Are recent mass shootings false flag events to gain support for a repeal of the Second Amendment?

Sandy hook shooting a hoax?

Sandy hook shooting a hoax?

Update: Sandy hook shooting a hoax?

”After publishing this article, some folks saw the need to contact me just to let me know that I was crazy, out of touch and completely wrong on every point… Of course they had no answers, other than what they had been told by the media… Yep, the main stream media now that is a reliable source of information.

Anyway, I did not say that the attacks were false flag events – I don’t know if they were or not. What I said was that both of the shootings had the earmarks of such, and that there is a lot of unanswered questions. And the police threatening to arrest anyone reporting anything but the official version of events did not help curtail theories of what actually happened.

And let’s not forget about the recent “Operation Fast and Furious” where Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and the Obama Administration sent thousands of “assault weapons” across the border into Mexico where they were used to kill an unknown number of people including American border patrol agent Brian Terry.

Well, if you remember when  the Mexican drug cartels started killing people by the truckload with those guns that the ATF had provided them, the gun banners,  here in the U.S. started calling for tighter gun laws in the U.S. to curb the “gun violence” in Mexico (I think Senator Feinstein was one of those).

Then it was leaked in the press, that the guns being used in the murders and mass killings were supplied by the ATF and the United Stated Government . Also see this article from CBS news Documents: ATF used “Fast and Furious” to make the case for gun regulations

Folks I don’t know about you but that looks like a false flag to me… and as we all know history repeats itself…

Were the Aurora Movie Theater and Sandy Hook shooting false flag events that were engineered by unknown individuals or organizations to gain support for gun bans, or a complete repeal of the Second Amendment?

I don’t know if the shooting were “false flag operations” or not but judging from the emails that have flooded my inbox since the Sandy Hook shooting, many folks are starting to think that something just ain’t right with the “news coverage” that they are being spoon feed by the main stream media…

For those that don’t already know false flag events are planned acts (mostly by governments) to perpetrate a disaster or attack, then blame it on someone else then use that event to gain support of the population for their agenda (i.e. war abroad, pretext to a police state), and to persuade the population to willingly relinquish their rights and freedom for their own safety.

Let’s look at an example of a typical false flag event – This could be a planned terrorist attack carried out by operatives of a political group or government inside ones own country, that is blamed (with evidence and the unquestioning coverage of the media, of course) on another country or group as an excuse to go to war, pass restrictive unconstitutional laws ect.

Or as Wikipedia defines it:

False flag operations are covert operations conducted by   governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to deceive the public in such a way that the operations appear  as if they are being carried out by other entities.

Declassified documents give undeniable proof that false flag event have been carried out by the U.S. government, as well as others in the past –  many folks believe that 911 was such an event.

Here are a couple of examples of U.S. government false flag operations that have been declassified:

  • Operation Northwoods – The 1960s U.S. Government plan to carry out terrorist attacks on U.S. citizens then blame it on Cuba to gain support of the American population for an attack on Cuba. The idea was rejected by the Kennedy administration.
  • Gulf of Tonkin incident – This false flag operation was perpetrated by the U.S. government to gain support for the Vietnam war.

Also see: A brief history of false flags

While it could have been just a lone psycho path pulling the trigger at both mass shooting with no connection to any organization or government entity, both events have all the hallmarks of staged “false flag” events.

The first media reports were all over the place after the Sandy Hook shooting, initially it was reported that there was possibly a second shooter at the scene, they also said that the shooter(s) wore a “bullet proof vet”, they then reported that two handguns were found inside the school and an AR-15 was found outside in the car that the shooter had driven to the school.

Now they’re reporting that there was only one shooter using an AR-15 rifle to commit those horrendous acts of murder… Where is the guy that the police arrested in the woods near the school after the shooting? Was he the second shooter? Was he the “handler”? If not then who was he?

Video : Sandy Hook Elem Witness Saw 2nd Shooter in Handcuffs …

Video : SandY Hook another shooter captured in the woods by police…

Were are the witnesses and their first hand accounts of what happened outside and inside the school? Why did the state police threaten to arrest anyone questioning the official story that was being released by the media (government controlled media btw)?

Video : CT Police Threaten to Arrest Anyone Who Questions Their Version of the Story

And let’s not forget the inconsistencies that were reported after the Aurora, Colorado theater shooting….

The Colorado theater killer first opens fire on a theater full of people, then he surrenders to police without any resistance, he then warns police that his apartment has been booby-trapped with explosives. If the intention is to kill as many people as possible as would be the case with such an event, why warn the police?

If he had not planned to harm the police (whom he would have known would be raiding his apartment after the incident) why would he have gone through the trouble of and cost of booby-trapping the apartment in the first place? According to a reports the IE devices found inside the apartment were very sophisticated.

Where did he learn to make such sophisticated and deadly IE devices? He was never in the military, and I don’t remember any reports of any military manuals on the subject being found or websites with such information being visited by him where he could have learned how to build such devices.

Did he learn to make such devices on his own… or did he have help? We’ll probably never know…

Also another question that many folks have asked is how did afford to buy all of this stuff? According to reports he was unemployed, yet some how did he managed to buy thousands of dollars worth of weapons, S.W.A.T. gear, ammo and components for constructing IE devices and booby-traps…

Where did that money come from? How and where did he lean how to put together such sophisticated IE devices? Why did he use a gun when he supposedly possessed knowledge of how-to-build sophisticated IE devices, would it have not made more sense for him to have used one of these IE devices inside the theater instead of a gun? He could have been miles away when it happened…

And everyone seems to have forgotten about the second gas mask that was reportedly found at found at the far end of the parking lot of the theater… Why would a lone shooter need two such masks?

Also, as was the case with the Sandy Hook murders first reports coming from the Colorado theater shooting where that there was a possible second suspect that was involved… And while it could be a just a coincidence, the fact that both shooters are reported to have used the same type of rifle makes me want to look deeper.

Something just don’t seem right about all of this….

Could the confusion, along with the ever-changing and conflicting reports by the media from both mass shootings simply be the result of reporter error or simply the updating of information as it became available at the scene? Or could it have been due to agenda-driven reporting by the media?

Or could there be more to all of this than we are being told? Could one or both shootings have been planned false flag events to gain public support for a repeal of the Second Amendment? Or were they as we have been told the actions of lone gunmen…?

We will probably never know… but one thing is certain and that is that it is working great to gain public support for a gun ban agenda… As Hilary Clinton has said in the past…

“Never waste a good crisis”

What do you think? Are recent mass shooting false flag events or the simply the actions of a lone shooter?

About M.D. Creekmore

M.D. Creekmore is the owner and editor of He is the author of four prepper related books and is regarded as one of the nations top survival and emergency preparedness experts. Read more about him here.


  1. You are a nutjob.

    • Tom,

      Why am I a “nutjob”? For asking questions? Like I said in my article, I don’t know if the shooting were false flag events but there are a lot of inconsistences and unanswered questions. If I’m a “nutjob”? for asking questions so be it…

    • Mystery Guest says:

      Eat dirt.

    • Then I’m a bigger nut job because I questioned the same thing almost immediately after the shooting. I believe someone else may be behind it; someone pulling Obama’s strings. Many believe these folks want to destroy/overthrow this country. I also believe that many more who thought they voted for Mitt in a few swing states actually voted for Obama. As an aside, I’ve never believed in the main conspiracy theories; JFK, 9/11, et.

      Prolly started when the three gay men from O’s church died just before his rise to a national stage.

    • Tom is a Troll.

      • Penny Pincher,

        Yep, I know…

        He did not have time to even read the post or any of the linked to resources inside the article, because I had just hit the “publish post” five seconds before his comment showed up…

        • I wonder if there are trolls who sit there and google keywords or follow certain blogs to make sure they get near the top of any discussion that questions authority so they can poop on it?

          • I use FeedDemon Pro to keep track of my blogs, and it frequently does pop-up to let me know when a new article is posted, so if I happen to be on the computer, I can and do frequently comment quickly.

            Of course, I do take the time to actually read the article, though…

          • Encourager says:

            Or, Penny, is this site, and M.D.’s computer, being ‘read’ or hacked by the government? How did this ‘Tom’ respond so quickly? 5 seconds after this was posted? And are our computers compromised also? Is there anyway to know?

            It makes me sick to my stomach to even think that those precious lives were snuffed out for a political agenda. It is so evil it gives me the shudders. Oh, come soon, Lord Jesus!

          • Encourager,

            There is no doubt that they read this blog and every other blog of this type, but there is no way of them knowing who you are even if they hacked into the server and stole the IP address of those that comment here. They would still have to go to your internet service provider and get your information through them. Even I have no idea who you are and I have full access to this site.
            If you are worried about them (the feds) finding you then use a VPN service or TOR or other service to avoid having your IP address fall into anyones hands…

    • georgeislearning says:

      No surprise that there would be and have been attempts to paint anyone who questions the “official” version of events as a crazy. Its the way to get the sheeple to stay asleep. Its been done for years and years and years.

      Nice try “tom”. So to you anyone who questions an event is a nutjob. lol Hit the bricks kid.

      • georgeislearning says:

        As far as my own thoughts.

        I do not think this is a false flag event as in sponsored by a government agency. I believe we have a deranged person. Seems to be fed by his mother who thought the economy was going to collapse. Which I also believe it will at some point, as every single empire has since the dawn of man. We will be no different.
        This person had some mental issues, I’m not sure of the extent but it would be nice to know more about his mother and how and what kind of person she was. Did they sit around and clean there guns waiting for some sort of Armageddon to arrive? I dunno

        What I do know from actually seeing in action over the years, is the government never lets a good disaster go to waste.

        When there’s money to be made or laws to be passed and liberties to be stripped they will move on it.

        I’m certain there are folks maybe paid maybe not maybe both, that go around and post crap on comments to make the questioners of “official” events look like “nutjobs” or at least try to.

        So I say again “tom” hit the bricks your games won’t fly in our family.

        • Encourager says:

          Georgeislearning, I love What I do know from actually seeing in action over the years, is the government never lets a good disaster go to waste.

          When there’s money to be made or laws to be passed and liberties to be stripped they will move on it.”

          Just cannot agree more.

        • George: you have not been paying attention. The Army has run Psy ops for years except they were overseas and against our enemy and that could have been anyone that disagreed with out goals. The end result is that what started out as a offshore operation has finally came home. As a former operator all of the mass shootings are probably out of Bragg or PMC’s working for a small sub group like Evergreen or the old Air America type outfit. Once you have hunted and been hunted for years you are able to determine what is happening by comparing the pictures to your past experience.
          I am old and no longer give a shoot about the crew coming for me . My Colonel told me that they would come eventually and to be ready. They drown him in a swimming pool at age 76 and he was an Olympic grade swimmer. Bottom line we as a country are run by men that do not care about you or the Constitution and would kill a 1000 children if it achieved there goal.
          This is my first post ever in my life, I am sick of the games and wanted the folks at Brag at the box and smoke bomb hill to know that I will defend my country, so come on down and lets compare stories.

          • Tactical G-Ma says:

            Thanks for chiming in. Sounds like you could tell us a few things. All I know is that PsyOPs does exist and just general stuff from the cold war era. But I do agree that those in power see everyone else as disposable pawns. They have rationalized some horrible crap over the ages.

          • Tactical G-Ma,

            I believe PsyOPs are still being done on an even wider scale… also take a at this.

          • Tactical G-Ma says:

            I read the link you posted re experimentation. Maybe I missed it but I didn’t see any mention of the Dugway Proving Grounds and the thousands of sheep killed in ’68. Nor was the atomic test in Chicago in the early ’40s. Also missed was the tons of herbicides the military tested in Minnesota and North Dakota in the ’50s. And that is just a few off the top of my head. Much of those were outed because of the physiological effects but much of the mental and psychological experimentation is still quite covert, including subliminal persuasion and neuro linguistic programming.

          • Tactical G-Ma,

            There are so many that it’s diffecult not to miss a few… that is just sad…

          • Encourager says:

            First of all, Fredasa, thank you for serving your country. What you have reported scares the you-know-what outta me. Inquiring minds want to know…well, this ‘inquiring mind’ is now on overload.

            I know that evil exists; however, I am in shock at how MUCH evil exists in our own government. Oh that God would expose it all so that it can be exterminated.

    • Tom, are you one of those gubbermint plants? Obviously, you don’t have a handle on reality.

    • leave tom alone, you should not pick on a retard. it’s the news media pushing this.

    • MountainSurvivor says:

      I like nuts! Nuts are nutritionally sound. So, if M.D. is a nut then, wow, I guess we all have the benefit of a site that feeds our brains what they need. Thank you so much for letting us know how good this site and it’s owner/operator is for the world in which are living. And what a fine job he is doing.

  2. I still am puzzled by the reports on the ID. The “shooter” had his brothers ID on him, but the brother said he hadn’t seen the “shooter” in 2 years.

    • Having his brother’s ID does not surprise me for one instant. His brother older by 4 years, left the state and had to get new drivers license where he was. Younger brother like most of today’s teenagers simply snatched up his older brother’s discarded drivers license making him instantly four years older and able to purchase liquor and other things forbidden to minors. No secrecy nor conspiracy here, just typical teenage behavior.

      • Harold:

        True. A plausible explanation. We don’t know if it was even valid.

        It’s like those that are saying the mother should have locked up the guns. We don’t know whether or not they were. Plus if he’s as smart as they say he is, he could have had the combination and not let anyone know.

  3. One possibility you don’t address is sleeper agents. I think for Aurora that actually fits much better than a false flag operation. I don’t see any evidence that he had any help in committing the act, but it does look suspicious like he had sophisticated TLA (three-letter agency) training. The fact that he gave up so easily and didn’t want to harm police also sounds like a fail-safe built in to subconscious training.

    I’m not convince Sandy Hook was false flag either, just because if it was they kind of messed up letting the story out in the first place. I think it more likely it was agenda-driven reporting, making the story fit the goals and drowning out the irrelevant facts after it had happened.

  4. Mystery Guest says:

    I have no idea if these indeed were a false flags.
    I had heard such not long after it all happened.
    If indeed this is so what a sick sick place we are in.

    • Mystery Guest,

      Did you follow the link posted to the CIA Operation Northwoods – The 1960s U.S. Government plan to carry out terrorist attacks on U.S. citizens then blame it on Cuba to gain support of the American population for an attack on Cuba.

      We are in a “sick place”.

      • Encourager says:

        …and have been for years, M.D. Any ‘agency’ (or person) who willfully murders innocent people for whatever reason can’t be any more evil than that. I think they get tunnel vision. Playing ‘scenario’ games until the game becomes their reality. The sad thing, if plausible, they get rewarded for thinking/planning that way. The American population simply has no idea, no clue to how sick and evil some of the alphabet folks are. Beyond morality. Beyond compassion. Beyond sanity.

        • Encourager says:

          Oops, I think I also just described people who live to play violent video games…. regarding the tunnel vision and that un-reality becoming their reality.

        • Encourager,

          Yes. But like I said in the article, I don’t know if the recent shooting were a false flag operation or just some random crazy. We will probably never know for sure… But there are a lot of red flags involving the coverage…

          • Tactical G-Ma says:

            I agree that to date there has been so much misinformation. But could that be a result of journalists reporting every little rumor because the police are being so tight lipped? There is no ethics when it comes to getting a news story. Facts don’t matter as much as ratings.

          • Tactical G-Ma,

            Sure it could.
            Like I said in my article I don’t know if one or both was a false flag operation – misinformation, bad reporting and reporters and media with an agenda could be all it was… At least I hope that is all it was…

          • Encourager says:

            Tactical G-Ma,
            My son said to me on Christmas day that just because a murder, accident, terror attack happens does not mean the police have the obligation to say anything. They can be as tight-lipped as they need to be. Because of the invasive nature of the media, we have become accustomed to expecting to know anything and everything. That ain’t necessarily so.

          • Tactical G-Ma says:

            I agree. I just get tired of misinformation and rumors. I really want the truth to come out but we must wait until the facts are released and like JFK’s assassination, we may never know.


    this is the dispatch of the police stating that two shadows were seen running around the back of the school.

    Also why are TPTB telling us that they may never know what Adam Lanza was doing on his computer online when it’s a well known fact that the Internet providers turn over this info to the police all the time. No to mention the government Fusion centers where this info is stored…

  6. I have been accused of being a “conspiracy theorist” every since I questioned the assassination of John Kennedy. There were too many glaring flags in evidence to presume otherwise. A pissed off monied elite who were about to see their devious plans averted by the abolishment of the illegal Federal Reserve System, a bitter old Texan who had to settle for VP for a short period of time instead of the POTUS and then Jackie’s impassioned question to him, “Why did you have my husband killed?” Just too many loose and negative ends that were never tied up to my satisfaction plus keeping the results hidden for fifty years giving the supposed perpetrators virtual immunity for their actions.

  7. False flag events. The whole thing is groomed (albeit rather clumsily) by the media, and conflicting stories are being suppressed. That much is obvious just from the media and cops’ own statements.

    The fact that they’re getting so very clumsy about it is telling. It’s almost like someone who is so arrogant that he doesn’t even care to do good quality work anymore. Why? Are they near a time when the gloves come off anyway, and they figure why even try that hard? Or are they just too confident in the hypnotic power of MSM and the majority rule of the “sheeple”? Or are they needing more and more personnel in their conspiracy to handle the awakening masses, and the newbies aren’t as good at deception as the old hands?

    I lean mostly toward the latter. When I was clumsily grilled at Wal-Mart for buying ammo last month, by Barney Fife and company, and then the supervisor who could sell the ammo was acting weird, I thought to myself, they’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel for these people, because their interrogation techniques are really obvious and clumsy.

    The MSM/CIA have an unholy alliance. But alternative media is also not immune from manipulation. There was once a right wing radio host who was really CIA. I say CIA, although it might go by a different name now, because the CIA has traditionally been in charge of propaganda.

    There is a blogger calling himself wellaware1 who claims most tragedies that are well publicized are hoaxes. However, I think wellaware1 is off base in saying that real people didn’t die.

    Wellaware1 is possibly a disinformation artist whose purpose is to make this sort of inquiry look ridiculous. Or he’s grasping for straws in saying that Amy Winehouse, Lady Gaga and JonBenet Ramsey are the same actress (using old childhood pictures for Ramsey). But there might be some truth in it, in that there’s probably actors/shills being used to create an impression at public events and “movie magic” can be used to fake footage. The whole shill thing has been shown already with Youtube footage of undercover cops posing as Occupy protestors.

    If they’re putting shills on camera at protests, and perhaps also at the WTC on that day, why not at these shootings? Maybe the guy in camo in the woods was an actor, and when they didn’t succeed in framing Ryan Lanza, the brother who tweeted as he was leaving work where he had an alibi, the camo man went down the memory hole as he was no longer needed for the narrative. Maybe that is why the stories were so conflicting – they had to roll with unpredictable real life people.

    My personal theory is that these things do get staged, and that real people do die. It’s not all smoke and mirrors. They need actual people to die to make it seem real. But the “father” who made a statement for the camera in Newtown looked like an actor getting pumped up – they got him on camera pumping up before he got on the air.

    I wonder if the enrollment records for that school are available via FOIA request? Would his “daughter” Emilie have actually attended the school? If so was she actually there that day?

    The most horrible thing to contemplate would be, if he really was raising her in that town but was a sort of sleeper agent, and then allowed her to go to school that day knowing she would die. Are there children who are raised just to become “actors” or even sacrificial lambs?

    If he’s just posing as the father, and she was a real kid who lived in that town and died, then where are the real parents?

    That guy’s house is under contract to be sold apparently, so whoever is buying it might be in on the joke. But that is according to wellaware1, and I haven’t confirmed it one way or the other.

    As a last thing, I once attended a pro-choice protest in Boston in 1989, during which 10,000 people blocked the street, and one lady punched a cop. All the media showed was a corner of the crowd after most of the protesters had gone home, it was the fringey die-hards, and they made it look like a fringe and poorly attended protest that way, and then they played that lady punching the cop over and over and over for days on end. So even a real event can get twisted by the media.

    • Funny how it is in different areas.

      AT my Walmart, I bought 200 rounds of 9mm with no questions asked. And I had the impression, that she would have let me get more.

      • Shades of Green says:

        I did buy 100 rounds at my local walmart and the cashier at the gun counter actually asked me if I wanted more. I told her these would do for now.

    • How come you were asked about buying ammo at Wal mart?

      • I bought a 525 box of .22 at a Walmart and the young male selling it was so nervous I thought he was going to piss his pants, he kept repeating to me that I was “going to be checked on my way out”.

        • Doesn’t take much to scare the pee out the sheeple. The MSM, in it’s usual inept sensational way, succeeds in spreading paranoia.

  8. Hunker-Down says:

    It seems to me that if you are right, it’s the work of satin.
    But if you’re wrong, it’s the work of satin.

    Our “moral relativism” society thinks every position on good or evil is correct, that is, if it’s “your thing”. Seems like satin has us convinced he dosent exist.

    Our pollyanna outlook has blinded us toward our responsibility to honesty.
    Christ found one person who had no duplicity in him; the rest of us have an agenda based on selfishness.

    Until we can face one another, one on one, face to face, with charity and humility, every conspiracy theory will be both right and wrong according to our standard of “moral relativism”.

    • H-D:

      One other thing is that we fail to understand that different cultures see things differently. Then we come along, critical of their ways and ideas, tell them they are wrong, mess things up, then leave.

      When I was stationed overseas, I saw it allot. Americans would come in, with their “cultural normals”, disrespect or out right anger the locals, then wonder why they were “upset” with us.

  9. This happens more and more, yet people call me naive when I answer with the obvious.
    Ephesians 6:12. Many fall under his influence, influence by and large laughed away and denied.
    Maybe if we just make more laws????

  10. Well, it seems to me that the Father of Lies might be responsible for all the lies. This also seems to have been going on since Creation. It’s sort of baked-in I guess. If we try to purge it, then there’s blood spilled which is another sin.

    Maybe the Bogomils had the right idea. These were medieval Bulgarian monks who just retreated from the world altogether. Although being a bogomil wasn’t much fun – they avoided meat, wine and marriage along with everything else.

  11. Who cares? Honestly, very few. It doesn’t mean a thing, and the perpetrators know this, if just a few question the possibility, as it doesn’t threaten the dominant narrative, which is what gets people spooked and rights taken away.

  12. GoneWithTheWind says:

    “operation Northwood” was never an “operation” or a serious idea. It was simply something someone said at a brainstorming session. To label it as a false flag event is perhaps even worse then the misinformation of a real false flag event.

    Could any of these mass shootings be engineered or controlled by someone? I suppose it is possible but extremely unlikely. Part of the reason the prepper community is held in such low esteem is that we produce and believe so many whacky theories. Don’t make this another crazy prepper conspiracy theory for the rest of the world to point at as proof of our mental instability…

    • The fact that it was even considered is too horrible to even consider. You think it’s okay to brainstorm this crap on the tax payers’ expense?

    • But who exactly is saying we are crazy? The people who tell the others what to think. Media, and government. Those are also the people who we are questioning. It’s sort of a circle.

    • GoneWithTheWind,

      The plans for “Operation Northwood” had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy’s defense secretary, thankfully it was rejected by the Kennedy administration.

      It was much more than just “something someone said at a brainstorming session” as you suggest.

      Sorry that you think this is a “whacky theory” or that we suffer from a “mental instability” for not blindly trusting everything we are told and for asking questions.

      • I think you’re making a bit much out of “Operation Northwood.” As part of “Operation Mongoose” (referred in the report as the Cuba Project) it was only one of a number of preliminary plans that were called to be submitted to Kennedy by the CIA and Joint Chiefs to remove the communists from power in Cuba.
        If you read the actual document, you will see that the “operations” for the most part were to be faked – fake attacks on Guantanamo, fake MIG sitings firing on US military (drone) aircraft, use of a drone to be exploded to simulate an airliner terrorist attack or blowing-up an unmanned vessel in Cuban waters followed by an air/sea rescue operation to “evacuate remaining members of the non-existent crew”.
        Maybe not the result of a brainstorming session, but, as the report states, simply “a preliminary submission suitable only for planning purposes.”

        • k.fields,

          I have read the document and some attacks were to be faked like you said; while others were to be real attacks that were meant to be carried out on U.S. soil. It does not matter if some or even all of the attacks were to be faked, the point is that the U.S. government planned to lie to American citizens to gain support for a war that would have likely led to WW3 and the use of nuclear weapons between the U.S. and Russia.

          Sorry that you think I’m “making a bit much out of Operation Northwood” but anytime the U.S. government lies, plans to lie or even thinks about lying to the American people in order to gain support for anything that that is wrong and a big deal in my book.

          Unfortunately, such government lies often cost thousands of lives – lives of our brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers and friends. Thankfully Operation Northwood was never carried out but knowing that the federal government even conceived it is a big deal to me.

          There have been many other false flag events that have been declassified that have been carried out by the U.S. government – the tactic works great to gain public support for whatever the government needs it and they are and will continue to use the false flag.

    • GoneWithTheWind

      Mr. Creekmore did not say that the shooting were a “false flag” he simply asked questions. So get over yourself…

      • GoneWithTheWind says:

        Simply asked questions??? Like are you a child molester? Lets see after a question like that is asked can you ever take it back. So down the road someone’s “disinformation” question becomes truth just as here on these pages people are tryint to make operation Northwoods truth.

        Lets shed some light on the missile crisis. kennedy was too young, too inexperienced and too busy screwwing around to do his job. He allowed the Russians to put our country at a huge risk. The military in Florida had nuclear weapons on their aircraft with engines running sitting on the runway. We came within a whisker of nuclear disaster because Joe Kennedy bought his favorite son the presidency but his son didn’t know what to do with his new toy except to diddle every young women that came into the White House. That Kennedy and his administration called for a false flag attack to get themselves out of the mess he got us into does not suprise me. Sadly we are once again in the hands of a young punk president who is clueless about his job and will undoubtedly bring hell down on this nation.

        Smarten up. The school attack was not a false flag it was a nut who cracked and did nut case things for nut case reasons.

        • GoneWithTheWind,

          Do you think Operation Northwood’s is just something that was made up here on this blog? Like I said, in my article it was a plan that was never put into action, but the fact that it was ever even a plan or discussed should send up alarm bells for any thinking person. What have they done that we don’t know about? What are they doing now? What will they do in the future? Asking questions is the last bit of freedom that we have left and I’m afraid that that will also soon be a thing of the past.

          Things are not always as they seem and you can not blindly trust everything the “reporter” on the nightly news tells you…

          You can find the complete 15 page document detailing Operation Northwoods here

          August 1964: Vietnam, Gulf of Tonkin

          June 1967: International Waters outside of Israel, USS Liberty

          26 February 1993: New York, World Trade Center

          Al Qaeda Leader Dined at the Pentagon Just Months After 9/11

          2010-11: Operation Fast & Furious

          As for the recent attacks not being a false flag as you say – I for one hope that you’re correct… Do you have any answers to the questions that I brought up in my article?

          Should we stop asking questions even when there are so many unanswered questions and contradictory reporting? Should we just believe whatever we are told while marching along a straight line into the pits of destruction?

          • Asking questions and a whistle blower are responsible for bringing the Fast and Furious mess to light! And candidly, left to their own devices Holder and Obama were well on their way to having one hell of a False Flag mess on THAT one. So to say that our government is not capable? BS! The ARE capable and many were involved that thought it was the “right” thing to do. We have lots of easily led robots running around in our government, more that don’t want to rock the boat because their homes and families are at stake. Benghazi is going to turn out to be the same sort of situation, giving guns to people to use against us………only this time, it may have been the wrong ones in the way. Gone with the Wind, please, research………being naive might get you hurt or worse.

          • Tactical G-Ma says:

            I agree our government is capable of and has perpetrated atrocities against our own people to further a sometimes hair-brained and/or self-serving agenda. It takes a certain arrogance or chutzpah to be a successful politician. The problems begin when their constituents are deemed less valuable than their peers.

          • GoneWithTheWind says:

            Actually I knew what Operation Northwoods was before you were even born. Your list of “false flags” proves my point. Did you really think we bombed WTC in 93??? Did ya really??? Did you really think the military sat down with the Al Qaeda for dinner and cigars???? This is what gives preppers a bad name; this lose lipped half cocked running of the mouth conflating everything with something evil. You need to vet your sources there are a lot of full blown nuts out there that are so bad if the story appears on their blog or their radio show then we know for sure it is pure BS. You need a baloney detector.

            Answers? How about wait and see what the facts are. The media got almost everything wrong in the first week of reporting on this event but that didn’t stop them from reporting it 24/7 anyway.

            Actually, sorry about being so negative. I am so fed up with the truthers and others who think we attacked ourselves on 9/11. Yes occassionally one of our politicians does play fast and lose with the truth. Certainly that happened with the Gulf of Tonkin incident and probably happened to some extent with Pearl Harbor. But that is not the same thing as “everything” being some kind of false flag attack. I honestly believe that those people who push the “false flag” meme are not friends of America and are actively involved in a disinformation campaign. I love my country, I love our constitution and I am committed to supporting our government. Not our politicians and I don’t intend to obey or enforce any unlawful orders or unconstitutional laws. And I will use my common sense and my faith to resist disinformation by those who would destroy us. I will seek the truth but I refuse to jump to conclusions.

          • Gonewiththewind,

            There you go putting words in my mouth – I did not say that we bombed the WTC in 1993 CBS News reported that the FBI had Foreknowledge of the event but let it happen.

            As for the meeting with Al Qaeda – FoxNews (as well as a bunch of other broadcasting services reported it – I don’t know I wasn’t invited were you?

            Anyway, I don’t have time to play with you… it is obvious that you want to only consider the reality that you’ve been spoon and don’t have a clue as to what is going on around you, even when the government itself admits to an event through its own release of declassified documents. So please don’t waste anymore of my time or that of other readers of this blog with your comments.

          • Hunker-Down says:

            You should take a course at Smoke Bomb Hill. But I doubt that neither of us could pass the entrance exam.

          • GoneWithTheWind says:

            I am willing to keep an open mind and search for facts and truth. I am not willing to speculate publicy about serious issues without good information. The internet is full of fear mongers liars and BS’ers. I think when one blog prints something out of speculation and distrust other blogs pick up the story and report it as true. We all have seen those blogs which pump out the bizarre and incriminating stories that are pure BS 99% of the time. I would prefer truth over juicy speculation.

          • GoneWithTheWind,

            How do we know what the truth is?

            If someone such as a group or government is involved in something that the population would not agree with, most of the time they’re going to lie and try to cover it all up so no one knows what really happened or who was involved…

            How can you ever hope to find out the truth if you don’t ask questions when the details don’t add up with the story being told? Who do you trust to tell you the truth, the media, the government or some blog site. I don’t trust none of those sources 100% of the time – if something don’t seem right I start to investigate, then I put it all together and come to my own conclusion.

            But I do so with an open mind – I don’t start out with the attitude that the media and government would never lie to me when history proves time and time again that they have and will continue to do so.


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            As for false flags look at history – false flag events have been used since recorded history to gain support for the perpetrators agenda…

  13. SwedishChef says:

    Haven’t we already seen that our government is willing to do this sort of thing to further the gun control agenda? What was Operation Fast and Furious if not this exact thing? The only difference is that operation was exposed by a whistleblower.

    • Agreed. And Eric Holder? Why does he still have a job??

    • Actually, Swede, F&F was exposed by Mike Vanderboegh and David Codrea- two bloggers- three months before anyone came forward with any information to corraborate their claims.

      Which says a lot about the power of the ‘internet press’.

      And I concurr: this current administration is the last group of people I’d trust even to make a daily bowel movement. That the question of false flag is even being asked, by many more than just here, is indicative of how little this gov’t is trusted. Add in the surge in gun ownership/purchases the last five years and you have a pretty clear picture of how many believe the conspiracy theories (IMO).

      What we are living now is prophecy being fulfilled. God help us all.

  14. recoveringidiot says:

    I won’t discount the idea of false flag being used in these events but I have no doubt the communists in our .gov have prepared plans in place to exploit the events to their advantage when they do happen.
    The CO theater shooting is the strongest candidate for the false flag theory IMO. Then the stupid leftist media run it non stop and push the crazies that were already on the edge into action.
    It’s easy to dump on firearm owners because the media portray most of us as cousin humping idiots in flyover country every day. I wonder what they will do when one of the free to roam at will loons realizes he/she can do more damage with some door shims and a gallon of paint thinner?
    I’m sorry, I get carried away when I feel my country and my beliefs are under attack.
    Hope every one had a great Christmas, I sure did, in spite of the stupid media droning on and on….

    • RI:

      NEVER underestimate the determination of a “True Believer”. Those that truly, at their core, believe the ends justifies the means. I have had occasion to be around some of these over the years, and they are flat scary.

      • “NEVER underestimate the determination of a “True Believer”.”

        I think that applies to conspiracy theorists as well.

        • k.fields

          The thing about “conspiracy theorists” is that many have been proven to be fact by the release of declassified government documents. I guess those would be called “conspiracy facts”…

  15. “but I have no doubt the communists in our .gov have prepared plans in place to exploit the events to their advantage when they do happen.”

    exactly. The Patriot act was sitting in some desk drawer long before 9/11/01, I think it was senator, now VP. “joe bite me’s” desk drawer.

  16. YEs I belive they are . THe simple truth is that they all have certain hallmarks in common that cannot be ignored.

  17. Something else to consider… look at the guy that shot the fire fighters recently. He also used a Bushmaster AR. One thing I’ve found in my experience… Bushmasters aren’t cheap. These guys could have got a DPMS or Smith much cheaper… but yet they are using high end hardware.

  18. Belief = faith in what you are being told, faith in a theory otherwise potentially unexamined. Belief is not necessarily based upon fact. To “know” something is much more important. Belief in our media? Why? They have already been proven to be about ratings, money and public opinion………..not fact! Belief in this government? Obama and Erik Holder? Which part of the Fast and Furious Chain did you miss? Not to mention Benghazi! Research all you can people, suspend belief or save it for your relationship with God, a much better place to believe frankly. As for Oregon or Connecticut? We will never know the truth there for sure…… but one thing that does bother me about false flag events? In these scenarios, nobody ever comes forth and spills the beans…in large groups of people involved… that even possible? Questions, Questions, sigh

  19. Don’t know if these were false flag events, but I do know ONE thing, the God I believe in has a very special place in Hell for those responsible for it if it was a planned event!!

  20. Shades of Green says:

    Here is what makes me believe this cuold possibly be a false flag. None of the parents actually physically identified their children. They were only shown pictures of there faces for ID. Even at the funerals they were closed. The family of one said they walked into the funeral home and there was a white casket in there that they then started drawing on with sharpies to add color in honor of there daughter. She said she thinks it was better possibly not have seen her. Really? There is no way I would not want to see my child simply for closure and to actually believe it was real. I would also still be a basket case and could not smile and laugh in interviews. There were too many discrepencies in the reporting. It has also been said that both Colorado and Sandyhook shooters fathers were set to testify at the Libor scandal hearings. They both were very high up in the companys they worked for that got caught or are involved in the scandal. The comment that the parents were told” If you haven’t already been reunited with your child then it’s alrady over.” That is just weird to say. Also, everyone was told to close their eyes when exiting the school. This could be because Adam may have been laying there dead ( as a patsy ) but no one else was. The kids could still be alive but taken away from the town and or country for only god knows what. The elite like to do really bad things that most of us would never put up with. There is alot more out there than even what I have stated but this is some of why I don’t believe any of it. You don’t’ have to be a prepper to not believe everything you hear either, that was a stupid comment on your part Gonewiththewind.

    • Jeff Rense said the children were left lying there for over 48 hours, just lying on the floor of the classroom, for “forensic” purposes.

      I don’t know if that is true or not, but if it had been me I would have been over there with whatever posse I could get together with rifles shotguns and pitchforks and CAMERAS broadcasting LIVE to some internet feed, demanding to see my child’s body NOW. Even if all I get to do is stand in the doorway, I would want to see the body. NOW.

  21. Well I guess I am another “nut job”. Because yes I belive that these were contrived happenings, strickly to push the gun band agenda of the left.

  22. riverrider says:

    i watched the “coverage” from minute one. i saw a helicopter camera shot of a k9 unit and 2 cops run out into the woods and stand by a dark figure next to a tree. they stayed there for hours., periodically joined by another officer or two. i also saw a shot of the gun in the trunk, though i admit it was tight in and could have been staged. the really funny thing is, however,the kook smashed his computer beyond recovery. having studied criminals/psycho killers for most of my life i find this most intriguing. seldom if ever have they gone on a killing spree without leaving a note at least and commomly a whole manifesto. additionally i have seen a hard drive recovered from the ashes of a burning house, obviously partially melted, restored enough to provide evidence of the arson. tim mcveigh was no more alone than oswald. i have my doubts about this guy as well. the behavior of the chief is intriguing as well. even my wife was stunned by the last conference. there are a great many of us that smell a rat on this one.

  23. I think it just the crisis d’jour . The dipshit hollywood media playing up what is trendy ………then they will move on to other trendy crises . Hold tight and buy now ……do what you have to do now . Confiscations on a scale some predict will trigger a civil war . I have spoken to several LEOs and recently discharged military personell , both say the same thing , that the ranks will be divided , with the government drones doing what they are told , BUT they also say that many , many will not and some went so far to say that this issue has been highly discussed privately within the military , that in the event of such unconstitutional acts ……..they will not stand for it .

  24. I don’t believe that either tragedy was anything more than someone that lost their minds, and other people paid for it. However, it is disgusting that the media has used this, with false information, to push political agenda. The monster used 2 handguns. But now all you hear is Ar this, and AR that. And have you noticed, every report about ANY AR, for any reason, it’s been a “Bushmaster”? There are more than a dozen companies that make AR platform type rifles. This whole thing has been an unfair assault on AR rifles, for political reasons. The worst thing is it disrespects the families that are affected, because it takes the focus from them to guns. Guns don’t kill people, people do. God bless.

  25. Petticoat Prepper says:

    I have to admit I did think the Sandy Hook shooting was staged. I thought it was perhaps:

    1) terriorists working together. I believe they said “Their children will not be safe.”
    2) some very far left wing fringe group working together to disarm us.
    3) the liberal policy to ‘mainstream’ into society those who decades ago would have been kept in controlled enviroments and medicated.

    I’ve never been much for conspiracy thinking but I have to say, either there is one, the MSM (hate that term) is working over time to push their adgenda or we need to find drugs for the mentally ill that don’t increase agressive behavior and/or sucidial tendancy.

  26. Joel Skousen does a complete analyis of this false flag in his World Affairs Brief, December 21, 2012 Commentary and Insights on a Troubled World. Copyright Joel Skousen. Partial quotations with attribution permitted. Cite source as Joel Skousen’s World Affairs Brief (

    There’s a much darker story to this shooting that goes way beyond the wanton killing of innocent children. It’s the story of dark side operations targeting young, unstable males with mood altering drugs and mind control techniques—and then directing them to kill increasingly younger victims until Congress can be driven to legislate away the uniquely American right to self-defense with guns. This week I’ll cover the contradictions in the multiple versions put out by media and police, and the way mind control operates in combination with dark spiritual forces. Lastly I’ll discuss how there is no solution nor protection against these provoked massacres in gun free zones without removing the restrictions on the right of personal self-defense both inside and outside of school. More gun bans are the last thing we need.

    Only a few of the facts in this tragedy are reported consistently—Adam Lanza presumably killed his mother Nancy and then broke into the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT somehow bypassing the new locked-door policy. When it was over 20 young children are dead, ages 10 and under (primarily in two classrooms), plus 6 adults not counting Adam. The mother was erroneously reported as a teacher at the school.

    The rest of the story and reported evidence emerging among the news stories varies widely. The facts are complex to piece together because so many news stories contradict themselves. This all paints a clear picture, however, of a systematic cover-up by police spokespersons and media and the real facts point to a larger conspiracy to drum up more gun control laws.

    In reality, some of the more innocent reporters in the media often get it right initially, filming and posting interviews of victims, police and bystanders who are too honest and candid, and who haven’t yet been shut down or pressured into denying or changing their story. This happened in Oklahoma City, in the TWA 800 shootdown and during 9/11. When the evidence or statements don’t match the desired outcome the facts start changing or disappearing from the news. Contradictory reports even get taken down from news websites. Here are some glaring examples in this case:

    1. The single perpetrator claim. Except for a few honest reports at the beginning, this Newtown incident has been focused on a lone gunman, and yet witness interviews, police radio recordings and videos show 2 to 3 other persons involved and at least two vehicles besides the Lanza car were driven to the school.
    A. Police helicopter video shows the pursuit and capture of someone fleeing the scene with a rifle into the woods, who comes out in handcuffs saying “I didn’t do it.” Do what? How did he know kids that were being shot? If you only heard shots, it could have been just teachers or administration? The purpose of armed handlers surrounding the incident is to either increase the body count or just make sure the drugged-up and mind controlled patsy can be eliminated if the suicide programming doesn’t work. They don’t want to take a chance on the shooter being captured. When the drugs wear off, chances are high he would talk about the others who put him up to the crime. That’s the rationale for suicide programming, multiple backup killers, and the subsequent cover-up to get those handlers released.

    This is the same thing that happened in the Dunblane, Scotland killing of children in a school:“Like Newtown there were two shooters, Hamilton and a hit-man who shot Hamilton and made it look like Hamilton committed suicide after shooting 16 children, so that he couldn’t be questioned. Hamilton was found in the school gymnasium slumped against a wall and still gurgling, when an off-duty policeman PC Grant McCutcheon entered the gym and saw two semi-automatic pistols, one on either side of Hamilton’s body. [However,] The autopsy revealed that Hamilton was killed with a .38 revolver. These people always slip-up with their crimes. There was no .38 revolver for him to have shot himself with. Thus, there was a second shooter who killed Hamilton.”

    B. Police voice recordings at a different time talk about stopping a van and apprehendinganother person outside the school who is handcuffed and laying prone on the asphalt. The policeman says, “I have the party proned out.”

    C. One of the children being interviewed as he comes out of the school says he saw the police with a guy handcuffed on the floor inside the school. That can only mean a couple of things: either Lanza didn’t kill himself; was subsequently taken down, and handcuffed, or there was another shooter inside to make sure Lanza got suicided, and he was taken down. If the person seen handcuffed on the floor was Lanza, that means he was killed afterwards by someone else who had custody of him.
    D. SGT covered the other van and pair of suspects that were detained. This was from a raw audio exchange between police as the shooting was happening. “This is the first responder police radio recording first posted by the Houston Chronicle, then by the NY Post. At 44 seconds, the police relay a teacher’s report that she saw ‘two shadows running past the gym.’(Now keep in mind that according to the ‘official’ story the ‘lone’ shooter has killed himself.) At 55 seconds, the police officer reports a van coming toward him with two occupants, he then says at 1 minute 30 seconds he has them ‘proned out’ (lying on the ground face down). At approximately 2 minutes, they report the New Jersey plates of the van, and the rental car company registration. These two men are in addition to the ONE man dressed in camo pants who the police arrested in the woods near the school. That makes THREE men in addition to the Adam Lanza.”

    2. Weapons used claim: Initial reports by police said that the shooter was found dead with two 9mm semi-auto pistols (a Glock and a Sig Sauer) and that the floor was “littered with 9mm shell casings.” The police told media that besides the two guns, they found an AR-15 .223 Bushmaster assault rifle in his car that was registered with his mother. Then after the first day, the story changes to the assault rifle being used in the school and the floor being “littered with .223 shell casings.”

    How convenient when the easiest thing to get out of this tragedy is an assault weapon ban. In order to do that, the guilty weapon has to be a semi-auto rifle. When you have this kind of dramatic change in story, it’s almost impossible to get police to retract the current and latest version, which fits the agenda.

    To muddy the water further, Huffington Post now claim that “the rifle was found next to Adam Lanza’s body” — AND that “three other guns have also been recovered, but it was not clear where they were found, an official told AP. They were a Henry repeating rifle, an Enfield rifle and a shotgun”. These were not mentioned before in what police found inside Lanza’s vehicle and it’s doubtful he could carry all these long rifles with him as he broke through the glass to the side of the locked door. That’s a very cumbersome entry with an armful of long rifles!

    3. Coroner’s remarks: Dr. H. Wayne Carver said, “All the victims of the Connecticut elementary school shooting were killed up close by multiple rifle shots.” This may or may not be true depending on the conflicting reports about the weapons used inside the school. Coroner’s have a notorious reputation around the nation for being subject to political pressures to falsify conditions of death in cover-ups. It happened in the JFK assassination. It happened in Los Angeles in the Breitbart “heart attack” case – and in that case, the coroner himself ends up being suicided afterward.
    The problem with the coroner’s statement is that with small children, high powered bullets tend to pass right through the body and not stick around for examination, as he claims. If they were rifle rounds, there wouldn’t be hardly any rounds left in the bodies to examine. But, depending on where a person is shot, high velocity rounds they do great damage and the exit hole is much larger than the entrance. This is important because if the shooter was using 9mm pistols, then the Coroner’s report has to match. It does not. It only matches the assault rifle later claims, which may be an indication of collusion to pin the blame on assault rifles, which in this case fire the .223 caliber.

    He could have deduced the rifle bullet theory by the damage. The .223 round, about 55-65 grains in weight, does horrendous damage due to its velocity in excess of 3,000 feet per second (fps). The bullet will often tumble and fragment after penetrating about 2.5 inches of flesh. Here’s a military medical description of how velocity matters, especially for a small weight bullet:

    “In the surgical world, the accepted threshold for separating high power from low power projectile injuries has been set at 2000 feet per second. That velocity has been chosen because more than that, the hydraulic shock wave creates a temporary stretch cavity [TSC] severe enough to disrupt surrounding tissues significantly [and even break bones by the shock wave] . Below that, and the TSC is not a factor to contend with, surgically speaking… It will not only disrupt the surrounding tissues but this temporary cavitation when it struck elastic tissue such as the lungs and intestines it simply pushes these organs aside causing minimal immediate damage but when solid organs are struck this causes the organs to tear apart or explode such as the liver, spleen heart and kidney.”

    4. Missing Evidence: The public is being denied access to the school’s security cameras which would shed light on whether or not Lanza was the only shooter or participant. Deliberate denial of video footage is typical of every other cover-up managed by the federal government—OKC and 9/11 in particular.

    While I have already commented on various aspects of this conspiracy, let me describe in a more systematic way this disturbing pattern of using drugged up patsies to commit these acts of horrifying terror.

    1) They search out young, unstable males who already have established a pattern of anti-social behavior and put them on psychotropic drugs to alter their mood or mental state.

    2) At some point they are assigned one or more handlers who in a variety of ways plant the idea of a dark plot in the target’s mind to kill innocent people with guns. There is no other motive other than to kill a large number of people, which is very strange—and doesn’t happen in any other normal criminal settings. It doesn’t even happen with the mentally ill, unless also programmed to kill.

    3) It almost always wear a mask or hoody and end up committing suicide. Why care about who sees you if you are intending to kill yourself? The Batman movie shooter, James Holmes was an exception to this—he didn’t commit suicide—but strangely, he’s not being allowed to come out of his drugged state. He is being kept incommunicado by the government who has a doctor visiting the jail to keep him on mood altering drugs–perhaps to ensure he maintains his programming. Early on, however, he apparently had a moment of coherency when he admitted things to his cellmate. According to an interview with Alex Jones, “An alleged inmate of ‘Batman’massacre culprit James Holmes claims the shooter told him that he was ‘programmed’ to carry out the massacre by an ‘evil’ therapist [working for the dark side of government].”

    4) Lastly, there is always the inevitable cover-up of the presence of multiple participants, by police and media, converting the story to a “lone gunman” tale.

    That’s the pattern and it almost never varies. The three keys to this pattern that are particularly unique are 1) no motive other than to kill —which only occurs in these terror massacres; 2) the use of mood altering drugs; and 3) suicide to end it all. These are not present in attacks with criminal motives but 1 and 3 do show up in anti-US jihadist suicide bombers but these are always motivated by a larger cause or agenda. In our domestic cases, the larger motive is being provided by the black ops handlers (gun control), and the patsy probably is never told what that is.

    These tactics worked surprisingly fast to strip the British of their gun rights. It only took one such incident in the aforementioned Dunblane, Scotland school to do it. A pedophile active in scouting and boys clubs murdered 16 children and their teacher in a local school. In America, where gun rights are enshrined in the Constitution, it is taking many more such incidents to drive the agenda, and they won’t stop until all guns are banned.

    As one British blogger lamented, “Newtown is the U.S.A.’s Dunblane, which was orchestrated in
    Scotland in 1996 by the British establishment, to whip up hysteria in order to ban all handguns from the U.K. It was preceded by the Hungerford Massacre in England in 1987, which was carried out by mind-controlled Michael Ryan, who then shot himself so he could not be questioned, and it was used to ban semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.”

    There are several other elements to this pattern that are worthy of note:

    1. The frequency of attack on innocent people is increasing, showing increased desperation by the dark side of government to drive the gun ban agenda.
    2. The targeted areas are always relatively gun free zones: schools, shopping malls and movie theaters.

    3. While shopping malls and schools have always been the target of choice, to get the necessary shock effect on people, the age of the target victims has now been going down to the incomprehensible age of early elementary children.

    The horrific results are always followed up by a coverup of the facts surrounding the presence of the target’s handlers. That’s part of the reason why this has to be a black operation —only government agents have the persuasive power to threaten honest police officers with their jobs or lives in order to suppress the evidence which would suggest a conspiracy. Only government has the power to uniformly stop the media from reporting, or worse, by burying the reports even after reported, as happens in every recent case.

    The Newtown massacre has overshadowed the events of the previous week at the Clackamas town Center Mall near Portland Oregon. While there is no evidence of more than one shooter, it is highly likely that other handlers were around in the crowds observing, ready to act. Interestingly enough, at the Town Center Mall, there was a concealed weapons holder present,22 year old Nick Meli, who could have engaged Roberts, but he hesitated until too late. Too bad. It would have been a great story about how concealed weapons can stop this kind of thing.

    Jacob Roberts, the Oregon shooter, had stolen the AR-15 rifle from a friend, and had indicated that he “needed a gun” and was planning on leaving for Hawaii. He was identified by a relative by a tattoo on his body. Roberts was clearly calculating in his moves, not freaking out–which belies claims that all these guys are just “mentally ill.”

    Notice another pattern here. All of these attackers in recent events have had typical signs of weird behavior—special tattoos, male earrings, or orange dyed hair, and mood altering drugs.

    • PGCPrepper says:

      I normally skip over long posts especially about every detail on what one did for the week because, well, it’s boring but this is an awesome post. Something stinks here big time and thanks to MD for throwing it out there. I am one of the one’s who sent you an email asking about “the guy in the woods.”

      • Dean in Michigan says:

        I agree……

        Good comment. Good post as well, and to answer the original question, it wouldn’t shock me at all.

        The whole key is the disinformation. If you put enough conflicting info out there to confuse the sheeple, well…….they’ll just go back into sheeple mode.

        • Gary Olson says:

          Don’t forget disinformation is also a key tool to shape the story and the facts to fit a predetermined objective. So were the people interviewed actual victims or witnesses; or actors paid to sow disinformation? Including the “second shooter”….
          Was the “investigation” drawn out to excessive time periods in order to inject excessive real and distorted information?
          Were reporters editorial corrected to ensure they provided a consistent story in the final version; but allowed to voice an initial differing version in order to sow disinformation?

          Far fewer fingerprints in anonymous disinformation redirections than in an actual active participants.

    • Encourager says:

      E, great post. I read the entire thing. And feel sick in heart and spirit that such evil is perpetrated against the innocent.

      The bottom line for me is WHY? What is so important to them that such evil must be used?

      “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.” Lord Acton

  27. Very interesting point and one I very quickly started asking myself! In fact it has made me review again the whole issue of one’s right to arms. Even if this terrible incident is not a ‘false flag’, and certainly it is not beyond the bounds of possibility, the administration and powers that be are clearly hyping-it-up to the hilt in support of arguments in favour of gun control. I can’t help getting an uneasy feeling they may now feel the time is right to start putting restraints on gun ownership, the more the better, as part of their plans to further reduce the peoples’ ability to defend itself when they decide to impose a state of emergency to remove the rights of citizens and make them totally powerless against state tirany! This should surely serve as a wake-up call to stay alert against the machinations of a totalitarian state and its master plan.

  28. My mother (78) and I have spirited discussions. The major point I continue to make with her is that both parties outright lie all the time. I can understand shaded truth on some occasions but to completely contradict facts is not acceptable if You are on the peoples dime. I explained that ever since WW II the government has been following Bernays theories to manipulate us. She agreed to a point bringing up how the Japanese were characterized. When The news leaked prior to the election that Feinstein’s ban was ready to go and then a whole string of events happened to support it? Come on man, that’s just too convenient says the church lady

  29. I think it all sounds funny. I’m not one to believe in conspiracy theories, but this is wrong. There is something not right about the whole situation. I have kept pretty quiet about the whole thing, but I think these incidents are not just crazy people doing crazy things.

  30. recoveringidiot says:

    Not hearing so much on the ex-con arsonist/sniper story, except he used the dreaded bushmaster. I admit I’m not glued to the news all the time. Wonder how they will spin that story?

    • recoveringidiot, I’m assuming it took them a while to “find” the Bushmaster this guy supposedly had because early reports only mentioned a .38 revolver and a 12 gauge shotgun. Recent news I’ve seen, is that they also “later” found a 2 to 3 page type-written letter.
      “Later, they found a rambling note that suggested his intent: “I still have to get ready to see how much of the neighborhood I can burn down and do what I like doing best: killing people.”

      As for M.D.’s question…no doubt about it. Ever notice how all these “shooters” have drugged expressions with bugged-out eyes? MK Ultra patsies?

  31. Your article has hit it right on the head with our federal government. These mass shootings are all staged by the government in order to get our guns. Look at history and you will see what is happening is what happened in the Soviet Union, China, Germany, etc. Once they get our guns those who resist the Obama tryranny will end up in the FEMA detention facilities. This isn’t a conspiracy theory. We all know what our government is up to and they aren’t trying to hide anything.

  32. Do bad things happen in this world, caused by random acts of evil by ill or bad people? Of course.

    Do bad things happen in this world, caused by planned acts of evil by ill or bad people? Of course.

    The issue for us today in America is trying to learn to distinguish between the two.

    I am not a “conspiracy nut”. (At least I don’t think I am 🙂 ) But, after the election of Barack Obama, I began to question the likely hood of this man becoming President. How does a poor child from a backwoods state like Hawaii with no family ties to power 1. gain entry into exclusive universities such as Columbia and Harvard 2. Go from community organizer to US Senator 3. Go from 1 term US Senator to President of the US? These questions haunt me. I tell my family that Obama has never worried me – but the men behind Obama scare the crap-ola out of me!

  33. Ohio Surveyor says:

    Attention citizens of The New America….”pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.”
    Now because we know better than you, and for your own good and the safety of the children…..please remit all of your weapons to the nearest collection facillity…..and dont forget to get your “Obamacare” chip implanted in your right hand or forehead. otherwise you will not beable to purchase anything.

    here it comes people…stack it high

    • Hunker-Down says:

      Cant we all just play nice and behave politically correct?
      If I get 2 implanted chips with different numbers can I run for congress?

  34. Yes,the shootings are contrived. Evil is behind it and evils name, to us is obama.Put nothing past this great evil. He could care less about american men,women and children dying. He is islamist 100 %.The people of this country must understand this. He knows that if we do not have weapons he has won.We need our weapons worse now than at any time in U,S. history. We are flooded daily with every kind of illegal that you can imagine.The spying on us is almost to the critical point.We are training young people to run all the drones they are building obama thinks not of those slain children. It will get worse .You must spread the news. If they laugh just move on and do it again to another group. You must keep trying.W are fighting for our lives and country.

    • Encourager says:

      Come on Doug. Let us remember who is the author of Evil. Satan. Him and him alone. He is the one bent on the destruction of the human race. The father of lies who seeks to kill, steal and destroy. But that does not mean we should not stand for the truth, and expose him for what he is.

      Obama and all his henchmen are just satan’s pawns.

  35. I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought it was a setup..the government hides so much from us

  36. Hunker-Down says:

    How many “false flag” plans are there at the Naval War College, or the Army War College or at DHS or FBI or CIA or FEMA?

    I think they were used in ancient Rome. History repeats itself.

  37. False flag? You would have to be insane to think that they were NOT false flags. Just too perfect at the perfect time, the 2nd term.

    Wake up sheeple.

    • Hunker-Down says:

      I watched the first 2 1/2 minutes of #1 and concluded that that “professor” is…….well……I stopped watching.

      Who brainwashed that dork?

      If highly educated professors cant tell the difference between good and evil, they have no justification in teaching gullible, trusting students.

  38. HoarseWhisper says:

    I understand it is tempting to attribute coincidences to a grand scheme, or a ‘man behind the curtain’, but I believe these are simply coincidences. The last I heard, the guy that shot firemen was armed with a Bushmaster, just like in the school shooting. But we know he was a convicted felon, so it it likely he didn’t buy it. A lot of these nutjobs are hanging on by a thread, and it’s hard to know what will set them off. Simply finding out that he had access to the same type of weapon as the school shooting may have triggered his rampage.
    Don’t misunderstand, the hard left are dedicated and they are certainly capable of giving up their life for ‘the cause’, but I don’t believe they would ever take a chance of using an unstable person that might survive and implicate them.
    You are going to get wildly different stories from witnesses at tragic events. For example, the Batman movie shooting was at midnight for the first showing of the new movie. The average movie goer isn’t gonna go to that screening. You are going to have a crowd of dedicated Batman fans, high school and college kids, and various fringe types. How many of them do think got really stoned before the movie? How good do you think their recall is going to be?

    • Horse,

      I think bushmaster is the now prefered media term that they’re using for any rifle used in a shooting – do you have any idea how much a Bushmaster AR-15 rifle costs? Last one that I bought was $1100 for the naked rifle. I very serusly doubt all of the recent shooter used a bushmaster made AR-15. If I recall the theater shooter is said to have used a Smith & Wesson M&P AR rifle those are around the same price.

      As for everything being a coincidence, including all of the contradictory reporting, eye-witness and police reports stating that there was more than one shooter at both shootings, news video footage of suspects running through the woods behind the school from police that are never heard of or mentioned again, etc, I for one hope that you’re right…

  39. I’m definitely not a conspiracy theorist, well, I wasn’t, but the Colorado shooting and now this are just too coincidental. As a former LEO, I was trained to not believe in coincidences. Some things that I’m familiar with and things that my wife have seen on the boob tube and taught me are screaming for attention.

    Recently, my wife saw a show where a corrections officer (CO) was hypnotized in seconds and sent out on a mission to kill a man. He was given a toy gun and the CO actually completed the mission. I think that people who have a propensity to commit a criminal act can be hypnotized and made to do something they wouldn’t normally do in their right mind. This CO already was willing to do whatever was necessary to keep the peace, including kill.

    Lanza had been trained by his mother to defend himself. He had the necessary knowledge and skills to shoot a gun. All it took was for someone to come along and put the knowledge and skills to good use.

    As for the second shooter, in my experience there are innocent by-standers everywhere. People simply are in the wrong place at the wrong time. I’ve seen it happen time and time again. I suspect the man witnessed by the boy that was proned out and cuffed by the police was just that: an innocent by-stander. He was released when he proved his bonifides. As for the man in the woods, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn he was the handler/hypnotist and he made a mistake as to the timing.

    Cops randomly patrol and almost never follow a pattern. I suspect the handler tried to time having the LEO’s in another part of the area when Lanza open fired, but it was the very randomness of the patrol patterns that was his undoing. I think an officer was simply too close when the shooting started and spotted the handler.

    Since I’m a suspcious, low minded person, I also think the reason why the local LEO’s are cooperating shows the depth to which the goobermint wants this covered up. What would you do if three big dudes in suits got you aside and showed you pictures of your wife/child/girlfriend/parents then told you in graphic detail what would happen to them if you didn’t cooperate? What would you do if you were told that your wife and ten-year-old daughter would be brutally raped repeatedly then slowly tortured to death? What would you do if they showed you photos of other victims who didn’t cooperate in varying states of gore and dismemberment? I think I’d probably cooperate.

    Now I’m starting to reconsider my opinion about 9/11.

    • Scott,

      Look up Project MKUltra…

      What a lot of folks don’t realize is that police and other emergency responders most likely have no idea of what is really going on at the scene after a false flag event. Even the president may have no idea as to what really happened at first… Contrary to what we’ve been lead to believe the president does not run the country, he is just the front man and mouth piece of those that do

      • I think the term is, “Plausible deniability.” However, since I am a suspicious and low minded person, I have a feeling that Obozo knows just a little more about what is going on than the other presidents who tried this crap.

        I’m familiar with MK Ultra and, while I’ve always believed it, I thought it would take months of violent conditioning to get results. Look at Patty Hurst. It goes back to the Stolkholm Syndrome. I’ve seen the dregs of society and some horrible crimes, but when my wife told me about the show where the CO was hypnotized, it surprised even this rather steady soul.

        What is nice about hypnotism, statistics show that it doesn’t work on about 85% of introverts and those it does work on are usually pretty gullible or more trusting to begin with. I’m an extreme introvert and I don’t trust hardly anyone let alone the goobermint.

        • Scott G,

          Another thing about hypnotism is that its effectiveness can be increased with the addition of certain drugs…

          • Encourager says:

            True, M.D. And those who are not susceptible to being hypnotized can be with the aid of drugs.

        • Plausible deniability ………..that is an interesting term …..if you get a chance , watch the movie Conspiracy , the whole movie is about the secret meeting the nazi’s had to figure out the logistics of the “final solution ” . The transcripts were supposed to have been destroyed after the meeting , but allied troops found them after the war , and that is what the movie was based on , in the movie they discussed how Hitler would not be giving the orders to organize the final solution or to be informed , for reasons of plausible deniability . All matters were to be directed to , and handled by the SS . Very creepy , and it will seriously make you think about this government .

  40. Where is the political will to repeal the Second Amendment?

    The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.

    This will never happen.

    It is simply the overreaction of the week.

    • Warmongerel says:

      Yes, Tom, my little Troll…Obama has shown how he can just subvert the Constitution and ignore Congress with his huge number of “Executive Orders”.

      We are now living in a Dictatorship. Hitler and Stalin would recognize Obama’s tactics instantly.

    • I think you’ve been lulled into a false assumption of safety. This is how it starts. While I agree that currently there isn’t enough votes to back a repeal of the Second Amendment, this is the start.

      I was in the Army for five years, my son for seven, my brother was in Viet Nam, and my dad in WWII. Way back in the 80’s during my MP training, I was trained in the setting up concentration camps for use here in the good ol’ U.S. of A. Part of my job in Germany was as a bodyguard for NATO diplomats and commanding generals. Because of that I was briefed on some interesting intelligence. Through the years, I’ve also been privy to some rather disturbing information about government agencies through a variety of connected sources. What is happening now smacks of a set-up by people with extremely long-range plans.

      Take a second look at the ALL the evidence stretching over a couple decades before you jump to conclusions.

      • Ah Crap,

        They will not try for a repeal of the Second Amendment to start – they will start with semi-auto “military style” rifles and a magazine ban limiting magazines to 5-10 rounds. Then once they get that passed and signed into law they’ll move on to all semi-autos, then once they get that one the next big threat (according to them) will be handguns etc. until they have effectively, nullified the Second Amendment one step at a time.

        • 10 rounds from a 30.06 , can do a world of hurt ……..especially as they say in the old west ” you get the drop on em ” …then you take THEIR weapons from the bodies……….and then it begins again…..lexington – concord .

          • Warmongerel says:


            I had a similar exchange with a friend a few days ago.

            His “brilliant” point was that tanks and helicopters weren’t covered under the 2nd amendment, so it wasn’t about “resisting the government” because citizens wouldn’t have parity with the government as far as weapons go.

            I told him that the Americans at the start of the revolution didn’t have cannons, so how did they get them? Well, they took them from the British by using…guns.

            I haven’t heard back from him. Go figure.

          • Yes, and you probably wouldn’t have had to suffer your friend’s and other’s stupid opinions back then because we didn’t TV, radio, Internet, Twitter, FB et al.

            So we should amend or repeal the first amendment?

  41. Odd, my first thoughts when I saw the news on TV. If you don’t have a crisis, create one. This administration had already attempted to stir the pot with “Fast and Furious”. I have no trouble believeing they would sacrifice the children in this event.

  42. Tactical G-Ma says:

    I know nothing of false flag events or conspiracies. I have heard so many versions of the Sandy Hook tragedy that I don’t know what to believe. But I do know that many recent events have worked to demoralize, destroy, and distract the American people. People have capitalized monetarily and politically from these horrendous acts. The depth of cruelty and greed of mankind astounds me. As a result, our nation appears to be crumbling like a house of cards.

  43. Well, it could be a false flag, or it could be a lone pyscho. While I agree that government agencies have in the past used these operations, even against their own people, I would submit that there is a very good possibility why this one is not. Simply put, a conspiracy requires a number of people who will keep their mouths shut about it. And I think we can all agree that most politicians are NOT good at keeping their mouths shut, especially when they could gain by running them. (a reliable source, speaking on condition of anonymity has told us…. ) Killing children? I suppose, yeah, there are people who could contemplate that with no remorse. Mao was one, Pol Pot was another. But there are just too many people in DC who would have leaked it in a heartbeat. If not before then after, when they saw what had really happened. Remember there are four main reasons a person turns against his own country or government. MICE. Money, Ideology, Conscience, or Ego. I think that Conscience would come into play on this one, but I guess we will never know.

    • Bill,

      Why do you think the folks in DC are the ones running the show? Most in of them in all likelihood don’t know anymore than we do… I think only a select few know what is really going on from one week to the next…

      • Tactical G-Ma says:

        I agree with you 100% on that. And those in control may not be Americans.

        • Tactical G-Ma,

          “For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed.”

          John F Kennedy, 35th President of the United States, from a speech delivered to the American Newspaper Publishers Association on April 27, 1961 and known as the “Secret Society” speech.

          • Warmongerel says:

            If I’m not mistaken, M.D., wasn’t Kennedy talking about the Communists in that speech? You know, back when Democrats actually weren’t Communists?

          • Yup, Kennedy’s so called “secret society” speech was about the spread of Communism and journalists’ role in that “undeclared war.”
            Very good speech by the way …

      • Pineslayer says:

        MD, I would disagree on one point. Most in DC don’t want to know or know that a gun is pointed at their families. Great youtube vids below here.

    • “…Killing children? I suppose, yeah, there are people who could contemplate that with no remorse…”

      Consider this: If you wanted to coerce parents into getting rid of their guns, what better way than through their children?

      Point being: (considering this to be a ‘false flag’) Send a gunman to a school and murder a group of very young children and broadcast it so every child in the country knows it was people their age that were murdered- with filthy, immoral guns. Now the children know their parents have guns, some of them even own the type/kind/caliber that were used to murder these poor, innocent children; and these kids ask. “Why does Daddy need these guns- I don’t like them… what if Daddy decides he doesn’t like me…?” type of questions.

      How long do you think it’ll take for some parents to decide perhaps they don’t ‘need’ guns that frighten their children?

      IMO, false flags can work in many ways, especially when reinforced by the only news a great many people listen to and elected officials these same people foolishly trust.

      Too, ours has become a society that has an extremely low opinion of the sanctity of life (cf: abortion numbers), and politicians who care little for any beyond their immediate circle and family. I don’t see much difficulty in believing this government would not only conceive of such a travesty, but condone it for their benefit.

      “…Killing children? I suppose, yeah, there are people who could contemplate that with no remorse…” I have no doubt there are many in power who are well beyond the point of ‘no remorse’. But really, all it takes is one person with money and an agenda to do this- no need for any kind of ‘group think permission’. Just one person and his agenda. (Not certain why Soros comes to mind here, but… something about shoes fitting…)

  44. HoarseWhisper says:

    Most reporters wouldn’t know a Bushmaster from a Marlin 22, so I agree on the media prefered term.
    As far as all the conflicting information, when you have to chose between attributing it to a far-reaching conspiracy and plain confusion and incompetence, I always suspect incompetence. Funny story, I know a farmer who called police because 3 wild pot-belled pigs were tearing up his pasture. When the Officer arrived, he looked lost. Turns out he was a city-boy that knew nothing about animals. When the pot-bellied pigs waddled onto the scene, the Officer got on the radio and told the dispatcher ‘Send animal control! We have 3 large pigs out here!’. When corrected, he got on the radio again, this time clearly embarrased and said ‘I have been informed these are actually 3 small pigs…’. I bet he heard about that at his rollcall the next day.

  45. This goes well beyond the 2nd amendment people, it’s about TOTAL control. We are facing a crisis like nothing ever put before us previously. The vast majority of people no longer think for themselves and if it doesn’t impact them directly it is of no concern to them. Be on guard and aware for the time of serious trouble is at hand.

  46. Not gonna lie, the first time I read through this, I thought you were nuts. I took a look at it a second time and really thought about it. I can’t believe that people use terrible tragedies like this, whether they’re false flags or not, to push their agenda. The issue here isn’t even guns, it’s mental illness. Further gun control laws would’ve done absolutely nothing to prevent these terrible tragedies.

  47. Finn Mahone says:

    It’s a possability. But it would certainly have to be some sick demented people organizing such things, but desperate people do desperate things.

    On the other hand. Since the media is owned and operated by Liberals who are against the second amendment. IMHO the Liberal media is focusing on any crime committed using AR type rifles. It was proven years ago in the 90’s that so called “assault rifles” are used in less than 1% of crimes in this country,therefore prooving banning them is totally ridiculous. In fact the whole 90’s “assault weapons” ban did nothing to stem violent crimes.

    Someone needs to get up and remind the people of this country what the history of the “assault weapons” ban is and how it didn’t work. That’s if the Liberal media will allow the facts to be known.

  48. I would not be suprised at anything our government did. I lost my innocence when I took War College courses and had to study the history of world governments and the clandestine things done both by the U.S. government and those of other nations. I only believe 10% or less of any of the news I see on ANY of the networks. By the time events reach the public, all of the behind the scenes sabotage has already been set up and we never hear about it unless we work in certain sectors. Ever wonder why when the reporters cover unstable foreign governments, there are always signs there in English and people chanting protests, some of which are in perfect English, even though the protests are not aimed at Americans but at their own leaders? Just saying.

  49. Pineslayer says:

    Nothing is impossible, but I think that we are seeing an increase in these types of crimes because of our current situation. Population explosion, resources dwindling, economies dropping, jobs gone, etc. This should be no surprise to us. It will continue. Get rid of all the guns and people will start to run their 3/4 ton Pick-ups through crowds. Maybe that is what the evil people behind the curtain are hoping for. Evil knows no boundaries. I would love to see a way for citizens to do a background check on potential buyers, not that I’m going to sell anything ever again, I still kick myself for selling that Marlin 444. Given my current state of mind it is easy to buy into the false flag theory. I don’t trust anybody in either major party. I hope that we find out that this was just one deranged person, otherwise we are completely screwed. If this was a set-up the end game is our enslavement. But why? Most of the world is already enslaved, some know it, most don’t because they have food and a roof. Why murder children? If we find out that it was a set-up, let the revolution begin now. I do not want to watch this unfold one more time.

  50. WAKE UP PEOPLE! Google Invisible Empire, New World Order, Agenda 21, WWW3 timeline, Bilderberg Group, Council for Foriegn Relations, Federal Reserve. Go to Alex Jones and read/see everything on his site then go to Joel Skousen’s site and pay the small fee to download his strategic threats through 2020. You owe it to yourself and your family to dig down into it and get smart. We are on the highway to hell and it is so far down the road their goal is almost complete. Don’t forget to google and read that the POPE called for one world government on 3 Dec. That is a pretty obvious sign that our constitution is under attack and we are being stripped of all of our ability to keep it intact. Once you have done this homework assignment look at this. Go do the math folks. This is very, vrey serious. Oh and by the way – never, never believe mainstream media. 98% of it is simply to serve up your koolaid. If you take the time to dig down into all the topics above you will be a changed person. Oh and don’t fail to do this before your internet rights are also interuppted – the right for ONE person to do that (who could that be I wonder) is probably going to be signed into law in January. WAKE UP!

  51. BTW, people – conspiracy does not always belong in the same sentence as theory. It is POSSIBLE that conspiracies are just that and not just theory – why would the word conspiracy exist if they didn’t exist?! Do the homework and then wake up to what is going on.

  52. Warmongerel says:

    ROFLMAO!!! Ok, Piers “Musket” Morgan.

    Now that was funny!

  53. Barack Hussein Obama says:

    I’ve been following this conversation for some time now and I figured I’d take time off from my busy vacation to respond. MD- these accusations are simply not true. This was a horrible tragedy by nothing more than a wack job who’s mother was a prepper. Gun control really works! Just look at my home of record, Chicago. It’s a nice place to live…well, some parts are a nice place to live…well, OK, that wasn’t a good example.

    Take Hawaii for instance, I just love it. The gracious taxpayers have seen fit to allow me to unwind from my strenuous campaigning. There aren’t a bunch of wacko’s running around with guns. But, back to my point, gun control is necessary for me to fully implement my agenda, which is peace, love and prosperity for everyone who agrees with me.

    All you need to do is go along with the program and I will guarantee that everything will work out. I promise…trust me.

    • recoveringidiot says:

      That’s funny right there, I don’t care who you are. 🙂

    • Hunker-Down says:

      I’m so glad you finally arrived here!
      I’ll vote for you again and again and again, and so will all my ancestors.

      not 🙂

  54. MountainSurvivor says:

    It was evidenced that some of the metal inside the 911 buildings had been cut, prior-it was an intentional setup. The government has tested drugs, sleep deprivation, thought control, etc. and they know how to manipulate the mind. The treaty on the table, card carriers in government, socialism has become the ruler, agenda 21, everything controlled by certain elites. It’s easy to make assumptions but, I think (we) should give it a little time to see what the final reports say and then look into things a little further. If it’s not on the up and up, we’ll eventually find out. In the meanwhile, we must continue to fight the anti-gunners and spreading the truth.

  55. Warmongerel says:

    I am the last person to believe in conspiracy theories. I commented not long ago how I have a problem with a friend of mine’s conspiracy theories.

    But this is too much of a coincidence: Adam Lanz of the Newtown murders and Robert Homes of the Aurora, CO murders…both of their fathers were to testify in front of the Senate regarding the ongoing LIBOR banking scandal (look it up).

    And, when all of these “tragedies” that scream out to the low-information voter for “gun control” just happen to occur when the UN is trying to control all of the small arms in the world…I don’t believe in coincidences like that.

    And I would put nothing…nothing…past Obama and his Communist brethren. After all, if killing 150 million men, women and children is acceptable to advance your agenda, the deaths of 26 children is nothing. As Stalin said, “One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic. ”

    The “One-Worlders” are coming. Pray that enough of the military ends up on our side. After being demonized by the Left for so many years, I think that most of the military will fight against the attempted coup that is coming.

  56. Gotta love the full moon effect.

  57. Another point that I found interesting that the media seems to have left out all but one that I can find, is the brother who’s id was used in suspected murders (the older brother) that just seems to scream out. The older brother works for Ernst & Young. As reported by wall st journal dec 18 , 2012. page a6 . Now I never heard of this company so I did a simple search. They are and accounting audit firm. List of companies involved in audit scandals, E&Y show up several times and are connected to firms involved in libor scandal, according to some reports its as if E&Y never even audited some of the companies involved and gave them green lights. His father Peter Lanza who is a VP and Tax Director at GE Financial., GE is also one of the companies who paid out before going to trial.”So far, the Bank of America Corp., JPMorgan Chase & Co., UBS AG, Wells Fargo & Co. and GE’s former trading unit called GE Funding have paid $743 million to settle a criminal probe and civil claims for conspiring to rig bids on U.S. municipal-bond deals. Some money has been returned to victims. The case involving GE went to court and revealed how the scams were done. The Securities and Exchange Commission said GE Funding made millions by rigging 328 transactions in 44 states. GE operatives would get information about competing bids then adjust theirs accordingly. Sometimes they would take turns, with other intermediaries, putting in bids that were guaranteed to lose. Three individuals have been convicted of anti-trust violations.” I find it odd that the cops id or find an id of a person in a company involved in auditing some of the big names in the libor scandal, is the brother of the person of the mass murder, who is also the son of a man who works in a company, who paid out some of the largest sums of money before trial dealing with the libor scandal(not the fathers division, but same parent company). So whether the father was to testify or not, there is still a connection with both companies, father and sons.Was the older brother supposed to be set up and they messed up? Why was the computer destroyed with a blunt object instead of just shooting it, after the boy had already shot the mother in the face? Why was he wearing a mask/body armor? Why kill himself when he had hundreds of ammo left, when his intent was obviously to harm others (if he was the shooter) why even if the mother stated she wanted the “boys to learn responsibility through firearm use” would she buy a body armor/gas mask type piece of equipment just to teach target practice? (because she a prepper? lol doubt it)another interesting fact, everyone is up and arms about how this kid was a lunatic mental patient, well how they hell did he get a drivers license? Sane enough to drive a 1-2 ton heap of metal at 100 MPH but not guns? lol. Is this why initial reports mentioned he got dropped off because people would ask the same thing I just did, how did he get a license if he is so mental? Or if he doesn’t have a license, was it his brothers license he used? And if so, how or when did he get it since brother and father both say no interaction with him in three years? Since police were investigating the brother…in New jersey? “Federal sources say that identification belonging to Ryan Lanza was found at the scene, which may have caused an initial misidentification. Ryan Lanza says he had not been in contact with his brother since 2010.” also odd is that the brother lives in new jersey, where sandy hook is, the name of school is sandy hook elementary. he lives in Hoboken but the very fact it even has a sandy hook in the state where the brother lives + the school his brother shot up (supposedly) is pretty odd to say the least. The bodies were found with rifle bullets or long range wounds, but the (supposed) shooter only had hand guns on him, and rifle was in a trunk of a car. Well IM pretty sure that beats jfk’s magic bullet theory.If we even bring in the dark night, lol, dark night move trailer has a building with aurora at top in bright red letters, a shooting happens at dark night opening in aurora co. In the same movie, a map is shown with sandy hook as only visible name sandy hook is in new jersey. A shooting happens in sandy hook elementary school. The brother of the shooter lives in new jersey brothers id was found on brother of supposed shootings, LOL. Robert Holmes current position with FICO involves him handling Fraud.Now for those of you who don’t know FICO is a company that gives credit scores to Businesses and individuals. A lot of people in financial positions involved to say the least

  58. Color me jaded, but I haven’t been shocked by much in at least 30 years. A cold chill ran up my spine when Masoud was assassinated in Afghanistan. That was simply making sure that AQ’s plan would fall into place with less muss & fuss. 9/11 was very shortly thereafter.

    In both recent shooting incidents, the MSM totally frewed up the facts (& continue to do so); and in trying to appear so intelligent and smarter than the poor dumb common-sense persons, they’ve spun things inside out and backwards, fowards, square, and round to come up with their own scenarios. They’ve done their job, once again, in scaring the sheeple. Our own well-paid fifth column, and it almost doesn’t matter if black ops were involved or not. There are plenty of nut jobs out there who play copy cat for some instant glory and/or self-gratification. Whether they had help is tuff to prove. Follow the trail, whether the guns, the ammo, money, or other bodies that appear within the trail. Real black ops, there probably won’t be visible loose ends.

  59. Looking at the frenzy of gun and ammo sales this past week or so leads me to believe that a very substantial amount of people are waking to the fact that our federal government is becoming the biggest terror threat we face. ALL Americans are being faced with a very huge decision very shortly. Do you take a knee to tyranny or do you remove it?

  60. Tactical G-Ma says:

    You really opened a can of worms. Preppers are already vilified by many or at best considered demented. Now you introduce political postulates that border on the “grassy knoll” theory. Some of these ideas I wouldn’t say aloud in an empty house. Everyone does realize that the internet is public domain and we have no expectation of privacy, don’t we? We discuss OPSEC in the event of a disaster and then talk freely about ET? Careful or people may be knocking or your door.

    Just cause I am paranoid does not mean I do not have reason to be paranoid.

  61. spidermonkey25 says:

    “What these twisted souls hate is the notion that individual American victims of crime or oppression should retain any power to defend themselves, rather than mewling piteously into the telephone and then patiently waiting for our government masters to dispense aid at their leisure.”

    – Vin Suprynowicz

  62. Opinion of a simple old man….

    False Flag/Black Ops, I wouldn’t doubt it. Evil humans do what comes naturally, evil things! When a once Christian nation becomes a non-Christian (heathen) nation all these things and more is what you get. Yes there are christians in the US but when the nation by it’s ruling government bans God from any public or government entity and literally says He has no place in that nation except the physical church building(and that’s going away next) then that nation is a Godless nation. At the very least, with God there comes morals. The majority of morals in the US today is at best gutter morality. Worse is yet to come! End of sermon.

    Like I said, just an old man’s opinion. Doesn’t mean it is right or wrong but it is mine. Opinions and aches and pains are about all old people have any more.

  63. livinglife says:

    Lots of things go on that are questionable. When we stop questioning we stop learning.
    More than one shooter, he used pistols, rifle in the care, 3-4 pistols found in building, then rifle only was used. Poor reporting or a cover up? The last three shooters all used a bush master. lots of questions and no definitive answers.
    Correlation or causation?

  64. The OVerton Window.

  65. I haven’t had time to really read the entire article or all the responses, but I just have to say the recent news stories make me really wonder. I am watching the local news as I type this and there is a story about bank robbers who used “an assault-style rifle” in a couple of robberies. If there weren’t some agenda why would “officials” note the kind of weapon used to the media? Wouldn’t they want to keep that information from becoming public knowledge as a way of positively identifying and catching the robbers?

  66. Being curious about why an event happened and exchanging thoughts shouldn’t mark a person as a prepper or enemy of the gov’t. As a history buff I just find these discussions and ones like them a fascinating study in the human condition. I also study the history of war, governments and religion. It was surely be a sad thing to have intellectual exchanges (or maybe some not so intellectual ones – LOL) used as a reason for the gov’t to knock on the door! You do have a point though. No need to draw attention when one is definitely not the enemy. The do say curiousity kills the cat. I also think when a nation is hurting it is a natural human tendency to seek out answers in a forum like this.

  67. you are either awake or sleeping. for whatever reason certin people have eyes to see what is really happening, and others are in a mind controlled state. i believe its who you really are on the inside that lets no one pull the wool over your eyes. we are to be ready and awake.

  68. livinglife says:

    A brief overview of three key items under Obama.
    Main stream (lame stream) press/media taken over/won over call it what you want. He can do no wrong on three channels.
    Religion has been marginalized. “clinging to their bibles and guns” sound familiar? Lack of morals and ethics so the ends justify the means without guilt.
    Disarm the populace. Fast and furious debacle. Three of the last four shooters were all on psychotropic medications. All four used a Bushmaster. coincidence, same one? (only one of my friends has the same brand as I do) Two of the shooters had fathers involved in a finance scandal. For our ‘safety’, any means of resistance removed.

  69. Hm, seems when I questioned GW Bush (a draft dodger) and the War in Iraq (that we all know now was based on lies), I was dubbed a traitor. I don’t trust any of our so-called fairly-elected leaders anyway. They’re all crooks and liars! American politics seems to require its adherents to sell their souls to the devil. You are your own best friend.

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