by M.D. Creekmore on February 15, 2013 · 66 comments
Do people / organizations like Alex Jones or Coast to Coast AM help or hurt?
I can’t vote on this as I do not listen to Coast to Coast. I do know that when Art Bell was on it the show was a good thing.
I get the impression that Alex Jones tries to hard and in doing so seems to become an over zealous whatever.
We have to remember “They” consider us nut jobs too.
P.S. They would dub us nut jobs with out Coast to Coast or Alex Jones being in the picture.
LOL- Art Bell… how many UFO reports have I listened to on his program? (Answer: far too many.)
But he’s humorous, entertaining and sometimes has a nugget of truth or wisdom.
Ditto with Jones, who I sometimes read, have never listened to (to my knowledge, which may be a bit short on memory).
Regardless, whatever they say, they have the right to say it and I will not deny them.
Of course, there are some very less entertaining in D.C. who I’d love to shut up…
It really depends on what you mean by “hurt”. I would actually kind of agree with both statements. They do give preppers a bad reputation and polarize people against us — but mainly the ones who are never going to prepare anyway. I think for the ones on the fence, I think those guys are doing a service and are getting those people to open up their eyes and start prepping.
Well said, John. The first time I heard about Agenda21 was on a YouTube video that was put up Alex Jones. Scared the Beejeesus out of me, but woke me up and got me looking around me and at the news in a different way. I get angry when the Left sneers that we are a bunch of wound-up loonies, then rub their hands in glee when Alex or Ted Nugent go off on their shows. But nothing is said by them when the likes of Piers Morgan is hostile, rude and throws a snit when the interviews don’t go his way. I have given up worrying about what these people think anyway. Because they don’t.
Alex Jones the way he talked to Piers Morgan he just added fuel to the fire. If I was a gun ban advocate he just proved gun owners are violent.
Ted Nugent my hero. But I be darned if he don’t say some of the wierdest crap. But then again he say’s what we feel. Violence is not the solution (at this time).
I didn’t see this interview, but what always makes me wonder is why society now looks on anger with such distain.
Even when it gets rather rowdy does not mean you are in the wrong or necessarily going to explode into harming anyone.
If what he was shouting at the top of his lungs was true and resonably coherant there should be no proof as to one being violent.
Why is being loud and angry such a stigma??????
I agree with you. But he told him to get in the boxing ring with him and he would be the crap out of him. Which would be legal but still violent.
…resonably coherant… he wasn’t and isn’t.
He takes a fact. Adds another fact which may or may not be related and then comes to some wild ass conclusion.
Jones is a woo woo.
I’m in the minority so far on this poll and I want to explain why and maybe it will change some minds. First off I don’t particularly care for Alex Jones and I firmly believe there is a reason why Coast to Coast AM comes on in the middle of the night…..That’s when only the looney toons are listening to the AM radio.
With that said. I can see both sides of the question. Alex Jones does tend to give us a bad name. We all get lumped in with him and that’s not particularly good. However there is some truth, in fact a lot of truth in the things he talks about. Unfortunately he goes overboard, gets off on strange tangents and in some cases spouts off stuff that no one, well not many sane folks, can believe.
So why did I vote that he provides an alternative media ….. to educate the public? Basically because it came down to a coin toos for me between agreeing that he deserves to spout off what every outrageous black helicopter idea he has and voting to shut him up. Now let’s examine the alternatives. Do we want him to be free to say whatever he wants or do we want him shut up so that he doesn’t make us look bad? Well if he can be shut up then so can we and I have found over the last couple of years that things I thought were outrageous lies a couple of years ago are actually true. When it comes down to it….. I go with the 1st ammendment and so should you.
Sometimes one has to be ridiculous for people to notice. Then it sticks in their minds. Then maybe, just maybe they remember what was said.
Rush would be proud…. I agree with ya MG
Remember, Alex Jones and George Nourry are ENTERTAINERS. Their job is to attract an audience. They do this by demonstrating the radicality of ideas. By pronouncing gargantuan risks from statistically insignificant events. I listen to Coast to Coast when driving home late at night, probably 3 or 4 times per month. I have written down several of the dire predictions guaranteed to come about in no more than 12 months. List is long, list of events empty. Listen for information but don’t get caught up in their broadcasting stchick.
sorry that should say coin toss not coin toos.
While I voted for option #2, it would be wonderful if they both did not do what the lamestream media does and they reported facts instead and insured that they were not spreading half truths and sometimes downright falsehoods. However, this is a free nation and we have free speech. They have the right to say and do what they want. Alex Jones’ appearance on Piers Morgan’s show was awful, hysterical and did nothing to build confidence in those seeking to continue the second amendment. I take what they say as just something that may be worth checking into, never as fact without research.
I see little difference in the reliability between the so called Mainstream news and the alternate news that is accused of nothing but conspiracy theories. The Government Approved and Controlled Media puts out their propaganda and the Alex Jones types put out their alternate version. I’ll pick and choose what to believe. At least Jones appears to have his heart in the right place versus the leftist gaggle that run TV news.
Letter from Diane Feinstein in response to my letters/phone calls and emails on her gun control…
Thank you for contacting me to share your opposition to assault weapons legislation. I respect your opinion on this important issue and welcome the opportunity to provide my point of view.
Mass shootings are a serious problem in our country, and I have watched this problem get worse and worse over the 40 years I have been in public life. From the 1966 shooting rampage at the University of Texas that killed 14 people and wounded 32 others, to the Newtown massacre that killed 20 children and 6 school teachers and faculty, I have seen more and more of these killings. I have had families tell me that they no longer feel safe in a mall, in a movie theater, in their business, and in other public places, because these deadly weapons are so readily available. These assault weapons too often fall into the hands of grievance killers, juveniles, gangs, and the deranged.
I recognize that the Second Amendment provides an individual right to bear arms, but I do not believe that right is unlimited or that it precludes taking action to prevent mass shootings. Indeed, in the same Supreme Court decision that recognized the individual right to bear arms, District of Columbia v. Heller, the Court also held that this right, like other constitutional rights, is not unlimited. That is why assault weapons bans have consistently been upheld in the courts, both before and after the Heller decision. I believe regulation of these weapons is appropriate.
Once again, thank you for your letter. Although we may disagree, I appreciate hearing from you and will be mindful of your thoughts as the debate on this issue continues. If you have any additional comments or questions, please do not hesitate to contact my Washington, D.C. office at (202) 224-3841.
United States Senator
Can we call her collect?
The 2nd admendment says “shall not be infringed.”
What a loon.
The most telling part of her response is, “…over the 40 years I have been in public life.”
Career politicians have completely lost touch with reality outside the Beltway, and must be sent home.
Hey, I got the same e-mail this morning.
You just need know when to change the channel. I never listen to the talking to the dead shows on coast to coast ,and I don`t think Bush had the twin towers destroyed. If he had the u.n. building destroyed .That would make sens to me.
Can I say both?
I didn’t vote because I really don’t watch/ listen to any of it. Kinda goes with the believe nothing you hear and half of what you see thinking. Honestly this is the only site I visit and trust. I’ve gotten to know most of you, I guess you could say personally on a behind the screen kind of way.
A show is very one sided meaning you only hear their opinion, basically. There’s really no feedback like there is here. So I would have to say it makes us look like kook’s to the average sheeple.
Coast to Coast has been carried on a local station for years and I enjoy listening when I’m up late at night. There is on occasion worthwhile information, but you can’t take things too literally when you listen as there is a lot of purely “entertainment” value to the programs. I have not listened to Alex Jones’ program, however I have heard him and read some of his website stuff. I am not a fan of his perspective. I do acknowledge that “even a broken clock is correct twice a day” and for people that do listen to him, I would advise a cautious “listen and/but verify ” approach.
Personally, I’m not in favor of telling people to shut up. Right now we are seeing one of the greatest assaults on the 2nd Amendment ever perpetrated on the citizens of this country. The number of lies and half-truths and mis-information is staggering. I think we need to be standing up for the Constitution in full. Without the second amendment there would be no first amendment, that means hearing things we may find foolish or worse, but that people are within their rights to spew.
Unfortunately this makes it tougher to educate the sheeple about what is truth and what is fiction.
I love the entertainment of Coast-to-Coast. I do not lump that shows hosts and content in with the Alex Jones show(s).
Alex Jones does not help the 2a cause because of his inflammatory rhetoric. It is one thing to say that we need to save 2a rights because there may someday be a need to use them. Jones is convinced that the time is close at hand and the wheels are already turning in that direction.
They’re probably Operation Mockingbird, but one could also say there is no such thing as bad publicity.
Although I don’t agree with Alex Jones most of the time, he presents another view point. This is what our University’s are supposed to be all about, and exchange of ideas from all view points. Now if you’re not Left you’re wrong.
I have no idea what these shows are so I didnt vote.
Sheeple read Alex Jones? I can’t decide whats more implausible, sheeple reading or the idea that if they did read it would be anything but lamestream media or celebrity news.
might have been better to add another line in there,
One for Alex Jones and
one for Coast to Coast
sure some of the Coast to Coast is a little out there, but then again People were saying no Asteroids or Meteors would hit yesterday or today’s as well.
Coast to Coast actually did say that when Large objects go by sometimes, smaller ones travel with them and they sometimes hit the Planet or the Moon..
Separate what you want out of the Programs, The ONLY Censorship I believe in is Self Censorship !
cheers from the Weirdly frozen North !
No vote from me, dont listen to either. I am more concerned about the degradation of “fact based” reporting in the MSM. I feel that we have past the tipping point where there is no honest reporting left, only a political point of view, left AND right. I don’t trust any of them.
I, too, do not always agree with Alex Jones, and sometimes feel he is over the top. However, that said, some of the things he said a few years back appear to be happening before our very eyes.
Every time a man/woman are years ahead of their time they are cast as ‘nut jobs;’ including many of us who say the economy is heading for a collapse, those who talk of the ‘mark of the beast,’ or other similar issues. As a matter of fact, the U.S. congress is now considering as a bi-partisan effort requiring EVERY man/woman/child to have biometric S. S. cards to halt illegal immigration (mark of the beast?). It’s only a small step to require either a clear ink tatoo (they’re already used on cattle), or a RFID chip implant because cards are too easy to loose or misplace. See how that might sound like a ‘nut job wacko’ idea to most of the sheeple out there? Oh, and BTW, that is also reported to be a requirement in Obamacare legislation as well – to be implemented within three years of its passing. Mmmm.
I’ve never listened to Alex Jones but I listen to C2C every night. All at C2C do a good job of letting all opinions be heard and keeping the shows informative without judging. One show that drives me crazy is Clyde Lewis on Ground Zero. He’s a major conspiracy theory person and lately seems to be creating more in his head and will argue with anyone who disagrees, bleh.
Anyone who uses the word “sheeple” seriously is as much an elitist and aristocrat-wannabe as Nancy Pelosi.
Whoooo is ‘asking’ these two questions? They are both ‘loaded’ with a clear bias to each end. This choice makes any vote a tool supplied by a useful idiot. I am truly sorry to offend those that have ‘voted’ either way, but I do not care to swing this double edged sword at either side.
Thomas, you think on the same lines as me. I ultimately decided to come down on the side of free speech and submitted my vote accordingly.
The mainstream media is a staged game. But it works to keep the public filled with disinformation as it has the effective veneer of “facts.” Boobus americanus worships government as the highest force for good in the world–while it may temporarily be in wrong hands, boobus is its acolyte, trained in government schools and raised in a jingoistic nationalism that convinces him that America is a island of liberty in a world of danger. Anyone presenting information not in line with the State’s official spin is effectively labeled a conspiracy nut. Alex Jones certainly adds to that perception by his style of journalism, but he has found a formula to keep his organization viable. Of course, we have to remember that Inforwars.com is also a source of information that is often knee-jerk and not totally accurate. Despite the fact that he has revealed truths that are shocking, boobus americanus is not going to have his Matrix dream upset. To the rest of us, Alex Jones, and those like him, provide a valuable service, even when wrong on some points. Admittedly, he attracts those few who are truly conspiracy nuts, that is they will believe anything told to them, no matter how strange or impossible. But as long as the truth is so radically different than the world as the media and government portray it, anyone who speaks up for it will seem to be a nut.
I do not know about Coast to Coast but I am familiar with Alex Jones. News is everywhere so, depending upon the source and if they have honest and righteous intentions and the listener or reader does a follow-up on their reports/sources for verification/legitimacy purposes, I lean a little toward the side that they (can and sometimes do) help. I try to remember not to jump the gun on every report nor forget that reporters are people, too, and because they are human they too may make errors. Because of the condition that the world is in today, I think it is vital that we keep our eyes open, pay attention, not pick others apart too much nor become complacent. Let’s not lose our prepping focus.
Where’s the troll?
Bam bam, I would guess…. something to do with sheeple?
I use the term and I’m not elite anything. simply pointing out that a huge amount of people are unaware of whats really going on doesnt make anyone an elite. or maybe its the term that isnt liked?
Yep. That’s how we all use the term. There is nothing elitist about the use of the term “sheeple”–if anything, folks here want to wake up folks and get them to provide for their own needs instead of relying on the government.
About 5-6 posts up.
Sheeple do not like to be refereed to as sheeple !
I think Alex Jones provides excellent OPSEC. People look and him and say, “That’s what a prepper looks like.” Well, I don’t look like that. I pull off normal pretty well. No one would ever guess that I am a prepper.
Coast to Coast AM does have informed guests with career paths that are willing to discuss topics and answer questions for individuals that became “prepers” for conditions never experienced.
A spectrum of topics allows listeners to become aware of issues possibly never before discussed. I personally would like to occasionally hear a full week of similar topics/subjects up for interaction with program guests rather than a different topic each broadcast.
Never heard of either one!
Hey Blue, how’s that baby doing?
She is doing great! Putting on weight and growing like a weed. She travels better than my first child (weekend road trip to KY). Thank you for remembering!!!
Good to hear. They do grow so fast!
Spent many sleepless evenings listening to Coast-to-Coast when it aired here in Chicago, first with Art Bell and then George Noory. Great bumper music, too, but sadly, it’s no longer carried on any local stations in the Windy City.
Heard Alex Jones a few times and actually felt his saliva coming through my Crosley radio…I’m conservative too, but yikes!
I love it when polls show a nice Fibonacci Sequence, it’s so natural.
Now that’s funny!
I think it’s a mixed bag. First, I want to differentiate between the two.
Art Bell I love for entertainment purposes, but never take too seriously.
Alex Jones is sometimes ahead of the curve, and sometimes just out there and paranoid.
As for perception, they both make us look crazy :D
Bless our First Ammendment. Thank God we still live in a country where anyone still can express his or her opinion however foolish, ignorant or just plain “wrong” many of the rest of us may belive that opinion to be. If I wanted to live in a highly orderly, nearly violence-free country where everyone preferred to publically express only the “correct” opinion and patiently wait in line to do exactly what the government wanted, I would move to Japan. I have lived outside the US and very much prefer to live in the good old USA where there is the opportunity to make one’s own decisions and make as much or little of a success in life as one’s abilities allow.
What is the Truth?
We all think that we know the truth when we hear it! But what is the truth? Is it what others tell to be the truth? Is it what our elected officials tell us to be the truth? Is it what the church tells us to be the truth?
Or is the truth none of the above?
Truth is what ever we choose to believe to be the truth, at least it is the truth for the person who believes it to be the truth. Man has always tried to manipulate other men to believe his truth. ie. The Politician, the Preacher, even your family and best Friend.
A Real Truth is, They All Lie!
How do I know this to be the truth? Very simply because they are repeating someone else’s truth! Or maybe they are using someone else’s truth embellished with their own ideas. Yes there can be some truth imbedded into what they say, but more times than not it is completely out of context, but it does serve their purpose.
So how can one discern the truth from fiction? This is a most difficult task to say the least. What one can do is to “Listen Critically” to what is being said or Read, apply logic, apply reason, and then look for collaborating evidence. Always remember that everyone has an agenda and few will be the same as your agenda, so they will lie to you in order to get you to join their camp.
TRUTH is what you choose to believe to be the truth. You can choose to be controlled by the government, preachers, politicians, and your friends and family. You can choose to be a lamb on your way to be slaughtered, or you can choose to think and reason for yourself. The bottom line is that,
YOU CHOOSE YOUR TRUTH!
I got totally turned off by Alex Jones when I saw his piece with Piers Morgan. Jones came off as a total wack job and made firearms owners look crazy. I respect and appreciate his position, but he could have come off just a tad different.
It’s calked FREE SPEECH and it’s currently protected by a document called The Constitution of The United States of America! Helping or hurting? I believe regardless it is showing the diversity of thought and ideals that make up the American fabric!
Agree or disagree it matters not, they have the right and dare I say the duty to bring to light their opinions, ideas and yes even the theories of some as an entertainment or informative venue. And the free market will bare out whether there is enough like minded people who support the shows with their attention and dollars. If I think either of them are getting “OUT THERE” I TURN IT OFF!!! Not unlike this web site if it is a topic I care little about I delete an move on.
Over and over I have seen people go off here about Freedom of Speech and the US Constitution. Actually it is insulting to us if you think you need to lecture anyone on this blog about Free Speech..
The Poll question had nothing to do with censoring anybodys free speech. Nothing! Nada! Zero and Zip!
Suggesting someone should STHU because they are hurting the cause is not the same thing as telling them that they MUST STHU.
One more thing. The Constitution does not prevent MD from deleting your post. This is his blog and he has the right to monitor and censor as he sees fit. The Constitution only prevents the government from doing so.
For the most part, these shows are an echo chamber. The folks who listen are alreader bnelievers and the folks who need to be saved won’t listen to these guys. The community is frequently as guilty of one sided bigotry as is the MSM against whom they rail. Demeaning people will never win them over – and face the facts…..the movement needs a LOT of converts to turn us from the direction we are following!
Yes at times Alex Jones or Coast to Coast can be in the outer limits but, it does bringing a message to the sheeple to take off the blinders and look what is happening in the country.
I follow a number of web sites and read hundreds of comments, some I agree with and some I disregard, it is my choice. I do not have any intentions of shooting the messenger because everyone is entitled to their truths. The real problem we have is that there is no actions, no one is or has the ability or desire to lead. Without leadership there will never be any action and believe me the government know this all to well. This is why they work so hard at dividing us into groups small enough to control with disinformation. I believe that most, maybe all of the groups have the same basic intentions – “FREEDOM”. It is then all about the semantics, not the cause. I also believe that most of these groups are following some kind of a leader of words only. Bringing all or most of these groups together is the only hope of ever causing a real true action that will have any positive results of turning America back to a country of Constitutional Law.
some of these media things are off the wall and unimportant. But that could be a good thing. 1. If they directly and consistently attacked the socialist worldview they would be shut down. 2. They open peoples minds to the fact that no group or government has the untimate answers to every individuals problems and concerns.
For instance when i was a kid i was very entertained by things like The National inquirer. I knew some of it was nonsense. But as i grew up i realized it was all nonsense. Also things like the easter bunny are useful to help a child use their imagination and see the unseen. Now at 50 i realize that people who believe in bigfoot and aliens are just working with an immature mind (not a bad thing) and trying to grasp some understanding of a confusing and massive universe.
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