Alternate Cooking Methods to Keep You Fed Now and After the Collapse



This is a guest post by Robert H and entry for our non-fiction writing contest.

In an event with no power or gas, an alternate method of cooking would have to be devised.  The options are many and varied.  I will attempt to touch upon a few.

Propane

The use of propane is easy and quick.  A small propane stove could be purchased and then stored until the need for use.  Propane is clean and produces good heat for cooking and canning.  The downside of a stove/oven would be the amount used.  Either multiple bottles or a large tank would be needed to keep operating it during a SHTF scenario.

A propane fish cooker would be a second option.  With the proper regulator, gas usage would be minimal.  The cooker would be large enough to can food or just cook a meal.  As a plus, in the event that you would have to bug-out, the cooker would be able to be loaded in a vehicle and carried with you to another location.

The use of a propane camp stove is a good third option, either using 1 pound bottles or a hose connector.  An adapter is made to refill the 1 pound bottles which would help out in the long-term. The use of a gas grill would allow you to cook also.  With the storage of propane the use of a grill would allow portability with a large cooking area.  Grills can be used with either bottles or hooked to a large tank for long-term use. All four of these options allow the use of a camp oven.

Storage of propane is simple and the propane does not go bad in storage.

White Gas

Camping stoves that use white gas are available new, in stores, or for sale used.  They cook very well.  A downside of these stove are fuel storage and parts/repair kits. White gas usually comes in metal cans which can rust and cause leakage.  Fuel viability over long-term would be iffy.  Parts kits are available, but, when they are gone, they’re gone.

These are very portable and yes, you can use a camp oven with these too.

Charcoal

Charcoal, either lump or briquettes, are a good option for cooking food.  Charcoal can be used with a grill or can be used with a dutch oven.  Dutch ovens will allow you to bake or stew meals as an alternative to using other methods of cooking.  Charcoal can be made by burning wood in a low oxygen environment.

Charcoal storage is easy.  The use of metal barrels or trash cans will keep it dry and ready to use.  Moisture is the enemy to worry about. Although not very portable, concerning space used, if you are staying put this is a good alternate source of cooking. A camp oven can be used with most grills too. WORD OF CAUTION:  the use of charcoal indoors is VERY DANGEROUS as carbon monoxide poisoning is a deadly and real threat if it is used indoors.

Cooking with wood

Cooking with wood allows many and variable options also.  Getting a wood burning cook stove would be the ultimate in wood cooking.  These stoves have many options that could allow baking, cooking, and even heating water for clean up or bathing.  As a bonus, the cook stove can be used to heat during the winter.  Cleaning and amount of wood used are minor drawbacks.  Cooking in the summer would be a chore, but if the stove is put in a room that would allow a cooling breeze to enter and carry out the heat, it would be bearable.  If a room was added to an existing structure then it could be open in the summer and closed off during the winter so as to allow the heat to remain in the home.

Rocket stoves and wood gas stove allow cooking with the use of minimal wood.  These are available for purchase on the internet or can be made with pipe or even tin cans.  Heavier stoves that can be made would last a lifetime. The use of a camp oven could be used with the making of some type of bracket system to hold it off of the fire.

A rocket mass heater can be made to include an oven and a stove top to cook on.  Mass heaters are a good way to heat but would have a few drawbacks for cooking.  Portability would be a big issue for some.  Using it to cook would heat a room and continue to radiate heat for even days.  No smoke or very little smoke would be a very large added plus though.  If a way to move air and remove excess heat were taken into consideration, then this would be a good option for bugging in.

A fireplace can be used to cook on if care is taken to reduce the risk of fire.  A fireplace does not use fuel very efficiently though.  When using a fireplace to cook with, a plume of smoke would also give away your position.  But, the chimney would also send to smell of cooking higher into the air and would dissipate the odors faster and better.  It would be very hard to use a camp oven with a fireplace but it could be done.

In a rural setting or suburban setting, wood can be gotten with a little effort or even just picking up sticks and branches around the yard or neighborhood.  Cutting of firewood after the fact would be a large chore that would burn a lot of energy.  But, with a good sharp axe or saw, the effort can be minimized.

Kerosene

Kerosene stoves and even burners can be had on the market.  Some of the stoves include ovens and even hot water tanks.  The kerosene burners would allow the use of a camp oven without the expense of a full size stove.  Kerosene can be stored longer than gasoline or white gas but will still go bad over time.

Solar

Solar ovens can be bought online or made with wood and mirrors.  They can even be made with cardboard and aluminum foil.  These ovens can be used to cook with as long as the sun is shining and you have the time to wait.  Very good used to cook all day meals as a slow cooker.  Some of the ones purchased, allow baking bread and treats as it will get to very high temperatures.

Mud / Cob stoves

Cob stoves can be made using local materials usually.  With sand, clay, and some labor you can make an oven that can be a focal point at a backyard BBQ or used in a SHTF scenario.  These can be used to make bread or cook in an oven type environment.  Heat retention is very good and you can bake multiple batches of bread at a time.  If this is built outside, then some type of cover would be needed to keep the rain off of it.  This will prolong the life of your hard work.  The oven can be heated using rocket stove technology or even a fire built inside of it and using the coals for heat.  As it is being built, rocket stove inserts can be added at the side to have access to stove top cooking.  The use of a wok for frying or cooking would be an added bonus.  The oven can be made of cob or as a steel box with racks and a door.

Ovens

Ovens can be bought with wood stoves or kerosene stoves.  Wood ovens can be bought and used in bad times.  Ovens can be bought or made.  A camping oven can be bought or you can go all the way to large wood fired ovens that could even cook a turkey.  Ovens can be made using cob, steel, even brick. You can make simple ovens using an ammo can.  But the easiest would probably be a large rural mailbox.  It is large enough to bake in by turning it on its side.  The door is ready-made.  If it burns out, more are readily available in a rural setting.  Large ammo cans are thicker metal and would last longer, but the latch would have to be modified to make it more user-friendly.  Dutch ovens are good for cooking and are used with coals or charcoal.

All in all there are many ways to cook.  These may range in price from many thousand dollars down to free.  It can just depend on the time and effort you are willing to spend on your project.

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Comments

  1. My primary backup is propane. I use it camping, so I have most of the stuff anyway, plus I use if for portable heat. I have a couple of small “canned gas” stoves for travel in the car, one fits nicely in the cooking put (but this is very short term). I have a South facing, glassed in porch so I really am looking to add a good solar oven this year.

    • I have one in the attic–as I state often, I watched for a sale and bought it.
      I hope in the summer months it gives me cooked food, for now it is impossible–20° at noon!!!

    • I like the Coleman ‘dual fuel’ stoves and lanterns. Though they are heavy compared to the back packing stuff we used forty years ago, such as the Svea 123 or Phoebus 925, it’s a great advantage to be able to siphon gas from the car to feed the stove or lantern.
      JayJay- you must live near me to have temps like that. (Northern MN).

      • No–odd and unexpected cold here in Ky.
        I can only do laundry when it is 30 and above because my pipes in the laundry are next to the outside wall and freeze.
        Pipes thaw when the sun shines on that side—they are spraying chemtrails so we may not have sun for a day or two, so laundry will have to wait.
        I can hear the planes and we have no jet traffic here often.
        So, I know it is chemtrail/aerosol spraying above the clouds.
        I am 63 and have NEVER experienced cold like this and I’m from Tennessee.

  2. patientmomma says:

    Nice review of cooking methods! I have used all of them except the mud/cob stove. Would appreciate more information on it, how to build one, etc.

  3. seeuncourt says:

    Great article. You helped me focus on the need for redundancy in all of our survival preparations.

  4. I have listed here a few more you haven’t thought of!

    http://www.whispersfromelizabeth.com/2012/06/cooking-without-electricity-cardboard.html

    • k. fields says:

      I love your website Kate and am always recommending it to folks who are looking to detach themselves from “modern conveniences.”
      You’re the only other person I know who grinds wheat as needed to make noodles for dinner – never could figure out why some folks grind flour before hand just to have it sitting on the shelf going bad. Was glad to find I wasn’t alone.
      Thanks for sharing your experiences and keep up the good work.

      • k. fields,
        Thank you so much for your very kind words! At times, I feel like I am alone in my journey. Even among Mormons, I am considered a bit ‘out of it’.

        I had a friend from church over the other day to learn about making kefir (this woman knows I don’t use electricity in my kitchen) and yet she was astonished when I brought out my hand crank blender to make her a kefir smoothie!

        • where do you get hand-cranked blenders? i would like a hand-cranked everything. gives more convenience than our ancestors had but without the need for electricity.
          thanks.

          • Uncle Frank says:

            Lehmans is your place for non-electric items. They have hand cranked blenders. A bit spendy but available….

            Uncle Frank

  5. I’ve put years and years into thinking about and building various means of cooking,heating,and purifying water. This was the best article I’ve read on one of the key ingredients to life ( air water food heat ). I really can’t think of a thing to add to a subject im somewhat passionate about. I would like to encourage people to at least have a couple dozen bricks put back somewhere to build a simple but effective rocket stove in the backyard. You can use yard debris or any type of combustible biomass to boil and purify water. Thanks very much for a very informative article. You touched on all the possibilities.

  6. Well we use wood year around . In the summer we just open all the windows and doors . Been doing this for 20 years in southern middle Tn. Does it get warm in the summer ? Yes. I do have a propane backup . All in all a good article .

    • k. fields says:

      Same here.
      Growing up in eastern TN, wood was all we had. Now I do keep propane as I have a propane fridge, but all my cooking and baking is still done with wood. Although I must admit, I’m glad it doesn’t get as hot here as it does in TN.

  7. Well this one I think I have covered. I heat with a wood stove so if needed I could cook with it though It would be hot in the summer. I also have a 2 burner camp stove with about 20 gl of bulk propane and aprox 24 small bottles. I have a charcoal barbecue and also have made a hobo stove and just received my zoom versa the other day. I would like to be able to cook solar but my one attempt to do beans with a homemade solar oven failed miserably. This one I need to work on as cooking a long term project such as beans or stew will take a lot of time and supplies if using the other methods .

    • I’ve cooked beans and stews in my solar oven many times. Do you’ve reflective collectors on yours ? I can get my oven into the mid 300,s fairly quickly.

      • I’m sure it can be done BC I just need to build a better solar oven. I think I also need to find a better spot to put it on my property as I have a lot of trees and had to keep moving it to get direct sunlight. I will be trying again come spring.

        • poorman,
          Part of it might be your location on the planet. Folks like bc and Bam Bam live in the very deep south, and het more heat and sunlight than some of us farther north.

    • I bought a military tent wood burning stove.
      My idea is to put it on a brick floor right off the back porch and cook on it. It is just the size for small wood, and will hold one skillet or pan.

  8. Hey Wolfpack, check out the rocket box cook stove, the Onil stove, used
    in Guatamala.

  9. I go along with the rest of the propane people, as it burns without a smell. Just sold off my Kerosene heater last month due to the smell and my concerns about OPSEC. Go outside on a Fall night and tell me that the nice wood fire your neighbor has going would not draw a pack of hoarders when the SHTF

    • However, there’s advantage to the smell of smoke concealing the smell of frying bacon or lamb chop.
      I’ve been wondering about the smell of smoke in OpSec since I burn wood for heat, and think it’s possible to attract unwanted attention because of it. However, the benefits outweigh the detractions, so will continue to use propane as a back-up for the wood. Another advantage of wood is availability: I can run out back and cut down almost any bush for heat or cooking. Pretty difficult to do that with propane when there’s four feet of snow on the ground, thirty below temps and the S(has)HTF and no one has propane for sale. (Kind of the situation now in my area with companies rationing LP due to lack of availability.)

  10. GoneWithTheWind says:

    A volcano stove is a good option. It will cook using a dutch oven with fewer charcoal briquettes then it takes to heat the dutch oven without the volcano stove. I have tried it using a mix of wood and charcoal as well and it works well. I buy good quality charcoal in the fall when it goes on sale. Last year I bought 80 lbs of Kingsford briquettes for about $20. When you only need half a dozen briquettes to make a meal a bag lasts pretty long.

    • GWTW:

      Yep, I forgot I’ve got one of these, all the propane attachments, and 6 – 5 gal buckets of charcoal for it.

  11. Slickpreps says:

    I’m really interested in solar ovens. I never heard of making one from mud/cob, so thinks for introducing that!

  12. Thumbs up

  13. Don’t forget cooking with alcohol. There are marine models available with burners and an oven. If you are looking for long term survival, you can build a still which is legal if you get a permit. This can also be used as fuel for generators, automobiles etc. And if you cheat, you can drink it, just don’t tell the government.

    • Uncle Charlie.
      I used 10 alcohol soaked cotton balls and they burned 16 minutes.
      That’s long enough to boil water and warm a dish.
      Also, if you can cook in a ziplok–it’ll save the water for other dishes/meals.
      And, pour that hot water in an Aladdin and it will stay hot for 24 hours–I do that even now!!!

    • Indeed! We use alcohol all the time on our boat. Works really well. The alcohol stoves I use are all non-pressurized and you can store denatured alcohol for a Lllooonng time with no apparent ill affects to it’s flammability.

      Origo makes some very nice alcohol burning cooking stoves and I believe even an oven if one wanted. Our sailboats have all had Origo non-pressurized stove tops in them.

      Here’s is a little stove that I have about 50 cents invested in and I keep in BOB/GHB in the truck.

      http://www.backpacking.net/makegear/stove2/index.html

      Denatured alcohol is usually recommended for alcohol stoves but I have also many times used methanol. I keep several jugs of yellow jug, HEET (methanol) gas line anti-freeze in the car to fuel the stove if we should somehow become stranded for any length of time.

  14. I would like to get some plans to make a good tested solar cooker that will here in MT. Can any one help??

    • ive built and cooked in mine many many times. it really turned into a hot oven when i perfected the reflectors to get more sun rays into the box. its on my youtube cannel if you want to see the build and how i built the reflectors. just go to youtube and type bctruck,channel and it will be about 2 years back in my archives.

  15. k. fields says:

    Well done article Robert. It’s always important that folks consider all the options that are available.

  16. Back in the 80′s I took a 15 inch car rim and welded 4 angle iron legs on it. Still going strong today. Made some expanded metal grates for it and use it for my dutch ovens. It’s great not having to bend over to work with the ovens and briquettes or wood coals work fine. Even rigged a removable burner from an old water heater to work with a propane tank so I’d have that option.

    I’m gonna have a second one done with removable pipe legs so it will be easier to move around.

  17. Chuck Findlay says:

    KEROSENE
    I bought a Butterfly Kerosene stove

    http://www.stpaulmercantile.com/index.php?action=store&item=ButterflyDoubleBurnerStove

    I saw it in an issue of Backwoods Home Magazine, I looked up reviews on it and decided it was an excellent off-grid cooking stove. this type of stove is supposedly used by 15 to 20% of the people on this planet.
    The advantage of kerosene is that it stores well and doesn’t have the dangerous fumes like white-gas / gasoline. It can be used inside.

    PROPANE
    I also have an old propane Coleman 2-burner stove . Garage sale $1.50 5 + years ago and it works like new. I have at least 70 one-pound tanks for it and 3 20-pound tanks. I also have an adapter that allows me to refill the small tanks with a big tank. Harbor Tools sells the adapter for $15.00 or so.

    I was at a week long camping outing (Alive.org) and there were 50,000 people there and every day there was empty propane canisters in the dumpsters. I came home with a lot of them. It took a few weeks to refill them.

    Propane is most like the natural gas stove in many homes.

    GASOLINE / White Gas / Coleman Fuel

    I also have a Svea 123 camp stove, I bought it when I was 14-years old, I’m now in my 50s. It is the best camp stove on earth. Svea’s have cooked millions of back country meals on every part of this planet. But it does have a learning curve and therefore has fallen out of popularity that they once had. This stove was first made in 1897 and has only went through 1 improvement in all that time. It’s a thing of beauty.

    Most white gas stoves are not made to burn gasoline as it will clog up the jets and generator. But the Seva will burn gasoline because it has a built in cleaning needle, all you have to do to clean it is to turn the knob on all the way a few times and it’s clean. My Svea has never burned anything but gasoline and it’s 35 + years old and I expect it to outlast me.

    MSR camp stoves are not this way, you have to take them apart to clean and MSR sells repair kits for them. Svea’s don’t need parts because they will go for 30+ years and never need anything but fuel to burn.

    WOOD

    I have several wood stoves as well. for a while I went through a camp stove phase (I may still be in it…) and made a lot of wood and alcohol stoves. I have a homemade Woodgas camp stove that is so hot you could use it as a forge when the fan is on high and loaded up with twigs. I also made several Hobo stoves out of cans. But the best wood stove I have is the Thermette (thermette.com) It’s a volcano water boiler and also has a camp stove option built into it. It will boil 1/2 gallon of water in 5-min with twigs.

    Please give a look to the Thermette or Kelly Kettle. these are just about perfect disaster stoves as they can burn twigs, hurricane / tornado debris and sterilize water so you can have safe drinking water. Everyone should have one of these. The Thermette comes with parts ready to be used as a camp stove. The Kelly Kettle (last time I looked) thee camp stove parts were extra. But the Kelly Kettle sells for less then the Thermette so I guess it balances out.

    Anyone can build a wood stove out of stuff you normally throw away.
    And with a tin can, a few rocks to set a pot on, and a Bic lighter anyone can make a campfire to cook and keep warm. A campfire is the ultimate SHTF cooking method, it’s been that way for 10,000 years.

    ALCOHOL
    (Dry Gas / Denatured Alcohol)

    Triagula (sp?) stoves are a good alcohol stove as are homemade alcohol stoves. Search for Zen Stoves and you will find a web site full of people that have nothing better to do then make stoves out of pop cans that actually cook food quite well and cost nothing. Again Svea made a lot of alcohol stoves for military use, these pop up on the net all the time. They also can be found at gun shows, military outlet stores for very low prices. I have seen them range from $3.00 to $15.00 for a bulletproof stove that will outlast you.

    A note on alcohol stoves, they normally don’t work well in the wind so you need to make a wind block. Also most alcohol stoves are on full power as they don’t hav any adjustments. And they don’t like cold weather as alcohol doesn’t atomize well when it’s cold. There are a few exceptions to this but it’s true with most alcohol stoves.
    also alcohol is expensive, Denatured Alcohol / paint thinner sells for $15.00 a gallon, I camp a lot and use less then a gallon per year.

    BUTANE

    I don’t like butane stoves as it seems every stove maker has a different size tank and no store carries all the tanks and they are hard to find fuel for. Butane also is expensive and doesn’t like cold weather. I do have 1 butane stove and light and 20 tanks that I bought for $5.00 at a garage sale. If it weren’t for the garage sale find I would not have a butane stove.

    But if you are willing to buy a large supply of butane tanks you could get by with a butane stove. As far as I know you can’t refill butane tanks so they are a throw=away item. Butane is currently popular because it’s easy to use. Many butane stoves have pizo-ignition and they light like a modern home range. But I personally just don’t see butane as a SHTF fuel. But if you stock up on fuel it would be good for most situations.

    • Chuck Findlay,

      You could have emailed this to me for posting on the blog…

    • Yours is the first mention I have seen of a Svea stove. We have one that we used backpacking in the 70′s and many times since. Totally reliable, and very compact. We wouldn’t be without it.

    • white gas is the old world name for unleaded gas.Now it has the additives,so it won’t work as well

  18. Chuck Findlay says:

    As far as the smell of a wood fire drawing people in to give you problems, I don’t see it as a big problem in most situations. If it hits the fan there will be a lot of fires burning all over. You will be one of numerous people that has a fire.

    in a long-term Mad Max / Patriots fire may be a concern, but how likely is it that we are going to get a Mad Max world?

    You could also make a Dakota Fire Hole to hide the light from a fire and a they focus the heat in one direction, up so you need less wood and that means less smoke.

    Plus most cooking fires don’r need a lot of wood in the first place. A Hobo Stove made out of an empty V-8 can cooks well and uses only a few twigs.

    I use these kinds of stoves all the time when out camping. Not to get ready for Mad Max life, but because I like to camp, build things and I like to eat warm. good food.

  19. When I lived in an apartment without a stove I used a portable single burner propane stove. It works just as well as a regular indoor gas
    burner and has a blue flame.

    There are several different ones available on Amazon.

    But don’t buy the butane canisters online, because the shipping will
    be too much. I get mine from a local asian food supermarket and pay about $1.50 per can.

  20. Thomas The Tinker says:

    Thank You Packers for justifying, and the reinforcement of, all the ‘Fire preps’ I’ve put back all these years.

    I read several postings on ‘Rocket Stoves’ in here and built a few to see how to get one to work. settled on one made of old fire brick with an old stove grate on top. Moved it a couple of times to get it in the breeze. Saw the ‘Valcano’ stove. Watched a few Youtubes on it. Got one with propane rig and it fits my dutch oven. We’ve had a tri-fuel Coleman for years. Found a few propane lamps, heaters and single burners over the years. Keep an old steel fire pit out by our wood pile and 18 buckets of Charcoal stacked high and dry in the garage to feed the Valcano and the three… yepper 3 … baby, momma and poppa sized grills we’ve collected in the last – - years.

    We have done these things with the motivation youz guys in here have given us… and thank you………..

    • Ain’t that the truth, Tinker? I get more motivation from this crowd than any group I can think of. (Let’s exclude dotfed from the list since the kind’a motivation they give me ain’t constructive.)
      Seriously good group of folks here.
      Thanks, MD. :-D

    • If ur rocket stove was made of old brick, wasn’t it a bit heavy to move around much?
      I’ll look for the Volcano stove.

  21. An Old Smokey BBQ cooker is useful in that you can use small oak,hickory, pecan or mesquite twigs to fire it up. You can slow cook with a small fire & just keep adding small amounts of wood or charcoal, or you can get em blazing with a stack of small tinder & twigs. Lightweight & portable & last a long time,even sitting out in the weather.

  22. This is a weak spot in our prepping, I’ve collected a few different temporary means of cooking. I’d like to get a wood/propane or kerosene stove for our house (don’t have a very good place for one), but my dear spouse isn’t ready for that step. I’ve considered getting a stove & necessary accessories to store in the shed, until an emergency hits, which my spouse would likely accept.
    But I go back on forth on which type to get -we have a fair amount of woods for fuel in our area, but that’d require installing an exhaust pipe thru the ceiling & roof -not ideal. Another option would be a propane or kerosene (I’ve read the K-1 doesn’t smell as much as kero) burner or stove. & our funds are very limited too.

  23. Chuck Findlay says:

    RedC take a look at the Butterfly Kero stove. Kerosene last for years, it’s safe to store as it doesn’t generate explosive fumes like gasoline. I read someplace that 15% to 20% of he people on this planet use these stoves. I bought one and love the way it works.

    There were several things I wanted in a stove and this one did all of them.

    1: had to be safe for indoor use.

    2: Had to use a fuel that was safe, easy to store and lasted a long time in storage. Kerosene last for at least 8-years (from my research)

    3: Had to work for canning food. Many stoves only run for a short time and then need refilled. The Butterfly stove runs for 12-hours on a tank of fuel. More then long enough for canning.

    4: It had to be able to work with my camping oven so I could bake with it. I have not done this yet, but my oven sits on top of it and doesn’t move around.

    You need to assemble it from less-then-great instructions but looking at pictures, it’s not too hard to do.
    I did make 1 modification to it in that I replaced all the bolts with stainless bolts and nuts of the same size. This was not needed (it has good bolts) but I have a lot of stainless hardware on hand and I tend to do things like this.

    http://www.stpaulmercantile.com/index.php?action=store&item=ButterflyDoubleBurnerStove

  24. Chuck Findlay says:

    Uncle Charlie February 7, 2014 at 3:43 pm
    Don’t forget cooking with alcohol. There are marine models available with burners and an oven. If you are looking for long term survival, you can build a still which is legal if you get a permit. This can also be used as fuel for generators, automobiles etc. And if you cheat, you can drink it, just don’t tell the government.

    Steve Harris (He has several web sites, http://www.solar1234, http://www.knowledgepublications.com and a few others.) Sells a ready made still for making your own alcohol for fuel. I think it’s a few hundred dollars. You can hear him talk about it and all kinds of other energy production if you go to http://www.thesurvivalpodcast and search for Steve Harris, he’s been on Jacks show like 8 times.

  25. Encourager says:

    I have always wanted to have an outdoor kitchen. I imagine I would use a wood stove but I also have a two burner propane stove that would do. We heat with wood in the winter so have lots of firewood.

    Our kitchen is not air conditioned in the summer and it gets dang hot trying to can. I would rather have an area outside under the trees (lowest branches are 20 feet up) with screened sides to can in. A few fold-able tables for prep and even eating at and I would be all set.

    My son wants to make an outdoor pizza oven – the clay type. I would want the opening tall enough to bake bread in a pan and other casseroles, etc. Maybe I can talk him into doing that this summer…hmmmm.

  26. Of all of the synthetic nonrenewable fuels, propane is IMHO the best. Kept in a sealed container, it lasts indefinitely. One thing to be concerned about for long term storage of the 14 and 16 oz canisters is that they use a rubber or synthetic rubber/plastic ‘O” ring that can lose its flexibility. This may allow a canister to not seal properly when removing the connector and valve assembly. Just something to be aware of.

    I have a dual fuel Coleman stove that uses both “white gas” and unleaded regular gasoline, I don’t think there is much difference between the two fuels.

    Note that Kerosene comes in two types, normal Kerosene and K1 clear. The K1 has the sulfur and other contaminants removed, and are much preferred for indoor heating and any cooking.

    On the subject of rural mailboxes as stoves, there are some that will work, but ours, and most of those used by our neighbors are made by Rubbermaid. These are large, lightweight, and nearly indestructible, which is a good thing in the winter. In fact, ODOT has set us up a temporary mailbox until we can get our normal one reinstalled after being torn loose by the snowplows. This happens rather often, and although the post was broken, the mailbox survived once again

  27. Chuck Findlay says:

    OhioPrepper your snow plow mailbox problem reminded me of this old guy I use to know that lived in the country. Every year kids would drive by his house and they would use their car to knock down mail boxes. After a few years of this, he had enough. He sunk in an 8-inch pole and filled it with concrete, about a month later he went to check his mail and there was a car door laying there with a bit of yellow paint from the pole. Needless to say the mailbox problem went away.

    But you have to wonder what it did to the kid that was holding the door open. I will bet he rethought is mail box crime spree…

    • Chuck,
      This reminds me of a friend with the same problem (whose name was Charles, and actually went by Chuck). A car would drive by in the middle of the night and the mailboxes would be smashed with a baseball bat from someone leaning out the passenger window. After replacing several mailboxes, he replaced one and completely filled it with bricks. The next morning he found a piece of a broken baseball bat (the short small ones) in the ditch. The problem never happened again after that. I’m assuming someone had a sore arm and shoulder after that last occurrence. It appears that vandals do the same things all over the country.

      • Encourager says:

        We had this same problem. We finally mounted a “100% guaranteed from breaking” box on a section of an old telephone pole. When the flag got whacked off, they replaced it for free. We also found that time pieces of a chunk of wood that had been used to try and bash the box… that was over 10 years ago. The bashers skip us…

  28. Thank you Robert, nice post :D

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