Thank Goodness for the Wal-Mart Return Policy.
Most of us consider air rifles toys or training tools for the young. This is a mistake. When used within limitations air rifles can be effective survival tools.
Last weekend, I stopped at Wal-Mart for dog food, but as usual meandered over to sporting goods before leaving the store. I’d been looking for another air rifle, so I started looking at the ones they had on display.
One that caught my eye was the Crosman Titan GP – a .22 caliber break barrel with nitro piston and boasting a velocity of 950 fps. The rifle felt heavy in the box, the thumb-hole stock looked well made and the metal sporting a nice clean finish.
I’ll admit spending $149.00 on anything immediately starts my stomach churning, but I knew I could take it back for a refund, if it failed to perform. I hate a lot of things about Wal-Mart, but the return policy isn’t one of them. If a product doesn’t meet my expectations, they’re getting it back.
The rifle came with a CenterPoint 4×32 optical sight and rings, (no iron sights) however, I elected to mount a Bushnell Banner 3-9×40 instead. With the sight mounted, it was time to adjust point of impact.
This is where the disappointment started. I spent the better part of three hours shooting, adjusting, shooting and adjusting. Accuracy with this rifle was so bad, sighting in was impossible.
Shooting from 15 yards, the pellets would go eight inches to the left and six inches high, the next four inches low and nine to the right. A few were dead on. I replaced the Bushnell with the sight that came with the rifle, thinking defective optics were at fault.
But, unfortunately the results were the same. 
I changed through three different type of pellets, shooting over one hundred of each. But the rifle never varied from sling-shot accuracy. I can honestly say this is the least accurate rifle, I’ve shot.
In defense, the rifle could have been a poor quality example from the lot. I have a Trail NP All Weather from the same manufacturer and love it. I don’t know.
How about you have you had any experience with Crosman Titan GP? What happened?
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I don’t own that particular rifle, but have heard mostly positive comments about it. Maybe some fool dry fired the gun – was their any evidence of the box being opened, or maybe the display gun? Most of their folks attending the sporting good desk aren’t gun savvy and were just transfered from housewares, and aren’t aware of the damage that occurs.
Another thought – could the action be lose in stock? Or could it be the way you were holding it. Spring Pistons are notorious for requiring a very light ‘artillery hold’ (look it up if you don’t know what I’m talking about), but I don’t think accuracy would be that bad.
About the scope – you might have damaged it putting it on an air rifle, unless it was specifically designed for springer air rifles. A nasty recoil of back and forth (rather than simply back for powder rifles) has been a real scope killer.
I hope you get it squared away soon.
j.r. guerra in s. TX,
You’re correct the action and type of recoil is hard on rifle scopes that aren’t made for the purpose. That’s why I replaced the Bushnell with the one that came with the rifle. As I said in the post same result.
No sign of the package being opened or the rifle being dry fired and the stock and action were both tight. Yep, I know about the “artillery hold” hold wasn’t an issue.
Like I said, I have one of their other rifle and have been happy with it.
Anyway I fixed the problem via the Return to Wal-Mart.
Like all spring guns, they are hold sensitive. The way you hold them greatly impacts where you pellets go. They also require a break in period which will take a tin of pellets to do so. Not to mention, no two air guns are the same. One may like one pellet, another gun will like a different pellet. Don’t buy something that you don’t know much about in the first place. I bought one and it been nothing short of amazing for its price point. Just needs a trigger job and a better scope. For its power range and it having a nitrogen gas powered spring over a metal coil spring which most springers are, makes it a steal. If it shoots as well after 1000 shots, I am keeping it!
Mlee20,
I own this pellet rifle and it took a little more than 1,000 rounds for it to really shine at 30 yards. I didn’t replace the stock scope (Center Point 4X32) and I used the crosman premier hollow point pellets. In conclusion, this has been a great buy for $150.00 and I would recommend it to other people.
DR_NO
I bought this rifle and had some of the same problems. However I made it a keeper. The screws are to short for the scope mount. Made longer screws. The mounts are only fair as with the scope. It took about 500 rounds to see accuracy. This rifle needs a one piece mount – it has a lot of recoil. With a ton of loc tite and remounting – it still moves after a hundred rounds. This is a big part of the accuracy problem. The other is all the screws came loose all over the rifle after a hundred rounds. I replaced all main screws with stainless steel ones. The originals wore out and looked stripped after 600 pellets. This helped keep everything tight. I wish it had iron sights. That is the best way to break in an air rifle and still have fun. If I had to go back in time I would have bought the one with iron sights from an air gun dealer. I bought this one at Walmart to try the piston in .22. As for the trigger, it was of a newer design and still mediocre. I tried to adjust it for days…. I got it down to about 1.5 – 2″ accuracy at 15 yards. THat was still unacceptable. So I then took a GRT!!! trigger out of one my other air rifles and tried it. Made a huge differnce. Brought accuracy to about 1/2 inch groups. I tried 5 different kinds of pellets and I still think the Crosman hp might have only a slight edge. I am still trying pellets.
wolf83,
Well…A few days ago the stock scope on my Crosman Titan GP (Center Point 4×32) crapped out on me so I bought another Center Point 4×32 scope online and now I’m back in business @ 30 yards. Yea, I know that it’s not a high price pellet rifle but, it works for me. My grouping is about an 1.5 to 2.0 inches and I do use a sand bag to assist. I feel that the NP technology is like comparing VHS vs. BETA and I love it. Personally, I think it’s a great buy for the money.
Best Regards,
DR_NO
I agree! I bought the same Titan GP at Wally world. At first, I could not get it dialed in. I was shooting all over the place. I was using Gamo 21gr. pellets. It turns out, the Gamo’s have a much longer “skirt” and were being pinched when returning the barrel to the locked position. Really bad news for aerodynamics with a deformed skirt. After switching over to Benji discovery 14.7 gr., I’ve got nice tight groups. P.S. I took out a 30 lb. coon with one head shot @ about 35 yds.
I like the gun. All new or disapointed owners should check for the dreaded “skirt pinch”!
Mike,
I ordered a replacement trigger from Charlie DaTuna for my Crosman Titan GP rifle and it has been a dream to shoot.
My grouping has greatly improved to 1″ because of the smooth trigger pull.
If you can spend the 30 bucks it will be money well spent.
Best Regards,
DR_NO
This air rifle has some serious power for the money and what it is. I chronyed it and was getting 17 foot pounds of muzzle energy with crosman hallow points! They wont get up to 800 feet per second but this is more than enough power to take back yard pest out quickly.
To add more…
The trigger model is the GRT-III model from Charlie DaTuna.
Oh, Kudos on the ‘Coon head shot I, got a head shot myself on a squirrel at 30+ yards, good eaten.
The Best,
DR_NO
Hey Dr. No;
It’s good to hear that someone else is happy with the Titan. I think it’s a fine gun. I was actually thinking about a trigger job! Thanks for the info on Charlie De Tuna.
I bring that gun to the range all the time to get some 50 yard “trigger time” and its alwaya a blast to shoot.
I’m ordering a Stoeger x-50 this weekend from Pyramyd Air. Have you heard anything (good or bad) about them?
Mike Cicio (look me up on airgun space!)
P.S. That coon went down without even taking a step. Thats what he gets for coming in my yard and beating the s#*t out of my cat!
Mike,
I’m ordering some JSB .22 Cal, 15.9 Grains, Diabolo Exact Jumbo, 500ct, .22 cal., 500, 15.9 gr pellets from Pyramyd Air and I should get them on Friday. I will keep you posted on how well they group.
I Haven’t heard anything bad about Pyramyd Air and I’m looking to buy the Benjamin Trail NP XL 1100 from them soon “BT1122WNP”.
LOL, same with the squirrel, he just fell out of the tree and when I walked up to it I said “Head Shot” oh, “Shake and Bake”.
Peace Bro,
Rob Shaw alias “DR_NO”
Hey Mike,
I spent some time today shooting the JSB .22 Cal, 15.9 Grains, Diabolo Exact Jumbo, 500ct, .22 cal., 500, 15.9 gr pellets from Pyramyd Air and they were amazing with it’s grouping and how hard they hit.
Did you get your new scope yet? I curious to know how much better the peripheral view is and if the magnification is greatly improved.
I will see you in “Airgun Space” soon.
DR_NO “Shake and Bake”
Darn, forget to add above . . .
For the same price, a Benjamin 397 or 392 would be a good buy. Not quite as powerful as the above, but a pretty bulletproof design that is time tested. It is very light (maybe 1/2 the weight of above rifle) and takes down with a single screw to a smaller package.
I’d think on it – I have both versions – good buys as far as I’m concerned. The variable power is great for indoor vermin – a single pump will kill mice indoors with little wall penetration and small risk of ricochet. Good for small game / birds inside 25 yards. Great for a ‘backdoor’ rifle, as unlike a springer which cannot be left cocked for long periods of time, can be left in ready mode with no problems whatsoever.
I have also heard that putting a normal rifle scope on an air rifle is a recipe for scope destruction. Maybe the Bushnell is for air rifles, I don’t know.
No experience with that particular rifle… Have used and am considering the Gamo .22 Whisper. My friend’s was dead on accurate with the scope, and I was very impressed with it. However, it is a one round load, making multiple shots on a kill for your small game impossible.
For $149 you could get about 4500 .22 LR rounds from Walmart. To hell with an air rifle that might not even shoot 4500 BBs before it breaks. If you want a .22 LR rifle to be quieter, you could ‘theoretically’ tape an empty water bottle over the end of the barrel. JMHO
- Jack Veteran
You could tape an empty bottle to the end. Then you wouldn’t be able to use your sights, and even if you could, the deflection of the bullet due to striking the end of the bottle would render it as inaccurate (or more so) than the pellet rifle. Then, after the first shot punctured the bottle (likely splitting the plastic, not merely punching a clean hole), each subsequent shot would be nearly as loud (if not absolutely as loud) as having no bottle.
I suspect you watch too many bad action movies.
1. I suspect you’ve never been a country kid with a .22 rifle, but are just talking out your sixth point of contact.
2. M.D. was talking about using his scope, so no iron sights would be necessary.
3. It would be more accurate than the air gun he tested and if SHTF he’d still have 4500 .22 LR rounds to shoot or barter with vs. a POS BB gun.
Well smart guy, I take it you never went to airborne school, because your ass is your FOURTH point of contact.
Point:
1 – Balls of feet
2 – Calf
3 – Thigh
4 – Buttocks
5 – Pull up muscle
I didn’t say “iron” sights, I said sights, which would include optics. How high do you think the crosshairs of the scope are above the barrel? An inch, maybe? A 20 ounce soda bottle is about 3 inches at its widest point. Obviously, that would interfere.
Incidentally, some buddies and I tried it once on a 10/22. Having used real suppressors on M4′s we weren’t expecting much from the soda bottle by way of suppression (we weren’t able to aim due to the obstruction it created). Admittedly, the first shot was quiet, although useless since we couldn’t aim. The next shot, and all thereafter, seemed about as loud as the normal rifle.
Oh, by the way Jack, before joining the Army and going to airborne school, I did grow up in the country with a .22 rifle, on a farm in Iowa. In fact, I still have that .22 I shot as a kid, a Remington Nylon 12; neat little gun.
No, I never was airborne. I never feel the need to jump out of a perfectly good airplane. And I knew a lot of other 5-jump-chumps who ran around screaming ‘airborne’ in a loud and manly voice but who where never assigned to an airborne unit. Since you and your manly airborne buddies couldn’t figure out how to suppress a .22, I guess you’re saying no one ever could. But I know it works if done right, so I recommend others do some research. Or do like M.D. says and buy CB Caps – it’s even easier. Though I’m sure that you and your airborne buddies will have suppressed M4s, claymores, AT4s, etc. so you probably don’t have to worry about it. Oh, and the sixth point of contact is in reference to the same area, but a different checklist, but I’m sure you can figure that out, airborne.
I’ve heard enough jumpmaster briefings covering the five points of performance, the last of which is to land and execute a proper parachute landing fall, to recognize the fourth point of performance, and I’ve heard someone’s ass referred to often as the “fourth point of contact.” I considered that perhaps sixth point of contact meant something as well, and tried doing a Google search for that exact phrase. However, I was unable to find anything other than a couple of comments left by people using it as you had – to refer to someone’s rear end. It left me assuming that they were incorrectly quoting the often used airborne euphemism, just as I assumed you were.
All that aside, as I said earlier, the soda bottle taped securely to the end of a .22 does work to lessen the report for the first shot. Unfortunately, it only really works for that first shot, and there’s still the problem of not being able to aim.
That you would suggest it as a realistic option speaks volumes to your experience and credibility, or rather, the lack thereof. Still sounds like you watch too much bad TV.
Josh, Congratulations, you went to school for 3 weeks to learn how to jump out of airplanes. You’ve listened to jumpmasters tell you what to do many times. What does that or any of your other b.s. have to do with the question M.D. posted about air rifles? I posted my opinion, what do you have to say about the issues besides sharpshooting my post? We could compare dd214′s all day and I know I won’t come out lacking, but all you want to talk about is you, you, you. So, what do you have to say that contributes to this discussion, cause so far you’re just coming across as some kind of ass who likes to talk sh*t, but can’t stay on topic.
Jack,
Unfortunately the two-litter soda bottle taped to the end of the barrel doesn’t work very well. The .22 CB Cap when fired from an unaltered firearm is quiter and more accurate.
M.D., If you want a quieter round, I’d still spend the $149 on a lot of .22 CB Caps rather than a BB/pellet gun. And if you want something total quiet to bring in game, I bought some of the metal traps from Tractor Supply, and they have really worked well with peanut butter to catch possum and raccoon. I’d rather have .22 CB Caps or some traps over an air rifle.
I don’t think you’re going to make a water bottle into a silencer, but Youtube and various forums discuss ways to make it a better suppressor.
Jack,
I have a good supply of CB caps but never hurts to have a few boxes more.
The traps you bought at tractor supply (Have-A-Heart?) work well but are expensive. You can make your own for almost nothing if you use scrap lumber.
See
http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/2009/03/homemade-box-trap.html
I was sort of wondering about the aiming reference, if you will, thing like ahab pointed out. After looking at the Crosman website and seeing their break-action air rifles with scopes, I assumed that wasn’t the problem since they put scopes on like that from the factory. Maybe that is the problem and it’s a bad idea for them to attach scopes to the receiver portion of the air rifle.
With respect to CB caps – I’m familiar with the CB cap (in concept), but I’ve never used them, and I’m not sure I’ve ever even seen them for sale anywhere. But, I’m assuming due to their size that in a weapon with a magazine like a 10/22 that they a) would not properly load into the magazine, and/or b) not properly feed from the magazine, and c) not cycle the action. Is that correct? Do you they work in, say, a bolt action with a tubular magazine, or a semi-auto with a tubular magazine if you cycle the action manually, or do they only really work to load single shot at a time?
I never had good luck with Crossman. I had alot of the Chinese air rifles when they first came out. They were not very accurate too. I have owned Beemans and they were ok. The air gun I currently own is a Benjamin Blue Streak 5.0mm. It is very acccurate. I sight it in on my rifle rest. Starlings are a problem around my martin poles and the Benjamin solves that problem. I have found that each airgun shoots best using Beeman pellets. Currently I use Beeman Ram jet pellets which I only can find online.
j.r. guerra is right about it being accurate with just a few pumps. It is not accurate with alot of pumps but it is deadly. At close range, where you can’t miss it is like a 22. IMHO
I bought a Crosman Titan GP last week, and after spending the better part of a day getting the scope zeroed in, I’m quite happy with it. The scope provided is a fixed focus 4X – a cheap scope, but it actually suits the rifle fairly well. I did use third party mounting rings, which settled in after about 100+ shots and several adjustments. The gun was very greasy and smoked a lot during the 100+ shot break-in. At this point, the scope is well aligned, with no more movement and I can get very tight groupings with this gun. The trigger pull was horrible, but it does have an adjustment, which I’m still trying to optimize. Overall, I’m extremely pleased with this pellet gun – the Crosman pellets seem to work best with it. I tried some Gammo pellets, but they were too long and the action sliced of the end off leaving bits of lead slivers. Overall, I found that after the break-in period, this gun is very accurate, quiet, and has little recoil – a very, very nice gun for the price.
Update: the crosman premier hollow point pellets are not really the best with this rifle after all. I experimented a bit more with Gamo pellets and found that some types provided closer groupings, but off center, when zero-in using the CPHPs. I’ve found the Beeman dark grey all-purpose pellets to give the tightest groupings of any I’ve tried so far. The Crosman Titan GP and the Beeman pellets are a really great combination! I’ve re-zeroed using the Beeman pellets, and I now really love this gun!
thanks for your input. I will try the Beeman pellets. I tried all the Gamos and the round hunter did well. THe Crosman HPs are consisitent and cheap. I ordered some Exact domes that have not arrived yet. So far this rifle is working out. I do not know how long the scope will last – but for now it is accurate enough to shoot cans with my sons. The GRT trigger did help it. However looking at the trigger blade removed – it can probaly be modified to act “somewhat” like a GRT -with some time, drilling and tapping…..
2nd Update: You are right about the trigger. I replaced the triggers in both the Titan GP and the Storm XT with Charlie DaTuna GRT-III triggers. The difference in the Storm XP was even more amazing than the Titan GP. The original Titan trigger does indeed resemble the GRT-III a bit; in fact if you remove the wire spring that provides the initial resistance to pull, that simulates the phony first stage, it’s almost as nice as the GRT-III, but not quite. There is only one stage in the trigger mechanism, and on the Storm XT, I’ve got it set for very minimal travel using the GRT-III. The original trigger on the Storm is nothing like the original trigger on the Titan, so that’s why it showed the greatest improvement.
As for pellets, I’ve tried many any the best so far are the 1) Haendler & Natermann Finale Match Rifle, 2) Predator Polymag, and 3) the Beeman dark grey all purpose pellet. All three can hit a 2″ metal spinner target at 100′ shot after shot after shot. The Crosman precision hollow points miss about one shot in four; I’ve shot 40 consecutive Predator Polymags at the 2″ spinner at 100′ before missing once! This Titan GP is pretty nice!
I realize that a lot of people live in urban areas where the noise of even a quiet round going off will bring the fuzz brandishing weapons and intent on taking scalps, but IMO, I’d have spent the $150 on a Marlin semi-auto, or a Savage or…
Shy III
JimShyWolf
If I didn’t have four .22 rimfire rifles and two .22 rimfire pistols already, I would have opted for the .22 rimfire instead of an air rifle.
Anyway, nothing lost – I returned the rifle for a cash refund.
Howdy Guys,
Break open action pellet guns don’t operate the same as cartridge firing rifle, .22 cal. through .50 cal Barrett. The standard rifle, including it’s breach and action are all in the same piece of steel. The pellet gun breach and action are in two separate pieces of steel. The piece that must be accurately aimed on the pellet gun is the one where the pellet is going to come from, and that’s the barrel. The barrel is where you must mount the scope, not in a mount in the grooves on top of the receiver. They’re there for that purpose, but it doesn’t work.
This is a break open action pellet gun, right? So it’s just like mine, a Gamo, and the grooves on the receiver are for a scope mount, then I know what your problem is. You see, by having the sight on the receiver, and the pellet in the breach of the barrel, you have two separate planes of sight. The receiver is on one plane and the barrel is on another. Yes, of course you’ll never hit where you’re aiming, because you’re not aiming from the breach and barrel, which is where the pellet is going to come from.
Get hold of a clamp-on quad rail device. Place it on the barrel as far back as the receiver will let you. Clamp it down such that the topmost rail is squarely on the top of the barrel. Get hold of a long eye relief telescopic sight, otherwise you’ll have to be laying your cheek down on the front of the receiver to look through the scope. Do-able, but extremely difficult to hold the rifle to your shoulder while doing. With the long eye relief scope having at least five inches of eye relief (six is preferable), you can sight from the top rear of the receiver, see the crosshairs and target clearly and you’ll hit where you’re aiming.
The problem with the arrangement from new is every time you break open the action to load a fresh pellet, you change the striking point of the pellet relative to the locking position at the breach and it’s position with respect to the receiver where the scope is mounted. The damned things just don’t lock the same place every time. If it did, you would be hitting where you’re aiming.
You could be having problems with paralex(spellin) where the reticule is not centered , happens a lot when you put more than a 3 by7 30mm scope on it.
That could be your problem
Riverine,
If you go back and read the post you’ll notice I changed the scope to the one that came with the rifle, same result. The scope was not the issue.
I picked up the Crosman American Classic Pump Pistol, model 1377C – replaced the plastic grips and pump handle with a walnut set from RBGrips – they doubled the weight, but gave the pistol a wonderful feel and facilitated cocking the .177 caliber pneumatic air pistol without catching your hand on the cheepo pump handle that it originally came with.
I fought the good fight – John Drake 5, Squirrels 1 – and kept the bastards off my apricot tree long enough to harvest and make the best-tasting apricot preserves I can remember. Two-handed shooting with the wood grips makes the 1377C feel like a rifle – rather than the hand-over-hand standard pistol grip – and accuracy at 12 pumps was quite decent. I was taking the squirrels down with extreme prejudice at 30 feet and more. Downside to the pistol is the single shot – furiously pumping in between shots gave the rodents a chance to drag themselves into the shrubbery – but tracking the trail was easy and a quick mercy shot to the head pulled their plug.
Living in the City means that the airgun is a great way to keep control over pests and practice live fire at the same time. This pistol is highly recommended.
The Beeman I picked up does okay – at 25 yards I get a 1″ grouping with a bench rest. It’s almost as noisy as a .22, which was rather disappointing. My primary use for it is ‘stealth’ firearm teaching. I taught my grandson how to shoot with it without the requisite screeching from his mommy. Hey, it’s just an air rifle, you know?
Tweelll, That is one of the best points ever. My daughter doesn’t want to go shooting at the range, but if I pull out my old CO2 BB pistol in the back yard, she and all her friends want to shoot it at tin cans. Go figure… women!!! At least it is a kind of ‘stealth’ firearms training. lol
I’ve heard real good things about the Benjamin pump pellet guns. I hear tell from some bad kids that they can kill a mid sized animal.
Started to buy same gun when I noticed the package had been retaped shut! Obviously someone else had returned it. I ended up walking out with a Rossi 410/22R matched pair junior (backpack) rifle combo for $127.00. Perfect small game gun,Taurus quality and cheap.
Check out the American Airgunner TV series that’s on the Sportsman Channel. First season had Tom Gaylord as host, and what Tom don’t know about Airguns “taint worth knowin”.
i bought this same gun, and using crosman hollowpoint pellets, i managed to zero in the scope included with the rifle well enough to hit a quarter at 50 yards, the break in period was a little rough but after the first 100 shots it worked beautifully
bought this rifle friday th 9th along with the premier hollow points after about 50 pellets thru it, i love it, at 30 yards i make mincemeat out of tennis balls i also own three 22lr’s and a marlin .17 i’m inside city limits so much for noise 149.00 at walmart cant beat it, as you say if you dont like it return it also have the storm xt .177 no problem with it or the scope . guys dont forget to use blue locktight and after bench site in use a loose hold
I just purchased a Titan GP. The accuracy is awesome. I shot the center out of a leaf that was about 25 yards away. The other shots I have made are as accurate. I guess I am just lucky. I hit a small object on a branch about 35 yards away with the first shot. I am using crossman hollow point .22 cal lead pellets. I have hit exactly what I am aiming at right from the first shot.
I have only taken about 50 shots altogether. There was never a time in which I even had to do anything with the sight. It must be beginner’s luck.
mine never had your issues you must have had a lemon or used bad pellets. did you do a barrel clean before shooting it. Chinese guns require this. Also the trigger needs to be adjusted by turning the small phillips head screw counter clockwise direction, you must remove the trigger guard to adjust it according like to get rid of too hard or too soft a break (where soft the trigger to where sear breaks and the gun finally discharges is long, this gun has a typical lawyer bait trigger for user safety vs a short break style, this can affect group accuracy) this gun is also hold sensitive and requires around 100 shots to break in and dieseling to stop…you must have got a lemon or one with a bad muzzle crown. your you are a dud!
Yo Johno,
I don’t know what you’re talking about on that I’ve got a lemon pellet rifle? I’ve had great success with my Crosman Titan GP on grouping and consistency with the trigger pull (I clean it after 250 rounds). I’m very much aware of the trigger safety on pellet rifles so, I would think you’re speaking to the “MASSES” with your lawyer clause (I work with them).
Oh, I’m looking at the time you sent this comment to me and I was wondering if you had been drinking or you were just trying to make “SMALL” talk.
DR_NO
I just purchased this gun from Walmart today. I was looking for something to replace a Beeman RS2 ($98 @ Walmart) that was given to me as a gift and after 400+ rounds still couldn’t produce a group < 5" @ 30 yards.
This gun was amazing from shot 1. The first 6 shots out of the gun were all basically touching @ 10 yards and it just got better from there. At one point, I put 3 pellets into the same hole @ 30 yards (and yes, I measured the yards). To compare, my two friends each also purchased pellet rifles from Walmart and we were comparison testing the Storm XT, Crossman Phantom 1000, Beeman Rs2 (the gun gifted to me), and the Titan GP. The Titan GP was FAR more quiet and smoother shooting than the other rifles. I will say that the Phantom and Storm Xt also both had very good consistancy with the Crossman pellets we were using. In the Titan GP I was using the Crossman Premeir hollowpoints. After my first two hour shooting session I am in love and can't wait for the next time to shoot. I will agree with others, the trigger is the weak point in this gun.
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