Poll : Do you think that the 2nd Amendment has protected us from losing the others?

rightsThe Second Amendment to the Bill of Rights protects us from losing all of the others –  if we lose the Second Amendment loss of others will quickly follow…. Don’t Tread on Me… Come and Take Them… Molon Labe…

We have all heard those things or similar words countless times, but do those words hold any weight or force behind them today, considering the fact that our Constitutional rights are being  eroded, stomped on and taken away with nearly every stroke of the legislative pen.

For example you have no longer have a right to privacy, they can and do imprison American citizens without proper due process and even execute American citizens without a trial – and they’ve done all of this with the Second Amendment still in place (with a few restrictions that only effect law-abiding citizens of course), so today’s poll questions is…

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Please explain your answer in the comments below….

Comments

  1. Once the 2nd. is abolished this country will be just like these other countries that we tried to help. Citizens will be fighting against the government with bullets and not votes. Maybe we could see a big change because voting doesn’t seem to work any longer.

  2. Tactical G-Ma says:

    I’m sitting here trying to remember the creed that is something about I am a serviceman. I will continue to fight. If taken prisoner I will never quit trying to escape.there were like 5 or 7 things to do and it’s not the Soldier’s Creed or The 11 General Orders of a Sentry. Come on … was it something to do with Geneva Convention? My brain has become like swiss cheese. Hoping one of you will remember what I am talking about.

    • Is this what you’re thinking of, G-Ma?
      Recognizing that I volunteered as a Ranger, fully knowing the hazards of my chosen profession, I will always endeavor to uphold the prestige, honor, and high esprit de corps of the Rangers.
      Acknowledging the fact that a Ranger is a more elite Soldier who arrives at the cutting edge of battle by land, sea, or air, I accept the fact that as a Ranger my country expects me to move further, faster, and fight harder than any other Soldier.
      Never shall I fail my comrades I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong, and morally straight and I will shoulder more than my share of the task whatever it may be, one hundred percent and then some.
      Gallantly will I show the world that I am a specially selected and well trained Soldier. My courtesy to superior officers, neatness of dress, and care of equipment shall set the example for others to follow.
      Energetically will I meet the enemies of my country. I shall defeat them on the field of battle for I am better trained and will fight with all my might. Surrender is not a Ranger word. I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country.
      Readily will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the Ranger objective and complete the mission, though I be the lone survivor.

      • Tactical G-Ma says:

        JSW,
        I love snake eaters! I had the privilege to work with Army Spec. Forces and Navy SEALS while on active duty. The Ranger’s oath is wonderful and does show that the best are held to a higher standard but recognizes Rangers can’t win fighting in a vacuum. What I was thinking of was the 5 articles in the Code of the U. S. Fighting Force.

  3. Do I think that the 2nd Amendment has protected us from losing the others? No, because I feel the original purpose of the 2nd Amendment has been lost.
    Contrary to what is expressed in so many internet comments on various blogs these days, our Constitution was never a “perfect” document. Benjamin Franklin summed it up when addressing the Convention, “There are several parts of this Constitution which I do not at present approve, but I am not sure I shall never approve them.” And Thomas Jefferson stated, “There are very good articles in it: & very bad. I do not know which preponderate.” And referred to the framers of the Constitution, “It really is an assembly of demigods.” Most felt the document readily embraced ambiguity to allow for compromise and cooperation about broad concepts rather than specific circumstances and left way too much open to debate – a conclusion that has proven true.
    The new states wanted the Bill of Rights because they feared this ambiguity gave too much power to a centralized government, especially one with a large standing army. Although the Constitution gave Congress the right to “raise and support Armies”, representatives made sure the clause, “but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years” was added in the hopes that army would never become a standing fixture in times when the country was at peace. They felt the Militia should be used instead and an army only raised when absolutely necessary, much the same as Switzerland today. “To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.”
    To further strengthen this, the 2nd Amendment was written. As Elbridge Gerry stated during the Congressional debates over the Second Amendment, “What, sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty.”
    Today though, I read so much about the need for the US to maintain a powerful standing army – surprising coming mostly from those individuals claiming to be Constitutionalists. So where does that leave the Militia and the 2nd Amendment?
    I don’t feel that the 2nd Amendment has in any way protected us from losing the others – I feel only that the easy access to news has shown many people today what others have known all along – that these rights were never chiseled in granite. Does anyone really feel everyone in the US have always had the protections of the Bill of Rights? From slavery through the communist witch-hunts, American’s “rights” have been trampled under foot – but it was always “someone else” in the past so it was tolerated and even seen as being “good for the country.” The freedom of the media today has opened a lot of eyes and brought many people out of their complacency.
    No, the 2nd Amendment has never been a factor in demanding that the Bill of Rights be upheld, it has always been the will of the people who finally acknowledged the wrongdoing and demanded that our elected government stop the abuses. This is what has made us great and kept us head and shoulders above all those third world countries who felt armed revolution was their ticket to a better life.

    • Hi k.fields, ‘It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty.’

      I think the police and sheriff departments would have qualified as standing armies so far as the Founders were concerned.

      They rule us, they become ever more heavily armed, ever more obviously violent when unnecessary (thank you YouTube!), they chew up ever more of our money, and so far as I can see they do more damage to liberty than they protect it.

      It doesn’t matter if there are good cops. As an institution they are on the other side.

      • The police took a year to tell me that 2 of four guns stolen from us in a burglary had been recovered within a month, and then they demanded a DNA sample ‘for exclusionary purposes’ before giving them back.

        Since I had made the insurance claim and replaced them, they were by then the property of the insurance company, so I declined to provide DNA.

        It turns out that police departments all over the country are quietly building DNA data banks of criminals, suspects, and victims alike, with no public announcement, no public discussion, no legislative authority. They are just doing it.

        We have no idea how those data banks may someday be used or misused or put to purposes for which we have not given our permission.

        I am very glad I did not submit.

        We are not building a police state: It is already here. We are just enhancing the police state we already have.

        • Hunker-Down says:

          They don’t need to tattoo us like was done in the concentration camps, they have all those DNA databases.

          A million years ago my dad kiddingly told me to never get a SS number. Back then it was possible; today the newbies get one when they pop out of their moms.

  4. Tactical G-Ma says:

    Ok, found it…
    Code of the United States Fighting Force.
    #1 is: I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepare to give my life in their defense.
    Guess that says it all.

    • TGMa

      Been many years since I have heard those words, thanks for the memory and the refresher course. It did hold true then and it holds true today.

  5. Don Duncan says:

    Rights come from our nature as human, not from the Constitution. The Constitution recognizes rights, it does not create or protect them. We have to protect them, individually, by exercising them. For example, when we allow warrantless searches as in the so-called “border stops”, we encourage authorities to further violate rights they have sworn to uphold. They need to be reminded that rights do not disappear at the convenience of officials. They are not luxuries. They are necessary for a human existence. That makes them practical. America is the only country that was founded on this premise. This was the source of our prosperity and moral superiority. The world looked up to America. But our heritage was/is being surrendered, little by little, out of ignorance and cowardice. It is our responsibility to exercise our rights, or lose them. Words on a parchment do not protect us any more than official oaths. We cannot delegate the protection of rights and avoid self defense. That is the false hope government promises. We are the first, last, and only hope for our protection.

  6. The 2nd Amendment has protected our right to life but perhaps not too many other rights. It’s probably protected more than we realize, including our property to some degree. So the answer is Yes and No. It has protected some of our rights while other rights have unfortunately been trampled on, b/c we’ve fought for the other rights through the lawful process but our efforts are in the main being rejected. We MUST exercise our right and privilege of prayer, personal and corporate, for God to restore our rights UNDER GOD and UNDER His Law!!!

  7. This is the link for the traitors’ pictures and phone #s in Connecticut.
    Make it go viral–email to all your contacts.

    They came for the communists–you know the rest.

    http://www.cbia.com/ga/CT_State_Senators_List/-AZSENATE

    http://www.cbia.com/ga/CT_State_Representatives_List/-AZHOUSE

  8. I feel rather simple after reading other comments, but this tidbit changed my view of many things. This was from a public safety officer who was leading a self defense course for women. “Crime scene number 2 is always worse than crime scene number 1. Do not wait for a better opportunity to fight. Be prepared to fight for your life from the first instant. And expect it to hurt. Don’t wait for a pain free chance”. Don’t wait for a better chance to defend ourselves. However imperfectly it’s working or how it’s being abused, our right to bear arms – for the moment – is keeping us away from crime scene number 2. This girl isn’t going to be kidnapped and carried off to where it’s easier to take my freedom and life. I’m going to stand and fight right here, and I’m prepared for it to hurt.

  9. The 2nd amendment did not help Jeff Davis and Bobby Lee. Their attempt to break from Washington via arms hurt them and their neighbors.

    • riverrider says:

      at least they had the balls to try and were it not for a twist of fate we might be free now.

      • Rider of Rohan says:

        And had they been as ruthless as their counterparts, their side would have likely prevailed.

  10. I was born and bred an Englishman, but I like to keep a very close eye on what happens in the USA, because it reflects so strongly on what happens in the rest of the world, I have been visiting the states, for 45 years and I have quite a few friends and relations that live in America. I voted yes because THE GREATEST CONSTITUTION is being eroded and shredded faster each year.
    There was a Great Englishman that just happened to have an American mother and he spoke thus.
    “If You will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed,
    If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly,
    You may come to the moment when you have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival.
    There may even be a worse case, you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.
    >Winston Churchill<

    (I came into this world, fat, bald and toothless and I'm damn well going out the same way )

  11. “Anti-constitutionalist’s actions are being ratcheted up for the purpose that can only be described as political.” When you have a gov’t that ignores the Constitution, and circumvents legislative procedures, you’re losing more than just the 2nd amendment. We can’t just sit around and whine about it. We need to elect people who respect what our nation & all it stands for. We pay the salaries of our representatives and if they continue to disregard their constituents, we need a clean sweep in DC.

    • The outcome of Nov 2014 elections may be the deciding factor. If conservatives win, tptb on fed level could ratchet up all offense in panic (faster than if conservatives lose).

      The college age group is quickly getting fed up, and I notice that that tidbit is getting squelched.

  12. When I thought about it, I had to say no because the majority of Americans fail to understand the 2nd Amendment…all they see and hear from the classroom to the “Newsroom” is that guns are evil, people who own guns are evil, we need to just get rid of guns and you should be dependent on government. The 2nd Amendment is our guarantee to possess arms and pseudo deterrent to tyrannical ambitions. However most folks today fail to understand that our founders expected those who came after them to safeguard our liberty by force if needed, hence the 2nd Amendment.

  13. I voted “Yes” because if this wasn’t the case, any vestige of our rights would not now exist.

    The “long train of abuses and usurpations” has not, apparently, reached the tripwire yet.

    Unless we can retake our country by peaceful means, it will.

    But anyone who believes that 80+ million gun owners keeping and bearing over 100 million guns hasn’t had anything to do with the fact that this comments section is still open isn’t thinking it through.

  14. There can be no”life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” if you aren’t alive. That is where the 2nd Amendment comes in.

  15. Anyone else notice the sudden stop to comment section on most of msnbc.com’s articles? Just prior, I noticed that the conservatives really came out of the woodwork particularly on Constitutional rights, especially 2nd Amendment.

  16. “OUR FREEDOM OF LIGHT IS WHY WE HAVE CONSTITUTION WITH CIVIL RIGHTS AND WITH THE SECOND AMENDMENT WRITTEN INTO THE CONSTITUTION TO PROTECT THOSE CIVIL RIGHTS AND OUR WAY OF LIFE”

    People are often surprised and upset with me when I tell them that the National Rifle Association is a civil rights organization just like the ACLU. It’s true. The Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms is a civil right. And what’s more, it’s the “one civil right” that protects all the Civil Rights contained in the Bill of Rights and Our U.S. Constitution as declared by our Declaration of Independence from oppressive governments and all enemies, foreign and domestic….!

    We’ve let the liberal left hijack the term “civil rights,” and it’s time we the people fixed that. Yours, Mine and Ours civil rights are our Constitutional Rights. That’s what the term “civil rights” means. They are your rights as a citizen. All the rights you enjoy as an American, whether the express rights mentioned in the Bill of Rights, or the implied rights of the Ninth and 14th Amendments, they are your civil rights. It’s a term that belongs to each and every one of us, regardless of race, color, creed or religion…!

    The NRA, GOA and other Pro Gun Groups that support the Second Amendment, they regularly brings lawsuits to protect Free Speech, Choice and other Constitutional Rights. But it is the NRA’s defense of the Second Amendment that does the most to protect all of your liberties of enumerated rights…!

    The Second Amendment guarantees the individual right of every peaceable, law-abiding American to keep and bear arms. You have the right to have firearms for any lawful purpose, whether self protection, recreation, competition, hunting, collecting, invading armies or oppressive government tyranny. And this right extends to all handguns as well as to all long guns such as shotguns and rifles.

    Most all people do understand this because current polls show that over 90 percent of Americans believe that the Second Amendment secures an individual right. See Heller Decision…!

    But many people don’t know why the United States Constitution includes the right to bear arms. The reasons are not considered politically correct, and those on the liberal left who dominate public education and the big media conglomerates { such as Mayor Nanny Bloomberg of New York City and his New York Times} don’t want to talk about them.

    There are so many reasons why the Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment, but the three most important ones are of vital concern to you, regardless of where you live, what you do or what your interests are. Let’s start with the third reason and work up to the first and most important.

    1.) The third most important reason the framers of the Constitution wrote the Second Amendment is for safety against criminal elements. I respect and admire all law enforcement officers. They have a tough job to do, and most of the time they do it well. As a retired career police officer, I know the sacrifice our good police officers make to protect all of us. But the reality is there are usually only two people present when a crime is committed: the criminal and the victim. You are almost never sitting next to a police officer when you’re attacked, right? Criminals prey on people under circumstances that benefit the criminal, and they prefer a victim who is Alone, Weaken by Unjust Laws, Gun Free Zones { Sandy Hook Elementary School, Aurora Movie Theater, Tucson Az., Washington DC Naval Station etc } and Unarmed by Unjust Laws or Unjust Legislation….!

    The Second Amendment allows you as an American Citizen to level the playing field against your would-be attacker. No matter your age or size or gender, or even your disability status, with a firearm at the ready-
    you are a match for the biggest, meanest robber or rapist who might try to break in through your door or window. You need not fear for your safety, or the safety of your spouse or children, if you are proficient in the use of a firearm in the comfort of your home. And as for protection outside the home – well, I’ll discuss that in a future writing of circumstances that I witness as a LEO…!

    This is all the more true for people who live in the suburbs or rural areas, where it might take the police a long time to respond. Even in the city where response times tend to be quicker, a few minutes is an eternity when a thug is trying to break down a mothers door late one night with babies at home. That was my experience as a young boy years ago that led to my purchasing my first firearm, a rifle when I was 18….!

    2) The second most important reason for the Second Amendment is National Security. The Founding Fathers did not trust standing armies, meaning armies that are kept equipped during peacetime. In their experience, standing armies were often used by dictatorial rulers to keep the common people subjugated { example- The Syrian
    Government and its use of Chemical Weapons on its own Citizens, year 2013 }. The Founding Fathers were fearful as to what a future national government might do domestically with a powerful military, and therefore wanted our standing military to be small.

    So their idea was that the people, All Americans, should all be armed. That way, if America was attacked by foreigners, the people of America would be able to defend themselves { as did the French Underground in WW2 } and our country while the government equipped and marshaled a professional army to fight the invaders. And if our armies should be defeated on the battlefield, every American citizen or patriot { The American Insurgents } could defend his family and his freedom against the invaders. If the invaders had to fight for every inch of ground against an armed citizenry, and people were desperately fighting for their lives and homes, the invaders would eventually lose the will to fight and retreat, and America would still be free.

    3) And, finally, the single most important reason for the Second Amendment was as an insurance policy against our own government. I don’t mean to sound alarmist, but that’s the historical truth. I will write a column explaining more of these details. For now, suffice it to say that the Founding Fathers considered the greatest threat to liberty to be a national government that has acquired too much power. Look at our present day White House and its Scandals! While America for more than two centuries has been the freest nation on earth, the Founding Fathers did not know what the future would hold. So, in keeping with the teachings of political philosophers such as John Locke and others, they decided that the people should all be armed. That, they claimed, was the ultimate insurance policy to keep the government in check and keep the people free.

    These reasons are why the Second Amendment protects all of our rights, yours and mine…! Whether it is freedom of religion, free speech, free press, free association, vote, excessive bail, the right to protest the government, right to a speedy trial and all other enumerated rights combined…! The Second Amendment allows those freedoms to exist today and as Americans, to protect those freedoms most cherish by us…! Our rights were framed by our Founding Fathers “In The Freedom Of Light” for all Americans to enjoy….!

    The NRA, GOA, along with Other Pro Gun Groups and Second Amendment Supporters like myself, we are all dedicated to protecting all of our rights under the Constitution. And by focusing on securing and advancing the Second Amendment, our mission is to make sure that your children and grandchildren enjoy the blessings of liberty, just as you and I do today….!

    “FREEDOM IS A LIGHT FOR WHICH MANY OF MEN, AMERICAN MEN, DIED IN DARKNESS”

    Sincerely,

    Mike Zawoiski, Pennsylavania

    USAF Security Police and Civilian LEO Retired…

    PS- Remember this Mr. Editor that– “The Second Amendment is NOT NEGOTIABLE”……not to anyone, not to your Mayor Bloomberg’s Oppressive City Government ….. not to any one…..!

    • Mike,

      I think you might have missed the point – we are strong supporters of the Second Amendment here and the question was not if we support the Second Amendment or not but if The Second Amendment had kept us from losing the other rights that we are given under the Constitution and when you look around and realize that our homes can now be entered and searched without a warrant, that we have no freedom privacy with everything we do being listened to, read, and watched, that we can be arrested and held indefinitely without a trial, states have no rights etc… It kind of makes you think. The Second Amendment is important and we will protect it the best that we can but the others ones are just as important and we are losing ground on those with every stroke of the legislative pen…

  17. NWGhostRider says:

    The only rights you have are the ones that you are willing to stand up for. Those of you that fly commercially you consent to being strip searched and groped to get on a plane, the NSA recently said that they do collect data from your cell phone and e-mail, do you submit to sobriety check points, no knock warrants, that is unreasonable search, so much for your 4th amendment. Do you live in an open carry state, do you have to submit to a back round check to buy a gun, can you carry a gun in a federal building, can you carry in school zones, so much for your second amendment. What about all of the “free speech zones” that cities and collages create when you want to protest against the government, what about all of the people that have been detained for voicing their opinions on social media sites, what about all the people that are being harassed by the IRS for opposing Odumbo’s policies. Why is anyone who supports constitutional rights considered a terrorist by our government. So much for the first amendment. what about people that carry “too much” money with them and it is confiscated by authorities, how about the people that have had their vehicles taken or their homes taken by the government. So much for the fifth amendment. What about Odumbo care, voter Id laws, abortion laws, drug laws. so much for the tenth amendment. The next time that you think that the government hasn’t invaded your rights… THINK AGAIN.

  18. Bruce Bailey says:

    The only thing it has done is cause those with an agenda to pause before totally taking all of our freedoms out of fear and concern. The real problem has been we have neglected the first amendment in its 2 stage points: It was first because they were the most important. Freedom of Religion and speech for without faith and hope, truth and a moral strength is even more important than the firepower just look at the Ukraine right now. We and Nato promised if the Ukrainians would give the nukes a few years back we would stand up for them.Not!

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