Conflicted Tuesday



1x1.trans Conflicted Tuesday

We have worked out an exclusive deal with the publishers of the survival card game “Conflicted” where we will be posting one question per week from the deck for open discussion here on TheSurvivalistBlog.net.

You can buy your own Conflicted Deck here and play it with your friends and family…

Okay here we go…

A deadly flu outbreak has infected 1/3 of your group and you do not have the means to quarantine them, or the medicine to help them. Do you vote with the rest of your group to banish them from your group or do you take it upon yourself to eliminate the infected ones before it spreads any further? What other options would you consider?

Looking forward to the discussion in the comments below…

Comments

  1. Nemoseto says:

    it depends, flu is a historically devastating disease but not a guaranteed killer. it depends on a persons immune system. Europeans have a fairly strong resistance to it and deadly outbreaks in the past generally killed less than 10% of the population at worst. while Native Americans have little or no resistance and historic outbreaks could kill off 99% of the population. the elderly and very young usually have weaker immune systems and are more susceptible. disease resistance has a lot to do with “helper T cells” in the immune system. a person may or may not get sick depending on the combination of T cells they have. being of Irish ancestry, fairly young and fit I would bet I could take it and recover (never had a flu shot in my life, walked it off every year). I cannot guarantee the sick members in the group won’t recover, and cannot guarantee the rest will get sick. if 1/3rd of the group is already sick the rest are probably infected as well and just not noticeable yet. I would see to the sick until the flu ran its course and use a homemade face mask and plastic bags as gloves.

  2. Rob in Ontario says:

    I think the best option would be to give them supplies and ask them to leave and go a distance away , and to keep in contact , and when there is a set time frame passed they can return , or if no one does then the others will round up the supplies and bury them

    • Encourager says:

      Seriously?! You would send sick people out on their own, people that belong to YOUR group?! Tell them to ‘keep in contact’?? That would sure build up the trust, wouldn’t it?

  3. Happy Camper says:

    Given that the influenza virus has an incubation period of 1-7 days, it would be likely that more of the group will be showing symptoms within a week or two.
    Those that are unwell should be quarantined to ride it out. The healthy members of the group should be split further to minimise spread.
    Those that are immunocomprimised, young or old should be in their own group. It’s likely that the initial third of the group will recover in time to aid other members that become unwell, and as they have already been infected and recovered they should be immune to the virus.
    Most people no matter how unwell can generally manage basic personal care, such as hygiene, infections material disposal (in a pit or container to be burned off once or twice daily), maintaining hydration, monitoring body temperature.
    So I’d say, split into three groups, practice hygiene, manage symptoms and ride it out.
    Marauders can have infectious materials shot at them if necessary, a slingshot with some dirty tissues or undies will see anyone run for the hills.

    • Survivor says:

      White settlers used to gather blankets used by small pox victims and donate them to the local Indian tribes. Biological warfare….

      • Tactical G-Ma says:

        I thought that was done by the U.S. Army.

        • survivor says:

          Them, too!!

          • jamullins says:

            it is believed that small pox was was the reason fort william henry fell. the disease ripped through the garrison during a time when and indian attack was likely being instigated to utilize the fort’s defenses against the indians as a means to destabilize a pact of several powerful tribes. only, it didn’t work out to well with the loss of manpower. the ransacking of the the fort, prior to setting it ablaze, is most likely the source of small pox that many historians claim was used against the indians at that time. the burning of the fort would have complicated understanding where the disease originated from.

            small pox was so feared that most common folk would burn the bodies, the belongings, and the houses of those who died from it.

            the spanish are said to have used small pox against the aztecs once they realized how powerfully it affected them. it ,may seem logical to some degree, but during those times small pox was supremely feared due to its lethality. it was sort of a weapon of mass destruction back then, so i’m not so sure that the conquering spanish would have allowed such a threat to reside in a place so laden with readily accessible mineral wealth.

            gas was introduced to the battlefield in the first world war and was known for inflicting very traumatic and often horrific wounds that lead to an immensely powerful terror factor. but, gas didn’t inflict the number of casualties that machine guns, artillery, or even sniping produced. it was similar to an early flame thrower or areal bombardments, the psychological factor was far more powerful than the weapon’s actual ability to create masses of wounded men.

            but, small pox was still around during ww1 and no one chose to use small pox bombs. for that matter the influenza killed a huge majority of the dead lost in that war. after the war if would spread around europe and ameirca killing thousands upon thousands here.

            out of safety i would vote to split the infected members away from the group. it would be better to actually just end their suffering knowing there was no medicine and scarce supplies. but, i would at least vote for safety of the group. even knowing it meant i could be left behind to die if i got sick under those circumstances.

            • Thanks for clearing that up jamullins… when will people quit falling for the progressive trick of divide and conquer…

        • Tactical G-Ma,
          I think you’re correct

  4. Petticoat Prepper says:

    I’d think if 1/3 of our group has shown signs then we all probably have it. If my DD was among the sick there’s no way I could leave her behind. If that were the case, I’d stay behind with her.

    If on the other hand I’m searching for her; I’d go along with the group so as to continue looking for her. I wouldn’t opt to eliminate the infected ones; there would in my mind always be a chance for recovery.

    • Agree

      • Kat's Tale says:

        I agree. I could never leave a loved one behind. I would be the best caretaker that I could be and hope that I didn’t come down with it. I understand about survival situations, but I hope I never get to the point where I could cast aside a loved one because they were sick. Be sides who knows what skills & knowledge they may have that would be wise to try to preserve.

  5. Happy Camper says:

    Sorry, I just re read the question. There’s no quarantine, but I’d consider splitting up into seperate areas of basic shelter adequate. Tarps, tents, lean to, any weather tight shelter.

  6. They are part of the group so care must be extended to them and I would find a way to quarantine them even if that meant an improvised shelter . Feed and fluids provided. Anything less would cause trouble later with those that recovered and would splinter the group into faction.

  7. If 1/3 of the group is showing symptoms/infected, then in all likelihood, the entire group has been exposed and are all at risk of developing the flu. That being the case, we’d all stick together and help each other. No way I’d “eliminate” the ones showing symptoms or “banish” them either.

    • Thomas The Tinker says:

      Can I audition for your group? Am I right in that you cannot ‘treat’ a virus only its symptoms. Stick together and burn through the virus. Stick together after the burn out and we all…. are boot up on the rest of the population that may have not fought through this. Talk about a way to cement relationships… nurse someone through this and be nursed in turn. Talk about a ‘Bonding’ event.

      • Sounds just like mom. Keep em’ altogether so they all get chicken pox at the same time. One and done!

    • True

  8. Hobbitt of the Shire says:

    The scenario says a deadly flu. If the people are in their homes, then that would be their area of quarantine. If we are in a barracks type housing, then the only thing that I could think would be to string up blankets and tarps or plastic to create an area to contain them and care for them. Banishment or putting them out of their misery is not an option. Keeping them well hydrated and warm will help matters tremendously. The ones that succumb to the illness, must be either cremated or put into a mass grave and covered to keep the spreading of the virus down to a minimum.

  9. I would have the person(s) in our group that are detailed as health professionals ( our group has an internist and his kid is a nurse ) take care of the infected as best they can. I have the masks and other means to somewhat isolate the flu cases. As others have posted the whole group could have been exposed. I never getbthe flu and my immediate family hardly ever does so I would think, assuming that your group is not starving or otherwise debilitated that you could weather this storm without taking drastic measures. I would not feel good about making that call. And prayer would also help!

  10. Donna in MN says:

    If I have no means to quarentine them from the rest of the group? There’s always a way to separate infected people from the rest of the group.

    The group could help set up shelter if camping a distance away or put up a barrier in a home. Supplies can be given them like it was done in the old days of quarentine.

    It may be likely many others have it but not showing sysmptoms, and the whole habitation of the group may be contaminated, so it may be me who bugs out with supplies to another location until it runs it’s course. In the meantime while waiting to see if I get it, I would take plenty of antioxidents and vitamins from the beginning to prevent it from being so bad for me as a preventative. I would also take some licorice and ginger as a decongestant from my spice and candy reserve, and honey for a cough, leaving the rest for those who have the virus.

    • Survivor says:

      I agree. I don’t understand the point they can be banished but not quarentined. Seperate them as much as possible, ride it out.

      • jamullins says:

        i think the real issue isn’t the lack of meds or the group’s inability to provide proper quarantine; the real issue is the decision to banish them. the scenario isn’t about doing a work around. it’s about facing a potentially life altering situation and making a truly difficult decision. the people involved could be close friends, family, people with invaluable knowledge or skills, so on. that isn’t specified either, i know, but the fact that the decision is the point of the scenario is obvious.

  11. Going with the information given, ie. no way to separate them, I’m afraid we would all have to get through it together, or not.

    If my DW and I are feeling okay, I might take that time to go on a foraging or hunting/fishing trip. If I felt strongly that we were not infected and staying together would be a danger, I’d leave.

    If the DW is stricken too, I stay. Remember that “for better or worst part”.

  12. Rider of Rohan says:

    Everyone has already been exposed if 1/3 have the flu. Group will just have to ride it out best they can. In the case of the flu, the worst case is a 50% or better survival rate. This is a likely scenario, could be flu or another deadly bug, so make plans now. It will happen.

  13. I’d be looking for some elderberries! I would build a make-shift quarantine–even if that means just putting the sick in a different area than the healthy. Yes, the scenario says we don’t have the supplies to make a quarantine. But you can surely have two campfires with the sick downwind from the healthy. You can build a sick room from plastic sheeting or trash bags and duct tape. I would use whatever supplies are available to construct a barrier.

    I agree pretty much with what everyone else has said. If 1/3 of the group has symptoms, the rest of the group has already been exposed. I would recommend four things: (1) social distancing (as much as possible), (2) hydration, (3) sanitation and (4) immune building with herbs.

    • I’m with Bam Bam. Probably the number one reason I’ve planted 4 elderberry bushes this year. Build/define an area for the sick, keep them hydrated, pray the weather holds.

  14. I think this is an easy one, like most above had said, with 1/3 of the group sick, all have been exposed, and it is a mater of time before most of your group is sick, I would focus on how to deal with that many sick people, find out if you can trade for meds(traditional and non-traditional), and then come up with a redistribution plan to carry out the daily work/tasks.

    • jamullins says:

      the scenario doesn’t define it, but at the point of the event only 1/3 of the group has been exposed, maybe that 1/3 was the group that went out foraging and encountered something that led to their exposure or maybe that part of the group occupied a shelter that had been used by others that were infected and were exposed via contaminated water, bed linens, towels, or something similar. everyone wants to explain it, i would too, but it isn’t necessary.

      the scenario asks if you would vote to banish, simply take them out yourself to minimize the risk.

  15. This scenario reminds me of the walking dead TV show season 4 where a flu wiped out a lot of the survivors from season 3 (extra characters on the show). only 2 people were sick to start with and some unknown person killed both of them out of fear in hope that it would prevent everyone else from getting sick. shortly after that everyone got sick anyway.

    the scenario seems to be asking people if we would act fast and try to kill a threat or think it out.

  16. It would have to be “all for one and one for all” My “group” would be family, live or die we would do it together. The sick would be cared by the healthy. If someone objected to being “exposed” then they could carry wood, water, do cooking and the chores that those that are sick can not do.

  17. I agree with the majority of the thoughts here if the virus is in camp it is too late already so sending them away does no good provide what care you can so when the sick recover the ones that have developed immunity can care for the next batch of sick.

  18. I believe everyone is probably already exposed so I’d try to make a barrier and try to heal them back to life. We are talking about our children and spouses. Alot of prayer, cleaniness, and fluids.

  19. As others have said, everyone has likely been exposed already. The symptomatic are quarantined in a camp 100 feet downwind. Two volunteers will be assigned to care for them. All supplies used at the camp will be sterilized or burned afterwards. Any people showing new symptoms will be moved to that camp. Contact and droplet precautions will be maintained as best as we can with masks, sanitizer, bleach water, etc. Food, water, firewood, and medicines will be supplied to the two caretakers via a third drop off location to avoid back contamination. One week after the last person has recovered, the quarantined group can rejoin the group.

  20. At the very moment I clicked the link to come to this page, my wife read out loud,”2000 vials of a killer virus missing from a SARS research lab” posted on “end times headlines”.

  21. I have to agree with everyone else, 1/3 sick I would bet everyone has been exposed. Are we out of all supplies or just low on medicine?
    Even if you cant make an actual quarantined area, there are things that can be done. Covering the mouth and nose, either with a mask or bandanna can help slow the spread. Washing your hands a lot, dont touch your face (get out of that habit now), sanitize everything as best as you can. Keep the air moving with an open window or a light fan to keep from breathing infected air.
    Even if you are out of the meds you use for the flu, what other stuff do you have? Even if its not to treat the flu, perhaps it can help build the immune system, or at least ease some of the symptoms.

    I know Bam Bam has given her recipe for elderberry syrup, but I will go ahead and share mine. Everyone who has used it has really liked their results. I dont actually measure anything, so I will give round about measurements

    About 2-3 cups water (I prefer distilled)
    A large handful of elderberries (@ 1 1/2 cup)
    A small handful of rosehips (@ 1/2 to 2/3 cup)
    Cinnamon- I buy the huge pieces rather than the little stuff at the store, and just break some off in the pot. I would think it about equals one of the little sticks.
    A couple pieces of dried ginger, this would probably equal to about 1/4 cup
    A pinch of licorice root, this is also probably about 1/4 cup
    About 8 or so, whole star anise
    About 6 or so whole cloves
    Bring to a boil, turn the heat down to a simmer, and allow to reduce by half. Strain, add honey. I dont add a lot of honey, so I dont quite get the syrupy thickness.

    This blend seems to be especially helpful when dealing with the ickies that like to set up shop in your chest. The expiration date seems to have a bit of debate, some say 2 weeks in the fridge and others say up to 3 months. I have used it past the 2 week mark but honestly there hasnt been any left to try it further than that. I may make up a small batch just to test. It can be frozen, and this mixture can be turned into a tincture, just make sure to use as high proof as you can with this one (rather than brandy or such).

    • TG,

      I never thought about adding rose hips but that’s a great idea. The extra Vitamin C would really help. I would definitely add the licorice root for chest congestion.

      • Bam Bam, that big boost of vit C is exactly why I started adding it, and the licorice really does help.

    • TG
      Where are you purchasing your star anise?

      • Becky, I get most of my herbs from mountain rose herbs. Their star anise is in bulk herbs under ‘a’ for anise star pods. In a pinch I can find it in the mexican food isle. While it doesntwork as well, I have ssubstituted anice leaves before.

  22. I am a RN for past 26 years, so I can just about promise you if 1/3 of the group has the flu, then everybody has been exposed. The well ones will need to provide care and hope enough get better to continue care for the others and themselves that WILL become sick. The group is SOL and will just have to do the best together because survival chances will be better if they stick together.

  23. Tactical G-Ma says:

    There might be a disease that causes such agony that I might consider death merciful. So long as there was a chance of survival and the disease had not become pneumonic, I would chose to nurse the sick.
    Some diseases such a leprosy has been cause for isolated colonies.

    • jamullins says:

      in 1918 – 1919 illness from the flu pandemic, the Spanish flu, came on so quickly that people felt fine in the morning but died by nightfall. People who caught the Spanish Flu but did not die from it often died from complications caused by bacteria, such as pneumonia.

      During the 1918 pandemic approximately 20% to 40% of the worldwide population became ill. And an estimated 50 million people died, with nearly 675,000 people killed in the United States by the Spanish flu.

      Unlike earlier pandemics and seasonal flu outbreaks, the 1918 pandemic flu saw high mortality rates among healthy adults. In fact, the illness and mortality rates were highest among adults 20 to 50 years old. The reasons for this remain unknown.

      Think about it. People dead within twelve hours of getting symptoms. A high mortality rate among healthy adults. High level transportability; bodily fluids, close proximity exhalation, skin to skin contact, contamination, infected rodents feeding on corpses were a major historical cause of the spread of influenza. H1N1 is supposed to be more virulent than the Spanish flu. The outbreaks in the 50′s and 60′s killed tens of thousands of people in no time.

      Without a real pathologist on hand it could be very risky for an MD to try and fight a deadly flu much less a bunch of hopeful amateurs. That is why i would vote to banish. being the one to kill them would be dangerous because of exposure. I could easily reintroduce the flu to the group.

      • Tactical G-Ma & jamullins,
        Keep in mind that most of the pandemic outbreaks of disease we often discuss here were before the age of antibiotics. Leprosy, Plague (Y Pestis), and the bacterial infections from the Spanish Influenza are now all treatable. We also have better systems, processes, and methods for quarantine and sterile / sanitary handling of people and items.

  24. tommy2rs says:

    A very poorly constructed scenario but here goes.

    From the CDC website

    Isolation is used to separate ill persons who have a communicable disease from those who are healthy.

    Quarantine is used to separate and restrict the movement of well persons who may have been exposed to a communicable disease to see if they become ill.

    First, eliminating the sick, yeah, that’s not going to spread the infection any. Blood spatter, bodily fluids released when sphincters let go these won’t cause any problem. Then you get to move the bodies and dispose of them.

    Second, If you can banish people you can isolate them.

    I’d say move the healthy away from the sick not vice versa. If the flu is killing people you can safely bet that some will have to be moved by the healthy resulting in more exposure. The immediate areas inhabited by the sick are contaminated, healthy people staying there and using the contaminated areas are being exposed to the infection. I agree with the consensus that if 1/3 of the group is already sick the rest have been exposed. So move the healthy and get to looking for natures antivirals like elderberry, sweetgum trees, wild onion, wild garlic, goldenseal, goldenrod and the list goes on.

    Which brings us to quarantine or separating and restricting movements of those exposed. Pretty much the whole remaining group. So now you have to stay away from each other for at least a couple of weeks to see who’s infected and comes down with same flu that you just tried to get away from.

  25. Big Bear says:

    My “group” is populated by folks that are friends, family, and no one else. As the leader of my group I would not allow the group to banish or dispose of any members due to a situation beyond their or our control. I believe in the axiom of “all for one and one for all”. We have lived together, survived the SHTF that brought us all together, and will die together ……….. if that is our fate. To me it’s the same as if we were attacked by a superior force and all of us died defending our group.

  26. Sagewolf says:

    I don’t like the idea of banishing the sick. The reason is if they find another group that may not be sick You will be infecting them or what if you were this other group and you found a banished sick person . Now if banished meant the sick were no closer than 200 feet away form the healthy in a sense shouting distance than I would be ok with it. This is a good reason to isolate any new people to your group to be sure they are not sick.

    Of course we would do what we could for the sick, but we would need to limit who will do the care of the sick. It would suck to get sick when you were not infected. Also I would not want our medical people to to the care of the sick. I they died shortly after the first ones we lose their knowledge and skill. When SHTF event happens I think it would be a good idea if our health care people start teaching us what they know before we get sick. After all what if he health care person gets sick we need to know how to help them to.

    • Sagewolf says:

      If the group was formed before the SHTF event this is a scenario we should have trained for. After all bad people with guns is not the only enemy we will have to deal with. Some people may think guns will save us, but a bullet will not kill a virus, and we can not just kill people it would be like cutting our arm off because we broke a finger when just taping it to the one on the side will help it heal right.

      • jamullins says:

        It is more likely that encounters with bad people with guns will be a very uncommon event in the daily life of SHTF survivors. They will be facing just as much risk, possibly more because of their choice of operational modes (including bad people with guns).

        It is more likely that the reemergence of diseases thought conquered in our modern world will cause more issues since no one has had to deal with them medically or been exposed to them environmentally for decades.

        Then there are the usual suspects; starvation, dehydration, infection, accidental injury, exposure, drowning and hypothermia, animal attacks, accidental poisoning, contamination, venereal disease, depression, hypertension, PTSD, childbirth, exhaustion, birth defects, addiction withdrawal (broad subject matter here), allergic reactions, common cold, cancer, diabetes, arthritis, loss of hope, hysteria, unsanitary living conditions, and suicide

  27. The question being, ‘would I eliminate the infected ones?’
    Well, yah, sure- why not?
    Then I’ll eliminate the ones who argue all the time.
    Then I’ll eliminate those who eat more than one serving per meal.
    Then I’ll eliminate…
    Not.
    We’re in this for the long haul, the good, the bad and the ugly. Not going to be summer survivors and go on only when it suits me or the going is easy.
    If there’s no way to quarantine other than a blanket separating the still healthy from the ill, then that’s enough. Won’t be long before everyone has a touch of flu, anyway- Uncle Fed is going to insure that if he can’t control us any other way.
    But, no, can’t be ‘eliminating’ anyone who is on our side no matter how ill they are.
    Well, maybe we can, and should, eliminate the sarcastic ones.

    • Sagewolf says:

      We like you and you are funny I think we will let you live for now . We may need someone to make us laugh to help relieve the stress during a SHTF event. Just don’t get to carried away lol.

  28. GoneWithTheWind says:

    To late to quarantine. Take care of those who are already showing symptoms and prepare to take care of the rest as they become ill. Treat the symptoms with over the counter medications. A decongestant and/or an antihistamine can be used for congestion but be careful of the side effects and use it sparingly. Tylenol for temperature and aches. Drink lots of fluids and get some rest. Cough medicines are best saved for seious coughing and with the flu a productive cough is good and will help the patient keep their lungs clear. If the patient is having trouble clearing the lungs an expectorant will help.
    Watch for signs of the illness worsening: Trouble breathing, a rash, high fever, hard to keep awake or unconciousness, dizziness, vomiting, or a sudden return of symptoms even worse then before. Serious/worsening symptoms will require professional care and possibly hospital care.

  29. Yup, if a third are showing symptoms everybody has been exposed and/or infected. So why banish or put anyone out of your misery?

    Instead, everybody wears a face mask to keep their cough and sneezes to themselves, so you are not further passing it around amongst yourselves. And double up on your sanitation; an immune system can only take so much.

    I haven’t seen anybody suggest Coltsfoot-n-Mullein Tea. The stuff is great for relieving chest congestion and hot fluids feel good on a sore throat. If you are not coughing the junk up you stand a good chance of a secondary infection such as pneumonia.

    1 tbsp each of dried coltsfoot and mullein in 2 cups of boiling water. Steep for 10 minutes. Strain add honey to taste. I sometimes add dried ginger, lemon juice, a couple of cloves, maybe some mint or fennel seeds to change up the flavor a bit and all are good for the lungs.

    And everybody should be eating at least a clove of raw garlic a day, if you can get a hold of it.

    Banish or Kill? Man that’s just cold blooded. I’m going to be keeping an eye on you, cause you could turn on us at any minute.

    • Tactical G-Ma says:

      KS Judy
      I understand that few viruses kill us but it’s the symptoms like high fever, dehydration, and pneumonia are the killers. Of course, there are always those like ebola.
      Good sanitation, sponge baths, electrolytes in water, anything that may bolster the immune system, vitamin C, we have no medicine. I say anyone who wants to leave, hasta la vista. But if you leave and get sick you are on your own. Even though we may not have medicine, we do have the opportunity to learn about natural remedies. And we as a whole have a much better understanding of the pathology of virus, bacteria, morbidity and health in general than our ancestors had.
      Last week we discussed pathogens and the possibility of some great plague. If there appears to be 100% mortality, many will shoot first and ask questions later for fear of becoming infected. Fear does crazy things to people especially when children are at risk. IMHO.

  30. Pineslayer says:

    There are always ways to quarantine people. A tent set up a couple hundred of feet away will do the trick. Your biggest issue if they are close by, is when they become incoherent and try to make their way to the house. That might be a problem even if you banish them.

  31. All of us have probaby been exposed – banishing them does not work for me – and the elimination part is just ridiculous IMHO -only thing to do is care for them, enforce rigid sanitation precautions, treat as best we can (natural, OTC, holistic) and prayers.

  32. patientmomma says:

    The Conflicted cards seem to give the same choices of a) kill people or b) banish people or c) enslave people in many of the scenarios. Some other blogs I read are quite violent in the immediate responses to “what if” issues. One reason I enjoy the Wolf Pack responses is you come up with alternative ideas to confront or resolve the issues; fresh, compassionate, yet realistic methods are suggested to deal with the conflicted issues.

    Thanks Pack!

  33. CountryVet says:

    If 1/3 are symptmatic, 100% have already been exposed and are either incubating or are have thrown off the virus. Neither banishment or “elemination” are options. —- The well take care of the sick and forage for medicinals such as horehound, ecchinacea and elderberry (scenario stated that none are available in camp). If this is an influenza virus, this virus preferrs cold/damp conditions and can persist in the enviorment much longer under those conditions so I would make every effort to provide additional warmth, possibly even to the extent of making a “sweat lodge” if feasible. Make teas and broths to increase liquid consumsption for everyone. (The steam from teas and broths increases the efficacy of the cilia in the respiratory tract and the additional liquids will aid in the prevention of dehydration.) Hopefully some of those who initially became ill will mount a recovery fast enough to be of aid to the second wave.

  34. Nancy V. says:

    Like many here, I feel that by the time you realize that 1/3 of your group is sick, it is too late to quarantine. 1/3 sick pretty much guarantees that the other 2/3 has been exposed. Those with better immune systems may show minimal impact or not get sick at all.

    Staying as a group would increase survival for everyone. But the group would have to be smart about medically caring for the severely sick. IMHO.

    You would have to organize and create a temporary dry shelter nearby, downwind if possible from your camp. Provide warmth, fluids, foods, and rest. The healthy would have to use universal precautions to minimize infection and have good sanitation. The healthy could work in teams, caring for the sick while others could forage for local healing plants such as pine needles, dandelions, mints, and berries.

    Then you will have to hope that the flu will run its course, and everyone survives.

  35. jamullins says:

    In 1995 I was working in the Democratic Republic of Congo (formerly Zaire) when the ZEBOV strain of Ebola infected 315 people. 250 of them died, that is a 79% fatality rate. It happened in Kikwit and the surrounding area and was traced to a patient who worked in the forest adjoining the city. The epidemic spread through families and hospitals very rapidly. Luckily WHO is on guard for this type of event in Africa.

    This type of scenario comes on fast and can be quite deadly. What if there wasn’t an immediate response by the WHO with ready medical supplies to counter the epidemic before it became tragically out of control?

    The flu has been a historical enemy of humanity. Even as recently as just a few years ago. Treating deadly diseases is a specialty. One most us aren’t capable of performing.

    • Your right, most of us arent capable of handling many of the deadly diseases out there, but does that mean we sit back and do nothing? Do we give in now, or do we learn to the best of our abilities how to deal with such issues? I may not be able to ‘cure’ some deadly disease, but I can learn how to help prevent my group from getting it and/or spreading it if need be. I can learn which herbs may give my group a fighting chance. And we know so much more about sanitation now then what we did when these diseases ran rampant.

      Will my group survive some deadly plague? I dont know, but I will do everything in my power to help us get through.

  36. TR from CA says:

    I would not banish anyone. If I am with these people, it is because they are family and friends. I would have put my trust and faith in them, as they would have in me. We would get through it together as best we could. This was an easy one for me to answer.

  37. Michellle says:

    What if they DONT want to be quarantined…………then what?

    • Most likely, if they’re sick, they won’t care. Not if my past experience this past year with the flu is any indication. I spent 4 days in bed, only getting up for refilling water and bathroom. At least I didn’t get any secondary infections this time, DH and DD both ended up with bronchitis verging on pneumonia.

  38. Marivene says:

    If 1/3 are sick, all are exposed. I would not eliminate anyone. Even if quarantine is not possible, the sick can be grouped together, as someone else stated, and separated by a blanket barrier or such. Even with a high mortality rate, some will survive, and those that do will not be infected again,even if exposed. That could be quite useful for future scavenging, especially if the bug is widespread, since it is likely to be all over anything left behind in areas where no one survived the epidemic. If your group, tho smaller, is now immune, that’s an advantage.

  39. You do not have the means to quarantine them?
    Perhaps we’re all living in a big tent or Quonset hut, with no internal walls, because that would be the only reason to have no means of quarantine.
    I would set aside a location (building or rooms) and we could isolate and treat the sick. We have enough knowledge on sanitary procedures, and should have things like bleach, soap, and N95 masks. Treatment would be primarily handling fever and keeping persons warm and hydrated. If we have antibiotics, someone would need to know when to use them for bacterial infection, and not waste them on viral illnesses like influenza.

  40. Encourager says:

    Some of these Conflict questions/situations are positively stupid.

    1. If it is influenza, it is highly contagious and if 1/3 of your group has it, you ALL have been exposed.
    2. Unless you are out in the weather, there will be a way to separate the sick from the healthy. Use sheets, blankets, plastic to make a separation. Even out in the weather, you can build a shelter with small trees, pine branches, etc. Have one for healthy, one for sick.
    3. WHY would you murder people just because they are sick?! That is so evil, I cannot wrap my mind around it.