.22 Rifles for home Defense?

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  1. Good comments. He gives you the facts as he determined them, used common ammunition, and lets the view decide.

    (I’m a little mean so I’d probably go with the Stingers…)

    • Morning MD and JP

      While I will not totally disagree with the video, I feel that a 22 is best used in the squirrel woods. A 22 would be better than nothing against most threats. I have seen a PCP crazed perp take 7 shots of 40 s&w to the chest and still not go down. Don’t even think of shooting a black bear hellbent on breaking into your house because he smells food with a 22. I have always been of the mindset hope for the best but prepare for the worst. I dearly love all of my 22 rifles and handguns, just not for mainline defense. I guess it Comes from decades of shooting Uncle Sam’s biggest and best toys.

      By the way, where can you find stingers now.??? All of the online sights list them as out of stock.

      Best to you guys and the whole pack from the WNC mountains.

      OKG55 OUT

      • Okg55,

        Good morning / evening now… I hope that you are doing well.

        • Not bad for an old fat guy..lol. Actually MD this has been the best week of prepping ever. My DW is on board big time, after reading One Second After and One Year After. of course her being raised in the vicinity of the location so accurately depicted in the novels helped a bunch.

          We reopened our sam’s club membership and she was all over that store like her drawers were on fire. I have not seen her like that since her first trip to the commissary at Ft Benning 45 yrs ago. I was impressed with her prepper minded purchases. I have been prepping for years, guns, ammo, fuel, and big stuff. She just ignored me. Its a different story now.

          Hope you and the rest of the pack are well also. Prayers for everyone. Don’t forget our servicemen and women in your prayers.

          OKG55. OUT

          • Okg55,

            That’s great – having your wife / husband and family is very important. I’m so glad that you’ve had that.

            • MD

              Thanks for the reply. I am a very blessed man to have had a loving wife and to have raised 2 successful Christian children. All is well in the mountains..today anyway..

              OKG55. OUT

          • Curley Bull says:

            OKG55 you are blessed to have a wife like that!! Hang on to her and be her blessing as she has been your blessing!

      • JP in MT says:

        OKG55:

        Actually, I found Stingers at Wal-Mart today….

      • Every once in awhile, I find Stingers at Sportsmans Warehouse, or Bi-Mart.

        • Chuck Findlay says:

          Stingers are easy to find, I go downstairs and open the cabinet and there are a few K of them right in front of me.

          But I don’t know that I would want to use Stingers on a bad guy. Stingers are fast (for a 22 lr) and hollow point ammo. Their intended job is to transfer energy into a small animal without over penetration. If a bullet passes through an animal (makes an exit hole and keeps going) it is not using all it’s energy on the target. Hollow point 22’s are made to transfer more energy to the small game giving a better kill.

          But with people the body is bigger and a Stinger (any small-game hollow point bullet) can easily expend all it’s energy before it gets in deep enough to hit a vital part of the body. Solid 22 ammo is best for shooting people. Add a winter coat and a glancing shot and you get even less penetration.

          I’m sure a Stinger would hurt like heck and may even kill (at some point) but a solid bullet will do more damage where it counts.

          What I do with my High Standard revolver is to alternate 36 grain hollow points with 42 grain solid points. I use the revolver for pest control / stray dog use, not for things that go bump in the night. For that I use a 357 Mag revolver and rifle.

          • JP in MT says:

            Chuck:

            Most all of my 22’s prefer 40 gr bullets. I have Velocitors (CCI’s hyper velocity 40 gr HP’s) and Winchester 40 gr (now 42) Power Points. I don’t know how they would work on larger things like big dog’s and people, but I know how they work on small to medium game – devastating!

            • Chuck Findlay says:

              As an unrelated story I have a 17 Remington handgun, it’s a 15-inch barrel and fires a 25 grain bullet at 3,510 feet per second.

              It will go through 1/4-inch steel plate at 100-yards like it was made of butter. But it will not go through a rabbit at 20-yards.

              Tells you how well hollow point ammo works.

              It’s one hollow point I would not be afraid of not doing a job on a person, but it has a lot of speed on it’s side.

              Shoot a metal paint can full of water and it will send the lid 40-feet into the air and rip the can open enough to put your fist through the hole / rip in the can.

  2. I’ve always enjoyed my 10/22. it’s quite accurate, for a plinker. That said, I prefer my Mini-14 for home defense, because I was blessed to find one at a reasonable price. Our County Sherrif’s dept. sold theirs to a friend who owned a gun shop, and I was fortunate to snatch one. Terrific vid! I’ve lost count how many squirrels and bunnies I’ve harvested.

  3. Son of Liberty says:

    An elderly friend (woman) wants to be able to protect herself (she lives alone) but is unable to physically manipulate the slide on a high powered auto loader handgun – even with the ‘Handi Racker’. She has tried a .38 Special revolver, but is financially unable to purchase one. That said, a .22 auto loader does work for her. It may be there are a number of other elderly or disabled persons could use one for self defense when “push comes to shove”.

    This is certainly a valid consideration for a number of persons who might fall into the above category.

    Blessings,

    Son of Liberty

    • West of the Big Chicken says:

      They say and I agree, “No Man is more afraid of a woman than a Woman with a Gun.”

  4. If everyone remembers Bobby Kennedy was killed with a 22. I’m a small woman but have a Remington Viper with a scope and use it for protection on my small ranch. When the coyotes come on my place or even the wild dogs that is what Iuse. Now I always carry my 357 pistol. Car, truck,grocery,beauty shop. I use my 22 more then anything. I have problems with preditors attempting to get my live stock. Four years ago a young Fl. Panther attacked one of my mares. She’s okay and the panther got the worst of it. If there is a bigger preditor around then my husbands rifles will take are of the problem. 22 are a good basic rifle for a small person like me.

  5. Thomas The Tinker says:

    The fella has done a video on something that works…. right?!!

    If a 22 is what you have …. It will work! tThats all he is showing us. Shot placement is always the issue… right!!! Ergo the jokes with the 44 and his boot.
    I’m going to try this 22 thing on a coconut and see what results I get. What ever happens, I’d hate to have any sized wound in my liver, lung, spleen, kidney(s), heart or guts. Certainly not with bone or lead fragments floating around in the soup.

    I liked it MD………..

    • Thomas The Tinker,

      Thank you sir – I thought that it was a well thought out video too.

      • Chuck Findlay says:

        Yea a good video, I laughed when he went up and Ninja Kicked the jugs.

        He had a good mix of humor / satire with serious info.

    • I agree T, he did a great job- personally after the .22 shortage i started using ely primed and ely ammunition – augila is amazing stuff in over 5000 rounds never had a misfire or issue with their .22lr. …

      My 7 year old daughter has a ruger sr22 and a singles shot bolt gun (cricket)

      She is deadly accurate in a pinch, could and would defend herself well.

      (We run moving drills and more)

      Regardless, only one gun and 10lbs of ammo, give me a mossberg 702 rifle and 1k rounds of augila extra velocity solid point all day/ using gelatin (homemade 15%) it works and works well- not too mention dozens of stories available online easily with a bit of googling of people using .22s effectively for self defense.

      Specifically old.man and rifle one shot dropped the perp in his house – or the lady using a single shot .22 like my daughters to fend off burglars –

      It works, facts are what they are, like it or not, they work. When aimed well.

  6. I agree w/ the video that a .22 has some value & shot placement is a key, although I tend to think of 22 as light firepower. But my wife isn’t comfortable w/ a 9 mm, but can easily handle a 22. As a beginner-level shooter, I’m more accurate w/ my 22 too.

  7. I’m a big believer in a .22 as a first gun for most people because the recoil is negligible and the cost of ammo is way below most others. That means one can practice a lot, and practice is the key to hitting your target.

    As the video said, a hit with a .22 is a lot better than a miss with a .44.

    For many people, one gun is all they can afford, and a .22 may be all they can handle. In that case, I’d seriously consider a .22 as an only gun if cost or physical limitations are an issue. It isn’t the ideal defensive caliber, but again: A hit with a .22 is better than a miss with a bigger round.

    My only quibble: A high velocity solid point might be a better choice, especially in winter when people are wearing heavier clothes, maybe heavy leather. In some cases penetration is a lot more important than expansion.

    The video showed adequate penetration, but it is something to think about.

    I’ve kinda harped on it before, but data suggests pretty solidly that caliber does not matter in 90% of defensive gun uses because the bad guy departed when he found out the victim had a gun, no shots fired.

    In roughly half the cases a shot was fired, the defender missed, so caliber didn’t matter then either. In only about 5% of defensive gun uses was the bad guy actually hit, and that could range from right between the eyes to the tip of his little toe. In those cases, a solid hit was in many cases more important than the caliber, and that gets back to practice, practice, practice ie: a nice cheap to shoot .22.

    Other things being equal, solid hits with a couple rounds of .567 Belchfire Magnum is better, but a hit is better than a miss in any caliber.

  8. Chuck Findlay says:

    I’m a big believer in a .22 as a first gun for most people because the recoil is negligible and the cost of ammo is way below most others. That means one can practice a lot, and practice is the key to hitting your target.

    At the gun shop people would ask what is a good first gun to buy.

    Most times I would say a 22 for the above mentioned reasons, and 95% of the time people would ignore what we told them and buy a 9 or 40 and only 1-box of ammo.

    • I sell guns at a large sporting goods store. I see the same thing…Customers who cannot shoot the guns they are buying, (at least not accurately), and who are not going to be practicing. Most look at me with a smirk when I suggest the .22 semi-autos to go out and shoot a lot learn how to shoot well. Buying grandma a pump shotgun isn’t helping her much when she has never shot one and will not be practicing. You might as well buy her a single shot.

  9. Thomas The Tinker says:

    I own a Walther P22. It fits me somewhat like my G26… somewhat. I run it once or twice a season in place of the G26. I make a deal with myself to limit my point of aim to the ‘ O ‘ box on the head of an IDPA target. I don’t always make the shots… but with the 22 I can always put em in a nice triangle chin to eye sockets at the least. After seeing the results of the author’s “Meat Targets”…. crappolla… I’m gonna expand the limits of my point of aim to eye sockets to the lower neck

  10. I learned at a young age not to underestimate a .22. Both my father and cousin each killed large game animals with a .22 rifle. Shot placement was key of course but I saw one of America’s largest land mammals drop like a rock with my own eyes each time.
    One of my fathers friends saw a native guide kill a large bull moose with a .22 pistol at point blank range. During the course of guiding the group, they came face to face with a bull moose on a river. My dad said there was no time to avoid the bull, the guide put his .22 pistol to the moose’s head and emptied the magazine before the bull could react. The guide’s actions saved the hunters lives .

    • Curley Bull says:

      I remember a story years ago about a woman killing a full grown grizzly with a .22 rifle. Nothing is impossible!

      • Chuck Findlay says:

        I think I read the same story, if I remember it right? It was a shot through the eye, into the brain.

        Still NOT something I would want to do, If I tried it the grizzly would be dinning on Chuck Findlay for dinner, it would be a sh*t covered Chuck so it may not smell too good…

  11. Thomas The Tinker says:

    Col… Curley… Two “Hail Mary” shots. Talk about makin yer neither regions pucker.

  12. Chuck Findlay says:

    Rangar Benson in his book “Survival Poaching” talks about a 22 as a good hunting gun for deer.

    Also I found a book at (of all places) a church rummage sale called “How To Be A Hitman” it teaches all kind of nasty things, including using a silenced 22, and how to make the silencer to do it.

  13. Axelsteve says:

    As for me, I think a 22 lr would come in handy for many situations. Drilling a few holes into someone that needs some ventilation is doable.

  14. A 10/22 with a high capacity magazine and a laser is very formidable and have been used in prisons for riot control.

  15. Hvaczach says:

    Incredibly well done video, tongue in cheek humor then presented the facts. I believe a 22 is a great defensive weapon because of the accuracy, small package for tight quarters, and quite frankly we tend to shoot them more than others because ammo is cheaper so we are familiar with them. But that being said I always revert to what my wife’s grandpa once told me a 22 year Marine Corp veteran “a solid hit from a 9mm will drop a man, any hit with a 45 will drop a man” he may not have meant in its most literal sense bit you get the point.

  16. Curley Bull says:

    Everyone talks “10/22”, has anyone looked at the Marlin 795? I got one at Dick’s a few years ago just because of the deal. It was on sale and I got a discount for being a “Senior”, another one for being a Vet and walked out with the rifle, two extra 25rnd mags, 100rnds of ammo for $140 tax and all. Love this rifle!! My son said (he did some research) it was very comparable to the 10/22 and much cheaper. If I could get another deal like that, I would hope I had enough money to get more than one.

    • I too, love my 10/22’s, but agree there are many .22’s out there that are great . Although I seldom get it out anymore, my all time favorite .22 rifle has to be the Remington Nylon 66. About half the weight of the 10/22, very accurate, and I don’t recall ever having a malfunction with any of those I’ve had over the years. Even feeds .22 shorts (feeds, not cycles) for quiet squirrel/pest control. Just have one left, the others were gifts to grandchildren.

  17. Good job on the video demonstration of the little popular 22LR.
    A story I remember reading about stopping power (shot placement actually) was in the book, Safari: The Last Adventure by Peter Hathaway Capstick. In the chapter titled A Solid Suggestion, he tells the story of Ken Stewart, ex-professional hunter from Kenya & well known animal “catcher” for zoos, being documented of cropping two elephants using a single shot each with a 22LR.
    Remarkable story.

    • I have read that and highly recommend it as well. Amazing what shot placement can do.

      Quick story, first hand- my dad and mom live about 30 miles from the nearest town of any size, deer constantly raid the garden. One day my dad takes a single pump benjamin .177 and pops a deer, thinking it will sting and they will leave the garden alone, needless to say, and several venison steaks later…shot placement.

      Amazing really.

  18. Jeffery in Alabama says:

    The .22 LR is a good multi-purpose cartridge. As a retired Army Ranger once told me, “Anything from a .22 short to a .44 magnum will get the job done. The question one must ask is do I have time for my prey to bleed out”. I am a big fan of .22’s. Though I have other pistols, my CCW is a Walther PPK/S in .22. What it lacks in power can be offset by shot placement. I have had people ask why didn’t I buy a PPK in .380. My choice was based on the availability and cost of ammo. I also have a Ruger MkII pistol and Ruger 10/22 rifle. Both have “bull barrels” that are tapped (female threads) for my suppressor. Using Aguila sub-sonic ammunition, both are whisper quiet. The rifle is a little louder due to the increased muzzle velocity, but still is as quiet as a pellet gun. The advantages of being able to fire a gun virtually undetected are obvious.

  19. IdahoBob says:

    If you are being attacked by zombies (thugs intent of taking your stuff and killing you) and you shoot one of them in the chest, eye, abdomen, leg, whatever, with a 22 or a .223 what are the chances that he could still chase you down in the next 24 hours and harm you? I’m guessing almost anywhere you are shot with a .22 you are not going to be able to walk a few miles or run a mile or attack an adult male who is armed and capable. Call me crazy but I don’t want to be shot with a 22 and most especially don’t want to be shot with a 22 in my chest, head, abdomen, leg, etc. Don’t get me wrong; clearly a 30-06 through your chest or abdomen is a death shot if you don’t get medical help and it seriously impairs your ability to fight. But would anyone really argue that a 22 in the same place is something to laugh at?

    • Very true

      • For those thinking of getting a suppressed 22 LR, may I make a suggestion – get a separate not integral suppressor. It is much more versatile. I have both. My separate one will work on standard ammo and take the added pressures of magnum ammo (although not suppressed due to the velocity). Also one build for a 5.56 weapon will work in 22 LR/Mag, but it is heavier.

  20. Thank you very much for an interesting video. Using 22 rifles for home defense, a good opinion. I wonder if there are other rifles suitable for home defense? Could you suggest some of them and compare their strength points and weak points?

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