Budget Prepping: A list of 20 firearms under $1000 most under $500

According as circumstances are favorable, one should modify one’s plans.” Sun Tsu

(For the sake of continuity all facts pertaining to ballistics are listed as links at the end of the article, and not within the article. I have not submitted my own testing results, simply because from experience I have found people ignore my results if they go against what they believe. When it comes from someone else, eg., the FBI or some other organization, they believe it.)

Lists are always difficult, reasons are very simple. We all want what we have been told is best by people we trust or what we have grown up believing is best. My list is based entirely on firearms I have or currently own and use and have proven themselves to me entirely. My idea of having a firearm proven too me is simple, 1000 rounds with no hiccups. Minimum 200 rounds of my chosen SD ammunition, no hiccups. Accuracy, sandbagged must be within hunting needs, eg, two inches at 100 yards for ALL rifles, 4-inch max for handguns at 25 yards, sandbagged. Lastly, shotguns, I do not use shotguns for numerous reasons*. As a result, even though I can suggest** two names that most will agree with, I will not include them on the list.

Agree or disagree, however, here is the list and I can honestly say, it is based entirely on personal experience as well as the experience of a close group of individuals. We run firearms, and we run them well. Reloading, shooting, etc., the people I surround myself with all are at the very top of their profession whichever that is. The list will be in three parts, rimfire firearms, rifles (including carbines) and handguns. So here is the list, without further ado.

  1. Mossberg 702 Plinkster, like all rimfire guns, clean it well after shooting or every 200-300 rounds. Do so and you wont have problems with it, 4lbs of lightweight accuracy and more importantly, accurate, reliable and less than $150.
  2. Ruger SR22 handgun, reliable, accurate, and with all rimfire again, clean it well after shooting. I love my Walther P22s (threaded) however, they are not inexpensive. Ruger SR22s can be had for under $300 and many times used for under $200.
  3. FegPa63, P64, Makarov 9×18 virtually any Eastern European 9×18 handgun, the round works well, it will work in self defense, I use Hornady 9×18 critical duty, NOT other rounds, some are too hot, these are blowback handguns and surplus, not designed for the +p novelty rounds out there. Most can be had for right at $250, well worth every penny. I prefer the FEGPa63 and the P64.
  4. Glock 19 or 17, denigrate the 9×19 with a solid defensive round all you want, sure BALL ammunition sucks, it sucks in everything! Modern self defense ammunition makes the 9×19 round better than the .45 and virtually equal to the ,40 or .357 and does it at half the cost. Gold Dot 115 or 124 grn, NOT 147 grn, too slow doesnt penetrate well. Or the Hornady Critical DUTY 135 grn round. These rounds have been tested and approved for carry by the FBI which is switching too the Glock 19. Accuracy folks, is far more important than a near miss with a wide projectile. I can guarantee my Glock 19 will meet and equal or beat any other firearm out there in terms of reliability, accuracy and putting a target down. Plus being 9×19 (not plus P never plus P) means even my 7 year old daughter shoots it well! Pricing is $300 – $500 depending on used or not, and remember, unlike other firearms, used only means broken in on a Glock. I prefer buying used, after all, there are changes I make automatically too mine. Personal preferences and all.
  5. Springfields XD series in 9×19. I do not like this gun, however, I cannot in all good conscience not include it, it works, it is accurate, and absolutely reliable. There is nothing to dislike other than personal taste for myself. Thats all, and thats it. $400-$700
  6. Canik 55 TP9SF a new arrival to the scene, but at a price point of $350 brand new, you cannot miss this as a possibility. If you are prepping on a budget and new to firearms, THIS is the way to go. Reliability to date is amazing, accuracy very good and it comes new with spare mags, holster, etc., I mean whats not too like! Honestly, if I didnt already have too many Glock 19s, I may have switched to these.
  7. AR15 platforms, there are dozens of approaches, builders and several calibers. My suggestion, stick with what is most popular currently, 5.56 is what you want it chambered in, or .223 wylde. I would suggest 1/8 twist or 1/9 to start, these twist rates are good in between and allow you too shoot 55 through 77 grain accurately, the 1/9 is better with 55-62 grain, however, I continue to be able to out rounds on target easily at out too 500 yards with a nice 1/9 twist nitride barrel. If you go with 1/8 it truly is a solid twist rate, at 16” MINIMUM length it is amazing. Under 14” the 5.56 loses effective velocities. For personal defense I prefer 55 grn ball ammo, again, per FBI testing it penetrates less than 12 gauge 00 buckshot in drywall. (see links) So here are the brand names I suggest, Palmetto State Armory, Delton, DiamondBack and Olympic Arms are all solid AR15 builders, they may need minor work as they are not as highly polished as a $1200 plus rifle. However, they are absolutely reliable and more importantly, the bottom side of all of these rifles can be found for between $500 and $700 apiece. (Magazines are simple, get Hexmag or Magpul magazines.)
  8. AK47 platforms or AKMs, here is where things get fun. See the simple reality is I do not have as much trigger time behind one as others do. However, I do absolutely believe in the necessity of having multiple calibers available especially in popular calibers. As a result I do use them, just not as much as my AR’s. Caliber, honestly, I prefer the 7.62×39 caliber. It works as a deer round, and other medium game as well as self defense. And anyone that tells you an AKM is inaccurate, hasnt used one. Brand names suggested are as follows, take this with a grain of salt. Red Army standard, Serbian NPaP, Definitive Arms DAKM and lastly I own and currently enjoy an IO AKM, though these have serious issues on occasion and I cannot recommend one as a survival tool. Pricing ranges from $500- $1000 for the above listed names. There are other brands and I am sure they are wonderful. But under $1000 and what I or my core have personal experience with were the guidelines. Now for the caveat, the IO after the first 200 rounds had a failure to cycle, the gas tube was 1/16th too short. I called them, they sent another immediately and it has been rectified. It has been accurate and I have successfully put another 1200 rounds through it without a failure. Hence it passed the test. By accurate I do mean well within parameters set.
  9. This category has a different approach, it is something many people do not consider. Hunting and shooting over 500 yards. Though there are thousands of people on-line especially who make wonderful claims regarding their prowess as a shooter, distances past 500 yards are not easy, and when you hit the 800 mark, things start getting REALLY fun. Personally I have shot past 1000 yards only a few times, and while I am a very good shot from 0 through 500 yards with simple iron sights, past this is not easy. My observations and experiences are much more refined in this area, leaving the last two spaces for un-scoped milsurp and scoped non milsurp. Iron sights at distance there are only three rifles I can honestly suggest, that meet the criteria as stated. Enfields .303 (I prefer the MkIV or III), Mauser 8mm K98, Swiss K31 in 7.5×55 (my personal favorite, and a rifle I have taken to 1100 yards four times now, with iron sights, amazingly very very nicely. Each of these can be had for between $300 and $600 and should be looked at closely prior to purchase for signs of wear. (Side note my first rifle at 16 was a MkIV Enfield that I took jackrabbits at 400 to 600 yards regularly, quite fun when young, but the eyes go with age.)
  10. Long distance rifles, non milsurp. Remington 700, Mossberg 100 ATR, Weatherby Vanguard are all wonderful rifles, I have owned them all and shot them all, and loved them all very much. The Vanguard was a sub MOA model, (not normal) and shot under an inch off of a bipod at 100 yards. The Remington and Mossberg both shot very well also. Pricing ranges from $300 – $600 for these rifles. You can upgrade all of them as you go and get the money, however, an inexpensive Bushnell scope will get you on paper well for around $200 or less.

There you have my list, again, subjective, absolutely! But realistic, also ABSOLUTELY!

*Why dont I use a shotgun, this is an interesting question with a VERY simple answer. Here is my response. I have grade v spondylolisthesis (since I was 12- and yes I worked for over two decades full time with grade IV before it went to grade V), nerve damage down my left leg below the knee and in my right leg is permanent and severe. When I am tired or in pain (which is daily, pain can be a friend) I drag my feet and eventually my legs simply stop working. Literally I fall straight down several times a week. Weight is NOT an option, shotguns equal weight. 10 shotgun shells weigh the same as 200 rounds of .22lr or 50 rounds of 5.56. Eating birds shot with a shotgun is a process filled with fun times and occasionally cleaning lead or steel shot out of your teeth. I can build a live trap for birds easily, that works and the parts are found growing around us. As a self defense weapon it is NOT the “just aim at the general direction” that people like to say it is. Even from a 18” barrel the shot WILL not spread enough at defensive distances to allow that approach and honestly, if you have children or animals, why would you want stray shots anyhow. So there you go. An AR is MUCH easier to shoot far more accurately, as is a solid 9mm handgun.

**If a shotgun you must have, Mossberg 500/ 590/88 (Maverick), Remington 870 – there easy, yes ive owned them, no I wouldnt again simply because everything I have must have a use.

See the links below for statistical real information regarding ballistics.

http://www.brassfetcher.com/FBI%20Ammunition%20Protocol/FBI%20Ammunition%20Protocol.html

https://ntoa.org/public/Publications/Articles/2158.pdf

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/

http://catm.com/yabbfiles/Attachments/FBI_Defensive_Systems_Unit_Ballistic_Research_Facility_FBIAcademy.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXOIQgfvVlE

Comments

  1. Once you have decided on a particular purpose for the firearm, I believe there are 2 things to consider.

    The first is fit. If the weapon does not fit you it will not matter whether it cost $100 or $8500, you won’t like it; therefore won’t shoot it.

    The send is availability of parts, ammo, and accessories (like magazines). I really like the Ruger SR9, but until recently magazines are $35-40 each. I can spend more for a Glock and end up spending less due to the cost outside of the gun.

    One other thing to remember about the cost of a gun, you get what you pay for. Yes, a $150 Hi-Point is better than nothing, and will kill someone just as dead as a Wilson 1911, but how many times will it fire before it fails? On the other end, why buy a $3500 Wilson when you can buy 4 Ruger 1911’s, 4 spare magazines for each, holsters, and 1500 rounds of ammo.

    I just encourage new firearms owners to ask as many questions of current firearms owners, evaluate what you are hearing and make the BEST choice for you and your budget.

    If you do it right you won’t spend as much as I have over the years and beable to focus on other preps and practice.

    • Hi JP, you are spot on about fit.

      If anyone is wondering what a gun which fits is like, it means when you look at the target, the gun is too. No waggling your head to the side or up and down to line up sights, no twisting your arm this way or that. Look at the target, then look at the sights, and realize they are looking at the same point you were.

      It took me a long to time to figure that out, and one of the revelations came after years of using a Colt 1911 with the standard arched mainspring housing, then trying another 1911 with a flat mainspring housing. (That’s a removable/exchangable part, easy to do even for a novice if you have directions and proper tools)

      The difference was unbelievable: the arched housing made the grip just a little bit longer front to back, so it pushed the muzzle off to the right just a little bit, and I had always been compensating for that. It slowed down every shot because I had to adjust.

      With the flat housing the gun naturally pointed wherever I was looking. The arched mainspring housing works fine for people with bigger hands than I have, but it does not work for me.

      Same thing with shotguns: most people think people who spend the thousands of dollars a custom made, custom fit shotgun costs are doing so because they are pretty. That’s one reason, but the more important one is that custom guns are made to fit the owner, right down to specifying what clothes you will normally be wearing when using it.

      Then the gun is made to measure for you, in your preferred clothes. When the butt hits your shoulder, the gun is pointing exactly where you are looking. Bang. Dead target. No scrunching your head around while the target slides away.

      So to my mind, a lesser (but reliable) gun which fits YOU is far better than the great gun which doesn’t.

      • Penrod:

        If you found the flat mainspring housing more comfortable, like I did, I do not recommend you pick up one with the flat-mainspring and a rounded off bottom corner. That is unless you are ready to spend money with a gunsmith or $1400-1500 for a new 1911. The feel is that much better. That corner bites into the meaty part of my hand, and with that gone the gun is several times come comfortable. Too the point that I am looking at parts and smithwork to do my other Kimber 1911.

        You have been warned!

        • Jesse Mathewson says:

          I agree fit is important, however, not everything. Hence my clear statement, “My list is based entirely on firearms I have or currently own and use and have proven themselves to me entirely.

          Otherwise agreed, to an extent.

  2. Chuck Findlay says:

    The debate on what gun to have will never end, the gun magazines have been debating it forever.

    I feel it’s much more important to have several guns then is is to debate what specific gun or caliber to have.

    I agree on the Shotgun thing Jesse, I have a few of them but they don’t get used much. I have a Savage 24 (20 ga) and a BT-99 trap gun I don’t use any more as I long ago gave up trap shooting.

    Whatever gun a person ends up with they should get out and shoot it and build up a good supply of ammo.

    How much ammo is another debate without an easy answer as there are different SHTF situations we all prepare for. But generally the more ammo the better off you are. Like you I’m pretty well prepared for WWIII as far as ammo…

    • Chuck:

      How much is enough ammo?

      I like to think that if you can move it all, by yourself, in less than an hour, you don’t have enough! IMO.

    • Jesse Mathewson says:

      Exactly! Well said Chuck.

      As for ammo. Honestly, I probably have not enough for some, but too much for eithers.

      See I buy ammo per gun. And calculate it in this way, rounds of practice monthly x 12 x 5 for minimum practice/range ammo. Rounds of SD/hunting x 0.25 of practice rounds x 12 x 5.

      Than I try and cache spare mags and rounds as well- multiple locations, 1 hr interval from house on foot/ again on bicycle and lastly by vehicle. (In multiple directions.)

      Which leads to next prep. How many magazines…well. Honestly, I prefer preloading mags, 2 under spec, and want a minimum of 20 mags for defensive firearms/ 10 for hunting/ 5 for all others.

      And so on.

      Its a never ending debate. After all. There is no realistic way one can prepare for every eventuality, period.

  3. 1 gun is none, 2 are 1….. You prove this again Jesse. Thx!

    • I take small issue with what the gentlemans list was, but why the plinkster and not a used Ruger 10/22? also, p-64? over an american caliber?, I have a 32 and a 380, and a buttload of inexpensive 22 revolvers and a high standard semi and a ruger mk2, Also the enfield and swiss gun? I have been prepping since before y2k and I always thought american calibers and older the better. I have 2 brazilian 08/34’s in 30’06, very fine shooters and 2 fr-8 spanish carbs in 7.62×51…just saying american for america….

      • Joel: about the used 10-22….IMO…

        I work a lot of gun shows and I will tell you, you can get a new Plinster and a bunch of ammo for the cost of a used 10/22. They are close in accuracy and the 10/22 is heavier.

        Most of the 10/22’s on dealer tables at the shows will run you $75-100 more than a Plinster. Now, if you can get one directly from another person, the costs will be significantly different.

        • Good reply, if we are talking budget, when I bought my first 10/22, I never looked back, I have 3 of them, but as for prepping one of my 1st considerations was availability of ammo in a SHTF situation….that being said, even reloading, 9 x 18 or 7.5 x 55 or whatever, makes no sense.
          9 x 19. 45 acp, 38 spec, 357 mag, 308, 300 win mag,30’06,
          I do have an odd ball, 260 Rem, but I can neck down a 308 and make those….

          • Jesse Mathewson says:

            Joe, common calibers, I always choose commonly available calibers.

            .32 acp or 7.65mm and .380 are both extremely expensive and less powerful and common than 9×18 🙂

          • Jesse Mathewson says:

            As far as 10/22 vs. 702

            Weight and cost/

            Reliability is nil. My plinksters regularly outshoot 10/22s at appleseeds in.both accuracy and reliability.

            I choose cost and weight efficiency when faced with comparable qualities of other aspects.

            • Axelsteve says:

              I had a 10/22 and it was in the boat during the accident. Along with a few Marlins. They were all great guns. It is like ice cream get what you like. As far as ww2 milsurp be careful . As much as I love the 03 springfeild watch your serial numbers. You want the nickel steel not the case hardend ones. Mosins are ok guns however if you start modding. You can get a used or entry level bolt gun cheaper.

    • Jesse Mathewson says:

      A pleasure B

  4. Good analysis. Terrible about the nerve damage and you are right about shotgun ammo weight. I do like shotguns for short range though, for a number of reasons. First the damage of a buckshot round is devastating. I saw this first hand on large wild boar in Turkey. Second, no one argues with the business end of a 12 GA. Third, in residential setting, the shot will not travel through a wall and kill your neighbor. Fourth, while just pointing in the right general direction is not a good idea, a shotgun does allow for wider variation in aim.

  5. Thomas The Tinker says:

    There will be a gun show in Maumee, Ohio this month. Jan. 14 & 15th. at the Lucas County Fair Grounds. There I plan to sit and argue, barter, trade, buy & sell what ever it takes to empty out 2/3rds. of my gun safe. I started last year. Time .. for me .. to cull out the safe queens and the deals I couldn’t resist and didn’t need and all the Bastard caliber irons I have collected. Looking for one more revolver and one bolt gun. Drop by and we’ll swap lies and shoo away the flies. I keep an extra chair under the tables for ya. Look for MD’s ‘logo’.

    • Jesse Mathewson says:

      If I could make it Thomas I would, Arizona is a bit of a drive and I really don’t like flying with all the barely walking security oogling everything on two legs 🙂

  6. j.r. guerra in south tx. says:

    I have the Polish P64 but did not know about ammunition sensitivity – thanks for the tip ! I haven’t shot it that much and want to keep it around longer.

    Swiss K31 – those are beautifully made, aren’t they. I bought mine when they had just come to the U.S. in early 2000s and at the time were priced under $100 !! My gosh, such a deal ! Somewhat difficult to scope with the overhead overhead case ejection. Insta-mount was one scope mount that required no gunsmithing but you need an intermediate eye relief (i.e. scout) scope for comfortable viewing.

    Thanks again.

    • Jesse Mathewson says:

      I love the k31, honestly its the one gun I ignored my own rules of ammo availability for 🙂

    • Jesse Mathewson says:

      I swap trigger and recoil springs in my east european 9x18s and boy howdy they get fun too shoot.

      Wolff springs, up the recoil by 2-4 lbs and drop the trigger by 2-4 lbs you will love the result.

  7. Good review. As always.

  8. You make it sound like someone shooting a shotgun is expecting to aim in a general direction and get hit on a 6 ft target. That’s not the point. The point is that even a 6″ spread at close quarters gives you that much bigger of a target area. It could be the difference between winging your target and having at least one devastating buck shot round land center mass. While you do raise valid concerns about weight and recoil, a shotgun for home defense is THE ultimate weapon (not necessarily right in every instance though).

    • Jesse Mathewson says:

      Shotguns by default are not better, thats my only point, additionally aimed is best

      • You still “aim” with a shotgun. The only difference is that if you are slightly off the shotgun is more forgiving. Any other firearm is simply registered as a miss. I’m not saying nothing else could or should be used, I’m just pointing out that you get the most lead down range per trigger pull with a shotgun vs. any other platform (short of a fully automatic weapon). THAT is what makes it the ultimate personal defense weapon.

        • Chuck Findlay says:

          You still “aim” with a shotgun. The only difference is that if you are slightly off the shotgun is more forgiving.

          You have never been shooting with my friend (Fred the cop) he can’t hit SH*t with any gun. Aim is a very elusive thing to him. It amazes me that he can point a gun (don’t want to use the word “aim”) at a target and unload 2 clips and only hit it 5 or 6 times. I’m sure everyone here can out shoot him.

          I said to him once (while pointing at my forehead) “If I’m ever taken hostage, aim right here.” He didn’t like it, but it was funny to everyone else…

          • Jesse Mathewson says:

            Ive said that a few times while training…civilians training police is difficult, they tend to ignore you
            So I would start by grabbing one of their sodas, tossing it in the air drawing and shooting once or twice before hitting ground. Than continue bouncing it along the ground until they were all sitting there mouths open.

            I would then say, look, you will be able to do this by the end of the day if you pay attention.

            That usually shut em up.

  9. For anyone without nerve damage and lives in a country like Canada or Great Britain, a shotgun is the choice to have IMO.

    12 gauge shotguns are very pervasive in my country (Canada) and even more so in the incredibly restrictive Britain.

    It comes down to ammo availability. I live close to a rural area and in just about every house is a shotgun and ammo. Rifles too but if a place has guns in it then almost guaranteed it will have 12 gauge. Who knows about any other caliber?

    I’m not saying don’t have anything else but having a (properly fitted as JP in MT says) shotgun is probably a smart move if you’re here.

  10. Spare parts important? Think about purchasing firearms used by the military. There will always be spare parts, magazines, and ammo available for them….

    If ya can walk and chew gum at the same time, and are an old country boy who knows baling wire, build your own AR and get exactly what you want in a rifle….

  11. Good article Jesse.
    Add this / change that……..looks like I’m well covered.

  12. Jesse Mathewson says:

    As a general caveat. I was clear in that the milsurp big rifles were, “milsurp” eg., calibers being non specific, or not in general use. That being said, the K31 as much as I love her would get buried with a few others if shtf and I had to bug.

    Sadly.

    Because it is truly an amazing round, less drop at 800-1000 than .308 and nice coefficients and amazingly accurate.

  13. I hear a lot of talk regarding confiscation, trashing 2A…

    Any pack thoughts on what will be looked for?…. Will any & all registered since 1968 be grabbed? Or will Brady Bill era be more the determining time frame? Or conceal/carry licenses issue date?

    What effect will the date of purchase be?

    How will moving affect the grabbers fantasies’ fulfillment?

    As I respect all law, I wish to render what is lawful & proper. I’m a law abiding proper prepper.

    BTW- Thx for the reprint of the article of the fella from Bosnia. SHTF may be much worse, it may be light weight. No telling. It’s good to hear the song straight from the survivor’s mouth.

    • bobbo:

      Just for your imformation, accourding to ATF’s own printed brochure, there is no requirement for a person to keep records of the sale of their personal firearms. (I keep a copy in my gun show accessory box.)

      As a reuslt, confiscation will be difficult at best and assumed that people will allow it to happen. And that no one will try to disrupt the process before it comes to them.

    • Jesse Mathewson says:

      While confiscation may occur, and some may indeed give in, I for one will never give up my freedom willingly, we have a duty to stand against immoral laws.

  14. Oops, common calibers a great idea….. Easier to outfit if/when shtf. This includes parts, cleaning supplies, etc. What’s available may save 1. What isn’t won’t. Got hoppes 9?

    • Chuck Findlay says:

      Common calibers a great idea….. Easier to outfit if/when shtf.

      I’m not too sure on that. In the last few years I have seen 225 Winchester, 7–MM Mauser, 32 Mag (I shoot it) 41 Mag (I also shoot it) on shelves where 223 / 5.56, 308, 3006 9 MM, 40 S&W and 22 Long Rifle have all been gone.

      I never rely on store stock to supply my ammo / bullet needs as almost every time I have bought a gun I own hundreds of rounds of ammo before the gun came in. I then kept building supplies up to a respectable level, some may say excessive lever, but then I never came close to running out of 22 ammo where most did…

      As long as you build up your ammo supply, why should it make a difference if others like the caliber or not?

      I really like my 32 Mag handguns (I have 3 of them) and have maybe 5,000 rounds loaded up and the ability to load a lot more. I don’t have to worry if Joe down the street has any 32 Mag ammo.

    • Chuck Findlay says:

      Got Hoppes 9?

      US Gov did a study and auto transmission fluid makes a good gun cleaning fluid. Nice to know, and a quart will last a long time.

  15. Just Brad says:

    Good reviews, great stuff but why never +p in 9mm, great results with Speer gold dot 124gr +p…..just curious. I’m a Glock 26,19 and 17 fan.

    • Jesse Mathewson says:

      Just Brad I agree, the results take the 9mm too over standard .40sw and .357- however, for the extra 40-70 fps you get recoil similar to .40- for myself I arm a family, and several others as well, recoil is not a good thing for the wife/ children – but mag interchangeability is. So, given the specs on gold dot 115 or 124 grn versus .40 165 federal (modern black talon) im only losing a few ftlbs of energy overall and again beating the 220 grn .45 by almost 70 ftlbs

      – hence my “never +p” simply put it defeats the net benefit for myself and my loved ones of well aimed repeatable shots 🙂

  16. TPSnodgrass says:

    I went to the Glock side later in life, and yeah, my Glocks are YOU-guy, (way beyond ugly), but, I enjoy their innate reliability. In a bit of foolishness, I also sold off My Springfield XD pistols to a very good friend, who nagged me until I sold them to him. In process of replacing one of them.
    Excellent article, enjoyed the posts from everyone as well!
    Enjoy this site a great deal, I look forward to checking in daily.

  17. You seriously need to learn the difference between “too” and “to”.

  18. Len Landrum says:

    I enjoyed your article. We very seldom have articles written from a handicaps point of view. I think you are right to stick to the lower powered weapons, 22, 9s ect. I’ve spent a great deal of my professional time as a cop. My 870 always was the weapon that came out of the veh. on a hot call. I do understand if you can’t you can’t. Hope your health improves.
    Len

    • Jesse Mathewson says:

      Unfortunately it is a degenerative nerve issue, eg., zero fixes just stop gaps and new thinking and approaches when needed. Being a stubborn person I will keep going till I fall over for good 🙂

      The feedback is always appreciated. And yes, I miss my shotguns, had some nice ones over the years.

  19. Nice read. My problem is i like most all guns. My son and i settled on 9mm for hand guns, 12 gauge for shotguns and 556 for rifles. We have a lot off others but it is easy to build a good supply of ammo for these. 3006,3030, and 270 for hunting. You can find ammo anywhere for these. Hope your health improves.

  20. http://www.gunsandammo.com/ammo/hornadys-critical-duty-faces-the-fbi-ammunition-protocol-test/

    http://ntoa.org/public/Publications/Articles/2158.pdf

    Additionally, 147 grain ammunition is easily defeated with thick clothing-

    http://www.tactical-life.com/gear/defense-loads-of-choice-the-word-from-the-street/2/

    Plus I have reams of first hand knowledge regarding performance. Again, regardless size, shape etc., accurate placement is absolutely essential always.

    However I recommend testing yourself

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