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 Conflicted Tuesday

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Reports of an outbreak of a deadly version of the flu virus has suddenly surfaced at a city 300 miles from you. This news is two days old, and no treatments or cures are available at this time. The mainstream media tries to muffle the case, the alternative media is reporting a major disaster with dozens of deaths already. The reports from the different outlets are extremely conflicting. How would you go about investigating this further until you made a firm decision to bug out or stay put?

Looking forward to the discussion in the comments below…

Comments

  1. NemoSeto says:

    I live in an off grid farmstead in a remote area of bogs and mountains where I’m at least 100 miles from anything. I would not investigate any further and just stay home

  2. NemoSeto says:

    not that I’m far from anything, there are plenty of other farms and tracts of forest but the biggest city in 50 miles is a village with a population under 5000. everything else is small hamlets with populations around 400, no jobs and nothing to look at except Amish horses and tractors, and lots of corn and trees.

  3. Tactical G-Ma says:

    Isolate me and mine. Talk via phone, radio, web to reliable sources, hopefully friends or family with 1st hand knowledge. This is another great reason to participate in HAM radio. We have always been told to stay home when sick. Certainly isolation is not all to be done. A sick room or building must be prepared for anyone showing the sickness. And it is important to learn how the flu is transmitted. I do not see bugging out as an option. Reading and learning about the Spanish Flu outbreak in 1918 will be helpful. We always hope that viruses will mutate fast and be short lived. But that one took 2 years to burn out and we were far less transient than today.

    • jamullins says:

      Remember that if the epidemic is truly coming your way to do your best to establish stocks of fuel to power your home and devices, fresh water for drinking, cooking, and sanitary needs, and establish a home defense plan to include physical security such as fences, lighting, restricted access to external stores, and so on as well as family procedures to handle emergencies and safety concerns.

      If you are a successful holdout in a time of crisis others will target you wanting aid, shelter, or just your stuff (and not you). You will have to decide ahead of time what level of aid, if any, you are willing to offer others.

      There are few reliable media sources in the world. Most can be manipulated, suppressed, discredited, or simply shut down by the authorities. This can happen even if they are telling the truth simply to limit panic and social disorder. Control may seem to be the primary method of bad government, but it is the best defense against a plague to limit the unpredictable acts that can contribute to the spread of a deadly disease.

      That being said, check with travel sources like CIA.org for any warnings issued about travel to or from foreign nations, check with the CDC online for any advice or warnings, check with FEMA online as well. Many local news sources are sensationalistic by trade and may not get away from such trends in their reporting right away and skew the facts mistakenly.

      The best source will be to follow your local law enforcement and emergency broadcasts, take copious notes, and keep up to date maps of affected streets/areas in your town.

      If you decide to stay in your area following the late information given in this scenario follow three simple rules at all times;
      1. Limit exposure to potential infection by staying at home as much as possible. Don’t go to work, open shops, or deal with the public at large.
      2. Quickly establish your family survival plan, stock up with supplies if you can do it without risk, and batten down the hatches.
      3. Immediately begin gathering what information you can and start to map out a real picture of what id happening in your town/area as best you can.

      Investigating the situation to make a decision as described in this scenario is dealing with a fast moving threat after it may already be a real danger to you. Don’t simply look for facts that may help you make a decision to stay or go, prepare to face the worst. If it turns out to be nothing all you have done is overreacted on the side of surviving.

      • I work in a call center, and talk to around 80 people a day, generally all from the local region. I always ask how they are doing, and people will tell you about the bad flu that is going around, and stuff like that. If I talk to more than 3 or 4 people who talk about how bad the flu is or how many people are off work because of it, I ask for more details. If it’s really local, I can then decide whether to leave work early, and call in sick the next day. I don’t have a sick room, as my place is too small for that. But we do have a divided hall way that allows for an airlock entry to and from the bedroom.

    • Regarding your sick room, how would you tend to the sick? Would you leave them to fend for themselves, have a group member care for them and return to the group, leave a healthy member in the isolation area to tend for the sick….always wondered what we would do one one of our members was sick, especially if it was a fatal disease.

      • Tactical G-Ma says:

        WVMike
        I saw a great video a few years ago on setting up a sick room. I think it may have been on Doom and Bloom or YouTube. Everyone should have N95 masks, gloves, goggles, clothes that can be bleached and boiled, sanitizers, and methods to keep the bodies hydrated and temperatures down. Since an influenza epidemic is probably the most likely huge emergency we face at this time in the U.S. everyone should be up on isolation, sick rooms, treatments, and quaratine. In the event of an epidemic of flu there will be no hospitals, just morgues. Stay home and nurse your own.

  4. I think the best way is your local hospital. If it is real they will have been warned both to be ready for an influx as well as what level their staff need to protect themselves. Call infection control and tell them you have been visited by a group do sick people and should you come in for a shot or something? If they tell you no big deal stay home and see if symptoms start to show, it probably hasn’t reached your area. If they tell you to come in right away and let them run some tests on you, probably time to head for the Retreat!

    • jamullins says:

      If FEMA is already involved you would be advised to stay home to limit any potential for further spreading the disease, that a FEMA contact team would be sent to your home (to evaluate the situation and administer any vaccines), and you would be advised that your exposure means that you can possibly spread the disease further if you leave your home (plus, as a possible carrier if you leave home it can be considered a criminal act.).

      Remember, if you call a threat hotline (any actually get to talk with someone in less than a year’s hold time) not only have you placed a call that adds to those already coming in, the people on the other end of the line will regard the call as significant and that can lead to the allocation of resources to help you. That means management on several levels so your call will not be merely dismissed.

    • axelsteve says:

      With obamacare I would not trust the hospitals. They are just part of the regime now.

      • Tactical G-Ma says:

        Ax
        It’s not just Obama care but hospital beds are limited. Doctors, Nurses, and staff get sick too. The NG may set up MASH units but we wouldn’t want to risk national security by tying up our military resources. There really will be no help at getting well.

    • Hospitals are big business. Doctors and staff sign contracts that prohibits them from talking to the media or releasing information to the public. Even if you call the hospital hotline during an emergency it is doubtful that you would get any information.

      • Encourager says:

        And that is why it is important to have contacts inside the hospital. I have my ds, and also am friends with some nurses who work in a hospital. Also, am on very good terms with my mil’s doctor, who has shared inside stuff with me and is also a prepper.

  5. With the Internet it is doubtful a major epidemic could be kept under wraps. The number one resource is FluTrackers. This is a worldwide network of medical personnel who log on anonymously and report cases of infectious disease. After the SARS epidemic, medical staff worldwide learned their governments cannot be trusted. And, recall, it was medical staff that was largely affected by SARS.

    The real question here is at what point do you pull the trigger, so to speak? When do you decide to pull the kids out of school and tell your employer that you will only be able to work from home? The only safe way to deal with a highly virulent flu epidemic is social distancing–to keep everyone inside for the duration. Either you are prepared now to bug in for a few months or you will have to go out at some point, thus putting yourself and your family at risk.

    • jamullins says:

      Just remember that bugging out in an epidemic isn’t the same as a flood, fire, or even an invasion. In most situations banding together as refugees increases survival chances. But, during an epidemic the conditions of survival often make traveling together riskier than traveling alone or with just your family.

      Every time you come into contact with others you could be exposing you and yours to danger. This can make traveling very uncomfortable, even deadly, when social trust breaks down.

      Choosing to head to a retreat could be more dangerous than trying to stay where you are and weather the storm as it were.

    • Members of your group should pull the kids from school and have the old members stay home while you investigate, as young & old are most susceptible. If your group doesn’t already have a sick room plan look one up, and pick up masks , gowns , and disinfectants. Make sure those that do go out to work practice good hygiene and clean up as soon as they are home. Watch out for people like Dan Savage that lick doorknobs of people they don’t like when sick.

      The most important piece of information about deadly flu is if any of the dying are of your demographic. Evolution has given out slightly different immune systems and the overwhelming majority of adult age range deaths of the various H_N_ in the US had been blacks & non-hidalgo Hispanics, that was not reported in media until afterwards. I hit up elderberry during the flu season, and you should try to have everyone well nourished/hydrated.

      • I have given a lot of thought to the higher hospitalization and death rates of Blacks and Hispanics from the flu. I have yet to find a study that controls for obesity. In the U.S., Blacks and Hispanics have a significantly higher rate of obesity and morbid obesity. We know that morbid obesity like HIV/AIDS and COPD is a significant risk factor for complications from the flu. I actually think the higher death rates of Blacks and Hispanics is the result of obesity and morbid obesity rather than race.

        • Tactical G-Ma says:

          Bam Bam
          Blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans as well as the indigent are more prone to malnutrition and Diabetes. Type 2 diabetes increases chance of morbidity significantly. Obesity and poor nutrition kills the body’s ability to function properly. But my mother, her mother, and her sisters were never over-weight or unfit and all had type 2 diabetes by 60yo. Our ancestry is Anglo-American-Heinz57 predating the Revolution. Go figure.
          One more thing – I recommend there be a seperate quarantine location other than the sick room. Throw the late arrivals the key to the camper or shed or throw out your tent and blankets for them to set up a camp. Do not let them in your house until they go through quarantine. And if someone is already in your sick room they shouldn’t want to come in.

        • Sickle cell disease used to be used as an argument against Darwinism. All of the associated problems with it seemed to be a good argument that Darwinism didn’t do its job because of the respiratory, circulatory, & renal problems that come with it but it turns out that Sickle cell helps blacks survive malaria without the meds that Whitey brought to Africa. Sickle cell is even more of a risk factor for problems than crack.

  6. Id take a drive out there, fully masked and vested up. Something like this, as important as this, I need to see it with my own eyes to make a firm decision one way or another.

    • jamullins says:

      Put some bleach, water, scrub brushes, and garbage bags in your trunk. In a sealed bag place a tent, spare clothing, and another safety over garment.

      Use the bleach and water to do a quick decon of you and your car if you run into a chance exposure, or you just aren’t sure. Work your way out of the suit you have on, step into the tent, decon your skin if you feel you need to, put on the fresh clothing, drink some water, suit up, and drive on home. Be sure to put all potentially exposed items into garbage bags to be properly decontaminated or disposed of later.

  7. JP in MT says:

    I’ll just pull the rock over my head, and we’ll stay home. With no real reason to be out there (DW’s job can wait) we’ll just sit this one out. A few phone calls will set up our local “information grid” and with services still available the only issue will be sorting through the “official” BS and getting to the quality information.

  8. As a licensed HAM radio operator and a former county Emergency Coordinator, My HAM radio is the best source for real news. The coordinator position gave me access to FEMA alerts via the internet, which I get on a regular basis, nearly daily right now. Lots of good information that the Lame stream media does not report. I would encourage every one to get that HAM licenses ASAP. For you off grid folks a decent Ham radio system can be 12 volt battery powered and last a very long time. My system only draws about 10 total watts.

    As far as this situation is concerned I would monitor the frequencies dedicated to local county and state police and fire dispatch. Appropriate action would be taken when and if the situation dictates.

  9. Anytime the mainstream media adopts it’s “all is well, nothing to see here” attitude it is time to head for the hills and avoid all human contact….LOL

    • Coyote Troy says:

      When isn’t that the media storyc only if it involves guns or teapartiers.

  10. tommy2rs says:

    I’m far enough from any cities that I wouldn’t bother doing any investigating. I’d just watch remotely via the web and the shortwave. Snail mail would be the biggest vector for me to worry about but I have a burn barrel for that down by the gate anyway. Definitely wouldn’t be ordering anything or going off the mountain. I would start a few quarts of various tinctures going from supplies I have stockpiled so I’d have a good supply of my daily potion just in case. Otherwise the cities can choke and die (and good riddance) as far as I’m concerned.

    • Let your mail sit on the porch for two days–the flu virus cannot survive outside a host for more than 48 hours max.

  11. patientmomma says:

    I would try to verify any information, checking the sources already mentioned by others. Since most of my family has respiratory weaknesses, I would prepare for the worst. I already have supplies on hand to home-treat common illnesses, but I would obtain as much of what I feel is needed for the long haul. Since our society is highly mobile, I doubt I would wait until “authorities” confirmed the information. I would close up the homestead and keep my “better safe than sorry” attitude.

    The problem occurs when family members want to come to your house to be safe. If you have kids, parents, brothers, sisters, etc., in another city or state… Families automatically want to draw together in time of trouble. Will you and your community allow extended family in or close up tightly?

    • Patient Mama,

      You could set up a sick room and have folks stay there until you know they are not sick. Depending on the particular strain of the flu that could be anywhere from 3-10 days. If there’s no fever after 10 days in isolation, they’re good.

  12. mom of three says:

    I would pack up and go to my parent’s, we can survive better at their place. Where we live our homes are right next to each other, I don’t think I could stay. Kids, can stay home and my boss would shut down we own our business, we would close up shop until it was safe.

  13. Rider of Rohan says:

    I would be in a position to bug out, or I could stay put, so waiting for more information would not put me in any additional danger. My family and I would just stay home until we found out for sure. In some ways, staying put would be my best option. I have anti-viral tinctures and syrup on hand, and I have extra raw materials to make more if needed. My problem with bugging out is that extended family from places like Houston, etc, could show up at some point. They would be the ones most likely to be contaminated or sick. So in the event of a pandemic, we’re probably staying put unless things get violent. Any other event, we’re headed to the family farm, it’s less than 1 hr. away, so we wouldn’t have to come in contact with anyone. I keep all vehicles over half full at all times, and store 25 gal. of gasoline as well. Have six large totes with FD food, water filters, paper plates, plastic utensils, sugar, coffee, salt, spices, plastic bags, tarps, etc. ready to go. Could also grap super pails of rice, beans, sugar, oats, and wheat if I had extra time. Plus everyone has a BOB, and I have a dedicated medical tote with a variety of medicines, herbs, etc. And a special flu kit with masks, respirators, anti-virals, Advil, Tylenol, vitamins, mucinex, NBC suit, trash bags, tarp and vodka(for tinctures, lol).

    I read this story yesterday about a Christian lady and her brother who were trapped in their home for 700 days during the siege of Homs in Syria, and made it through alive. Here’s the link:

    http://www.aol.com/article/2014/06/11/syrian-woman-survives-700-days-trapped-in-house/20910658/

    • That’s quite a story, Rider. Interesting that looters looted multiple times rather than take everything the first time.

      In this couple’s case, resistance may have been suicide. In some cases the enemy forces are so superior that surrender is the only survivable option, and that is without any assurance that those who surrender will not be executed. Certain Death versus Maybe Death.

  14. I’d double my intake of colloidal silver, forget the investigation, make sure everyone with me was taking their silver, and sit tight.

  15. Family Prepper says:

    There are many factors you will need to establish before you make any rash decisions. First off over 35,000 people die in the United states every year from influenza so a few dozen deaths are not really that alarming or truthfully newsworthy. A few things to find out would be the age of the deceased and if they had any preexisting conditions. If they were old, very young, or were already weakened by failing health this really isn’t that exciting of a statistic. If they were healthy middle aged individuals then you need to start paying attention. Where all these people related or connected to each other or are they all separate and unrelated cases? How was it spreading? How long did it take to show symptoms from when they were expected to have contracted the disease? How soon after seeing symptoms did they die? Did any of these people travel in the last week or weeks in/out of the country and to/from where? Is this disease isolated to this one city or is it popping up in other parts of the country or world?
    Fortunately my wife works in a hospital and they are typically informed pretty early on of any new diseases and the symptoms to be aware of. Unfortunately my wife works in a hospital where she is more likely to be exposed to something and bring it home with her. To boot she is pregnant and at a higher risk of contracting something and having more adverse reactions if she does; not to mentions the possibility of losing the baby. We also both work so our other children are at daycare and exposed to several other children and thus their extended families. Anyone with children knows how quickly things spread in daycares and schools.
    With all this in mind I would make sure and keep an eye on all media sources as well as getting as much information from the hospital where my wife works. Hospital employees are “gossip whores”. If there was something going on it wouldn’t stay secret for long, at least not among the staff. In the mean time I would be talking with my family that live in a small town about 4.5 hours away and let it be known that we might be coming to visit if it looks as though this might be taking a turn for the worst.

    • Encourager says:

      My son works in a hospital so he keeps on top of all developments. If it was bad, he would come here with all his supplies. They, and he, would all be decontaminated and he would be placed in isolation for the duration of the contagious period. My other son would have to drive 12 hours to get here. He would leave immediately when his brother calls him. He would have to go through the same isolation.

  16. KS Judy says:

    Stay home in a self-imposed quarantine. If I or mine must go out in public, wear a face mask. Would also double up on the hand washing.

    Why is running(bugging out) always one of the options? It’s one of the stupidest things anyone can do, in my opinion. Unless your house is about to be swallowed by fire, flood, earthquake or chemical/radioactive spill; why become a refugee? If you have taken the time to stock your larder why run away? Call me naive, if you want, but running away is not why I have a well-stocked pantry.

  17. Coyote Troy says:

    I have a cousin who is a doctor at a university hospital, and my wife works in scheduling for another hospital group. Both are on the lookout for this very situation. I hope to have a good amount of information from the source. Incubation and viral strength info.

    My plan would be to bug in until that isn’t possible, I don’t want to be exposed to a virulent group or detained in a quarantine by fema because I was in an infected area.

    Hunker down and load the guns.

  18. if this was a SERIOUS/DEADLY outbreak we would bug in…..seal up the house….i would wear a mask to go to work if i had to go to work.we could stay in our house for many weeks and not need supplies.

  19. D in MN says:

    I would use the reports from more reliable news source, not the lame-stream news which sweeps every scandal under the rug.

    Epidemics like this usually spread when the weather turns cold in winter and people are in close quarters to catch and spread diseases, not so much in the summer. I would take precautions anyway even though I live isolated. I would increase my anti-oxidants, vitamin C and other virus fighting minerals and vitamins, and keep fit like I do now.

    I wear rubber gloves and use anti viral and bacterial solution 10 -20 times a day at work, and I work alone half the time in the forest, so summer threat is not so big. I am off work in winter when these viruses spread the worst, so I can hunker down and not see anyone until spring with my 6 month supplies. I would nuke my incoming mail so no viruses from the outside can contaminate me.

  20. Country Vet says:

    I would immediately log on to this site to see what the rest of the pack has to say because I am sure that under those circumstances MD would have immediately set up a link for all of us to post to . There are enough of us from various professions in various parts of the country to have an excellent built in surveillance system. If there is any real evidence the threat is real, it is lock down time. Family comes home, gates sealed for the duration. No one in, no one out. We are well prepared to be able to stay put an extended time period independent from the outside world. Today bills can be accessed and paid by phone or computer. Do not touch “outside source” money or mail for the duration.

  21. We will stay home, here is why.
    January 2014 they were going to protection mode(face masks, gloves, gowns in the ICU)while dh was in there after his second major abdominal surgery. There were patients being helicoptered in from a small town to the north of us with symptoms they did not fit the normal illness, and it was spreading. They transferred dh out of ICU asap for his protection, but in IMCU. With in a few days every hospital up to & over the Oregon boarder to San Francisco were packed with patients that were very ill. They ran out of beds and some patients went over into Nevada. It was H1N1 flu, it came from a student they believe home on holiday. It took 3 days to confirm patient zero was exposed & ill. Now imagine everyone that was in close contact with that person and then went home to family, friends, out amongst the public.
    Followed the safety procedures while dh & I were in ICU when they started coming in, spoke with patient zeros wife before we knew what was wrong with him.
    It was just that quick, so your warning might only be hours, and not days.

  22. The question is… How would you go about investigating this further until you made a firm decision to bug out or stay put?
    1. I would pay close attention to all media sources. Lame stream and alternative.
    2. I’d watch this blog very closely as it’s members seem to be everywhere and well informed.
    3. I would pay particular attention to both the State Emergency and State Health web sites.
    If I can call it in time, I will make one last trip to the stores and then pull up the draw bridge and stop feeding the gators in the moat.

    • Sagewolf says:

      If you live where alligators live they may be a valid obstacle to those who maybe infected. If you actually built a mote around your home and stock it with gators . Just be careful you or a loved one does not get eaten.

      A plague would be the worst thing to happen. Most things we worry about are survivable, but a virus will kill and it can spread. Most disasters don’t spread and the few that do you can see coming from a distance. If fact a plague will probably happen after a Major disaster causing more grief and hardship.

      • There are ‘gators in the Houston area and some get pretty large. But no I don’t have a moat.
        In the event of a major national or world wide collapse, disease will be responsible for the second and largest kill off.

        • Tactical G-Ma says:

          Ron
          After the last big quake in Haiti, the UN set up a relocation center and field hospital. The septic system was incorrectly engineered and not only did people get Cholera, but it was a whole new strain. To make matters worse, that strain was carried into Central America and Mexico. Typhus, hepatitis, cholera, dysentery, E. Coli, and whoknowswhat goes with disasters. Everyone needs to learn how to keep their family safe. And an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

          • TG-Ma, here is the start of an article I started a while back and never finished.

            I’ve been thinking about the wonders of mosquito netting. It’s simplicity and its many uses. Been thinking about the value of netting after the grid goes down and the summer heat makes sleeping difficult. Been thinking about the value of netting after the first and second major die offs occur and the flies and mosquitoes will be carrying 3rd world diseases like this country has never seen?

            I then got distracted, researched and wrote an article about a Bio attack on the US that failed.

            • Tactical G-Ma says:

              Ron
              Earlier this week a new malaise carried by skeeters was reported stateside. It isn’t deadly but is quite debilitating. Requires a round of antibiotics and can affect the joints for as long as a year. I say netting is necessary.

              On another hand, the CDC reported today that researchers were accidentally exposed to live anthrax samples. But the public shouldn’t be concerned and those exposed will be receiving treatment. What? They accidentally distributed live anthrax to unsuspecting labs and we are not to be concerned?

              • Check your window screens. keep them in good condition. Don’t open outside doors after dark for any longer then absolutely required and have skeeter netting as a back up.

                As for the anthrax report. It seems the spores were kept in the lab(s). It’s not spread person to person but the lab protocols failed. No immediate danger to anyone other then workers but they need to tighten up the protocols.

                • Tactical G-Ma says:

                  Ron
                  The ineptitude of the CDC astounds me. There is no threat to the public this time.

                  • G-Ma,
                    The CDC is made up of people. People screw up. And no I don’t see a threat at this time, from what I know.

  23. Bwhntr59 says:

    First off never believe the authorities or the MSM. They lie and obsfucate the truth or real gravity of any bad situation to avoid panic. My group would limit travel and any exposure with strangers. utilize all biohazard precautions that we have prepped for and hunker down. That is why we have all prepped and thought out ( hopefully ) these types of scenarios. Read your Bible. In Revelation we are told that a major portion of the earths population will die of plagues/ disease.

    • Country Vet says:

      Bwhntr59
      Amen! NEVER trust the information from the authorities- they may well be where it came from! I fully expect whatever pandemic we will eventually face to be bio-engineered- either by our own government or another. In the past year alone there have been numerous outbreaks of diseases all over the world, that have caused deaths but that have NOT been identified,- some with what appears to be very strange epidemiology. I strongly suspect that some of these are “test” pockets. We must all stay on high alert and remember that things are not always what they seem.

      • Tactical G-Ma says:

        Bw and CV
        Agreed. And at least 50% of stuff proven by science is reversed or at least revised within 20 years. Nothing is objective when humans are involved. Trust God and history. We have been told and shown. I don’t usually argue a point because either you get it or you don’t. When it happens IMHO one more trip to the store, or work, or school will likely be lethal to you or someone you love. Paint big quarantine signs all over your property and do not allow anyone close without decontamination and quarantine. If you don’t know how to deal with flu you need a crash course. When H5N1 broke out a few years back, many of us had to wait for a year for a flu shot that maybe would help. I am adamant about this because my DH’s grandfather died in a tent hospital in Connecticut in 1919 just months before DH’s father was born. That was H1N1.

    • I never said I would believe or trust the msm or authorities. I said I would pay close attention to them. I didn’t think I needed to add that they can tell us a lot by how they say things and even more with what they don’t say. I figured you all knew that already.

  24. Right now we would bug in. Keep the kids home from school, stay home from work, limit contact with others. Keep an eye on everyone for symptoms. Begin protocols of disinfecting/ separating family. Keep in contact with friends and family that work hospitals, and are in the military, police, and fire companies to monitor possible local outbreaks.

  25. My group has several former military members and I have a friend who works as a civilian contractor at the local air force base. We would receive notice that the base was going in to lock down mode and would immediately bug out. I envy those who are already living at their bug out locations. Family obligations keep me trapped in the city.

  26. Okay, pandemic itself isn’t really a bug ‘out’ sort of thing, more of a bug in.
    I would be proceeding to get out my old infection supplies (masks, gloves, sanitizers) and go to the store/pharmacy to get plentiful replacements and updates for all my pandemic bug in supplies (mostly OTC medical stuff like anti-diarrhea, decongestants, vitamins, etc..)
    I would also top off all fuel and other perishable supplies. Then it is time to bug in- most pandemics come in waves with the first wave having the most resources to assist the ill so less deadly than some of the following waves, and the last wave burning out the population that is still susceptible. After the first wave has mostly passed it is time to re-top off supplies and get set to bug in again for the following wave.

  27. Grey, the key to that “last run to the store” is to be the first to make it. Before everyone else starts waking up to the idea that there may be a problem, If the parking lot is full? Turn around and go home.

    • Encourager says:

      Look and see if there is a 24 hour grocery store in your area. Then go when you know it should be pretty empty – 2-3AM, as long as that is not between shifts from some factory nearby. The least people the better. And you will never know if the groceries you buy were handled by a stock-person who was sick with whatever you are trying to avoid; or loaded on the truck by a sick person, etc. Make sure all is wiped down with bleach solution and set to dry.

      • OK but if I figure it out at 10:30 am I am out the door and at the store by 10:45 at the latest and max out the cards by 11:30!
        Wiping down with a bleach solution might be a very good idea. Thanks