Conflicted Tuesday

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Russia, China, Iran, North Korea and Venezuela declare war against the United States due to the death of the dollar, which lead to a complete collapse of the global fiat money system. They blame the U.S. government for ruining the global financial markets and are using propaganda to get the support of their own people. Your country’s President has gone on TV and declared that there are rough times ahead, and that all citizens need to prepare for World War Three. What would you do after hearing that?

Looking forward to the discussion in the comments below…

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  1. Nemoseto says:

    Marry a Canadian chick

    • Nemoseto says:

      learn to use the phrase “Ay” after everything I say and move far north to look for work on another logging crew

    • axelsteve says:

      Canada will not escape the collapse. Marry the Canadian chick though if you want.

      • Collapse didn’t matter to me in the given scenario, Russia and China declared war, the other countries are kind of weak but Russia and China have enough people to simply overpower the US by sheer numbers. Canada is militarily weak and kind of unpopulated, it would probably be on the sidelines of a war unless Russia invades via the Arctic (a route of concern in the 1950s) and travels through Canada first.

        I looked into immigration standards for Canada a few years ago, its easier if you have a valuable and marketable skill that would benefit the country and I’m a pro in the logging industry, Canada has plenty of timber and a viable logging industry, hence I have a better chance at getting citizenship than average. even if the economy is in the dirt I can still make it in the more remote forested parts (got friends up there) and wait out a war on the sidelines.

        • Then you should make your move right now, but under Harper’s direction, Canada would blindly and stupidly follow your leaders into the tomb.

          Learn french and move to Québec instead. It’s not on the arctic line of invasion =P

          • Lake Lili says:

            Don’t both blaming Harper… we’ve been in bed with the Elephant for long before he came to power. On the day when the Elephant rolls over and puts four legs and a trunk in the air, we as the mouse will be economically squished.

            As for moving to the Socialist Republic of Quebec… don’t bother if you don’t speak French. Quebec will become extremely isolationist…

        • Bwhntr59 says:


          Remember in Canada you cannot own handguns, and I am sure owning an AR is difficult..

          • You can own handguns with a special license. You cannot own auto ARs, but semi-auto is fine, with a basic permit. Clip size is restricted to 5 or 10 (don’t remember).

            Yes, it sucks.

            • An AR rifle falls into the restricted category up here due to barrel length, by about 1/2 inch. Were you to find one with a longer barrel, 5 round mags are the legal max.

              • For all but the M1 Garants, as far as I’ve been told. They can use original clips.

                Don’t own firearms, so take my advice as lightly as you want.

            • Watchdog says:

              It’s five rounds for center-fire rifles. The exception being the SMLE British .303 (Ten round mag allowed). Ten rounds for handguns. No restrictions on mag capacity for .22 cal.
              No carry permits allowed…..Unless you can prove that there have been three attempts on your life, are an ex cop, famous, or you are a licensed trapper in the far, far north. The firearm laws since 1996 are draconian. You have to sign away most of your Charter Rights/Civil Liberties to own a gun. It’s Bullsh*t. You guys don’t know how lucky you are.

              God Bless America and the Second Amendment!

        • Nemoseto,
          You state, “Russia and China have enough people to simply overpower the US by sheer numbers”. Although the math may sound good, getting any large number of people here from anywhere else would be the logistical challenge of the century. Think Normandy times 100 or 1000 with an ocean to cross instead of the channel.
          As for the arctic route, the highway system down from Alaska through Canada to the northern US is barely there, compared to fir instance the interstate system. While good for tourists and some commercial shipping, large movement of troops and material, especially while under air assault would be insane.

        • MichaelSee says:

          Nemoseto, Insted of thinking/planning on moving to “The Great White North”, you might consider moving south. Belize is a warm, english-speaking country that is very friendly to immigrants. You don’t have to pay taxes on any money that you don’t generate in-country (good for people currently retired). You can get permanant resident status in as little as 30 days and citizenship in only two years! Having a Belizian passport could come in handy sometime. There are many, many advantages to moving to Belize ahead of time and preparing for whatever you think might come.

          If you DO decide to move down there, I’d urge you to have ample guest quarters for any visitors who might want to visit. Belize is a little-known tourist destination, but once friends and family know that you’re there I’m sure that you’ll have ’em dropping around for a low-cost vacation in the tropical sun. Some people rent out their guest houses for a little extra money.

          I could go on and on, but check it out for yourself.

          • Rider of Rohan says:

            I’m not saying anything bad about Belize, and don’t take it that way, but any tropical destination has its own set of special problems, malaria being one of them. I had a friend who went to Belize on a missionary trip and came back with malaria. It’s endemic there as it is in all the tropics.

            • i live in the tropics and we don’t have a malaria
              problem here, but i understand what you are saying.
              about belize.

          • MichaelSee,
            How are the firearms laws in Belize? I personally don’t go anywhere my guns aren’t welcome.
            Also, how is the medical system?
            Finally, what percentage of their foodstuffs are grown domestically vs. imported?
            These are all questions one should ask about any destination.

    • Nemoseto says:

      I know I can’t easily own guns in Canada, I know a good bit about it, a lot of my friends have dual citizenship and right now 2 of them work as hunting guides up north around Newfoundland. 5 or 6 are in northern Ontario working on Logging crews. I had to do a lot of paperwork to get permission to work in Canada for a 6 month project a few years ago.

      I know its a logistic nightmare for an invasion, before a land invasion can happen the US will need to have been exhausted of all drones, missiles, planes and ships and it will be a long fight both ways until we are either depleted of resources and weak enough to be invaded or a truce is called. and this doesn’t take account of bitter on the ground defense and civilian defenses as well. it would be a blood bath on all sides and the States would become an unwinnable quagmire of insurgents even if the military was defeated. such a hypothetic war would probably be to beat the US into chaos then withdraw leaving us in a huge mess.

      the 1950s saw the Canadian air force at its peak and they were one of the top world leaders in air power technology, the Soviet Unions most likely route of invasion at the time would have been over the arctic with bombers, fighters and paratroopers as it was the shortest route (as opposed to crossing the pacific). that threat ended with nukes that could be delivered on something other than a bomber.

      I would consider Canada (and the more sparsely inhabited northern parts) since I have friends up there already and know a useful trade. if the US was attacked and beat down like the scenario suggests was on the way I would leave and wait it out in the remote boonies.

      • Rob in Ontario says:

        I have lived in the northern part of Ontario and now I live in central Ontario, I lived in northern Alberta also . if anything were to happen Ontario would be a right off anywhere below the French river , North Bay area except some large pockets of swamp and marsh lands , you go about 200 miles north roads become rare and if not attended up a mess , northern Ontario much less the terrietories are fly in areas because of low laying areas, as to guns , you can own semi auto like SKS, they have a 20 round magazine pinned at 5 rounds , but once SHTF I think all bets are off they would stay at 5 rounds, there are other semi autos you can have also . Hand guns you have to belong to a gun club to get one and pass a police check ,

    • Oldalaskan says:

      The wife & I are already learning Russian just in case they want Alaska back.

  2. Encourage TN to secede from “NOT my presidents” agenda…

  3. Rob in Ontario says:

    As a Canadian I know what happens south of us affects us here almost as much as the Americans, would go fill gas tanks , send my mother to grocery stores to get as much food as she can, as I go and get a top up in ammo , and call my extended family for a meeting and hand them lists of things to get , they don’t prep. We have a BOL but would need a few trailers or such to have all get there and stay

    • Agreed Rob

    • Exile1981 says:

      Being in Canada myself I would be looking at topping up all the fuel jugs and propane tanks to be sure and being a lot more careful about certain neighbors.

    • Lake Lili says:

      As a Canadian, I believe that the day WWIII is called, I agree with Rob but would add a stop at the TSC for boots,clothes, feed and fencing. Would also clear the cage of propane tanks. But the bulk has to be in place long before…

      • Rob in Ontario says:

        Lili I hope I have the clothing and boots part covered but yes seeds and feed would be good to get , and propane tanks

  4. After 30 years PRACTICE I don’t think I’d have to do (or buy) anything!

  5. Backwoods Prepper says:

    I would head to walmart with my emergency cash and credit card. My wife will head to the grocery section for all the staples she can get in the buggy. I will head through the pharmacy section picking up vitamins, pain reliever and bandages. From there I’ll head through hardware and sporting goods. We will go home batten down the hatches and get everything bug out ready. If the dollar has collapsed in all those other countries it would only be a matter of days before it happens in the us.

    • Chicken little says:

      Don’t forget to hit the package store!

    • MountainHighMe says:

      If you have the emergency money, you should go ahead and make those purchases as who knows if you’ll have the time once shit gets real.
      Be safe

  6. Pack up as much supplies as I can, encourage family and friends to do the same and go “Red dawn” to an undisclosed location away from populations and live as many days in peace with nature as I and my family am allowed to. If the fight came to us then we would avoid or engage depending on the situation.

  7. Nebraska Woman says:

    I would not panic.
    My family and I have a bug out plan (a BO plan sounds too smelly).
    We would go to the acreage, where I have stored everything we need.
    Then we would wait to see what happens.

    • Rod Zeigler says:

      GREAT idea! If you wait to get anything after the balloon goes up, you are years too late!

  8. Tactical G-Ma says:

    At my age, DH and I would gather as much money as possible and send our kids and grandkids to New Zealand. Then pop and I would break out the ramen noodles!

    • G-Ma, you spring some of the best jokes around here, (and you can keep your ramen noodles,) but somehow I think New Zealand is a real plan. I’d be very interested in knowing how and why you came up with it.

    • MichaelSee says:

      G-Ma, New Zealand sounds good, but only if you are White and have at least a million dollars to invest in the local economy (assuming dollars will be woth anything at that point). Without the money, you’re just a tourist and will be shipped home after your tourist visa expires. If you’re Black, you’re totally out of luck; they won’t even consider you for immigration. You should also be young (less than 40) and have a valuable skill.

      • Tactical G-Ma says:

        akaGaGa and MichaelSee,
        Two of my grandchildren are dual citizens. My children are postgraduate professionals whose skills are accreditted by NZ and altho they would have to take the normal exams would be able to practice there.
        They are white so won’t face the problem of racial prejudice.
        We have family and friends there to help them and most importantly it is neither in the Western hemisphere or Asia thus would hopefully be spared in the event of the use of WMD. If they could pass for Latino I might have considered Belize. But Belize is too close for comfort.
        If you don’t agree then don’t send your kids to New Zealand.

  9. I think that by the time TDL gets on TV it will be too late. Pandemonium will have already set in. A better question is what are the early warning signs that we are in trouble–that another world war is imminent. Long before a declaration of war, I suspect there will be two kinds of attacks on the U.S.: cyber attacks and biological attacks. The cyber attacks are happening right now. And I deeply suspect that China and Russia (and the U.S.) have all kept up with research in biological warfare.

    • I think we are seeing the early warning signs right now in Ukraine

      • hvaczach,
        I agree. Have you heard that for the first time since becoming a free state, Poland has called up all of it’s reserves and has activated all draft age males for basic training. Hmm, perhaps someone is paying attention to the USSR, errr. Russia.

      • Urbancitygirl says:

        Yes, I’m watching things closely myself. Very concerned. Poland, Ukraine, China, North Korea, Isreal, Iran. Gee, things could blow and I’m certainly nowhere near where we need to be.

        • Urbancitygirl,
          Been doing this for 30+ years and I’m not there either, as I suspect most of us are not. There’s always one more thing to get, learn, or do; but, we’re still far ahead of most of the population.

        • Desert Fox says:

          Ahhh…I think it’s time to read “Alas Babylon” again! (Pat Frank’s book on nuclear written in the 60’s)

      • seeuncourt says:

        And poland

    • BamBam
      Did you hear/or read where the passenger was able to leave Africa, and they suspect he has Ebola. They have him hospitalized in Saskatchewan Canada, he came out of Liberia, it was on Coast to Coast program last evening.

      • Becky,

        Alerts U.S.A. sent the news to me a couple of days ago – this could turn into something bad…

        • No Ebola, tests turned out to be negatives.

          • RSOE Emergency and Disaster Information Service
            Budapest, Hungary

            Situation Update No. 2
            Canada – Biological Hazard on 2014-03-25 at 04:31:48

            Ref: BH-20140325-43130-CAN

            Situation Update No. 2

            On 2014-03-25 at 16:53:36 [UTC]

            Event: Biological Hazard
            Location: Canada Province of Saskatchewan Saskatoon


            A suspected case of the deadly Ebola virus in Saskatchewan has tested negative. Tests also came back negative for Lassa, Marburg and Crimean Congo. The World Health Organization (WHO) tweeted the results Tuesday from its verified Twitter account. Canada\’s deputy chief public health officer said in a release that tests at the Public Health Agency of Canada\’s National Microbiology Laboratory confirmed the ill man does not have Ebola or any other hemorrhagic viruses. Dr. Gregory Taylor\’s statement said ruling out those four hemorrhagic viruses \”significantly reduces the risk to the people who have been in close contact with the patient while the patient has exhibited symptoms.\” Taylor added there has never been a confirmed case of a hemorrhagic virus in Canada, and that testing continues to determine the man\’s illness. \”If a case were ever confirmed in Canada, the Public Health Agency of Canada would alert Canadians immediately and put measures in place to protect the public,\”
            the PHAC said in a statement. Hartl suggested the case \”is apparently a severe case of malaria.\” A top Saskatchewan public health official announced Monday that the man in question, who was recently in the West African country of Liberia, was critically ill and isolated in a Saskatoon hospital with what was believed to be viral hemorrhagic fever (VHF). Included in the general class of VHFs are Ebola fever, Lassa fever, Crimean Congo hemorrhagic fever, yellow fever, dengue fever, and Marburg hemorrhagic fever. Health care workers sent the patient’s specimens to the national microbiology laboratory in Winnipeg for a diagnosis, said deputy chief medical health officer Dr. Denise Werker. Rampant spread of hemorrhagic fevers in Africa, including a current outbreak in Guinea of Ebola, can be linked back to poor infection control in hospitals, Werker said.

            RSOE Emergency and Disaster Information Service (EDIS)
            Hungary, Budapest

            Sending AlertMail: 2014-03-25 at 16:53:36 [UTC]

          • Schatzie Ohio says:

            That’s what they say.

          • Hillbilly Hank says:

            So if it isn’t Ebola , then there is a new hemorrhagic fever. No biggie, we’re safe here, right?

            • MD & Pack;
              Per Hillbilly Hank, we are safe right?? Makes me wonder.
              Did we just miss the bullet this time……..what about the next time they do not monitor those that have been an area that is ripe with this contagion.
              Newspaper had a warning about Yellow Fever coming up via Mexico into the lower part of the US into the drought stricken states.

            • CountryVet says:

              There several hemorrhagic fevers. Fortunately ebola is primarily spred thru bodily fluids. Case of wait and see that they come up with.

        • Thanks MD will add this to my computer folder.

      • LittleAnniePrepper says:

        For crying out loud, why did they let him leave is he was suspected to have Ebola? As a biologist/researcher (in a former live), I have read extensively on these hemorrhagic fevers. This is the WORST. Absolutely no cure and incredibly contagious. You’d think these people WANT us to have the 21st century equivalent of plague. Sorry about the rant…

        • LittleAnniePrepper says:

          My apologies, I see CountyVet (clearly more knowledgeable about these things than I am) has been more specific about contagious via body fluids. I’ll shut up and go back to my lurking now…

    • Tactical G-Ma says:

      Bam Bam
      Since you are in FL, I know you can relate.
      We hear there’s a tropical storm in the Atlantic near Africa. Nobody makes a move. Half way across the Atlantic, it’s upgraded to a hurricane but it will probably hit the Yucatan. It’s off of Hispaniola, is definitely coming into the Gulf but it usually dies out before landfall and it’s more likely to hit Mississippi. It changes direction. It’s headed directly for your house, has been up graded to a type 3 hurricane, and will make landfall in 3 hours.
      At least 50% of those in it’s path have just realized there’s nobread or milk in the house, there’s no gas in the cars and you have no place to go if you do have to evacuate. There’s not a sheet of plywood or a portable generator within 600 miles.
      And this happens every time.
      So, if the SHTF and you aren’t already ready, it’s too late.

  10. put your boots on says:

    packing the truck up, grabbing the wife and kids, and heading for WY to the family farm. seriously, who attacks WY? seems like a pretty safe bet. 🙂

    • MichaelSee says:

      Boots, “Who attacks WY?”. It would be by anyone wanting to take out a few of those ICBM missle sites we have up there. Ditto for the Dakotas, etc..

      • put your boots on says:

        Your point is fair and along those lines, if that is what they are attacking then you might as well say good bye to the entire mid west. I’ll still take my chances up there. Less of a strategic point than where I am sitting right now.

        • Buckwheat says:

          Buy Skousen’s strategic relocation book. It maps out all of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd tier targets in the US. It is well put together.

  11. Well Mr. Obvious thanks for the heads up.

    Our plan would not change except we would not be taking any trips out of state. They are all already “mad” at us. They take our trade, want lots of handouts, then when the goose stops laying golden eggs, they get mad. The day is coming already. This would probably put us in the final stages of prepping, then hole up and get ready.

  12. Jersey Drifter says:

    Our allies don’t trust or respect TDL, so forget about much international help. They will sit back and watch and try not to get involved. So that leaves us to face the 5 trouble makes alone, plus any other countries that want to pile on and help those 5.

    With the nukes that we know Russia and China have, plus whatever North Korea, Iran, and Venezuela might or might not have, I think we are in deep Doo Doo. WWIII won’t be pleasant.

    First thing I would do is call my my DS and DBL and get them to grab anything they can. Load up all their prescription meds and medical supplies. All food, blankets, and since he is in construction any, tools he can load up in his van. And also any firearms ( he has a good amount and doesn’t even know how many ) and ammo. Between their van and car they should be able to load up a fair amount. His nickname is ” Eddie the Map “, he can find his way to anyplace, and knows the back roads. So I think the 1 1/2 hr. drive to get here wouldn’t be to bad. This all would be a lot easier if I could only get them to prep.

    Next I would get my folks and the three of us would pull out of the bank all we could to add to what cash I have on hand already. Next stop, top off with gas the car, pickup’s, and gas cans.
    Walmart and such places I would try to avoid. Ever been there when a storm was approaching ? The sheeple are NUTS.

    Only thing left to do is to go into lockdown mode and Pray, Pray, Pray.

  13. Since I am already at my retreat, and hopefully saw all this coming, and already have as many preps as possible, I would make sure my communications are in order with the people I trust, sit back on the front porch and wait to see how the situation unfolds. Isn’t this why we all prep? to be ready for this? I am not trying to be smug but WTF folks, we all should be ready and not panic like the sheeple. I think we are a whole lot closer to this becoming reality than most people think. jmho.

    • Urbancitygirl says:

      Yes, except not all of us have gotten to our retreats yet unfortunately. But it is a goal for certain.

  14. Urbancitygirl says:

    I am going to run this scenario by my DH tonight over dinner. So I may comment again later. However, right now, my gut tells me I should already know something bad is happening before the president makes a speech and hopefully, I’ve acquired additional preps by that time. This scenario is actually what I fear most next to dollar collapse.

    If ww3 is announced, even if I had all the supplies I thought I would need,. I would still go to the store and stock up on staples, canned foods, dog food, batteries, water, etc. if DH is home, I’d send him to gas station to fill up vehicles and gas cans, prescriptions. I may make several trips to the stores. If safe enough to do so.

    We will then inventory and make a decision to stay or go to BOL. Either decision would be a very difficult one to make. Staying requires living in a city and keeping safe. Leaving means taking chances to get to BOL safely, 2-3 hrs away, but also leaving a job behind and leaving home vacant to looters. And we can only take as many supplies as can travel with.

    We have a BOL (family) in northern part of the state. They will expect us. It’s Close to Amish farms and backs up to state land. Although not my preferred set up due to space constraints,
    and the family cannot follow OPSEC to (seriously) save their lives, it’s what we have for now til we buy our own land. We cannot store supplies at BOL because of said space issues so we have considered renting a storage unit on the way there. I’ve researched this idea quite a bit and it doesn’t seem like an attractive option yet. And burying caches sounds intriguing but, really, where do I safely bury stashes? And in the winter, it would be covered with several feet of snow and ice.

    Ick, can you tell I’ve been over these things in my head more than a little bit? Or, am I over thinking? But, I won’t be the one sitting on my porch asking “so, um, I’m out of food, who is gonna help poor little me?”

    If we are bombed, well, that’s entirely a different scary thought. I’d much rather endure EMP or dollar collapse than bombs or even a pandemic (natural or man made).

    • Patriot Dave says:

      Perhaps you have already thought of this. If so, I apologize. If this is definitely going to be your BOL. Then why not ask them if you can install a shed, small cabin or barn. Amish are supposed to be good barn raisers. Preferably with a root cellar for food storage. Then move as much stuff there. Keep it locked. Don’t tell them what is in it. opsec can’t be violated if they don’t know. I would tell them that you want the cabin so you don’t have to “impose” on their space and privacy. Being on their property, it is less likely to be burglarized. Otherwise, if funds are available, purchase 5 acres, or so, next to them. Do it there.

      • Urbancitygirl says:

        Although they are in the “country” and low population area, They do not have acreage and there is an association of sorts, so additional out bldg isn’t possible. But, we’ve considered some type of a camper also. Perhaps in storage nearby, with some supplies (not food).

        It’s the only ‘low populated’ option we have now so we really are trying to find our own land this summer.

    • Whether one’s area is bombed, would depend, I’d guess, on whether one lives near a city, water plant, ammo factory or depot, military base, nuclear plant, major airport or other target area.
      We live in an isolated place w/ none of the above, & nearest nuclear plant is 150-200 miles downwind.

  15. As BamBam stated it we are just one step away from the melt down. Here is why.
    When the elitists think they need to hold on to another countries gold for “safe keeping”, yet can not return the gold in the form in which it was received with all that counties identifying marks. Yes, I am referring to “Germany” it is being melted down before it is return by federal reserve. Wonder if they are doing a shave a little here and there. It also is being been sent back at a snails pace so the elite can keep their hands on that gold. Now the federal reserve has taken possession to ‘protected’ the Ukrainian’s gold, and I am sure it will be altered.
    China is buying gold at a fast pace, and once it goes into that country it will NEVER come back out. It is their countries standing policy, Yikes.
    We are in the WWIII mode, the only difference is bullets have not started flying in this country from invading armies, but we are close. China being one, they want our natural resources and they are coming after them one way or another. If they can not buy it out from under us, they will take it by force. Just like Russia just did to Crimea.
    Nothing different than what we all have been doing to becoming more self reliant. We do not have a BOL to go to, it will have to be where are now. Figure out a way to store more fuel and water, since the duration of a WWIII could be years, much longer than 2nd WW.

  16. Well, basically seeing as how Texas would be one of the invasion points from the south, I would gather my family together, and make sure we all were able to bend over far enough to kiss our behinds goodbye. We would make a stand, but seriously? I think all of the aforementioned countries would be doing their best to grab a piece of American pie. But then again, Texans just might all get together, barbque up some stray cattle and Remember the Alamo!!!

    • Rider of Rohan says:

      Amen to that, sister. As for coastal CA, I’d give it to the Chinese now if they had to keep the liberals and welfare cheats. And had to take back the ones who have already migrated to Texas.The Northeast, don’t even get me started.

      • Yep. What Rider said….. Does anybody want to know where the phrase “come and take it!” came from?
        From Wikipedia, but it’s correct
        In early January 1831, Green DeWitt wrote to Ramón Músquiz, the top political official of Bexar, and requested armament for defense of the colony of Gonzales. This request was granted by delivery of a small used cannon. The small bronze cannon was received by the colony and signed for on March 10, 1831, by James Tumlinson, Jr.[5] The swivel cannon was mounted to a blockhouse in Gonzales, Texas and later was the object of Texas pride. At the minor skirmish known as the Battle of Gonzales—the first battle of the Texas Revolution against Mexico—a small group of Texans successfully resisted the Mexican forces who had orders from Col. Domingo de Ugartechea to seize their cannon. As a symbol of defiance, the Texans had fashioned a flag containing the phrase “come and take it” along with a black star and an image of the cannon which they had received four years earlier from Mexican officials—this was the same message that was sent to the Mexican government when they told the Texans that they had to return their cannon—failure to comply with the Mexicans’ original demands led to the failed attempt by the Mexican military to forcefully take back the cannon.[6]

        • Rider of Rohan says:

          My father was born in Gonzalez, shai. Molon Labe.

          • I find that a lot of non Texans (Texas history is a required course for 7th graders) is they forget that Texas was its own country for many years until they joined the USA. And everyone thinks we all wear Stetsons, cowboy boots, and the entire state looks like Monument Valley in Utah. Oh, and we all have oil wells in our backyards. Well, Gonzales is overrun with them now, and I think those wanting what we have might run into some opposition. Oh and the invaders would likely run into the flood of illegal aliens heading back home when the jobs and benefits go away.

            • hvaczach says:

              you mean you don’t all wear boots and stetson’s? Hmmm gonna have to rethink the potential move to Texas I can rock a Stetson for a fat guy!

              • I don’t wear Stetsons but I do wear boots!

                • As always, it depends on the weather and situation…I’ve got a rockin’ pair of eel skin Tony Lama boots I’ve had for 30 years. Just had them resoled again recently and do pinch a little now, but they’re very comfortable.. Another pair of utility ropers, shorter boots that are perfect for slipping on in the dark and scaring the crap out of the parkers on the road with the spotlight.. My hat is a felt jackaroo style that perfectly matches the duster. Rest of my boots are wear a little while, but while they’re on, I look GOOD. It’s warm, and flip flops, tank top and shorts are the norm. I do have horses, but no Mesa or buttes in the distance… And the song dogs still belt out some soulful tunes. Man, I love being a Texan.

      • Jersey Drifter says:

        I resemble that remark about the Northeast (hehehe) Well I like to think I am geographically a little south of northeast, and politically a bunch to the right.

    • MichaelSee says:

      Shai, Your statement: “seeing as how Texas would be one of the invasion points from the south” is a little inaccurate. We’re ALREADY being invaded! There are estimates that there may be as many as 25 million illegal aliens (Oops, sorry, “undocumented immigrants”) here in the US. That’s a slow-motion type of invasion, but an invasion none the less.

      Let me be clear. I am not a racist or anti-immigrant. I just want people coming here to do it legally and not have their first act in crossing the border not be commiting a felony!

      • Oh, Michael, I agree 100%. But if something along the lines of the scenario happens, I figure 90% of those with green cards will be high tailing it back to the south and the cartels will really move in trying to maintain their “business”. Even if the foreign powers don’t actually put their boots on the ground here, the lack of social services will cause a lot of foreign nationals to high tail out of this country.

        • And look at it this way as well, Texas has the longest land border, and multiple sea ports along with refineries, that along with the natural resources we enjoy now makes us a huge target for invaders.

    • isn’t Tex known for having a lot of guns. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are more guns than people down there. Would Mexico allow Venezula (& maybe Russian?) troops to go thru Mex to southern US? If I was Mex govt, I’d try to remain neutral, but then again, it may just take buying off 4-5 warlords in N Mexico along a coast. But can Russia & Venezuela get 1-2 aircraft carriers along the Mex coast near a US border? (can’t imagine Venezuela having an aircraft carrier) Without air support, an army coming from the S wouldn’t get far into TX b/4 the US navy bombs them.

      • Tactical G-Ma says:

        You’re assuming there will still be operational aircraft carriers. You’re assuming we will still have a functional government. My crystal ball shows rats abandoning ship by the thousands.

        • T-G-Ma, No, I”m referring to THEIR aircraft carriers. 1. Note this is in response to Shai’s reference to an invasion from the south into TX. Unless those 5 nations can send missiles w/ nuclear bombs, an invasion is possible. Or does ur crystal ball assume that our govt stops functioning & sends up the white flag b/4 the enemy actually does anything?
          Go back & read Shai’s Mar 25, 11:1O am post. Perhaps then u’ll understand where my post was coming from.

          • Tactical G-Ma says:

            Thanks for straightening me out. I did misread yours and Shai’s entries. But playing the devil’s advocate, would our government and military infrastructure still stand if the dollar was worthless?

            • If/when the dollar dies, I can’t imagine how our govt & military would survive, but I suspect they’d do anything & everything they could, to stay in power, given the weaknesses of our human nature.

  17. axelsteve says:

    I would say my prayers and get right with god.The bible states what will happen and so far it has.It is in my opinion that we are like in the days of Noah. The real Noah not Russle Crow.

    • Happy Camper says:

      I’m lucky as I live not far from the real Russell Crow ! Well he lives between his country property, Sydney and I think outside Aust when he’s working.
      He’s been very generous to our local community, he put in a town swimming pool for the community near his house and paid for disabled access to be installed in another public swimming pool.
      Our local government spent a few million upgrading the public swimming pool but forgot to put in disabled access (?!?!)
      Jack thompson is also not far away, he’s also a generous community minded man. I think he lives with several lovers.
      But anyway, in regards to conflicted Tuesday. Given my location to the USA I think I will be fine 🙂

      • GoneWithTheWind says:

        It would be a mistake to think that any serious military action by Russia and/or China will not affect Australia. China needs land and Australia is right in it’s backyard. I think China is coming for it. Maybe not today or next year but soon enough. When the U.S. is no longer abe to extend it’s power into the Pacific I think it will go badly for all/most of the countries in the South Pacific.

        • Happy Camper says:

          I think I’m happily in denial. But your right. I worry about how vulnerable Australia is geographically. It’s also a big big country and we are totally isolated.
          So much space here is so far from anywhere and very isolated militia could easily go unnoticed for a long time.
          There’s many areas of biological vulnerability here, everyone is very relaxing in their way of thinking.
          Yes I think Australia is very vulnerable. We have always been allies with USA but never been a terror target.

    • LittleAnniePrepper says:

      As my husband says, no one will be able to hide (or bug out) from God’s punishment.

  18. I would call my sons and tell them to make sure their gas tanks are topped off and to come home with their families and all of the supplies that they can pack up. Other than that Pray!

  19. Hunker-Down says:

    I would call the children to leave their city homes and quickly join us in the sticks, bringing with them their bank account contents, “tools”, food, medicine and clothes.
    I would empty our accounts then go to chinamart and empty the shelves of OTC meds, soaps, car batteries and gas cans. I would buy ammo of all kinds with cash, making as many trips through the checkout as necessary. I would pay cash for 4-5 cords of wood. I would buy 200 ft of wire to make rabbit cages (locally located 50-75 miles away) and wire for a chicken run. I would buy rabbit and chicken brood stock and enough feed to last until next fall, using the upcoming summer to grow our own. I would go to the grocery store and buy frozen veggies and crank up the dehydrator ( more canning jars too).

    I would order on-line tons of fish meds, more water filters and P.M’s, herbs, Mylar bags and O2 absorbers and load up on vodka brandy and vinegar. I would order at least one each of the 254 items (I just checked the number) on our Amazon wish list.

    If there is enough time and energy left I would go to the ‘big city’ and get a pickup load of 2X4’s and marine plywood and several pounds of nails and screws.

    Then sit back and wait for the courts to come get us for not paying the credit card bills.

    Dang: I gotta print this and turn it into an action plan 🙁

    • Hunker-Down says:

      And build a nuclear lean-to in the basement, set up the water filters and refresh all our stored water.

  20. Sit back and hope to hell I got prepared enough. May go to the bank and the store to get what I can that is left.
    Then stage all the things I think I will need to secure the house when the time comes. Speaking of that I need to get some more plywood this weekend…

  21. I would make sure that consumables are topped off ( gas , propane , oil ) . Then stock up on extra seeds , boots , gloves and clothing. Guns,ammo and current ( up to 3 years )food needs are covered but one wants to be able to stretch that as far as posable with production including growing livestock feed .

  22. A hundred miles is too close from the american border. I’ll just bug-out north to our BOL and wait it out. Hopefuly, Québec will be spared. And if it’s not, well I’ll be prepared.

    • Rob in Ontario says:

      I’m afraid in Quebec any English person will be targeted by the French much less others

  23. I have several options.
    Option 1, gather family and supplies and head to house and family in mexico.
    Option 2, gather family and supplies and head to family in Colorado.
    Option 3, stay here in Texas and do as Shai says and kiss the behind goodbye. I live a little too close to one of those entry points. Lets just say that with the right wind I can smell the oil spill from Saturday.

    Honestly I think option 1 is my best bet. Our house in Mexico is paid for free and clear, and we have property to go with said house. It isn’t in the middle of no where (is anything these days?) but close. We have lots of family arround us, and my mother in law has all the farm animals I want already, her way of trying to get us down there so she can have her grandbabies close by. Our neighbors also have farm animals, most of the people around us grow some amount of their own food, electricity and water lines are relatively new in that particular area, there is a huge lake nearby, plus a few rivers.

    Option 2 I’m not so sure about. I have plenty of places to go in Colorado, but I am very unsure of their resources. The plus side, I know, in my area, where every little thing is. I know where the elk and deer like to sit, I know where the good fishing is, I know every back road, trail and what have you. But non of my family there are preppers outside of hunting and a few winter items they keep in their vehicles.

    Option 3 would be me hunkering down here and I do NOT want to do that if we are at war. There are entirely way too many oil refineries close to me, the ports are entirely too close to me. I am just in a very bad spot. I have been telling DH that we need to move for about 6 years now and he just doesnt want to. Ugh….

    Shai, if something like this happens, make sure you and your family have your passports. We will stop and grab you on our way to Mexico. Lol. Safety in numbers going south of the border.

    • TG, DH and I do, but we will stick it out here. Too many of them there familial roots here with our kids and the Grandkids and elderly parents… But thanks!

  24. So WWIII is declared on our nation and not a single plan to fight for our freedom?? The event of an invasion is highly unlikely (3,000 of water on either side) and our military is vastly more advanced than any of the adversaries mentioned. I look to history as precedent: the Zimmerman telegram in WWI showed the unwillingness of our neighbors to turn against us and the domestic war effort in WWII shows the solidarity of Americans in support of foreign aggression. NK and a nuclear Iran are cause for concern but I believe China and Russia would not carry out a nuclear attack based on the Cold War concept of Mutually Assured Destruction. I’m a HS teacher in my thirties but fit and able bodied. I would enlist.

    • MichaelSee says:

      Justin, I applaud your attitude toward armed aggression toward the US, but I don’t think that Russia or China is going to rely on a “Red Dawn” plan of invasion (so as to capture our resources). I believe that they’ll just want to clear the chessboard of all our pieces and split-up whatever remains afterward.
      The MAD concept was flawed at best. Russia has/had one of the best Civil Defence programs in the world. Entire factories were moved into underground bunkers so as to be able to maintain productivity after the missles stop flying. Huge underground bunkers were built for politicians and workers. Massive food storage facilities were built and stocked (where do you think all those millions of tons of wheat that we sold ’em went?).
      China may not care of the “steel rain” falls. They have billions of people and probably couldn’t feed ’em all if WW3 actually starts. Years ago, the Chinese Primere stated that as long as the last man alive was a communist, then they had won!

  25. This has started. I am no where near ready for it. Congressman Keith Ellison says we need common sense gun laws, like the 2nd Amendment is not common sense enough for us, The dollar has no real worth, and as soon as other countries have made arrangements to
    do business elsewhere we are toast.We can not protect our water supply, and our power grid is old and rusted, undefended and in worse shape than our roads and bridges.Farmers are growing corn to make ethanol, not for animal feed, every year there are less and less livestock growers, and our food supply is dependent on importing food stuffs from other countries, so if the money supply is cut off from those countries we will starve to death, in a country that should be supplying the world! how ironic, but so too was Rome’s fall……

  26. Trying to get to the store at this point may be pointless most likely if they have any sense at all the gov’t will start immediate and mandated rationing. My guess is there is already a system designed waiting to be put into effect. And trying to bug out probly not gonna work either as my guess is all able bodied men between ages 18 and 50 will be required to full fill some defense capacity as all reserve and guard units will be activated for deployment. Isreal and Switzerland are smart enough to have everyone in the national guard already we will have to learn on the fly! But all the food preps will at lesst ease the rationing.

    • Urbancitygirl says:

      My hopes are that DH is past the age of being recalled to the Army.

      • Urbancitygirl;
        If my understanding is correct, if a person served and they can use your talents no matter what you age is …that person can/could be recalled. DH(before illness)could have been recalled because of his MOS, any of those with specialty training can be recalled. We understand that if you are not physically able to go to war, but can train new troops you will be put back into active service in your past field of expertise.
        Is there any one out there that knows differently? If so please let her know and us.

  27. Read or look up “3 Days of Darkness” you won’t be bugging out..

  28. grandma bear says:

    Get the grandkids and kids here! For those that live overseas helping financially anyway so they can hunker down. I agree with many of the above comments. I hope this announcement would not be a surprise and we would be ready. The only thing I would do is get all rigs and cans topped off with gas and diesel. Work a little harder at getting the wood in and a lot more serious about harvesting bambi. Good food for thought!

  29. Big Bear says:

    Open the good wine and put our survival plan into active status.

    This is the SHTF event we have feared and planned for. Since the collapse of the dollar (and all other currency’s) has occurred, the declaration of war on the US by those countries is nothing more than adding insult to injury. Whether or not they actually attack us with conventional or nuclear weapons, or invade our shores is not addressed in the scenario but, since the president is on TV, that means an all out attack has not yet happened. I suspect that his request for us to prepare for WW III would be redundant. We all would have known that war was coming as we watched the world’s financial collapse.

    • hvaczach says:

      In reality we have been fighting a financial WWIII already we borrow Chinese money so we can loan it to the Russian banks and third world countries anyways so in essence the lines are already drawn, China has no women for it’s young men and not enough resources to survive long term they need to strike soon, while numerically they have the advantage 20 years from things will look entirely different. They are at a point that they need to act they have been the largest military for along time and I think they are itching for a fight. The Russians are just riding the storm of a weak U.S. president and flexing a little local muscle, but if no one stands in there way I would hate to be a former satalite state cause the sickle and hammer are coming back!

  30. Donna in MN says:

    If these countries are hurt economically, they would want to steal from the US by invading . Our dollar collapsed means it is collapsed here as well and chaos will ensue fighting off our own and those who didn’t prepare at home.

    I may hunker down here but if their troops and bombs hit close to my isolated woods, I will buy with my coins a 5 year supply of bug spray and tick oil for my dogs, and flee to the extreme wilderness north of me where no one lives, no roads but animals trails, and nothing to conquer except mosquitos and bullets fired from my weapons.

  31. Survivor says:

    Go to Wally world and max out my credit cards getting anything I need that’s left. I’d concentrate on ammo and basic food stuff like rice, beans and salt. I’d have to find, and this is something I could do now, a well bucket in order to have fresh water from my well to supplement city water. Top off the tanks and containers with gas. Then we’d head off to the BOL.

    • Sagewolf says:


      At Ready made Resources they sell something that you can put down almost any well pipe to get the water out of the well. It is about 4 feet long and 3″ pipe and costs about $70 The web site is
      Product code # WELLB

      I bought one since I have a well also their are a lot of wells all over the place. While everyone if fighting over a pond lake or stream I will be going to abandoned homes with wells and get water hopefully unchallenged. The “bucket ” looks to be of good quality the only problem is its size which might make transporting it on a pack a little rough, but once you get one it may be possible to modify it by making it shorter or use it as a templet to make a small one yourself. Pipe is cheapish. You would need to make a valve of some kind that will allow water in and keep it when you pull it up full and into your containers. Also good strong rope so you do not lose it in the well.

      • Sagewolf, I’d think it’d become very easy to trade/barter those in a long grid down situation. But if the word gets out, it could lead to people guarding their wells. But I’d tell ppl how to make them, or trade them, to alleviate some of the suffering. & make a deal w/ couple neighbors w/ well -give them each one w/ a spare valve if they agree to let u get water from their well w/ ur’s.

        • Your right about people guarding their wells , since you would not have to do anything to the water. In most cases it would be safe to drink unless some moron tainted your well.

          Also since the water would most likely be safe you could offer to help protect their well and be allowed to use it to.

        • Survivor says:

          Most folks around here have a well house. I replaced my well house door with a heavy duty one and put a deadbolt on it. I also replaced the roof frame and bolted the thing to the cinderblock walls.
          Funny thing, it’s illegal here to use a well if city water is available.
          Sagewolf, thanks for the tip!!!

      • a check valve would do the job

        • k. fields says:

          Exactly! Those “well buckets” are nothing more than a 4′ piece of galvanized leader (down spout) with a flap-type check valve on the bottom and a additional piece of strap metal pop riveted to the top to tie a rope onto.
          You could definitely make one yourself very easily.

      • Southside says:

        Go over to Preparedness Advice Blog they have a design posted for a simple well bucket made of 2inch pvc.

  32. Honestly…I think I would pull up a porch chair and open a beer. This would give me time to think. Then I would likely send out the secret code to those involved if it has not already been sent. Then I would make sure my supplies were well placed if you get my drift. Lastly I would say a prayer for our world, and watch what happens.

    • Tomthetinker says:

      Kathy … Ying Ling! salsa and chips .. while loading Hi-Caps in the front room watching the street. and the tube.. and an ear to the Ham… waiting for the family to check in… a porch chair would be a lil hairy in my neck o the hood.

  33. Tomthetinker says:

    The war is already ‘Declared’ and our Dear Leader has already gotten on the tube and announced the official panic:

    This sort of news may be delivered to us in far worse ways that we have all thought about.. BEFORE TDL speaks. Accounts have already been frozen. Wholesalers have already been informed that ‘restocking’ grocery stores is now in the hands of DHS. Pharmacy restocking and possibly current stocks of MEDs are now in the hands of DHS. All… fuel sources are now managed by DHS. Do browse through the NDAA. Any … Thing the public wants or NEEDs will be limited to the current shelf stocks being fought over as you are thinking about where your car keys are hanging. The general public will be in complete panic mode and lethal. By the shear number of outlets, there are not enough LEOs or DHS to ‘protect’ and conserve the resources available … If you worked at a Kroger Store or Rite-aid, what do you think you would do … not really a question.

    What do I know I can buy and where?:

    Nothing! Nothing worth risking limb or life by going to any of the local markets. Gas stations. Hardware stores. Stay at home and, WHILE RIGGING FOR.. bugin or bugout, see below. Remember .. War has been Declared. TDL has already put all executive orders, directives, yadayada in effect before or as he is telling us that we in the private and non-essential Gov. classes .. are humped. If I’m out of the house … sheeeeeeeee it.


    Phone those with hard wire lines. Assuming nothing cellular will be anything but clogged shut … voice/text the short list and hope they receive them. Send my pre-written email to all. Get on line and check out this very blog site. (Yeah its part of my .. plan) Wish you all the best of luck and give you the meet up locations I’ll check and what to look for. Run the Slim Jim out the attic window and heat up the ham set and hang it on my belt. It is an assumption, here and now, that any or all of these media are functional. Heat up the big screen and watch the circus unfold.

    This… is like figuring out what your going to do with the lottery winnings you haven’t won yet…… This… makes me read over what I hope IS a plan.

    Consilio – Parare – Superese Packers…………….

    • Jersey Drifter says:

      Good points TTT. DHS will have thing shut down tight. Might as well bug in and watch what goes down instead of getting caught up in the panic.
      As far as leaving for another country as some have suggested, I don’t want to be a ” REFUGEE ” any more than I want to go to a “FEMA Camp “

  34. Rod Zeigler says:

    If you wait until the balloon goes up to get what you can at any store, you are years too late. The signs are all there for this, or even worse, to become a reality. As to the military, with our current leadership it would probably take a coup to actually mobilize them for defensive purposes. Offensive purposes would absolutely require a coup. THIS is what many of us have been getting ready for, and hoping against hope that we would ever need to execute our plans.

  35. There is lots of talk of the dollar collapse and how it will hurt the US. The US is the largest economy and consumer of products in the world. If our economy implodes where will China and most of the other countries of the world sell their products. Sure they will be able to sell to other countries but none will buy at the level of the US consumers. There will be worldwide economic failures and job loss and a lot of the countries just pulling their people out of extreme poverty will suffer as well. We may be hated worldwide for our excesses but that is part of what is pulling billions of people out of basic subsistence and starting to lead better lives.
    Then again that may be what scares the Elitist powers that be the most and they realize that the World may be on the tipping point of them losing their power and WILL cause a WWIII to keep Their way of life.
    Heaven help us all….

  36. Plan A: Do what the Navy would be doing: Get the heck away from Pearl Harbor (Our house overlooks it. Bad, bad, bad location in a nuke war). Get to family on the Mainland. Fat chance: everybody else would be doing the same thing.

    Plan B: Sit on the lanai with my DW, watch the sun go down, watch the New Sun appear about 1000 feet above Pearl Harbor. End of worries.

  37. Hillbilly Hank says:

    My dumb liberal neighbor will be perplexed that his rental cabins are full of my survival group buddies. My home and BOL are 20 miles apart. I will be using both accordingly.

    • National unrest and opposing political views justifies unlawful occupation of private property? The police come to evict your survival buddies, a SWAT vs. law breaking citizen firefight erupts. The police are portrayed as militarized thugs over HAM frequencies when in fact the squatters are said thugs. A self fulfilling prophecy.

      • I’m not sure that Hillbilly Hank said or implied anything about unlawful occupation. He may have meant that a lot of preppers would be showing up, cash in hand, to rent the rentals.

        • Hillbilly Hank says:

          Naw, I meant we would be taking it . The situation is that an occupying force from multiple countries is here, I think the laws are out the window. The comments were not to include all opposing political views, just my jerk of a neighbor.

          • Jersey Drifter says:

            Poor neighbor 🙂 I have one that is a jerk also. I don’t even talk to him or his wife. Why waste my time anymore than I have in the past.

            • Survivor says:

              I know my neighbors but have only been in one of the 5 surrounding homes. That was to fix an old pastors computer.
              I wave to my neighbors when I see them, I help them when they need it, but I keep the socializing and conversation to almost nil.
              I had an issue with my new neighbors grandchildren throwing stuff over the fence. I simply gathered it up and took it to her. She informed me she was gonna whip them for it. I told her don’t, they were only kids. We smile and wave at each other now with no hurt feelings.
              I don’t loan or borrow anything, but I will give them the last egg in the house if they need it and ask.
              My blood pressure stays low, I can focus on more important stuff and gives the neighbors someone to talk about.

  38. DB Prepper says:

    My brother, roommate, and father would head East (I am in Socal and I would imagine a prime invasion point for China and/or Russia) to the mountains in the Sequoya National Forest. It is a pretty secure location off the beaten path and I am comfortable we could ride a WW3 event out for at least a year or so on current provisions, maybe another 2 months foraging and hunting without too much trouble (although it could be a lean winter if we ran out of food in late fall). We have already begun stocking warm clothes and have 3 months of food stored there now, with the remaining 9 months still at my house. I don’t have any arms there yet, so we’d need to make sure we had all of our guns before we high-tailed it!

    Depending on advancement of enemy troops I would try and form an insurgency and irritate the enemy for as long as I could.

    • I think that the armed American population could put up a fight against an invading force. I just don’t see an amphibious or paratroop invasion being possible against the contiguous 48.

      • Survivor says:

        That was the advice Yamamoto gave the Japanese emperor at the start of WWII. He said that to invade America would be suicidal because ‘there is a gun behind every blade of grass’. I just wonder what countries are going to support the rebels in an American civil war with weapons, uniforms and cash. You know, kinda like the US does?

  39. I would learn to speak Russian and Chinese as quick as possible. It never hurts to know the enemy’s language. China is what I would worry about the most. The have 4 times the population of the US and have the means to move them all here with their cargo ships. Of course that means squat if Russia starts a nuclear war. On a good not maybe all the illegal immigrants would start leaving. I imagine there would be a bottle neck at the borders for all the emigrants joining them.

    • MichaelSee says:

      Dan, learning Spanish would probably be a good idea as well. With you living in SoCal it might come in handy on a regular basis even now.
      Mandarin Cinese is supposed to be one of the hardest languages to learn to speak properly. It’s tonally-based. Said one way, a phrase means “I’m very glad to meet you” and said another way it means “your grandmother is a donkey”. Chinese diplomats regularly insult Americans not truely fluent in mandarin using this pecularity of their language.

  40. Tomthetinker says:

    I wonder… we have been fighting proxy wars all over the planet. We.. the United States .. are involved in ongoing coups and destabilization of legitimate Governments all over the planet. Our export of spineless currency is mathematically out of our control. It could be said that some folks .. well .. they simply hate US (play on words). War .. mayhaps. Invasion .. Really .. comeon .. We, the Russians, the ChiComs none of us have the boots to occupy any of the others with out we the people letting it happen. The Persians couldn’t conquer the Greeks but they did Occupy a chunk of the City States until they could not afford to any longer. The Romans, Germans, Soviets only “Occupied” the lands they invaded. It took the locals to step forward and man the Der Grun Politsi, Der Stasi, Vichy Police / Malice the ‘non-Roman’ legions that Occupied with the help of those willing.. to gain what control they could…….. Ohhhhhh Rant over. Day Dreams and Whimsy.

  41. Patriot Farmer says:

    I would head to the local box stores and pick up what ever food, ammo, water, and camping supplies I could get my hands on. But if the war moved quickly to a shooting war I live a 100 miles west of Detroit, 200 miles east of Chicago and about 150 miles east of two nuclear power plants, so I’m not in a great position. My plans are to bug in as long as possible as I have no viable bug out options.

  42. I believe this scenario is fairly unrealistic. Iran and North Korea have been at war with us for decades. The only reason we haven’t been attacked with nuclear weapons as yet is because they either don’t have them yet and/or they don’t have a suitable delivery system. Or they haven’t received permission from their masters.

    Russia has been in bed with Iran for years and you could say that we are already at war with Russia via proxy. The same is true of China and North Korea. Venezuela and Cuba are Russian allies with ready access to the continental US.

    I believe the first indicator we will have that we are at war with Russia/China will be when the lights go out, transportation grinds to a halt and our electronics let out the small puffs of smoke they all contain. I have my doubts about our leadership leveling the playing field at that point. This will leave our foes in the position of sitting back for some period of time while nature takes its course.

    • Tomthetinker says:

      Ishimo .. that plot may be in the Russian version of the conflicted deck………. sitting back would be the cheapest way to do it.

    • Survivor says:

      Something you said sparked a question.. What if iran and venezuela, under the umbrella of China and Russia’s growing military and economic might, decided to take the ruble for their oil….holy crap!!

      • Russia has been considering dropping the dollar as reserve currency for several years now. With the Ukraine crisis and Russia being the EUs largest source of natural gas, that likelihood of that happening has increased dramatically.

        The Chinese yuan is another currency many countries have looked at as an alternate. Again it’s a growing possibility every day.

        OPEC recently hosted a conference by invitation only to discuss the possibility of a petro based currency to be adopted as reserve currency. Several EU countries, China and Russia were all in attendance. The US was not invited.

        If we lose the advantage of the US dollar being the worlds reserve currency, expect rampant inflation and eventually economic collapse. Under the current lack of leadership coming out of Washington, it’s doubtful that the necessary steps would be taken to recover.

      • Survivor,
        While your scenario works OK with Iran and the’r relatively sweet ccrude, Venezuela would b out of luck, because the crude they produce is more like the tar sand crude, and as far as I know, can only be processed by a few refineries along the Gulf here in the US.

        • Survivor says:

          That’s how I understand it, as well. That’s a good point and I believe Venezuela is one of our primary sources of oil so she would have to take dollars, like it or not. The only thing she could really do is shut off supply. That opens a whole new box of worms…

  43. Tomthetinker says:

    All most forgot… An invitation to the Pack.

    Meet on the Maumee River

    Saturday July the 12th.

    Breakfast till the rangers close the gates at dusk.
    At .. Le Roush DeBoeu, [or.. Ox Rock], No. end of Farnsworth Meto-Park. ala Lucas County Metro-Parks.
    This is just So. of Toledo & the Town of Waterville, Ohio. on the ‘Old’ Anthony Wayne Trail.

    I will supply charcoal, eggs and summer sausage for breakfast and Costco Hot Dogs and Bunnage for lunch A community bean pot will be available for those that would like to make up a hobo lunch or dinner. Grills are available. Complete restrooms. The park cabin is available with a min head count. the Park also offers a river side hike or bike trail from Le Roush south to Providence Dam. Could be hot .. could not .. the view is mystic the woods are a wonder. The conversation could be pleasant.

    With regards….. Thomas T. Tinker { consilio-parare-superesse Packers…..}

    Google the park … think it over … RSVP to:

    [email protected]

    We can run through this conflicted deck o cards while we swill a Gator aid…..

    • Thomas, thanks for the gracious invite, & wish I could make it. But doubt I’ll be able to afford the 1200-1400 mi journey. Best wishes.

    • TTT,
      I wish I could say yes it sounds like fun. I am hoping to be in OH for a high school reunion but it is on the other side of the state just south of Canton and it is in Sept. Who knows something might happen. I will definitely keep it in mind.

  44. tommy2rs says:

    I’d set up a stand selling bacon wrapped, battered and deep fried oreo’s on a stick to the invaders. Eventually their arteries will clog and they will die.

    Might add chicken fried bacon, deep fried twinkies, fried coke, funnel cakes and deep fried mars bars to the menu to cast a wider net. Death by Texas State Fair food, resistance is futile for invaders not used to its sultry siren call.

    • Oh, hell, Tommy, we could make a mint in gold setting up a chain of those stands now!

    • hvaczach says:

      Oooh I am not a foreign invader but I want a deep fried twinkie! And lets go out on a limb everyone has had fried rice let’s invent DEEP FRIED RICE! It’s for national defense people. tommy2rs add a case of Busch light and I think you just described my personal heaven!

    • tommy2rs

      What, No deep fried butter?

      • And waste good butter that be made into a dipping sauce for all the deep fried goodies? I think not.

      • Fried pickles.

        • tommy2rs says:

          Crispy dogs. Hot dogs rolled in a corn tortilla and deep fried until crispy and served with a side of chile con queso to dip it in as you eat. Double heart attack….lol

          Deep fried smoked bologna served on white bread with a double helping of mayo.

          and for the vegans chicken fried tofu on a stick

  45. expose_the_devils says:

    I would not see it……lol. If did happen to catch a clip of it somewhere I would LAUGH and continue doing whatever. The so called war has been on now for over a decade with tons fear mongering from yellow alerts, orange alerts, amber alerts, terrorist here, terrorists there, terrorists everywhere, shoe plots, underwear plots, media propaganda, mixed with Hollywood props, its silly actually and ALL contrived with overt collusion and based on lies……ITS ALL FAKE. We cannot make rational decisions from a position of fear……….and thats the point for doing it. I’ll believe it when I see it, not when someone says it…………

  46. Well, I don’t think I would cut and run. Probably would improve my Nuclear survivalbility. Might follow some of the Hollywood movie advice and fight like Red Dawn or some of the other Zombie flicks. I read somewhere there are enough rifles and handguns to arm every tree and bush in America. My Souther cousins are a pretty good shot too. Afganistan was able to beat the Russians off and us too. VietNam defeated the French and the US. Imagine how they would fare if they invaded our homeland territory. although our policy is no first use of Nukes, I’m sure they would be used in a tactical sense to prevent access to key places. Ever wonder what the 24 Armed nuclear missiles are on the submarines for? If Russia/China launch on the US territories, do they feel they will suffer any less on their own home countries? Keep building your preps for disasters and you may survive and live to tell your grandchildren about WWIII…..

    • Tactical G-Ma says:

      I’m not so sure that a nuclear strike would be used. All that would be necessary is imports to be stopped. We have become a society of consumers. Cut off all the food and luxury items brought into this country and those with resources will be moving to the UK or Europe. The austerity and lack of goods and services will cause us to implode. After 2/3 of the population dies or leaves, it will be much easier for the oppressors to carve up the nation and it’s resources. By then someone coming in offering relief of any kind will be greated favorably. I just don’t know why any of those coutries except maybe China would want to occupy the States.

      • hvaczach says:

        I agree in that nuclear is unwanted by all parties, If they go to war with us they want us in one piece. It is all about resources we have alot comparative to much of the world (we are younger than most industrialized nations) Nuking us just destroys us and net’s them very little.

        • Your right if I was them I would sow chaos and have us kill each other. Then I would step in and finish us off and occupy America and move a lot of my people if I was from like China.

      • Why would anyone want to occupy the US? Natural resources. Russia would be glad to take over Alaska for the oil. WY, TX, OK, PA & a few other states also produce oil. Those same states plus N Dakota (the new wild west boom towns!) produce nat gas. Wood in the form of trees are still harvested in the states. The big wind farms, & agricultural areas tend to have good land for crops. Of course, some of these may be destroyed or contaminated during a war.

        • The US nuked Nagasaki & Hiroshima almost 70 years ago and they have rebuilt those cities into masterpieces. Someone lied when they said the radiation would last for 1000’s of years and make the ground untenable. Airbursts would be the way to go to avoid residual contamination. Nukes would not harm the oil, minerals, and other precious commodities if an airburst is used. Someone mentioned the logistics of the nightmare in trying to ferry/move all the troops and equipment to our shores. We did it in Normandy with horrendous consequences, but we managed. Our military is getting scaled down, so who will protect our freedoms and promote democracy? The socialist government only cares for the fat guys. Look at all the underground survival options in place for the Congress and Cabinet members.

          • Sagewolf says:

            The politians need to insure the countiuation of government. But here is my take why should we save those politians when they caused the problem that warranted their survival shelters anyway .

          • Methane,
            You state in part, “Someone mentioned the logistics of the nightmare in trying to ferry/move all the troops and equipment to our shores. We did it in Normandy with horrendous consequences, but we managed”.
            There are just a few slight differences. The distance from UK to Normandy is about 25 miles, the distance across either ocean to the U.S. shores, is 100 times that? The Normandy invasion took place at night, with no moon, and was a surprised to the Germans. Crossing either Ocean, would shall we say be much more problematic, especially since our Navy, even with the cuts from TDL is still one of, if not the most powerful on the planet, and convoys taking days to get here would simply be suicide on their part. I could go on, but you should get the gist of the problem with just these two points.

            • Tactical G-Ma says:

              If they can’t find a plane in 3 weeks with no less than a dozen satellites, and hundreds of ships, Russia should be able to make it here without anyone noticing. Besides there are probably a few thousand old KGB operatives still here!

              • Tactical G-Ma
                There are only a handful of ships in the southern Indian Ocean. When it comes to maritime shipping that area has very little. They are also looking for the remains of an airplane not a fleet.

                • Tactical G-Ma says:

                  I was just trying to be funny.

                  For real, for real, they’ll just wait for the Bearing Strait to freeze over and drive across. But once they reach Colorado, they won’t care about much more than the munchies! So those of us to the South and East will sit back with our SWEET Tea and turnip greens!

                  • Or we could feed them boiled peanuts and RC Cola.

                  • Tactical G-Ma
                    Please save me some sweet tea and greens, should I ever get back that way again. Born in the West but eat like a southerner, guess it was from hanging out with my step dad’s sister…….man could that lady cook……yum.
                    Oh, and I am thankful I was not drinking coffee when I read your posting.;-)

        • RedC,
          OMG, are you saying that the Russians would drill in ANWR (Arctic National Wildlife Refuge)? That would mean real war on them from the greenies, so we have nothing to fear.

      • Survivor says:

        Because we are still rich with natural resources!!

  47. I guess I would just keep on doing what I’ve been doing, prepping and gathering supplies…only a lot more of it, and more quickly.
    IMHO, I think this scenario is already playing out, except for the official collapse and the declaration of war. I don’t think those countries would need to use propaganda, but I’m sure the USG would say they are.

  48. Benjammin says:

    Given that scenario, I guess I’d be breaking out my Rosetta Stone CDs and brushing up on my Russkie and Mandarin. I could probably get up to speed before they got to my neck of the woods.

    As for Texas, they better think twice about invading that area. There’s enough munitions and equipment buried in that state they are a major world power unto themselves. They’d have an easier go of it (and probably be welcome with open arms) coming in through Cali and Florida. Texans have a scorched earth policy anyways. They’d rather die leaving the whole state uninhabitable and a death zone in perpetuity than let invaders take it over. Don’t mess with Texas.

    I’d find some out of the way place up here to occupy, where I can get by with what I have, and live out my days the best I can.

    • CountryVet says:

      They might take us, but they will KNOW they have been in a fight! I guarantee my family and friends will not go down easy!

  49. Seeing as how I’d be called up for the Army Reserve before I got a chance to disappear. I’d cache all of my weapons and gear long term. If we win I’d be able to retrieve them later. If not, perhaps I’ll live long enough to make it to them, ditch the ACUs and join a resistance movement.

  50. off topic (sort of) did anyone see the article where tdl says he’s not worried about Russia, more concerned with a nuclear blast in Manhattan? just read it……

    Is the next red flag being waved in our faces?

  51. Encourager says:

    The first thing I would do would be move my oldest back here with all his stuff. He got me started prepping.
    2nd. Send oldest son and dh to bring home youngest son and all his stuff. Hopefully he will not be traveling for work overseas.
    3rd. While they are gone, I would hire a fencing company to get fencing up.
    4th. I would buy two pregnant Dexter cows and a Dexter bull, not related to either cow.
    5th. Would stock the chicken coop with chickens.
    6th. Would fill barn with alfalfa hay and straw. Buy chicken feed, dog food, enough for two years. And grain seed to grow own chicken food and alfalfa field.
    7th. Would buy and set up indoor growing tubs.
    8th. Would buy yards and yards of blackout material and get started sewing.
    9th. Would hire local farmer to plow up back field and plant alfalfa.

    That is a lot to get done! Hopefully I will have started a lot of it, other than moving sons back, before SHTF.

  52. Tophatman says:

    Nice question.

    Immediately stock up on perishables, fresh milk, vegetables, meats assuming we can and it’s safe to do so. (Yes we have dehydrated, freeze dried, canned and bulk goods that will get the immediate group through 18 months (give or take) at 2800kcals a day.)

    But if the end of the world is coming, then I’m going to have a few ‘last meals’ out of fresh before I start breaking out the EOTW foods.

    Top off the gas containers. Put the cover on the pool. Change the water in the water drums (one at a time).

    Freshen up the perishable items (MRE’s, snack bars, candies) in the GO bags, lay in some extra supplies in the vehicles that we don’t normally keep in there for space reasons.

    Go over the ways out of the city with everyone, get in touch with everyone and have them make sure their short range and HAM radio gear is operational. Make sure everyone knows the current rally points and the order to try them in. Make sure everyone has the current phrase/code book printed out.

    Hold a group council and do a ‘group think’ to hash out what we’re hearing and reading.

    Load magazines and stripper clips, don’t normally keep everything loaded, springs losing their tension may or may not be ‘real’ but why take unnecessary risks.

    Use the ‘in case of expected search and seizure’ cache tubes to get spare items out of the house and out of easy reach of searchers.

    Update all the thumbdrives/memory sticks with the current data.

    Most of the above would be to just get ‘current’ on everything and to keep everyone to busy to worry. If you’re not already ready for general disasters then hours before the balloon goes up is not the time to start getting ready.

  53. patientmomma says:

    I would get out a message to all the kids and grandkids to be on their way to the mountain BOL. I would immediately head for the mountains to a tiny town full of patriots where my small BOL of last resort is located. It would take me a few days to get there but once there, it is almost fully stocked. These people have been hunted by predators before so they don’t take kindly to perverts or foreigners.

  54. k. fields says:

    Countries declare war against the US due to the death of the dollar? Well, maybe our European allies would feel like doing that, but China and Russia? No, I can’t see it. They’ve been wanting a collapse of the dollar backed markets and preparing for it for years – why risk a global war when they have finally achieved what they have desired? The US would become a third world power with the same problems all countries before us have had when their currency collapsed. Rather than declare war, I imagine China and Russia would be sending aid and slowly setting up a different political system here like we have attempted to do in the past to so many other countries. No war, just smiles and chocolate bars. “You poor people, your government was corrupt and deceived you for all these years, but don’t worry, we’re here to help.”

    But anyway, in the scenario listed here it’s time for WWIII – what would I do?

    Well, not much. In the early 1970’s I moved to this location specifically because I feared a global nuclear exchange – so now 40+ years later after spending my whole life preparing (no career, etc. other than preparing this homestead), if I’m not ready, there would be nothing I could do last minute to get myself there.

    Power grid failures? No problem. This place has never been on the grid and the homestead I grew up on in TN wasn’t either. In fact, the only time I’ve ever lived on the grid is when I’ve worked for the DOD.

    Food? No problem either (well, except for coffee, some spices, chocolate and good wine – all of which I’ll miss dearly). After 5 years of living here, I was growing and raising enough food to support my family with a limited, though nutritious, diet. All the years since then have been spent simply refining everything. Crops are now acclimated to this specific environment (weather patterns, growing season, rain fall, salt-laden air) through saving and replanting the seeds every year of the most healthy specimens. I have enough of my own products stored to get through 2 failed planting cycles and an additional year of “long term” commercially packed food stuffs. The local coffee roasting company would be able to supply coffee for a good while if they stopped exporting their product from the local area, same with the local wineries, the micro-brewery and the local fishing industry. As an individual, I’m surrounded by hundreds of thousands of acres of forest rich in game and wild foods and the Pacific Ocean is on my back door. The ocean alone in this area can provide all the nutrition a person might need.

    Water? Three wells, large storage tanks and a small spring fed pond – none of which have ever failed through CA’s on and off cycles of drought. Crops are chosen and irrigation designed for minimal water use. Distillation of the ocean water? Possible. Although I’ve never done it on a large scale, there is plenty of fuel available if there was a will and need.

    Nuclear fall-out? First thing I did upon moving here was to build a hidden fall-out shelter – even before I build my family’s home. That was, of course, my whole reason for being here. It can theoretically house 4 people for a year, has it’s own well inside the shelter and septic system, and contains the necessary seeds to restart all my current crops on a limited scale. The seeds are rotated every year to assure they are viable. My only regret there is that I have no way to protect the livestock long term. They could survive for a while in the barn where they are used to staying at night anyway due to the amount of feed stored and the spring fed water troughs, but the barn doesn’t provide any significant radioactive protection.

    What if I must “bug-out” for some reason? Large caches are in place, 1 a day’s mule ride north, 1 a day’s ride east and 1 to the south (ocean is on the west). Each contains about a month’s worth of supplies and weapons for 2 people which hopefully will give me enough time and materials to get back into my homestead.

    But bugging-out does bring up one point – on hearing a declaration of war, I’d be sure the sailboat gets moved closer to home. Plans are that if anything were to happen, a friend that lives further south will bring the boat up and shelter herself here, but I’d want to be sure that happens as she spends a lot of time traveling and may be unavailable. We’ve made a couple of trips to Hawaii on it and numerous trips down to Baja so if I had to really get away and hide, that’s how I would do it.

    But would I just hide out? Probably not at first. I’ve worked for the Coast Guard as an auxiliary member for years (yes, I have a certificate on my wall saying I’m a “founding member of the Department of Homeland Security”), so I’d continue that role and also do what I could to help the local coastal community deal with whatever came up. A number of the local militia groups already have plans in place to close the few roads that provide access to this area of the coast if a scenario like this was to occur (an easy task as the roads would close themselves almost every winter from slides without constant work by county and state road crews to keep them open) so the area would have to rely on local resources which would take a lot of coordination.

    It’s funny, it seems all my life I’ve prepared for such a scenario. I must admit there’s a little part of me that would almost like to see a collapse so I’d finally be able to find out if I’ve simply been bullshitting myself as to my abilities and preps all these years – but then I sit and enjoy the sunset and hope that things will never ever change.

    • Tactical G-Ma says:

      Wow, k.!

      You have resources most only dream of! The only bad thing is you are on the west coast! 🙂

      You might want to consider making room for some small beasties. You know like Noah.

      If anything happens, as many of my critters are coming inside with me as possible

      I just pray all our prepping is just an exercise in futility!

  55. When the USD dies, there’s going to be a whole lot of financial/economic hurt in the US & also in the whole world to some extent.
    Russia, China, Iran, North Korea and Venezuela -I can see how all these nations would be mad on the US, but one question is: Would their mutual hate of the US be enough to get them to cooperate in fighting a war vs US? Maybe, & maybe they wouldn’t have to coordinate that much, to all go at the US in different ways/directions.

    What would I do? Tell my wife that we need to increase our food stocks, & use credit card if needed. Order some more non GMO seeds asap. -hopefully b/4 prices go up too much. Go around to talk to neighbors, find out which have weapons for self-def if needed, & guage their ethics & if we want to cooperate w/ them on a neighborhood watch/security system. Pray for wisdom about this.
    Get 2 more rain barrels. Offer to send our daughter in a big city a pepper spray & $$$ after I express my concern for her safety (she”s a pacifist), & encourage her to get some extra food & water. Tell our son in a big city to stock up on water & food asap; he already has a bunch of guns & ammo.

    Expand the garden & plan a way to secure it.
    To be honest, this gives me a bit of anxiety… b/c I’ve been thinking we had at least 2 yrs from war or attack on US. & altho we’re better prepared than most, our preps are still not where I’d like us to be. However, I do think having some preps & being in the “prepper mentality/way of thinking” gives me/us a headstart.

  56. In a WW 3, it’s practically impossible for us to know it’d affect each of our locations. But a few things in common for all Americans if the USD hits the dirt – higher food prices, more demand & higher prices for guns & ammo esp if US is attacked on Amer soil. I think the collapse of the USD would cause severe financial/economic problems for all US residents -inflation, stock market bear or collapse, would likely trigger US govt to take a % of retirement acct’s. Banks, credit unions, & credit card com’s would die when the USD becomes worthless. Bartering/trading would explode, along w/ flea markets, etc. U’ll find great deals on large flat screen TVs, but hard to find any kind of radio, unless the cell ph com’s find a way to keep their systems going. Would the elect com’s be able to keep the electricity flowing? (I’d guess this would be a huge govt priority, to assuage the masses.)

  57. I don’t think I would do much of anything. If they start tossing nukes at us, I would head downtown, open a nice single malt scotch and invite the prettiest woman I see to sit and have drink with me. I don’t want to live in a nuclear wasteland. And if the big boys on the block start trading nukes, that what the world would be.
    As far as a conventional war, not even a concern. All those countries together don’t have the sea/air lift capability to sustain a military invasion of CONUS. And even if they made it across the ocean, then got a foot hold some where, Americans would be shooting at them from every angle. Liberals, conservatives, hippies, rednecks, KKK, Crips and Bloods. We’d all put aside our differences and kick the S**T out of the invaders. Nothing brings people together faster than a common enemy.

    • We can only hope your right. I could go the other way to.

    • They don’t need to invade, just drop a few miles in LA and San Francisco from the west coast, the chaos that will come will take care of the rest.

      Look at pictures of Damascus today and 10 years ago, you’ll see what I mean.

    • Survivor says:

      Not happening in Syria and didn’t happen in Libia. Each group fighting for control of the government and fighting each other for power. Sadly, I would expect the same thing here.

  58. When the invaders arrive, play recordings of BO’s speeches. They’ll die laughing.

  59. I can’t see doing much more than I’ve already done. I have prepared commodity wise and also spiritually, so either way I should be fine, (2Cor_5:8) I think I would probably just look up, because I think my redemption is about to draw nigh. (Luk_21:28)

  60. Take the fight to them, they will not win, if we go take them with us. Long live the republic!

  61. THis Conflicted scenario makes it seem like the USD dies all at once, like from a heart attack. I’m among those who think there’s more than a 50% chance it’s more of a longer process… of at least several yrs. It’s going to take those 5 US-hating nations 5-8 mths to gear up to attack the US in a coordinated attack.

    & I suspect that the NSA has made very difficult to have secret conversations. As Jimmy Carter just said, if he wanted to communicate confidentially to a foreign leader, he’d write a letter & mail it. So how exactly are the leaders of those 5 nations going to communicate w/o the NSA eavesdropping?

    • I think that there would be no direct attack in most cases. With the dollar dead and our military stretched thin, N Korea attack the south, Iran attacks Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and some of the other middle east states to secure their oil resources. Argentina would probably do nothing; but Russia could move east into Poland and other former Soviet holdings, while China attacks Taiwan, and at least a portion of the Japanese islands. In that case it’s a non nuclear proxy war, against which we probably would have little or no defense, especially under the current administration. The only wild card might be Israel who would most likely use the nuclear option if they were about to be driven into the sea.

      • Survivor says:

        Israel would be crushed in hours from a coordinated attack of its neighbors and groups bent on her destruction. Syria and Egypt are not a threat at the moment, but I wonder how quick they’d jump in once the shooting started. They’d be like a hungry pack on a limping dog. Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran and every almost every muslim would be happy to destroy Israel. Iran is building an aircraft carrier and seeking nuclear weapons.
        Saudi would have to make a choice:
        1. defend Israel who they suspect have nuclear capability and don’t want Iran to have. This is doubtful. No muslim would kill another to save a Jew.
        2. make peace with Iran and let them rule the gulf states (oil) with an iron fist of shia islam. This would be unacceptable.
        If Iran controls the oil they control what currency they will take for it.
        I don’t think our current leadership is capable of handling anything of this magnitude.

        • Survivor,
          If “Israel would be crushed in hours” then I suspect the Middle East would go nuclear in those same hours. As for “No Muslim would kill another to save a Jew” there are some issues to consider. The Muslims have two major sects: Sunni and Shea, and they are often killing each other over interpretation of the Koran. Add to that that Iran is not an Arab state, and is historically Persia, over which there are yet other issues with the Saudis. In the end, pragmatism and survival instinct of some of the Arab countries may well go in Israel’s favor.

          • Survivor says:

            It kinda depends on when that pragmatism and instinct kicks in. I think, in this case only, all of them will want to take a swipe at Israel. After she’s down then they’ll start fighting amongst themselves.

            Don’t overlook what muslim jihadists are willing to sacrifice and what/who they’re willing to do to go to paradise having died for islam. Once the attack is launched on Israel and she lets the arab world know she’s about to collapse by going nuclear the folks at home will gladly die in that big, hot mushroom knowing Israel will be done. You can bet the Arabs know, or at least have a good idea. what cities will be targeted.

            Allah better kick up that Virginity Restoration program up a notch or two…

  62. 3rdgen4wars says:

    My wife and i both have decent careers but i still feel our generation should ve been calledd the “day late dollar short” ggeneration.(we’re early 40’s)…so i say lets get it on & may the spoils go the victor! Aren’t you all tired of our govts lies & greed? I mean we need a serious reset.

  63. There are rough times ahead all the same as a result of this clown and the three ring circus he and the leadership in both parties. Potus is still trying to re-set us just like he re-set our relationship with Russia. The results will be the same. There are fools then there are damn fools. When our economy crashes so goes China and the EU. When they fail so goes Russia. There are no win scenarios for anyone, especially the bourgeoisie.

  64. CountryVet says:

    At this point I would just have to pray that I already had everything in place and RTG. My DD would immediatley head here wiht he kids. Several others would follow suit. Our DL would have already frozen all accounts, taken over the internet and other communications.Grocery stores would empty immediately and become a mob scene that I want nothing to do with. My last prep would be to bolster feed supplies. I would take the cash that I am holding, hook up the first trailer and go to the feed store and buy every bag of dog food in stock 20# and larger ( have already discussed with him.that if TSHTF I would want everybag of feed that he had and would pay CASH.) Since I know the manager well I would also prepay for additional loads of livestock feed to the extent of cash that I am holding. I would then get feed picked up and elocated as fast as humanly possible. I would then “blend into the terrain” and disappear as much as possible. PRAY that I have done everthing right, dotted all of the i’s and crossed all of the t’s.

  65. If time allowed I would bug out towards the west and hope to make it to friends west of the Pecos river. Otherwise we are pretty much stuck here in west Houston.
    If we hunker down here I can just hope to be far enough west of ground zero and the prevailing winds are to the east that day. If not then it does not matter anymore.
    On the other hand, If we survive long enough I’d organize the RV park the best I can and see what happens next. I have already checked local resources and threats. Defensive positions and such.

  66. China and Russia have already been attacking us. A military effort is way in the future if at all. They will have us beaten by economics, political corruption, (treason within our own government) and the complacency/ ignorance of the majority of the American population. China already owns 40% of our economy. The United States is falling right now, crumbling down before our eyes. We may not make it to 2016. Our military is exhausted and being neutered by the current ‘administration’. China and Russia know that America no longer has the backbone we once had. We are being infiltrated by the thousands. Muslims are going to do their dirty work, the FED and the world economy will take care of the rest. I believe we are being taken over by a silent coup. Designed by Russia and China, Iran, and probably half the other countries in the world. I believe that is one reason B.O. was -selected- to be the “President” and the ACLU began preaching mass tolerance for muslims before the smoke even cleared on 9/11. I know… sounds crazy, but is it really?

  67. expose_the_devils says:

    p.s…. the dollar is never going to crash…may devalue some, but dollars are the peg currency for drugs worldwide…..drugs, illegal and some legal was a 100 billion dollar business in america last year…..when people stop getting high, then its time to worry………..drug revenue worldwide is bigger than oil…….and meth and heroine production is higher than ever……………the dollar is safe for now.

  68. TDL wouldn’t have the guts to go on TV in the first place. His plan is to bug out long before he has to deal with any fallout. All the politicians have the same plan. Like Tac G said so well, they’ll be rats jumping ship. Texas? Texas will become The Republic of Texas once again if we can get Austin out of the hands of the traitors.

  69. I love the website, and the comments. Excuse my lack of knowledge, but it’s seems to me that no one would be able to mount an invasion if their enconomy is in the toilet. How could they while dealing with all of the chaos at home? Most men won’t join the military if they are desperate to feed their families, right.???

  70. The most vulnerable in the US are likely going to be the elderly, children, disabled, & those w/ chronic diseases such as diabetes, breathing disorders, etc. I encourage all of us to adopt 1 to 2 to 3 of those, depending on our resources, or arrange to help them anonymously. They will be the first to suffer & die. A limited amount of charity can make a bit difference in an EOTWAWKI situation.

    • Ug…need to edit: a bit difference was supposed to be a biG difference.

      • Sagewolf says:

        When the SHTF happens the strongest will survive what would come after. The weak in any way will be the first to die for example anyone who needs anti rejection drugs because of a transplant of some kind.

        • Sagewolf says:

          Another thing is this if a person is GOING to die no matter what we may do is it worth the food and or medicine we would use for them. I am not heartless , but a child would give more back than an elder that can not move or has Alzheimer’s. I guess the options you would take would depend if the event was obviously going to be years instead of just days. I know if a choice had to be made between a healthy child and me if I was in very bad health I would vote for the child to live. It would be hell to me if I lived at the cost of a child ( children are our future ) and still knew I was going to die anyway.

          Do all of you want to know what would happen if humanity had no Hope. We would destroy ourselves. So when you see a child laugh or play thank God. If we had no future what would be the point of living.

          • Tactical G-Ma says:

            Tough decisions will need to be made when TSHTF.

          • Watchdog says:

            Life is the reason to live without question. Every life is a complete world onto it’s own. Essentially we have no future, in the true sense, because we will all eventually die anyway. Young or old, it makes no difference.

    • Tactical G-Ma says:

      It will be good to take care of the infirm when SHTF but we sentient beings have gone against a biological imperative that the strongest of our species will be the ones to propagate and continue. I feels all we could possibly do is make the elderly and sick as comfortable as possible but the resources must go to the strong and the children. I know that my DH only has so many days of insulin and if you have read One Second After, insulin dependent people will die without insulin. Mentally ill without meds may have to be neutralized. People who are unable to care for themselves will die. It’s a painful thought but look at history. Even healthy children were turned out of their homes at very early ages because their families could not provide for them. It seems that the thought of such horror is totally inhumane but in fact our lifestyles today is unhuman. Dogs and cats wear jeweled collars and eat gourmet foods while our children are growing up in squalor and without hope for a future.
      I believe when the time comes and our life expectancy goes from 75 to 45 overnight and one in 10 babies will not survive childbirth we will become hardened to reality the way our grandparents were.

  71. Barney Fife says:

    Any supplies that cannot be relocated to bug out are distributed to trusted neighbors who will not be bugging out.
    Stock up on perishables, fuel, double check the inventory and top up.
    Stock up on fresh batteries if there are any left in the stores.
    Empty the accounts if they’ll let you.
    Gather Intel on route to BOL. Alter plan as needed. Avoid major cities en route, also military bases, major industrial centers, power plants, dams, etc.
    Monitor for traffic jams and government roadblocks.
    Communicate with the rest of the team to schedule convoy to bug out location. Plan for any extrication’s needed.
    Get out of Dodge. If you’re still in the city get out. Relocate to the BOL.
    Check the Geiger counters,
    Radio checks on all equipment.

  72. Draq Wraith says:

    Great now amazon has added code to their ad that makes it so it covers your text.
    OK for this event credit cards would be useless (remember what happened during the world trade center? The net was useless so the same thing would happen again due to credit cards being transfered over the net.)
    Second the there is no where to run in this scenario the amount of nuclear material thrown in the air if they use nukes would poison the land for all our forseeable future. 500 years or more.
    Collapses usually are caused by lack of resources, greed, oppression, and too many laws. Three countries teaming up against us would mean we have something they want. Repayment now would be our best defense.

  73. Mr. Bill says:

    I guess pretty much same things I’m doing now, given my resources and abilities. Keep on gardening, stocking up on food, and learning to be self-sufficient in as many ways as possible. And pray that it will be enough to get my family through.

  74. The last thing a lot of invaders would hear would be a resounding “oh, HELL, no” in female voices, because its too late once a Texas woman says that particular phrase. After all, Texas women kill their own snakes.

  75. I’d get with my “contacts” and we’d start preparing for WW3 and the aftermath…in case anything would be left. Try to establish ‘our’ communications and logistics(food, water, weapons, ammo medicines, transportation, etc). and make plans to evacuate the area, if necessary.

  76. Gee!! I missed that Presidential announcement.
    When & on what station did it appear?

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