A Mind Blowing Analysis of Obscure End Time Prophecies

by M.D. Creekmore on December 23, 2013 · 59 comments

This is a guest post by Scott G and entry for our non-fiction writing contest.

Earth-From-Space-300x300First off, this is NOT an attempt to convert anyone to any particular religion. It isn’t meant as an attempt to bash any particular religion. It is simply an analysis of obscure end time prophecies.

I’ve been doing a great deal of study on end time prophecies for the past year. Most notably are Matthew chapter 24. Daniel, Ezekiel and, the most famous, the Book of Revelations. I’m not going to get into any of those writings since they are so widely known. What I’ve been doing is researching the more obscure, but highly informative prophecies from a variety of sources.

In 1217 A.D., Rabbi Judah ben Samuel wrote the following:

“When the Ottomans conquer Jerusalem they will rule over Jerusalem for eight jubilees. Afterwards Jerusalem will become no-man’s land for one jubilee, and then in the ninth jubilee it will once again come back into the possession of the Jewish nation – which will signify the beginning of the Messianic end time.”

It should be noted that one jubilee is 50 years and the Ottoman Empire is the modern day Turks. The Empire took over Jerusalem in 1517 and was finally kicked out by the British in 1917. For the next 50 years, Jerusalem was arguably a no-man’s land until the Israelis beat the ever-living crap out of the Muslims and retook the city during the Six Day War in 1967.

This is where the prophecy ends, but we are now coming up to the end of the next jubilee. What happens in 2017? Makes one wonder, doesn’t it?

The next series of prophecies come from the Mormons. They don’t bode well for the future of our country. Many of the Mormon leaders made a series of prophecies regarding the fate of the United States, and the world in general. I will try and keep it brief, but there is a LOT of information that needs to be presented.

In 1844, Joseph Smith was purported to have made the following prophecy:

“There will be two great political parties in this country. One will be called the Republican, and the other the Democrat party. These two parties will go to war and out of these two parties will spring another party which will be the Independent American Party. The United States will spend her strength and means warring in foreign lands until other nations will say, “Let’s divide up the lands of the United States”, then the people of the U. S. will unite and swear by the blood of their fore-fathers, that the land shall not be divided. Then the country will go to war, and they will fight until one half of the [U. S. army will give up, and the rest will continue to struggle. They will keep on until they are very ragged and discouraged, and almost ready to give up—when the boys from the mountains will rush forth in time to save the American Army from defeat and ruin. And they will say, 'Brethren, we are glad you have come; give us men, henceforth, who can talk with God'. Then you will have friends, but you will save the country when it’s [sic] liberty hangs by a hair, as it were.”

He also stated that “there is a land beyond the Rocky Mountains that will be invaded by the heathen Chinese unless great care and protection are given.” (Prophecy: Key to the Future, Crowther, 1962)

This prophecy is interesting for several reasons. The Republican Party was not formally organized until 1854. There is no question that, ideologically, the Democrats and Republicans are at war. Neither party truly represents their constituents. Because of this the American Independent Party was formed in 1967. Its web site stated that this was because “…the leaders of the two existing parties…have deserted the principles and traditions of our nation’s founding fathers.”

Ever since WWII, the U.S. has been in dozens of wars and police actions. Since the end of WWII, there have been more than 100 types of police actions, including notable ones like Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Persian Gulf, Bosnia, Iraq and Afghanistan. If this isn’t spending our strength and means warring in foreign lands, I don’t know what is.

Anyone who has kept abreast of current events knows what China is doing. They are actively working to crash the dollar and becoming more and more militarized. Recently, a Chinese navy vessel tried to force a U.S. missile cruiser to stop in international waters and a general from the PLA threatened to nuke the U.S.

In 1960, Ezra Taft Benson, 13th president of the Mormon Church and Secretary of Agriculture under Eisenhower, also voiced warning against “socialistic communism” and specifically against the Chinese communists. He said that “there is little doubt that the leaders of Red China view war as inevitable and await only the propitious moment in which to strike.”

Would the Chinese invade the west coast if the opportunity presented itself? Obama is doing his level best to gut the military and bring in socialism. He’s doing everything he can to turn this country into a welfare society by following the Cloward-Piven strategy. Without question, our economy will collapse and riots will ensue when welfare recipients can’t use their EBT cards. What do you think the Chinese will think when they see this happening? What do you think the Russians will do?

Another thing to point out regarding Smith’s prophecy was the part about the army asking that men be sent to them, men “who can talk to God.” When you look at what the Dear Leader is doing to our military, you can see why this was stated. Obama is systematically purging the military of Christians – men who can talk to God. Any officer or NCO who doesn’t go along with Obama’s agenda is either being retired and/or persecuted under bogus, trumped up charges and driven from the military. Evangelical Christians have been specifically named by DHS and the military as potential terrorists.

Smith also stated in this and other prophecies that the U.S. Constitution would hang by a thread. With “progressives,” i.e., socialists/communists in power, there has been a systematic attack upon the Constitution. They are perverting, distorting and outright ignoring both the letter of the Constitution and its intent.

Obama is trying to have freedom of speech limited by the “Shield Law” introduced in the Senate. This law will specifically state who is considered a journalist and would exclude the alternative media. Freedom of religion is also under attack through Obamacare and forcing business owners to serve homosexuals against their conscience. One wedding cake baker is being threatened with a 12 month jail term if he refuses a court order to make a wedding cake for two homosexuals.

The 2nd Amendment is under attack in spite of the intent of the framers of the Constitution. This also is in spite of statistics that show that those states with the strictest gun laws have the highest violent crime. However, the 2nd Amendment, while it is for personal self-defence, was primarily intended to fight tyranny by the government. The Dear Leader knows this, but, again, in spite of him being a “constitutional scholar,” he ignores reality. The right against self-incrimination and right to unlawful search and seizure have been gutted by the Supremes.

I’d say that our Constitution is hanging by a thread.

From another early Mormon leader, Orson Pratt, is a prophecy regarding a second civil war that will be unlike other civil wars. This war would not be with two distinct factions fighting against each other. It would be a number of what appears to be mob actions, a series of civil wars.

“Do you wish me to describe it? I will do so. It will be a war of neighborhood against neighborhood, city against city, town against town, county against county, state against state, and they will go forth destroying and being destroyed and manufacturing will, in a great measure, cease, for a time, among the American nation. Why? Because in these terrible wars, they will not be privileged to manufacture, there will be too much bloodshed—too much mobocracy—too much going forth in bands and destroying and pillaging the land to suffer people to pursue any local vocation with any degree of safety. What will become of millions of the farmers upon that land? They will leave their farms and they will remain uncultivated, and they will flee before the ravaging armies from place to place; and thus will they go forth burning and pillaging the whole country.” (Journal of Discourses 20:151)

“The time will come when there will be no safety in carrying on the peaceable pursuits of farming or agriculture. But these will be neglected, and the people will think themselves well off if they can flee from city to city, from town to town and escape with their lives.” (Journal of Discourses 12:344)

What do you think will happen when the government is unable to continue its welfare subsidies? What happens when the stock market crashes? The Cloward-Piven strategy that is being followed by the Dear Leader is designed to crash the government as we know it. Unfortunately, I think it’s going to do more than just crash it as we know it with consequences these liberals can never foresee.

This was also foretold and reiterated by other Mormon leaders in the following statements:

“I have seen the end of this nation and it is terrible. I will tell you in the name of the Lord that a secret band will sap the life of this nation.” (Moses Thatcher, 1882)

“And do not think that these usurpations, intimidations, and impositions are being done to us through inadvertence or mistake; The whole course is deliberately planned and carried out; its purpose is to destroy the Constitution and our constitutional government; then to bring chaos, out of which the new Statism with its slavery is to arise, with a cruel, relentless, selfish, ambitious crew in the saddle, riding hard with whip and spur, a red-shrouded band of night riders for despotism.” (J. Reuben Clark, Jr., 1949)

“Concerning the United States, the Lord revealed to his prophets that its greatest threat would be a vast, worldwide ‘secret combination’ (conspiracy) which would not only threaten the United States but also seek to ‘overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations…’” (Ezra Taft Benson, 1961)

“The time will come when the banks in every nation will fail and only two places will be safe where people can deposit their gold and treasures…. A terrible revolution will take place in the land of America, such as has never been seen before; for the land will be literally left without a supreme government. And every species of wickedness will run rampant. Father will be against son, and son against father, mother against daughter, and daughter against mother. The most terrible scenes of murder and bloodshed and rapine that have ever been looked upon will take place. Peace will be taken from the earth and there will be no peace only in the Rocky Mountains. This will cause many hundreds and thousands of the honest in heart to gather there; not because they would be saints (Mormons) but for safety and because they would not take up the sword against their neighbor.” (Joseph Smith, 1843)

“It seemed though I was above the earth, and look­ing down upon it. As I passed along upon my way east I saw the road full of people, mostly women, with just what they could carry in bundles on their backs, trav­eling to the moun­tains on foot. I won­dered how they would get through with such a small pack on their backs. It was re­markable to us[?] that there were so few men among them. It didn’t seem to me as though the cars were run­ning, the rails looked rusty and the roads aban­doned; and I have no con­ception of how I traveled as I looked down upon the peo­ple.” (John Taylor, 1877)

The Mormons have consistently warned against a secret conspiracy that would take hold in the latter days. This conspiracy would threaten, not only the freedom of the United States, but, eventually the entire world. These predictions began surfacing in the 1830’s and have continued to this day. Socialism/communism has generally been identified as the perceived threat. All you need to do is look to the progressives in the government, the news outlets and Hollywood to see that this is true.

About the only positive thing about these prophecies is that they are ended by another prophecy that the good people who flock to the mountains will preserve the Constitution as it was originally intended. Not by how a bunch of progressives wish to twist it. It won’t be just by the Mormons, but all those good people. They will re-establish a government as was originally intended by the Founding Fathers. All of this is to immediately precede the Second Coming.

There are a lot more of these prophecies, but it’s interesting that so much of what was written is coming true or is poised to come true. Much of what I’ve researched comes from the book, “Prophecy: Key to the Future” by Duane Crowther. All anyone needs to do is simply pay attention to current events. What is happening to our country and the world is so obvious…to anyone but a liberal.

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Buckwheat December 23, 2013 at 10:37 am

thank you for this. I have been recently focused on Christian (sans Mormon), Catholic, and Jewish prophets and teachings. I had never considered the Mormon outlook/perspective. More out of lack of time. Although, now that I think about it, I was foolish not to do so. Let me digest this and I will back on the board posting more. I am learning something new everyday. Today is a new day to learn.

I do not know if it is easier to write a follow-up article as a guest that bolsters this one or to post in the comments.

Everything that I have found and cross referenced converges somewhat with what you are saying above. This is so deep and so wide that it is sometimes hard for me to grasp- even after all the time spent back checking and researching.

ALSO, keep in mind, that as soon as we start down the path of global conspiracy discussions – we will attract their attention. At first we will notice new trolls arrive on the board trying to pick apart the perimeter of the ideas presented and make fun. If you are reading this and trying to figure out who they are, they will rarely present facts – just distraction. They have entire teams that are dedicated to cause division and confusion to the point they will post under one name and respond under another. Some are better than others.

Nebraska Woman December 23, 2013 at 10:50 am

Wow. I hate to agree with you, but I do. Had tdl not been re-elected, I would have had some hope, but he was and I don’t.
I am not sure, however, about people who predict the future. There are more that are wrong than right. A friend of mine was a Seventh Day Adventist, and in the 70′s the church not only proclaimed the end of the world but also told all members to sell what they had and return to the church. Right…like that happened. My friend was one of the many disillusioned who left that church never to return.
I will believe the Bible. You have very good references which I will read.
Thanks. Well written and well researched.

Buckwheat December 23, 2013 at 11:35 am

Nebraska, This is one of the things that it was hard for me to get my hands around – it is a rigged game. The leaders on the left and the right have been (and are) involved in this global conspiracy. It is designed for republicans vs. liberals, black vs. white, catholic vs. prodestants, etc. all the while the puppet show distracts us from what is really happening.

You cannot ascend the presidency without the explicit and/or implicit blessing of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission. For example, Henry Kissinger (one of them came out and endorsed the NJ Gov. – you know immediately he will be a finalist and will do their bidding) They control the presidents and most, but not all, the world leaders. It does not stop there – who controls them? The short answer is the Illuminati. The leadership of which are the 13 bloodlines that have been around for a very, very long time. They are satanists at its most highest order and they are very real.

Other common factors of U.S. presidents are that they are 33rd degree or higher Freemasons and that they and their handlers are affiliated with the Bohemian Grove or other satanic sects (i.e., Skull and Bones).

As mentioned above, it is so vast and so wide, it is hard to break through to the realization that most everything that we see and know is not exactly as presented.

I know it sounds far-fetched. It took a while for me to make these conclusions. So, it is not without controversy. Remember, Jesus did discuss the amount of lies that we must endure before his arrival. He was not kidding…

Nebraska Woman December 23, 2013 at 1:40 pm

Buckwheat, don’t forget about the Bilderburgers. sp? Even the queen of England belongs to that organization, as do Henry Kissinger, General Petraeus, and every other banker on the planet.

Buckwheat December 23, 2013 at 2:11 pm

Hi Nebraska Woman, Yes, absolutely. There is a book about the Bilderbergers that I read a while back that outlines their role. The players you mentioned (British royal family included) are heavily involved. http://www.amazon.com/The-True-Story-Bilderberg-Group/dp/0979988624/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387824973&sr=8-1&keywords=bilderberg+group

They all sound so loving and well meaning with their humanism ideals (save the earth, save the children, save the tree frog, etc.). Notice when they push these lines, Christ is no where to be found.

I keep mentioning how vast of a problem that we face as a nation, as a people, and as God’s children. They are all players. I struggle with what to mention here and what to focus on because it is a conspiracy of biblical proportions. The world is asleep or entranced by right vs. left or black vs. white or haves vs. have nots. We are not watching the puppet master only the puppets.

Every lie is being formed in a way that it seems completely believable or use only half truths. Not everyone that involved know that they are involved in this. There are people that just tow a line (ie, liberals think that they are on mission to save the planet with progressive socialism from those greedy corporate republicans) all the while they are just pushing the communist agenda (see movie Grinding Down of America). The Communists are pushing their agenda through the progressives, who are just playing into the hands of the New World Order. It sounds crazy doesn’t it? This has been planned for a very, very long time.

1MoreBoyScout February 15, 2014 at 12:43 pm

Amen to that. Enduring & preparing is what it is all about. There a great number of profits out there. Some with great information, some with partial. Some have made some fantastic predictions.. But only the Father knows when the hour will be.

axelsteve December 23, 2013 at 11:16 am

As far as the end, only god knows,niether Jesus or the angels do.

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Buckwheat December 23, 2013 at 2:14 pm

Absolutely, no one knows the day or the hour of the second coming. However, once the tribulation clock starts, the timing becomes much more specific (seven years).
And at the end of the day, it is really irrelevant as to who or what the New World Order is or is not. What is relevant is that you are awake and able to spot what is happening so that you are unable to be deceived and stop the deceit with others.

1MoreBoyScout February 15, 2014 at 12:44 pm

That’s right.

Seamus Finn December 23, 2013 at 11:16 am

Well at first I was rather startled by the title. I don’t like prophecies. It’s not that I don’t BELIEVE they might be right (after all, why not??) but they often get all confused and mixed up.

But that analysis was good ^^ I liked it. I’m almost sure it’s total bogus, but notice how “almost” doesn’t mean “entirely” =P

All I got to say is YARP : Yet another reason to prepare (coined by Survival Mom)

1MoreBoyScout February 15, 2014 at 12:47 pm

I like YARP.

Ronald December 23, 2013 at 11:46 am

As much as the end go’s I have to agree with Axle and Sheamus if its not in the bible I pretty much don’t let it bother me.

Thomas December 23, 2013 at 1:01 pm

I’ll take Introduction to the Mormons for $100 Alex.

While I enjoy a good prophecy, I don’t recognize Joseph Smith and his successors as prophets or speaking for God in any way. Why? Because they have been repeatedly and obviously wrong on many occasions, from New Jerusalem being in Missouri (still waiting on that one) to the curse of Cain on black folks to mistranslated Egyptian writing of the Book of Abraham. God’s standard is always right or not a prophet, so I’ll stick with that thanks.

Jim December 24, 2013 at 1:10 am

While I am not suggesting one church or another, I always find the idea that there are no modern prophets a curious one. It seems to me that God loves all of his children (yes, even us) and sends prophets to help guide them. I hope this is that case as we are all in grave need of guidance. The Bible is great and I find very helpful specific guidance in there all the time, but it is hard for me to see why good God-loving folks can’t have a prophet or prophets, even know.

I appreciate this article as this type of information is outside my normal reading. Take it with a grain of salt, if you must, but keeping an open mind may help someday.

Scott December 24, 2013 at 3:06 pm

Are you sure there are no modern prophets? The Bible teaches that God is the same yesterday, today and forever. That means he doesn’t change. What he was yesterday, he is the same today. What he did, his pattern of doing things that he did yesterday, he will do today. If you think in this way it will bring up some interesting ideas.

God’s pattern as born out in the Old Testament is that he called prophets to reveal his word to man. The Old Testament is nothing more than the record of thousands of years of God calling prophets. He gave them his word, which the prophet at the time wrote down. These writings became scripture. So we have thousands of years of prophets who wrote scripture.

If God is the same yesterday, today and forever, why would he stop calling prophets? Why would he stop revealing his word to them and why would they stop writing it down, in turn creating scripture?

Amos 3:7 says, “Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.”

The New Testament follows this same pattern. Christ, arguably a prophet in addition to being the Son of God, called his Twelve Apostles, also prophets who received revelation. They wrote it down and it became scripture.

Ephesians 4:11–15 says:
And he gave some, apostles; and some, PROPHETS; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Are we all in a unity of the faith? Are we still tossed to and fro? Are we carried about by every wind of doctrine?

Something to think about.

Thomas December 25, 2013 at 11:52 am

Just for clarity, my point was not about there being no prophets (there are not but that’s not the point), but that the Mormon idea that Joseph Smith and some appointed guys in Salt Lake are prophets is obviously wrong as prophets according to God’s standard are never, ever wrong and Joseph Smith was by a whole bunch of standards wrong in a number of his supposed prophecies. Thus, per the Biblical standard he is a false prophet. As I said, still waiting on New Jerusalem in Missouri.

The gift of prophecy remains, but read the Book of Hebrews starting with Hebrews 1:

In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son..

The entire point of Hebrews is that the prophets, the priests and the OT system is not needed anymore because we have Jesus who is immeasurably better. Hence no need for men who are claiming to be prophets and who currently just distort Jesus’ message for their own gain.

Ah Crap December 25, 2013 at 3:02 pm

Why are the 10 Commandments still applicable today? Why are they still held as valid? As for the Old Testament no longer being valid, Christ came to fulfil the law of Moses, which was the law of sacrifice. He also came to fulfil the prophecies of all the earlier prophets. The Mosaic law was instituted because the Israelites were pagans and couldn’t live the 10 Commandments. The Israelites had to be told step-by-step exactly how to conduct their lives because they were so indoctrinated/conditioned by the Egyptians to believe in pagan gods.

Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

If the Old Testament is inapplicable for today’s Christians, then why do we tithe? Tithing can be found as far back as Abraham when he paid tithes to Melchizedek, king of Salem. I pay 10% of my income. Why are the books of Daniel and Ezekiel still searched for its end time prophecies? Why quote Proverbs or any other scripture from the Old Testament? For that matter, why did Christ and his apostles quote from it?

As quoted above, you’re ignoring Eph 4:11: And he gave some, apostles; and some, PROPHETS; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

What you’re saying is that God is a changeable God since he ignored his own pattern of 4000 years of calling prophets to speak for him. It doesn’t make any sense.

Thomas December 26, 2013 at 11:34 am

Why are the 10 Commandments still applicable today? Why are they still held as valid? As for the Old Testament no longer being valid, Christ came to fulfil the law of Moses, which was the law of sacrifice. He also came to fulfil the prophecies of all the earlier prophets. The Mosaic law was instituted because the Israelites were pagans and couldn’t live the 10 Commandments. The Israelites had to be told step-by-step exactly how to conduct their lives because they were so indoctrinated/conditioned by the Egyptians to believe in pagan gods.
Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.


Breaking down your points, first, the Law was given as part of the covenant between the Nation of Israel and God as Israel got ready to enter the Promised Land. I am not and I would wager that you are not a member of the Nation of Israel living in the Promised Land so it hard to see how the Law, all 613 commands of it would apply.

Second, though it was given to instruct the Isrealites, it was also according to the Bible given to show man their sinful nature and resultant need for a Savior – to show man that our works are worthless when compared to the standard of God:

Romans 7:7-9
What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died.


Galatians 3:23-25
Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, tin order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian

2 Corinthians 3:7-9

But if the ministry that produced death – carved in letters on stone tablets – came with glory, so that the Israelites could not keep their eyes fixed on the face of Moses because of the glory of his face (a glory which was made ineffective), 8 how much more glorious will the ministry of the Spirit be? 9 For if there was glory in the ministry that produced condemnation, how much more does the ministry that produces righteousness excel in glory!

The very point of the Law was that it was impossible for man to be Holy in the sight of God based upon his works, as Paul says in 2 Corinthians 3:7, our works under the law produce death, so man needed the a perfect man to do it in his place. The Law was therefore not fulfilled until the one who could keep it perfectly came and was offered as our last and greatest sacrifice. The Law’s purpose was symbolically lived out every year when the entire nation of Israel made the trip to Jerusalem for the Day of Atonement, where the entire nation was brought before God on account of their sins.

With the coming of Jesus, the law of grace, the law of Jesus the Messiah that was spoken about by God as early as Genesis 3 takes over where the Mosaic law left off (and no, there is nothing wrong with the law, man is just weak):

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.2

Ephesians 2:14-17
For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.

Romans 6:14-15

For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

John 1:17
7 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

If the Old Testament is inapplicable for today’s Christians, then why do we tithe? Tithing can be found as far back as Abraham when he paid tithes to Melchizedek, king of Salem. I pay 10% of my income.

I did not say that the OT was inapplicable, just that the OT system established by the Mosaic law was no longer in place. We give because we are supposed to give since Jesus gives us everything we have and He gave everything to us. If you follow the general rule of Jesus, his standards are always higher than the OT on murder, lust etc, it would seem that the OT guideline would be low or different. The practice of tithing 10% while commendable and useful for a guideline is no where commanded in the New Testament.

Why are the books of Daniel and Ezekiel still searched for its end time prophecies? Why quote Proverbs or any other scripture from the Old Testament? For that matter, why did Christ and his apostles quote from it?

Again, I am not discounting the OT, it’s the inspired Word of God. I am referring to the Law. Daniel and Ezekiel and Proverbs are not part of the Law. The Mosaic law is also the Holy Word of God btw, we just don’t live under it.

As quoted above, you’re ignoring Eph 4:11: And he gave some, apostles; and some, PROPHETS; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Forgive me here, I was unclear in my terminology. I was referring to prophets similar to the OT version and similar to what is put forth by the LDS Church. I agree that the gift of prophecy is valid and used by God to speak to the church. My point as I stated with the verse from Hebrews is that the revelation from God was accomplished through the prophets originally but became perfected through Jesus. Once Jesus came and allowed us into God’s family and became our sole mediator between God and man, the role of the Prophets, the Isaiah’s, Samuel’s etc was fulfilled forever by Jesus and the Holy Spirit. No longer is there a need to ask Nathan whether it was ok to build the Temple, just ask the sole mediator Jesus.

What you’re saying is that God is a changeable God since he ignored his own pattern of 4000 years of calling prophets to speak for him. It doesn’t make any sense.

I’ll refer you again to the Book of Hebrews – much like the High Priest was a picture of who was to come, Jesus the better High Priest, and teh pasover lamb was a picture of the better eternal sacrifice, the prophets were pictures of the better eternal mediator and spokesman to come, Jesus. No change, just God following his plan that he has always had.

Mike December 23, 2013 at 1:25 pm

As far as the welfare state is mentioned, this is what greatly concerns me too. our welfare is decades older than yours, and we are now seeing a fourth generation of people who have never, ever, ever worked in their lives.

So what happens when the government can no longer supply them with a life?

You got it. Mass rioting by those who cannot and don’t want to provide for themselves.

It’s going to be chaos. Apocalyptic even.

Buckwheat December 23, 2013 at 1:45 pm

Yes, that is part of the plan. Both the Illuminati and the New World Order (pretty much one in the same as one controls the other) are planning to institute as much chaos as possible via a World War and financial collapse to gain control of us. It is one central premise to their plan, so much so that they have a slogan, “Order Out of Chaos”. The solution to the chaos, when everyone (that are still alive) is the New World Order. This is the substitution of Government for God in that all “good” things will come from it. They want so much pain that we are begging for order. This is kinda like we were begging for more “security” after 9/11, we got a security state.

Michigan Mike December 23, 2013 at 4:19 pm

I hit the wrong cue. Sorry! I think you’re catching on Buckwheat. It is true the secular left wants to replace God with the State.

Ah Crap December 24, 2013 at 3:09 pm

I think TDL is hoping for some massive natural disaster so he can fully implement his plans. If a convenient disaster doesn’t come along, he’ll create one to implement martial law. This way he can stay in power at the end of his coronation.

Larry December 23, 2013 at 1:55 pm

Not to Bash on Mormons, because I follow their food program, and their preparedness programs,and they have very good morals.. But I must say,

Aside from the obvious fact that debunking prophecies is as simple as spending a few minutes in front of your computer doing a little research.. such as Joseph Smith’s,”purported Prophecy” .. Anyone who has the ability of putting 2=2 together.. with respect to the issues that are closely watched by the public, like the formation of the republican party, which was front and center discussion since the 1820′s and going back even further Thomas Jefferson coining the phrase ” Democratic Republican party”… A person Just cant put to much stock into these “Prophets” and visionaries.. Past or present.

Wasnt it Spencer W. Kimball that had a MARCH 1978 “revelation” and told by god to allow blacks to hold the priesthood?? could it be because their 501 tax status would be challenged?? interestingly enough,in MARCH 1977, President carter brought it to his attention ( maybe thats why They lean republican??),.. and by gods revelation, Black were then allowed to hold the priesthood almost a year to the date.. i have nothing against Mormons, they are very fine people, But I think any organization whether it be Mormons, 700 clubbers, bob Jones University people or the Benny Hinn crowd that claim to be able to foresee the future above and beyond the obvious events that shape the unintended consequences, are just normal people following an issue and predicting the obvious…

Elevating normal, mortal people and putting them on a pedestal is why we are in this mess in the first place, lets not keep making the same mistakes over and over again, expecting different results.

Curt S December 23, 2013 at 2:17 pm

Yup….to me what he said makes a lot of sense. Take a close look at is what is really going on….and has been going on since WWII. To be honest, IMHO, we are being played like a fish caught on a line. For a long long time now I have had the feeling that all this disscension between the Dems and Repubs in nothing but a smoke screen. Sad to say, our “elections” are rigged. Phony voters, missing ballots, and candidates that are well……bottom of the barrel imo. We have what…..300 million or so people in this country…..and we in reality are forced to choose the least worst as leaders??? Something smells!!! Our Justice department is broken, has been for some time now. Matter of fact…..the whole damm gov’t is nothing but smoke and mirrors. Propheises…..Hell..all one has to do it look at what is going on around them. What I believe will happen will be what amounts to a total reset as it were. It is NOT going to pretty. It will take a few generations for us to get back to what we were…..even then I doubt it will resemble what we have lost. Sad……..

Patriot Dave December 23, 2013 at 2:38 pm

While I do not think that Mormons are God’s prophets, I cannot rule out that God could use them for his Glory. After all, God gave Pharaoh, an unbeliever, the dream about the 7 good years and 7 bad years. God used a donkey to speak to Belaam. God wrote on the wall and gave dreams to other unbelievers, Belteshazzar and Nebuchadnezzar and so on.
If Mormons were under Mosaic law, they would all have been stoned to death for their innacuracies. BTW, I was told once that the prophecy about “men who speak to God” meant the Mormons would rescue America and then rule it.

Having said that, some of the predictions do sound plausible and appear to come out of a survivalist novel. Novelists don’t claim to be phophets, but try to make rational predictions based on current events and historical actions. For example, if every attempt at socialism has failed, I could predict that the current attempt will also fail. Right now our enemies could see us as being weak, in debt and stretched thin and try to take advantage of this. That has been predicted alot recently. But to see it over 100 years ago is what makes this interesting.

Uncle Charlie December 23, 2013 at 3:11 pm

Should this be under fiction instead of non-ficton? What will come will come. Speculation can be interesting but…

bobbo December 23, 2013 at 3:25 pm

I feel that 1 day the world will end-I can do nothing about that, hence I don’t think about it. I know that throughout the milenia there have been times of political upheaval & natural catastrophes…..I can’t prevent those either, but I can prep to try to ensure my loved ones & myself can survive, hopefully thrive. That’s all, except for have a Blessed & Merry Christmas & a Happy Joyous New Year!

Navy Ken December 23, 2013 at 3:37 pm

Forget all the prophesies for only the father know the day and the hour. Until then continue to pray, Care for your fellow man, give a full tithe and teach the word. We prep because of localized disasters whether they are caused by man or nature. When the Lord returns and the prophesy truly begins not all the preps in the wild will help you but for living in Christ. If you know that when you go to the Father and you know he will say “well done my good and faithful servant” then you have nothing to fear. But be warned there will be many false prophets and those that claim to be the messiah do not be fooled.

Karen December 24, 2013 at 7:38 am

Navy Ken, well said.

Shalom Shalom to all and Bo Yeshua Bo

PGCPrepper December 23, 2013 at 4:58 pm

I just want a new puppy.

Jim December 24, 2013 at 1:13 am

May I suggest a German Shepherd? Very sweet and very effective at making bad guys nervous.

Ah Crap December 24, 2013 at 3:13 pm

Rottweilers are nice, too.

patientmomma December 23, 2013 at 5:03 pm

A very thought provoking article and very interesting comments from the pack. I know a little bit about a lot of religions as I have lived all over the world (thanks to my military dad) and been exposed to many philosophies. I think God uses whom ever is willing to do His work, no matter what faith they profess. There are good and bad people in every religion, company or political party, and there’s both true and false research on the internet; so we just have to depend on the spirit of discernment to guide our thoughts.

I googled the references provided in the article and “The Journal of Discourses is not an official publication of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is a compilation of sermons and other materials from the early years of the Church, which were transcribed and then published. It included some doctrinal instruction but also practical teaching, some of which is speculative in nature and some of which is only of historical interest.”

“The content of the Journal of Discourses was transcribed, sometimes inaccurately, and published between 1854 and 1886 in England. The compilation contains some statements of doctrine as well as other materials of interest to Latter-day Saints who lived far from the center of the Church, including speeches given for a variety of occasions, funeral addresses, reports from returning missionaries, prayers, and the proceedings of a trial. The Journal of Discourses was produced under the guidance of those who transcribed the materials, including George D. Watt, David W. Evans, and George W. Gibbs.”

It is difficult to triangulate something coming in the future, however, if you spend the time researching, you will discover other folks like old testament prophets, Christ’s apostles and Nostradamus has similar visions of the last days with varying degrees of details. Excellent discussion!

Russ December 23, 2013 at 7:32 pm

Mormon prophecy I would not trust at all. Their Book of Mormon is full of mistakes (overflows with historical mistakes!!). However, the real Bible does not have mistakes and is only trustworthy when it comes to prophecy. I would rather trust a Bible that has NEVER been wrong, the KJV, regarding any prophecy!!

Ah Crap December 23, 2013 at 8:21 pm

Really? What about the controversy of being saved by grace or saved by works?

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

James 2:14-26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Kitty December 23, 2013 at 9:23 pm

Wow, Crap, if you read that over again you’ve got the answer right there. Faith saves, but a faith that doesn’t change your “works”, isn’t demonstrated by your “works” or “behavior” isn’t really faith. Faith is something you demonstrated in your “works or behavior every day, every hour.

Nebraska Woman December 23, 2013 at 10:40 pm


Ah Crap December 23, 2013 at 11:43 pm

Completely correct. You can say, “I believe in Jesus,” all day long, but if it doesn’t change your behavior through good deeds, your faith is in vain.

Matt 7:14
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Ah Crap December 24, 2013 at 12:06 am

It isn’t the Bible making the mistakes. It’s the people who translated the Bible from the original Hebrew, to Aramaic to Greek then to old English who make mistakes. What about their own prejudices as to what was meant by a particular passage? What if they didn’t agree with what they were reading and decided to change it to what they thought it should mean? And then when people read the Bible, they interpret it according to their own prejudices in spite of the admonition by Peter.

2 Pet 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

How do you know it’s riddled with mistakes? Have you ever read the Book of Mormon? Have you done any independent research into what it contains? Or, are you simply going by what other people have said?

I’m not advocating that you run out and find yourself a Mormon and join his church, but if you haven’t found out for yourself what the book teaches and, instead, take someone else’s word for it, including (especially) any preacher with his own axe to grind, you are doing yourself a disservice.

Karen December 24, 2013 at 7:55 am

Ah Crap, spot on! After studying the book Copernicus and the Jews I had an AH HA moment. All the verses in the KJV Bible that didn’t make sense to me throughout my “Christian” life was explained. When you have a people (Greeks) rewriting the Word of God as originally written by (Hebrews) there are going to be errors. There are words or meanings in Hebrew that didn’t exist in Greek. Hence the transliteration issues. I had to forget what I “thought” the KJV Bible said and re-read/study my One New Man Bible, what an eye opener!

Robert in the South December 23, 2013 at 9:50 pm

As a Mormon, I take these prophesies with a grain of salt because it is difficult to verify if these quotes are authentic. There are more than enough real end time prophesies from actual Mormon scripture to focus on rather than someone’s second-hand story of what Joseph Smith may or may not have said.

For those interested in the topic, here is a small list of Mormon End Time prophesies.

President Ezra Taft Benson said in 1986 that the Constitution would be saved by freedom loving citizens and enlightened Mormons.

Here is an brief excerpt:
“I have faith that the Constitution will be saved as prophesied by Joseph Smith. It will be saved by the citizens of this nation who love and cherish freedom. It will be saved by enlightened members of this Church—men and women who will subscribe to and abide the principles of the Constitution.
I reverence the Constitution of the United States as a sacred document. To me its words are akin to the revelations of God, for God has placed His stamp of approval on the Constitution of this land. I testify that the God of heaven sent some of His choicest spirits to lay the foundation of this government, and He has sent other choice spirits to preserve it.”
Here is a 2 minute video excerpt

Here is the full speech

Bam Bam December 24, 2013 at 1:49 am


Thank you for posting the links. I know very little about prophesy or Mormonism. These are topics I would like to read more about and having good sources is so helpful.

Scott December 24, 2013 at 2:51 am

The best way to look at it is whether or not they come true. The LDS church has neither confirmed nor denied these prophecies as truth. However, you can see the truth in many of them simply by what is happening in the world today.

I didn’t write a tenth of what I’ve researched. Several subsequent church leaders have referenced most of what Joseph Smith allegedly stated. The true test for any prophet is whether or not what they say comes true. Only time will tell.

Donna in MN December 24, 2013 at 12:08 am

It comes to a known conclusion that was talked about by a mormon. A country is free with a few organized laws. But people are not satisfied and keeps writing new laws. It moves further left. More laws and more government, yet the people will not be happy on any side of the equation. It eventually gets pushed far left into socialism with corruption and propiganda from a few who rule, then marxism, then communism. It becomes so repressive people revolt and it turns to anarchy. Anarchy settles for a while, then the country gets it’s act together and makes a few organized laws again.

CountryVet December 24, 2013 at 10:23 am

While we may not know “the day or the hour” of HIS return, we were admonished to look to the “sign of the fig tree.” In this part of the country this year the young fig trees have shown PHENOMENAL growth AND the mature trees set a second crop which was much heavier than their first “natural crop.” Here gardens of the faithful have produced in Devine provision amounts while “others” who have in the past been very successful had marginal to very poor results in thier gardens this year. As amazing as it sounds, the produce from our garden came in in “full pressure cooker” quantities. Lots of quarts or pints depending on the product that evenly filled the cookers- again and again thru the season. Slow germination fall plants like parsnip came up in 3-4 days, NOT the usual 21+ days.
At the same time we are under full siege from the varmits against our livestock and the cut ants against our plants.
SOMETHING IS FOR SURE GOING ON! We had best pay attention. I believe “the time draws nigh.”

Alex December 24, 2013 at 11:01 am

Very interesting, I’ll be looking further into this. Thanks for posting it MD!

mike December 24, 2013 at 11:33 am

this is definitely a bleak picture of our country being painted by this article. this would account for why so many good people who started out with good intentions when elected to office suddenly get swept up in the onslaught of temptation and corruption of washington d.c. fearless leader excluded of course. this makes one wonder what kind of catastrophic event it will take to initiate this kind of scenario being played out. one can prep all they want but how does one prep for this scenario. need to give it much thought. scarey to say the least

Ah Crap December 25, 2013 at 2:44 pm

If there isn’t a natural event, then one can be easily manufactured.

Son of Liberty December 24, 2013 at 2:54 pm

Though I am an evangelical Christian, I can see great similarities from apocryphal literature as written in Scripture with these ‘prophecies’ given by various ‘prophets’ of the Mormon church. In fact, Wood’s book, “DISCOVERY TO CATASTROPHE,” outlines, and deals with a number of scenarios quite similarly to that taught by the LDS church.

Though it leads up to book number two by Wood which elaborates on biblical events immediately prior to the revelation of the anti-Christ, you will find common threads with these prophecies interwoven throughout.

Maybe the Lord is attempting to alert and awaken us to what will happen, regardless of who he sends the message through. The Lord used numerous means/methods throughout Scripture to convey His message, and I’m thrilled people are beginning to awaken to the message of His soon return.


Son of Liberty

mom of three December 24, 2013 at 4:01 pm

The rapture, has not come yet until then it’s a waiting game for all of us. I would not worry to much give your worries to him . GOD, won’t give us more then we can handle. Stay focus on him and the word of GOD, he will deliver us. I just keep doing what I am suppose to do and the rest will follow. Have a blessed and very Merry Christmas, to all.

LyndaKay December 24, 2013 at 4:16 pm

Thank you for your post. It’s worth re-reading.

KDK December 25, 2013 at 8:37 am

2014 is the make or break year for the takeover of the USA. If something is not done to stop it this year, there could very well be civil war looming.

lea December 29, 2013 at 9:41 am

Dear Sir,As most people you wrote Revelations,
It is not Revelations.The book of the Bible is “REVELATION”. Thank you.

lea December 29, 2013 at 10:10 am

Dear Sir,As most people you wrote Revelations,
It is not Revelations.The book of the Bible is “REVELATION”. Thank you.
P.S.The Deuteronomy 4:2, the BIBLE KJV States “You shall not add to the word which I command you,nor take ANYTHING from it,that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you…..The mormon book does just that…thxs.lea.

Robert in the South January 1, 2014 at 8:43 pm

The Book of Mormon doesn not claim to add or take away from anything written in the Bible. And if you use your logic, then you shouldn’t read anything else in the Bible after Deuteronomy because that would be adding to the word.

To all the honest and open minded truth seekers I say this. Read the Book of Mormon and compare it to what you read in the Bible. Then make up your own mind. I have read both and they are both the Word of God. Jesus said by their fruits ye shall know them. The Book of Mormon is the “fruit” of Joseph Smith. So look to the Book of Mormon and use that to judge for yourself if Joseph Smith was a prophet or not.

Thomas January 4, 2014 at 11:29 am

Wow, that fruit argument is some tortured logic. If you read the book of Mormon on its own it doe s read similar to the Bible, lots of similar people and topics. But as a Christian our direction is not just to see how we feel about it, the heart is deceptive and wicked, but to compare it with the Gospel. It is in comparing the two that the book of Mormon fails miserably. It cannot be the Wod of God as it conflicts with the Word of God over and over again. Not to .mention that it conflicts with the actual translation of the only source documents that Joseph Smith allowed anyone to see. The Dead Sea scrolls prove the accuracy of the Bible, that it was not corrupted as alleged and the Book of Abraham proves the inaccuracy of Smith’s alleged translation.

Believe what you will, but the Bible is the Bible, the Book of Mormon is a different thing all together.

1MoreBoyScout February 15, 2014 at 1:37 pm

A thousand years of peace. Then the complete finality will come to be. I wonder if the “Original 13″ will have a front row seat for the (pardon my french) “Grandest ass-whoopin of them all” ! I and my family & all it’s tributaries, believe the Bible to be of the guiding word of God. As sinning humans, we all fall short of keeping it’s teachings.
The groups that this countries governing bodies stand behind, (which is not God but the contrary) are sorely confused by the great confuser himself. (Satan) As the countdown draws closer, more & more people will not have the ability to discern between the truth, & the crap we/they are currently being fed. I am so very glad to see the amount of individual’s in this wolfpack that are aligned with God. It clearly show’s that there IS more to being prepared, than physical survival, but spiritual survival not only “as well”, but first & foremost. Great food for thought

1MoreBoyScout February 15, 2014 at 1:38 pm

I love being moderated for speaking my mind !! It’s ok, I’m used to it..

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