Questions and Answers with The Wolf Pack – Concealed carry?

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Question from : WL

Perhaps this has already been discussed and I missed it, but with the way laws have been all over the place, and with the attitude those in power seem to have toward firearms, and the uproar in some states about the idea that someone sitting next to you in a movie theater GASP! might.have.a.gun!, this question has been on my mind a lot lately:

What’s the attitude of legal gun owners who have their conceal carry toward carrying in places they’re not supposed to (ie., library, school, college campus, post office, church)?

I know people who claim they carry “all the time, no matter where” they are; they’re not unstable people, they’re well trained, and they’re otherwise law-abiding people. But they do break the law if they carry everywhere.

I’d love to know other people’s thoughts on this…

Comments

  1. Personally, I would carry every where I go, however, you are taking a chance. Some states will bar you from future carrying or owning a firearm for a weapons violation. It all depends on the state. Here are a couple web sites to check out.

    http://www.legallyarmed.com/

    http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/

  2. If the law says I shouldn’t be armed in a particular spot like a post office or school zone, I follow the law. If the Arizona Board of Medicine got wind of a firearms violation, I could lose my license and livelihood.

    On the other hand, if an establishment such as Chipotle’s or Starbucks simply prefers that I not enter with my concealed firearm, well that’s a different matter.

    That being said, I prefer to support businesses that don’t interfere with my ability to defend myself and others.

    • rjarena says:

      I feel the same way, I do not want a hassle that can be avoided, so when I go to the post office, for example, I leave my weapon in the truck, but if I am going into a business, that is different, if they discover I am carrying, all they can do in this state is ask me to leave, then they loose my business. as the old express goes, rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

  3. Der Denker says:

    If you’ve done your due diligence, you carry concealed properly and nobody will know that you are carrying. The biggest problem I’ve witnessed is a telegraphing to a casual observer that you’re armed. I was guilty of this when I reached to the top shelf in the store and my vest rode up to expose the barrel of my Glock. A plainclothes officer held a question and answer session with me over that. Since then I carry only IWB. I only bother with leaving my weapon in the car when there is a metal detector in the building.

  4. riverrider says:

    other than the courthouse i carry everywhere. the imposter in chief doesn’t follow the laws of this land, so neither will i. it’s called “without rule of law”. when/if rule of law is re-established i will act with in it if morally possible. as snowden said, “sometimes what’s right isn’t whats legal.”

  5. I don’t go where guns aren’t permitted. If I am walking up to a business and see that red circle with the line across a gun ,i tund and go else where. Then make a note of what I spent at the next place. I then call the first place and tell them the amount of the sale they lost. Don’t be mean about it but let them know why they lost your business. I also stress that while I want be doing business with them that fell they have the right to make that call to not allow guns if they wish.
    I see the inside of a post office once every 2 to 3 months. I don’t carry there. The church doesn’t care. No issue there.the local Courthouse only cares on court days and then only in the court room.

    • joe america says:

      I agree with you Fixit. I believe “protest” or “boycott” is where folks including myself fall short. We are losing our rights one after another, day after day, because most of us are living our own everyday lives and not imposing our wants and beliefs onto others. At the same time minority groups are doing the complete opposite and standing together in protest to impose what they think right should be. Guess what? They are winning. We blame our problems on crooked politicians, Obama, minorities, ect, but its no ones fault but our on. Its so easy to get tied up in all the million things going on in daily lives that there is no time, or at least no time allotted for standing united. Folks like us make up the majority. We have the power, we only have to claim what is ours. We must lead by example! It is our duty to our family and country.
      As for public carry, In my state if one enters an establishment such as a hospital with a no firearms sign and a firearm is spotted, they can only ask you to leave. That is their prerogative just as it is mine to not do business with them. Law enforcement does have the authority to charge permit holder if they do not comply and leave. I never carry in schools, state, or federal buildings.

  6. Owl Creek Observer says:

    I don’t carry everywhere I go or even every day. If the business has a no-guns sign at the entrance, I don’t enter while carrying. As a matter of principle, I don’t enter those businesses when I’m not carrying either.

  7. Retired says:

    Concealed Carry means just that …Nothing more
    nothing less …. No one knows except me !!!!
    If there are scanners then no carry….

  8. JP in MT says:

    In MY Opinion….

    If you are going to carry, you should do it as much as possible so it becomes “what you do”. Like carrying a wallet and checkbook. Or a cell phone.

    For 9+ months of the year it is easy for me to carry concealed due to the weather. Jacket, vest, bulky sweatshirts are the norm. What to carry is an issue. I’m short and getting rounder so what I carry where is becoming an issue. It will also vary as to what the setting is. Am I stopping by on my way to the woods or am I dressing for church (yes, I carry at church. Several do. We know each other and have a basic plan of action if anything goes wrong.)

    Up here places that serve alcohol are a problem, but since I don’t frequent them, it’s not a personal issue. And since the Federal Government shows such concern about my rights, I reciprocate in the way I follow their rules.

    What I have found up here in Montana, is that open or concealed carry is not an issue except in 3 major towns where you might run into an issue with open carry. Not a legal issue, but a social one. If your weapon is properly concealed, you are not nervous about your carry (it shows to others who know how to look) you should have no problem.

    Remember that carrying a weapon, open or concealed, increases your responsibility to keep yourself and your emotions under control. You may feel like “giving him an ear full”, but your better off not doing it. You have taken on a responsibility not only to defend yourself, but IMO one to defend others in need. You step into the ranks of a Shepard, watching out for the Wolves, even if the Sheep don’t generally appreciate it.

    There are places in Montana where a shovel in the gun rack says volumes.

  9. Chuck Findlay says:

    when it’s too warm to conceal a large or even a medium frame handgun I throw a pocket pistol (Colt or Beretta 25-auto) in my pants pocket. No one even knows it’s there.

    As far as government buildings, I haven’t been in one for years. And I seldom go to the post office (go inside) more then once or twice a year.

    I know a small pocket pistol is not the best defense gun, but it’s better then the 9-mm that is at home in the safe.

    • Interesting says:

      When someone says they pocket carry, I always want to know if the arm on the side of pocket is rendered unuseable, how do you use the opposite hand to get the gun out of the pocket?

      • Chuck Findlay says:

        I’m right handed so it goes in my right pocket. As far as if my right hand were unusable, I don’t know that it’s much of a concern as I tend to not worry about things I can’t change or do anything about. I would simply fumble through getting it out with my other hand. Just as you would do with anything you do with one hand that you normally use and it were unusable.

        But like I said, it’s unlikely that at the moment I needed to shot someone (in 50+years never had to shoot anyone) my right hand would suddenly not be available to do the job.

        How would you handle it if your holster was on the wrong side if your primary arm decided to not work?

        You can play “What If” all day long but at some point you just have to deal with what is likely and let things go as you can not possibly figure in every variable. Plan as reasonable as you can, but don’t get bogged down with excessive worry over things.

        • Interesting says:

          I have been trained to always be able to get to a gun with either hand. So when I carry my two weapons I can go with either hand.
          It may not be as smooth as my dominant hand, and it takes practice , but still possible if the scenario dictated it. I found that if I was seated in my vehicle I could not get to a pocket gun easily utilizing a front pocket. I appreciate your thoughts!

  10. Tactical G-Ma says:

    I don’t carry on the military installations, gov buildings, or schools. But who is a more vulnerable mark than a senior citizen? So everywhere else I carry concealed or open. It’s like an old lady security blanket! In the woods I carry 2 or 3 and 2 or 3 blades. I’m no ninja but I do practice and know how to use the tools in my kit. If traveling alone, it’s on the seat beside me with one chambered.

  11. Chuck Findlay says:

    Yea I forgot all the knifes I have on me (3 at all times) one for rough cutting of wire, drywall and abusive things like that, A Swiss-Champ Swiss Army Knife on my belt,and a Buck fixed blade one I keep in my front pocket.

    I never go into government buildings, but a few months ago I was asked to give an estimate for oak shelves in a judges chamber in a near by small town and I never gave it a thought that I had all the knifes on me, a 9-mm, a tomahawk in the van. No one ever said to leave them behind. I went in measured and stopped by a few days later to drop off an estimate, both times I had concealed knifes on me.

    I would bet I violated a few laws by having them on me on government property and even more so inside the building.

    So far I have not got the call to do the job :(

    • Tactical G-Ma says:

      Chuck,
      DH and I chuckled when the other day we realized I carry 5 knives in my purse. It’s an illness! But I really do use them!

  12. Mary Beierle says:

    I carry all the time, concealed in my purse. I actually don’t think about it at all. I don’t go into businesses that have a no firearms sign or have metal detectors. I was in a traffic accident recently and the Sheriff Deputy asked me if I had a concealed carry license (I assumed that it was on their computer) and I answered in the affirmative and he asked to see it. When he handed it back to me he said “I’m very proud of you”. I was surprised, but it is East Tennessee. :)

    • JP in MT says:

      In Montana, carrying in you purse, is not considered “concealed carry” because it is not “on your person”. Check you state’s rules on whether that applies to you or not.

  13. I try and not go to places that don’t allow carry as much as possible. If I do have to go to that place then I consider it a necessary risk and try to make my visit as brief as possible. Also I try and do it at places where there is a low likelihood of homicide. (less populated)

    At work it’s against company policy to have firearms at work, I had considered saying screw it and carrying anyway but there are only about 5 people in my office that I know pretty well in a very low crime low population area… So I haven’t cared.

    I know there are some that say you should “always be prepared” no matter how low the risk seems. But I feel safe rolling the dice a bit. It’s not like I’m one of the completely unarmed all the time, so I figure my odds of survival are still higher then most if 75% of the time I am carrying.

    Also I have other items I can carry that are allowed in some of those places, like bear spray and keys/pens, pocket knives, scalding hot water, and a plethora of other objects in my surrounding that could be used as a weapon if I needed it.

    Do I think it’s ludicrous that we have such laws? Yes. It’s not like if someone want’s to commit a crime they won’t find a tool to do it with other then a firearm. I was out hiking and saw a fellow hiker open carrying the other day. And I was not afraid, but I also understand how some people could be.

    It’s a feel good thing for the ignorant masses, and I just sorta try and let it jumble with the plethora of other stupid things I see future darwin award winners doing.

    • joe america says:

      I’ve never understood the need to open-carry. I’d like to hear any opinions to why that would be a preferred method. Personally I don’t want to freak anyone out or make them uncomfortable, and the last thing I want if there is a run-in with a bad guy is for him to know I’m armed. In my thinking it gives the bad guy an advantage. If I put a target on my back, I am being irresponsible in mine and my family’s safety.

      • True, unless you are hunting and it’s a rifle. I can kinda see where maybe they didn’t want to go through the hassle of getting a concealed carry permit. In my state it’s a bit more of a run to get the permit, and they are attempting to add even more roadblocks to getting a permit. Also the fact that you have a permit means you are on record as having a firearm, which would make for a great confiscation list in a fascist regime.

        Frankly you shouldn’t need a permit, everyone should be able to carry concealed. I don’t understand the logic where you are required to have a special permit to protect yourself. Sure everyone needs the education involved, so include it in elementary school. I think the laws on personal protection should be something everyone should know, not just those carrying a firearm. Most of what I learned pertained to use of force that was too excessive, which includes blunt object and knives yet you don’t need a special permit to carry a knife or a baton concealed.

        And maybe if they offered a gun safety course or two in elementary school there would be less people afraid of a tool that is glorified by Hollywood and demonized by the media. (sure would have been more fun then wood shop)

      • joe america,
        +10 & Amen

  14. ” Better to be judged by 12 , than carried by 6 ” ………..or move to Arizona , you dont need a CC permit . Constitutional carry , castle doctrine , and stand your ground .

  15. ThaddeusPSondgrass says:

    I try to always follow the law and legally carry concealed in all places where it is allowed. I choose to NOT patronize any establishment that has posted that they do not want legal concealed carry in or on their premises. Where I live, most people respect the businesses self-imposed estrangement from a LARGE segment of the population and their sales show it. Many have turned their “ideas” around. BY the same token, I find it asinine to “open carry” rifles, shotguns or carbines inside of non -firearms related businesses, just to prove a point. Just because it’s legal, doesn’t mean it’s a “good idea”. Those doing that, in my opinion, always wind up looking far less morally correct than the pansies in the establishments. I talk with my wallet, you don’t want my business, I’ll make sure to speak with everyone I know, all the time, that your business is NOT friendly, nor is tolerant, and is bigoted towards a specific customer demographic. Today, it’s concealed, tomorrow, it will be “Jews”, Catholics, Christians, LGBT, or some other “questionable” demographic, so, I will “respect” their posted signage vigorously. Just my opinion is all.(and constitutionally protected at that)

  16. A friend of mine told me recently at his place of employment there are rules against having weapons on the property, at least for those that work there. However everyone that works at that location owns a firearm or two. Of those seven people four have permits to carry, and they do so either on them or in their vehicle. His reasoning is that if he survives then they fire him. He also told me that he does try to be respectful of places that don’t or can’t allow firearms but secures the guns in his car. When it comes to other weapons like knives he will hide away a smaller folder and a multitool, both being less likely to attract attention. A’ tactical’ pen or marker is a good choice that nobody notices or questions, as well as small flashlights, or keychain tools. Most women I know have a canister of pepper spray in their purses.
    Another friend is a hair stylist, she recently went on a business trip flying to the left coast. When she arrived she realized that she forgot there was a pair of 12″ shears and a box of razor blades in her purse that she carried on the flight…so much for the TSA.
    I personally have worked with gentlemen that carried firearms without permits, some from out of state, some that were forbidden from even owning guns, one of which was on parole after doing time for shooting two people in a drug deal. I never felt like I was in danger but I kept an eye on them.
    Having all the different laws and rules just creates criminals out of law abiding citizens and they do nothing to keep guns out of the hands of ‘bad guys’.
    I feel safer knowing the people around me are armed and responsible.

  17. Interesting says:

    It’s called concealed carry. If you are doing your job correctly, then you shouldn’t encounter a problem. You have to dress around the firearm.

  18. My concern with carrying all the time is accidents, either to you or your vehicle.

    For example, in my state possessing firearms on any school property is a felony. If I’m dropping kids off at school it should be fine to carry in a locked trunk or glove box because they can’t be searched. But with a fender bender accident if the trunk pops open, security or responding cops will see the Glock box or gun bag in plain sight so no probable cause needed for search.

    The chances of this are very low but the consequences are huge due to vigorous prosecution of gun crimes against legal owners. And yes, moving out of my suck-ass state would be the best way to fix it but it won’t happen for various reasons.

  19. I carry all of the time except for three reasons.
    1. I’m in bed
    2. I’m in the shower
    3. I am in a prohibited place
    For 1 & 2 there is always a firearm close at hand.
    Prohibited places in my case are government buildings where I have no choice, such as renewing a license at the BMV.
    For establishments that post the no gun sign, I simply follow their wishes and spend my money elsewhere, although I have been known to hand out a few of the No Gun = No Money card s (http://secure.ohioccw.org/store/p/38-No-Guns-No-Money-Cards-25-pk.aspx_.
    As for carrying in prohibited places, it really depends on the law in your jurisdiction. Here in Ohio, I can carry in a church with the permission of the minister, priest, etc. I can carry in the car while dropping off or picking up a student, but I may not enter the building without specific written permission of the superintendent. If I carry in a business marked with the No Guns sign, then I commit a trespass violation if I’m caught and fail to leave. Carrying in certain government buildings however can get you a much stiffer penalty. The good thing here in Ohio is that our CHL laws are constantly being improved.
    Ohio has actually been training and allowing some teachers to carry in schools. It’s kind of a hush thing so the anti gun zealots don’t have heart attacks.
    BTW, as I type this in my home office, I am carrying a firearm in a paddle holster, a spare loaded magazine, two knives, and a flashlight. This is pretty much EDC for me while in the home, and gets extended when I leave by putting on my vest (http://www.511tactical.com/511-tactical-vest.html) which adds several more knives, flashlights, and loaded magazines, plus a bunch of other useful goodies.

    • PS,
      Anyone who gets a chance to attend Col. Dave Grossmans Bulletproof Mind seminar, and hasn’t yet, should really make the effort. It will help change your whole focus. His excellent essay, On Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs (http://www.killology.com/sheep_dog.htm), which I highly recommend everyone reads, will give you a perspective on what being a sheepdog is about, because in society, you are always one of the three. Having a concealed carry permit automatically makes you a sheepdog, because you’ve made the choice not to be a sheep, and they generally don’t license the wolves. This being said, Grossman will tell you something that has stuck with me since I attended his seminar 5 years ago. If you have the ability and skill to carry a firearm and you choose not to, that is OK; however, as you leave your home without it, gently under your breath you should say, “Baa”.

  20. Both me and my husband carry concealed. No worries. I don’t waste time with a pocket pistol, I carry a 45 springfield. I have on occasion open carried but I live in a rural area and the only person’s who would freak out would be any tourist in the area, and that suits me fine. I work out on the property always with a firearm and knife since cougars have been spotted stalking my chickens. At work, we aren’t allowed to bring the firearm in but there is an unspoken don’t ask, don’t tell rule which works out for several of us. I have no desire to support any buisness that thinks the 2nd Amendment doesn’t apply to them. So I don’t. I for one, am not a sheep.

  21. My primary reason for carrying concealed is the mass shooting epidemic. All but 1 or 2 mass shootings in the last 15 years have occurred in “no gun” zones. I firmly believe that the cowards that would commit “said” mass shootings, will look for safe places to act… therefore, I carry in those places.

    Where will the next coward strike??? Costco, the mall, my daughter’s gymnastics meet??? The only time I leave my firearm in the car is when there is a metal detector in the building I’m entering.

    I hope to God there is another like me at the next mass shooting! and the next one after that!

  22. I have a NYS permit, and I follow the rules laid down as to where I carry. I pack as part of my job (I often do bank runs or pickups in a rougher part of town), and many of our customers are not what you’d call ‘upright citizens’. I look at it this way: if something happens to me when I’m in a place I’m not supposed to be carrying that could have been prevented by me retaining my weapon, if I survive, I’ll have one helluva case to trot out. Since I’ve stopped lead twice already, I’m not too concerned about #3. Most of those idiot ‘gangbangers’ can’t hit the broad side of a barn anyway, and if it comes up close, I always have a carbon-fiber cane and a working knowledge of botitsu to make up the difference.