Comments on: Bugging Out With Children http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/2010/01/advice-on-bugging-out-with-children.html Live better, Live Cheaper and Survive When Things Get Tough. Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:36:27 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=4650 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/2010/01/advice-on-bugging-out-with-children.html/comment-page-1#comment-1047 Anonymous Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:43:27 +0000 http://www.brewco.org/wordpress/?p=1043#comment-1047 I've organized my gear into tubs for longer term bug out that can be thrown in the bed of my truck, and the kids wife and short term bags go in her minivan. In a GOOD scenario my blue heeler/rotwieller mix will ride in back of the truck to help protect the gear and ward off bandits. Comms are two hand held GMRS/FRS radios and CB radios installed in each vehicle. In the event that a vehicular escape is not possible, I, my wife and son have mountain bikes, with two pull behind bike trailers, one for our daughters that are too small to ride a bike, and a second that can haul gear. I have trained my compact but strong dog to pull a mountain bike. He can pull not just me, but the trailer with my two girls several miles. He's capable of a top speed of 15 mph for a mile or better under load in the summer before he gets too hot. I say too hot because when i take him out for a ride, once he rolls in a ditch full of water he's good until he drys out. I'm getting him a pack that I plan on filling with water bottled to help keep him cool. In cold weather he has unlimited stamina. I've organized my gear into tubs for longer term bug out that can be thrown in the bed of my truck, and the kids wife and short term bags go in her minivan. In a GOOD scenario my blue heeler/rotwieller mix will ride in back of the truck to help protect the gear and ward off bandits. Comms are two hand held GMRS/FRS radios and CB radios installed in each vehicle. In the event that a vehicular escape is not possible, I, my wife and son have mountain bikes, with two pull behind bike trailers, one for our daughters that are too small to ride a bike, and a second that can haul gear. I have trained my compact but strong dog to pull a mountain bike. He can pull not just me, but the trailer with my two girls several miles. He's capable of a top speed of 15 mph for a mile or better under load in the summer before he gets too hot. I say too hot because when i take him out for a ride, once he rolls in a ditch full of water he's good until he drys out. I'm getting him a pack that I plan on filling with water bottled to help keep him cool. In cold weather he has unlimited stamina.

]]> By: OLD SCHOOL http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/2010/01/advice-on-bugging-out-with-children.html/comment-page-1#comment-1046 OLD SCHOOL Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:04:26 +0000 http://www.brewco.org/wordpress/?p=1043#comment-1046 Thank you All, Thanks M.D., I have gotten very good ideas to past on. Again, I wish to Thank all of you...<br /><br />PREPARE FOR THE WORST AND PRAY FOR THE BEST Thank you All, Thanks M.D., I have gotten very good ideas to past on. Again, I wish to Thank all of you…

PREPARE FOR THE WORST AND PRAY FOR THE BEST

]]> By: vlad http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/2010/01/advice-on-bugging-out-with-children.html/comment-page-1#comment-1045 vlad Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:21:41 +0000 http://www.brewco.org/wordpress/?p=1043#comment-1045 re CCI 22 CB Longs<br /> Survival Guns by Mel Tappan<br /> page 177 quote " In a barrel of 22" or longer the CB cap is almost totally silent. At a distance of 8 feet from the muzzle of my 24" Anschutz, the sound level from firing was only 9 db, and at 15 feet was totally inaudible. Not only does this lack of noise make the CCI long CB caps desireable for indoor or backyard target practice, it makes them virtually a necessity for survival use should you ever need to do some shooting without attracting attention or alarming game in the neighborhood." unquote<br />Remington CB 33 gr @ 740 fps = 40 ft lb<br />Remington subsonic 22LR 38 gr @ 1050 = 93 ft lb, is very little louder than the CB. From Marlin model 25 22LR rifle I put 3 Remington subsonics in 3/4 inch group at 50 yards.<br />http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/66774-5.html <br /><br /> Tossing Rocks - shooting subsonic 22<br />http://www.jesseshunting.com/articles/guns/category16/66.html re CCI 22 CB Longs
Survival Guns by Mel Tappan
page 177 quote " In a barrel of 22" or longer the CB cap is almost totally silent. At a distance of 8 feet from the muzzle of my 24" Anschutz, the sound level from firing was only 9 db, and at 15 feet was totally inaudible. Not only does this lack of noise make the CCI long CB caps desireable for indoor or backyard target practice, it makes them virtually a necessity for survival use should you ever need to do some shooting without attracting attention or alarming game in the neighborhood." unquote
Remington CB 33 gr @ 740 fps = 40 ft lb
Remington subsonic 22LR 38 gr @ 1050 = 93 ft lb, is very little louder than the CB. From Marlin model 25 22LR rifle I put 3 Remington subsonics in 3/4 inch group at 50 yards.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/66774-5.html

Tossing Rocks – shooting subsonic 22
http://www.jesseshunting.com/articles/guns/category16/66.html

]]> By: Andrea http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/2010/01/advice-on-bugging-out-with-children.html/comment-page-1#comment-1044 Andrea Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:37:22 +0000 http://www.brewco.org/wordpress/?p=1043#comment-1044 My children are 3 and 5, kinda young to be carrying heavy packs, so we built our BOB in a rolling suitcase. There's changes of clothing for 4, medical necessities, food, wool blankets etc. Plus 2 favorite blankets, a lovey and their favorite bedtime CD. I figure keeping them happy and quiet is worth the little bit of room that comfort items require. My children are 3 and 5, kinda young to be carrying heavy packs, so we built our BOB in a rolling suitcase. There's changes of clothing for 4, medical necessities, food, wool blankets etc. Plus 2 favorite blankets, a lovey and their favorite bedtime CD. I figure keeping them happy and quiet is worth the little bit of room that comfort items require.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/2010/01/advice-on-bugging-out-with-children.html/comment-page-1#comment-1043 Anonymous Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:53:28 +0000 http://www.brewco.org/wordpress/?p=1043#comment-1043 Living in a hurricane zone, we've had to bug out with our now thirteen year old daughter five times, and bug "in" - live in our house with all the windows covered with plywood, with no electricity except for a 5hp generator, for a week. Believe me, bugging in was worse than bugging out. It's like living in a cave, all your biorythms go out of whack, and it's quite depressing.<br /><br />Only things I can add are kids like things to STAY THE SAME - our daughter's favorite teddy bear and "blankie" were as important as any other items on our bug-out list, and kids LIKE TO HELP - they really need to feel useful when an emergency happens. Make jobs for them - it makes them feel like they are helping things get better. Even at age 3 or 4 my daughter was a great help cleaning up the debris on our property after a near-miss by a hurricane - and VERY proud she was helping Daddy. Living in a hurricane zone, we've had to bug out with our now thirteen year old daughter five times, and bug "in" – live in our house with all the windows covered with plywood, with no electricity except for a 5hp generator, for a week. Believe me, bugging in was worse than bugging out. It's like living in a cave, all your biorythms go out of whack, and it's quite depressing.

Only things I can add are kids like things to STAY THE SAME – our daughter's favorite teddy bear and "blankie" were as important as any other items on our bug-out list, and kids LIKE TO HELP – they really need to feel useful when an emergency happens. Make jobs for them – it makes them feel like they are helping things get better. Even at age 3 or 4 my daughter was a great help cleaning up the debris on our property after a near-miss by a hurricane – and VERY proud she was helping Daddy.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/2010/01/advice-on-bugging-out-with-children.html/comment-page-1#comment-1042 Anonymous Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:59:58 +0000 http://www.brewco.org/wordpress/?p=1043#comment-1042 lots of great stuff here folksyou all gave me things to consider lots of great stuff here folksyou all gave me things to consider

]]> By: Angela http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/2010/01/advice-on-bugging-out-with-children.html/comment-page-1#comment-1041 Angela Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:45:18 +0000 http://www.brewco.org/wordpress/?p=1043#comment-1041 We've put together emergency packs for our kids (ages 5-10). Did a <a href="http://selfrelianceadventures.blogspot.com/2009/10/kids-72-hour-emergency-kits.html" rel="nofollow">post on it here.</a> They know what is in them and what they are for. I hope to never have to use them. I also believe in taking the kids camping, shooting, hiking, etc. and taking every opportunity to teach them outdoor/survival skills. Then bugging out can be like a special camping trip instead of something very unfamiliar to them. We've put together emergency packs for our kids (ages 5-10). Did a post on it here. They know what is in them and what they are for. I hope to never have to use them. I also believe in taking the kids camping, shooting, hiking, etc. and taking every opportunity to teach them outdoor/survival skills. Then bugging out can be like a special camping trip instead of something very unfamiliar to them.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/2010/01/advice-on-bugging-out-with-children.html/comment-page-1#comment-1040 Anonymous Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:44:42 +0000 http://www.brewco.org/wordpress/?p=1043#comment-1040 I'm afraid I don't have much to add. I have thought of my situation in a SHTF scenario. I have a wife, six children, and I live in Alaska. No way we're bugging out in the winter, -50 temperatures kill quick. While we are getting set up to bug out if we are forced to, the lack of population density, the cold, and the logistics involved in getting 8 people OOD in a SHTF scenario (kids are 2-11) is daunting, to say the least. We are prepping to stay put for now, and building a bug out plan as we go.<br /><br />We have several isolated "fishing spots" we can get to without too much trouble, places that are familiar to the kids. This would help, IMO.<br /><br />All in all though, unless situation dictates otherwise, we stay put. A good strategy is to build a community with other families, along with a plan to band together in bad times. I'm afraid I don't have much to add. I have thought of my situation in a SHTF scenario. I have a wife, six children, and I live in Alaska. No way we're bugging out in the winter, -50 temperatures kill quick. While we are getting set up to bug out if we are forced to, the lack of population density, the cold, and the logistics involved in getting 8 people OOD in a SHTF scenario (kids are 2-11) is daunting, to say the least. We are prepping to stay put for now, and building a bug out plan as we go.

We have several isolated "fishing spots" we can get to without too much trouble, places that are familiar to the kids. This would help, IMO.

All in all though, unless situation dictates otherwise, we stay put. A good strategy is to build a community with other families, along with a plan to band together in bad times.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/2010/01/advice-on-bugging-out-with-children.html/comment-page-1#comment-1039 Anonymous Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:47:28 +0000 http://www.brewco.org/wordpress/?p=1043#comment-1039 Anon6.29 is asking a really good question, IMO- since I'm not only a pet lover, but have several. And I have given a bit of thought to what happens with them when TSHTF... and have come to no optimal conclusion other than they can carry their own 'gear' (food) in saddle packs made just for them. Cats can pretty much feed themselves from the local wildlife, but dogs... well, they're kind of 'here and there' since so many have been trained to 'point out' the game rather than attack and eat it. (Not to mention they're trained to drop it at our feet on command. I'm not absolutely certain a starving Dobe will do that! LOL)<br />Also in the animal's favor is their natural abilities- such as going without food and water without complaint. Animals, being animals, don't look at things the way we people do, and hunger, even to a house dog, is just something it has to contend with, not complain about. They may salivate all over our C-rats, but probably won't take them out of your hand.<br />'Scuse me, I digress from topic. (Must be thinkin' this' my blog- sorry, MD :) )<br />Indians used dogs to pull travois and sleds- in this cold north country, many still do dog sledding- and those are practical ways for a dog to 'earn' its keep. Or a team of them. <br />Being wonderful as a first alarm system, there is tremendous value in having a dog or two, as well as being another excellent defender of family. <br />Yet so many dogs are going to find themselves without homes, being killed for food, joining wild packs and becoming hunters of the very people who 'loved' them. (I have read recent articles about people already turning their pets out because they can't afford to feed them- which causes me to woder how well their children are eating as well. If you're not responsible enough to csare for a pet...)<br />In short, if you have a pet- dog especially- look at it closely: decide what it is capable of doing to help itself, to help you. (Rather than being a foot warmer.)<br />Larger animals, such as mules, horses, llamas, even cows and goats, sheep- all can be reliably used to carry loads and can fend for themselves with grasses. The question then arises: how long will it be before you have to defend that very animal against a hungry horde? <br />Questions... questions... questions...is there no end to the questions? <br />Shy III Anon6.29 is asking a really good question, IMO- since I'm not only a pet lover, but have several. And I have given a bit of thought to what happens with them when TSHTF… and have come to no optimal conclusion other than they can carry their own 'gear' (food) in saddle packs made just for them. Cats can pretty much feed themselves from the local wildlife, but dogs… well, they're kind of 'here and there' since so many have been trained to 'point out' the game rather than attack and eat it. (Not to mention they're trained to drop it at our feet on command. I'm not absolutely certain a starving Dobe will do that! LOL)
Also in the animal's favor is their natural abilities- such as going without food and water without complaint. Animals, being animals, don't look at things the way we people do, and hunger, even to a house dog, is just something it has to contend with, not complain about. They may salivate all over our C-rats, but probably won't take them out of your hand.
'Scuse me, I digress from topic. (Must be thinkin' this' my blog- sorry, MD :) )
Indians used dogs to pull travois and sleds- in this cold north country, many still do dog sledding- and those are practical ways for a dog to 'earn' its keep. Or a team of them.
Being wonderful as a first alarm system, there is tremendous value in having a dog or two, as well as being another excellent defender of family.
Yet so many dogs are going to find themselves without homes, being killed for food, joining wild packs and becoming hunters of the very people who 'loved' them. (I have read recent articles about people already turning their pets out because they can't afford to feed them- which causes me to woder how well their children are eating as well. If you're not responsible enough to csare for a pet…)
In short, if you have a pet- dog especially- look at it closely: decide what it is capable of doing to help itself, to help you. (Rather than being a foot warmer.)
Larger animals, such as mules, horses, llamas, even cows and goats, sheep- all can be reliably used to carry loads and can fend for themselves with grasses. The question then arises: how long will it be before you have to defend that very animal against a hungry horde?
Questions… questions… questions…is there no end to the questions?
Shy III

]]> By: llew http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/2010/01/advice-on-bugging-out-with-children.html/comment-page-1#comment-1038 llew Fri, 29 Jan 2010 03:44:44 +0000 http://www.brewco.org/wordpress/?p=1043#comment-1038 anon 11:11 am<br />"Of course the Uplander couldn't tow the trailer far, but the hub and I have meet-up places set up, and he'd hook it to the truck from there."<br />Why won't the Uplander tow the trailer far? if it will handle the tongue weight it should tow till you run out of gas. I used to tow a 30' trailer with a 3/4 ton pu with an automatic trans. Many times I was warned my truck was too light for that or a C6 [trans]won't stand the strain. If you simply drive carefully, slow starts and trailer brakes should handle most driving needs. note; pu was retired at 500,000 for one with more cab room, and advise on towing from those who assume only biggest need apply for any job is suspect. anon 11:11 am
"Of course the Uplander couldn't tow the trailer far, but the hub and I have meet-up places set up, and he'd hook it to the truck from there."
Why won't the Uplander tow the trailer far? if it will handle the tongue weight it should tow till you run out of gas. I used to tow a 30' trailer with a 3/4 ton pu with an automatic trans. Many times I was warned my truck was too light for that or a C6 [trans]won't stand the strain. If you simply drive carefully, slow starts and trailer brakes should handle most driving needs. note; pu was retired at 500,000 for one with more cab room, and advise on towing from those who assume only biggest need apply for any job is suspect.

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