I’m sure everyone reading this is familiar with the bug out bag - essentially the escape and evasion kit is based on the same concept, but with several advantages.
Don’t get me wrong, having a bug out bag is a good idea, however a back-up plan, for your backup plan is even better – let me explain.
Depending on the situation, getting to your bug out bag may not be an option and let’s not forget the possibility of loss to fire, theft or other unforseen event.
If the bug out bag is plan B, the escape and evasion kit should be considered plan C.
I know what you’re thinking – what is an “escape and evasion kit” and how do I get one? For the purposes of our discussion, an escape and evasion kit is basically a cache of supplies, hidden in a secure place. Unfortunately, I don’t know of any ready-made kits, or at least none on par with what we need, so you’ll have to assemble yours yourself.
Obviously the first thing you’ll need is a container for securing your kit. I make mine from four-foot sections of 6-inch Schedule-40 PVC pipe with a permanent end cap on one end and Clean out adapter and Threaded Plug on the other, both held in place with PVC cement.
Contents will depend on location and need - every situation will be different with kits being modified toward specific individual needs. Here are several areas to consider…
- Shelter – Space Blanket, Plastic Trash Bags, Thermals.
- Fire – Matches, Flint and steel, Magnifying Glass. Cotton wool.
- Water – Sterilizing tablets, Filter, Collapsible Canteen and Cover.
- Food – Fish-hooks and Line, Snare Wire, Slingshot Rubber, Food.
- Cooking – Sheet of Aluminum Foil, Small Cooking Pot and Utensils.
- Medical – First-aid kit and Related Gear.
- Tools – Mora Knife, Swiss Army Knife, Multi-Tool, Ka-Bar Kukri Machete.
- Navigation – Compass, Topo Map of Area.
- Light – LED Flashlight, Headlamp and Batteries.
- Rope and Cordage – Fishing Line, Spool of Dental Floss, Para-Cord.
- Repairs – Sewing kit, Duct Tape, Crazy Glue.
It’s a good idea to pack items with a potential for leakage at the bottom of the tube, and items of an immediate need (first-aid, handgun etc) near the top.
Remember this is an escape and evasion kit, a last-ditch effort at survival, you could be wounded, pursued or both. Keep those items near the top and within reach.
Since you won’t be checking or replacing contents often, food items should be of low moister and suitable for long-term storage. You may find it a good idea to have a separate cache of food items aside your main escape and evasion kit. I have one stuffed full of Mountain House Pouch foods and another with beans and grains.
After you get your tubes assembled and filled, it’s time to start thinking about security, or more specifically where and how to hide your kit. You don’t want to go through all this trouble and expense, just to have some two-bit thief or jackboot thug come along and steal what you’ve worked to put away.
The escape and evasion kit should be hidden away from your home or retreat and not buried in your backyard. Remember this is an effort of last resort. The escape and evasion kit acts as an insurance policy should you lose or be denied access to your home storage. Having it buried in your backyard would be self-defeating.
These tubes (if constructed properly) are waterproof and could be submerged under water without risk of damage to the contents. But erring on the side of caution, I look for a well-drained area not easily accessible to heavy machinery such as logging equipment.
When moving to the cache site, it’s a good idea to have someone scout the area ahead, hopefully averting the possibility of you being seen. The last thing you want is to run face-to-face with a group of hunters, hikers or police.
The scout can move ahead alerting you, by two-way radio if anything is out of the ordinary or if someone is heading your way, allowing you time to react and avoid detection.
When digging, it’s best to go slowly - stop often and scan the area for potential threats. Again, the scout can offer security by watching the most likely avenues of approach and giving advanced warning.
Use a manual post hole digger to excavate a hole straight down and as deep as possible. Insert the tube in a vertical position into the hole and bacK-fill with dirt.
Carry an old tarp to pile the dirt on as you dig. Dispose of this in a discreet way out of sight and away from the cache area - when you finish, the area should look the same as it did when you started.
Foiling Metal Detectors:
- Bury in a junkyard or a dump.
- Seed the area with ferric chloride
- Litter the area with metal shavings and debris
- Old abandoned farms usually have pre-existing metal debris
- Abandoned surface-mines are naturally seeded with discarded metal
- Deserted log landing and yards can be good areas
It’s best to hide in an area with “naturally” occurring and pre-existing metal debris in fact seeding an area with metal can have the negative effect of drawing attention to it.
Look for locations where such metal deposits would be considered normal and if needed add to this. Remember the best security is keeping your mouth shut.
A bug out bag is great for getting out of dodge in a hurry - a bug out bag combined with an escape and evasion kit and you just might make it. What do you think…?
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Not leaving all the eggs in one basket is definitely the way to go. I like the idea, and you can purchase the materials from the local Home Depot or Lowes for a fraction of the cost of what some web sites will charge you.
The only thing I would do different is the sealant. I would definitely seal one end with the purple stuff, but the other I would seal with alot of teflon tape and some silicone. If you wanted to take an extra step, you could cover it with a doubled up trash bag and duct tape the hell out of it.
Point being…….pvc cement is pretty rock solid. If you are in a true E & E (SEARS) situation, then you will play hell trying to get into your tube. Unless you have a hand saw with you, you will have to break the tube open, and Schedule 40 is not easy to break.
However, if you felt that the tube must be submerged, then I would seal both ends with cement. At that point, I would duct tape a hand saw to the tube.
Thanks for keepin’ us thinkin’ MD, and good luck to you all…………
“…If you are in a true E & E (SEARS) situation…”
I don’t quite understand what the fine department store Sears has to do with anything here…
Just kidding; I take it you’re not a military guy. I think what you mean is S.E.R.E. – Survival Evasion Resistance Escape
Actually ex 82nd Airborne, just buzzed and finished signing bills. Just corrected myself on a deeper post.
Yes……..I am embaresssed.
Come on then, there’s a level-C course right there at Ft. Bragg/Camp Mackall!
All the way
Dean,
I’m sure you mean “former” not “ex” military.
I have many friends who were in the Marine Corp who correct me IMMEDIATELY if I ever say “ex”.
Just a thought…
I used to be in the military and have never heard anyone make a distinction between “ex” and “former.” I tried doing a little research, but nearly every place I’ve seen the terms discussed (in general, not particular to the military) they are deemed to be interchangeable. In fact, most dictionaries list each in the definition of the other. However, it should probably be “ex-” not “ex.”
“Ex-” meaning former, and “ex” being Latin, and used frequently in Latin legal terms where it means “from.” As in, ex post facto, ex parte, ex officio, etc.
Maybe it’s just a Marine thing. By the way, it would be “Marine Corps,” not “Marine Corp.” “Corps” is from the Latin “corpus,” meaning “body.” Marine “Corp” would, I suppose, be short for “Marine Corporation.”
Whatever, Josh.
I can only tell you about my experience with what Marines say to me. I happen to live 10 minutes from Camp Pendleton & am on base regularly and know many Jarheads. They say “once a Marine, always a Marine” so I guess by default there is no “ex”.
As for your the Latin lesson, try – Instruo is ea id!
Which means, roughly “prepare this!”
:-)
I wasn’t doubting that you’ve been told that, just saying that I’m an Army veteran, and have never heard the distinction.
I’m not familiar with that Latin phrase; I became quite accustomed to the Latin “sua sponte” though.
I’m really not that smart, it was the magic of Google!
:-)
Is “Sua Sponte” a lawyer term meaning – spontaneously sue you?
Yuk, yuk – my sense of humor is an acquired taste!
Dean,
As it was explained to me the destinction between “EX” and “FORMER”…
EX= put out. kicked out. left on unfreindly terms. can’t come back.
Former= honorable discharge. may return to service.
But, like you, as a former soldier (11 series) It was a Marine who pointed out the difference, prior to that point I made no destinction between the 2.
Honestly, I can think of no Marine who, knowing the difference, would ever use EX, even if EX were in their situation and Marine definition the proper term.
Ex-soldier= used to practice the trade of war, but not now.
Ex-wife= used to cloth, feed, house and sleep with her but not now.
Question; is “former wife” the proper term if you have a chance of getting back together? better question; Why would you?
Just another difference between the services.
As an aside, Will be shooting at wolverine at 2pm on sat. If you have the time or desire stop by and say hi.
The article didn’t say to seal both ends with glue. One end is a screw in plug. I would seal the threads with some good silicone grease and then cover that with some heavy plastic sheeting.
One thing the author didn’t mention is not buying most of your supplies through easily traceable sources. Sure, you can get almost everything from Amazon, but then there’s a convenient list of everything you bought. Pay cash at pawn shops, gun shows, estate sales, flea markets, and of course, wal-mart.
Jerry, you did it & loved the wife analogy!
I think this makes Plan E for me?
Plan A: Stay in place. (Retreat preps)
Plan B: Bug out in Vehicle w/ lots of gear (BoBs + Homestead supplies)
Plan C: Bug out on foot (BoBs)
Plan D: Bug out on foot (every day carry system)
Plan E: Bug out in underwear and resupply using evasion kit above.
I could deploy a few of these along planned bug out routes. Worst case scenario it will save my life, best case scenario they act as resupply points.
At the rate things progress, Plan F would really suck.
At that rate plan F for me would envolve taking all i can with me in a big bang
Good clear list…
Plan F is looking like the Kool Aid solution or rounded up for internment… neither solution looks good…
Be careful planting those in public spaces, they look just a bit too much like a pipe b**b for someone stumbling over them…
To try to get a dual purpose out of the pipe cache, this could double as a Time Capsule home school project that you could check on add/remove items every few years.
Now that’s a clever idea! Good one…
One of the best places I’ve found to plant these are under farm fence corner post. At the base of the post drive multiple nails. This will throw of metal detectors, and big brother satalite
N.D., You got THAT right! LOL! Your plan E needs a full set of clothes jammed in that tube, too. That is unless you WANT people to think you’re crazy so they STAY AWAY.. might be another good defense tactic.? I used to have a girlfriend who would deliberately act crazy in a long line at the store, just so people would leave. She would act like bugs were crawling on her, saying,”Bugs..Bugs..” It worked great. Everybody left pretty quick.
M.D.,
I like the idea. Guess I’ll have to get busy, darn it. I agree with the cement on one end only idea.Be too easy to get busted out there beating trees to death trying to break it open.Especially dressed like N.D..LOL!
Yeah i’ll definetely have to bury it away from briar patches.
LOL!
P.S……The only thing I don’t like about burying stuff around is, “What if you can’t get to it?” Or possibly, situational circumstances cover your ability to find it. Either way, that’s alot of money down the tube(hahahahahaha).
Anyway, multiple level plans are certainly needed, and having a buried stash is a good idea. Unfortunately, we’ll never really know what to act upon until the situation unfolds. Maybe if we all buried a bottle of whiskey in the tube(long shelf life) it would be easier to find??????
Oh..and I meant SERES..for those who noticed.
I add a 400ml plastic container of a combination, fire starter, disinfectant, analgesic, fuel for MSR stove, gun cleaner/solvent, and mood enhancer. It can stored for decades. This secret elixer must be used with caution, and makes an excellent trade good. I make my own but, commercial grades can be found. Ohh and it should be above 150 proof.
What if you burried it under a rotted log so you dont have to dig to get to it? And i think the cement isnt on the threads its holding the ends on and the cap is screwed tight.
What is ferric chloride and where do you get it?
Good question, and hope someone can answer.
Go to Wikipedia and copy and paste “Ferric Chloride”.
I’m not sure where you get it, but it’s used for, among other things, etching glass and electronic circuit boards. Oh, and it’s also toxic. Way to go on the encouraging people to dump poisonous materials into the soil!
Don’t use silicone sealer. The acetic acid vapors will damage any metal stored inside. Seal the top end, that you’ll want to remove later, with teflon tape or with toilet bowl wax. Bring a wrench with you to “unstart” the end you’re removing.
M.D.,
I think you should add pepper spray to the list of things to put in. We might be caught in a position where we cannot make loud noise.Might buy us some time for an escape. If it’s a rabid animal or something you don’t want to get too close to.. and can’t make noise..? Think about it.
Good article and feedback by all.
Interesting post… what do I think? Well, allow me to be as blunt as a spoon:
There’s extreme & then there’s E-X-T-R-E-M-E
Great idea & thoughts but had a bit of trouble with the whole burying & avoiding the metal detector routine. Quick escape, possibly. But evade, evade what – capture??? Please…
Realistically, how soon – IF EVER, is someone going to scouring the earth with a metal detector looking for sustenance? They will drive around with loaded weapons taking at gunpoint well before this fantasy takes place.
This should be labeled as “Plan N” for Nth degree extrapolation & filed with the non-coming Zombie invasion.
Mr. Creekmore -
I value most all of the preparation ideas you post. Don’t get me wrong & don’t want to discourage or step on toes, but obviously found this one a bit over the top, bordering on paranoid. However, like they said in the asylum – to each his own.
I guess you can’t please all of the people all of the time, eh?
If you lived in the city this would make a lot of sense. You may have to escape danger (without a bug out bag) and evade danger by standing by in a more remote location.
I wouldn’t consider this a priority item but something definetely worth looking into once you have your bases covered or if you have some extra gear laying around.
Burial is just to keep people from stealing it right now in good times. A bunch of people in my area carry metal detectors in the woods looking for civil war artifacts and they also dig for arrow heads under rock outcroppings.
WITWCT
“I guess you can’t please all of the people all of the time”
You’re right – and that’s why I don’t try.
Gotta love your outlook!
You make an excellent point. I think there was a post and discussion on here a while back about survivalism/prepping and paranoia/alarmism. I think this sort of thing falls into the latter category. Escape and evasion plans, and the tactics taught at S.E.R.E. courses are short-term solutions for evading capture by an enemy, and resisting interrogation (you practice the survival and evasion during the field exercise portion, but you always get captured).
This seems like the kind of kit you might want to have in place if you were wanted by the authorities, and couldn’t make it back to your home for gear you need to evade capture. Otherwise, this seems like overkill, best left to those who think everyone’s out to get them. You know, those folks who watch “Mad Max” and “Red Dawn” every weekend, hoping that they’ll one day get to live out the plotlines of those films.
If your concern is not being able to make it back to YOUR home because of natural disaster, etc., then why not stash some gear at a friend’s house, or in a storage facility? Unless authorities are hunting you, why would there be a need to bury something and disguise its magnetic signature?
I guess I think there is a hierarchy or items of value to which one would want to steal and a plastic tube full of $100 worth of items that you could not resell or trade for a can of beans to me, doesn’t qualify. I would agree that way too much Hollywood influenced the writer.
Laptops, ammo, guns, food, money, real silverware etc are the endangered items as I see it.
This post was a fun fantasy filler – pardon the alliteration!
I think some of you missed the point of this post.
If a government agency wants your retreat and supplies they can and will take it. Sure you can put up a fight, you might even take some of the bastards with you, but in the end they will kill you and take what you have.
What about that candle you left burning as you fell off to sleep while reading that old back issue of penthouse magazine, I know you read it for the information packed articles but that didn’t stop that damned house cat from jumping on the table and knocking it over while you slept, starting a fire which turned your retreat into a pile of ash. Thank God for those smoke detectors, or you would have never awakened in time to get out with only the clothes on your back.
And what about the raiding parties that are sure to form after the collapse for the sole purpose of robbing, raping and killing? You just might be able to defend your retreat, stopping a well planned attack. But then again you could very well be forced to head for the hills to save your life and that of your family.
The point is life is uncertain. We never know what will happen or when it will occur, so we as survivalist need to plan the best we can for Murphy’s Law. Have a plan to backup your backup plan. Think what if this or that where to happen and base your survival plan accordingly.
Think about it.
I think a lot of people want to pretend playing survival but don’t think anything bad is really going to happen. At least not to them.
I’ll go with that, MD.
You know, when everyone is well fed, when they’ve got a job waiting for them and they have their house, their block parties and barbe-ques (never could spell word), it truly is all hunky dory. However, change things, which seems to be the way North America is heading, and I believe (based on my own experience in a few nasty places) that the people change.
Everyone changes. Good people might rise to the top. Not so good people… well… Karadzic was a doctor and a ‘real estate’ speculator before THAT war, and look how he turned out.
The Old Country doesn’t have a monopoly on evil people.
M.D.,
Nice reply.And very correct, I might add.
You are 100% correct with your last sentence.
Further, agree that being extra careful/planned is prudent and wise.
I apologize but found the whole burial routine along with the metal detector idea was just a bit too much.
Finally, we all need to make sure our primary measures are well in tact before we get distracted with our survival IED’s (In-ground-Evasion-Devices).
Okay… So what if?
What if there is a flood in your area. PVC (even with cement) isn’t perfect and now you have a wet gun and ammo.
PVC in the winter time. Ever had it break on your due to the cold? I have.
PVC (depending on the type you buy) can actually degrade inside.
Yeah, I don’t care for PVC, but then again I have my own reasons.
This IS a good idea.. to a point. And you are correct that you will have to make it for your region and personal tastes. Nothing is full proof… always have a back up.
upinak,
I’ve nerver had a PVC cache leak, break or degrade when cache in this manner – it’s possible depending on how it’s put together and temperature, that it could leak or break. Possible but not probable.
I read so much stuff from so many different sites that I can not recall where I read an article from a gentleman who burried a weapon stash for several years, and retrieved it to to see if it was still intack and usable. It was.
I think it was backwoodshome.com
Jerry,
Thanks for the invite for the shooting. Unfortunately, this weekend I have spring stuff to do at mom’s house. However, that would be a great idea for the future.
There’s strength in numbers.
Talk to ya soon.
The aricle Jerry was talking about can be found here…
http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/wood115.html
First time post here, I’m more into the homesteading gig and self sufficient life style but all of the information on this site is great.
Its cool that with the homesteading thing most of the stuff you talk about on here you are prepared for anyways…..
ANY HOO….. I Had a squirl in the attic the other day. …..
Made me think that a few of those cheap rat traps (the ones with the big spring on the chunk of plywood would be a good (NO SKILL REQUIRED) way for anyone if the need was there to add a wee bit of fresh meat to the soup.
I was thinking squirl meat not rat btw, but hey what ever fits in the pot…..
That and I think for the most part you could pretty much leave them on your front door step with out anyone looking twice or wanting to touch them.
Hi Catfish…
Great idea about the traps… The Joy of Cooking used to have a really good recipe for squirrel – they took it out about two editions ago… bit much for sophisticated city people who thing that meat magicly appears on little foam trays… Just watch out for skunks…
It is obvious by reading some of the comments here that most of you do no think anything bad will ever happen and it may not. But what is wrong with covering your rear if it does? I think if you are a survivalist or prepper as the political correct refer to themselves should be ready for every possibility. I think having a hidden cache is a good idea.
A lot of those commenting seem to think the government has their best interest in mind. I bet many Jews thought that way before they were shipped off to the concentration camps. Wounder how many wished they had an escape and evasion Kit.
It’s not paranoia if their out to get you after all isn’t part of being a survivalist covering your ass from all angles? M.D. is trying to assure your survival.
You’re right – it’s not paranoia IF they are out to get you … but doesn’t that sound paranoid?
My point is simply this – keep it simple, effective & remain focused. You can “what if” yourself to death.
To me the lists provided by MD are finite & controllable especially when sticking to the basics & essentials. Most problems & panic occur when individuals are not prepared with the basics.
The only PVC I will bury in the dirt is an irrigation line.
Ok, let’s do this scenario. (for those who are calling this somewhat paranoid.)
We all know, or SHOULD know that the government has massive amounts of information stored about all of us. Even those stupid shopping cards record everything we buy and it goes into a computer bank. If you pay by check, there is a record of what you bought. I also suggest that if you haven’t done so already, that you read the book called “Spychips.” It explains that there are manufacturers out there who are putting RFID chips in items like clothing, tires, soles of shoes, etc..and they are hiding them so you don’t know they are there. When you walk through a sensor, or drive over one in the road, (for tires) it will tell the person monitoring the sensor, WHO YOU ARE, and whatever else that they have on you in the system. Read the book. This is no lie.
So let’s say that the government monitors our online activities. And I think they probably DO. We also know that because of the Patriot Act, they also have the right to monitor all phone calls..etc. and no longer supposedly even need a warrant to come into your house. Just some b.s. suspicion is a good enough reason.
So let’s say that they pass laws saying that everyone must register their guns. Or that all firearms are going to be confiscated.? How many people would actually turn them in? So let’s say they might have information that proves you have some. Don’t think for a minute that they wouldn’t bring metal detectors to your house and SEARCH. And if they find some, they could basically do whatever they want to, because now you are officially a CRIMINAL.
It could get REAL UGLY. REAL FAST. So don’t ever say that someone is being TOO PARANOID. I don’t believe there IS such a thing!
I could write a book for you about how I personally have been harassed for the majority of my life, by undercover agents. Long story. But true. And I am doing NOTHING illegal. You would not believe what they do, and GET AWAY WITH IT. You think you have some rights. Well just try to get someone to do something about it when you have a tap on your phone, an agent watching your house, someone picking your locks and coming in your house when you aren’t home, or when you are sleeping. Even if the scumbags are breaking the law, NO ONE WILL HELP YOU, because they cover for each other.
Ok, I’ll shut up now. Just a scenario that everyone should consider.
On the point of gun registration…
Hi Barbara – they have tried a gun registration up here in Canada and it has been a disaster and I don’t mean that from a privacy stand point – that part has just been annoying. The theory was that the gun registry would allow them to track guns used in crime – well they found that most guns used in crimes were either illegal (ie not even for sale in Canada and brought over the border from the US), wanted for crimes committed in the US, stolen and already reported stolen to the police, or used by their owners in domestic abuse. It has cost billions. The system is clunky and unworkable and the current govenment is looking to scrap it.
The problem is that the program plays well on the political stage in the urban centres by politicians playing on the fears of gangs, etc. Hand guns have not been legal in Canada since the 1930s – their purpose is to hunt people, so in theory you shouldn’t need them. Exceptions are made for service weapons and collectors items but those always had to be registered and are rarely the issue. Otherwise most legally owned guns are rifles and most are used in rural situations for hunting on private land.
We are only some 35million people with a small level of gun ownership and they cannot institute a workable registry here… I wouldn’t even want to image in the boondoggle that would happen if they tried to institute something like that in the US.
Well Barbara, that sounds paranoid. You didn’t do yourself any favors, as far as sounding paranoid, when you claim that you’ve been harassed the majority of your life by undercover agents and you’ve done nothing wrong. I’m sorry, but that tends to make me think that you’re the type of person who thinks that the mailman, the checker at the grocery store, and the neighbor’s dog are all undercover agents out to get you.
You’re sounding a little like General Jack D. Ripper, worried that water fluoridation will contaminate his precious bodily fluids! (That’s Dr. Strangelove, if anybody was confused.)
I know how it sounds. It’s a long story, but the bottom line is that I really ticked them off, and it became a vengeance issue. I personally knew a couple of them, and I HAVE had it verified by a sheriff friend of mine who got into their offices and checked their files.
Barbara,
Grow up and stop ticking them off. You are gaining nothing but a self fulfilled prophecy, which is negative.
Barbara, If you look back through the threads, you’ll see that Josh and WITWCT are the kind of people who only want to talk about what they think might happen and denigrate anyone who is prepping for anything else. They’re even trying to tell M.D. what to put in his blog. Don’t worry about them, they’re not the kind of people you’d want in your camp if SHTF. Just keep doing what you’re doing and ignore their trollish behavior.
Well, it certainly does make sense to prep for what you think might happen. You certainly COULD prepare for every possible eventuality, including nuclear war, martian takeover, and a re-emergence of the dinosaurs. By doing this, you might think that you’re being “prepared,” but most people will think you’re more than a little off your rocker.
An “E&E” kit, is probably, like I said earlier, a good thing to have if you are, or expect to be, a fugitive from law enforcement. If you’re planning on operating behind enemy lines, a good E&E plan is an important part of your mission plan. Aside from that though, it seems a little out there. But, if you’re convinced that everyone is out to get you, then there’s probably not much to lose by burying gear somewhere; I doubt anyone is going to think that you’re any more crazy than they already do. I suppose you do have the actual stuff to lose, if you bury it on public property (like some people here talked about), or private property not belonging to you.
I originally came across this site because I was interested in information about sustainable living, and enjoy articles about off-grid living (and being prepared for power outages), food storage and preparation, alternative fuels and energy, etc. Those topics are interesting and important for preparation for a variety of realistic situations. The key word there was “realistic.”
If I ever start feeling like I won’t be able to return home because the police will be there waiting to capture me, then I’ll start thinking about burying an E&E kit. It’s conceivable that someone will place a bomb alongside a road here in central Iowa, and I could drive around getting nervous every time I see a piece of trash along the side of the road, like I would if I were back in Kandahar or Baghdad. You can prepare for all of these extraordinarily unlikely situations and events, but if you live your life expecting the worst all the time, and thinking that everyone’s out to get you, you’re going to be pretty miserable.
Regarding not being invited into your or Barbara’s camp; I won’t let it hurt my feelings. I’ll save my aluminum foil for cooking… can’t afford to waste it making headgear.
Hi Jack,
I am well aware of the fact that I sound like a paranoid. I don’t care. I know that what I have said is true, and has been verified. I’m a strong minded person and their comments don’t affect me much. I have been through much worse than anything they could ever dole out! The good part about my story is that living through what I have had to live through has made me stronger, smarter, and more cautious. I do not live in fear, nor do I have irrational fears. I’m not preparing for most of the things on this website because a lot of them I don’t think will happen, and if they do, the chances of living through them at all are slim.I am not afraid to die. I am a born again Christian, and I know I am going to Heaven when I die. My main concern is getting my loved ones through a hard time. Thank you for the comment(s).
Alright, now this is where I have to say something about paranoia.
If you are in the military/state or federal government agency… you have a file via the FBI. If you are a dependent of the Military (or any other State or Government Agency) same thing.
So at this moment I have up to and including 7 different files.
Am I paranoid about it. No not really. Why? Because if they were coming after me now, they already would have. I keep a low profile, I don’t do anything stupid, I use cash whenever possible and I don’t go with the flow concerning the masses (aka Tea Parties, Oath Keepers etc.)
Don’t believe everything you hear. Research it. Don’t believe everything that people tell you. RESEARCH IT!
It is people that say something that may sound good to them that makes other people look at them strangely and then you are a target. Which means you start talkling crazy, off the cuff or start saying that aliens are coming after me then you will be taken. It is stunts and some of the random things that people say not thinking ahead that gets them in trouble.
Hi Lakelili,
There are political groups here that are always trying to pass laws or even sneak laws past congress, that are in regards to our gun rights. It is a constant battle to keep our rights. Of course it is always the liberals who want to take them. Now we have Obama, who has no regard for our Constitution, or the voice of the people. I wouldn’t put it past him to pass something soon. No, it wouldn’t be easy, and I think it could cause a major uprising, but I wouldn’t put it past him. Just look what they did with healthcare.
I’m expecting a lot more unwanted laws, just because he thinks he can do whatever he wants to, and he’s bribing anyone who won’t go along. We no longer have a government that represents the people. Maybe that will change in November, but it’s hard to trust any of them when there is so much corruption going on. Bribery. Dirty dealing. There’s no integrity anymore, and there is no justice. They break laws every day, and no one even presses charges against them. I’m thinking it might be best to just leave this country.
Fantastic idea, you should leave the country.
Troll.
… and then there is the myopic, monosyllabic faceless jab, simply priceless. Thank you Jack the great defender of the irrational. (See 4/4 @5:15 pm)
You my friend are a different and a more harmful type of troll – one who, in my opinion, does not think objectively.
I originally came to this blog as a huge disbeliever because of my steadfast belief in the the American dream. How our elected officials – when push came to shove, would not allow things to implode was not an ultimate reality to me and foolishly blindly believed in our system. I challenged MD with several anonymous posts or in different pen names as to his information sources – quite frankly I thought he was an extremist.
I listened to MD & the reader comments so to speak, researched & found that not only was he & the vast majority of the readers on the “right” track but found massive amounts of information pointing to the economic collapse (conversely, there is NO factual evidence for a Zombie attack).
MD Creekmore provides a great service here and I believe the blog should remain on the more narrow preparation road. Your paranoia about my influencing Creekmore as to what to submit is idiotic. Obviously, you don’t know him or have not read his stuff clearly.
Further, you call it “trolling” by me and I say it is raising awareness without being PC or overly sensitive. Besides there is no useful value with the paranoia diatribe. Paranoia begets paranoia & the opposite applies as well.
Much of preparation is about & relative to, the probability of an event happening then, plan accordingly. You see it everywhere, business, sports, military, child rearing ad infinitum – think about it… do you think the NY Yankees prepare to play the Baltimore Colts in a water polo match? Of course not that is utterly ridiculous just like a Zombie attack in the Vatican so why prepare for EVERY possibility?
I think there is a vast difference between denigration and speaking out about outright foolishness.
WITWCT, You Paranoid Zombie Troll. No one else is talking about Zombies but you. And, no one is worried about you influencing anyone, much less M.D. I was just pointing out to Barbara what a pompous ass you are, denigrating her comments, telling her to leave the country and generally giving negative responses to every comment. Do the count, you have 20 b.s. comments out of 77 total comments, from an acknowledged “huge disbeliever” aka Troll. And since I have to assume you’re just an ignorant liberal, for your information, “Zombie” is a term used to describe any unknown possibility – not necessarily the living dead.
Jack,
I am so confused, can you please help me?
You say on 4/4 @ 5:18 – “they’re even trying to tell M.D. what to put in his blog” then say today (above) “and, no one is worried about you influencing anyone, much less M.D”
Ahhh, which one is it?
Wow, an ignorant liberal, now there’s a first. I am so far from that … at least the liberal part.
WITWCT,
You’ve now made 21 b.s. comments out of a total of 79 comments for this post. How Trollish.
Since you have only protested being called a liberal, but nothing else, I’ll take that as an admission that you are a pompous ass Paranoid Zombie Troll who makes nothing but denigrating and negative comments.
And since you have also admitted to being ignorant, I will also explain to you that just because someone tries to do something doesn’t mean other people are worried about it; i.e. just because I notice that you’re trying to tell M.D. what to do with his blog doesn’t mean I’m worried M.D. will do what you want, or even care, because it’s M.D.’s blog.
OK, since you protest, maybe you are not a liberal, I don’t know your politics… but you’ve stated that you didn’t believe the government would “allow things to implode”, you “believed in the system”, and you think M.D. is an extremist. So if not a liberal, maybe a hippie… a provocateur… asleep… I don’t know… but still not someone I’d invite over to my campfire.
Now 22 b.s. (Blatantly Simple) comments.
How you extrapolate & come up with this stuff is really something. Do you really get how bad you sound?
Try reading something for what it is not what you want it to be. You might discover something interesting.
Hmmmmm, I thought MD IS an extremist or WAS one…. kind of a big difference.
WITWCT, Until you know all of the details of something, you should not be so quick to judge. I did not deliberately tick them off. They got mad at me because no matter how hard they tried, I refused to break the law, and they tried all sorts of things, believe me.The more I outsmarted them, the more they hated me.As I said, it’s a long story.You are the one who needs to grow up.
You’re just ticked off because I disagreed with you about M.D.’s post being paranoid. I think he’s right, and I like his post, and until you’ve experienced some of these issues yourself, it’s smarter to just keep quiet. Apparently you have not lived in a situation where you had to be on guard at all times. It can give a person ulcers, to say the least.And never under estimate what people can do to you, because when you DO, that’s when you will fail. I hope you do not have to learn this the hard way. I do not live in fear, but I watch what I do. I steer clear of people who break the law.No drugs. No bars. No people in my house I don’t know. Limited friends. No crazy radicals.I keep life simple, but I don’t trust people much anymore, and that’s okay. I don’t need to.
Barbara,
Ah contraire my friend, I am not the least bit ticked off because I consider & value rational, lucid, intelligent opinions of others and learn from them.
MD is a smart, level headed fellow with whom I respect and don’t always agree with but that’s ok. He has created a great open forum as you can tell from the wide variances of opinions and (he) has grown well as a writer with this blog.
FYI – I have substantial experience with being on the wrong side of authority, believe me and have learned one thing – outsmarting them only exacerbates the problems because NOBODY likes to be made a fool of.
I don’t know your personal story but if all you say is true and you do not initiate anything to create the drama you experience, which would seem unlikely – generally it takes 2 to tango, then I would suggest moving out of the area. Also, shred whatever dossiers you have compiled & compromising photos you have collected on those powerful people in your community – the last part was a joke, ha-ha.
Life is too damn short my friend to be peeking thru the blinds every 5 minutes to see who or what has you under surveillance ~
Wit,
They have stopped with the surveillance, and they can’t get in the house anymore because I had special locks installed, and put in a security system, and got a couple of dogs just for pets.But they still tap every phone I get.Even the cell phones, and have even had the nerve to send me text messages from my own number.(!)
I would LOVE to move from here, but can’t leave my dad.He’s almost 80,and lives nearby.Also this house isn’t finished with the remodeling, and we’d lose money on it.I have lived in other counties over the years,and never had any problems then.It’s only in this wretched county, but I can’t move yet, or you bet I WOULD!
I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT AN E AND E KIT.I WILL GET STARTED ON THIS WHEN FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE.TO PREPARE IS NOT PARANOIA,ITS A CHANCE FOR SUVIVING A DISASTER OR CIVIL UNREST.TO THOSE WHO THINK THIS IS A FANTASY,I WOULD RETHINK WHY YOU EVEN PREP.THIS COULD SAVE A LIFE IF ITS NEEDED AND USED.I HOPE I DIDNT MAKE ANY ONE MAD BUT THESE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER.
Jay in NC
Have you prepared for a Zombie attack? If not, why not?
Gotta draw the line somewhere between the probable & the ridiculously remote.
This Escape & Evade kit is the product of too much Hollywood movie influence, the ultimate Fantasy Land and is a distraction to realistic preparing which I have done.
It’s your time, your energy and your money to waste how you want ~
WHAT DO YOU NOT HAVE AN OPINION OF MY FRIEND?
The color of your socks & underwear.
My name is Prepared N.D. and I am an alco….. wait, wrong group. I have prepared for a zombie attack, nuclear holocaust, Yellowstone eruption, and FEMA prison planet takeover. Did I specifically prepare for these threats? No, but I did see that if the economy collapsed or my family lost its source of income for an extended period we would be royally screwed and I would end up waiting for a government handout which screws taxpayers or I would end up being a drain on my family. I also don’t like the idea of saving millions of dollars so I can retire comfortably. Why not just produce the things I need myself, save a truck load of money, and retire comfortably on less?
Funny thing, by becoming self-sustainable I am also preparing for the more improbable threats.. 90% of the preps I have purchased are used when we go camping, hunting, fishing, etc. By buying the gear I need now I can pretty much mark those hobbies off my shopping list, hedge against inflation, and it also gives me a decent insurance plan to fall back on in case something really bad does happen. As for the emergency use only gear that collects dust, it’s only a small fraction of my total preps and the cost is less than my home insurance premiums for a year. It’s a one-time cost unlike regular insurance.
The primary difference between preparing for a zombie invasion and economic collapse is how you plan to use your preps. The gear is essentially the same. It’s the knowledge you aquire the makes the difference, that’s why you see these radical notions entertained in the survival circles. Knowledge is free, and it’s usually entertaining.
So I’m sitting here, pretty much squared away. I can live sustainably if need be. Have I done enough? Logic would say yes, but when I sit here and watch my son play legos in the floor and I honestly ask myself “Have I done everything I can do to assure his safety?” the answer becomes no. What if the house burns down in a collapse? Sounds probable, happens all the time. Solution: take some of the gear and put it in a bag that stays in the car. Problem solved. We have a fairly good amount of crime in the area now, I used to remember as a kid we always left our doors unlocked – times change. What would happen if we had to get out of the area and we only had time to grab our son and no gear? Can I increase my son’s chances or survival? Sure, I can deploy E&E kits. Will I ever have to use them? Highly unlikely. But then again, a lot of crap is highly unlikely until it actually happens. I’m not going to turn a blind eye to a risk because it is improbable. I am going to prepare for it, then forget about it. After all, it would only cost like $100 or less?
How far you go to protect yourself and your family is your personal decision. Mine is to further my knowledge (mainly for the fun of it and to save more money), protect his health/safety through these one-time purchases, buy our regular insurances, and save for his future. Simply growing our own food will practically pay for his college tuition over time. I just don’t see why it’s necessary to half-ass things when there is even a remote possibility of your family encountering harm. You seem to be confusing intelligence with paranoia.
P in ND,
Clearly there is a difference between intelligence & paranoia and obviously you know the distinction. I agree wholeheartedly with your post because prep is prep and can be interchangeable as needed –
It all started with this E & E kit that I still think is way, way over the top and I will never do such a thing. I guess that’ll teach me to open my trap!
BTW, your first sentence really got me chuckling, thanks for the levity.
Thanks, Jay. I think M.D. does a really good job at preparing this site. You can tell he puts a lot of thought and effort into it, and people should not be so rude and nasty to him.
Well Barbara, grin & bear it.
I’d quit writing on the Internet as well because your Internet connection is easy to tap into, very, very easy.
Good luck!
Wit,
I’m not doing anything illegal, and don’t plan to start.I’m not too concerned about anyone monitoring my comp.. just like the phone.Do I like it? No.But when you don’t break the law, there’s not much to worry about.Just gotta make sure you don’t inadvertantly break any laws.For instance, these jerks sent people to my house to try and bust me for having chickens in the city limits.I had them in a pen in my basement, and I think they were hoping to pull a fast one by saying my house was unfit or who knows..? But I got rid of the chickens before they could do anything.That’s the level they will stoop to if they want to cause you problems.Petty stuff.
Well to all of those of you out there in California, hope that your prepping will cover your needs while the earth rumbles around you. I suspect that if your home was damaged, one of these kits would now be pretty handy.
I’ve lived in Southern California since 1958 & have been through many earthquakes and have yet to see any property damage in any of the communities where I’ve lived – L.A. & San Diego. Sure there was damage but not like Hollywood would like you to believe. It is funny how many “outsiders” view earthquakes as this complete leveling of homes when they hit.
This E & E kit would provide little value because even there was an earthquake that destroyed your home, you would be allowed to come back in and get what valuables you wanted quite easily.
The firestorms are a different story. People had to leave rather quickly – some with as little as a couple of hours notice. I live rural and fortunately, we are not endangered.
But both of these are different types of catastrophes than what we (Survivalist) are prepping for – economic meltdown where people go completely into panic mode. These types of natural disasters in my California experience people have aways been overly helpful with the victims.
I may be wrong but I do not see a sudden & complete surprise collapse of our world that would cause us to run out of our houses with the clothes on our backs, carrying what ever we can under our arms. Then the probability of being cordoned off from our homes after-which (instantaneous vacating) seems far too remote.
Although the inevitable financial meltdown is a personal concern but is not near the worry as how people become when they individually, then collectively hit the panic button – that’s when you better have your food & firearm preps wired tight.
I personally witnessed the “Rodney King Riots” in the early 90′s and watched looters run amuck taking what they wanted. The looters always went for the easiest targets or, the lone zebras as I like to call it. The scariest part of all was the militia could only contain the area at best but not stop it. However, Korea Town taught us all a valuable lesson, they were armed and shot at any looting attempt & succeeded quite well in the eye of the storm.
One final rant is my – far & away, biggest concern of the Internet influence. I remember quite well when our only sources of information was the TV, newspapers & magazines all of which required lead time to disseminate and was fairly controlled from an influence standpoint. The Viet Nam war was a perfect example of the controlled news feed.
We live in homes and can see virtually uncensored news from all over the world from the privacy of our living rooms – some more private than others, right Barbara? :-)
When the S does HTF, we know in an instant & this one factor alone will be responsible for creating mass panic and I know the banks know this fact quite well.
Wit, because my comment above is mysteriously diappearing, I will say it again. I am not afraid of someone monitoring my computer. I am doing nothing illegal. My phone has been monitored for years. And these people even had the nerve to send me text messages from my own number! (cell)
Ok, M.D., what the heck is going on with the comments here? I don’t find it humourous. The comment I made above was half missing, so I wrote it again, and now it’s back. Something wrong with this new system, or what?
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