Conflicted Tuesday


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You are at a business convention 1200 miles away from your family when an EMP goes off and stops the entire civilization in it’s tracks. None of the means of communications or transportation work, the banking system and all the comforts of modern civilization are broken, setting the entire country back hundreds of years. Infrastructure won’t be fixed anytime soon and you aren’t ready for this. You have $300 in your pocket and a few hours before all shelves are empty. Would you stay local or head for home? Whatever your decision is, what would you buy with the money and why?

Looking forward to the discussion in the comments below…

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  1. I would head home, since I would have an appropriately packed GHB ready to go. Depending on what part of the country I was in–i.e., availability of water–I would pick up water and more food on my way out.

  2. I’m heading home. With my money I’m buying a bike so I can move out faster. I always travel with workout clothes/shoes, a knife, and a backpack so with the money I’ll be trying to get a method to start fire and boil/carry water. As much food as I can carry, a bigger knife or weapon of some sort. I think I can scrounge a lot from a hotel for shelter, etc, so I’ll be focused on the transportation, food, fire, and protection.

    • j.r. guerra in s. tx. says:

      I’m with the bicycle crowd as well, but it will probably be taken away / stolen later on down the road. Used quickly enough, the bicycle would be used fast enough to get out of town before people realize Life As We Know It has changed – drastically.

      Spend the money now while it has considered value – later on currency will be TP or fire starter. A pair of water containers (one for purified water, the other for gathered), steel pot, a bag of rice, a tarp, cordage and a single shot shotgun (easy pawn shop buy, as well as popular ammunition) and Run Forrest Run! :^)

      • I’ve walked/ran over 30 miles in a day and I know how much it tolls even younger bodies, so I’ll use and abuse that bike as long as I can!

    • patientmomma says:

      I agree with Daisy; buy a bike, a hand pump, extra tire, some kind of weapon. I carry emergency stuff with me all the time, including a life straw, compass and I travel in jeans and boots. I would get out of the city fast, use back roads. It would take me a while, but I would get home. Biggest problem would be safety. I would need to find a family group or similar to try to travel with. Barter my knowledge along the way home.

  3. If the $300 still bought anything I would look for some good boots and socks. Then, as I am the oldest male in my family, and thus the leader, it would be my Christian duty to proceed back to my loved ones. (not sarcasm)

    Otherwise, I would hitch up with a motorcycle gang, get some tattoos and black leather cloths, and roam the highways stealing gas and eating people. Oh wait, that’s the plot to Mad Max!….never mind. (sarcasm)

    • Im throwing in with sarcastic ghost. I love motorcycles and tobasco can make anyone taste good.

      • Rider of Rohan says:

        Sounds like a plan. I’m in. I always wanted to ride a Harley, and pillage and rape. It’s my Viking heritage.

        • Being the pillage idiot, I’d go with the bike, water and weapon crowd and head for home.

    • Get a horse, doesn’t need gas (though it does need a lot of food, water and maintenance) and it’s a lot tastier than a Harley.if it comes to crunch time.

  4. Rider of Rohan says:

    The first thing I would do is buy additional ammo for my pistol. Then I would use part of the cash to buy food that is portable and nutritious, such as fruit and nut bars, etc. I would then buy a sleeping bag, small dynamo flashlight, firestarter, Life Straw water filter, and small tarp. The next order of the day is get out of the city as quickly as possible, and to head in the direction that is generally toward home. It will be important to stay off the normal areas that people travel(interstate highways and major thoroughfares), and to head toward smaller towns and rural areas using state and local roads. The only real long-term hope is to find someone willing to take you in as an ally or worker. Then move on from there. In such an occurrence as the EMP that was described, getting home on foot from 1200 miles away would be nigh impossible until some of the infrastructure was back in place. One would be fortunate to survive, much less get back home. But I would have to try.

    • I agree…as much as I would like to immediately set off for home, there probably isn’t much of a realistic chance of making it 1200 miles in one piece alone. Even assuming I could hike 20 miles per day in good weather and be perfectly safe, it would still take me 60 days to get home.

      I’d have to accept that homeward travel is going to be much slower than I’d like. I’d get a bike and try to head in the general direction of home, preferably with a couple of other people headed in the same direction. I’d try to work for food and shelter as I went, and I might need to stay in a place for a longer period of time (if invited) due to things such as illness, bad weather or whatnot.

      Also, I would not put myself at ridiculous risk needlessly. I can’t control what may or may not have happened to them in my absence. However, I’m no good to my family if I end up getting myself killed though carelessness. I’d want to move towards them as quickly, but as safely, as possible. Hopefully I’ve left my family members with enough supplies and know-how to survive until I can get to them.

  5. axelsteve says:

    Well I was 1200 miles away for a work related convention that means I would be screwed for the time being. I mean you can`t fly with a ghb or bob or any bag with preps. I gotta think a bit on this one.

    • Rider of Rohan says:

      Yeah, I kinda jumped the gun myself. I didn’t think about not being able to carry my pistol with me on a plane. That’s one reason I don’t fly anymore, nor go to states that don’t honor my concealed carry license.

      • I think it would depend where my family is at the time. If they are safe with my in laws, I’d stay put where I was at until the masses start to thin themselves out.

        If I am a business convention maybe I know a local or two who could help me get situated for the time being.

      • Just for future reference – which of the airlines have EMP proof airplanes?

        • I withdraw the airline comment. Went back and reread the comments I was responding to and now understand that the idea was that one probably flew TO the convention and didn’t bring along needed items. Sorry about that!!

          • JAC,
            It doesn’t say that you haven’t brought needed items, it says, “you aren’t ready for this”, and this can mean very different things. I could have a GHB including a firearm and a bicycle, or for that matter have skipped the convention and be sitting at home, and pretty much guarantee that none of us are ready for this, if we’re all being truthful. More prepared than most perhaps, but never really ready.

    • axelsteve,
      You state, “I mean you can`t fly with a ghb or bob or any bag with preps. I gotta think a bit on this one.” and I whole heartedly disagree, because I do so. You can’t take it as carry on and you can’t take explosives (which are not in most GHB’s anyway); but, you can take with you anything I can think of, including a firearm and ammunition if properly packed an declared, assuming the convention destination isn’t someplace like Chicago, NYC, or anywhere in CA.

      • axelsteve says:

        the last time that I flown was in 1980 ,So I am not current with the new travel restrictions. I am current with prostrate exam and colonoscapy so I see no reason to fly any time soon.

    • Backwoods Prepper says:

      You are so lucky to fly. my boss would make me drive. But on the down side I won’t get reimbursed for my mileage. Note to self : ask for cash advance.

    • Actually that is a good idea to have- a BOB for airline travel, close to a regular one but largely lacking security measures, tools, and some other useful things, BUT can include a lot of things you might not other wise consider. AND a list of ‘items to buy on site’ things you can pick up and afford to abandon for the flight back.
      I am also developing a ‘for when they come around for the forced labor draft’ camp bag. Similar idea.

  6. I agree with Ghosts list and would add a good compass and maps of the route(s) home. GPS may not be available or reliable. Walking 1200 miles not to mention getting out of the city( I am assuming that your meeting is in a big city) is a big nut to crack. Getting out of the high population area should be a major priority before 3 days go by. A good book to read on a similar scenario is “AshFall”.

    • Before I take any trip I have a map of how to get back home (as well as the destination) ESPECIALLY when I fly.
      I also have an innate sense of direction but would agree with picking up another compass just in case. I must have spent the other 200 of my emergency travel stash on something else…
      Since plane travel is most likely for the 1200 mile distance, I probably arrived without knife or firearm – last time I traveled by plane I picked up a cheap folding pocket knife on the way to the hotel, and left it and most of the hygiene items behind near a homeless shelter. I always travel with good socks and shoes, and some sort of hat and jacket – even if just a wind breaker, I also brought my own water filter bottle on my last flight.
      If people were still selling things I would happily offer to buy any pre ’80s junk motor vehicle, if available, otherwise I would go for the bicycle as others have said, followed by what ever fire lighting stuff, a pot, food, utensils (spoons are hard to live without), additional water purifying stuff, etc.
      I have good night vision but a small flashlight with dim red filtered light can be useful for the time (much of it) that I would be travelling at night. I would dump the laptop and most other electronics I have to carry for business, destroying the hard drives, and keeping batteries.
      There is no way I would stay in a strange city during such an event. Getting out of dodge by travelling around the clock for the first few days is essential IMHO. Following train tracks, rivers, etc., instead of roads as much as possible. 1200 miles is doable. 20 miles per day on foot is reasonable guess, which means a 2 to 3 month trip, if a bike cant be found/bought you can probably cut the travel time at least in half, if you can get something like a simple atv or dirt bike (and find enough fuel for it! – don’t forget a manual fuel transfer pump and hand auger to drain gas tanks of abandoned vehicles and check that they are GAS not diesel) you could make it in only a week or so.
      Be certain those who would be waiting for you know WHERE you are, and have some idea of how long it would take you to walk back- It would be a shame to come home to your funeral.

      • OOPS! I forgot to mention that I always pick up multivitamins as soon as I arrive at after a flight- If I didn’t already have enough, I would be sure to pick up more to supplement the high energy food (sugary and fatty). And a back up pair of very dark sunglasses – to help maintain night vision.

      • Grey,
        Due to the distances involved, especially when flying, I’ve never bothered with a map. It is a great idea, and one I’ll be using from now on.

        • If nothing else it gives you some idea of where you are and what might be around you, and helps orient you toward things you might want to know about. I also check out the areas news papers ahead of time as well, classifieds, headlines, and community events can all help out. I don’t travel by air often, and only once or twice a year out of state by car, but I always do the maps and papers before the trip- no matter how impromptu or urgent.

      • Desert Fox says:

        It’s amazing how a male brain acts! Perhaps you could buy a bike and supplies to travel with $300 dollars! but where? Great if you are near commerce with such things! $300 won’t go far… Great scenario to think about…better pack good shoes and clothes on your next extended trip! I always travel with my lipstick 😉

    • After reading the other comments so far. it struck me that best way to get home is to be home. I am retired so I don’t need to go to seminars or meetings anymore. I used to quite a bit. So now I just stay pretty close to home. The furthest I go is 40 miles to the big town for shopping at big stores.

      Does anybody else think that this missing Jet plane could be used to deliver a high altitude nuke over the US or perhaps the EU.? The EMP could cripple the EU and what effect if any would that have on the US.

      • Sagewolf says:

        Don’t know about plane. But during a SHTF event 40 miles is still a long way on foot. At least several days if you are lucky. You still need to be prepared a little.

      • I’m thinking Israel.

      • carl,
        Assuming you have proper clothing, shoes, and some GHB gear with you in the vehicle, 14 miles should be a relatively easy walk. In the first hours or days after an EMP, thing should still be relatively normal, until the sheep figure out that it’s not, so walking home that distance shouldn’t be too bad, and can be done in as little as perhaps 5-6 hours. In an earlier time I traveled that far in 4 hours carrying a 35 pound rucksack (day pack) on flat terrain.
        As for a high altitude device, the plane can’t fly high enough. It limits out at 8-10 miles and a high altitude device is defined from 20-300+ miles. A device detonated at that height would of course still be disastrous, but I really don’t see a craft like that encroaching very far into US airspace without being challenged. As for the EU, I don’t know their capabilities, but would assume that they might also present a challenge. If however, a device were detonated over the UEU it would have no direct physical effects on the US, but the obvious confusion and economic fallout would be pretty bad.

      • hvaczach says:

        I thought the same thing, I saw an article on fox news that there are two nukes missing since 2013 and now a massive 777. Mind you probly only around 45,000 feet (mind you I am no aviation expert but the service ceiling is just over 43000 feet) roughly nine miles high so probly only a few thousand square miles affected but still!

      • patientmomma says:

        The terrorists are going to use that plane to damage something; probably Israel, but there are other options.

    • I liked AshFall, too. Good book.

  7. I walk a long way all the time, yesterday I walked 22 miles to town and 22 miles back at a fast pace slightly over 3.4 MPH, doing it all in daylight because it still gets down to 0 degrees at night here. my longest walking week I covered slightly less than 500 miles in 6 days (my friends call my calves watermelons)

    at that range I estimate I could make it home in 3 weeks, a week on a bike, all assuming I have some gear for it.

    I would get a bike preferably if I could get one cheap, if not its trail boots and wool hiking socks. iodine tablets to treat water fast (travel fast without having to stop to purify it). I can use soda bottles to carry it and post disaster they should still be easy to find. I would get a fire starter and some way to cook (make a hobo stove and get a pot for it), a box of candles and make a lantern (I’ve walked hundreds of miles with a lamp made from a soda can in good times, I can make them with my eyes closed). I would load up on supplies for food, a trip like this will take a lot of calories so I would load up on quick to cook stuff that light and takes up little room. candy bars, and some heavier fresh stuff to eat the first couple days. I would have a small bag on my side to throw found food in as I go (wild carrots, burdock, plantain, parsnips, currents, apples etc) to cook and save the dry stuff for when I need it. an army type poncho and blanket as well. I would never travel further than a days walk in winter so I assume this would be in spring, summer or fall.

    I had to make my way home on foot a few times before, last time was 100 miles away, took 3 days to get back, based my answer on how I did things those times.

    • mindful patriot says:

      Nemoseto, is there a “technique” to walking that helps you cover 22 miles in a day? I have heard there is, and I would love to learn a new skill. I need to prepare to walk home if necessary, and normal walking is different (or so I hear) than distance walking.

      • Nemoseto says:

        Not a technique really, I travel like this all the time, my top speed (calculated) is about 3.5 mph, if I rush it I can get 4 mph for an hour or 2 but get tired faster and have to slow down after. at 3.5 mph over 10 hours of travel I can cover 35 miles. in summer months there can be up to 18 hours of daylight (sunup to sundown), winter hours here can be as few as 8 hours of sunlight. there isn’t much of a trick to it, it just takes stamina and good cardio to maintain a steady pace for a very long time, if your used to it you also develop tough blister resistant feet and muscles from the constant workouts.

        the best technique I know is refered to as planes walking where you pivot your weight on your knee taking less effort to walk (each step has a kind of mini rest. it works well to make long trips easier along roadsides and good trails but not in dense cover or in a town, most people walk with their knees slightly bent as a trained response so they can better move around other people and objects. walking with slightly bent knees puts a little more strain on the muscles and wears you out faster (most people don’t walk enough to notice). I have heard it called planes stride or planes walk.

        another cheap trick I have used is to use duct tape on hotspots to prevent blisters, makes skin smooth and eliminates friction, works about as well as mole foam/mole skin

        there are a few good books popular with backpacking as a sport that have a wealth of good information but I rarely see preppers mention them. “the sierra clubs guide to backpacking”, the “ultra light hiking guide” and “beyond backpacking” were a few of my personal favorites. its a hobby or sport among a lot of folks to walk 10,000+ trail miles, the writers all pick up tricks to travel lighter and faster. most of the better books discuss fitness to make you trail ready, tips to reduce equipment weight (though most of that fancy gear would not last long under SHTF conditions), first aid problems encountered from long trips, food and shelter tips, etc.

      • Hunker-Down says:
    • Yeah. I’d appreciate knowing that, too, or even where to look and learn those things. That’s a skill I want to learn.

      • Buckwheat says:

        I would check out a book called Chi Running or Chi Walking by Danny Dreyer. I have read the running one when I was doing triathlons. It was helpful. I think that they also have DVDs.

    • Redwood Mama says:

      Yes, If you have a special walking technique I would love to learn it. That is a lot of ground covered! Thanks.

    • I’m not Nemoseto but will give you my response, since as a younger man I used to do similar hikes. It’s not all that hard, but does require commitment and practice. A normal adult walking pace is about 3 MPH and if you keep walking with nominal rests of perhaps 10 minutes every 2 hours and walk for 10 -12hours per day, then you can cover about 30 miles per day. The biggest thing in doing this is having leg muscles that are toned and in shape, and that is accomplished by walking. There’s no magic here, just dedication, time, and walking. It is also a bit easier if you are taller and have a longer stride. At about 5′ 6″ my normal stride covers about 2.5 feet per step when purposefully walking. Your length will vary.

      • Buckwheat says:

        Before I was obsessed with prepping, I was obsessed with Triathlon. I did half and full ironmans. You can use a run/walk interval to cover 26.2 miles in an afternoon with no obstacles.

        The key is pacing yourself with a tempo.

        The first 3 days will be essential. Every day after the shock wares off without chaos is a bonus.

        If you are planning to follow rail roads and and non-traditional routes, better plan on taking a lot longer.

        I would buy a bike and a water filter, a bag, a knife and something to hold water and food with whatever is leftover.

        The Going Home Series by An American is this same scenario except a shorter distance. Man, I would shudder to think that what would have to be done over 1200 miles. I wouldn’t waste any time and start humping it home. Plenty of time to think and adjust along the way.

        • Buckwheat says:

          btw, you can practically walk a marathon in 7hrs. That is a 16 minute pace. If you are in halfway decent shape, you can do it.

          • Buckwheat says:

            one last thought, as I am reading through some more comments. Yes, I know the toll it will have on your body. But your body can handle almost anything that the brain allows it to handle. In other words, you are your worst enemy in this situation. As soon as you give up, so will your body. IT is not the crazed lunactics that did not prepare that are the most dangerous. For me, I would be playing in my minds eye the results of me not being there for my wife and kids in the grid down scenario. That would allow me to push myself beyond a normal person but still remain cognizant of staying alive to get there.

            • Desert Fox says:

              I have found that after a few days of hard body punishment (walking, sleeping on hard ground, etc.) your body adjusts and gets in better shape. That is, provided you treat it kindly and not starve it too much. The mind is a killer – so think good thoughts!

        • Read the first book in the Going home series. The only problem I had with book. Is I pictured his bag being bigger. On the cover of the book the artist used an advance backpack similar to a school bag. I was picturing a true hiking backpack that was atleast 3 times the size of the pack on the back of the person on the cover.

          Still a good book though I do plan on reading the rest in series. I am reading Ashfall series now good book.
          By the way what that 16 year old kid went through would in my eyes would earn him the RIGHT to what ALL adults are allowed to do even a right to Vote on stuff . In my eyes he would be equal to me as a 38 year old man. He would no longer be a kid unless he chose to keep child status.

      • Hunker-Down says:

        It helps to coordinate your steps with your breathing. For example, 3 steps, inhale, 3 steps exhale.
        Increasing the swing of the arms will unconsciously increase the length of your stride and increase your MPH.

        In this scenario my shoe leather would collapse. Business shoes do not a hiker make.

  8. I’m using that $300 to buy a bicycle, gun & ammo, & portable water filter, jack-knife, & food if there’s any to be found. Then hit the road for home, & hopefully have a little cash left to buy food along the way.

    • $300 is not a lot of money I think getting a gun with ammo abike water filter and food maybe a little optimistic.

      Water purification tablets and a means to transport water and make fire with a knife would be better and good foot gear.

      • Sagewolf,
        As someone who has started fires with nearly every primitive way you can think of, the best fire making tool for a journey like this would most likely be a handful of butane lighters. In this case we’re not trying to prove anything or live off the land, just have a quick, easy, and reliable way to get a fire going when we need one. The ultimate goal of this tourney or to get home safe and soon.
        BTW, I also think that the list RedC posted for $300 was a bit optimistic.

        • Sagewolf says:

          Your right you can buy a lot of lighter $10 bucks to start and keep an eye out for other ways to make fire to help stretch out your lighters. I did over look the lighter option thanks for pointing it out.

        • Those lighters would gain value as you moved home and people realized what was/wasn’t useful. Certainly a few extra would be more portable than the food that money could buy.

      • Sagewolf, I believe u’re right, & I agree that water purification tablets are better than a water filter. However, one can buy a bike for $120-170 (admittedly the lower end of the scale), & forego the gun & ammo. The reason for the bike, is that one can average 100-120 miles a day on bike, whereas by foot, it’s going to take 5-6 times as long. & I’d try to get an extra inner tube too. & matches or bic lighters too.
        A bike rider can outrun most dogs too.

        BTW, there’s a fictional story of a man who was in Houston, Texas when an emp hit, & he walked all the way back to his family home in Montana, which took him months. I think the title was “77 Days…”

      • axelsteve says:

        i would also get a can of fix a flat for the bike.Can of oil for the chain and de railer if the bike has one.

  9. My first thought would be getting my hands on a couple of horses. Yeah, I know, more to feed and water, but they would help me find alternate sources to that effect. I keep tools in my everyday carry that would help and collapsable water bottles too. Plenty of other items would be found scrounging dumpsters and landfills. Horses would let me follow riverbanks and streams, only problem would be if I was on the west coast. Two deserts and a mountain range, not to mention likely bandits roaming north from the Mexican border would be a real problem. In either case, finding others heading the same way for mutual protection would be foremost in my thoughts.
    And, thanks, MD for making me really paranoid to travel!! ;-P

    • Shai,
      Unless you ride bareback, I think you would be hard pressed to find just the tack for a horse for $300.

      • Yep. A blanket and some rope is all I need. Would actually use the cash to buy a map and maybe a stainless steel watering pan. Double use for cooking, boiling water, watering the horses. And likely would be “liberating” some rental stable nags that would starve or be eaten at some point in the near future.

        • CountryVet says:

          Me too on the horses! We would actually be doing the horses a favor. They are dead one way or the other if left there. We would most be likely to get the tack we needed (actually- would like to have, not have to have) at the same place as the horses.

        • Hunker-Down says:

          Bareback riding is a lot more comfortable than a saddle.
          One needs to learn to ‘swing’ up onto the horse.

      • Sagewolf says:

        This assumes you truly know how to ride a horse. I imagine for a horse to be of use You would need to be as good as a cowboy during the old west days. You need to CONTROL the horse not just ride it.

        • CountryVet says:

          There are some of us who actually RIDE. I grew up working livestock on horseback. I could ride before I could walk. I am sure that there are many others the same.
          A “greenbroke” horse can actually be ridden more easily bareback with a halter than with a saddle and bridle most of the time. They resent the pressure of the girt and the bit in their mouth. I personally preferr to ride with a hackamore which is essentially a modified halter used for training horses before they are “bitted up.”.

          • CountryVet,
            Never rounded up any cattle, but have ridden since I was a kid, and until the DD went off to college had several quarter horses and a mini. We’re now down to just the mini. Considering that a horse can outrun a human even at a walk or slow trot, the journey would be way shorter timewise than walking.

          • SoCalPrepper says:

            Right! This! I love a hackamore, but I’m not sure I’d want to go cross country with one. If the horse was only green broke though, you’re right, we wouldn’t have a choice. I mostly ride in a loose ring snaffle. Pelham for shows if the super mare is quiet.

            You could find tack for way under $300. Heck, my first English saddle was $100. Really though the horse will probably have tack “around” that will come with it. Otherwise, a halter and a leadrope will do for me. That’s why we ride bareback and without stirrups a lot in training!

            Rather than control – I find it to be a discussion. Then again, I ride a mare!

          • hvaczach says:

            I rode ALOT until around 14 then we could drive in SoDak so traded horse in for horsepower, But used a hack almost exclusivly, many horses have a soft mouth (or are smart and can hold a bit in the teeth) and either way resent a bit, a hackamore can be a really useful tool.

          • Good for you. it is a skill I would like to learn, but their are so many things to learn I just don’t have the time. If this event happened I would probably fall off the horse and break something. What I might do instead is use the horse to carry some stuff if it will let me.

  10. Donna in MN says:

    I assume I flew 1200 mile away to this convention, (no one drives this distance) so I would buy a bicycle with a basket and saddle bag for supplies– a small tire pump, extra tire tube, patch kit, food like beef jerky, peanut butter, energy bars, and mre’s; a water jug,a small pan, emergency blanket, camp blanket, antibiotic creme, strike a lite, mosquito spray, a knife, small saw, hachet, canvas and rope for a tent, and trek home. It would take me 30 days to get there if I traveled 40 miles a day.

    Since carrying guns on airplanes is illegal, and are screened getting to a convention before an EMP blast, I would not have one. Even buying guns on the black market would not give me enough to buy a bicycle or supplies. Since I know how to throw hachet and knives, they would be a tool and a weapon.

    Thing is I don’t travel more than a day away from home anymore. Those days are done. This senario would not happen to me. I live alone with my buddies. My dogs would certainly die, and my home ransacked within a those 30 days. Why I would go home then would be for my caches, and knowing how to survive with collecting wild foods there, and it still is my property.

    • Donna,

      1200 miles is only Houston to Miami–many folks drive this as a two-day trip.

      • Sagewolf says:

        Your right my family did it all the time when we went to visit Grandma and Grandpa. It is easier to do with two people taking turns driving though.

      • We drive so cal to central west Texas (about 1100 miles), straight through if we have two drivers.

    • Donna,
      When you state, “Since carrying guns on airplanes is illegal” you are only partially correct. You may not carry them in your carry on; however, properly packed and declared, you may carry gunS and the last I checked, up to 11 pounds of ammunition in your checked baggage. Check with your airline website for details. Also, make sure what the laws are in the destination city / state.

  11. I just went through this very scenario in my head. I spent the weekend at prepperstock and sat with ron foster for a couple hours discussing this very topic. (he said this scenario might be the idea for his next novel) I would try and buy a moped,scooter,bycycle. anything that would kep me from having to walk,but i would head home and try and keep my wife safe. I brought my GHB,with a couple hundred rounds for the carbine I keep folded up in it. If nothing else,I would get back across the mississsippi river bridge before it was controlled,or patrolled.

    • Donna in MN says:

      Hey if motor scooters, mopeds, and motorcycles run after an EMP blast, I’ll just rent a car and drive home, stop at farms for gas or steal from gas tanks with a handy siphon tube. hey easy!

      • Steal Gas? Donna do you want to join our post-SHTF motorcycle gang? (sarcasm)

      • Donna,
        Motor scooters, mopeds, and motorcycles, especially older ones, would probably not be affected, since they generally run on magnetos and would survive. Modern automobiles OTOH are chock full of electronics, and may be knocked out of commission, while their older brethren are still functional.

        • Sagewolf says:

          Assuming they work at all. If motor bikes and other kinds of motor stuff was maintained right you should be good to go, but eventually those kind of bikes will be regulated to the scrapyard. I noticed a small moped in my neighbors back yard behind his shed and short of tearing it do and rebuilding it. It will never run again. It also is one of the older variety I think.

        • Donna in MN says:

          I already know this, I was making a joke. These old cars and vehicles are rare that actually run. A junkyard may not have workable parts that make them run either.

          And who would give up their only “running” form of transportation for under $300 when they would be more valuable than a new car when an emp hits? Banks aren’t open to write those big checks either..

          So I guessing I would have to steal, rob, or kill for one, then I may as well join Ghosts motorcycle gang, shave my head with a mohawk, put rings on my nose, and get a “mother” and a barbed wire tatoo.

          • I still have numerous magneto based items like chain saws, generators, tillers, and lawn mowers around, all in working order. This technology is still with us if you look around.

            • Maybe but we need something we can ride which I agree is rare.

              • Sagewolf,
                How about a bicycle with a chain saw motor attached. It will take some ingenuity and may take duct tape and bailing wire, but then again, so did the very first motorcycles.

  12. Not to beat a dead horse but these cards don’t provide enough information. Is the $300 all I have? What time of year is it, what’s the weather like? Where am I located geographically and where am I heading? It makes a huge difference if I have to cross the Rockies/Appalachians or Arizona/New Mexico/Nevada is part of my path. Do I have any other resources available like a fellow employee?

    Based on what I assume is the spirit of the card, that all I have is a suitcase full of business clothing, some casual stuff and $300 and that there is any place that is still doing business without any POS (point of sale, not piece of feces) terminals working… Well $300 doesn’t buy a lot and nothing good.

    Basically in this scenario you’re well and truly [bleeped]. There’s no way to buy enough supplies and gear to make it 1200 miles without lottery winning luck along the way. Heck you’d be hard pressed to buy enough supplies to make it a week.

    Let’s break it down. We start with 1200 miles. You’re going to have inevitable detours, having to avoid suspicious circumstances, major cities, terrain obstacles, trying to scrounge food, water and shelter? You’ll have to hole up for part of that time due to weather or outwit pursuit. Let’s be generous and say you only have to add another 300 miles to the trip and make 1500.

    On foot, having to search for food, water and shelter every day and avoid hostile forces at times over rough terrain? Let’s say you can pull off an average of 30 miles a day which most people simply cannot do over time for 2 months day after day.

    You’re looking at _50_days on foot. Across hostile terrain. Without supplies. Competing for other people for the same resources.

    But we have to try right? Okay as a business traveller I probably have a backpack, if more my laptop if nothing else. It’s not much but it’s a start and preserves money for whatever supplies I can get.

    Being in a strange city with NO WAY TO LOOK UP INFORMATION we’re limited in what we have around us. There’s no way to know that there’s a milsurp place 3 miles west and do you risk walking there only to find it closed down with a guy on the roof with a shotgun?

    Let’s say we get lucky and there’s someone open close by that is selling stuff we can use (I was in NYC for the east coast black out and I can first hand tell you that everyone, every chain and large store shut down except the tiny corner markets). Let’s buy high calorie dense for their weight foods, peanut butter, nuts, oatmeal, sugar, multi vitamins. Enough to get us started on our trip.

    We need a cheap way to carry water. Buy a case of water bottles for a few bucks, don’t plan on carrying it all but cheaper than buying them singly. Take several full and a few empty for refilling purposes and to use for the purposes of UV purification so we dont’ contaminate the clean ones.

    A firearm is out of the question but lets say we’re prepared and have a good quality cr123 or 16440 light with long burn time settings in our pockets along with a multitool or a Pak-Light. Something that will give us light for the whole trip so we don’t have to spend money on that.

    We need an atlas of the nation, one with detail pages of each state. Rip out all the states we’re not going anywhere near to save weight. There’s enough trash in this country fire starter isn’t a problem.

    Pick up a couple lighters for fire. Cordage. A tarp. Grey area but nab that ubiquitous fleece blanket from the hotel room bed. Good warmth to weight ratio. Take the soaps and shampoos. A couple of towels and wash cloths. Hell take whatever they have that makes sense for the trip. If you have money and a place to buy them then a spare set of tennis shoes, socks, underwear. Dont’ try to buy boots, what you could get for what little money you might have after buying food stuff are going to destroy your feet. Sneakers are far from optimal but the most likely to be available that will be okay for the walk and make it for the trip.

    Then ‘buy your lottery ticket’ and head out because you’re going to need it. God speed and best of luck.

    Or that’s how I’d do it which is only ‘one’ way to try it.

    • axelsteve says:

      Maybe buy a genarator light for the bike.

    • I would first set my mind to the fact that I’m going to make it. One way or another I’m going to get home. Without that mindset I would say their is no point in even trying. I have to think thay my family is on the other end of that journey. Whatever happens on the way happens but at least I can go out knowing that I didn’t abandon my family because I thought the trip would be too hard. Survival attitude and the hotel bible would see me through.

  13. That is likely 3 months of walking to get back unless you could get a bike and spares/tools to ride cross country then it is likely a month of riding.

    We generally go as a family so there is that, both good and bad. I would likely look for a cart for children, gear, water and food transport as well as better weapons.

    I travel in good boots, but would pick up a spare pair if I could.

    Finding an old diesel tractor would speed things up to a couple weeks travel time and allow more to be carried.

    Lots of options as long as you are open to possibilities and determined to get back home.


  14. mindful patriot says:

    I only travel once a year a distance comparable to this. My focus has always been for those left at home. Reading the comments gives me ideas and I am headed to my GHB to add a couple of items I had not previously thought of. Thanks, Pack!

    I like the idea of additional food and a bicycle…unless I take mine with from now on. I would def head for home.

    • Hey Guys, You will not get jack with $300 in this type of situation! Be prepared before it happens! Start walking like the French Foreign Legion does! Walk so many steps and rest. Do you really think supplies will be available at any cost? Those at home should be prepared for any situation!

  15. Looking at this set up from my point of view, I probably flew there. Therefore, I don’t have my GHB with me, only a few items that would get past TSA and the airline regulation. And I will be heading home.

    If tensions were high, I would have more equipment, but I’ll assume it was more of a surprise. and the trip was planned to be a short one.

    I’d need something to carry my goods and equipment in. A pack with a waist belt. Then a means to shelter myself and cook my food. Depending upon the time of year, extra clothing may be required. A way to carry and purify water is also needed.

    I’ll want a camp knife and a hatchet. Both as tools and weapons.

    My 1st stop will be any Thrift Shops. Used items work well and everything will get used soon. Another pair of boots! I may even find a bicycle that will fit in my budget.

    Food would be needed, but there are more sources of food than good equipment. Plus I will need to transport what I find, so getting the food first may be more of a problem than a solution.

    Weapons, as in firearms, would probably be out of the question. Current firearms regulations and ammunition availability would precluded a store purchase. Unless I knew someone at this location well, and they had spares, I just don’t see this happening. However, creating a spear from my walking stick (whenever I acquire one) will be a goal, and a spare Thrift Store large kitchen knife my just do the trick. I’m sure that I can “procure” a firearm or too on the way, but it is not a top priority.

    Now having said this, I HATE flying. Gravity is not my friend. So, unless forced to I would be driving, and my GHB would change my focus to getting transportation for the trip home as my #1 priority, as the rest would generally be covered.

    As a final note, this is probably my worst fear when traveling. I am constantly trying to improve my mental preps for this as well as my GHB. I look forward to the comments (and suggestions)!

  16. The card states that I am not ready for this so no EDC OR GHB . Spare set of boots and socks have to top the list. Water filtration and fire starting comes next . A knife is the next item I need. Yes I am headed home. As no locations or times of year are given I am going to add a canvas tarp and lite rope (paracord) to my list. All this walking makes me tired so if the situation allows I am going to want to travel by water which should speed up travel . Also as I don’t tend to go west of the Mississippi River. I want some fishing hooks and line.

  17. I don’t fly as long as the Gestapo is in the airports and have little reason to travel that far in the first place ( I don’t like leaving the mountain to go to town, much less travel) but for the sake of the scenario here goes. A lot of the decision would depend on the season and where I was. Crossing unplowed mountain passes in winter, not so good an idea. Crossing the Mojave, tough anytime. But generally I’d head home. Ideally and assuming that cash would still buy anything at all I’d try to get a bicycle, a backpack, contractor plastic bags, cordage, some rat traps, peanut butter, jerky, nuts, dried fruit, jello (for a sugar induced energy burst), powdered Tang or Gatorade, water bottle/s, matches, lighters, some kind of small saw and at least one fixed blade knife, even if it was just a kitchen knife. Maybe a slingshot, though I could always make a sling. Then I’d get my attitude right and set out to eat the elephant one bite at a time.

  18. Buy some portable food supplies, water or a filter bottle, cordage and a small knife and steal a bike and head for the meeting location via back road or rail track ASAP.

  19. I thought that an EMP only effects electronics that are in operation at the time of execution? If so, would there not be some equipment available that was not running at the time of emp? Just a scenario thought.

    • JP in MT says:


      The truth is we just don’t know. Being a pessimist that doesn’t give up easily, I like to plan for worst case. Then things are always better than I could imagine.

      • Donna in MN says:

        Thanks, RS for making me dig for more info on emps effect on cars. I kick myself for following misinformation. You may be right.

        I found one website after another saying it won’t harm most cars unless it is close to large pieces of metal that is touching the ground. emp acts like lightening coming in radio waves and cars are naturally insulated because they have no grounding from the rubber tires and are like a farady cage with surrounding metal.. Gov’t and Oak Ridge National Laboratory tests with emp blasts have been done on vehicles and no harm was done.

        This means putting your generators, computers, electronics in an old truck will keep them safe if they don’t touch metal. Unplugging electronics indoors and keeping them more than 8 feet from any phoneline or long antenas keeps them protected. You can use batteries to keep them operational instead. There’s a lot more in actual emp nuke testing, go exploring….

        • Donna,
          The tires on the vehicle have nothing to do with the vehical surviving. Just the fact that the metal body creates a partial Faraday shield to keep stray currents and voltage out of the eletronics.

          • Donna in MN says:

            I was reporting from what conclusions were on testing at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory. Not my own conclusions.

    • RS,
      Equipment damage has nothing to do with whether it is in operation at the time of the event. If you think of the EMP as a large high powered radio wave (which in effect it is), then any length of conductor will act like an antenna and have power (voltage and current) induced into it. If the antenna is long enough, in a strong enough field, and oriented properly, then the power can damage the electronics to which it is connected. A small battery powered device turned on or off, may not be affected at all; however, almost anything plugged into line power (which is indirectly connected to miles of antenna (power lines) is likely to suffer damage. There are some good articles and discussions on EMP right here on the blog, and some good sites on the web discussing this.

  20. Fenland Prepper says:

    i would buy a bike if I could to move faster and believe it or not would appropriate one if I had to, needs must in my mind, judge me as you see fit. In the end my loyalty is to my family. I have a GHB in the car at all times, including a single back packer tent, sleeping bag, two full mre packs, energy bars, water, three ways to start fire and purification tabs. If the need arises I have two 7 inch combat knives plus smaller ones on multi tools. Boots, walking clothes (camo) etc. I have practice hiked for miles with this lot so I am as prepped as I can be at the moment.
    I travel a lot for work and this is what I have always prepped for, to get home and look after my family.

  21. SoCalPrepper says:

    I travel semi-frequently for work, so I think about this quite a bit. The farthest I travel is just under 1200 miles. For any of my cities that I travel to, getting home is going to require me to either trek across the desert, or to head slightly north and over the Sierra Nevadas and then south through Central or Coastal California.

    The first thing I would do is see about transportation – if I’m down to a bike or on foot, then I’d have to go the longer route with access to water. That would make it almost 1300 miles, but I’m not treking across the desert with only what I can carry. If it is bike/on foot, my $300 is going towards the bike and shoes, and a nice big knife since I wouldn’t have enough cash for a firearm.

    My preference would be a Vespa-type scooter or motorcycle. That would probably eat up ALL of my $$, and that’s ok. I always travel with a pair of hiking boots or decent tennis shoes, and jeans or hiking pants, so I would have to improvise for the rest. I also always travel with those collapsible water bottles, and a backpack, so that would be a start. I would then scrounge up as much water and edibles as possible and set out for home!

    I think the hotel / convention I was at would be a good resource. Convention center floors always have a big supply of canvas bags for show literature, and, depending on the convention, they also have lots of free water bottles, branded t-shirts, and sometimes even branded knives / screwdrivers. I work in the design/construction industry, so there may be some good free stuff I could use for my trek.

    On foot, I can probably only do 15 miles per day carrying gear. At that rate, with no rest days, it would take me almost 3 months to get home. I’d be forced to forage food from natural sources – so maybe even with the motorized transportation, I’d need to take the “long” way around so I had access to streams and plants for forage. I would hope that I could get my hands on a motorcycle that still worked after the EMP – so something older, probably, and that way I could get home in a matter of weeks instead of months. Some of them get 50+ miles per gallon, so I would need to find a way to gas up on the way home, but I”m guessing there would be plenty of stalled, computerized vehicles along the way I could siphon out of.

    • Sagewolf says:

      Your right socalprepper. You could buy a gun ,but it would be useless with out bullets so it is best to get stuff more useful.

    • Sagewolf says:

      Bad idea to force march home. Unless you are use to traveling on foot great distances doing what you said would destroy your body and someone like me would take your stuff from your cold dead body on the side of the road. Since you do want to get home you would need to take a break every few days to rest and let your body heal from all the walking it is not used to doing. You do want to be of use once you get home not nearly dead from traveling on foot. Now if you could fine a motor bike then it might be doable just watch out for bandits. In closing if SHTF happens good luck and GOD guide your journey to home safely.

      • SoCalPrepper says:

        Thanks Sage – you are totally right! I can do that kind of hiking for about 6 days before I need 2 days off. We do a lot of hiking / backpacking / conditioning, so I know exactly what my limits are. In the Sierras, it will slow to 10 miles per day or less!

        Bandits would be a tough one. I’d probably be alone, although if it was a convention I’d bet a few people would have the same idea. Potentially I would hope to hook up with a “pack” and travel that way. If not….I may have to travel only at strange hours, midnight to 5 or 6am maybe, to avoid crowds.

        • Desert Fox says:

          You got to remember that when you boarded the plane in your own town…lots of other people did too…even others from the same company that sent you on that business trip…so there is some hope to group…or others that live in the same direction you would be going. Got to keep that positive thinking!

  22. put your boots on says:

    i was actually in a situation like this over the weekend. i was out in california for a business meeting. i flew out there with carry on only, so the normal leatherman multi tool and gerber pocket knife did not get to go with me. emp attack has been on my mind a lot the last month or so, so i was definately thinking about situation. i would definatly start heading home. the bag i took with me was a light hiking bag, so i had that advantage. the money in my pocket would have went to food and medical supplies a new knife, or two, to make the trip along with possible extra clothing and anything that i thought i would be able to barter with as time went on. guns and ammunition would have come later after people started to realize what was going on and looting started to become the norm. luckily, the trip i was on, i had some co workers that live in the same area and are outdoors kind of people also, so i would have had a small group the travel with. also, on the trip out, i wore my jeans and boots. always a good idea to have a good pair of boots with ya.

  23. I would head home, since I carry an appropriate GHB on my trips. Facing a 1200 mile journey, I would probably buy the best bicycle I could get with the cash, or perhaps see if they would still take a personal check since you never know with sheep who are still accepting cash. Additionally I might acquire filtration equipment like Katadyn or Seychelle filter bottles or life straws depending on what I already had in the GHB. This is probably one of the most challenging conflicts to date, and has quite frankly been one of the things on my mind when I travel. A lot of the answer would in fact be based on where you were in contrast to where your home was. Living in Ohio, 1200 miles keeps you mostly east of the Mississippi river, where in general water isn’t going to be an issue while travelling. For those in or travelling through the southwest, desert areas, water could be a real problem. Keep in mind also, that you are looking at a trip of around 4-6 weeks, unless of course there are still some running vehicles and you can catch a ride for part of the journey.

    • k. fields says:

      This scenario is interesting in that I think it’s one where it’s easy to overlook your personal shortcomings. Can I walk 20 miles a day? Sure. Can I do that every day for 1,200 miles? No way. How long would such a journey take me? I would imagine at least 6 months for a trip of this sort today having no preps to rely upon.

      Food – Let’s face it, I won’t be carrying enough food to last very long at this level of exertion, so days upon days will be spent foraging during my trip.

      Conditioning – Days of rest will be needed even though I’m presently in good shape and those rests will become more frequent as my body breaks down from lack of proper nourishment.

      Safety – It’s unlikely I’ll be able to make the trip during the circumstances described unmolested. Some days will probably be spent simply hiding. Other times, movement at night would be the only possibility, cutting dramatically into my average miles covered per day.

      Proposed route – Yes, I’m 1,200 miles from home but how many miles would I need to actually travel to get there? Are there large rivers to cross? Do I travel over a long exposed bridge or take the time and extra miles to find another, safer way.
      Twelve hundred miles will turn into a lot more as I try to avoid large population centers or areas of desert. If I had to travel through an area experiencing cold winter-type weather, I may have to hole-up until the weather clears. (remember the Donner Party?)

      So how’s about those who have actually taken such a journey at a time before modern conveniences? Well, the original Mormon migration was about 1,300 miles with many walking while pulling handcarts – so it could be a good example. Length of time? about 17 months – and they were much, much better prepared for the journey than I would be under the stated circumstances.

      Yes, I would try to get home – but I would accept the likelihood that it could be years before I made it.

      • k. fields says:

        Oops, didn’t mean that as a reply to Ohio Prepper. I somehow screwed up after reloading the page.

        • Rider of Rohan says:

          After jumping in and making a comment earlier without giving it a lot of thought, I have taken the time to think about it and most of what you say is accurate, k. fields, at least in my experience. The first few days you could make good time, but just securing food would soon take up longer and longer amounts of time with less and less chance of success. Then the security issue would be paramount. You have to sleep sometime, can you ever be sure someone has not seen you? And is just waiting for the right time to attack or confront you, and is almost 100% likely to have a firearm. Then throw ticks, mosquitos, and other insects very likely to have some one disease or another and the picture gets bleaker. To get 1200+ miles on foot after an EMP strike under the worst-case circumstances of this scenario would be nigh impossible. IMO.

      • Patriot Dave says:

        K. you make very good points. It occured to me that by time I get back “home” there probably will not be a home to go to. No wife and kids. My dogs would be dead If they were being boarded. My unprepared relatives would be dead or in fema camps. I doubt any of them would walk to my house to get my supplies. My house would have been looted and possibly even burned to the ground (or foreclosed if the bank still worked.) Some squatter may even move into my house. I may go back just because it’s mine, but perhaps not. I may be better off staying in the region, get out of the high population area and find a farm or ranch I can hire myself out to. I am thinking of the novel “Founders” on this last point. The convention hotel could be my new home while riots gone on or the food and water runs out.
        Other novels that include fictional accounts of making long treks home include “Getting Home” “Survivors” and “Lights Out” I stress fictional because all of them had good and bad points. For example, in Getting Home, NO ONE complained about bad feet – ever. In Survivors the horse was not as huge a target as Rider correctly points out.
        I do not think that the trek is impossible. After the initial wear and tear on the body, your body would adapt and toughen. It would require regular stops for a period for trapping, fishing and gathering. A study of other migrations would be helpful. Other than the Mormans, there are the wagon trains, the Bataan death march in WWII, Some Indians were nomadic and followed the herds. Then there are these ultra light backpackers who hike the various long trails all over our country. All of these groups were in good physical shape and had companions to support them. Solo would be tough.

        • Desert Fox says:

          Just because the emp occurred where you are, doesn’t mean it has occurred all over the US. Some places might still be electrified and you could make time towards home to find your family in good shape. Hopefully you left them prepared and knowledgeable of what to do in just such a disaster.

  24. Interesting says:

    I would head to the dollar store to procure all I needed to supplement what I had in my suitcase. Obtain a bicycle and head home.

  25. Sagewolf says:

    I would use the money to get what I would need. Water purifying tablets several bottles, a means to make fire , a knife, rope and tarp for shelter, food ,and backpack to carry it all.

    About a gun I would take it from some other person if I knew the person was a bad person only if I can do it without getting killed.

    I would head home, but 1200 miles is a long way if you have to travel at night and off the beaten path. Until I could upgrade by getting a gun I would be easy pickings traveling during the day.
    I would not force march home also I would just head in that direction and hope I can make it home.

    Like I said in a previous reply to someone else $300 would go really quickly and not buy as much as you would think. I think you would have to salvage stuff from where ever you can. I guess this would mean stealing, but only from places that have been abandoned. I would not take from someone that actually needs their stuff.
    What we should do is go into stores near where each of us live and see what we could actually get with $300 and what store would be best to go to first. I know it said you was not prepared, but you can always have a notebook with a list of what you would need and where it would be best to get it. With this list you would know roughly what $300 would get you also it will help keep you from forgeting what you would need. Besides you can always use paper to make a fire.

    If this day ever happens let’s pray that it does not happen during winter because it just make an impossible trip a death march.

    The more knowledge you have means some of the stuff you would need you can take from nature.making rope creating shelter, making fire with a bow and drill, getting water from certain plants and methods of collecting it. Also ALWAYS travel with a Nalgene bottle of some kind be it plastic or one of the metal ones. Just check to make sure you can take a metal one on a plane. Also you could go to a store and get some of the stuff you would need like a knife and a method of starting a fire low cost items that you could abandon if you got,on a plane to go home if SHTF did not happen on that particular trip.

    In closing if SHTF good luck and GOD speed getting home.

    As we preppers are usually concerned with future events, with the growing tension in Central Europe, (and the coming Civil War in the Ukraine) I’ve would like to suggest this.
    Putin’s #1 political advisor, and the man credited for Putin’s rise to power is a political operative named Alexander Dugin. Dugin/Putin sees Russia already at war with America. Dugin’s book can be found on

    I have found two websites filled with Dugin’s writings, where he openly advocates a complete takeover of Europe by Russia and the destruction of America.
    Remember Hitler wrote down everything he had planned and the World didn’t listen. In my humble opinion, this guy is WORSE THAN HITLER!

    If you wish to know what Russia is planning in the next few months/years for The West, Please-please-please, check out Alexander Dugin at: and

    Russia is on the move, be prepared for it.

    • Donna in MN says:

      Five European nations host 480 US nuclear weapons on their soil as part of a NATO. We have so many that congress tells those who ask, “Don’t ask”. Mutual Destruction. Since Europe doesn’t have big armies, they may resort to the bomb if invaded and the Ruskis know it. Kruchev said he would bury us too, but because of mutual destruction, he rattled his tongue instead to show how much he hated freedom. Lets just hope the worser madman like Dugin doesn’t get in power.

      • Rider of Rohan says:

        Just speculating here, but with the deterioration of conditions in Europe due to the Muslim problem, one wonders if some European countries would be glad for the Russians to take over. If I had to choose, I would choose Russia over Islam, that’s for sure. The world is shifting rapidly, I really didn’t realize how important the US was in maintaining a stable world. Previous to the globalists, that is.

    • Fear mongering is not helping anything. Why don’t you go talk to someone who is actually in the Ukraine or Russia before you post things like this? Oh wait you probably don’t speak Russian or Ukrainian. So you relly on the MSNBC to give you your talking points. Give me a break.

      • Tactical G-Ma says:

        I think I can speak for a majority of the pack when I say you are rude and disrespectful. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinions and beliefs.
        If you disagree with anyone, for any reason, we would love to hear your thoughts. We don’t want to hear the ugliness or condescending snarkiness.

        • As my posts are not being reported or deleted for the last few years I can only assume that you are incorrect and only speak for yourself. If you wish to skip my posts because you find them ugly or snarky then that is your right. I do not pretend to be a great author or master of prose so please forgive me if my musings are not up to the standards of the more elite posters.
          Also, since you asked so nicely, I will tell you what is bugging me about the whole situation in the Ukraine. As of last Friday life is proceeding as normal for most Ukrainians, there are some issues with the new government not allowing Russians who live in the Ukraine to work. They are also making it against the law to speak Russian. That is not only an issue that is in the Crimea but other parts of the Ukraine. Now that Crimea has had its vote other pockets of Russians may either have to move to Crimea after living for decades in the Ukraine with no issue before the new government took over or face expulsion from their homes. The real worry is that they will be rounded up since a large portion of these Russians are Orthodox or Jewish. Did I mention that the new government wants to outlaw those religions?
          Russia is not going to just roll over and give up its Black Sea port. A good analogy would be that a new government in Panama was kicking out Americans who lived their whole lives there and not allowing American shipping to use the Panama Canal. Do you think that America would let that stand?
          The Russians could have rolled into the Ukraine guns blazing weeks ago and could occupy the capital by now easily. There is no debate that they have the capacity and ability. But they haven’t. Same as they could have done in Georgia but didn’t. So is it really a Russian invasion if the people ask for protection?
          The same people who are watching odumbo dismantle this country from the inside out are clamoring for a stronger response to the Russians in the Ukraine. Why? Because of non-sense like the post that I responded too. It’s the same type of fear mongering and ignorance that we have based our foreign policy on for years. Only the Russians are not playing by our play book and now the idiots in DC are imposing sanctions on a country that still has a massive manufacturing base. The majority of their products are made domestically. And all that ammo for those AK’s imported to the US for the US public? Also from Russia. We won’t even go into what the EU is going to do without Russian gas come winter. Or what the US is going to do since Russia just dumped 100 billion dollars of US debt and will start trading in rubles instead of dollars.
          So my apologies to anyone who’s toes I’ve stepped on. I’m just tired of falling for the same old tricks out of DC and watching our country suffer for the benefit of the worlds banking moguls.

          • Tactical G-Ma says:

            We have family who was working in Russia just outside of Ukraine near Kiev when the president Yanukovich left Ukraine. It was their belief that the Ukraine government was totally corrupt. I also do not doubt the animosity between the Crimean and Russian people.
            I believe you made very informed statements about the situation.
            What I was referring to in my former entry was:
            You didn’t title your entry so I have no idea which remark you were bashing.
            I’m not very good at recalling all the details and often have difficulty supporting my arguments but you have a grasp on the info.
            I am just turned off by name calling and overt belittling of people. What you have to say is important and I believe if people like you and other informed people here are more patient with those of us who are confused, illiterate, biased, or just speak without thinking, we will benefit so much more from your entries. Just saying IMO.

            • Point taken Tac G,
              As I said, I apologize for any toes I stepped on. As you can tell the current situation may have more importance to me than others with real world ramifications for family.
              You’ll all also be happy to know that my book came in to the library today
              AUTHOR: Carnegie, Dale,
              TITLE: How to win friends and influence people

              • Tactical G-Ma says:

                It took that and 40mg of Prozac to get me where I am now. The only tact my DH knows is Attack! So I have lot’s of practice!

                Another way I look at it is Gene Pool Cleansing. You know certain folks are bound to be the first to go during tough times. Why spoil their delusion?

          • Cavtrooper,
            Well said. While I agree that some of your posts could be more tactful, the information in general is something folks need to know. When TDL started off by not installing the anti missle systems in Poland, believing that Russia would see our good intentions, he was only proving to Putin that he’s a clueless fool. I suspect that when he was growing up he gave his lunch money to the bully instead of fighting, and to this day is puzzled why the bully didn’t like him. There are those in the media that have started calling him The Resident of the White House, and hopefully his ignorance will not be the undoing of all of us.

            • Desert Fox says:

              OP, sometimes its not easy to use tact when speaking some truths. I go for sincerity myself. There are some that speak well, but with a forked tongue!

          • Cavtrooper,
            Thanks for your insight into the current situation in the Ukraine/Crimea region. I have heard that the newly installed government in Ukraine (that we are supporting) is very anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, so things may continue to spiral out of control to no good end. Would like to know if this is the way you see things as well.
            I was a little surprised at the way you responded to Ghosts’ post, as I thought his information was of a bigger picture relationship between U.S. and Russia, and your response was zeroed in on the Russia/Ukraine events. While I appreciated your response and information to Tactical G-Ma, I was scratching my head at your response to Ghost.

  27. I would head home as well. Getting a bike sounds like a good idea. I wouldn’t get everything right ways because you have to haul it. Just the basic supplies. I would “migrate” my way back home, buying/bartering on my way back.

    • Sagewolf says:

      A bike is a great idea you don’t need gas just food to eat. Also a bicycle is quieter then a gasoline powered mode of transportation. This will mean you are not advertising your location to any road bandits.

  28. I would definitely go home, but first, I would buy:

    $150 bike (Walmart, or even cheaper at Goodwill)
    $40 2 run-flat inner tubes (Walmart)
    $15 water filter (Walmart)
    $3 24-pack water bottles (Walmart)
    $10 1 pair used tennis shoes (Goodwill)
    $5 used hat (Goodwill)
    $7 machete (Walmart)
    $10 tarp (Walmart)
    $5 box trash bags (Walmart)
    $5 matches (Walmart)
    $5 5-gallon bucket (Walmart)
    $45 food (10 energy bars, 30 packages Ramen, 4 cans fruit and 4 cans veggies, 25-lb bag rice, 1-lb sugar ) (Walmart)

    I always travel with a knife, paracord, and tennis shoes. Most of my other needs, I’ll have to buy for, including an extra set of shoes. I’m not in a big hurry to get home; my dad can take care of the family until I can get home. I expect it would take about a month (40 miles/day).

    Note: I have been 1200 miles from home less than 10 times, and that was with my family. We wouldn’t have tried to get home, so this took some serious imagination for me.

    • Millie in KY says:

      Sorry, dang it, hit the report comment button. So far this is the best one but you’re gonna need a pot to cook that rice in as well as some bungee cords to affix the bucket with all the stuff in it to the bike.

      • Sagewolf says:

        That is why these discussions are nice it will help us not overlook stuff. It would be like getting all your gear but forgetting to get a bag of some kind to carry it in.

        • Sundance says:

          I guess no one has the brilliant idea of taking the trash bags mentioned, divided the stuff into them, tying the trash-bags together and throw across shoulder, handlebars….etc. no need to be fancy when ya gotta be cheap.

      • Yes, I would get a few hours into my trip, and wonder how I forgot one. 🙂

    • Good list Bob, but that is all assuming WM and Goodwil will be open for business. In our town during a power outage businesses close, no way to ring up your sale! And you know the clerks can’t make change w/o the cash register telling them what to give back.
      Other option is to loot whatever you can and use it to barter. In the first hour or two no one will think this is a big deal, maybe think it is local until day after day the power doesn’t come back.

      Like everyone else, I would want to get home, but for me I don’t think it would be an option. My best bet would be to get out of the city and hope to find a group of LMP to accept me for my skills. I’m a healthcare professional with ICU/ED experience. We have a small farm so I could give someone an honest days work in exchange for the corner of their barn.

      • Oh, I’m sorry,,, did I say ‘loot’. I ment scavenge,, scavenging items for barter!

      • I hadn’t remembered the registers were all electronic. Most places rely on their electronic inventory systems, and probably wouldn’t sell without them being online, but especially somewhere like Walmart wouldn’t.

        Good point.

        • Bob:

          I laugh at the comment about the registers. I just think of some of the clerks at Wal-Mart. If the register doesn’t tell them how much change to give you, they are lost.

          I love it when my bill come to something like $xxx.26 and I give them a penny. Talk about a “monkey doing a math problem” look. I even had one give me 4 dimes, a nickel, and a penny when my change was $.46! Using that quarter thing really threw her for a loop.

    • Those prices are probably realistic today but after SHTF,who knows what they will get for it.

  29. Assuming I dont have a ghb or anything else….

    I would buy a good sturdy pack. Next a complete change of clothes from hat to shoes. If it rained I would want something dry, and also so i could add layers if need be, or insulation from the ground. Add to that a poncho and a couple cheap mylar blankets.

    Next would be a small first aid kit, supplimented with a few extra bandages, iodine, baby powder, hydrocortisone, bug spray, and sun screen. Probably a couple more things I’m not thinking of needed here as well.

    Food and water would be much trickier, absolutely needed but bulkier, harder to carry and weighs a lot. So a way to filter water, probably a life straw or two or at least iodine tablets and coffee filters. Also a camping cup to boil water. I would want at least a couple of bottles of water to start and pray like crazy I can find more along the way.
    As for food. I guess some trail mix, candy bars and dried fruit. And start paying a lot of attention to what I can find along the way.

    A map and a compass, as I need to know where I am going.

    Being a girl, I need certain hygene products, so a package of those and a package of baby wipes. I would probably also get a small travel size thing of soap as well.

    With only 300 I am really doubtful that I would be able to get a gun and ammo, so I would get a decent knife. Its not much but better than nothing and can be used for many other things.

    A couple of lighters, a flashlight, and some ziplock bags, and a small travel size sewing kit. A roll of duct tape, and some paracord. And a small can opener.

    I am sure by now I have hit my limit in funds. If there were any left over, I would use it for adding more to the first aid kit, socks, and anything else I could think of.

    Along the way, I would probably see if I could find a cart or wagon so I could collect things as I found them.

    • Thinking about this some more, while I stick with my previous list of supplies, I think the most important thing would be making a plan of sorts.

      I know, personally, I could not walk that far constantly. Of course your body will start adjusting after a while, but I think having planned rest days would be important.

      As much as I would want to get home, and as quickly as possible, I wouldnt want to push so hard that if I made it home, I would be on deaths door anyways.

      Of course, even on rest days I would try to be busy. Taking time to make kindling to bring along, drying any fruit or herbs I found. Letting shoes and clothes air out to keep from getting bacterial or fungal infections. Mending anything that needs to be mended. Basically little stuff that needs to be done, and can let my body rest and recharge.

    • Sagewolf says:

      Don’t fear about not finding water bottles there everywhere. The only good thing about litter is the perfectly good bottles to hold water you find along the way. In fact when my Boy Scout was hiking we almost found a bottle for each of us if we had needed one in just a few miles. Just make sure they were not used to make drugs or had harsh chemicals in at one time.

      Since you are a woman you better learn to be a “ghost ” hide well and travel quietly for in a SHTF event if bad people catch you your done for.

      • Sagewolf, how right you are that water bottles are everywhere. I actually wrote that wrong and meant that I would pray like crazy I could find more water.

        Your right that because I am a woman, I am automatically considered prey (to be nice about a nasty subject). I would have to make myself as unnoticeable as possible. But honestly, I dont think that would be a trip I could make alone. With how far and how long it is, I would have to join up with groups of travelers. More eyes to look for food and danger. I have a very strong intuition, and I pray that would help me stay out of bad situations and pick the ‘right’ people to travel with.

        • Tactical G-Ma says:

          I would think making yourself undesirable would be a good deterent for many. S good wy would be to dumpster dive behind a restaurant, be sure to nasty up your hair. Along the road only wash the pits, crotch, and teeth. Be sure to stay smelly. If necessary, fecal matter on the clothes is good but be sure to spritz yourself periodically to keep the moisture in your camo pungent. And if discovered, talk like a schizophrenic.

  30. texmexmix says:

    I would head home on a bike. Note to self, carry some silver & other small items I can barter.

    • I’m thinking of spending part of that $300 on barter items too but I’m wondering if cigarrettes would be better than silver in this situation?

  31. Encourager says:

    Whew. I would be screwed. At my age and health, 1200 miles might as well be the moon. I would have to join a group locally, if I could, and make the best of it. I would take the money and buy a good portable water purifier, fire starter, sleeping bag and 2 tarps.

    We would probably be camping as we rarely travel by plane. Well, unless I was out in AZ checking on my Dad. If there, would be screwed. Surrounded by high desert, prone to forest fires. And my Dad would have nothing put by. He relies totally on Meals-On-Wheels and food from church friends.

  32. My fear of this scenario is second only to being trapped in a confined space, I.e. a MRI chamber when an earthquke knocks the hospital off grid. Whew, I shudder as I type… but here, I would start out walkin, hoping to find an abandonned vehicle, a wayward horse wandering somewhere along the way. Meanwhile I hope someone offers a better solution here…

  33. JP in MT says:

    Something else to consider in your travels. In a world where EMP takes out most everything with a motor, the silence will be deafening. If you found a working scooter or moped, it world be heard for miles. Simple talking would carry.

    One of the things I notice where I go camping is how quiet it gets. Since there is no cell service, there is no internet. No TV. The only AM station comes in is very weak. Keep thins in mind as you are planning you traveling.

    • Sagewolf says:

      You are correct. A few years ago I was hunting some public land that allowed hunting and I could have written down everything some people said 300 to 500 feet away and they were not yelling just talking to each other. If fact they were discussion the merits of going down a small hill on skis and weather they could get back up after going down. Like I said I was able to clearly understand everything they said which means I could have been probably 3 to 5 times farther away and still hear them a little. In a SHTF situation silence would be key to survival. Like the old saying says” loose lips sink ships”. Also their were snowmobiles out that day and I could hear them probably miles. By the way after the people on skies left I got down from the tree and went home no deer worth it’s hide was anywhere near where I was that day. I know for a fact I checked the area for tracks found None.

  34. country vet says:

    HOME! While I would not have my full GHB I would still have a high % of the contents in my carryon and others in my checked bags. I always travel in good tennis shoes (same ones I spend hours on my feet in) and always pack extra socks and small poncho, small first aid kit with various meds, my good jewelry ( gold and diamonds=$) as well as nuts and hard candy in my carryon just in case checked bags get lost. Much more could be scavenged from the hotel including hopefully a map. Find closest convenience store and buy more nuts, 2-2liter cokes (for the bottles), chocolate, matches, ziplock bags if available and a knife. I would immediately try to locate a stable and attempt to obtain a horse- would leave more than value of horse and tack in jewelry. Head out trying to avoid population centers & people in general and following water as much as possible. Traveling horseback would allow for foraging and allow me to travel terrain that would otherwise be very difficult to navigate. Also horses are very alert and would be likely to warn me of dangers ahead.
    Whenever I arrive somewhere I always try to immediately get a feel for the lay of the land.

    • SoCalPrepper says:

      I think the horse idea could work well for me too – if I could get either a good solid quarter horse or an arabian, they have good endurance. I’d probably want to see if I could get a second horse to carry water and supplies, or, even better, a mule. A desert crossing might be possible with the right supplies depending on distance.

      See, and people think all of that time riding isn’t practical!

      • DB Prepper says:

        The horse is a great idea but so few people know how to ride anymore. I am lucky my grandfather made me learn on his arabian. I have a ton of respect for cowboys now, it is not fun riding all day on horseback, even at a walk it gets uncomfortable after a couple hours. If your pace is anything above a canter your hurting in no time!

        • SoCalPrepper says:

          I have the opposite problem – slower than a canter makes me hurt! I do the jumpers, so we spend HOURS hanging out in our 2-pt / half seat. I’d rather gallop all day long! 6 hours was the longest day I ever had in a saddle, and that was on an endurance trained Arabian. He had the NICEST canter ever, and I was totally fine the next day. Unfortunately you can’t run horses that much for that long of a time, so I think the journey on horseback would be almost as long as on foot.

          But I’m weird 🙂 My workout regime includes a lot of spin classes, and I’m on the horse at least 2 hours on Saturday and Sunday every weekend, so I have a saddle-conditioned rear!

        • DB Prepper,
          My longest trek on horseback was in the late 60’s at Philmot Scout camp. I had sore spots on my butt, where I didn’t know I had spots. It would however, still be much faster than walking.

    • DB Prepper says:

      Damn, I will have to start doing that. I love not having to wait around for a checked bag on long business flights following long and boring business conferences or meetings.

      But, travelling so light won’t help me in a SHTF scenario…maybe I should be checking a smaller bag with some supplies and at the least it will include my trusty buck knife. Too bad we can’t get a CCW license in LA county ( thank you local gang members!), I’d love to have my beretta along for any and every trip.

  35. Pineslayer says:

    If I have flown from home I would still have my GHB as I always check one bag, so I have some gear. No matter the cost, always check a bag. Most times I have a handgun in there too, that depends on my destination and the laws there.

    I am heading home, no doubt about it. Use the money to get a bike, load up with as much food and water I can and get moving. If I have no gun, so be it, trying to buy one, 1200 miles from home, with no local ID and the clock ticking, might not be the best idea. $300 would not buy much during crunch time. If the opportunity availed itself, great, but don’t count on it.

  36. If I am 1,200 miles from home, there is a good chance I am closer to family than home. If I can get to family in under 100 miles or without backtracking, I would go there to wait out the worst of it.

    If not, pray and head for home on foot. I can easily do 20 miles or more on most days, so I can get there is about 60 days unless in extreme weather. I always travel with a Bible, rain poncho, Columbia fleece jacket, good sneakers, a beach towel, a fleece sleep bag (hotel linens make me itch), gluten free soup mixes, snacks (Celiac disease), bottled water, and a filter (yeah, I am a little paranoid)…no matter where I go.

    If I came in my car, then I have my GHB and I don’t need much. I would get a cart ($20 kind), more food and water, extra shoes and sox, and ammo if I have a gun available, a bb gun or slingshot if I don’t.

    If not, buy a cart, backpack, a head lamp, a warmer sleep bag if I expect cool weather, a tarp, cordage, multi-tool, knife, fire starting supplies, mess kit, can opener, trowel, hiking socks, extra shoes, sling shot or bb gun and ammo, trash bags, more food and water.

    • Sagewolf says:

      Opps my bad hit wrong button.

      I still say we all need to see what $300 would really buy. Everyone of use should go to many stores and see what kind would be best to go to first. Walmart or a camping store may give you the most options. Once you determine what the best store would be for getting all that you would need see what you could get there for $300. Do this exercise now not During a SHTF event.

      • I already own the items I have listed so, I know where to buy and I know that I could easily get them with the $300 at today’s prices.

        After EMP, prices might go up, and you might have to cut some of the items or trade any valuables you have for the remaining items.

        Also, if I am traveling with only $300, my personal SHTF has already happened. I don’t even leave the house with that little cash now.

        • Worst case scenario, I can start out with the items I always travel with, dump heels, business attire and other non essentials out of my suitcase, and push my suitcase home with what I have. Scrounging what I can from hotel and mom and pop shops as I head out of town.
          And maybe I add a tarp, headlamp,multi-tool, knife, can opener, mess kit, trowel, and fire striker to my travel list and check the bag.
          Not gonna lay down and die…I am a hockey mom. Lol.

  37. This is something that I have been thinking about lately. I have a high school reunion coming up in Sept. It is just under 800 miles from where I live at now. I have never flown not that I don’t want to, I have just never had the opportunity to. That has not stopped me from traveling though. I have been in 29 states and Canada.

    The card says that I am not prepared so I would try to get a bicycle and forage as much as possible. Of course food and water would be top priority. You can get a lot of free stuff at convention centers. What concerns me is that if my DH is with me that he would not be able to walk far so we would have to get a bike for him at the very least. LOL I just had a thought to see if we could both get wheelchairs. Talk about getting some muscles in these arms! Been talking to DH about getting him a wheelchair (nonelectric).
    In my younger days I use to do the March of Dimes 20 mile walkathons, those were for only 1 day. There is no way I could do that now. Just do as much as possible, rest and do it again and again until I get home. As I type this I am sitting here in pain from twisting a knee. I could not walk a mile right now.

    Everytime I go very far from home I am praying when I leave and every day that I am gone and thank God when I get back!

  38. i would find an old car in a lot, 1973 or older, wire it, and leave.
    A lot on edge of metro area.

  39. Survivor says:

    For three hundred bucks I’d go into the first Wally Mart I could find and purchase an air rifle and a 500 pack of pellets. I’d grab all the water containers and iodine I could afford.
    There won’t be much trapping or snaring on the way unless, like one poster indicated, you take a rest day every three or 4 days. I’d live off squirrels, rabbits, coons…that sort of thing.
    Some things I always keep with me…pocket knife, Bic lighter, 550 cord, flashlight (with red lense), jacket, salt and a 1/2 gal water bottle.

  40. One thing no one is thinking about. If there is an EMP you can forget about going to a Walmart or similar stores as they will be closed. No power means cash registers do not work. Of course we would see massive looting and I think that would be on the first day in a large city. Do you want to risk getting killed trying to get some supplies? Or maybe try to get to a smaller town asap and see what you can get there.

    These days when I go very far I try to carry as much stuff as I can; ie sewing kit, mylar blanket, poncho, etc… From now on my carry bag will be a backpack! I have family in many different states, so if I was close to one of them I would probably seek them out. I could probably get some supplies from them to get home with and I am thinking bicycle or even a horse.

    • Sagewolf says:

      Here is the thing the looters are probably going for the TV DVD players or game stations and food,but many will overlook the survival stuff until much later. Basically if they go left you go right to the important stuff. Haha you then have the last laugh.

    • Tactical G-Ma says:

      Brenda you are so right. Walmart will not be open.

    • SoCalPrepper says:

      Many places will stay open and take cash only when the power is out. The power was out for 3 days here in the valley area of Los Angeles a few years ago, and everyone was still happily taking cash. I’ll bet you could even convince them to take a personal check, if you caught them early enough.

    • Brenda,
      I had the same thought about where to spend that cash, with no working registers. With UPC codes there are no longer even price tags on the items.
      As for looting, I don’t see that starting for a few days. We have power outages all of the time in this country and no riots or looting; however, after a few days to a week, it will finally become obvious that things may not be coming back, and then the fun begins.

      • One big difference though is that the cell phones will no longer be working. It isn’t just the power being out; no cars, no phones, and no computers, I think that will cause people to panic quicker because they will not know what is going on.

  41. If we were 1200 miles from home the plane would be half way between Honolulu and California, so after the plane nosed in we would peel down and start swimming. The current would help and we should make it home in a few months.

    • Sagewolf says:

      In your case just stay put or find a better location. You don’t want to sleep with the fishes or be eaten by Jaws.

    • ……… half way between Honolulu and California
      Hmmmmm, time to sit down and watch all the episodes of Gilligans Island you can and you’ll be all

  42. Mary in GA says:

    I pretty much don’t go more than 150 miles from home. I used to travel to conventions all over the US several times a year, no more for me. I did go about 9 hours away a few years ago as a chaperone on a school trip, because no way was my 8th grader going without me. With the possibility of an EMP on my mind, I carried a fair amount of pre-1965 silver, in addition to more cash than normal. Prior to going I also printed (from MapQuest) the walking directions from that destination home, and also from MapQuest, directions from the Urban area we were staying it to the nearest agricultural areas. My plan had been to grab my child and slip off and hope to get to the agricultural area. Then I was going to beg, plead and try anyway possible for someone with an old crop duster to fly us as close to home as possible. I know this is not in line with the question, which is 1200 miles and $300.00, but I guess this is the best I could answer.

    • Teresa Farrow says:

      We too discussed bartering/begging people to get us even a mile or two closer.
      We are planning our homestead for two families with no reason for us to travel. We are trying very hard to locate the land less than 500 miles from the two families that insist upon staying in the suburbs.

    • CountryVet says:

      I am SOO glad that I am not the only one that prints maps before I go somewhere. It seems very logical go me, but I get laughed at for it. When we went to Puerta Valarta this past fall I had multiple routs back home mapped out.

      • I do that too, mostly because I have no and I mean no sense of direction.

      • Mary in GA says:

        Well we can just be the butt of the jokes! I don’t mind being laughed at, I have printed lots of walking maps, if I’m going even 40 miles away and don’t know the area well, I’m printing a map before I leave!

  43. DB Prepper says:

    This is one of my biggest fears while traveling for work (suit and tie business travel, ugh). You can’t even carry a pocket knife on planes anymore and I never check bags so I would be pretty screwed from a “getting home” standpoint. I would have to think everyone would be scared but not frantic in the first few hours after an EMP, but once people realized there would be no power, no food being trucked in, etc there would be crazy widespread panic I believe.

    First I would try and find a weapon, I think I can safely assume I won’t have one on me. Next is to survey the situation, has society completely crumbled after the EMP? Are local politicians attempting to keep peace and order by enforcing martial law or curfew restrictions?

    Once I have procured a weapon then the next focus is a bit of food I can travel with. Then we need a bicycle, preferably a mountain bike and we’re off for home. The backup choice would be find a horse, but that isn’t something you can bank on if you’re in New York for a conference…and I know how to stay on a horse effectively but I wouldn’t say that I can “ride” comfortably.

    • Unfortunatly with a horse their are two wills deciding your fate. I have owned and rode horses before and unstable is a good definition of behavior at times. My other fear is a bike is simple, unnoticed, a horse can be noisy also looked at as food. 1200 miles is a darn long ways 3-5 weeks even with a horse alot of people starving by then. your riding a steak dinner by then!

  44. I don’t go anywhere without my BOB, so with that $300, I’d buy extra ammo and some protein and calorie rich foods before the shelves are empty. If all modes of transportation are down, it would take quite a while to walk or ride a bike 1200 miles back home. I imagine my house would be looted before I made it back home. However…I would still attempt to get back home, and hope caches haven’t been discovered.
    That extra ammo would come in handy if anybody were still in my house, using my preps.

  45. Teresa Farrow says:

    This question came up a few weeks ago in our playing; this took us longer than usual.
    First off we do not know if the power is out everywhere.
    That said, we would have a family plan, route mapped out before hand. IF safe, we thought a family member might set out as far as possible to meet the one stranded. If not safe, we stay put.

    The one stranded would buy protein bars and aseptic boxes of water due to small size. He use a bike until the tires fell off etc.

    Though we countered all of our options, we decided we should never leave home without plans for meeting, staying safe, etc.

    • Sounds great but if you are 1200 miles apart where you gonna meet? if they go 60 miles they put themselves in danger and what good is saving you 60 in 1200? the rest should stay put defend what you have so there is something to come home too.

  46. Donna in MN says:

    I changed my original reply with investigating about emps –I’ll cash in the other way back from my fight ticket, I would have more cash for food and gas. Then I would just rent a car or get a ride from someone heading the direction towards my home. I’ll find gas with several options I used before.

  47. No matter what I’m going home to my family. I’ve always wondered about the preppers who are complete loners and determined to survive. What’s the point. I would already have walking shoes and several pairs of socks, so I would grab those and put on my most durable and functional clothes & pack a spare set of clothes, my toothbrush and toothpaste. I would buy a cheap backpack, as much bottled water as is reasonable (weight wise), a bottle or two to hold water (metal), a small metal pan (cooking, boiling water, etc), water tablets or the straw for purifying, several boxes of protein bars & bags of jerky, bag or two of dried fruit, a knife (if I don’t have one), baby wipes, some sort of wrap/poncho/blanket to use for bedding and extra warmth and an wild edible plants book with good pictures if I can find a bookstore, lighter pack, and a flashlight with extra batteries. I could probably find a map pretty cheap or free and I might add a compass, but I don’t think that will be too vital, unless I go into a forest. Oh and a roll of duct tape and a rope, you never know and they don’t weigh much.

    There really isn’t enough money for a decent gun and how much you can get for your money depends on how quickly people realize that this isn’t a normal outage. Plus at the point where I am in a gunfight I’ve probably already lost. I would look for something to use as a walking stick and I would aim to look as harmless and vagrant as possible, to be invisible. Anything that looks high end or like “real” gear will make you a target as people realize what is up. I might not like it, but I could get by on very little food (I eat very little food daily right now, so that wouldn’t be too bad, but my energy expenditure would be higher), so the water on hand and ability to collect and purify water, without adding bulk and weight is far more important. I would try to find or catch food each day and only use my stores to keep my energy up if I fail to get food. I would also try to hole up for the heat of the day and walk as long as I could see well enough. This is an instance where I would avoid people if possible.

    • hvaczach says:

      You will need at least 4500 calories to keep up an active march a day, of which almost half should be protein. But I agree blend in better yet avoid people if you can. Calories count on this hike you can keep up for a while but if your body starts to eat itself your in trouble.

    • mindful patriot says:

      Sometimes I am such a doorknob. My toothbrush. Adding one with paste in the handle to my bag. Thank you for reminding me! While I’m at it, I might as well throw in a pack or two of instant coffee. Not great, but in this situation, I will need a moral boost.

      One thing I just thought of…it may be to our advantage to appear to be a member of the opposite sex…if possible.

      If an EMP strikes and any preppers out there are 1200 miles from home, you are welcome at my house. We need to have a sign of some sort to distinguish safe houses. Perhaps a network of safe houses for an event such as this. Maybe a wolf sign…

  48. Tactical G-Ma says:

    I’ve been thinking about this a bit.
    On day one of the EMP, all the folks at the convention are going to congregate and someone from the group or hotel will have made contact with LE crowd control or FD or local EMA who will have some info from radios that are protected…I know there are hams who have equip in faraday cages just for something like that. It may be days 2 or 3 before formal confirmation. But day one I will know nothing is moving and hopefully join together with folks from my district whom I already know at least to speak to.
    If we are all going to the same general area we will be wise to consider pooling resources. Water should be available at the hotel. Maybe food to. We have our luggage which is on rollers. If we purchase anything it would need to be power bars, jello mix, dehydrated fruit, and socks. Shoes for those who don’t have them. Bedrolls and plastic bags we can take from the hotel. Knives too. If we decide to stay and hold the hotel we have 48 hours tops to get everything we can and hunker down. If I decide to try to get home at that time it will only be in a group and only on foot. After day 3, people will begin to panic. Gangs will start to form. If you have any mode of transportation, you will become a target.
    Just think of the olde west settlers. They walked and starved and got sick and died. All while trying to not get killed by a few hundred natives. Now we’re are talking about millions of scared, starving, sick people.
    Since EMP is not a global event, our allies will provide some relief gradually. Within 3 months there will be some movement throughout the country. It might even take 6 months for some form of transport to develop.
    People are enterprising and progress will happen.
    I say hunker down and wait it out but do so in a gang who pool their resources, make a plan, and work together to survive.

    • hvaczach says:

      I cannot disagree with a single point, however 4/5 ths of my life are 1200 miles away and while I live in a small close-knit community I am needed, not only by family but also the community. I will be traveling back, or die trying. My guess is 70 percent will assume everything will be back to normal in a few days so I will take advantage of those few days and seperate myself from the human masses!

      • Tactical G-Ma says:

        I am in my “golden” years and 1200 miles is more than a short jog. If you could make your trek in a week I believe your odds would be greatly improved.
        For me, attempting a hike like that alone would be fatal and in a group would be iffy. Of course, since we have to make so many assumptions because so little information is provided with this scenario, these are just mental exercises to prepare us how to evaluate real situations.

  49. Love Conflicted Tuesdays! Great insights everyone.

  50. Does anyone know if the power goes out (an EMP) can you get back into a hotel room that locks with an electronic key? (If you can’t, and you are out of the room when it hits, you’re stuck with what you have on you – high heels, business suit, no coat)
    Second question – if on travel in Florida and needing to get North, would it be safer to go up the Appalachian Trail or up I95? I’m thinking the AT…

    • Oh, and when power goes out, it seems everyone stands around trying to figure out how long the event is going to last, which would be a big waste of time. The faster you determine it’s an EMP the better.

    • SoCalPrepper says:

      I found this out on a recent trip! If it is just a power outage – yes. They have a battery backup. EMP – likely no, because the card reader would be fried.

    • CountryVet says:

      While the locks would be fried, the hotel “handyman” can get back into the room. I had a lock “break” once while I was on a trip, they had to take the lock completely apart to get me back inisde and then move me to another room. BE the FIRST to demand to get back into your room, I am sure when you say “that there are meds in there that I must take by a certain time (say within 30 min of whatever time it is) or I will have a grandmal seizure. ” they will get you in pretty fast. Everyone HATES seziues- scares bystanders to death. If they stall, tell them that you stand in the front lobby and have your seizure there so everyone can see.
      I did not have to feign illness that time because I was on a very tight schedule and the hotel was well aware of my schedule that day and I was the ONLY one locked ot of my room. I was in my room in 30 minutes.

    • riverrider says:

      a.t., the sheep are lazy and i95 will be gridlocked sheeple.

      • Maybe a boat would be a better option – a sailboat. I know how to use that, nav with charts.

        • Tomthetinker says:

          Jeanne .. I used to run a Cal25 out of Ali Wai, Oahu. DW and I have done the AT from Virginia to Ashville NC. In the winter … no hope on the AT. On the boat .. with charts and some way to distill H20 .. stay out of the inter-coastal .. DW and I will take a watch and our turns watching the trolling lines. We gotta find a ‘Smoky Joe’ and some charcoal before we head out cause I hate Susi. Your Idea would make a good book or even a summer movie.

  51. Backwoods Prepper says:

    This question really hits home. I travel to Houston Texas often. I drive tractor trailer. It is 1160 miles from southern WV. I have a GHB that has almost everything you could possibly need. (That’s a great idea for a post MD ask everyone that wants to list everything in their GHB). I have a Mountian bike strapped to the rear of my tractor cab/sleeper. I don’t ride it as much as I used to but in this situation it would be handy. As for the three hundred dollars, I would probably stop at a mom and pop shop and buy as much jerky pain reliever and candy bars/energy bars to keep my energy level high long as possible. I would be expecting a scenario like Going home by A. American.

    • Desert Fox says:

      What’s a GHB? House Boat? Some of us don’t know all the abbreviations that people use here…so please explain first. Thanks!

  52. snakehawk says:

    Get every thing thats need to survive, head out and leave the rest in Christs hands.and I’d make.

  53. Tactical G-Ma says:

    Another thought came to mind. If an EMP is released over North America, what comes next? Invasion? I don’t know if I would want to be out in the elements if war breaks out.
    1200 miles is like New York City to Fort Lauderdale or Seattle to Rapid City. Huge difference in the terrain. What if you have to cross desert in the middle of summer or the Rockies in the dead of winter?

    • Tomthetinker says:

      Toledo, Ohio to Fort Myers Beach Florida is 1282 miles ala Interstate 75 .. or 7 and 3/16th in. on my Atlas page. 9″ (1200 miles) puts me on the North coast of Cuba.. Medicine Hat, Alberta.. Lewis & Clark N.F. Montana.. Kemmerer, Wyoming.. Canyon Lands, Utah.. Socorro, N.M.. McAllen, Texas. Challenge .. ‘Tinker’ .. answer .. ‘Tac G-Ma’ .. visaversa

  54. Michael G Marriam says:

    Pardon me if this has already been posted but a lot of people are going to buy water filters, ammo and such: where? Most business meetings are near an airport or in a city center and unless you are really lucky I don’t see you finding too many places to get supplies nearby.

  55. riverrider says:

    well, A) i never go anywhere without a plan and my ghb. b) when i go farther its by truck, which is loaded w/ enough to get me back. c) 1200 miles of food would be tough to tote, so i’d run down to the backpack store(or most wally marts) and grab all the fd meals in stock and a gym bag to carry them. d)since i have the rest with me, i haul a$$ home. figure on 3 months plus or minus……F) we might be about to find out, for real.

    • Tactical G-Ma says:

      Wasn’t there a line from Heartbreak Ridge that the Gunny didn’t take a s–t without a plan? That’s the most important prep!

      • axelsteve says:

        I think many people will take an unplanned s_t after an emp.

      • riverrider says:

        great minds think alike. i stole the gunny’s motto too. improvise,adapt,overcome. oh and, “i come in peace, but i have a plan to kill everybody in sight.”

        • RR,
          My favorite quote. I taught it to my son when he became a first class scout. The version I heard was, ‘be polite and professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet’.
          Words to live by.

          • riverrider says:

            yeah i kinda merged two quotes. “i come in peace, but i brought artillery.” and yours.

  56. mom of three says:

    We travel about 865 miles, into California. If it were my husband, I know he would stay he has family and friends. I would try to get to my parents, VW Bus, groovy ride down and stay with them. This is a good topic I’m thinking of staying home at spring break, and him going he has a moter to pick up in California. Me thinks we need to think this trip over. GREAT QUESTION! I don’t think EMP will effect the 1970’s cars, or older if you had to go a short way I would drive.

  57. hvaczach says:

    I have not parussed all the replies yet so hope I am not repeating someone’s thoughts but here it goes: 0-90 seconds HOLY CRAP ITS AN EMP AND I AM 1200 MILES FROM HOME! 90 sec to 30 minutes find closest Walmart, grab largest back packing pack they have, grab as much foil envolop spam, tuna etc i can, grab nuts and dried fruit, beef jerky, and empty water vessals and purification tablets, see what the most readily available ammo is, ask for the ammo case to be opened find a rifle that shoots said ammo, spare boots, several pairs of socks clean undies and new jeans. The best rain gear they have and several bic lighters. A bike, and as many packs as it can carry. I know 300 bucks will not come close but if it is an EMP they can’t call the cops! and I am not raiding a prepper or anything else less moral than staying alive! On the way out explain to guy at gun counter and the checkers they should FILL BAGS GRAB GUNS AND GO HOME! Then haul ass outta town. If I know it is an EMP then society and it’s rules no longer apply, I may give the kid at the gunb counter the 300 dollars of worthless paper if it makes any difference.

    • Desert Fox says:

      How would you know at first (90 sec) if it’s an emp? It would take a lot of minutes at least for you to look onto the street and see that vehicles aren’t moving…that would be a positive sign…and more that 30 minutes for you to walk to a Wall Mart even if you knew where one was. The chaos at the store (darkness) would not let you to do the purchases you’re planning without incidents and by prematurely (of your purchases) alerting anyone would only cause panic.
      …Just saying…

      • hvaczach says:

        Point’s are valid my mistake is assuming it was a day time strike, thus the sky-lights providing at least some light in the store, I am one of those who alway’s doesn’t pack enough underwear or forgets the tooth brush so likely will know where a wally-world is by proxy ( my hurried packing is my curse unless I do it on purpose wiothout knowing myself). I always wear a wrist watch and always have my phone on me so if both died in there tracks and a complete lack of traffic it is a strong hint something is up.

        • I always carry at least one flashlight, because a total lights out like this scenario would be a situation where you really need one. They are also often more handy in normal situations than one might think.

  58. I love the way people hedge their answers with assumptions that are clearly outside the information on the card. The scenario is laid out, no communication, no transportation, no banking, and the two questions asked are, will you stay or head for home? And what would you buy with your $300?
    My only assumption is that I am dressed for what ever the weather is at the time.
    My first answer. I am getting out of what ever town or city I am in when the EMP event happens. However, I would head to family. I have kids in Colorado and Illinois and 2 bothers in Tennessee. I live in Houston so my kids will be half way home. I also have no reason to think I could ever make it all the way back to Houston. I’ll try when things settle down but first I will go to kids.

    For the 2nd question… I would address my purchases this way. Food, water, shelter, and defense.
    I figure if I need another shirt or pants I will find them on the way so I’d take all the socks and shorts I had with me on the trip and
    pilfer the hotel room for blanket, plastic bags, toiletries, food out of vending machines, and a pillow case to carry it in, I will get out of city as quick as possible. First stop is the first quickie mart I find. Ha Pu will be open and taking cash. Shopping list will be lots of Jerky, peanut butter, trail mix, and 4 Bic lighters, Two 1 liter bottles of soda. Bottles to be used later for water. If Ha Pu has them, 2 knives. One Buck and the other pocket. If at all possible, at the next quickie mart I find, I would repeat this except for the bottles, knives, and lighters.
    IF I come across a wally world, academy, or other like stores, I would try to get a cook set, an air rifle or pistol, pellets, rice and or beans. A poncho, cordage, a hatchet, and a large backpack.
    If I find a shopping cart or bicycle unattended it will be seen as a gift of fate and confiscated.
    I would find a long walking stick and sharpen one end for a spear.

    As I said earlier, I don’t think I would actually ever make it home. But I would feel good inside knowing that I left behind all that I could for JoJo, my beautiful bride.

    • Forgot about the air rifle nice quite squirrel and bunny killer, for a long walk home.

  59. Tomthetinker says:

    I read over the ‘card’. Measured off the 1200 miles on my Atlas. I’m someplace ‘IN’ the continental divide. I don’t care how much of my EDC, GHB, guns and ammo I decided to ‘check through’ with the TSA. As a newly minted ‘REFUGEE’, I am not welcome anyplace but home. I cannot do anything about what may be happening at home. The Card states that ‘we’ are now back in the say….. early 1700s. First, get out of the Dodge I find myself in as well as I can… why not .. just as soon as I empty every mini-bar in the hotel of any food item and a fair portion of the ‘shots’ or what I know I can carry and eat at the same time. Make the best bedroll I can out of the whats in the hotel. Get to the kitchen and see what kind of edged equipment is available as a ‘Machete’ / word / spear head .. and protein .. foul weather gear / jumbo trash bags / doorman’s rain gear .. find a few of the best large laundry sacks I can and put together a expedient back pack. The rest … yeah right. I’m taking what I brought and what I can find at the hotel and … off.

    Do I have any reason the think I’ll make it out of the Rockies .. Cascades .. Sandia de Cristos .. the Saw Tooth .. across the great planes .. or the SouthWest .. the Dakotas .. and to the Mississppi .. not a question really. Say I make it across the big muddy and how many major and minor and small population concentrations .. Gadzook .. I’m half way home! give er take a few hundred miles. How many choke points have I had to make it through .. Missouri River .. the Ohio .. the Maumee .. back across the Detriot River or .. Lake Erie .. Canada EHhh .. Now Gringos and Gringettes I am trying to put a humorous twist on this trek but …

    Is it ‘Hollywood’ or just ‘hope’ that makes this getting home thing … real? I love my family. I know what they may try in this situation and if they were to succeed .. that is what I would ‘hope’ for. I figure to be lucky to make 8 miles a day on foot while trying not to become part of the die off this ‘card’ portends. If I’m lucky .. stealthy.. and my extra set of boots holds out … 5 months minimum. All this assumes a lot. I do assume that should I run into any of youz guys that … Well we should work up some sort o hand signal before to much longer ….. don’t ya think?

  60. Tomthetinker says:

    Hey Tac-Momma … Didn’t the Gunny also give us the “Cluster F – – K” This ‘Cards’ situation is what life will become, good luck or good preps.

  61. Hunker-Down says:

    On the business trips I made (years ago) when I walked out the front door of the hotel I was lost. It happened in every city, on every trip. I had no idea how far the airport was from the hotel.
    I would have no clue as to where to find a Walmart or place to buy a bike or gun or lifestraw. It would take me10 minutes to figure out which way North is; probably a lot of hi-rise buildings in the way when trying to find the sun. If it was dark, then what?

    I have an idea from other posters that I would need to get an atlas, one page per state. Before leaving home I would need to print out several preplanned MapQuest walking maps, avoiding big cities and major highways. I would need to bring along a pound of junk silver.

    As soon as I found out which direction home is in, I would start walking in that direction. If I found a store to buy travel safe food, shoes, gun, Lifestraw, or water I would stop. But I would not waste time looking for those stores as I tried to walk out into open country as I consider getting out of any area where gangs will be forming is imperative.
    On the way, if I found an abandoned bicycle, or horse at an abandoned farm I would incorporate it into the journey.

    I think it would be a minimum of 6 months to get home but if mountains or desert were in the way, maybe double that estimate, and maybe double the distance trying to skirt them.
    I would expect to wear out whatever footwear I had in 3-4 weeks. I would expect to stop every day for food scavenging for me and the horse or the bike tires to go flat. I would expect to face problems of disease in various locations and have no way of identifying it.
    I would hope to join with others traveling in the direction I needed to go, and expect each one of them to have the same problems.

    • You make it sound hopeless, but you are not wrong. We flock to movies to watch someone struggle against impossible odds (life of pi) but the truth is EMP makes it impossible odds for us all. The survivors are determined, preparred, tough, but above all lucky. No matter how big a badass you are a simple cold can kill you (see Napolian Bonaparte) so post EMP world is scary.

    • Tomthetinker says:

      I expect you are absolutely correct Hunker … If we run into each other you challenge word is Tinker .. counter is Hunker .. visaversa.

  62. Rider of Rohan says:

    After reading through the comments I thought about a couple of things. I’m from Texas, we have lots of horses here, maybe more than any other state. Bottom line, if you tried to steal someone’s horse here, you’re a dead man/woman. I don’t know a single horse owner, and I know a lot, who doesn’t think about as much of their horse as they do their children. They are highly unlikely to sell their horse during good times, much less when the value of a horse would go up 10-fold after an EMP strike. There is a reason a horse thief was hung in Texas not that many years ago.

    Now, if you did somehow find a horse, you would be sitting on a gold mine. To think a single person could ride a horse any distance, much less 1200 miles, after an EMP event as described is just not rational. The horse will make you a target of every looter/pillager/scavenger between you and home. Horses make noise, horses leave fresh evidence of their presence, horses eat a lot, and require a lot of browse if they aren’t fed high-energy feed. And a horse will be a dinner bell to hungry and starving people(remember last week, you will do anything to survive, others will as well, so your horse is salvation to the hungry).

    You are more likely to walk the 1200+ miles than ride. Same with a bicycle. Riding a bike down a road will make you a target. Again, a bike would be invaluable after an EMP. To think you could ride it across the country is not rational. It will be sought after by all. And unlike a horse, a bike could not be ridden cross country, so you would no choice but to stick to a road of some kind.

    In other words, there is only one way to make it, and that would be on foot. There are obviously a few resourceful people in this country who can live off the land, are familiar with the edible plants of the entire country, and not just locally, have craft and primitive weapons skillsets, possess knowledge of herbal medicine and remedies, etc. But they are few and far between, maybe one in a million. The best bet for 99.9% of people is to get out of the city and try to throw in with someone, anyone, as quickly as possible, and come to the realization that you aren’t going to make it home. Unless and until things get somewhat back to normal.

    • riverrider says:

      ror, i was surprised by the negativity on this post. settlers went 3000 miles routinely in the old days. until 1940 there was no road that traversed the u.s., yet people managed to get back n forth. before technology man got around quite well, just slowly. i don’t think in the time it takes me to get out of the built up areas people will go all zombie on me. with minor gear and knowledge i like my chances of making it. heck, beatniks and dropouts make it up the app every year. with a little prior training it should be little problem.

      • Rider of Rohan says:

        Riverrider, this is one thing I’ve thought about quite a bit, and the major reason I don’t travel long distances any more. I feel confident I can make it home within a 200 mile radius with what I have in my GHB, the additional supplies I always carry on trips(2 large buckets of MH food), and the 1st Aid Kit and medicine I store in my vehicle.

        But when I got to thinking about 1200+ miles, with only $300 to buy supplies, no weapon, and no sure transportation other than my feet, I just couldn’t think of how I could do it. When the settlers left they had horses, a covered wagon full of supplies, traveled with LMI who also had ample supplies, and were heavily armed. There were also stops along the wagon-train routes with additional supplies available.

        And I realize some hike the AT every year, but a couple of things. They don’t live off the land, help is only a phone call or so away, and they don’t face hostiles after a SHTF scenario. Now, I was thinking worse case, not best case, and some of my thoughts would be mitigated depending on how the country responded. That is the key. Unfortunately, I’m afraid the worst will come out in the FSA, and ruin any chance of recovery for the rest of us.

        • riverrider says:

          true. it won’t easy or a sure thing, but lewis n clark did it with muskets, n injuns. and like i said, if hippies can thru hike the a.t. i think i can even w/out modern resupply. the fsa are too lazy to venture out into the woods and frankly they are scared shitless of it, lol. my worry is the other “survivalist” w/ a gun n not much else. i also worry my family won’t last long enough for me to get there.

          • Rider of Rohan says:

            “my worry is the other “survivalist” w/ a gun n not much else.”

            Yep, that’s my main worry too, riverrider, especially after what I read here a couple of weeks ago on Conflicted Tuesday. A large number of prepper’s plans are taking other’s preps by force. A horse or bicycle would be a gift most of them wouldn’t turn down.

            • riverrider says:

              roger that. a horse is great as long as you have the support system to go along w/ it. the injuns didn’t, but they just rode em into the ground then ate em. most everybody else had to go to town eventually for horse shoes etc to keep them working. average age of a horse back then was a year or two. guy on a bike, easy money.

  63. I was thinking about this all day yesterday. Yesterday, I played by the card, I was alone and my family was 1200 miles away. Yes I would do everything in my power to get to my kids- never underestimate a determined mother.
    But the reason this stuck with me is that I have a family gathering coming up in November, in Minnesota(about 100 miles lesz than this scenerio). My kids and dogs will be with me, but I am unsure if my dh will be able to get the time off work.
    If this were to happen while there, my answer is completely different. I would NOT try to travel that far with my kids. Even though my dogs are being cart trained and can haul all my kids, that is just entirely too far for me to even contemplate taking them. I would definitely stay put. But then the question becomes would my dh try to get to us. Knowing him, the answer would be yes. But the probability of him making it that far in winter…..
    This discussion really got me to thinking of what I will take with me when I go. Of course all the usual stuff I keep in my car, and since I am heading into snow country, the extras to deal with that. I also already promised to bring things for the general food supply while our heard has gathered together, in which I will probably add quite a bit for security sake.

    But do I go with the thought that I may never see home again? Do I take my seeds and tinctures, herbs and essential oils? Do I take the first aid kit I have built or leave that for the dh? How much extra clothes do I take? What about all the preps I have put together for my family? I know what to do if we’re driving and get stuck in a snowstorm or such, been there, done that, but with this scenerio in mind… ugh! I hate traveling so far from home and wouldnt except that we are gathering for my grandma.

  64. LOL you guys are awesome.

  65. Patriot Dave says:

    1200 miles is driving distance for me. I would not have flown.
    I would try to find others who live in my region who would like to travel as a group. At least part way. We could share the burden of carrying stuff.
    However, If you are without your vehicle full of stuff, your GHB or other supplies, and starting from stratch; I think you can get a lot of stuff cheap or even free. Before you start spending the $300.00

    HOTEL: Scavenging the hotel is a given. The employees will abandon the place and go home to families. I would not stay long, because, I think that hotel/airport/other refugees will be the first to be rounded up for fema camps. Hotels are difficult to defend from looters. But you do have strength in numbers and could put up barricades. But, I would stay long enough to help eat the food going bad in the freezer.

    Your Room: You can make a backpack out of a pillow case with some cordage, small soaps and stuff, towels, washcloths. Take the blanket and comforter or bed spread if possible. Use the shower curtain as a tarp or ground cloth. Use the shower curtain rings for cheap carabineers, TP, cut off electric cords and phone cord for more cordage, Gideon Bible, coffee pot if you can’t find a metal one, Drapes? They are heavy but heavy duty and very well insulated. They could be good for a winter tent, curtain rod for tent pole or walking stick, batteries out of remote and smoke alarm if available. Now, what can you do with those stupid coat hangers that don’t have hooks?

    Kitchen and Banquet: Lots of knives, Butcher knives, silverware, butter knife to sharpen, can goods (mostly #10 and heavy, but I would still take some, make one into a hobo stove), can opener!, some perishable foods, fruit, cooking oil, spices, sugar, coffee filters, coffee, plastic baggies, aluminum foil, sternos, butane torch they use for burning food at tables, matches, lighters, a cook pot, water bottles, soda bottles, black large trashbags,

    Bar: bottle of vodka for wounds, another for barter, Scotch for me, Bar tools.

    Maintenance: duct tape, superglue, electrical tape, flashlight, batteries, rope, hammer, 2 wheel hand truck, and hand tools and who knows what. Even a scrounged piece of metal or plastic could be sharpened.

    Landscaping: possibly a hatchet, pruners, other hand tools?, blade off a mower, garden cart or even a broadcast spreader, just break off the spinner to carry stuff.

    Lost and found: anything useful.

    Front office & admin offices: scissors, letter opener, arm off the paper cutter, pepto, first aid kit, oversized stapler for fixing things. Pens, pencils, markers and notebooks for taking notes, starting fires, Paperclips, binder clips, tacks, utility blades, Magnifying glass, scotch tape, masking tape.

    Laundry and housekeeping: dryer lint, vaseline, clorox, Tear sheets for bandages, more TP.

    Pool: shock. Dip net? More towels, Rope dividing deep end from shallow,

    Hallways and elsewhere: Do building still have fire axes next to the fire hoses anymore? throw rug for insulated ground pad. The housekeeping carts and bell hop carts are too clumsy for road travel, much less for cross country.

    This is probably more than you can carry, and you have not even gone shopping yet. You need a group.

    THRIFT STORES: Thrift stores, like pawn shops, vary in inventory. But they will have winter clothes, shoes, wide brim hat, boots, pots, back packs, dufflebags, books to read, baseball bats, sometimes hand tools, flashlights, hard hat.

  66. Going with the imformation given on the situation I would empty all my dead electronics from my computer bag which also doubles as an EDC bag. From the hotel room I would take the fleece blanket and TP if it was a good brand. I’m going to assume since it’s a convention center that it is located near an airport. I’m also going to assume that I flew into the same airport which would be a mess if everything was knocked out by an EMP as stated. Hopefully it will be night. I will then go to the cargo shipping terminal which is usually located on a less used part of the airport. On my way I will look for a piece of metal I can use as a prybar / weapon. Once I gain access into the airport I will start going through the USPS, UPS packages. Hundreds of thousands of packages go through USPS, UPS everyday. Often those packages are from places like Emergency Essentials, Gunbroker, Lucky Gunner, you get the idea. So while others are navigating the looters. I will be keeping a low profile obtaining gun(s), ammo, fixed blade knife, food and anything else that is light enough to carry and keep me alive for a very long journey. And another tip is that there is usually a bicycle or tricycle in these warehouses that workers use to get from the cargo terminal to the main parts of the airport. Paper money? I would keep it for firestarting material.

    • You are right their could be real gold or silver in a USPS shipping box. The only problem is all the boxes you would have to go through for Good stuff. The shipping label may help narrow the boxes down to what you actually want. Just make sure no one with the airport sees you if they are inclined to defend it or help you and get some goodies as well.

      One last thing the people dealing with the packages may do what you want to do, since they may now what will be good boxes.

      • Agreed. I woud want to be as quick as possible. My main focus in metals would be in steel and lead. Those packages have markings that cannot be mistaken. I will avoid the military or law enforcement parts of the airport because they may be all to happy to give me bullets.

  67. I have taken all day to read through all the posts. There is (to me) one glaring omission throughout.

    Let me preface my experiwnce with a question. How many of you have experienced severe weight loss?

    In 2010 I weighed in at a hefty 325 pounds. Today, I weigh in at a lesser 238. I am over 6 feet tall. Have you ever tried to walk just 1mile with that much loss? I have no butt to keep my pants up. I must constantly keep hitching up not only my pants but also my drawers as they both keep sliding down every 50 or so feet traveled.

    The point of this is simple. How much weight are you going to lose on this little trek, and how is your hiking ability going to impacted? Admittedly I solved the issue by now wearing suspenders as well as a belt. What are you going to do?

    Best as always.

    • JP in MT says:


      Great point. It is one of the reasons why I wear a belt (to hold my gear) and suspenders (to hold up my pants). But I didn’t think to mention it in regards to this “trek”.

    • We All should put suspenders in our bug out bag since we are likely to lose a lot of weight and you are right holding your pants up Will get old fast. Besides if your pants keep falling down you may get eaten by the equivalent of a bear.

  68. Doubt you would be able to buy a pistol so if did not have one with you I would buy these things on my way out of town post haste. 1.). A camelback water container. 2.) back pack filled with as much food as I could carry, including matches, tarp and rope. 3.). Compass. Might have to travel by foot overland. 4. A machete and a good knife. If I am going to get taken out somebody is going to pay before I go down 5.) a bike. The food of course would be high protein and carbs. Going to need it. Tarp for shelter.6.). Some type of water purifier or bleach to disinfect it. Of course would not filter out radiation so would try to stick with bottled water if could find it. You would also need an atlas or maps of each state you would have to walk thru to get home. Nothing is going to look the same. Of course along the way the closer you would get to the blast if you had to walk in that direction you will come across the dead. Scavenge anything you can from them. Hopefully in your travels you can find a surplus store along the way but I would not bank on it. The whole object would be to have preplanned for this before traveling and put some of the stuff in your check on luggage before traveling. An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure

  69. Northern wolf says:

    I would look for the nearest big 5 type store to get the basic for water and camping any mountain house food bow/arrows then hit a reg store for a few canned food, start out of town where I could find horses and get one of them along with tack, then head back home.

  70. I’d hit up Wal art immediately:
    Swiss Tech Multi-Tool $7.07
    Fieldline 1,249 Cui Tactical Patrol Backpack, Coyote Camo – $12.97
    SecureLine 5/32″ x 50′ Green 550-Nylon Paracord, Military Grade – $2.57
    Dorcy 41-2510 4 LED Carabiner Waterproof Flashlight – $7.24
    Everest Mummy +5F/-15C Degree Sleeping Bag – $24
    Barska 10×25 Lucid View Monocular, Black – $11.10
    Stevens MDL 320 12 Gauge Pump Shotgun – $199

    That leaves me $36.05 for some slugs and gameshot, since Wal Mart’s (at least here in the WV/OH/KY tristate) don’t carry buckshot.
    I know I don’t have a water source on here, but they’ll be plenty of plastic bottles around.

    As for getting home… that’s a pipe dream, at least in the beginning. Hopefully find somewhere to whole up, maybe band together with a few of the non-sheeple at the convention.

    If I had to take to the road, I’d strip my hotel room of a blanket, shower curtain, soap, shampoo, etc to fill my bag.

  71. Soggy Prepper says:

    Well, 1200 miles. I’m pretty much screwed. No store is going to be selling anything. It will be looting. So after taking everything I felt would help from the hotel (weapons/knives being high on the list, food stuffs). I would look to get out of town while looking to “get” a bike.
    I just can’t foresee people looking to sell items such as food or a bike at a time like this. Not sure where other people are going to be buying a horse in town for under 300$, I’m just going for a bike as I walk through a neighborhood. Maybe I can see a kid and offer him a 50$ that he’d take for the bike. If he says no I could probably throw it at him as I shove him out of the way and take it and ride off before I cause too much of a commotion.
    Let’s pretend I have a map and a bike. I am not out of shape nor am I in shape for traveling 1200 miles, 200? sure. I have to stay on the roads or I’m lost because I’m directionally challenged. I’m female without a gun. I’m pretty much dead.
    The plus side is I never go 1200 miles away from home because I don’t have to. 1200 miles, phew. I’d try, but seriously, that’s a long way with a LOT of variables in between and I’m not Mad Max.

  72. Thisall H says:

    This scenario is almost the situation that I’m currently in. the only difference is I’m 1400m away to walk home would mean covering at least 500 miles of the Sahara desert with potentially hostile and well armed locals to reach the coast and then hope I could get a boat to cross the sea the rest of the way.

    So for me it would almost certainly be hunker down and hope that aid/rescue from the ROW comes within the next 6 months, this would mean relying on the good will and promises of future payment from the company of the locals to feed us in the mean time. We have a camp local goodwill and a biggish USA company name behind us.

    If it did come to walking out that would be tough, in the past I’ve done

    Three times whilst in the forces so I at least in my twenty’s I could walk 25 miles a day with kit for 4 days. But even then we’d train every other weekend for the 6 months before hand. We’d have a expat security guy with us who are either ex-SAS or SF so hopefully they’d still be around to lead.
    we’d likely try to buy/barter for camels/firearms for the group which could be interesting but make it more feasible.

    We all have Go bags in case the need to go quickly. But these are for use for normal evacuation with transport in case there is a security issue locally (this happened 2months ago and all are normal escape routes where cut off, the plan at the time if needed was to drive 300m across the desert to the nearest foreign border. Hence I’ve added a couple of things since then) Between my EDC and my go bag I have Leatherman, LED torch; head lamp; Lighters; sawyer filter and 2 collapsible water bags and a Compass; small 1st aid kit with quickclot and Israeli bandage and a few hundred in cash.

  73. That’s a hard one.

    Since I couldn’t ride a bike even if my life depended on it, I’d spend the 300$ on a good pair of walking boots, dehydrated food (legumes, veggies and rice) and another couple water filters for my GHB, because 20 gallons won’t let me reach home from THAT far eh!

    Then I guess I would try to barter my way into a working car (yes, that would still exist!) to cover a couple hundred miles.

    Oh, and if it’s winter, I’m SO going to buy snowshows. You have no idea how impossible it is to walk when you have snow to the shoulders (and I’m 6’3!) so snowshoes/skis FTW!

    Oh and I need some ibuprofen and a tarp for the GHB. I should work on this this week, even though I don’t plan to HILE 1200 miles. I never get that far from home : 160 miles is like my greatest distance and it so never happens, maybe once every two years.

  74. I like the idea of the horse and the shotgun but I’m not sure WHERE you can buy a horse or a shotgun for $300. I guess if I had my checkbook and they would accept it I would use that or talk them into running my credit card the old fashioned way. I would buy a horse if I can locate one, weapon of some sorts (gun with a box of ammo, knife, frying pan) a multi-tool, pot with a lid, rope, several bottles of water and a fishing kit. If I can’t acquire the horse I’ll find a 10 speed and head to the house.

  75. Northern wolf says:

    After thinking this over wanted to add a little more. On horses they are not really that hard, if you are going to use one to travel I would go to a barn that plainly has western saddles as (no slight on English riders) in my experience those are horses that have more experience with getting out of the barn for trail rides.the English horses are a little more scared of new things.the type of horse I would look for Arabian my first choice for their stamina but other wise a good pick would be one that looks in good weight a large pony or draft cross that can carry a lot of weight older in age a dark color so to blend In better pintos and whites stand out.saddle and halter plus bridle so you can carry things and have something to tie up with check to see if there are any hoof nippers and files to trim feet.oh grab a brush hoof pick and comb. Most horses can go with out grain as long as you have good grass in route depending on time of year.
    I would also pick up several of those reusable shopping bags to carry the things I need to bring you can hang 1 or 2 off the saddle horn and tie more on the back of the saddle.
    I would have my small portable short wave (sw radio from the c Crain co.) it takes 2 AA batteries,along with my iPod and IPad,with my solar charger and recharge able batteries.i take this with me no matter where I go.the iPod and IPad have several apps that are important ,the apps are med. Plants, army survival manual,Us parks,camping locations and my music and games to have some fun as well as audio books just to name a few.
    I would also look to places not thought to be able to
    Ick up supplies such as say a fitness center for bottled water as an example.i can add more but short on time

  76. Buy a shotgun, 100 rounds of cheap bird shot, head for home. try to buy, trade for, etc a bicycle. I can shoot birds for food, and am relatively secure in my abilities to find food out there. I know what I have at home, and there is where my family will be.

    • Something that no one has mentioned about purchasing firearms for the trip home. Even if they will take checks or you have more than the stated $300 in cash. You may not legally purchase a handgun from another state, and may not legally purchase a long gun except in contiguous states, and at 1200 miles, that most likely means you’re not in a contiguous state.
      The only caveat to this is if you are an FFL dealer.

  77. Northern wolf says:

    It really would not matter if you had a FFL if things are as stated,I would think the only thing you would have to worry about would be those who still wanted to enforce the law that was no longer enforce able and if that was the case I would travel well around those areas that could have a lot of people and a bow/arrows will not give away your location you could have that as back up in addition to a gun.

    • Sagewolf says:

      Your are right about a bow if you got one that was similar to what you have used in the past you could be very effective Very quickly and deadly accurate.

      Also even with a FFL you are still limited by $300 as stated in the senario it would only be useful when the SHTF is not happening only when times are good.

  78. Purgatory says:

    Guys, You are missing the point. The only way you are getting home from 1200 miles away with $300 in your pocket is to recognize the situation before everyone else does and be ready to act without hesitation.
    If the power goes out, the internet disappears and terrestrial phone service fails all at once the SHTF for real. Don’t stand around with your co-workers wringing your hands and wondering who is going to save you. The answer is no one! You had better get moving.
    I travel frequently by air to large metropolitan areas. I am not allowed to carry weapons on company time , on company property or in company vehicles. I’ll be unarmed unless I am on personal business. That’s unlikely 1200 miles from home.
    I have thought about this scenario at some length. The problems I would face would be similar to the problems most air travelers will face. My corporate office is in a skyscraper. I would have to evacuate down 10 floors to leave the building. The hotel is within walking distance but once there I will have to find the hotel security man who has the tool they use to access the rooms when the power is out. That may be tough to do except immediately after the grid goes black.
    My travel clothes alway include sturdy walking shoes, comfortable jeans and coats, gloves, hat and several pairs of heavy socks. My work computer is carried in a fairly large backpack. I would sort out the useful clothes and ditch the computer and the dress shirts and slacks.
    I’d take every last bottle of water and complimentary snack, etc. that is in the room. I’ll bet as a guest of the hotel you could wheedle a bunch more water and food out of the staff even if the computer and cash registers were dark.
    I usually have a rental car and have made it a habit to park in covered parking garages at the lowest available level farthest from the open sides. I hope that might keep the car’s electronics from being toasted
    by an EMP. The other precaution I have taken is to keep the vehicle topped off with fuel. These sub-compacts I rent should have a cruising range of over 500 miles.
    I have 2 coworkers who travel with me. The trick would be to convince them both to bug out without delay. Traveling with people you can trust would be a decided advantage. Just being able to drive continuously without stopping to sleep could be a matter of life or death. Extra eyes to watch for hazards or developing situations could be critical.
    I really think the key to making it home is getting clear of the metro area ASAP. If the event happens during rush hour or during the business day the roads may be nearly impassable. Without some knowledge of the local roads and bottlenecks on those roads a person could spend lots of valuable time and fuel getting to the rural areas. The trick here would be to familiarize yourself with the roads less traveled and to be familiar with the traffic volumes and flows at various times of day. I know that’s going to be hard to do since a person is usually “conducting business” while on these trips. Maybe come in a day earlier or stay later to scout the routes.
    I’m saving my money to buy fuel or food once I reach the more remote areas. Every major interstate route has a corresponding state highway that shadows the newer interstate system. Good pavement, fewer people and vehicles and the possibility of finding sympathetic locals to help you on your way are all positives of a backroad route. I really think a person can talk a farmer out of 10 gallons of gas with some cash and the true story of how you are trying to get home to your family. Two tanks of gas after the initial tank is used should get us home.
    This is an all out sprint. Do not waste time or effort acting like you are going on a weekend camping trip. The timid, the faint of heart and the unprepared will not make the trip!

    • According to the Conflict card, “None of the means of communications or transportation work”. If, by chance, your rented car was protected from an EMP, the roads would be littered with other vehicles that were stopped in their tracks. I don’t think you’d get very far without getting stuck behind stopped vehicles, especially if you’re driving a sub-compact car. Something you could take off-road might work. In you’re in a city, I don’t think you’ll get a block.

    • Purgatory,
      Some very good points; however, you may not be able to count on your vehicle functioning. If by chance it still does, knowing the routes out of the city will be critical, as will knowing the shadow routes of the interstate system. The real problem will most likely be getting gasoline for the vehicle, unless of course you can find that friendly farmer. Our onsite gas tank is elevated and gravity fed; but, I’m not sure how willingly I would share it in this scenario, since replacing it could be problematic. In any case, a ¾ tank of gas in a compact would get you much closer than the original 1200 miles from home, making any other contingency much easier.
      Another resource to have with you in your luggage would be a flexible fold up water container. I’ve seen these in 1, 5, and 10 gallon varieties, and they could be filled with ice and perhaps tap water at the hotel if you act fast enough.

      • Tactical G-Ma says:

        When Atlanta froze up and traffic stalled, People abandoned their vehicles and walked to warmer places. My guess is there will be vehicles where gas can be siphoned. But I still believe there will be those willing to go to extreme measures to take possession of a running car. You will be in danger.

  79. Tactical G-Ma says:

    I agree with all you said.

    If all worked as you said and the car ran you could be home in 24 hrs. or less.

    The key to this scenario is, you have 48-72 hours before mass chaos breaks out. The initial shock and ignorance of the population will be the only window of some safety for travel.

    Whatever you do, do it fast.

  80. Purgatory says:

    You are correct, Nann! I didn’t read the card thoroughly. If there is truly not one single motorized vehicle to be had I’m screwed! I honestly doubt that no matter how complete the EMP event there wouldn’t be vehicles protected enough to run. The trick would be then to find one.
    So now I’m down to finding a sturdy mountain bike by hook or by crook and hoping I can ride it far enough to get away from population centers. If my friends are similarly mounted we might have a chance.
    Out in the country I’d start looking for an old ranch truck or beater car stored in a Quonset that might run. Three of us together with $900 might be able to score a ride home for that.

    • Purgatory,
      Should you come by my place and my 25 YO truck is still running, you might score some food, but attempting to score the truck would most likely be hazardous. Nothing personal, just a case of your bad planning does not constitute my emergency.

    • I’ve been keeping an eye out for an old decent running pickup or Jeep myself.

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