Conflicted Tuesday

by M.D. Creekmore on December 17, 2013 · 177 comments

conflicted

We have worked out an exclusive deal with the publishers of the survival card game “Conflicted” where we will be posting one question per week from the deck for open discussion here on TheSurvivalistBlog.net.

You can buy your own Conflicted Deck here and play it with your friends and family…

Okay here we go…

You have your food storage in place, six months worth of food and water for you and your family. One of your friends comes knocking saying that his home has been ransacked, they have nothing but the cloths on their backs and they need a place to stay. Your friend has very few useful skills and taking them in would cut down your supply timeline in half. At this time there is no way you can replenish your supplies without risking your own life in one way or another. Would you open your home and supplies to your friend and his family or wouldn’t you? Why?

Looking forward to the discussion in the comments below…

177 comments

Shandi December 17, 2013 at 9:29 am

“Sorry, we got nothing… you’ll have to look elsewhere” and keep the door locked while I say it. Sorry, but me and mine comes before your useless self. If it were a friend with useful skills, it would be different, and I only have one friend who I would let in and she and her family have those useful skills… hate it for everyone else.

I know, sounds kind of callous, but given the above scenario, and the fact no one knows about my stash, me and mine will always come first.

Shandi December 17, 2013 at 12:02 pm

I’m gonna explain this a little more… I have no true friends where I live now. They are at least 4 hours away. If, by some chance friends A & B And their families made it, they have usable skills and are pretty much on the same page as me with the whole “save up for a rainy day” thing. If their place got ransacked, I know they put up a fight and lost. Yes, they would be more than welcome. Friend C is a slacker, her hubby is a slacker, and they are raising a slacker… hate it, but they would be turned away. They wouldn’t have anything to have ransacked anyway…. and probably wouldn’t have made it that far into SHTF. Other than that, I really have no true friends, just close acquaintances who would not be welcome.

Big Bear December 17, 2013 at 1:22 pm

Like your attitude Shandi!
Your description of your situation could almost fit our exact circumstances. We have only a few true “Friends” that live in our valley but have many “Acquaintances”. Our local prepper friends will be welcome to join us no matter what.

We’ve already had one family (Acquaintance type) ask us if they could come here when the SHTF. Their question was presented to us in a serious manner. They are a family of two adults and three children under ten years of age. They’d done nothing on their own and it isn’t a lack of funds that has prevented them from prepping. Neither of the adults have much in the way of hunting/survival/camping/farming/gardening skills. They would bring their relatively youthful adult energies which would help us out greatly as we are older folks. We had a heart to heart talk with them and told them that in order to take refuge here they had to “bring something to the table” besides five mouths to feed. But, unless they have taken steps to at least try to prepare for themselves, it tells us that while they appear to be concerned about their future they are not serious enough to take any action. We haven’t heard from them after they learned that we’d not help them unless they helped themselves first.

Our philosophy is that if someone we know shows up at our door (and if they have proven to us before the SHTF that they are responsible, honest, and good people) we will give them one day of minimal food and maybe even shelter for one night. After that (if we feel that they would be a positive addition to our group) they will be offerred inclusion in our family.

Before bringing anyone into our home (for a nights shelter) we will take from them any weapons they might be carrying just to ensure our safety. Their weapons will be returned them (with our security in mind) if/when they leave.

It may sound harsh but we already have a list of those folks that we would accept in our group as members and those that we’d turn away (some with a bit of our food and some with empty hands).

Michele December 17, 2013 at 3:08 pm

Sorry Shandi, I disagree with you. I do not believe you are being callous.

Since there is no way to replenish your supplies (see the scenario), if you allowed them in – your family will begin to starve in 3 months.

I agree, it is a hard decision and a hard choice to make, but allowing them in will eventually kill 2 families, not just one.

Ghost December 17, 2013 at 4:02 pm

Proverbs 12:11 “He who tills his own land will be satisfied with bread, But he who follows frivolity is devoid of understanding”.

k. fields December 17, 2013 at 4:19 pm

“AT THIS TIME there is no way you can replenish your supplies…” – will things be the same next month? In 2 months? In 3 months? There is no certainty here that in 3 months your family will be dead should you decide to help.
Looking at it your way, your family will be dead in 6 months if you hunker down and provide no charity to anyone – is that really how you want to spend your last days on earth?

nvrenuf December 18, 2013 at 12:52 am

K. Fields,
We need your address to send them there.

k. fields December 18, 2013 at 4:18 pm

My friends already know my address and know they are welcome should need arise.

Nate December 18, 2013 at 5:03 pm

Lol!

OhioPrepper December 22, 2013 at 12:42 am

k. fields,
And I’m betting that any of your real friends, like mine, have skills and other things to bring to the table.

j.r. guerra in s. tx. December 18, 2013 at 8:38 am

No skills or supplies to bring in AND extra mouths to feed ?

I’d give him A meal and ask him to leave with ‘We’re in same boat as you’ for reason. A friend would understand why this has to be the case.

RB in Alabama December 17, 2013 at 9:59 am

In my case, yes, as the people I count as friends I can absolutely depend on. As for “skills”, they have eyes to be a lookout and strong backs for labour/scavenging, so to me its a win-win. Besides, if they’re my friends, one of those few skills is shooting, so I me and mine sleep better.

LyndaKay December 17, 2013 at 7:34 pm

My friends are like minded, too, so I see them as assets – a bigger labor force, security force, hunters & gatherers. Yes, I would take these friends into my home.

CW in Alabama December 18, 2013 at 12:31 am

I agree. All family and friends invited, but they best be willing to work. Oh and kids get priority on food.

Better to face the end with good folks by your side.

George December 17, 2013 at 10:00 am

Yup, would tell them I have nothing and send them down the road, with those fact given on the card. No one knows what I have or that I even prep except for family that lives 600 miles away.
What would I do if I was the one looking for help? Understand the decision of the one sending me on my way, but guess what I have ton’s of useful skills that are very valuable and I do not see myself in that situation since if someone or group was to TRY to ransack my house and supplies it would only end one way and that is with one side dead on the ground, may be me or more likely them…..

Cookie Lady December 17, 2013 at 5:49 pm

First paragraph, George, that is me, except I am a septuaginarian female, and my family is 1200 miles away. I have one friend (older than me) with whom I would share, but if –excuse me, when– SHTF goes down, she will lay down in her driveway, waiting for the ‘rest of the Rapture.’

….and the last sentence, too. I just took a refresher fire arms class, and in the course of live firing, my weapon kicked on the safety 3x in a row. I asked the instructor what I should do, fire one shot then beat the intruder to death with the gun? He said that with my skill set, I would only need one shot. (Yes, of course, I had the gunsmith repair it.)

But–I am lonesome, and wish I had someone to share with. I am ridiculed by the few who know what I do in the basement, and they only grok 10% of my secret life of prepping.

CW in Alabama December 18, 2013 at 12:35 am

I grok. Have you tried to find a group in your area? Ham radio club, soap making guild, local farming groups are excellent places to find folks who will also grok.

Alex December 18, 2013 at 8:51 pm

Now is the time to open up, you can play this Conflicted game with potential members of your bugout group without putting yourself out there too much.

Hunker-Down December 17, 2013 at 10:03 am

The answer is easy to work out, but so painful to execute that we may cave.

God did not cerate a democracy; He created a hierarchy.
In that hierarchy, my first responsibility, before all others, is to my Creator. My next responsibility is to the spouse to whom I made a vow of marriage. Following those two, my responsibility is to the children we bought into the world. Next is my responsibility to our parents, then finally to neighbors and strangers.

Using that hierarchy I have the responsibility to protect everything that is life sustaining to those named above to the best of my God given ability. If that friend that is knocking at the door has been listening to me, he already knows my answer.

Ghost December 17, 2013 at 4:05 pm

Proverbs 13:22 “A good man leaves an inheritance to his children’s children, But the wealth of a sinner is stored up for the righteous”.

michigan December 17, 2013 at 10:17 am

i live out in the sticks all of my friends have the same skills i do. so it would be several more sets of eyes and backs to share the work load

SD Hunter December 17, 2013 at 10:17 am

Of course I would take them in. If it is a friend that I can trust and have got to know them before TSHTF. The skills would come in handy. Not only would I be risking my life but my friend would be risking theirs to help obtain more supplies and help with the survival of the community. You would be better off with alliances then trying the loan wolf approach. What would happen if the tables were turned? What happens when your six month supply runs out and you are on your own? We need to band together to survive the long haul.

The scenariom says friend. To me a true friend is like family. Someone you can trust with your life. If this person is an acquaintance then I would send them on their way if I felt that I couldn’t trust this person or family.

WYO Ryder December 17, 2013 at 10:36 am

+++ 1

worrisome December 17, 2013 at 10:29 am

Ransacked, means that even if he had stored foods and supplies, it is all gone. It does not say in this scenario that he has not been listening or trying to be self sustaining. As far as skills, I hire people all the time for “attitude”, I can teach skills.

With a few rules, and a close eye one whether they are being followed, I would probably find a way to help.

Bam Bam December 17, 2013 at 1:19 pm

I think Worrisome hit on the key of the issue. It’s not what skills they currently have; it’s their attitude. My dh and I can teach the skills. I would have to do an assessment of the person’s character: is this a man of his word? Is he willing to work? Does he bring people together or try to tear people apart and cause strife.

With only 6 months food, we are doing to have to do a food run. We may run into gangs, zombies or even worse, NASA folks. Is this newcomer willing to pull the trigger if our lives were in danger? If not, keep on walking.

Bam Bam December 17, 2013 at 1:48 pm

Oops. That was NSA, not NASA.

Shandi December 17, 2013 at 3:27 pm

uh-oh, Bam Bam.. now you have the NSA and NASA watching you….

Cavtrooper December 21, 2013 at 1:52 am

Considering most of what NASA does now adays is for the NSA it made perfect sense to me.

mylightofhope December 18, 2013 at 1:44 am

I agree with both of you here as well as a good point someone else pointed out that just because your 6 months might appear to be depleted some right now, there is not enough information to know whether or not it would still not be able to be n replenished a month or two from now. Maybe the inability now, is due to time of year/weather and that could change, or maybe your plan is to bug in until all the chaos dies down some when it may be safer to be exposed out in the open and on the move to a bug out location–where you have stored additional supplies. Character/attitude is definitely key. Scenario asked about “a friend” not acquaintances.

YoTeach December 19, 2013 at 1:01 pm

What you describe are EXACTLY the character traits looked for 200 years ago in small communities and even more recently (mid 19th century-1800s) out west. No one had any truck with a liar, thief, or coward. Notice the descriptions are sharp and simple; you are a liar or a truth teller; a thief or an honest man; a coward or brave. These are the things that mattered when life was on the line and survival was not a given. No wiggle room was allowed for “situational ethics” when it’s life and death.

will e December 17, 2013 at 6:47 pm

++1

worrisome December 17, 2013 at 8:44 pm

The scenario said “friend”. He said his home was “ransacked”. It said nothing about whether the friend had been preparing or not. If he and family have little skills, I can teach them. The whole thing for me, was the statement of “friend”. It did not say acquaintance, it did not say idiot that had been playing while I worked.

We have people on this blog that are concerned about their futures right now that have little to no skills but are still putting food by a bit at a time and are usually buying it canned at a store, because they haven’t tried canning yet for instance. His lack of “skill” may have led him to be an easy target…………teach him/her/them! Attitude and character are everything…………anyone that I would call “friend” would have those two qualities already……………..they get helped!

worrisome December 17, 2013 at 9:47 pm
Blkprepper December 17, 2013 at 11:27 pm

I would take them, skills can be taught. Also, there is safety in numbers, and eventually you will have to find supplies.

Nate December 17, 2013 at 10:29 am

I wouldn’t take them in. Sorry but that’s the truth.

Victoria S. December 17, 2013 at 10:31 am

No man is an island and, assuming this is a true SHTF situation, no family can go it alone. Doubling the adults able to do security, etc will pay off. This, of course, presuposes that the friend really is a friend and not just an acquaintance – they would need to be someone you were able to trust with the knowledge of your preps.

Carol December 17, 2013 at 10:35 am

I would take them in. Jesus never turned away someone in need. Aren’t we supposed to model ourselves after Him the best we can? I would trust that the Lord will provide.

Carol December 17, 2013 at 11:12 am

2 Timothy chapter 3 is a good read in this type of situation.

Ghost December 17, 2013 at 4:09 pm

Proverbs 15: 23 ” A person has joy by the answer of his mouth, And a spoken word in due season, How good it is!

OhioPrepper December 22, 2013 at 12:53 am

Carol,
If you trust that the Lord will provide, then why prep at all? It is also been said that the lord helps he who helps himself, which I think is a much more prudent way to procede.

Ghost December 17, 2013 at 10:35 am

First speak with the others members of my family, explaining everything I knew, and my point of view. Then prayerfully take a vote. If yes, I would put my faith in God to work out the details. If no,…..knowing my family there would be no “No”.

Then I would invite them in, murder them in their sleep and eat them!, (goofing off again)

Bryan December 17, 2013 at 11:11 am

Funny :)

Tomthetinker December 17, 2013 at 10:36 am

If I am standing on my front stoop.. in the moment… having had this very question posed to me ..long.. advance.. I have ‘graded’ my “Friends”. Isn’t that a sorry state of affairs.

We have ‘in fact’ prepped for this occasion so the premise is tainted in the ‘friends’ favor. We… in our small community.. have prepped already… with this issue in mind. We… have decided that ‘no, we can’t look a child in the eyes and turn them away.’ Now to qualify the question…. is this and end of society event… a bank holiday bail in… snowed in for a couple of weeks… EMP… Wouldn’t we all have to ‘scale’ our response in tune with the terms of this premise?… and the current premise is… thin at best. Just saying no is not dealing with the reality anymore than the ‘putting a couple of rounds over their heads macho crappolla is.

I’m thnking a few more LDS starter kits may be in order… Case lots of MREs. Skipping that gonzo tacticaldowadiddyHiCaptankbuster gun and putting back a few more pounds of ‘fuel friendly’ food.

BTW…. I’m hocking a load of hardware at the Maumee Valley Gun Collectors Association show this coming week end to improve our collective … long term situation. Anybody need some top of the line web gear.. pig spears.. edged items.. battle axes.. shotguns.. or a lil black rifle.. I thought I ‘needed’ but juzzt ‘wanted?

Shades of Green December 17, 2013 at 11:16 am

TTT ,
If you go to the “Conflicted ” website it explains the premise of this particular deck. It is a TSHTF scenario, so that is how I process my answers. Hope it helps.

Shades of Green December 17, 2013 at 10:40 am

If they were friends who were willing to work and help in our survival then I would help more than likely. The card simply says, “at this time there is no way to replenish without risking my own life”. Who knows what it will be like in 3 months when supplies run out but I would be thinking about replenishment sooner than that and it would also depend on what time of year it is. If winter then I may be able to start a small garden soon , any other time and I know I could. The friends would have to help or leave but I would not have even invited them in if they were slackers.

Ronald December 17, 2013 at 10:42 am

It really depends on which friend it is, if it is T______ it will be yes and damn good to see you! If it is my cuz J______ I won’t even answer the knock and I’ll probably have to shoot him. So it goes to show you just because you are family doesn’t mean your welcome. I guess my answer would be conditional not much help I know but there it is.

bctruck December 17, 2013 at 10:51 am

i love my freinds. i would absolutely take them in and welcome them. im kind of amazed at the folks who wouldnt. sure gives you some insight into those who have the self preservation above all else mentality. i wouldnt want to live in a world like that.

Michele December 17, 2013 at 3:26 pm

BCTruck and all,

What if it’s November, there is snow on the ground and the ground is frozen? There is no way it will be warm enough to thaw the ground – much less plant seeds to grow a garden until AT LEAST May, and as you know, almost everything except radishes take about 60 – 90 days to mature.

What are you going to say to your family as they are starving in February with no possibility to have food until July or August?

That may be the scenario you are facing here.

tommy2rs December 17, 2013 at 3:32 pm

Sprouts can be grown all year round on a windowsill. Provided one has stocked enough sprouting seed that is. I’ve even filtered and drunk the water used to rinse them with no adverse effects.

mylightofhope December 18, 2013 at 1:54 am

oops, hit the wrong button. sorry. Just wanted to say great comment, sprouts are high in protein and nutrients, good option!

Ghost December 17, 2013 at 4:12 pm

Proverbs 16: 22 “Understanding is a wellspring of life to him who has it, But the correction of a fool is folly”.

Encourager December 19, 2013 at 5:09 pm

You rock, Rev. Keep it up!!

bctruck December 17, 2013 at 7:14 pm

i would willing shorten my life,in order to extend the life of my freinds. its that simple.in the mean time,instead of two people trying to survive,we now have four people with differeny skills and ideas.my wife and i only have a few freinds,but the freinds we have,we love. to me ,its not even a question,its an assumption that they would share our food and resources. i dont even want to live in a world where people turn their backs on their freinds in order to live a little longer.

k. fields December 17, 2013 at 8:45 pm

” i dont even want to live in a world where people turn their backs on their freinds in order to live a little longer.”
Well stated! I feel exactly the same.

Donna in MN December 18, 2013 at 12:25 am

OH, I could think up a dozen ways to eat from the wilds in winter. That is if you live in the country or up here at the edge of the wilderness. This is one of the downsides to living urban unless you develop a taste for rats.

Cavtrooper December 21, 2013 at 2:02 am

If it’s November and there is snow on the ground that really would be a SHTF event in Texas! It was a brisk 75 today.

Ghost December 17, 2013 at 4:15 pm

Proverbs: 15:26 ” The thoughts of the wicked are an abomination to the Lord, But the words of the pure are pleasant”.

axelsteve December 17, 2013 at 11:04 am

Depends on who it is.I would probably give them some beans and a 2 litre of water and send them off at worst.You have to remember that you cannot save everyone even if you had a larger stash.Some sheeple think that they are a ward of the state and everyone doing better than them are the state.I keep very strict op sec on what I have and It would be even tighter when I see things coming soon.

Shades of Green December 17, 2013 at 11:17 am

+++1!

N2Y December 17, 2013 at 11:04 am

I would take them in. Skills can be taught and most work doesn’t take tons of skill just willingness to work hard. I also think that no matter how prepared we might be we could get overrun ourselves. In that case we would be on someone else’s door step. To me part of rebuilding is having a civilization better than this one. I also can count my friends on one hand, so there wouldn’t be and unending stream of people.

Nebraska Woman December 17, 2013 at 4:37 pm

Yes. This fits my mindset as well. I could not live with myself if I had turned away a child.

rjarena December 17, 2013 at 11:13 am

It is very easy siting in front of a computer screen to say that you will turn them away. but here are the facts. they are a friend, not a stranger. their stores have been sacked. you have 6 months of supplies.
the rest is unknown. The scenario says they have few “useful” skills, but does not list them or what skills you have, these few skills, they may or may not be beneficial to you, we do not know- so we have to discount the importance of this statement.
You should step back and ask yourself why am I prepping? The obvious reason for me, is that I want to be able to survive, for my family to survive. You some how believe that the world will have to be changed, rebuilt made better. If you do not believe this than prepping is meaningless- you can never put away enough “stuff” to last forever, even if you can live off the land, you will one day have to trade goods and services, so you have to believe that out of the ashes of the current world failure a new, better world will evolve. the only other scenario that I can fathom is that it is the beginning of the end of times, the end of the world.
For both of these outcomes I can only think one thing is clear- If we lose our humanity, what are we saving(prepping) ourselves for? If you believe we are at the end of times, do you want to be judged by your creator as one who turned away a friend in need? You might not have time to repent.
If you believe that we can out live the meltdown and rebuild society, We must do better that the past, saving your life but losing your soul make for an empty future, what will you build for your children?

Novice December 17, 2013 at 12:06 pm

Wow! That was downright poetic.

Bill G December 17, 2013 at 1:59 pm

That makes sense. I have extra rice and water just for this scenario.

MorePooperThanPrepper December 17, 2013 at 1:19 pm

I also want to say wow. rjarena, you are certainly an optimistic prepper.

I have no belief / illusions that the “world after” will be better. Unless you are bringing up Christ’s kingdom. I believe America and possibly the western world are in descent. They have no pride, or faith that our way of life: individualism, individual responsibility, liberty, freedom, are worth nurturing (in the next generation, in our institutions, across the globe).

The powers in the mideast and the far east that will fill our absence will not be as benevolent in their manipulations and policing.

I expect my boys to live through a world war.

You sound like the kind of person I would love to have as a neighbor. I wish I had your outlook.

Penrod December 17, 2013 at 2:31 pm

I’m with you, rjarena.

Our friends are good people. If they aren’t good people, they aren’t our friends. We trust our friends. If we don’t trust, they aren’t our friends.

It works both ways. There are things you just do, even if it costs. Taking in friends in time of need is something we would do.

Our friends would do everything they could to pull their own weight, even if they could not contribute to supplies. It would be a point of pride for them. They would be assets, even if they cut our food timeline in half.

mylightofhope December 18, 2013 at 2:01 am

Well said!

OhioPrepper December 22, 2013 at 1:04 am

rjarena,
The only problem with your post is unfortunately, history. It is a rare event throughout all of recorded history, that a civilization collapses and rebuilds into something better and more just then it’s predecessor. That is the sad fact that we must all be aware of. Hopefully we’re only talking about something like the depression, where we may have the chance to throw out the bums and rebuild on the existing scaffold of the country; otherwise, our chances may be slim and rather balkanized, Republic of Texas anyone?

Novice December 17, 2013 at 11:47 am

I have wrestled with this issue before. As a Christian it is my duty to show love to both friend AND enemy alike. The bible talks about feeding the hungry and clothing the naked. I take that literally. Anyone who comes to my door would receive A meal. Anyone needing lodging would receive A night. Once their immediate need has been met it is up to them to fend for themselves. If their “useful skill” can feed them AND provide more for my family as well then I would consider letting them stay longer.

Ghost December 17, 2013 at 4:18 pm

Proverbs 16:21 “The wise in heart will be called prudent, And sweetness of the lips increases learning”.

patientmomma December 17, 2013 at 8:10 pm

I would draw the line with “enemies”. In my book, an “enemy” is someone who would do me harm. I am a Christian, but I am not perfect; thus have not yet been able to “love” my enemies.

Fixit December 17, 2013 at 11:55 am

It all depends . Is this a short term problem or a long term problem . What is the personality type of these people. If under this situation I can trust this person I might take them in an cut rations by a third . It said I can’t restock my stores so I want be burning as many calories going out and about.
Now if I don’t fill safe about this person under these condition but they were a good friend in the past it’s care package time and send them on thier way. Also I might need more eyes for 24 hour safety so my place is not the next place hit because of to many hours and no enough eyes.

livinglife December 17, 2013 at 12:32 pm

The term friend is pretty loose.
how many times has this ‘friend’ gone around to others asking for food and a place to stay?
Is he possibly casing your house and resources for himself or a predator group?
People get desperate, how do you know you wont wake up dead if you let them stay?
If they are real friends, I would let them stay and start training them.
Decent friends, three days then go. acquaintances, sorry, here is some food for the night, good luck.

nvrenuf December 18, 2013 at 1:06 am

Got a laugh at the “wake up dead”

tommy2rs December 17, 2013 at 12:40 pm

I can pretty much sum up my thoughts on this scenario with a quote from the movie Wyatt Earp (the one with Costner).

Nicholas Earp: Remember this, all of you. Nothing counts so much as blood. The rest are just strangers.

Ghost December 17, 2013 at 4:19 pm

Do you always get your moral guidance from Kevin Costner ?

LyndaKay December 17, 2013 at 8:12 pm

Psalm 141:3 – Set a guard, O Lord, over my mouth; keep watch over the door of my lips!

tommy2rs December 17, 2013 at 10:41 pm

Beats listening to a crummy graham cracker. Got milk?

And while I’ll seldom feed a troll, just to drive home how little I think of your opinions I’ll leave you with a quote from Waterworld.

Deacon: Let’s have an intelligent conversation here: I’ll talk, and you listen.

OhioPrepper December 22, 2013 at 1:07 am

tommy2rs,
+10 on the Deacon quote.

N2Y December 17, 2013 at 10:09 pm

Since only half of my children are blood, and my husband isn’t blood, I think the word family embraces more than blood.

JSW December 18, 2013 at 8:53 am

Actually, blood line comes from the male, so in ‘theory’, your children are not ‘your’ blood, but their father’s. However, some of your genes are transmitted, so the ‘family/blood’ bond is complete. As to ‘family’, we are all of the ‘family’ of ‘man’ and as such, are somewhat responsible for each other.
To that end, and to answer the primary question, if this person/group coming to my door were really ‘friends’, then I would help them. If they are acquaintances, with whom I have little interaction, they are not ‘friends’ and as such, I would direct them to the nearest food distribution point I knew of (unless it were a FEMA center, of course).
This is a question I’ve wrestled with for years, swinging back and forth as my circle expands and contracts, and have come to the conclusion that I really don’t know how I’m going to react to people coming to my door, though I know how I want to- which is to turn them away unless they are kin or very good friends.
Am I my brother’s keeper? If so, then God will provide and I won’t have to worry about it. But my clan comes first- he who does not provide for his own is worse than a non-believer.

OhioPrepper December 22, 2013 at 1:10 am

JSW,
I agree that we are somewhat responsible for each other; however, I feel no responsibility to someone who is not responsible for themselves.

JSW December 18, 2013 at 8:38 am

‘Nicholas’ Earp? Not that I’m completely aware of the Earp clan’s lineage… but I know of Wyatt, Virgil and Morgan being brothers. Which was Nicholas?
(Now that I’ve had my morning chuckle… maybe I should pick on RevBully as well?)

tommy2rs December 19, 2013 at 12:24 pm

Nicholas Porter Earp – father to the Earp brothers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Porter_Earp
I don’t usually cite Wikipedia but in this case it sums up the same info found on genealogy sites in one spot.

Keep in mind it’s a quote from a movie. I don’t know if the actual man ever said those words and I don’t really care. I just liked the quote as it sums up how I feel about the issue. Blood kin (and I consider relationships created by marriage to be blood kin) takes precedence over everyone else.

JSW December 20, 2013 at 11:11 am

Thanks for the info, Tommy.
Yup- marriage is blood, the closest kind.

private idaho December 17, 2013 at 12:43 pm

answer is no I don’t have any friends my wife and I live with the attitude your best friend is your best enemy, so someone knocking on my door isn’t friend

Tennessee Man December 17, 2013 at 12:44 pm

Emotionally, I wouldn’t want to turn them away because it wouldn’t be the humanitarian thing to do. Logically, I would have my shotgun in my hand as I tell them that I do not have anything that I can give to them since I do not have any supplies stored. I would only be doing my family harm by giving out what I have stashed away, so I would be looking after my family by making the logical decision.

GoneWithTheWind December 17, 2013 at 12:46 pm

As one who generally would agree to give away nothing I have to admit this would be a case where I would welcome a friend into my home. No explanation needed, it’s as simple as that.

Michellle December 17, 2013 at 1:14 pm

As a mother I couldnt bear turning away friends with kids, they would have to come in and agree to do whatever it took to survive, but I couldnt leave them out even if I had little supplies left.

Mike December 17, 2013 at 1:17 pm

Friend, yes… acquaintance, no.
I have many acquaintance’s, but I can count my true ‘friends’ on both hands. Family is family, not friends, even though I am more friendly with some family members compared to others.

OhioPrepper December 22, 2013 at 1:12 am

Mike,
Your friends take more than one hand? If so, you are truely blessed.

Mike December 22, 2013 at 10:40 pm

Six is more than one hand ;-) I believe I am blessed. Four are other scout leaders that I have been with for almost 14 years, so very like minded, even though some spouses think we are a bit crazy. We test and improve our skills every month. Two others I have worked with for 18 years.

Happy Camper December 17, 2013 at 1:19 pm

It would be great to start my own team in this situation. If the friends are capable of learning new skills and have a high motivation to become self sufficient fast I’d take them in.
Also it depends on the friend, if they are untrustworthy or selfish it would be a concern that the friends could become marauders or tip some off to my preps and property.
However it would remain unknown to the friends what items and property are available, as I doubt that any human could resist the temptation of eating more than their rations if that’s their will. Also my preps uses, dosage, serves etc are known to me. As in I have food storage marked in a way that could be misread by others and result in wastage, I know the herbs I have stored and their medicinal uses and I would hate for a friend to accidentally use them in cooking or contaminate them.
Whilst I would offer some assistance to my friends, it would be limited. I would offer accommodation and a safe environment, medical treatment and minimum supplies, limited food and I would put a time limit on it with the option to extend.
I would look it in a way that yes I would help, how will I help that can be of potential future benefit to my family.
I guess it would depend on the number of friends too, I’m not sure about a entire family group showing up, I’d imagine it could turn out like when you get a houseful of guests at Xmas and the irritations and arguments start on day 1, a small group of say mum, dad and 2 children would be more suitable.

Mountain girl December 17, 2013 at 1:22 pm

I don’t think we could help these friends out. We have soon-to-be six of our own little ones to provide for and a very large family (my husband is one of six) that are not preppers/have practical skills that we would need to help out. That said, fortunately, most of my friends that live nearby have useful skills that are complimentary to our family’s – so their addition to our home would probably be useful.

w.m.robbins December 17, 2013 at 1:24 pm

I would help them but then send them on their way.

LukeAlaska December 17, 2013 at 2:33 pm

I am leaning toward your response. I feel I would take them in for a night, feed them, give them some provisions and have a long talk with the head of their household and a private conversation with my wife. If I felt they would be a total drain on my resources, I would send them away the next day with those provisions. If I felt they could contribute then I MIGHT let them remain, but they would be on very very thin ice. Even still, I don’t think I would let them remain in the house, a tent in the yard perhaps.

Desert Fox December 18, 2013 at 11:27 pm

What I don’t get is…okay, their house has been ransacked but they still have a house. They could be helped to restore their house in some way and share a few supplies to get them thru and help in the hunting of food and cutting wood for warmth and cooking….it all depends on the circumstances and environment. Yes help them to help themselves – not necessarily forever. You could discuss the situation and eventually agree to combine households. You shouldn’t be obligated to carry them but to help them stand.

patientmomma December 17, 2013 at 1:30 pm

if they are true friends, I would let them in. if they have no skills, I can teach them what they need to know. I can always find something for someone to do to be useful in a survival situation. if I lose my humanity and compassion might as well be dead as I don’t think I could live with myself.

sdawg December 17, 2013 at 1:35 pm

I thought just popped into my head. Why not a simple test? I most likely would do the christian thing however before that test your friend. Let him knock. Do not answer. Does he turn and walk away? Or does he start kicking in the door? Just before he peacefully leaves open up offer him your help. I do belive there is scripture about keeping your fellow brother accountable.

livinglife December 17, 2013 at 3:13 pm

makes sense on a moral level and is a good indicator of his intentions as well.

rjarena December 17, 2013 at 1:39 pm

My point has been that if we are not hopeful, then we have to repentant. Otherwise no matter how hard we try we will devolve into a moral-less society, and I again ask what are we prepping for? We want to protect our children for what? They can only learn by our example, and if live without a desire to be good and do what is right, what kind of life are we preparing them for? How will they find someone special so they can have a family?
I want you to understand, I have no qualms regarding the defense of my family or my home. I know if I have to defend my wife I can without question kill. I will lose no sleep over that, and will be able to l accept my Creator’s judgement. But turning a friend away when I can offer some help, I’m not sure I would fare so well in that judgement.

Ghost December 17, 2013 at 4:21 pm

Proverbs 16: 23 “The heart of the wise teaches his mouth, Ans adds learning to his lips”.

nvrenuf December 18, 2013 at 1:25 am

Troll alert.. Posting verses doesn’t make you a Christian , But being self-righteous, is what non-believers usually despise about Christians. Every verse has a context, try to include it with your post. For every verse you post to show your moral superiority in this situation, there is another, to substantiate kicking them to the curb. Granted, it depends on what they have been doing with their time and resources. Don’t ‘bury the masters talents, or you may be thrown into the darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth’. Matt 25:30

Sisterpine December 17, 2013 at 1:42 pm

I am sure all of these will be hard choices. After re reading the question and not reading anything into it LOL. I will say NO I will not let them in and I will not share my supplies with these friends. The question is not asking if the friends are trainable…just says they have no skills. So NO would be my response.

Becky December 17, 2013 at 2:07 pm

Guess I am more analytical, before I granted their request to live with us. I would have questions for the “friend”.
1) If you were over run, where were you & your wife?
2) How many were there?
3) Didn’t you have 72 hr emergency supplies stashed somewhere besides the house?
Then I would have to tell them I could give them shelter for the night, but they would have migrate to their families homes. We are just not prepared to take in extra people long term. In the morning hand them a backpack with what few items we could scrounge up to take them on their way.
In the area where I reside, I know my neighbors habits. We have one that buying groceries that will last over 3 days is a waste, his wife(his excuse)may not want what he purchased for dinner. You heard me, no food storage at all!!
Others might have 1-2 weeks, but no more. Then you have some that I have tried to convince that they need more than 2 weeks, an I believe the wife hears me while the dh is oh yea nothing will happen.

Bam Bam December 17, 2013 at 2:10 pm

I asked for my dh’s view on this: He said that we already have our survival group. Anyone not in the group would be told to keep walking. He said he wouldn’t put our family at risk because others failed to prepare.

Ghost December 17, 2013 at 4:23 pm

Proverbs 17:1 “Better a dry morsel with quietness, Than a house full of feasting with strife”.

Desert Fox December 18, 2013 at 11:41 pm

So your dh has no friends? the question said nothing about anyone failing to prepare. Somehow robbers got in and stole everything…maybe he did not secure his things as well as your dh…

As a whole, there is too much philosophy in all these answers. When the time comes, we won’t have too much time to think things thru or assert all these if’s.

Becky December 19, 2013 at 11:42 am

Desert Fox
This is the trial run to prepare your mind, your family, and friends for a “what IF scenario”, remember nothing is set in concrete.
This gives all of us a look at the possibility for a better solution, should we have this happen to any of us.
None of us what this to occur but let us face the facts, cr@p happens whither we want it to or not.

MorePooperThanPrepper December 17, 2013 at 2:18 pm

I think I have 3 friends, I think my wife has 2. I don’t think any of them prep. All but one of the five live hundreds of miles away.

They are all good, honest, hardworking, and bright people (except for 2 of their wives and the kids I don’t know too well.) If things are bad and they need my help they can 100% count on getting it from me, until we run out of help to give. I doubt I could keep my family protected 24 / 7 / 365 by myself. I would love to have them with me watching my back.

My only rule would be that those Mrs. who I don’t completely respect will have to pull their own weight and be nothing but grateful for what they are getting (probably wouldn’t be easy for them).

Useful skills? in what? the prepper fantasy role playing game? Useful qualities: hard working, loyal, honest, aggressive (when necessary), smart, sense of humor, dedicated. I think all too often preppers call others sheeple if they don’t drink the cool aid. Putting a couple of months of shelf stable foods in the pantry, and buying 1000 rounds of ammo earns a person little credit from me if they are a dishonest backstabber. An honest, loyal, problem solving, hardworking sheeple will get my help. A self-serving rambo can trade with me (at about 100 yards, sights on) but will more likely be avoided.

Thats my take.

Penrod December 17, 2013 at 2:42 pm

“An honest, loyal, problem solving, hardworking sheeple will get my help”

It sounds to me like you are saying that even good people can be blind on some issues. I agree. I’d rather have good people who just woke up too late to help themselves, than bad people who saw the light but are still bad people. Honest, hard working ex-sheeple can be trusted. Dishonest people cannot be, no matter how well they prepped.

bobbo December 17, 2013 at 2:26 pm

could not let them in……..I’ve spoken to the prepping topic w/many unfortunately I tend to have a big mouth). I would not send them away empty handed, keeping security in mind, but I’ve prepped w/the idea of protecting my own, I don’t have the resources to care for everybody…..I am already involved w/neighbors of nearly the same mindset & will do my Christian duty w/them

Beans-N-Bullets December 17, 2013 at 2:44 pm

Well, I can count true friends on one hand and there is family I wouldn’t let on the porch. I am callous so I’m O.K with taking the want to be looters and hanging there heads on my porch just as a courtesy reminder to any others with the same thoughts bouncing around in there heads. There is a balance between an eye for an eye and keeping your spirituality in tack, easy to slip off the dark side of the moon. I do believe that there is enough information out there to have made people aware they need to prep, if they didn’t listen and are on the welfare rolls living the Obama dream I would be more then happy to take them out back and use them as fertilizer. Not being totally in-human I would ask what there skills were first, then I would make them prove them. So I guess I could turn someone away, would I feel bad? Most likely if they had children yes I would feel remorse for the child. I am truly sick and tired of the entitlement that most American’s have and a lot of people who are here illegally as well. Families that have children just to get the $$$ and be taken care of are on my last nerve.

Why do you only have 6 month supply??
My rant for the day : )

Ghost December 17, 2013 at 4:32 pm

Proverbs 22:5 Thorns and snares are the way of the perverse; He who guards his soul will be far from them”.

Ghost December 17, 2013 at 2:54 pm

There was this Jewish guy once. He was what we would call today poor white trash as he came from a pretty small town/poor family. . He also wasn’t much in the “success” department, in fact he worked with his hands as I recall. Anyway, he once said something like, “Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you”, or something like that?

I just can’t recall His name, but I hear He was hung upon a Cross for something I did ? He died for me, how could I not risk everything to follow Him?

Ghost December 17, 2013 at 4:25 pm

Proverbs 17: 17 ” A friend loves at ALL TIMES, And a brother is born of adversity”.

michigan December 18, 2013 at 12:49 am

amen

Pineslayer December 17, 2013 at 3:05 pm

I have a lot of friends, some better than others. If they are close and are hard working I will do what I can. The hard facts are that I am prepared for a 8-10 person compound, after that it will be hard to tell what my level of compassion will be like. What is the exact scenario? If you let them in and feed them, give them some gear, it will be hard to say, “See you later, good luck.” We have a plan for our neighborhood, have barricades at the entrances with guards. Standard reply will be if you don’t own a house here, keep walking.

Daisy December 17, 2013 at 3:11 pm

I don’t currently live in a way that I could be totally self sustainable immediately following a TSHTF event. We prepare for emergency by stocking up and learning skills, but for a long term solution, a community effort would be involved (not necessarily my current neighbors, I mean a group in general). If these people are the type that can be counted on to develop that community, then they would be welcomed conditionally. Pitch in or move out. Even acquaintances can become your best friends under these circumstances. True colors tend to shine under stress. I know lots of people that have good characters and would be welcome but aren’t currently a developed friendship.

k. fields December 17, 2013 at 4:08 pm

“One of your friends comes knocking…”
OK, so this is about helping a friend (not an acquaintance or a stranger) who has fallen on hard times because “his home has been ransacked” – not because he didn’t plan or prepare. I look at this in the same light as if a friend’s home had been destroyed by fire, flood, earthquake or whatever – he is someone I have enough respect for when things are good to call a friend, obviously, when things are bad I would help and share what I have.

How easy will it be for you knowing that by not helping you may be sentencing your friend and his family to death? Remember, even with all of YOUR resources intact, “At this time there is no way you can replenish your supplies without risking your own life…” Since your friends “have nothing but the cloths on their backs” what chance do they have without your help?

To those who state you wouldn’t help, I can only ask, “How would you feel if you were in your friend’s situation?” No matter how well you plan and prepare, circumstances could occur that would leave you and your family with nothing – do you feel your “friends” should only give you a meal and tell you to be on your way? On your way to where? To beg from strangers? Is that how YOU expect to be treated?

Becky December 17, 2013 at 6:59 pm

k.fields
I guess I could answer that question for you on my street there are only two families I would feed, give the clothes off my back. One has 4 little ones and she prepares but is quiet about it. I know as I give her fruit to put up for her family, and have told her anytime she needs something she is to come and see me. The other neighbor had/has been there for us when we lost our home to a fire, our other friends passed away. The area has changed so much those who live here are more acquaintances than friends. It reminds me of the Hatfield and Mc Coys, and it did not take much strife to cause this to occur…some have developed the elite mentality. We have withdrawn from the conflict as it is going to erupt and I do not wish any part of it.

Rider of Rohan December 17, 2013 at 9:28 pm

Mr. fields, I believe your response will be sufficient for me. Pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject. Thank you.

nvrenuf December 18, 2013 at 1:33 am

This exercise is to provoke thought and get everyone’s thoughts.Why are you trying to convince everyone that yours are the right ones? I don’t need your help or your moral superiorty. Don’t come to my door either.

Mother Earth December 17, 2013 at 4:21 pm

Actual friends…yes, acquaintances…no. While it’s common knowledge I have a garden, can and freeze food, only close family know about anything else that might be stashed. There would be no reason for them to come knocking as all I have is “a few jars of green beans”.

To the Right of Atilla the Hun December 17, 2013 at 4:33 pm

Having just moved here I have no one that I could call a friend. I place a special definition on “Friend”. That being said if a true friend came for help I would take them in with an understanding of what would be expected of them.
Food and Water are the issues. If a life is to be risked…. It will be theirs that is put at risk. I would provide Overwatch for them if possible. Almost anyone can be taught the basics in a fairly short order and the extra eyes that they would provide additional security.
As it stands right here,right now I would turn anyone away, as there is no one that I would put in the “Friend” category. And yes, that is a sad state of affairs.

PrepperHelper December 17, 2013 at 4:41 pm

Jesus helped some people and called others names like dogs, snakes and sons of the devil. He tells us, “You will know them by their fruits.” Now is the time to pray for discernment so we can thin out anybody we don’t want showing up later and help those we really care about prepare for themselves. (Probably not a bad time to examine our own hearts as well.) Sometimes the very best friends will decide they will be in charge of your house when SHTF and it’s best to be alert to that attitude now. Surely, if someone was with the program and got overtaken, a like-minded soul would realize, ” that could have been me”. There is safety in numbers and where two or more are gathered in His Name, He is there too. I have faith in God to do what He said He would do, not what I wish He would do.
In a nutshell, it depends.

Encourager December 19, 2013 at 6:00 pm

+10

riverrider December 17, 2013 at 7:11 pm

two fold answer…prepper friend with skills,yep…. slacker that called me nuts for prepping, here’s your care box, the fema camp is that way. number one is why i prep for longer term/more mouths than most. even without his preps, the prep friend has skills,mindset, and respect for the lifestyle. he/they will have my back. slacker that spent his money on cars and boats and never lifted a finger to save his family can go pound sand at the fema camp. he/they can’t be trusted and is a waste of food. i don’t think jesus will have a problem with my reasoning.

Millie in KY December 25, 2013 at 2:03 pm

A good thought. I have friends and friends. One is retired, slowing becoming totally disabled. I sent her the basic prep list from here, she told me she could never afford to take the shopping trip to the store to buy those things. About six months later (this summer) she took a 2-3 week driving vacation out west. I would say no to her. I love her but she is persnickety, can be difficult to get along with and although she is somewhat seeing the light, is a liberal. She also procrastinates and since I have not prepped for the possibility of pizza and things on her very limited and spoiled palate, she would starve on what we have anyhow. :) I seriously doubt she would make it this far, though.
I like the thought to see how they handle the door not being answered. That would show a lot towards their intentions. And be aware that people may promise anything for a meal but whether they follow thru with it or not is entirely another thing. I wish I could read peoples’ hearts more accurately. I have a very soft heart and would be inclined to give them a couple of meals for the road and send them on if they were casual friends, if they were good friends and could bring something to help us with, I might take them in. This is really a hard question and will take some thinking about…..

Larry December 17, 2013 at 7:19 pm

If he is my “friend” he is already part of the plan..

RIVERWOOD December 17, 2013 at 7:29 pm

I’m amazed at how few “Christians” there are replying. With only 6 months of food and no way to replenish you are going to be SOL anyways. Starving in 3 months or starving in 6 months, it’s all ends the same way. No one gets out alive, today, tomorrow, 6 months, 12 months or 12years – it’s all the same. I would rather meet my Maker and be judged by my actions and my compassion, sharing and love for my friends than for the fact that I managed to outlive them. Life is about quality not quantity, I will do what I can for whomever I can before “checking out”. I deeply value the few friends that I have and know if it was me showing up on their doorstep after losing everything that they would welcome me and mine in without hesitation and adjust accordingly. Greed and selfishness are not qualities that will endear us to our Maker, in fact that is what has brought us to this point in history. We all die eventually, it’s how we’ve lived – that is all that matters.

Michellle December 17, 2013 at 7:44 pm

I agree guys, lots to think about. Where would you draw the line between your values and your will to live?

Shades of Green December 17, 2013 at 8:19 pm

Riverwood

Please remember this is a game scenario. The card only said you could not replenish at this time. Who knows what lies ahead in the coming months. I try to use my own current situation to play this out. Yes , it is a good game to help teach us and to provoke thoughts we may not have even considered but it is a game. We can all take from the conversations what works for us and leave the rest. It . Is all good wether you are a Christian or not. It takes all of us to make the world go round.

Encourager December 19, 2013 at 6:05 pm

It may be just a game, but wow. It is very thought-provoking, isn’t it? We really should be thinking through and making adjustments if necessary – even attitude adjustments. Know what you believe. Know where you stand.

“A person who stands for nothing, will fall for anything.”

mike December 17, 2013 at 9:36 pm

well the last i heard was jesus turned the five loaves and fishes into enough to feed the multitudes. no other human as i know of has done that. yes helping your neighbor would be the thing to do but i don’t believe i would be able to do this. one could always have a contingency plan for such occasions by buying extra rice and a few staples to help out if faced with this scenario. of course you would have had to have done this before the SHTF. something to think about when prepping

Donna in MN December 18, 2013 at 12:45 am

It said “. At this time there is no way you can replenish your supplies without risking your own life in one way or another.”

You risk your life in one way or another every day you drive a car, be at school, go to the parking deck after shopping. This week people have died doing these things. I would replenish my food or have my friend do it for his family.

Greater hath no man to lay down his life for another.

OhioPrepper December 22, 2013 at 1:25 am

RIVERWOOD,
The difference between 3 or 6 months of supplies can be crucial. Since none of us can store an infinite amount of food, the main thing about having long term storage (6 months to 3 years) is being able to survive in good health, until you can get your food production up and running. Depending on when this all happens, 6-9 months might be a requirement, and giving it away as in your “Starving in 3 months or starving in 6 months, it’s all ends the same” can be tantamount to suicide, which the last I heard, was considered a sin in most faiths.

PrepperHelper December 22, 2013 at 3:09 pm

Shouldn’t we already have food production up and running? I think you meant to say, “Until we can expand our food production to meet demand.” :)

OhioPrepper December 22, 2013 at 5:01 pm

PrepperHelper,
I guess we meant the same thing, but I don’t consider what I currently do to be food production, since the current gardening is only supplemental, and real food production would take a different tact. Working a full time job doesn’t leave a lot of time for real production, but in a SHTF scenario, the full time job would move from slinging computer code, to slinging manure, weeding, etc, as the production ramps up to something that could sustain us all o nit’s own. I will however, really miss oranges and bananas.

PrepperHelper December 23, 2013 at 12:00 am

I fully understand and totally agree. Oh yes, those crops from warm climates, mmmm … AND coffee and chocolate!

oldwhatshisname December 17, 2013 at 8:29 pm

It depends; an acquaintance of questionable integrity, who may be dangerous or unruly- NO! An entire family of 5 or 6 or more… even if they are friends I could not support that many, I would give them a day’s supply of food and water and keep them moving. A friend with spouse whom I have know for some time and who is completely trustworthy- YES.

cowboy December 17, 2013 at 8:53 pm

friend yes Cowboy

mike December 17, 2013 at 9:30 pm

nope. they are on their own. not going to help them. if i do i will be taking away from my family.

Kim Hahn December 17, 2013 at 10:02 pm

A question answered in the Twilight Zone, The Shelter, so many years ago…

OhioPrepper December 22, 2013 at 1:26 am

yep. It’s an age old question.

Kris December 17, 2013 at 11:23 pm

All my real friends store their own food. The rest are just acquaintances that can walk and work. We would be happy to help our older widow friend, but everyone else needs to pull their own weight. Not to be harsh, just practical.

Donna in MN December 18, 2013 at 12:03 am

If this senario pertained to just me way up here where I live, yes I would help my friend and family in essentails on one condition–they work for their food and water,.

I would teach them what to eat from the wild up here and it would contribute to suppliment the food I have to stretch it out. They would help in cutting firewood, getting water from the lake nearby. They would be taught how to hunt with me and protect the property, and if they stay longer, they will have to expand my garden area.

Of all things I value the most, family and friends are most important. Those who refuse to help out a friend is not a friend.
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JSW December 20, 2013 at 11:17 am

Not to mention, even the little kids can help gather firewood, carry water, pick/weed gardens, or other small chores (ain’t no free rides in survival), rather than be pampered and served hand and foot. (This year, we’re getting lotsa snow they can help move around as well… OK- I’m just tired of moviing snow myself so gotta be snippy. Life can be a chore north of the Divide but never a dull moment.)

Jersey Drifter December 18, 2013 at 1:11 am

First… last weeks question ( sorry ) I didn’t answer and have been thinking about it all week, and it has been bothering me.. If my neighbor is a good guy and the mob is bad guys, then STB.

Now for this one….it stated ” one of your friends”, and I have few true friends. Also it stated ” very few useful skills”, it didn’t say none or useless skills. So if a TRUE friend and family showed up with A Skill that could help, by all means I would help them. Even without a skill they would be welcome. They could do something, gather fire wood, cook, stand watch / guard duty. A non true friend?…that would be hard, maybe they would stay, if they could be a help and not a pain in the @ss, maybe they would get 3 days rations with advice to stretch it into 6 days rations and point them in the direction of the nearest FEMA camp.

Nate December 18, 2013 at 3:51 am

Lol, good one. The fema camps will make The Super Dome (during Katrina) look like a 5 star all inclusive resort in the Mediterranean.

nvrenuf December 18, 2013 at 1:39 am

I have to laugh at all the self -righteousness. Judging whether someone is a Christian based on their answer to a card scenario. You really think God needs your help in determining the heart of Man? Or have you simply assumed His role? Let us know how your judgement fairs…

Shades of Green December 18, 2013 at 8:13 am

+++ 1 ! Thanks for that. It was getting on my nerves the way some were judging others by their comments. None of us are any better than someone else. We are simply different and that is okay.

nvrenuf December 18, 2013 at 12:44 pm

Shades of Green.
Yes, judge not, lest be judged.
Obviously the situation would vary greatly for each one of us and even though we would like to think how we would react, we haven’t a clue. Desperate people will do desperate things, period.
And to those not wanting to live in a society with that type of moral decay, huh? Are your heads in the sand? Better look around. Its already here and the demise seems to be accelerating.
But even then, my answer would be, it depends.
Prep like you mean it.

das3994 December 18, 2013 at 4:27 am

Sorry sir, no room in the Inn. Someone with no skills, nothing to bring to the table except mouths to feed. They’re cutting your survival time in 1/2 and eventually you’ll have to risk your life and that of your family just to provide. There’s nothing I can offer you sorry sir.

Calf Rope December 18, 2013 at 8:18 am

I have a limited number of friends all with skills and I would take in. I also have some useless slacker friends and they have all been told to now come here looking unless they start contributing today. None have contributed, my good friends have. All know I am prepped and all also know that if they come my way they better bring something to the door. I am prepped for 10 people now for a year and this only includes my children, spouse and my grandchildren. Life and death decisions will need to be made, also if you are not prepared to fight to the death you best lay down now and just get out of the way. I have a defendable home on multi acres with running water, solar back up, propane generator back up and space for large gardens and farm animals. Also a very clear field of fire in the event of a shooting fest. The property has also been marked out so shooters will know distances from the main house.

Texican December 18, 2013 at 8:32 am

“Your friend has very few useful skills”…. heck he probably has more than I do! I say welcome to my home and we’ll do the best we can to survive as long as we can. I’m sure my SS check is still coming in and the govt. will be around to assist any day now.

charlie (NC) December 18, 2013 at 8:47 am

Turn the question around. IF you were the neighbor who was
robbed and put out of your home, would you expect your neighbor to
take you in and treat you as family? I certainly wouldn’t and I wouldn’t ask. I might, MIGHT ask for a small amount of help perhaps a few days food or the use of some tools to try and secure my property, etc.
I certainly wouldn’t ask to be “taken in” and would not accept being
“taken in” if I could not earn my keep.

Now with that said, I tend to score others by my own standards. Would I help? Probably to some degree. More than I should and less than I would wish I could.

insadjuster December 18, 2013 at 8:57 am

After reading the scenario and many of the answers given, I have given my response much thought. I have one friend local and a few acquaintances. None of the acquaintances have any idea of what supplies I have. They may know that I have a few weapons, but that can be a deterrent just as much as an attractant to them. In a SHTF scenario, I would not arm my acquaintances as they have not earned the trust. My local friend is currently 45 minutes away with traffic. If he and his family doesn’t make it to my house in the first day, I am going to go get them. I can make the trip on foot or bicycle round trip in one day. They have an understanding that they are to come to my place in the event of SHTF. That was pre-arranged. Also they know to show up with any hand tools and supplies that they have on hand at the time. Even perishable items (I used to live on the gulf coast – SHTF was a hurricane every couple of years – had a hurricane party and cooked all the perishables on hand prior to loosing power). No need to hit the reserves until your weekly food has run out. As far as turning someone away, it would depend on who it was and how well I know them. If a stranger shows up – get lost (politely), if they refuse to leave then force will be used. Only friends will make it to the front door. Everyone else will be stopped at the bottom of the driveway.

Here’s another thought – Most people posting on here appear to be of some sort of Christian faith. Just because SHTF does not mean I loose my faith. I will still be generous and loving towards my fellow man, just more closely guarded about it. Remember – your faith should not be dictated by your circumstances. If it is, you need to do some reading and talk about your faith with a like minded and like faith person. Religion and faith are not for the simple minded as some have said. Your faith will carry you through a lot more than you think it will. However – if threatened with making my maker before I am ready and willing to meet with Him, the one threatening will most likely find his maker and face their judgement.

Be of strong mind and strong spirit. Keep prepping and have a Merry Christmas and happy new year. If you celebrate a different holliday, then Happy (insert your holiday here)!

Shades of Green December 18, 2013 at 9:18 am

Yes!1 Yeah!! That was great.

Texican December 18, 2013 at 11:17 am

I agree whole heartedly with the faith thought! It’s easy to have faith in the good times and maybe a little tougher in the bad. But that same faith (of the good times) is many times more precious in the bad times. I know, from experience, how callous our thoughts and hearts can get as we go about planning and preparing for whatever lies ahead. I have to stop myself quite often and ask God for the right spirit in my preps. I pray that if my wife and I and our children have to go through some future nightmare, we go through it with the same faith and moral understanding as we were taught by our parents and spiritual leaders. If that is to our earthly detriment then so be it.

Tomthetinker December 18, 2013 at 9:44 am

My Dear Mr./Ms. Billy Graham Cracker: What is ‘YOUR’ opinion, your independent thought? Good people searching for answers in the works of men or God, tend to define what ever they find.. useful… in terms they find easy to accept and act upon. No judgment … just human nature,

MorePooperThanPrepper December 18, 2013 at 3:10 pm

My current working theory is that graham cracker is an internet bot that posts random bible quotes on internet discussions.

When I had the thought I also decided whoever programmed it was pretty clever. When we apply a single sentence from the bible randomly to any issue it is pretty close to meaningless but sometimes seems important or almost poetic.

Maybe MD should ask for some test that graham cracker is an actual person.

M.D. Creekmore December 18, 2013 at 3:24 pm

MorePooperThanPrepper,

I need to look into that…

OhioPrepper December 22, 2013 at 1:32 am

MorePooperThanPrepper,
I had the same thought. I’ve seen programs that spew gibberish, which is constructed in such a way as to sound meaningful and profound, until you really look it over and think it through.

Maji December 18, 2013 at 12:28 pm

I wouldn’t allow them to come directly into my home at any price. I do have a small house out back where they could stay temporarily while I assess the situation. If they are ill or carriers, I do not want them around my grandchildren. During this 10-14 day assessment, I would look at the skills they do bring. If they are not sick with any contagions, I will integrate them into the family unit as long as they understand that I am in sole charge. They will have no say in what is done with the preps that I have. If at any time, they are unhappy with what I am doing, they can leave and not return.

Now I am smart enough not to show them all that I have put back. I will share but I will not give up my secrets to anyone. They will not know where everything is stored or locations of stockpiled supplies. These people are friends for a reason, but you cannot trust anyone when hunger comes knocking at the door.

JJ Grey December 18, 2013 at 12:33 pm

No one is worthless.
Skills can be taught and supplies can be created (even if only primitive ones).
An extra back to haul and carry, extra eyes to watch for threats, extra hands to mend the clothes or fences.
No I will not provide half of my limited storage, but I will not refuse a meal to a friend, and though I would make the second meal contingent upon returned value in such harsh times that isn’t to say no second meal would be provided. Because the most important thing I would do for this friend is to assist this friend (and their family) on learning how to become such a useful and valuable person in this situation that they can earn their own meal and more. If (very unlikely) they did not want to contribute/learn after a short time they would be asked to move on with no alternatives presented.

mom of three December 18, 2013 at 5:20 pm

This one is super easy. NO AND HELL NO. We have a friend who is like the person in the question. We keep telling him, and his girlfriend, with two kids to stock up on a few essential . His answer us No nothing going to happen it’s all just talk. But he does not say he is coming to my house.

Nate December 21, 2013 at 12:37 pm

If he knows you prep, he will definitely be coming to your house after shtf…

Lauri no e December 18, 2013 at 6:18 pm

Just something I would like to share.

When I was divorced and my daughter and I were on our own for 5 years 1 pay check and I would only get 1/4 to 1/2 of my child support a month. He paid weekly and I also forgot to mention that I would also work sometimes a part time job besides my full time job. I could be down to my last 5 dollars and God always provided. I could tell you story after story during that time and God always supply my needs.

Encourager December 19, 2013 at 5:27 pm

Let’s see, the card said “one of your friends comes…”
Not a stranger, not an enemy, not a mooching relative, not a neighbor you don’t know. A friend.

Just ask yourself if you are a Christian: When you are face to face with God, how will you justify yourself to Him if you turn away your friend?

Even if it is winter and that is why you cannot replenish your supplies, you can do the best you can. I will tell you a true story, actually, two true stories that happened to me.

1. We ( a friend and I) were in the process of finishing our first church banner. We had cut out the name of Jesus in gold material and were going around the edges of the letters with iridescent sequins that were sewn on a thread. We had one and a half letters to go when we realized we were going to run out of sequins. We held up the leftover sequin string to measure. We had no time to go to the fabric store to buy more and the banner HAD to be finished before the morning. So we quietly prayed that God would make the sequins last until we were done just like he extended one days worth of oil in the priest’s lamp to last seven days.

We chatted back and forth as we worked, praying for friends, our pastor and his family, and just enjoyed our time together. Suddenly, my friend gasped. “Look, look!” she exclaimed. We had one sequin left. One. And the banner was finished.

2. Unexpected company popped in at supper time. Cooked stew all day with just one pound of meat. Used up all the carrots and potatoes I had on hand. Enough for four, if we stretched it very thin. Sent up an arrow prayer to the One who supplies ALL my needs. Fed 8 people hearty bowls of stew – with enough left over for lunch the next day for two.

Prayer works. When we do what our God wants us to do, He takes care of us. Do what you can with what you have and let God take care of the rest.

Welcome your friend and his family with open arms. Train them to do what needs to be done. Thank God for providing someone to watch your back!

Lauri no e December 19, 2013 at 6:09 pm

+100

Encourager December 19, 2013 at 6:21 pm

Read my reply to my dh. He told me a story I had forgotten about. We were turning an old grocery store into a church. The guys were putting up chair railing. My dh went upstairs and realized there were only two long pieces left. He went downstairs and measured – they had one long 40′ hallway to do plus around the corner about 10 or so feet. They kept working. He went upstairs and what? There were more boards…they finished the hallways and had boards left over.

Another one – sorry, I am on a roll! Once a month our church put on a good breakfast between services. We prepared enough for about 50 people. We had over 60 extra people visiting that day who decided to stay for breakfast…

Went into the kitchen where my friend (same one who did the banner with me) was a bit freaked out because we did.not.have.enough. Then she got this funny look on her face and said “Sequins!” We just kept dishing up the food, going back for more and then more again. Had leftovers…God is good!

OhioPrepper December 22, 2013 at 1:37 am

Encourager,
For me it’s a scenario that’s false, since all of my “friends” have skills. I don’t spend time with any who don’t.

lurker judith December 19, 2013 at 6:38 pm

Actually, I would take several of my friends in depending which ones they were. Not for religious reasons but for self preservation. I have already planned for this in my preps. DH and I could not possibly guard against looters on our own so the more the merrier.

OhioPrepper December 22, 2013 at 12:38 am

To me, it would depend on how you use the term “friend”. All of my friends have skills and are people much like myself, whether they are preppers or not. If you’re simply talking about acquaintances or neighbors you barely know, especially if you have tried to make them wake up and have some supplies and skills, then as hard as it might be, I would have to send them on the way.

Patti December 26, 2013 at 12:59 am

I know I am late on this one…I think I would take them in.

I always try to hire the right person, because the right person can learn the job I need them to do. I think this is the same.

A friend would be a kind person with good character and work ethic and I can train them. Taking the right person in, and training them to survive and be useful to others also makes them very loyal to my family. Win, win.

Nemo Seto December 27, 2013 at 8:09 am

given where I live and how most of my food storage is produced (on a small self sufficient farm) the only time I could not easily replenish for 3-4 months would be around Christmas when I have to wait for the snow to go. if their home was ransacked it either happened when they were out with no one home to watch it, or they were over powered and forced to flee, in such case my place could be targeted next. the extra numbers would be useful in keeping the supplies safe, although it will be risky an lean times in the month between when the food runs out and early spring greens, the extra hands will be useful when planting time comes and they will replenish far more than they used, even without skills they can be trained and they will work for their keep

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