Checklist for Refugees Post-SHTF



This is a guest post and entry in our non-fiction writing contest  by Bitsy Pieces

I have two types of family and friends: those who are prepared without realizing it, and those who are not. The ones who are prepared keep a small stockpile of food (because they shop sales and coupon). They may have a garden, have developed self-sufficiency skills, and will try to make a go of it as long as they can.

There are also some who are woefully under prepared. At best, they have a week’s worth of food in their homes. They are used to government assistance and aid from their church. They don’t have a strong work ethic, and they’d die without help from others.

But both of these types of loved ones share one thing in common: neither have a preparedness mindset. Although the first group is inadvertently better prepared than the average person, they still don’t “think” like a prepper. So to them, a metal bucket is just a bucket. It’s not a toilet or a rain barrel or a cooking pot.

These two groups of people share another thing in common: sooner or later, they will show up at my doorstep after TSHTF. (The unprepared group will, of course, show up sooner.) And because they lack the prepper mindset, they are likely to show up with only a suitcase packed with clothes. Left behind in their homes will be numerous items that could be invaluable in dire times.

So I have compiled a list to hand to these refugees when they ask to stay in my home, live underneath the blanket of protection I can provide, and dine on my food storage. Assuming they have the time, they are to take this list and return to their home. They are to procure any of the items they have on the list and return with them. Only then will they be allowed to enter.

Rather than making it a simple list of items, I’ve also (in some cases) noted a few purposes these things may serve. Hopefully, it will help get their minds into “prepper thinking” as they go through their homes and gather useful items. I think I’ve included most of the items you can expect a non-prepper might have. Most of my friends and family are unlikely to have a generator, for example, or a solar-powered battery charger. What do you think, Wolf Pack? Any other suggestions?

Things you may want to bring from home

  • Any and all food/beverages: Including half-empty cans of coffee, open boxes of crackers and the stray apple in the bottom of your fridge. ANYTHING edible should be salvaged. Don’t forget your supply of spices and herbs.
  • Booze/alcoholic beverages: This can be used for trade/barter, disinfecting wounds, or simply drinking.
  • Pots/pans: Particularly cast iron, large stew/soup pots, and frying pans. We’ll be cooking for more people now, and often over an open fire.
  • Food containers: Plastic or glass, especially those with lids. Look for anything that can be used to store dehydrated foods.
  • Bundles of old newspapers: Newspaper has multiple uses, including twisted tightly to make logs for burning and crumpled for toilet paper.
  • Matches, lighters, other fire starting implements: We will need these for the woodstove (to keep us warm) and for cooking fires.
  • Charcoal: If you have a charcoal grill, bring that along, too. We may have to use this for cooking if electricity ceases to be available.
  • Any camping equipment: Including camp stoves, propane tanks, tents, sleeping bags, cook sets, etc. Consider that we are basically “roughing it” right now, so bring anything you have to make the experience more pleasant.
  • Candles: Bring your fancy scented candles, as well as any other candles you may have (tea lights, birthday candles, etc.). These can provide light, warmth and a small cooking surface if necessary.
  • Flashlights and lanterns: If the power goes out, these will be our primary light source.
  • Batteries: Pilfer all working batteries from electronics. We’ll need them for flashlights and lanterns.
  • Medical supplies: Including band-aids, bandages, antibiotic ointments, Pepto, cough syrup, pain relievers, thermometers, hot water bottles, cold packs. Anything that can be used for either minor or major injuries should be acquired.
  • Sewing supplies: Such as needles, threads, extra fabric, scissors, yarn, crochet hooks, etc. We may very well have to repair our clothing or make our own at some point in the future.
  • Plastic bins/tubs: These can be used to catch rainwater if necessary. They can also be used for storage.
  • Plastic bags: Including plastic grocery bags, plastic garbage bags, etc. If you have tarps, bring those, too. These can be used for everything from trash to personal waste disposal.
  • Wagons: Even kid’s wagons are welcome. These can be used for hauling water, wood, soil, rocks, etc.
  • Hand tools: Don’t forget things like an axe, nails/screws/etc. and work gloves. Anything that can be used to repair buildings around the house, shore up home security, or build fences will be useful.
  • Gardening supplies: Such as gardening tools, gloves, seed packets, pots, extra bags of soil, etc. We will be gardening to replenish food supplies.
  • Paper products: Bring your supply of toilet paper, tissues, paper towels, paper plates, paper cups. The more paper products we have, the less water is wasted doing dishes.
  • Hygiene/Cleaning products: Including soap, shampoo, hand sanitizer, dish detergent, laundry detergent, bleach and other cleaning products. Bleach can be used to purify water, and proper cleaning of items will help reduce illnesses in the household.
  • Clothing: Bring clothing for yourself, but make sure to bring extra socks, shoes made for work, and clothing that can be layered for cold weather. We don’t know how long this crisis will last, and during this time you will be working hard.
  • Blankets and pillows: We simply do not have enough bedding for everyone.
  • Rope: Including all types of string, rope and line. Anything that can be used to bundle or tie is useful.
  • Firearms/Ammo: Don’t forget about your hunting rifle or your shotgun. Any type of firearm would be welcomed. Bring it even if you don’t have ammo. Someone else may have ammo for your gun, or we may be able to obtain it through trade/barter.
  • Entertainment: Board games, card games, books, puzzles and such. You may find the nights get long without television to entertain you.

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Comments

  1. Bitsy:
    I like the list. It is also useful for preppers to see if they forgot any areas. I know as I was looking at the list there were a couple of areas that I am week on.
    I too have several “friends” who do understand prepping but don’t do much, and others who think it is a joke (but will try to show up). One coworker one time said he’d head for my house if things really went bad. I told him “call first”. It took him a minute to realize that if you come knocking on my door unexpectedly in a SHTF time you just might get shot before you got out your identity.

  2. Bitsy pieces
    Yeah, but they waited till the last minute and said that they were lucky to get out when they did.
    This is a good list. One should print it out and nail it to family and friends front door. Of course that would go over like a lead balloon and way over their heads.
    Seems everyone is related to “Moocher”.

  3. Good list. I know these were intended but just to be explicit: Add wheelbarrows under wagons and sheets under blankets/pillows (sleeping and for clothing).
    Also all bath, hand, beach and tea towels. From experience a couple layers of towels on a bed substitutes for a blanket. Clothes pins. Wind up wristwatches. Pellet and bb guns. Heck, just bring the whole house, ok?

    • Layers of newspapers between the blankets can also add insulation along with the towels.

      • FarmerKin says:

        My mom salvaged an old quilt from my grandparents barn after their death. The quilt had been hand-made from scraps of fabric by my great-grandmother (probably back in the late 20′ or early 30′s judging by the writing she incorporated with her stitches). It was very worn and torn … which revealed to us that she had used newspaper as the batting.

    • My first thought was on the tools line, without explicit instruction, made bold that no power tools are to be bought, you will have an overwhelimg variaty of powertools, and no way to power them.

      However, as others have said, this does well blow your opsec unless distrubted at SHTF, and by then …

  4. This is a great list to bring to your bug-out location too!

  5. I would tell then to loose thier entitlement attitude back where ever they came from.

  6. Unfortunately the absence of the “prepper” (can do) mindset is something that won’t change. Even after WTSHTF these people won’t have the capacity to work hard, follow instructions or realize that thier half a** contributions from your list still won’t equal the sacrifice you are making by saving their ass. My old man was pretty worthless as a father but he did teach me that if you are talking to a man with your hat out its not a good idea to try and set rules on how he is to help you

    • The pilgrims had a motto, “You don’t work, you don’t eat”, so make sure the larder is in a room with a sturdy, lockable door, and make sure everyone knows that breaking in and taking food is stealing, and will get ou ejected. You’ll generally only need to eject one person to get everyones attention.

      • Darn straight, OhioPrepper! I was just telling the Mr. that we need to replace the supply room door with a nice, heavy wooden or metal door with a deadbolt.
        But, I would worry that the ejected person would meet up with others looking for supplies, and lead them back to your place…perhaps with weapons.

        • Cruzette,

          That was my thought too. If you kick someone out, expect them to come back with an armed group.

          • Dean in Michigan says:

            Cruzette,

            If you turn out desperate people, which we all must do at some point, you can affectively put yourself on 24 hour watch. They will be back!! Next time, you don’t even let them near your front door, let alone an interior door.

            Protect you domaine, make sure you hit the guy with the molotov, and worry about the bad dreams later.

        • That’s why you have weapons.

        • Unless of course the ejected person were a prepping neighbor, a plant, an actor if you will, who spent a few days with you until you sent him packing (to home of course). He would then of course have to stay away for at least a few months until everyone had gotten into a routine, and perhaps he had shaved or grown a beard. Just sayin.

  7. Bitsy,

    This article is a wonderful example of networking and sharing on the web. Even thought I have been doing this for a long time, (and thought I knew more than most) it never occurred to me to ask someone coming to my house to do this.

    Most of my family is too far away to have it be an issue with them. But anyone local coming to me for help, will now get Bitsy’s list handed to them.

    Thank you Bitsy!

  8. I’d add that everyone should have their own plate/cup/bowl/silverware. Can you serve a refugee camp without the good china once the paper plates run out?

    I had to apologize for not having a child-suitable glass last thanksgiving. Fortunately he was still young enough that they carried his gear everywhere and had a sippy-cup.

    • Kelekona,
      I agree that a personal mess kit would prove very beneficial. You do not need to go out and buy one either. They can easily be made by looking in the kitchen cupboards.
      Tonya

  9. riverrider says:

    nice idea but if your relatives are like mine, they won’t have anything of use on the list either. they’ll just show up hungry, like they do now. i’m making up a “contract” that they will read and sign and follow or they will be “asked” to leave. it will include that they accept that i’m in charge, that they will have to work, stand guard, become proficient in a usable skill etc. no work, no food. they should know me by now, that i am capable of enforcing the agreement. mutiny would do no good as they know they won’t make it w/out me.

  10. And don’t forget…um, you could also add…uh…okay, I got nothing. Great list, very comprehensive.

  11. Bitsy Pieces,

    Good article. Gets one thinking about what to do when people show up looking for help, especially if they are family be they, in laws or outlaws.

    I question your list of things to bring. 1. If you hand this out prior to the event happening you have eliminated your OPSEC. 2. If they show with kids in tow,do you send them back to get items on The List? What if they walked and have no transportation as in worst case scenario? If you turn them away and they wander down the road and are angry, what if they tell everyone they come across that you have a house full of supplies and give out your address? If others see people heading to your place with all sorts of items, it can set you up for more and possibly dangerous encounters with total strangers who are desperate.

    I am playing devils advocate here, but if things get bad and people do show up and are your extended family or good friends whatever you do will cause other problems. As someone who preps, you (we) have the uneviable problem of deciding who gets and who dosen’t get help from us. Some really tough choices will have to be made.

    Strict OPSEC is the best policy. The breadth and depth of preps is no ones business. If others believe you are as ill prepared as they are, they probably won’t show up on your doorstep.

    • Eagle, I agree with you. If you give them the list, you are also letting them know that you can (and will?) feed and protect them, if they just bring a bit of the junk they have in their garage.

      Keep silent or try to get them to prepare……..who knows which is the better choice.

  12. Jackofwhispers says:

    Well done.

  13. Unfortunately… I have to agree with Eagle. In a SHTF situation, I will give advice – that’s free – but other than my children and elderly parents, no one gets material help. I mean no one. I have the advantage of a rather remote and inaccessible bug-out nearby owned by dear friends (preppers), and together over the last 8 years, we have built it up to accommodate both of our families’ needs. That has not been a small investment in time, energy, or finances, and I Don’t Feel the Need to Share with anyone who has not put in a similar level of investment.
    Sharing this list with someone who comes to my door is an invitation to conflict… and I’d prefer to avoid that if at all possible!
    Sorry… the list is interesting in its level of detail, but I am not likely to be able to extend a blanket of protection over anyone not in my immediate family, no matter how many towels or medical supplies they bring along. They’ll just have to muddle through with the rest of the zombies.
    I should modify the ‘free advice’ offer, as well. If I rely on the use of wild forage to supplement my family’s diet, I am not going to tell starving strangers that tiger lily bulbs and buds are tasty! There won’t be a lily for miles. The information is out there now, when there is no immediate need for it. They had the same opportunities to learn that we have now.
    Mean… yes. Necessary… perhaps.
    In a gentler world than when SHTF, it is unnecessary to act this way, and so for now, will teach anyone who wants to learn. Doesn’t mean that behavior is not subject to change.

    • alikaat,
      You must be one of those evil mean conservatives. Bravo!!!

      • Hi OP-
        You know… I’m not, usually. Rereading that post makes me realize just how concerned I am about current political, environmental, and economic events. I’m someone who is nominated to organize events and hold minor elected offices more often than not, and though I am not registered with either major party, I tend to vote with the Democratic party on social issues for the simple reason that cutting the bottom half of society loose would lead to increases in civil unrest – which we certainly don’t need to add to the above list! That is almost sure to happen in the next few years, no matter what the gub’t does.
        The conservative bent to my rant… I think that is coming from the dawning realization of the inevitability of it all. There is really nothing that can be done, and a lot of people are going to suffer. From a scientist’s point of view, none of this is any one person or entity’s fault (again, in spite of what the major parties will say!). It is up to those of us who are aware of what is coming to communicate it to as many people as we can, at the risk of being ridiculed by those who think we are tilting at windmills.

        • CountryGirl says:

          I hate to state the obvious but the welfare state that has spent $16 trillion to buy off the poor (or buy their vote) is the reason we are in such deep shit. Wouldn’t it have been smarter to help people but NOT give them things (money, food, health care, housing, cell phones, etc.) so that we wouldn’t have 45 million people dependent on welfare and unwilling and unable to take care of themselves? Make no mistake if/when this becomes a full on economic collapse/depression the “bottom half of society” will “increase civil unrest” ;>)

          • Couldn’t have said it any better myself. I’m in total agreement with you. I was that whinny little entitled person who wanted to be given what everyone else had. Then I met my DI who had a very unique and physical way of removing those entitled thoughts from us.
            Deo duce, ferro comitante

        • alikaat,
          It is ultimately the fault of all of us who vote these people into office, time after time. It is the fault of those elected officials to whom an oath to the constitution are just words. I tend to be somewhere libertarian to conservative and think that those on the bottom rung fell into the safety net, and then took one of two tracks. The net became a hammock where they are comfortable hanging out and being taken care of, or a net, a trap that has ensnared them. I would much rather spend 10 times the resources to teach them to fish, rather than simply handing them more fish, and seeing them become more dependent every day. Those in the hammock need a swift kick, and those in the trap need to be extricated, stood up on their feet, and given some training. Skills will build self esteem, and when they become contributing members of society, we will eventually no longer need the welfare state and the failure that is the war on poverty.

          Benjamin Franklin had what I think is the correct attitude on those in poverty, when he said, “I am for doing good to the poor, but…I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed…that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” Ben saw this over 200 years ago and we still haven’t learned, unless of course the plan is dependence and hand outs in exchange for votes, which is what I think.

          Those with mental and developmental disabilities and children need to be taken care of; however, cell phones, color TV’s, and food programs that allow people to buy potato chips and lobsters on our dime, are failures that only breed more dependency. It’s time for a change.

          • Ohio Prepper
            The safety net turned hammock or trap… simply brilliant. These entitlements are driving me crazy, and I pray we can change.

          • Hi OP-
            I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately, the ‘spend 10 times the resources to teach them to fish, rather than simply handing them more fish’ goal is much, much easier to support than to organize and to pay for – and with skills to be employable, where are they going to work?
            That is almost irrelevant, however… and not the point. The point is to find a long-term solution to the generational welfare state problem. I propose that there is none. Even if someone or some group were to come up with something that would work this miracle, with the overly-complex and divided form of government we are blessed with, it would never make it through the multi-staged political process – too many small fiefdoms with their fingers in the pie who are unwilling to give up on their (non-productive) personal projects. The sheer inertia of the system, the investments that not just individuals, but whole classes of individuals have to keep the status quo has rendered it impossible to solve major problems of our day.
            I really don’t think there is a solution to the problem you describe. Instead another shovelful of dirt is removed from the grave our gub’t is digging itself with each vote cast. Because it is inevitable.
            If someone out there has some kind of solution… please, speak out. This is an unusually insightful and intelligent group – if there is a non-lethal solution to this problem, it is not impossible that it would come from a group like this one.

            • alikaat,
              I don’t believe in inevitable in this case. You vote in the people who espouse your small government views, and if it turns out they are lying, you vote them out. You keep this up until those running for office finally realize that the only way to keep this job for any length of time is to honor the oath and follow their principles. It will take a grassroots effort, but I still think there is that silent majority who can pull it off. You also stop watching the liberal news outlets and make sure their advertisers know why. Money and votes talk.

            • CountryGirl says:

              Solution to the welfare state:
              Step 1: Set a date no more then 60 days from the notice that after that date the maximum any adult can receive for ALL welfare is no more then the minimum wage. That is if the minimum wage is $1500 a month then your Wic, housing cash payment, health care, etc, for any month cannot exceed $1500. AND you must work 40 hours a week to get it.

              Step 2: Fire all the social workers.

            • The thing about trying to get out of a welfare state is the amount of jobs. This is mostly hear-say because I can’t remember my sources, (NPR?) but many businesses seem to have spent their stimulus package on better machinery, which actually cut the available jobs rather than have them hire more workers.

              Even if we could stop using labor from places that have lower standards of living, the trend is still to have machines do work that humans used to do.

              We could convert the welfare system to something along the lines of “A useful and fed member of society serves two decades as a retiree’s personal nursemaid,” but I can’t figure out how to get us back onto a system where everyone actually has a useful task.

            • Hi Wolfpack-
              All very relevant and useful suggestions… and some, (like OP’s suggestions) cost nothing and are up to individual choice. Yes… we can vote with our ballots and by our viewing choices; as for the ballots, I suspect that we’d run out of candidates willing to run for office (not necessarily a bad thing, now that I’ve mentioned it!). Kelekuna and CountryGirl, there are problems with the ‘everybody must be employed 40 hours’; first problem is that it would of necessity be a government-run program… and we know how efficiently those tend to be – and secondly, someone or someones would have to come up with an entirely new way to employ these gub’t-paid minimum wage workers, and there would be (justifiable) concerns that these low-wage people would be taking away jobs that would otherwise employ honest, hard-working non-welfare citizens (potentially pushing them into poverty and then needing welfare)… it’s an endless cycle.
              All of these suggestions have merit and appeal to our common sense (why should anyone get something for nothing?)… but common sense does not seem to work here.

            • Country Girl: what will all the social workers DO when they are fired? Apply for welfare?

              Believe it or not, there are people who get Fed help, AND work, AND get back on their feet, AND get off the dole. AND there are some social workers who CARE and really help people get a life.

              Having had to be on assistance at one time, I am speaking from experience. I am immensely grateful that it was available to me and my son when I needed it. It made the difference at the time between us having a roof over our head or being on the street. Stuff happens. It can happen….to anyone…anytime.

              We need to all be careful…unless we like the taste of shoe leather; disaster can happen to ANYone, ANY time, and leave them needing help. Looking down on or making blanket statements about welfare recipients is self-righteous and arrogant. (This last statement is aimed at all who have done this. You know who you are…..)

              All that being said, I will add: I agree that it’s gotten way overdone, and that there ARE at least 2 generations that have grown up “on the dole”, and think in those terms about how to live. A re-education and training in work skills would be a way to go. Unfortunately, I also have to agree that with so many jobs gone, it would be a questionable endeavor.

              Also unfortunately, I think the corporate greed that has gutted this country will cause much more serious matters than trying to change the dole system. I believe a system reset is underway.

            • Alikaat,

              I am not sure I would use the word “inevitable” but I think things will get much worse before people wake up. Part of the solution, in my humble opinion, is that we need a sink or swim mentality. Either work or go hungry. We need to stop all this hand holding and start being honest with people.

              Either “we the people” will wake up and stop enabling (stop giving welfare to able-bodied f0lks were are just too lazy to work to too good to do the job offered) or our debt to GDP will grow so out of control that we will not have the financial resources to keep enabling. Either way, the welfare checks are going to stop. And then the major cities in the U.S. will look like Rodney King all over. The only question is whether you want to be a victim or like one of the Korean store owners (with the 12 gauge protecting their stores).

            • Mt. Woman,

              There are people on welfare, able-bodied people, who abuse the system. They have baby after baby, each one with a different father–all so they can continue to collect their welfare check. This is wrong.

            • Hi MT Woman-
              “Believe it or not, there are people who get Fed help, AND work, AND get back on their feet, AND get off the dole. AND there are some social workers who CARE and really help people get a life.”

              I am one. Very long story involving an abusive addict (my first husband) and my need to get myself and our infant son as far away as possible from his spiral of death and destruction. We needed it all – Medicaid, WIC, food stamps, housing… you name it – for almost exactly 6 months. I was horrified and humiliated in the extreme, but at the end of that time, I got a job (with my degree! Not just waitressing, which is what I’d done up till that point), the ex was in jail (and hasn’t seen much daylight since then, thank goodness), and I was in the clear.
              It is part of the reason I prep. Never want to need help, ever again. It is also part of the reason I can’t in good conscience take away that safety net – for me, it was just a brief resting spot, to take a breath and move on. And why I am careful not to ever treat people as if they have no merit… they often just don’t yet know their worth, but it is (usually) there, if you know what questions to ask!

            • CountryGirl says:

              social workers are government employees and we have too many government employees. Firing them might save billions. Most social workers have degrees ad even those who do not have training. They are likely to find work in the private sector and overnight they will become contributers to the economic system and thus will no longer be a costly drag on the system.

              As for a huge government program for all those welfare recipients who must be given 40 hours a week of work ask yourself what you would do if sudden;y the government stop providing for all your needs and forced you to work 40 hours a week for minimum wage. Most will prefer to find their own work. Those who are able bodied will find other ways to support themselves and those who are not capable of finding work will at least have the minimum wage job to keep them going.

            • MtWoman (N Central Texas) says:

              @Gayle: of course there are people on the dole who take advantage, just like in EVERY situation. And of course it’s “wrong”. I’m not arguing against that. But it’s not the whole picture, and I felt the need to point out another view.

            • MtWoman (N Central Texas) says:

              @alikaat: I am glad you had the help when you needed it, and that I did. And that both of us are living self-responsible lives now. That’s what it’s about. :)

          • Hunker-Down says:

            OhioPrepper,

            Bring back the draft modeled after that used by Israel.
            Model it after the Piece Corp and limit it to the USA. Apply it to all between 18 and 22 years old. High school students maintaining passing grades are exempt, persons with failing grades are not exempt. Use random drug testing in the Corps, turning all ‘users’ over to the court system with loss of time of service and pay.

            Make cleaning schools, hospitals and government buildings and grounds the focus. Pay minimum wage to those who are satisfied to stay at that level. Pay extra to those who volunteer to paint bridges or for similar work. Pay the most to those who enroll (and get passing grades) in approved technical schools or any job training program where a potential employer will pay half of the tuition.
            Those in college should be exempt if they maintain passing grades, attend full time and are younger than, say, 22.

            Make them stay in the program for 2 years or go to jail.
            Let them leave the program to volunteer for military service.

            Programs like this are in our history. I was refused every job I applied for after high school because my draft status was 1A. After a year of this treatment I volunteered for the Army. My generation had a sense of responsibility toward our nation. We need to get back to that mindset.

            • Hunker-Down says:

              I wish my spell checker could think, I can’t.

            • Hunker-Down,

              I would add: if a college student flunks a class because of failure to turn in assignments or failure to show up to class, that student must pay back taxpayers at out-of-state rates.

              Such a policy would light a fire under students’ rear ends. And by cutting slackers off the dole, there would be more funding for students who are walking the walk.

            • Hunker-Down,
              I was in college (the first time) from 1969-1973 toward the end of the Vietnam war, and had a student deferment (1-S). The problem with that system was obvious at the time, but was not clear to me until years later. Anyone in college could get the deferment, and although I was not there to dodge the draft (I’d taken tons of math and science to get into engineering), there were unfortunately too many who were. Guys that barely made it through high school with plans to work at the local factory (not by itself a bad plan) who were 1-A and drew a low lottery number, had few choices. Move to Canada, join the military, or enroll in college; however, what does someone who barely graduated HS take in college, you ask? The majors that require little preparation or real intellectual work. I know I’m probably stepping on some toes here, but I think I am being factual when I say those curriculum areas are: Education, Journalism, Humanities, and general liberal arts. These folks now run our schools (from K-12 and into college) and run our major news organizations. This problem has even been written about in Roger Kimball’s book, “Tenured Radicals”.
              My whole point here is that although I agree with HD, the plan must be well thought out and require people to make choices in job and career training that will give them a real chance of a real job and not some additional make work government program.

          • Where to begin.
            For those of you who have been “on the dole”, I personally don’t have an issue with it, primarily because you still possess at least three human attributes that seem to be lost on so many in that condition. Shame, Pride, and Ambition; all of which allowed you to use the system to bootstrap your lives and move onto something better. You didn’t allow the safety net to trap you, or make you too comfortable. As Ben Franklin said, we need to make those in poverty uncomfortable. Enough medical to keep you healthy, enough food to keep you from starving, and enough incentives to get you to take responsibility for your own actions. We have some friends who were in that situation years ago, and the assistance helped to stabilize the family until they were back on their feet; but, imagine the surprise when they tried to cancel their program and were told by the social worker how to game the system and continue to collect benefits.

            Keep in mind also, that the War on Poverty only started in the 1960’s and we had very few people starve prior to that. Local churches and charities who knew their neighbors, helped take care of these folks with physical assistance like clothing and food, and the USDA had a low income food program that gave actual food (not a credit card) to these folks. Growing up, I knew folks on this program who received cheese, peanut butter, butter, rice, and other goods, with which they fed their families. The LDS Storehouse I visit has three sections, the Storehouse, where you can simply walk in and purchase prepackaged bulk goods; the cannery, which by appointment allows you to purchase bulk goods which you can there; and the welfare section which resembles a small grocery store, complete with a freezer and refrigerator case, and shopping carts. This section is primarily for LDS members, who must discuss their situation with the church Bishop and receive permission to make a visit to the store. These folks are vetted, and are “expected” to give back to the church. Sweeping the floor at the Storehouse, mowing the lawn at the local church, or many other chores to make things better overall. I think in most cases the amount of work probably does not equate to the amount of assistance, but it helps instill an attitude that there is no free lunch, and one must be willing to give back in whatever way possible.

            As for corporate greed, you really need to look at the overall picture. When union demands and government tax burdens make it unprofitable for a company to operate, it either finds ways to shed costs, or goes out of business. When a company like Exxon posts an $8B profit, everyone screams, not realizing that their return on investment (profit received base on amout spent to earn it) is less than 10% and well below the ROI of companies like Apple. The federal government also receive significantly more than the $8B in taxes, with little or no involvement other than to demagogue the issue for votes.

            So there are a few things we can do:
            • After a vetting process, we give social workers a bonus, for every recipient who they get trained, employed, and off the dole. Currently, they are rewarded for larger numbers, since more pay comes with more responsibility.
            • If you have additional children while on the dole, you receive no extra cash.
            • If you are involved in fraud and are caught, you are banned from the program, period.
            • Require those on welfare to provide community service for a minimum time per week (perhaps 20 hours) so that they learn some work ethic. One of these jobs could be providing childcare, for those with children performing their service. No using children as an excuse.

            • Hi OP-
              So when are you planning on running for office?
              I truly wish some of the creative ideas posted by the people on this site were available to some of our elected officials. Your above suggestions are thoughtful, productive, and address some of the most critical core issues. And though some of the punitive measures might seem rather harsh, I don’t see much here that wouldn’t appeal to a cross party platform. We definitely need people in positions of power who are capable of managing the really hard issues. And ones with thick enough skin and a strong enough sense of him/her self to handle the pressures of political power. So many good people seem to have the good sucked right out of them when they get into that office. I suspect you might just be to stubborn for anything to change you much… and that is what it takes to get something real done, within the system.
              So I repeat the question: When can we hope to see your candidacy announcement? You have my vote!
              Cat

        • I’m beginning to think about the inevitability too. I was reading some articles about how we’re stressing the soil in areas until it cannot support any sort of plant life. And we cannot stop these practices without causing a famine that would be almost as bad as if we do nothing.

          We would have to cut the population to switch to sustainable models, but I couldn’t think of any way to do it that wasn’t heavy-handed and dictatorial. Sparking off a war hadn’t occurred to me, though.

          /endrant

          • Kelekona,
            By cutting the population I assume you mean worldwide. If we (the USA) stopped exporting grain, much if the 2nd and 3rd world would indeed have famine, but at that point we could still feed our population times perhaps 5 or 10.

            • Ah yes, I was talking about starting in the areas closest to the unsustainable farming practices. I’m not sure how USA would do in terms of quasi-organic techniques for soil protection; we have some fallow farmland that hasn’t been swallowed by suburbia, but I don’t have numbers or the desire to crunch them.

              (Quasi-organic is a term I made up for land that has been used traditionally, has switched to organic, but hasn’t been organic long enough for certification.)

            • We should start trading grain for oil, one bushel for one barrel. Call it free trade.

          • Kelekona,

            I read years ago that North Africa was once the breadbasket of the Roman Empire. They over farmed the land to the extent that it has lost all fertility.

        • http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/front

          Let’s stir the pot. My vote is going here. The other 2 worthless parties can suck it. Never again will either get my vote. Gary is a patriot, fled the Republican party in disgust.

  14. Good article,
    I agree with putting this list on your front door. The entitement gimme generation will be too lazy to go gather all the items and carry them back.
    The ones that do, take them in if they have skills, the willingness to work, and pull their weight. A healthy dose of road life on their journey home and back to your place should be enough to keep them complacent for awhile. If they make it back.

  15. Ohio Surveyor says:

    Bitsy,
    awesome article. This is just the list I was looking for. My daughter and her family have a bug out location (my house). I told her she was welcome to come with the husband and kids just please bring “things” with you. Im sure during the chaos of shtf they would have forgotten over half of those items on the list. Now you have a list I can give her so nothing is forgotten. I’m also going to give this list to my best friend who is also comming post shtf.

    • Ohio Surveyor says:

      I forgot to add that this should also be on the list.
      • Personal papers: birth certificates, driver’s license, shot records, passports, bank account information; check books, Insurance papers, and stocks, bonds, Money, medical history and prescription drug information.

  16. Hunker-Down says:

    Bitsy,

    Great article. It ruined my day. Now I have to think through all the problems my son will have in getting “the list” to our house.
    He lives 1.5 hours (at highway speeds) away. His tires are bad.

    If he brings all the family, that’s 5 people in one car. It’s impossible to bring everything on the list, a car is just not large enough. Maybe his wife will want to go to her parents house. They live in the same town. Maybe she will want to bring them to us. Two more, both with non-trivial health issues. So it could vary from 3 people and 1 car, to 7 people and 3 cars.

    I don’t think any of these people have the mind set to get out of town before the mobs discover that there is no effective police force.

    I would advise him that he has only a few hours before the gas stations run out of fuel, and if the ‘event’ last longer than a week he has about that amount of time before the thugs realise there is no law enforcement to throttle them.

    So, I would ask that my son fill his car using the following priority list.

    First, people, followed by guns, ammo, medicine and personal hygiene for each individual, clothes, blankets and pillows, food, every type of fuel, tools, camping equipment, flashlights batteries and candles, large pots and pans, booze, followed by paper products and sewing supplies and material. Go down the list as far as possible, when the car is full, get out of town, NOW.

    If 3 cars are coming he has a chance of loading everything in one trip, but I doubt that it can be thought through properly in the midst of a crisis. Maybe a second trip could be made given the availability of gas and open roads but I would make the second trip with guns.

    Personally, I would advise against a second trip except if he never made it to his house before arriving at ours. We would not make this trip unarmed.

    I don’t see how a move like this can be more than 30% accurate without at least 3 dry runs, and I KNOW they will never do the first one.

    The best I can do is print this and hope we can talk on the phone so I can give him this list. He wont begin to listen until the grocery store shelves are empty. By that time we will have his attention and he will do a good job with the list.

    If we don’t get to communicate (with his full attention) he just may show up with nothing but an appetite.

  17. Bitsy,

    This is a great post–very original. I have mixed thoughts on giving folks a list of things to bring. That’s like giving folks an invitation. You are invited to the party, but do bring a covered dish. If I don’t want them at my house, I shouldn’t be handing them an invitation.

    I have picked out the people I am willing to help (my immediate family, my parents, my siblings and their families and my dh’s entitlement-minded, “adult” kids). My brother preps. My other bother and sister have very useful skills, and all are trained in the use of firearms. One preps. The others do not. The ones who do not prep may not be able to make it to my brother’s house. If they do make it, they will work to provide for the group. Anyone who is a threat to the group will be eliminated–just like the two strangers on The Walking Dead.

    I will have to give the specific items on your list more thought.

  18. MtWoman (N Central Texas) says:

    Good list Bitsy. It makes me think about what a non-prepper might have that would be useful.

    Personally, if I felt they were thinking of coming, I’d want to get this list to them before they started on their way. And if they were of the ‘free-loader” type, I’d add that they are not welcome if they don’t come with the right attitude and understanding and some ‘things’ to contribute. I feel it could/would be much more difficult to deal with right at your front door….especially if there are other things/people to deal with at the time. I’d make sure they knew they were expected to be part of the solution. Perhaps a contract as someone mentioned, or a list of “house rules” that had to be agreed to, attached to your list. If this wouldn’t work….if folks are known as complete deadbeats, I’d make sure they knew they were not welcome, period.

    Your list is very good; I would add these to it:
    -gasoline, oil, kerosene…any fuels/oils.
    -craft supplies, which a lot of non-prepping households (especially with children) have and which could turn out to be handy in a SHTF scenario.
    -garden hoses…something a “non-prep” house would have and would be very useful.

    This thread has brought up some deep thoughts for me. I live alone with my elder father, with family living a couple hours away. I ended up here suddenly after my step-mother passed away, and my father was alone and suffering from dementia. I had to leave my work & home, and go on early SS to do this. I prep, but on a limited basis, as I lack the money to do more. In a SHTF situation, I may be one of those who will be looking for help….simply because I may not have enough to keep us together. I hope someone out there will be willing to welcome me and my father if we need it. I am a hard worker, a good person, and I have much to offer, and hope someone will give us a chance. I hope there will be a “we” somewhere if I/we need it.

    On the other side of it, I will protect us & ours in a “bugging-in” situation as best I can, but will also keep an open mind, and welcome folks as I can. For me, the bottom line is that we are ALL children of God and human beings. Prepping or not doesn’t make a person good or bad.

    The final thought for me is this: none…NONE…of us know what will happen…how it will look….what state WE will be in. Nature’s weather will not stop in a SHTF scenario; you could be prepped to the max, and a tornado could come through and wipe you out. Disease could spread, and prep or not, we may not be safe from it. The best prepared person could have their home burned or bombed and be out on the road with their family….with NONE of their preps. We can say we WON’T do this or that, but how do we know, really? That’s the power & glory of Life, WE are not in charge! Things can…DO…happen fast. And let’s hope that if we need it, we will find sanctuary and safety somewhere, and will offer it when we can. My door is locked, until I know who you are, but if you’re ok, it will be opened.

    I apologize for the rant, but I have been seeing a LOT of strong prejudice against “non-preppers” …and even against certain KINDS of preppers… across the prepping blogs, forums and boards lately. It rankles me. We’ve got to remember we are all part of the human tribe, and loved equally by God. If we lose our compassion, are we worthy ourselves of God’s love?

    And Bitsy…none of this is directed to you or your post (which is excellent)…it’s just come out of me I guess because I see that I am not “prepped” in a way that I wouldn’t need to turn to someone for help at some point, and I’m beginning to feel that I would be judged because of that as incompetent or “less-than”, and turned away to die.

    Prep on people, and keep Love in your heart.

    • mt woman NCT – excellent post…so right about things changing so fast…all preps can be lost due to natural disasters etc..one minute we think we have enough food/guns/medicines etc..and the next…nothing…we are on the road looking for a refuge…

      And that is why I do what I can, and leave the rest to God.

      Mt woman…sending you prays for peace and courage…

    • Judy, another one says:

      Thank-you for stating the obvious! I have stepped away from this forum and others for the very reasons you have stated. You never know when YOU will be the one in need for reasons out of your control. The vitriol and smugness of some, is what, the PTB use to portray us as nut-jobs or Rambo-wannabes. When we are really following our temperate-climate, farmer genetic make-up.

      Bitsy Pieces, thank-you for your list. I will be printing it off for some folks I see coming my way when it gets truly ugly.

  19. Great idea! I would also ask them to bring towels of all sizes, buckets, foil, if they have babies, then baby stuff (diapers, bottles, etc)

  20. cosmolined says:

    I also think it was a great list. Reading some of the other comments, however, got me thinking. I STRONGLY agree with the one about strong doors and locks on your supplies. I also think maybe a list pre-event that would nudge your possible boarders on what they might like
    to have at their homes just in case there was 4 ft. of snow, or a major
    flood that took out the bridges…. normal every day disasters. Cos

  21. MENTALMATT says:

    Hello all, it’s been a little while and the crime here in the “D” has been crazy, I’ve even assisted a little with the Grosse Point Park murder case that has been all over the news. Anyhow I love the article and it makes a lot of good sence. I would like to say how sad I am that Lint Picker signed off im really kind of bummed out. It’s been a hell of a year for me it looks like they are gonna cut my pay to pieces, wont be much left. Oh and I just have to say Momma J, I ve really been loving your posts, please keep up the work. Good luck and God Bless, oh and by the way M.D. glad you made it through the flu, it’s kind of the reason why I get the flu shot. Oh and seriously oregano tablets are supposed to the the best for the immune system, at least thats what the guy at the health food store said.

    • M.D.,

      Didn’t you say that you got the flu shot but still got the flu?

      • No. Girlfriend got the shot and still got the flu.

        • Harold Dean says:

          MD, happens to me every year. If I am dumb enough to get a shot (over ten years since I have been that stupid), I get a violent case of the flu. If my wife gets her flu shot, within three days I get a mild case of the flu. Our doctor thought it was bullshit until I proved it this year. Says it should not happen because the vaccine is made from killed virus. I told her that I don’t care what your experts say it happens. She is in agreement now that it does indeed happen. Harold

      • Gayle,
        I’ve gotten the shot every year for more than a decade and so far so good. Head colds, sinus infections, and the occasional bronchitis OTOH, are a different story, so YMMV.

        • JeffintheWest says:

          I took the flu shot every year in the military (mandatory fun), and it always worked — I got the flu every dang year. After I retired, I stopped taking the flu shot — not a sniffle since.

    • mental matt…good to hear from you again…that has got to be the toughest job…stay safe…

  22. This is a great list for those of us new to prepping as well and I’m going to take a quick inventory around my house and in my shed to see what I have that I have that I never thought of as “survival gear”.

    Since I’m so new to prepping I don’t have a lot of inventory yet, but I’m working on it a little bit with every paycheck. Since I live in an urban area my plan (for now) is to bug out with my wife and son to my in-laws who live about 160 miles to the south. They’re not preppers and lifelong Democrats to boot, but they do live in a rural area and have some land and cattle and a small garden. My father-in-law also has a wood burning stove for heat and a well with a hand pump. He’s also a hunter so he has some fire arms, but not much an ammo stash. They would take us in regardless, but I plan to show up food supplies, water purification equipment, medical supplies and a few guns with PLENTY of ammo to spare. I also have a work ethic, so I’ve got that going for me too.

    Items from this list will also be added to what I’ll bring.

    • BK,

      Welcome to the Wolf Pack. If you are looking to up your food supplies, check out the LDS online store. They only sell the basics (wheat, rice, pinto beans) but getting the basics as cheaply as possible is a good way to start.

      • Thanks Gayle. Food and water are my top priorities right now so any advice here is greatly appreciated.

      • BK in KC,
        Assuming that KC is Kansas City, MO; then you can take Gayles suggestion to a better place. You have an LDS Storehouse (and possibly cannery) in your city. Cash & carry and alot more variety.

    • welcome BK…no time like the present to get the items on the list to your in-laws…and get that ammo…chainsaw and fuel etc…and lots of spares of everything.

      battery radios would be required..got to stay in touch with the outside world…

      just imagine how long it takes to get the car loaded for a weekend outing…so, work your way through the list and get it set up and packed ready at your in-laws…now.

      So, if you end up walking…you are not trying to cart vital items with you…cheers.

      Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. Go through your robes/drawers/garage…you will see lots of things that you can start packing up now.

      The time for action is now. cheers.

  23. If someone had all that they wouldn’t need to come to your house!

    There are a couple people who know about my preps, but mostly they have their own preps. I don’t say squat to the neighbors. The people on my street are those “one week of groceries” types, and those type of people go on for blocks. This is a town where 30% of the school kids are on public assistance, and their parents sell their food stamps for cash to buy drugs so the kids still need to be sent home with food by the school for the weekend, because they’re only eating because they’re in school. When those parents can’t get drugs it’ll get uglier than it already is.

    This spring, if things hold together long enough, I will be looking for places to cache stuff. Because to have it all in one place would be dumb under these circumstances.

  24. Don’t forget to have them bring all the motor oils, gas, carb cleaner, lubricants, greases, tools, for vehicular work. You may even consider telling them to bring along any building supplies they have laying around, since they’re going to need a place to sleep, they’d may as well build it. Boards, insulation, etc. Then there’s going to be the extra food you’ll have to store, so they can bring their own fridge and freezer. (IF there’s electricity to run it and they’re chipping in for the bills as well as hiding out.)
    Perhaps there’s a way they can get their propane or fuel oil tank over as well? (If they have them, otherwise, bring their neighbors! ;) )

  25. CountryGirl says:

    Bicycles, extra vehicles, spare tires, trailers (cargo, flatbed, camping), building materials especially 2X (two by boards as in 2X4′s 2X6′s) plywood, Portland cement, landscaping timbers. cement blocks, bricks.

  26. Bitsy,
    Thanks for this post. I’ve been thinking a lot about this after E Evans post and your post gave me ideas I hadn’t considered before. As I said on that post, I don’t have relatives so having some lists and rules written before something happens will be easier for me than most. After a lifetime of sharing my surplus, the thought of turning away (or killing) folks that are truly in need is something I still have a hard time imagining.

  27. You might want to mail or hand deliver the list pre-SHTF, but only to those folks who you expect could show up (relatives and friends, especially those who know you prep), but make sure the “Working Hard” item is at the top of the list in BOLD.

    Under Camping equipment you state, “Consider that we are basically “roughing it” right now, so bring anything you have to make the experience more pleasant”. This should read, “. . . make “YOUR” experience more pleasant”, since I will not be giving up my bed, blankets, or clothing.

    And you might also add:
    • Card table & Chairs
    • Popup camp chairs
    • Air mattresses, air beds, &/or cots.

  28. I’m wondering if there is a better approach than to have someone bug out with what they need or demand that they go back for it.

    If you have room for people to come into your fold, you probably have enough room to store preps for them. See what you can do to get them to be the slightest bit pro-active about it, even if it’s to call you whenever they are getting rid of old cookware, bedding, and clothing.

    I’m not sure what my mother (bug-out location) has right now beyond being decently set up for a two-week icestorm, but she would probably yell at me if I sent her a 12-pack of Bear Creek and 25 pounds of grain. I bet I could get an Aunt to store about 6 cubic feet of MRE if I convince her of the Mayan prophecy and predicted sunspots, she was wondering what she was going to do with her spam once y2k passed without a hitch.

  29. Bitsy…good list and excellent article…and they will probably need a truck to bring the prep items to your house.

    Is there room for all the respective family’s/friend’s stuff to be stored in your place.

    need communications – radios and batteries at the very least…plus scanners – to listen in and pay attention to things as they unfold…can give you prior warning to any danger close by…

    got any walkie-talkies for staying in touch with members when they are out of the house, foraging/hunting for food.

    any of these friends/family have medical training…have you got room for a sick room to be set up – as it will only be a matter of time.

    And do these friends know how to look after a person if they come down with the flu…it will spread to everyone in the house…and then who has the keys to the larder when you go down with the flu for 2 weeks.

    supposing mobile phones still work…who are your guests talking to, and possibly giving away your location and the preps that are available.

    any other security measures you can set up – large and small yappy dogs.

    also, hide the majority of your supplies…as in bury them some way off…and only one person goes to re-supply the house – without anyone knowing how/when house is re-supplied…or your larder is going to be raided during the weeks that follow.

    also, know that when there are more people in a house than usual…tempers are going to flare…even in normal times – and with others using your facilities – and often abusing your hospitality…how are you going to resolve disputes between the adults and their children…any of your guests have mediation skills.

    Your toilet facilities may break down…who is going to dig the latrine/s out the back…this was a very real situation (see Christchurch’s earthquake – gov’t suggested back-yard latrines…sewer pipes were busted).

    Who decides what is for breakfast/lunch/dinner…and what happens when someone spits the dummy because they don’t like the food being served. Do you give in – just once…and yet, this may set up a precedent for the future.

    Unless a strict division of labour is set up…going to be even tougher.

    Does anyone know how to draw up a schedule of chores – if power is out..going to be physically hard on people not used to doing clothes washing by hand…

    let alone chopping wood later on without the benefit of a chainsaw and fuel…and like Evans pointed out…if I recall correctly…if the only chainsaw sound is coming from your location…going to be getting lots of visitors…all wanting to mooch the c/saw…and who is going to meet these moochies at the door…what do you say when you hear the desperation in their voices.

    Any of these friends/family have an infectious disease that may be in-active at time of arriving at your house – yet they are carriers..e.g., hepatitis B – do you have a list for them to fill out…noting any/all of their medical history. May need to set up different toilets for some to use. Who is going to monitor everyone uses the toilet/s assigned for them.

    Your list is a good start…it is what happens after they arrive that takes a little longer to sort out.

    My suggestion is that they stay in their own homes…and that they, with your help – get an increase in their stores etc. It just may be your home that becomes unsafe to live in due to a natural disaster or whatever.

    May be an idea for you to store some of your supplies at their homes – just in case, and that way, if they can’t get to your place – you have left them a store of preps to get them through things.

    Have a practice run now…arrange a time to go over and help them also get a BOB ready. You may need to acknowledge that if they cannot even take this one step – then you are going to be in a huge world of hurt when they are at your house – with SHTF everywhere, and they will really have no way to get back to their homes…too late then to realize even though your intentions were honourable…may have miscalculated…

    Have you been camping with these friends/people – do they pitch in – are they fun to be around – as humour can often tone down some situations.

    Could you do this on a full-time basis – and possibly for months on end.

    If you know you can do this – and have decided to go ahead…then good on you…there are going to be many people who will need help.

    So strengthen yourself for the ordeal of a SHTF world – and if your friends/family rise to the challenge, you will have a support base during these times.

    cheers.

    • Harold Dean says:

      Yes I have tried to camp with the ones who probably will show up. I got so tired of the blasting rock music, the night time life style, the constant complaints, I’m cold, I’m hot, there’s nothing to do while watching me buck saw the firewood, this is boring, there’s no TV, do you really expect me to sleep on the ground, I have to wash up with just a pan of water inside that tiny little canvas shelter. Supposed to have been a four day trip and by evening it was terminated. Never again. I say to hell with them, if they don’t want to prep and acclimate themselves to the inevitable, well it is their life, just don’t intrude again on mine. Harold

  30. Hi Bitsy

    Very good write up, I have a very limited number of local folks that would consider coming, planning on one couple and most like a second would bug in and then if needed come to the farm.

    One couple has already talked to us about a) moving things out slowly ahead of time as things show signs of coming to a head b) Its my understanding that they have a set amount of things in totes for ease of loading if it was a get out now.

    The second couple, they have the gear on your list and more, but they have a very small car, and would have little to no way to get more then the most basic gear here if they had to get out now..

    Still very interesting, I guess it is a better idea to point then mine, which is to figure out a basic on how many peaple, and then try and have that many extra’s plus backups on site for when they arrive..

  31. depends on how long the disaster would last and what form it will take
    but even those who have nothing in hand they still have their backs and Bodies as trade goods.

  32. Car battery of any vehicle they are not bringing

  33. Phil in L.A. says:

    Great post,

    It has been a while since i have commented on a post on here, but this one gave me reason too. I try and keep my prepping secret, I live in a city where most of the population is unprepared, we learned this after the Northridge earth quake. My friends know that I shoot, but only a small hand full know that I prep. People always say that if anything happens they are coming to my house. I am assuming the mean for my protection because they don’t know I have any preps.

    I always tell them not they aren’t, they get up set and I ask them what to you bring to the table that will benefit me?guns, ammo food supplies anything? the answer is always nothing. but then again, could i really turn away, family, friends, neighbors? I don’t know

    Anyone with half a brain could figure i was up to something, I have rain barrels on my gutters, multi graf fruit trees in my backyard and I have been experimenting with vertical and roof top gradening. I just tell people I am going green and they think nothing of it this is L.A.

    I will document my sucesses and failures with the vertical gardening as things progress, I am building 320 sq ft of garden in an area that only takes up 40 linear feet of my fence and has a two foot easement for a total of only 80 sq ft of un used space.

    But if my house is destroyed in an earth quake I will be a refuge as well or amp in place and try and salvage what remains of my preps.

    • JeffintheWest says:

      I’m always amazed by the moxie of people who decide to invite themselves over to your place so you can “take care of them.” I’m always left thinking; “Maybe you should wait to be asked!”

  34. Bitsy,

    Great piece! I shall make copies of your list and forward/deliver one to each of the possible “commers” and inform them that 1) Come empty handed and I WILL send you back, 2) When accepted in, you will be added to the duty roster and you WILL earn your keep.

    As some of you may know, I’m not a spring chicken any more and not in the best of health (but I’m not unserviceable yet), I have assigned my 38 year-old to control the stores (security and rationing of supplies) because I know he can and will handle it.

    I was raised by an older generation and taught the old Texas values and I’ve passed those values on to him. Things like: “Your ride for the brand”, “A man is only as good as his word”, “Without honor, he isn’t even a man”, and “No one leaves my fire hungry”. That last one could become a problem

  35. Great list! It is very comprehensive and user friendly. I would only add two small things. People might want to bring pet food/supplies if they are bringing Fido to your place. I would also suggest baby/child basic care items such as diapers, ointment, bottles, sippy cups, portable cribs, etc. They might not have much but anything will help. Thanks for sharing.

  36. Been thinking about making some signs to put up when the need arises, Quarantined; (add disease here). Worth a try.

    • Pineslayer,

      Now that is a good idea. Who is going to knock on a home to come in if the home is infected with TB.

  37. riverrider says:

    my new and improved refugee list.
    1) one handgun of your choice
    2) one bullet for handgun of choice above
    3) insert 2 into 1
    4) point 1 at head
    5) pull trigger on 1 until 2 goes “BANG!”

    just funning……kinda.

  38. Harold Dean says:

    During the years I lived in the LA area you were able to go up in the mountains and check in with the Ranger and then camp for the weekend as long as you met the fire safety requirements (They really did inspect your setup back then). Some friends wanted to go with us one weekend and when I brought out four of the footlockers I had stuff in and put them in the bed of the little truck, a little four wheel drive minitruck and we took off with them following us in their two wheel drive minitruck with just some blankets and pillows. When we got to where I was going to stay(after having to pull them through a couple of places they could not negotiate), their shocked expressions and the comment (where’s the cabin we are going to be staying in) told me what the weekend was going to be like. After opening my lockers and setting up the camp the ranger appeared and approved of our setup. I had an extra tent for them with air mattresses so they were allright. They survived the weekend and after that were avid weekend rough campers whether we went or not. I sure wish the people I know that want to take advantage of my skills, knowledge and preps were like that now instead of the gimme, gimme mentality. Harold