Conflicted Tuesday


We have worked out an exclusive deal with the publishers of the survival card game “Conflicted” where we will be posting one question per week from the deck for open discussion here on

You can buy your own Conflicted Deck here and play it with your friends and family…

Okay here we go…

What event or series of events will lead to “the end of the world as we know it” in your opinion? And what would you do if you knew that, that end of the world as we know it, causing event was going to happen in only 30 days from today.

Looking forward to the discussion in the comments below…


  1. Encourager says:

    Now don’t mind me as I am super excited!!! Complete change of subject!!

    A few minutes ago, a female bluebird flew up to the window. She looked just like the picture of the ‘mad bluebird’. She was joined by another female and then a male. They are NOT happy we took down the houses!

    We have over 20″ of snow on the ground and it is 15 degrees! But spring must be just around the corner – why would they be back so early?? Also saw a huge flock of robins two weeks ago. Dozens and dozens of them!

    If I see or hear a Redwing Blackbird, I will be in heaven! Don’t care if we have 30 more inches of snow – when the bluebirds and blackbirds arrive, spring will be here in weeks! Whoooo-hoooo!!

    • Damn! Send those birds my way! I don’t think winter’s ever going to end this year. We were spoiled the last few winters, so we were bound to get hit.

    • I have had a flock of redwinged blackbirds at my feeder for a week or so. I have never seen so many at one time before. If they signal spring, they may stay! I do need to get them another bag of birdseed this week.

  2. I think the start of the mess will be a financial crisis and things will snowball from there.
    If I knew I had 30 days, I would stock up of fish antibiotics and vitamins/supplements, and as much as possible of water, food, ammo, and other things I usually work on stocking. The day mayhem breaks lose, I might try to get my hands on human antibiotics, etc. before the gangs take over the pharmacies.

  3. Wow… hmm… 30 days… start with the 45 second panic and run around silently screaming before getting down to work… realize that we will never leave The Rock again and know that we have been planning for it anyways.
    The very first thing to do would be to send The Great Lake back to Ontario to collect our belongings from storage. While he’s out there doing that and kissing my sister and her family in the big smoke goodbye, I would be…
    1. Everyone to the doctor. All prescriptions filled with as much of a repeat as I can get.
    2. Everyone to the dentist. All work done.
    3. Huge buy at Costco – rent a U-Haul and fill her up.
    4. Get 2nd well drilled
    5. Install green house.
    6. Get septic tank cleaned out.
    7. Get a load of topsoil brought in
    8. Get a load of fertilizer brought in
    9. Get the propane fireplaces pulled out and replaced with wood stoves.
    10. Remove the electric stove and replace with a wood cook stove – I dream of my own Princess!
    11. Close off the vaulted area in the kitchen, and use for storage.
    12. Install doors on stairs to 2nd floor bedrooms and to basement
    13. Turn the fancy living room into a bedroom
    14. Get as many cords of wood delivered as possible.
    15. Drain lines to all un-used bathrooms
    (As you might have guessed this was a fancy pants house on a golf course chosen by The Great Lake but completely impractical for life off grid. Ah well, his money, his choice, but with 30 days notice…)
    16. Road Island Red and Wyandotte chickens
    17. Tamworth pigs
    18. 3 unrelated Short Horned Milk cows, preferably covered, and an unrelated bull. (You can see what the golf course is about to become).
    19. Seeds
    20. Long guns and amo
    21. Animal feed – chickens, pigs, cattle, dog…
    22. Tin lizzie with oars (our lake and river are a major salmon run)
    Oh Lord the list is endless…
    23. Run through the Sally Ann and get every piece of clothing that isn’t nailed down and any additional items that might be of use
    24. Go to the fish processing plant and buy big and smoke
    25. Finish the smoke house
    Take a few minutes for a mental breakdown and then get back at it…
    26. Wash every piece of clothing owned, all linens
    27. Hang the heavy drapes downstairs – both for heat and privacy
    28. Dog to vet for shots and stock up on any veterinary meds we can get
    29. Go moose hunting – we have more moose than we know what to do with but they’ll vanish fast when the ferries stop running.
    30. Pray. Our Heavenly Father has a plan for each of us and it is our job to be prepared for it.

    • Lake Lili, I like how you think…very practical. I am new to prepping and, honestly, would be in for some difficult times if I had only 30 days from now. It makes sense to obtain some type of boarding and screws to protect windows if necessary.
      Thanks for the list. I will take from it what applies to my situation and get started. I like #30 Pray. Just like the Moravians did, I would get a 24 hour a day prayer vigil going.

      • Hi Mindful,
        Thanks for the compliment. I have been the voice in the wilderness in my family since before Y2K. You are quite right about boarding up windows and unused doors – slide some insulation in between, and vapor wrap before putting up the plywood on the outside and drywall on the inside. When ever possible use that mold resistant dry wall, just incase a window leaks. Alternately, you could take out the windows/doors and store for future usage and reframe the space and close it up. If I had longer, I would take out all the soon to be useless base board heaters. Replace some of the large windows with smaller ones. Stock lots of screening materials. These fancy houses have lots of French doors, or as I call them, invitations to the world. They need to be replaced… Really there is so much to do. Just take it a day at a time. No. 30 is really an everyday thing. If you have concerns about where to start, look for the 100 First Things to Disappear list. Its a great starting place.

    • Encourager says:

      Oh, the vet! I forgot! Heart worm pills for at least 3 years. Worming meds for cattle, pigs, dogs, cats. Flea meds for cats and dogs. Ear antibiotics for our dog who is prone. Whew. Add to my list!

    • Encourager says:

      Lake Lili, why do the moose vanish when the ferries stop running???

      • They become the principle source of food. The Province of Newfoundland produces only 5% of its food needs on the island. Everything comes over by ferry. They stop running and the food stops coming. Moose were introduced in the early 1900s to help supplement fish as a food source. There are about 115,000 moose on the island and there are few homes on the island where there is not a moose in the freezer each fall.

      • Encourager:

        You should be careful on your reply comments. I don’t always get all of the comments, so when I read yours…….

  4. Mother Earth says:

    Well if this info became available and my dh believed it, I think we would head for the hills. Will need some building supplies to fix up house down there and haul my stuff from down there too. Would like a smokehouse and greenhouse built and bulk up on some meds and get my military sons (they have arsenals) and the rest of the kids all down there. More soap making, sewing, canning supplies and extra clothing/shoes. A lot to think about!

  5. Pineslayer says:

    Go get my shoulder worked on, then to the dentist.
    Spend all my money on more beans, bullets, and band-aids.

  6. GoneWithTheWind says:

    I don’t think another great depression or economic collapse will be the end of the world as we know it. It will be tough but most of use would/will make it. The real threat has always nuclear war or on a much smaller scale a few nukes in large cities thanks to the terrorists. When the radical muslim terrorists get nukes (and they will) they will want to use them in large Western cities to do the most damage. I think they would prefer Tel Aviv but the Israelis are too careful so they probably cannot smuggle it in there. London or Paris would be easier for them and almost as satisfying. New York City would be a prize as would Chicago, Dallas and a dozen other American cities. Unless something changes radically in the next few years it will happen. Just like that morning we all watched the WTC come down on live TV we will sit and watch replays of the big mushroom cloud over NYC caught on 100 different cameras around the city.
    Much worse would be WW III with 2000-4000 nukes lobbed all over the U.S. from Russia (or China) with love. Unlikely you think! No. It’s always been inevitable, just a matter of when.
    What would I do with 30 days notice? Rent a backhoe and dig a large fallout shelter, build a stock pile of food and necessities at the shelter and a couple of caches of food and other supplies in more remote locations. But it may not matter. After the nukes start falling it will disrupt their navigation system and instead of falling on your nearest large city or military installation they will land in the backyard of your farm. Hmmmm, Maybe plan A should be a one way ticket to Australia…

  7. Schatzie Ohio says:

    Well, if only 30 days it would depend if that is in the winter or summer. In the winter it would be hard to find laying hens. We already have alot of what we need. But in thinking about this I would want to buy fencing that the husband doesn’t want right now and a 2 man cross cut saw, a scythe, more fire extinguishers, more propane, and more charcoal. Hens to fill the now empty chicken coop and a lot more feed for them. I really would like to get a new pump to replace the rusty old one that is in our front yard. Oh, I also would get chimney pipe and cleaning brush for the wood stove that is sitting in the basement. With enough time maybe even replace the house roof.

    • Schatzie Ohio says:

      I forgot, I would also go buy a couple of German Shepherd puppies because our current GSD is not so young any more.

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  9. patientmomma says:

    The Pack has come through with just about every angle available. I’ll throw my thoughts in, for what ever they are worth….
    DL is bent on destroying our country but he is too shifty to come right out and announce it so the zombies can understand it. Consider the next US natural disaster, whatever, where ever; (earthquake, hurricane, volcano). It would be the perfect “natural” event for DL to declare martial law, bank holiday, import foreign troops, etc. from which to spread from one region to the next region. Of course the state govts would declare emergencies to receive federal aid, so DL could send in his goons to take over and never let go. This philosophy would make it easier to get the sheeple to accept martial law with less resistance. The elitists have been using this little at a time philosophy for years; part of their master plan.

    Thanks for all the ideas Wolf Pack!

  10. I think a total meltdown of the US dollar, followed by WW3, because the US government wont let go of being the issuer of the worlds reserve currency. There will be a major breakdown in the inflow of goods from other countries, because we wont be able to afford it and because some of them will stop selling to us.

    Its all about money and power folks. Get ready.

  11. I truly think that this will go a little quicker than 30 days. I have made no secret with everyone here that I think that we are in the end times. This does not mean that it is the end of the world. But it does mean that we are in for a very hard time – especially for Christians. To me, this means that financial collapse with some nuke/emp combo is in the cards. Not sure which will come first.

    I apologize for always being the downer. I am trying to tell you what I have found so that you are aware because the ending works out so well if you know what is happening. I supposed that I could just state that I am prepping for an F5 tornado (already done that one). Believe me when I say this, an F5 is cake compared to what is before us.

    The powers that be have been working on this for a long time. They want, No NEED a financial and societal collapse to consolidate power to the New World Order. They also need to blame it on someone else (China and or Russia) to reach their goals and serve as a savior as we beg them to stop the chaos. They will gain total world domination over a much smaller population which is governed by the new babylon (UN). The lies that we are going to be told are going to be some of the most egregious lies in history to get what they want (as if they haven’t already told us some whoppers). The Pope and many other religious leaders are going to help keep the masses in line. They will get their chip ( and load it with the new one world currency and records so we can easily pay taxes to the one world government or donate to the one world religion. You know, because the old systems don’t work…

    Sounds depressing, no? Well, we know how it ends. And that part will be awesome. In the meantime, I am driving my wife insane on prepping and notifying her of the latest developments.

    The plan depends on the order of events. Financial collapse first is the best scenario as it will afford more time to accumulate items before everyone freaks out. Nukes first means that we’ll be indoors and shelter in place for at least a week and then bug out. EMP still scares me, and probably means that we’ll be stuck. I can only hope that they would do a lot of cage rattling before hand.

    I read a lot. First step is Daniel, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Matt, Luke, Rev. So it would not be a useful exercise to list every book I read about this subject but I mentioned above the End of America book. In it, it walks through the biblical references to what happens to the Daughter of Babylon. Four Blood Moons makes a case for the the timeline being this year for activity. It makes sense to me. But who knows, I am just paying extra attention starting April 15 (the 1st blood moon). Joel Richardson books (Islamic Anti-Christ) demonstrate in painful detail how the Biblical Anti-Christ matches up with the Islamic Maadi (they are almost and exact match). Anything by Joel Skousen, the Strategic Relocation book shows you all of the major target sites. Also, if you have the time, I recently watched the Fuel Project on you tube and it is a summary of the how’s and why’s of what is happening today and why it relates back to the beginning of time. There is no way to check every reference on that project but a lot of the items up to Babylon and after the French Revolution I knew pretty well and agree with and have checked before. I struggle with some of the Catholic conclusions they reached on Mary yet agree with the Jesuit history. If you like biblical history, it is really interesting. If not, it will be painful.

    One item of note that I am watching for and the time to pay attention is when the U.S. betrays Israel. That is the biblical deal killer for us.

    I know it sounds crazy. I would have never believed it if you told me 3 years ago it someone told me this stuff. I would have laughed. But here we are. I only have one motivation – I want me and my family and friends (including you) in the book of the living. Back to driving my wife and kids insane…

    As for those that laugh and dismiss this stuff immediately as conspiracy theory, I just caution you to not reject an idea because it sounds crazy. It is absolutely crazy talk. Please investigate for yourselves. It is all out there in plain sight.

  12. Beans-N-Bullets says:

    I agree with Alex, total melt down of the $ followed by WWIII this will thin the heard as the powers to be would like it. Or a virus could substitute but more money would/could be made from a war.
    If you had 30 days notice then so does the hardware/grocery/warehouse store and the prices would be unreal.
    The maxing out the credit cards would be a bad idea as M.D said you can still loose your home even if its paid off. (good link M.D thanks)
    This was a good question for ME today, not sure why but it really has me thinking about pulling some $ out of the bank. Liked a lot of the responses here today as well.
    Thank you to everyone

    • Agree. They will instantly know you’re a hoarder and you make yourself a hot target. Heck the black helos may even beat you back home. On the other hand, if they want your house (or anything else) they have many ways to come and get it anyway. They are already working on that after your IRA’s and 401Ks disappear into thin air. After all as their big mouthed buddy Father Pfleger said, that money really isn’t yours anyway. “401(k) accounts are inherent representations of white..R…ism. It’s not fair that some people have 401k’s to fund their retirements”

    • patientmomma says:

      I think many of us are near or at retirement age and have to deal with 401Ks, IRAs, etc. Unless you previously transferred your funds to a ROTH IRA and paid your taxes up front, you’ll be paying taxes on that money. Depending on your retirement fund, the banks will take out a minimum of 10% but IRS will tax you at your current tax rate. They are very aggressive about getting their share of your retirement savings. Plus, it takes some time, depending on your fund requirements and the company. Count on at least two to three weeks to get it transferred and in your pocket. Some places take up to 6 weeks. So start now!!

      • Definately agree with Patientmomma,
        If your money is invested with broker, or self invested thru investments firms, ie Schwab, Vanguard, ect, your funds will be deposited into your checking account, or you will receive a check by mail.
        If you think you can walk into your local bank and withdraw larger sums of YOUR money, say over $5,000.00, or cash that investment check, you’re misinformed. Banks actually have very little cash at any given time. Recall 2008, the long lines of depositors in Calif, attempting to withdraw part of their money in their accounts?
        FDIC deposit guarantee is a security blanket to depositors.
        Not beneficial during any disaster or sudden run on banks.
        Planning to cash out your investments or savings accounts, might consider starting slow, now. Checkout FINCIN report, online. Withdraw small amounts per month, multiple increments.

        • Lyn,
          I don’t have to cash out several hundred thousand in cash. Once it’s in the checking account I can write checks (or use my debit card) and make internal transfers to pay credit cards. Some of the CC purchases could be at the local coin shop for PM’s. There’s always a way around most things if you think out of the box.
          I could go in to the bank every day and withdraw whatever cash they will allow and accumulate it over time.

          • OhioPrepper
            Thank you for responding.
            As I read your response, I asked myself, why are you preparing now?
            You may wish to check out: CSPAN on TV, Department of Defense testifying to Congress the #1 Threat to America is Cyber Security effecting U.S. power grid, U.S. financial institutions and U.S. infrastructure.
            Don’t forget the increased attempts on the grid, exhibited within the past 12 months, including last week.
            When the grid goes down, it’s back to walking, horse and buggy, and what’s stored at home. No banks, no stores, no gasoline, no phones, no cars.
            Debit /credit card purchases leave paper trails for anyone and everyone to know what you have.
            Once this occurs, prepping changes to surviving.

            No sarcasm intended.
            Best of everything to you and your family during these
            periods of severe winter weather.

            • Lyn,
              My plan above might need to be changed if the event would be a complete grid down situation; however, if I knew what the event was 30 days in advance, even a grid down would allow time to perform the actions I described. The scenario states, “that, that end of the world as we know it, causing event was going to happen in only 30 days from today.”, seems to imply that I know what’s coming and when it’s coming.

              Keep in mind that there are actually 3 grids. One east of the Mississippi, one west, and Texas, which has its own grid, separate from the rest.

              Also, what happened last week? I think I may have missed something.

  13. I read some reports that were supposedly leaked that February 15 & 16 a training exercise here in the U. S. in regards to a hacking of the national banking system. ATM’s will temporarily be shut down?????????? Just a rumor guys BUT????

  14. If I knew for sure I had 30 days:
    Sell all stock and buy a M1A1 I found at a shop and all 308, 5.52, 12GA 00 Buck, & 762X39 ammo I could.
    Buy silver coins while price cheep
    Buy rice, beans, wheat and other food
    Buy stove able to burn both coal & wood to cook & heat
    Find old water well on property or dig new one
    Buy seeds & potato seed
    Buy solar panels
    Not in this order

    It’s pretty clear here, isn’t it, that Obama is making the Conservative Constitutionalists Patriots out to be viewed in the very same light that Hitler painted the Jews.of the 1930’s. Both of them being fascist dictators.

  16. ladyofthelake says:

    WOW! Does anyone have friends in the armed services; if so what are their thoughts on what is going on today in the world. I know several Lt. Colonel’s in the area retired they have moved out into the country. What do you think the military would do in a crisis situation? This would be might useful information.
    Now the question. Put the steel containers down in the ground at least 10 feet under soil. One for people and one for animals one for food etc and pray the ravine (back door) is not found.
    Why does the average person not get it??? Wish there was a way to get to know others of like mind in our area.

  17. I can hear George Noory now “Looks like it’s time to pray, folks. We have a series of class X solar flares headed right toward us less then a month from now. Time fo the prepper trio: God, garden, guns.

  18. Many folks are planning on maxing out credit cards and even taking out more credit to get everything they want without intending to pay it back. Please think this through! Isn’t this called stealing? Also, debts may not be forgiven and you could possibly face harsh punishments in the future for this. Have been reading of a return of a type of debtors prisons in some places.

  19. I agree with those that say don’t max your cards out. There were people that bought really expensive generators for Y2K and lost money when they returned them after January 1,2000. The companies charged a restocking fee. Y2K was suppose to be like a lions Roar, but was actually a mouse squeak.

    Also going all in on gold or silver is not good, since you can’t eat it. In fact before Y2K I watched a guy try to buy out a coin store of all of its silver dollars and rounds with a check. I am not sure the place accepted it, since I left before transaction was completed.

    Concerning the cause of the collapse does not matter. Whatever it is “The powers That Be ” will not be of help and will cause thing to be worse than it needs to be especially if it was a Major disaster. So the best thing is just to be ready for the small stuff like loosing your job. If you can live on your preps until you get a new job, which could take months will make life easier. If something Major does happen you will still be as ready as you can be.

    In closing I would like to pass on this wisdom
    ” If the SHTF happens keep your head down your ass covered and your powder dry. When you shoot aim true and if all else fails keep You and Your blade sharp. And Pray that it Never happens.

  20. Tactical G-Ma says:

    The question was 30 days til TEOTWAWKI. I say take out any unsecured debt that you can. If the courts are working well enough to attach your property, then they will be working well enough for you to declare bankruptcy! I know we have been programmed to pay our bills…if there is a major event, if companies can’t recover major loans, and there are no public servants available to assist in serving and processing, do you realy think $50,000. credit card debt is going to be acted on?

    • Tactical G-Ma,
      Why go to the bother of getting unsecured debt when you can use your guns to simply take anything you need. If you think this would be wrong, then I’d like you to tell me how this is different than planning to default on unsecured debt. In one case it’s robbery, and in the other case conspiracy for theft. In any case it’s taking something that doesn’t belong to you with no real intention of paying it back.

      • Tactical G-Ma says:

        I guess I didn’t think that thru that well. But if I can’t get my money out of the bank and the government will no longer be sending our social security and the companies we retired from can no longer send our retirement pay which by the way is direct depositted, isn’t it safer to use plastic now than guns later? I’m not talking about a SHTF situation but a true End-of-the-world-as we know-it event.

        • I have to agree. It’s one thing to steal from your neighbor, quite another to steal from a company that basically does what it wants with your private information, makes BILLIONS in profits on the backs of working people and is heartless when it comes to getting it’s payments. They’re stealing from us now. Time to turn the tables…

          • Survivor,
            You state, “They’re stealing from us now. Time to turn the tables”. Which company is doing this? Why is stealing from them any different than stealing from your neighbors? We either have principles, ethics, and morals, or we don’t. Taking anything from anyone is theft, no matter how the person you steal from came by their wealth. Perhaps one can justify it in their own mind; but, that simply makes them no better than the entity they’re stealing from.
            BTW, I own stocks of companies in my IRA and some of their profits become my profits. If I borrow something from you, be it a tool, cash, or a cup of sugar, should you not expect it back, perhaps with interest, simply because I’ve decided you somehow have harmed me or don’t deserve it.
            One of the most troubling things I’ve been seeing about the scenarios in Conflicted Tuesday is how those whom I expect to be hard working, self reliant moral and ethical people, all seem to have a selfish darker side. Maybe time for each of us to take a long hard look in the mirror.

            • Ohioprepper,
              That is one of the points to this “game” . It lets you see what those you thing you know are really instead of what they appear to be . The other is to prepare you with the pre-thought out plan mentally for this or that situation.
              I don’t go into debt as a rule and haven’t except for a small loan for a used vehicle in needed in over 25 years. It is true I don’t have all the toys some people have but I have a good name in the community . I have been surprised by the number of people on here who would defraud others by going into debt that they did not plan to payback. It is not a matter of what our governments laws are but what my lord and God law is. If it is wrong to do it now it would be wrong to do it with a 30 day teotwawki notice.

            • I can’t argue with you concerning this being theft. It point blank is, but let’s list it all. I’m also planning on selling my military pension, which I know will be worthless in 30 days. So, I’d be stealing from JG Wentworth, as well.

              During this time period of post-SHTF I believe it will be near total collapse. I believe there will be civil unrest. I don’t believe these companies will be around to collect.

              A few countries have been toying with the idea of not using US currency in international oil trading. I believe that’s the real reason we invaded Iraq, Saddam was wiling to take other currency for his black market oil. Mr Bush couldn’t let that happen so went to war on trumped up charges. When our currency is no longer the world currency of choice we will experience hyperinflation on our debt like nobody’s business. The interest alone couldn’t be paid on credit cards no matter how we try to pay them off. So, whether intentional or not, the credit card company gets it in the shorts. Remember Carter and inflation in the 70’s? 26% or better interest rates….

              What I can argue with is the ‘selfish darker side’ label. As I listed below in my other post, I’d get building materials, work clothes, bullets and lots of sugar. These will be used to help people other than ourselves…Darker? Maybe. Selfish? Nawww

              You have my utmost respect, sir, if you’re able to pull off surviving without having to break some kind of law.

        • Tactical G-Ma,
          Maxing out your credit card and not being able to pay it back because the banks or government has frozen your legally acquired assets is one thing; however, planning up front on not paying it back is yet another, since you stated in part, “then they will be working well enough for you to declare bankruptcy” seems to imply that you’re planning on either not paying it back or going bankrupt, which is ethically no different.

  21. honestly,i would preform tasks as fast as possible.i would spend life savings on food and bottled water,sandbags for fortification,and living quarters. how the 1950’s dealt with nuclear radiation is that if you didn’t have a bunker, you down a floor and sandbag the floor above the room entirely. this room must be a room with no windows. once top floor is sandbagged you take materials and make a 90 degree angle leading to the living quarters, out of the thickest material you can find. you have a quick fallout shelter in a day! shelter in place and hope for best!

  22. 30 days…I think it will be a financial meltdown. I would also think that if I knew there were thirty days before SHTF so does a lot of other people. Maybe just like minded folks, because the believers of the TDL won’t understand what’s happening to them until their EBT card quits working. So, there may be a quiet run on food and sporting goods.

    I would apply for as many credit cards and accounts as I could. I’d sell my military pension to JG Wentworth for as much as he’d give me. I’d go on a shopping spree.

    I’d max out cards and accounts buying building supplies, sturdy clothes, gloves and boots. I’d buy every bullet I could find, regardless of caliber. I’d get medical supplies and sugar…lots of sugar.

  23. Tactical G-Ma says:

    OP, I am a practicing Christian. I have never stolen anything greater than a government issue ball point pen. I have only been late on a payment of ANYTHING once in my life. I have never written a bad check. I respect others. But I know that I will have to do some things that I am on the line with so that my family (and extended family) can survive if the Yellowstone super caldera blows or something as devastating. Thanks Survivor for clarifying what I was trying to say.

    • Tactical G-Ma,
      If you are a practicing Christian and know in advance that you are willing to cross over the line in some situations, then perhaps it is time to reevaluate your life and your faith. Flexible morals and ethics are what a politician may have, but principals should always be firm and unbending. You say you’ve never stolen ANYTHING, but you response, given the right situation is to steal, but only from large evil corporations; which BTW employ people and allow them to provide for themselves. Situational ethics seems to be a large problem in our society, and IMO one of the reasons we’re headed into the dustbin of history.

      • Tactical G-Ma says:

        OP, You make some very good points. I threw in the bankruptcy thing because someone said a creditor could take ones property. Which I think would not happen in a country where there is a total collapse.
        When I joined the military I took a psych eval exam and there were questions asked that troubled me. One was could I shoot someone with intent to kill. I said yes but prayed about it and finally went to my father whom I believe to be one of the most Holy people I have ever met. He assured me I would be able to do so. It seems contrary to some denominations teachings. We have had the luxury of living in the United States because people were willing to kill, steal, lie, and whatever else it took to sustain freedom. This is a hypothetical question, in truth I haven’t a clue how I would act if forewarned of impending doom. But I hope it would be whatever it takes to help my community, my family, survive.

        • Tactical G-Ma,
          Killing another human being is by definition homicide; but, I think most people see a distinct difference between murder and self defense. I teach firearms classes and the attorneys that teach the legal section discuss this at length. Use of lethal force for self defense in most cases requires that you are in immanent fear of death or severe bodily harm, and even in that case you only use enough force to stop the threat. One never “shoots to kill”; however, if death is the outcome as a result of stopping the threat, then generally one is legally and I believe morally in the clear.
          Even theft has its grey edges, since in biblical times, there was a legal practice known as gleaning. If you were truly hungry, it was legal to come into my field or orchard and eat some of my crop without fear of prosecution; however, if you leave the premises with as much as a grain of corn or a fig in your pocket, then it was punishable as theft.
          Getting in debt and going bankrupt is a bad situation generally involving either poor planning, or tragedy, such as high medical bills or destruction of your home, car etc., by natural causes, and is an unfortunate thing for the debtors. If however, you plan on bankruptcy and default ahead of time, then this is conspiracy to commit theft at a minimum, and is IMO not only legally, morally, and ethically wrong.
          Often the difference comes down to intent.

          • Tactical G-Ma says:

            OP, I have been respectful of your comments while you have made it clear what you think of my views. I am very okay with my beliefs and what I have done or might do. I wish you nothing but the best.

            • This conversation between G-Ma and OP (and others) has been very interesting to follow. It kind of reminds me of the old tale of the 3 blind men asked to describe an elephant after touching it once. The fellow touching the trunk said it was like a snake, the guy touching the leg said it was like a large tree, and the guy touching the elephants body said it was like a barrel. All were right but each held a different vision of the elephant!.

              As I have read the posts it seems that there is a wide difference in peoples view of what teotwawki will be like ………. and that difference in opinion drives each of us to approach an uncertain future from different perspectives. I happen to believe that such an event will result in chaos of unprecedented proportions so I am planning for my family and group to be totally independent and self sustaining. But, not everyone appears to have a view of teotwawki similar to mine. That’s okay with me as I don’t pass judgment on their comments. There’s no right or wrong ………. only a personalized fear of the unknown and our own beliefs that motivate us to be Preppers.

              • Big Bear:

                Our plans and understanding seem to be similar, although I do put away a few “cheap” things for barter later on. I just don’t plan on that happening for a couple of years.

                I’m one of those “worst case: people, it’s what works for me. Things are never as bad as I plan for and that’s good. For me and others. Just means I’ll have more res courses left over than I planned. And if nothing happens it will give the children and grand children something to complain about – “What are we going to do with all this #%^&*%$^&* that Grampa left us with.

                • Yep, we do seem to be in step for a lot of things…… suppose it’s that excellent Montana air that makes is so smart! 🙂

                  Those of us that live in places that tend to cull the weak from the herd are used to being prepared. If we don’t use the stuff we’ve put away what a great garage sale it’ll all make.

              • Bam Bam,
                My point has little to do with anyones view of what teotwawki will be like; but, how one will handle preparation for it. If those preparations involve the pre-plannd stealing or cheating someone out of money, goods, or services, then it IMO shows that character of the person or group, and I don’t see them much differently than an armed group of raiders. It’s easy to have principles, morals, and ethics in good times. The real key to character is how we behave in the bad times.

            • Tactical G-Ma,
              I don’t mean my comments to be disrespectful and if you read my post directly above I think you’ll see that in areas like haveing to kill in self defense is something we would agree on.

              • Tactical G-Ma says:

                OP,This has been a good dialogue even though I winced once or twice. And you certainly made some very good points. We each have to make some tough decisions in days to come. There will be renegades, thieves, and pirates if a major event occurs. We have them now. I pray that I make the right decisions. I did not mean to leave the impression that I would steal or hoard food and supplies. I will be judged by God for my short comings and not in this blog.

      • OP, let’s give you a Conflicted Friday event….

        A person approaches your domicile and proves to you beyond a shadow of any doubt he is a representative of the current government, regardless of its current state of governing. The person tells you a bum they rounded up had told the authorities that Mr OP, and a bunch of other folks, had food and guns hoarded. He goes on to say that a fine upstanding person such as yourself would never do anything like that. The sentence would be harsh and swift what with the Constitution being suspended and all. Additionally, the person says they just had to come out and cross the i’s and dot the t’s and they turn to leave.
        Now, do you
        A. Say, “wait officer, the bum was right. I have food and guns. Here ya go.”
        B. Give them some rice, an old .22 rifle and a handful of green .22 shorts.
        C. Tell them you ain’t got nothing and if they did would they share.
        D. Other – please explain.

        • Survivor,
          This one is easy and the answer is D, based primarily on one item in your scenario, where you stated, “what with the Constitution being suspended and all”. That constitution is the only thing that creates and holds together a legitimate government. When those in power, because of their constitutional authority, suspend the constitution, then IMO they suspend any and all authority granted to them by that document. Saying you represent the current government in this case is not something I would be concerned with; because they are by definition merely thugs, with no authority other than the possible threat of violence.
          In short, one does not suspend the mechanism that grants you authority, and then try to exercise that authority over others.

          • Encourager says:

            +10 OP.

            What type of government is this so called “representative of the current government” representing if the constitution has been abandoned? A bunch of bullies that want everything under their control or a dictator who wants the same. If the constitution of the United States of America is gone, there is no United States of America.

            • You can call them thugs, bullies, dictators, political officers, US Marshals, state and local police… call them what you will. During the troubles we will most definitely be under martial law. Martial law was declared in New Orleans after Katrina and the LNG rounded up weapons, enforced a curfew and locked down the city. These are the guys that have approached you. Doubting their authority won’t stop them from kicking in your door, taking everything you have and leaving you to starve defenseless….

  24. grandma bear says:

    If you are waiting for the 30 day signal I think it may be too late. Yes you may be able to pick up a few things but I really think if you have access to this info so does the majority. If I have not already put my plan into play this info may be a mute point. I think a better plan is to not put off to tomorrow what you can do today. If you are going to tap that 401k or IRA in the future to do what you think may be important, If this plan has merit why are you waiting? I would think the peace of mind knowing you are already prepared would be worth any penality you may incure. Just a thought!