How I feel when talking to the unprepared…

The way that I feel when I talk to people who seem to think that everything is just great, and that the government will always be there and will take care of them if disaster strikes. No need to prep or take responsibility for their own family and survival…


About M.D. Creekmore

M.D. Creekmore is the owner and editor of He is the author of four prepper related books and is regarded as one of the nations top survival and emergency preparedness experts. Read more about him here.


  1. Schatzie Ohio says:

    Alright, this has to be at least a 10 thumbs up and right on the money.

  2. Just think,if that 1/2 a million people who are affected by the water debacle in and around Toledo,had done something as simple as refilling their empty soda bottles and storing them for an emergency such as this,there would be no panic,no angry dehydrated people. When I watched footage of people lined up at national guard water trailers filling jugs, I noticed that no one was being careful with even that water. For every drop that went into the jug,a drop hit the ground. I give up on stupid people, I absolutely give up. Time spent trying to get the teaming masses to accept even a modicum of responsibility for their own well being,is time better spent improving your standing.

    • Bctruck, well said. The fact of the matter is the average American has been dumbed down to the place that he/she doesn’t understand basic facts about life. Like food production, energy production, and as in this case in Toledo, the gathering and distribution of potable water. And if you tell them anything about it, they don’t want to know. I’m like you, I’ve given up on trying to recruit or inform anyone, the vast majority are either too stupid, too arrogant, or too indoctrinated. A hard fall is coming, I sometimes wonder if some in Rome saw their demise ahead of time.

      • Exile1981 says:

        I work contract in the oil patch and usually I come in to fix “problems” for a few weeks and then head off to another site.

        At the last contract one of the people working there mentioned over lunch in the break room the idea of prepping; I kept an ear out from the next table but kept my mouth shut. His thoughts were that everyone should keep track of anyone they knew who was a “prepper”; and he said he writes down the license plate of anyone he sees buying “excessive” stocks of food etc at the grocery store. One of the other people asked him why and his response was that when Trudeau is Prime Minister of Canada and prepping becomes illegal he will have a huge list of people to turn in and collect money by turning them in.

        It’s because of people like him that I keep my mouth shut about prepping. It also made me decide to be more discreet about preps; I know of at least twice that I have been asked by cashiers why I was buying X in quantity,

        • LittleAnniePrepper says:

          People like you’re describing are what makes the world such an awful place these day. And they’re greedy, only out for themselves. And once his money is gone he’ll be the first one to show up at the end of your driveway begging for a heel of bread.

        • patientmomma says:

          When you shop in a big box store there is nothing but large quantities available. Restaurant owners, convenience store owners, cooks etc all shop in quantity. I have never been asked why I was buying 50 pds of anything. Even though I live in a farming community where it is normal to buy in bulk, at the town stores I just by a small amount and wait to buy in bulk when I go into the city.

          • patientmomma
            Good opsec.
            I like shopping at C*stc* store for certain bulk items. The other favorite store is Cash & Carry, they never question the amount it sells as their major purchaser is for restaurants, an occasionally the general public.

          • Exile1981 says:

            The 1st time I got asked was when I bought blocks of margarine and they were on a super good sale so I bought 10 boxes for the DW to make pastry with.

            The second time was me picking up 6 cases of TP because the camp I was heading too had the roughest and thinnest TP in the world and the guys up there all asked me to bring them each a case of something soft. So not actual preps.

            For my actual preps I like to go to 4 or 5 grocery stores or a big box store in the city.

        • I always tell them that it’s for the local food pantry. Always works, and it’s the truth as well 🙂

        • H. Nelson says:

          Sounds like the rat needs to have some accidents. The oil patch can be a hazardous place to work. People who are accident prone don’t usually last long and get laid off.

        • You were buying so you could donate to a food pantry or help with a church dinner, eh?

      • One good thing is that Darwin will cull the obamaphone voters before they can be a threat past the suburbs when SHTF.

      • I have a saying for all of the un-prepared – “poor planning on your part does not create an emergency on my part.”

    • Yeah, and my db and his dw drove 320 miles round trip to Toledo to take water to our elderly ailing injured aunt. Considering the current ppb of the toxin and the summertime, me almost thinks somebody is jumping ahead in ok’ing the water. Darned if I’d be drinking that water yet.

      How freaking hard is it to even have a few gallons in one’s home for emergencies? Rhetorical dumb question, I guess.

      • Somehow, the idea of buying water in single serving bottles seems strange.

        When I was a kid, we were eco-pioneers and trend setters. We had a rainwater harvesting system. Being a bunch of ignorant hicks, we thought it was a cistern.

    • Waste no sleep on the stupid. Its nature’s way of cleansing the gene pool. Perfectly normal.

    • LittleAnniePrepper says:

      I accidentally “thumbs down’d” you, BC. Son of a #$%$^. Please accept my most sincere apologies. I’m not a troll, promise. My hair’s the wrong color. lol

    • Tactical G-Ma says:

      BC, Wolf, Ex,
      I am right there with you. And Ohio has had severe weather and tornados so they should have had the basics in each home. But hey, Oregon had good water. Detroit trucked over bottles. The Red Cross and NG provided aid. What if something like this effected the fresh water in half of the U.S. The ecological ramifications are staggering. Water for people, livestock, irrigation, and wild life and fish – gone. Even if it only lasted 3 mos. Can you imagine?
      This concerns me for the west coast folks. You know we have Aircraft carriers in mothballs in Washington State that have huge desalination plants. They could be put into service to ease the crisis.
      I must admit that I would leave a place that has so many repetitive natural problems.
      Reminds me of a skit of screaming Sam Kennison from years ago where he’s talking about sending financial aid to the drought stricken people in Africa, “Send ’em money? Hell! Send ’em luggage!”
      We each are responsible for our own safety. What can I say. We are tin foil crazy.

      • late2theParty says:

        You mean the “Hey buddy (in Saudi) what’s this? Sand. Yeah. Sand. What’s it gonna be in a thousand years? Sand. Yeah, Sand.” Sam Kinnison? Loved and hated that guy.

  3. Nebraska Woman says:

    These people who think that “God is in his heaven and all’s right with the world” have no common sense. Yes, God is with me; however, he gave me the brains and the sense to interpret the facts and go from there. That includes storing food as Joseph did in Genesis, gleaning as Ruth did, and the courage that Esther had in defending her people.
    Anyone who ignores the world situation and the idiocy of this current administration is stupid, stupid, stupid…..

    • Nebraska Woman,

      Apparently, many have not read the book of Revelations…

      • Nebraska Woman says:

        People like this rarely read, and if they do, it’s trash.

        • LittleAnniePrepper says:

          They’re either reading trash – for instance, my mil reads People. OR they’re watching trash on TV… As dh says, it makes their IQ go down.

      • Schatzie Ohio says:

        It looks like our thumbs down troll is having a field day with all the thumbs down on this thread.

    • Fenland Prepper says:

      Nebraska Woman, BC Truck
      I haven’t read revelations. I am not in any way religious, I do however respect other peoples beliefs, but I do not need to believe in God to know that unfortunately most of the people in the world are sheep and believe they will be cared for by the state.
      The only time they will start to fend for themselves is when they are starving and then they will either develop the crazed mob mentality, or go quietly to the pens.
      Prepping is just a modern word for what our ancestors used to do, when there was no internet shopping, 24hour stores and government handouts.
      The future is gonna have one hell of a big wake up call in it.
      And if it turns out that God is there to us through all the better!
      BC, love the hand operated well pump video on You Tube, hope to have a go at that this year.

      • Thanks! Still using it to water my garden. It got to be hassle bringing water to the garden,so I planted the garden around the pump.

      • LittleAnniePrepper says:

        “Prepping is just a modern word for what our ancestors used to do, when there was no internet shopping. 24 hour stores and government handouts.” These words are so true and so few people remember these days. It will come back to haunt them one day.

      • Nebraska Woman says:

        Thanks for your respectful reply. The Bible is the first and only self-help book that we need.

        • Fenland Prepper says:

          Hey no problem. It doesn’t matter where the lesson comes from as long as we learn. If more people in the world cared. we wouldn’t be on this blog.

          • Not so much cared as know how to care. Some people think it’s caring to take money from some and give it to others. And then when you point out the nonsense of such a policy, they quickly give the example of Jesus feeding the multitudes. But…that was only a one-time thing with Jesus, and He didn’t do it for the rest of these people’s lives. He knew it made people worthless to let them live off the work of others, and that no civilization can take root in such a wrong order of things. Don’t get me wrong, here, I’m all for helping a guy who is down on his/her luck, feeding the hungry, and providing for our old people and handicapped/disabled. That’s what Jesus told us to do. What He did not tell us to do is work ourselves to death so that the fruit of our labors could be taken away under the force of gov’t and given to the lazy and worthless. Or given to the rich and politically-connected.

        • Joecardio says:

          In another discussion somewhere on this site, someone asked ‘Why bring a bible, there are so many other more important books out there to teach us important things WTSHTF’. My response is this; the bible or any other book of worship would be an excellent book to help remind us of our humanity and how to live as a people brought together through community to stay strong and survive. It is this reminder of humanity that we’ll need when the sheep start carrying rifles and going apeshit crazy and going after those in our communit(ies)s who have come together and have the foresight to be prepared should ‘the horsemen come to town’ as Johnny Cash sings. Be well.

    • A popular attribution to Ben Franklin is: God helps those who help themselves. Regardless of who it originates with, it’s something we should all heed in troublesome times. Those who prefer to play ostrich or sponge will have to deal with their own inaction.

  4. mom of three says:

    Just last night I would not get into any kind of pissing match with my family, I just shook my head at my husband, and walked away. They still support the president, and I can’t sit and pretend all is well. Those who get it get it those who won’t will have a tough times ahead of them.

    • I’ve found it best to keep my mouth shut & my ears open.

    • You’re married to someone who supports this zero in the WH? I don’t even have words.

      • Bluegrass Bandit says:

        I can understand the pain. My wife is one of the smartest people I’ve ever met, and she voted for Obama – twice!

        • OldSoldat says:

          My wife is one of the smartest people I’ve ever met, and she voted for Obama – twice!

          This whole sentence is a logic fail. O_o


          • To OldSoldat,
            There are different kinds of smart. I know people with a bucket full of degrees and are policy makers for the rest of us…… and not enough common sense to grab their own butts. Even when presented with cold hard facts, they just start talking faster and louder with pie in the sky of how we should all help others.
            Ha, any of us who stay married for any length of time know you just have to pretend not to notice our spouse’s faults. As we say in the South, “Bless her heart.”

          • Yeah, I had a SIL like that. Smart as heck, remembered darn near everything she ever read. BUT, in the real world she couldn’t figure out how to poor piss out of a boot if the directions were written on the heel.

            Smarts ain’t much use without some sense.

      • mom of three says:

        It’s my parents, and brother and sister in law who support. It’s just me hubby, mother in law who does not support . My brother went on a rant and my hubby, looked at me to save him.. I just walked away I end up feeling like the scolded little sister we are 9 years apart if I try and talk.

        • Sorry for the misunderstanding about your husband. As for the family, I cut some of mine loose rather than pretend I agreed with their lunacy. Moving to another state helped as well. I haven’t seen some of them in years, don’t miss them one iota as some are nothing but a bunch of lazy, worthless bums content to live off the sweat of others. And some who have been successful, one is a lawyer, are 100% behind Obama. Those of us who have some sense still keep in touch, we wrote the others off years ago. For some reason the Obama-loving knotheads still try to communicate with me even after years of silence on my part. I finally changed my email, and they don’t know my mailing address.(I have a PO box).

          • I agree Wolfman. We cut loose some useless family members in the same way, and guess who came knocking when they thought there was some inheritance money coming from my family? The rest are drinking themselves stupid, and good riddance.

            The ones who disagree most loudly with preppers have Survivalist Envy (as one blogger called it) because their pride cannot now admit that there are problems that will soon tumble their glass houses. To act means to accept and actually do something, which they are unwilling to do.

    • Mercy, anyone who has supports our current president and his government………don’t waste your time with them. I don’t talk to them about anything serious….I just look at them and see airheads. After Katrina these kind of folks were sitting on top of their houses and on overpasses waiting for our government to “take care of them. ” And the government did take care of them…..after 48 hours of 90 degree weather with no fresh water or food. People Then many were moved into buses and sent out of state………and they didn’t know which state they were even going to. Some of the police turned on the citizens, including murdering several…..the trials continue for the policemen involved. The cops entered private homes and took away guns from legal owners. Our FEMA people sent people to Louisiana to give massages to first responders, such as firemen or cops……..yes, you read that right. People who started to attempt repairs on their homes were punished later. No money for them, but the people down the road that didn’t even pick up trash from their front yard……plenty of volunteer help and financial assistance. Once I watched this utter madness, I knew I would never depend on my government for any sort of help.
      The government has an interest in keeping people looking to it for help……easy to control….read about Russia and how that worked out for them.

      • Canyonman says:

        Amen, sister. And now Ray Nagin’s in the pokie and hopefully Leland Yee will be joining him soon –

    • Hurts to keep biting ones own tongue and gluing ones own hands to a chair. Ommmmmmmmmm.

    • patientmomma says:

      Oh my gosh, mom of 3. “They still support the president”; you poor dear! You must really love your spouse to put up with that!

  5. I don’t talk about prepping w/nonpreppers. Most think your crazy, because of the Doomsday Prepper show. There were a few who were and those are the ones everyone remebers. So I keep my mouth shut & just keep opsec.

    • Owl Creek Observer says:

      Agree. I do watch the shows Mountain Men, Life Below Zero and Alaska: The Last Frontier. I think they demonstrate very well how tough life can get without all the modern conveniences that we have now. Too many of the Doomsday Preppers episodes are about folks who spend a lot more time thinking about guns and ammo than on storing food and water and learning the skills necessary to replenish those items when they eventually run out.

    • I’m dumb and stupid; therefore not worth listening to.

      • Im sorry you have people around you that make you feel like that.I think I speak for the pack when I say your opinion is valued here.

        • Thanks, bctruck. (Actually, I meant outside the Pack I’m dumb & stupid.) I shut my mouth more and more and more. This morning’s production/EHS meeting included a few comments from me re having a few gallons of water stashed. Yes, I explained that I was from Toledo and still had an aunt & friends there. I laugh here at work when somebody mentions their well pump shut off, and then they couldn’t prime it ’cause they had no water, and therefore they were late for work.

      • mom of three says:

        I agree that is why I just shut up, it’s not worth our breath trying to explain.

    • Trying to educate any individual from the brain dead non-prepper masses is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    • Canyonman says:

      Amen to that. As for those with “stranger danger” beneath your own roof – I just don’t know what to say, and pray blessings on you for what you must be trying to deal with. I keep a very small circle because I put immense stock in faith and trust – so I have a lot more acquaintances than I do friends, and I really prefer it that way.

      I’m going to the dark side for a minute. Follow along at your own risk.

      We had some good friends for several years, and in 2008 they decided to get involved in politics. Everything became political, even their Christmas newsletter. And no, it wasn’t the right-headed kind of political leaning. We slowly eased out of the relationship, because they knew a lot about us, and we came to understand that we could no longer trust them.

      We had, you see, developed a “trust test”. It’s quite simple.

      It’s why so many here recommend a small, close-knit group of those you trust with your very life – people you’d never give up, and people you trust to do the same for you and yours.

      Here’s the test. It’s only one question.

      Let’s say someone you know has some idea, or notion, or inkling, that you’re a prepper, or a survivalist, or that you have a lot of supplies/gear/guns; that you think hard times are coming, and want to be ready for a disaster. The Obamajugend, fully funded by the DHS and under the authority of numerous executive orders, rolls into your neighborhood. They’re knocking on doors and asking questions. They’re hunting domestic terrorists, you see, dangerous folks who are seeking to overthrow the government. They want to know who has guns and food stashed away.

      The question: Will the “someone you know” give them your name? Answer carefully, and take your time – a lot of folks got this one wrong in the 1930s-40s.

      • Canyonman
        Until the last few years, so called friends knew if they need something from our store of goods the could help themselves and replace it when they could. We did not hide the fact from them, I trusted them.
        That is why we am looking for property for that special camping get away. Not for us, our “stuff” needs to go camping. Certain items can not go boating unless they have their life vests on.

        • Canyonman says:

          Amen, sister. Our “friends”, upon whom the trust test was designed, failed. Once they fell into lockstep with Sotero, anyone who didn’t have a yard sign and an O-Hole logo on their car was a racist. It got out of control in a hurry. We’re talking mouth-frothing, bug-eyed, “you have to get on board” mentality. These were people who had dined at our table many times and with whom we had shared a lot of deep thoughts and conversations.

          We didn’t speak to them the last couple of years before we lit out for the high country, and of course didn’t tell them when we moved, or where to. Took that page from the Wolfman book. 🙂

  6. It’s a generational thing, today’s society only knows that “someone” will take care of you be it mom & dad or the gov’t. I could get on my soapbox about how it’s because of modern convenience, tv, helicopter parents, political correctness and everyone winning a trophy but I know I’m preaching to the choir. As an interesting side-note locally there hasn’t been much news about the Toledo water issue. My dh hadn’t even heard about it until I mentioned it to him & he’s Mr News. If it were NYC or LA it would be a much more prominent in the news.

    • Guess I never answered the question. In our family we don’t call it prepping per say we call it being sensible and having things stocked away for emergencies. Growing up & having lots of bumps we know to have extra food on hand just in case.
      Of course with my sister I just smack my head because she will never ‘get it’ she thinks Prince Charming will take her away. Non-family members I just shake my head because they don’t get it & I feel like the little guy in your picture

  7. I’ve heard it all from “if it gets that bad I’d rather be dead” to “that’s so stupid everybody knows that can’t happen”. I believe that the bias hardwired into the majority of people is an evolutionary culling mechanism. Many of us who have prepared will die due to inadequate of non applicable strategy. Others will fail to make it due to simple bad luck. Those with their heads either in the air, in the sand or stuck far up some anatomical feature will pretty much all die except those few who are blessed (cursed?) by again, random chance.
    I’ve pretty much zipped the lip with talking about preparedness as I finally remembered a very ancient proverb passed down from my Viking ancestors. “Never argue with a fool as you have more to lose than he does”
    If someone presses the issue I simply tell them that they will make very good doggy chow for my guardians. I save this one for the “I’ll just come to your place” crowd.

  8. It is at least once a day that I pray for God to show my adult sons ( 34 and 25 ) that I am not making a mountain out of a mole hill. While I pray “Thy will be done…” sometimes in my heart I secretly wish they would loose their jobs or income so they will wake up and get moving.
    One son ( 25) is the one who got me seriously started on this journey, yet when it comes right down to moving, letting go of the life he has, he has excuses. I think sometimes for the younger ones it is more like a video game or weekend adventure then real life.

  9. I did order and begin reading the book MD noted on an earlier post The Survival Group’s Handbook by Charley Hogwood. I am hoping it gives me ideas on getting certain people on board. Sadly, after only 27 pages I am questioning if I want certain family members in the group. If they cannot commit to returning an e-mail, how do I trust them with limited food supplies, etc.?

    • I made my mind up last year when I got into prepping big time, that I would have to make some hard decisions about this prepping thing. It breaks my heart but other than one family member and his family……….there is not one person in my life I could count on….they would all line up for the FEMA camp as soon as they had no food….about a week for most of them. And forgive me for saying this, but most would pray like crazy for help from above…..reminds me of the joke about the man who was swept away in a flood. A helicopter came by and he waved them off, “God will take care of me.” A man in a boat offered help, again, “God will take care of me.” As he was drowning, he shouts, “God, why didn’t you save me?’ God, said, “But I sent you a helicopter and a boat.” Enough said…if God gave us a brain…..perhaps he expected us to use it for something besides keeping our head inflated………..hahaha….maybe that is why I call ’em airheads.

  10. The cub(13) knows (opsec)we don’t talk about prepping outside the house. We jokeingly call it prepping for the zombi apoc. . He helps pack and store the food and other prepps. He can shoot , clean , & load the firearms we have. Right now he’s doing his school work (school started today for him).

  11. axelsteve says:

    I practice opsec and I try not to throw my pearls to the swine.I am very careful about the words that I use.I do though discuss world conditions and see where that could go in conversation.

    • patientmomma says:

      I don’t speak about “prepping”, if something has happened I ask “what do you hear about…?” or “what’s going on in …?” Then I listen…

      I am not a prepper; I am a very frugal shopper.

  12. Canyonman says:

    I have a couple of acquaintances who have asked me a dozen times about buying a gun. This has been ongoing for more than two years. Same conversation over and over and over – “world’s a dangerous place, I’ve been thinking about buying a gun…” I gave lots of sound advice, lots of encouragement, shared all the reasons why it’s good to be armed, and I finally gave up.

    I remind myself constantly that God is in control. As an optimist who converted to realism, I simply don’t see this country making a comeback the way so many optimists envision it. Too many piglets on the gubmint teat, too many stupid people dropping water (thanks, BC), too many who have surrendered to the O-Hole and willingly become enslaved. The socialist playbook got that one right – pretend to care while you’re slitting their throats. Shut down the economy while fawning over the environment, so the rich can get richer on carbon credits and “green energy” scams. Get the masses addicted to government handouts. Then you can lie, lie, lie and they’ll just nod along like a bobblehead doll, despite having the truth right in front of them, and because of those handouts, they expect the gubmint to take care of them in any emergency. Right this way to the FEMA camp, no pushing or shoving, keep your hands inside at all times …

    The simple truth is that I have lost all compassion for the willfully ignorant. I can’t argue with them, and I can’t persuade them. I don’t have the time or the patience. They have to wake up on their own.

  13. I sometimes try people out by asking if they have any hurricane supplies. None of that ‘Prepper Stuff’, mind you, just hurricane supplies.

    Once in a while someone will surprise me by saying they save bottles of water, and, oh, have a camp stove, and lanterns with batteries, but by and large I see a kind of glazed look come over their faces.

    They know they can’t even say that they will buy stuff when needed, because everyone here knows the stories of stores being stripped when a hurricane approaches. They know they won’t be able to buy supplies at the last minute, but buying when the stores are filled with food and water and everything else is ‘just too hard.’

    I think it is a form of learned helplessness, and while some people are getting seriously into being prepared, the vast majority seems to be falling further into learned helplessness.

    I understand that out political system encourages helplessness as a basic human right, and that our public schools demand passive response to bullying lest the victim be punished as severely as the bully. I understand that schools teach children that they must be helpless during an assault, or else.

    I also understand that learned helplessness in childhood carries over into adulthood, and that our politicians of both parties like it that way.

    Avoiding learned helplessness may be one of the best reasons for keeping children out of the public school systems. The problem is that so few parents can afford to do so.

    And that is exactly why the collectivists have been winning. And why they are so set against home schooling and voucher schools: kids may learn that they don’t have to be victims. They can take care of themselves.

    That is a very dangerous lesson for the collectivists to allow.

    • Canyonman says:

      Amen, Penrod. Should you and yours decide to pull a Tom Hanks and build a raft to escape the island (remember, you’ll need more rope), you are welcome at mi casa.

      Our son went to public school from kindergarten through 3rd grade. (We had enough of that, and my wife homeschooled him for a while, then he went to a private Christian school. But I digress.) He was being bullied and was scared of getting in trouble, because the teachers had carefully explained that you couldn’t fight back. I told him if that kid touched him again, to lay him out, and I’d take care of the rest. So the kid touched him, and my boy went to town on him, and I got called at work that my son was being suspended for a week. I left work, marched into the principal’s office, and explained to her the way things work in the real world, and that if they suspended my son we were going to court.

      The compromise? For the next three days, I sat in the principal’s office with my son during lunch. 🙂

      And my son is a successful, well-adjusted, almost-30 young man with a great job and very little regard for the government or most people his age… LOL

      • Geez, canyonman, you and I have many things in common. I was known as the troublemaker in our old public school system. I had a fast track to the principal’s office. The straw that broke the camel’s back was when my 9 yr. old daughter was threatened by another student with a knife, and when I went back to follow up on the threat, there was that same student. I almost took care of the future serial killer myself, but held back on account of my daughter. That was her last day in public school, she is in college now with a 3.87 GPA. I did something right, who knows what happened to the little thug? We moved to another state, one that is rural and red.

      • Good for you, Canyonman! Public schools vary from place to place, but too many of them seem to teach lessons which are best not learned.

        As for that raft…We may have to make it out of Japanese lumber which keeps washing up from Fukushima. (I wonder if any Japanese are getting into prepping…) We’ll try to show up at your door with some food, guns, and gold. And few coconuts.

        • Canyonman says:

          That’s all I need. The ashtray, the remote control, the paddle game, and this magazine, and the chair.

          • Yep. When our raft bumps up against your porch, please don’t open fire: We come in peace.

            Hmmmmm…isn’t that what Cortez said?

          • Canyonman says:


            Y’know, it’s interesting – my wife and I had always kept supplies on hand, being raised by parents who lived through the Depression. It just made sense to be well-provisioned, and if it was on sale, and wasn’t going to expire, and we could afford it, then by golly, fill the cart. After 9/11 our whole attitude changed. We have never used the term “prepping” or “prepper”. We refer to our food as “the larder” or “our stores”. Everything else is “the gear”. We talk about “being ready”. Just seems to make sense – it’s not a hobby, it’s a way to live life.

            We’ve also got those same idiot relatives who spend thousands and thousands of dollars each year on sporting events and partying, but won’t buy a can of beans – and they’ll undoubtedly show up here if and when.

          • Canyonman
            Also a child who’s parents were children/young teenagers during the depression.
            Of the 4 of us siblings I am the only one who truly listened to our parents about the times everything was in short supply. My mom spoke of staples being rationed during WWII, she traded butter, sugar for meat and other items to feed us.

          • Canyonman,
            …and, this thermos,,, and that’s all I need. Also, always know where your towel is.

          • Canyonman says:


            I can’t even count the number of times these lines come up when my wife and I are inventorying our larder/gear/ammo! LOL

        • sharonsj says:

          Re Fukushima: I read that originally the Japanese trusted everything the government told them. Now that their kids are getting thyroid cancer and their farm animals have tumors, they realize how stupid they were.

      • Hehe, pretty much what I always told my son and he is also a well-adjusted adult with a good job and little regard of gov’t or those who think they can push him around. Maybe our schools should also start teaching kids to stand up for themselves and we could produce some real leaders for the country’s future. I worry about the current crop and what will become of the country when they are running things.

    • NJGunGUy says:

      Well put Penrod. I never thought about asking people if they had “hurricane supplies”. Yes, I agree learned helplessness carries over from childhood. I too was a product of my towns public school system and they were very much about “learned helplessness”. This carried over into my adult life until someday my switch tripped on and I realized that I was indeed on my and could not depend on anyone else but myself. When did I learn this? When my dad died and I became the sole provider for my family. No more learned helplessness for me.

      However, schools are very good and sneaky about the way they teach learned helplessness. Most teachers don’t even realize they are teaching it and most parents are also a product of the same system, don’t see it or don’t care. My kid goes to private schools where they are teaching more about independence than helplessness and my wife and I make sure that our kid works out challenges on her own.

      • Hi NJGunGuy: “Most teachers don’t even realize they are teaching it ”

        I suspect you are correct. They put it into different terms like ‘Violence is bad. Stop the cycle of violence by refusing to fight back. If you fight back, you are perpetuating the cycle of violence.’

        Which of course means the bad guy wins. Always. And the kid learns to be passive in the face of aggression by peers, and in the face of oppression by The Authorities.

        Which I guess is the whole purpose of the process. I suspect the people running the teachers schools, like Bill Ayers, know very well what they are teaching the teachers. They just don’t talk about it in those terms, except among themselves.

        • PS: ” I never thought about asking people if they had “hurricane supplies”.”

          It seems to be a lot less threatening than asking more general questions about are they prepared for a collapse. Also less revealing about one’s own preps. “We prepare for hurricanes, but not enough for long time. Just hurricanes. And we can’t afford to have a lot of extra food and water for many others. That’s why people should have…”

          I think the big emotional breakthrough comes when they realize that pretty standard bad things can and do happen, and that it really isn’t all that difficult to prepare fairly well.

          I wonder how many NJ and NYers woke up after Hurricane Sandy. It seems like a “Duh” moment, but probably not all that many have water, food, a camp stove, lights, a radio, and a first aid kit, to get them through 10 days. “It’s just too hard.”

          Do you have any handle on that?

          • NJGunGUy says:


            To answer your question regarding “I wonder how many NJ and NYers woke up after Hurricane Sandy. It seems like a “Duh” moment, but probably not all that many have water, food, a camp stove, lights, a radio, and a first aid kit, to get them through 10 days. “It’s just too hard.”

            Not many of them, people around here have very short term memories of bad events other than when the stock market crashed or lost money. Where I live it’s all about status and money. As for everything else, the local, state of federal government will swoop in and help.

          • Down here in south Jersey, a few wised up but not enough to really make much difference.

        • NJGunGUy says:

          You’re 100% correct. If all of a sudden a kid stands up for themselves they are the ones in trouble. We taught our daughter to always stand up for herself and to heck with the “consequences”.

          • Fenland Prepper says:

            I taught my two girls how to fight as soon as they were old enough. It’s kinda funny when the parents of the local bully come calling about how my girl beat him up! I showed them the teeth marks on her shoulder and said he was lucky she only broke his nose.
            And when we got into prepping and they had grown up and got their homes, they were right there with us.
            Makes me proud.

          • Canyonman says:

            Outstanding, on all counts!!

        • Joecardio says:

          As a teacher, I NEVER taught that. Even to my son. Give them a couple warnings to stop, and if they don’t, protect yoursf however you feel is best suited; to my son that is punching them in the throat. No joke. Telling students not to fight to defend themselves isn’t preparing them for the rap world, and as teachers, thats our job. Many do avoid this type of approach, but I can sleep at night knowing I taught my students to defend themselves when needed, but also not to start the trouble either, or you could be lying on your back counting ceiling tiles.

    • Our conversations start similarly, except insert ice/winter storm instead of hurricane & see how it goes from there.

      On the whole school thing – one day I got a call from the principal when my younger one was in 3rd grade. He punched someone on the playground. The principal said another child was picking on him- because you know boys will be boys. Right then & there I told him, no it’s not boys being boys if it got to the point my son hit him. I also told him I had no qualms with the incident because my son stood up for himself & no one ever messed with him again.

    • How hard can it be to collect enough extra food for a couple of weeks meals, at least? And save some water? That’s simply storm preparation and I can’t imagine not doing it.

      Bullies understand one thing, and it isn’t passivity. Giving even better than you get is the only way to convince them to leave you alone. And to not fight back against assault?!? Purely crazy. I always told my kids not to start anything, but if someone else made the first move against them, they had my permission to let ’em have it. Teaching kids that they can’t defend themselves is probably one of the dumbest things schools teach.

      • Hi LR, “How hard can it be to collect enough extra food for a couple of weeks meals, at least? And save some water? ”

        About as easy as can be. For a couple weeks —or a few months, for that matter— the food just means inventorying more canned goods, rice, and pasta. Ideally with a camp stove and some of the small bottles of fuel.

        Water: water fountain jugs from Home Depot and an appropriate number of tub liners.

        Flashlites, lanterns, radio, and batteries. A modest first aid kit.

        I figured out after one of the hurricanes that if one started from scratch, bought brand new good quality stuff, everything but food from Amazon, you could get everything by clikking the mouse for around $400. That was probably more than needed, but that was buying everything new, not used.

        The food would essentially be free because it would be eaten and rotated, though one would have to come up with the money to build the inventory.

        It isn’t hard to prep for a storm, and it isn’t very expensive, either as there are ways to cut costs in a big way.

        There really is no excuse. Even poverty stricken people can refill plastic bottles of water.

        I do get tired of people who’s disaster plan consists of “I’ll be a burden on others.”

    • You all are calling people stupid for not prepping. While I respect your opinions my life experiences have led me to believe its slacker laziness more than stupidity. They believe the mainstream media because it’s much more convenient to turn on the idiot box than research other forms of news. They may have researched water storage but got turned off by $100+ barrels when they could get off their duff and clean up a repurposed pickle barrel or save the soda bottles as you mention. To me its laziness and sloth which the bible speaks against clearly. My back is killin me most days and I still prep the poor mans way. It’s easier when I am confident that God wants me to do it. Don’t have any prepping friends and go it alone. When I do talk to folks it’s always to warn them about their precious pensions and 401ks and remind them that college freshmen recently polled believe more in extra terrestrials than ever receiving social security. Guess we are both right, stupid and lazy : (

      • Hi Billbo “college freshmen recently polled believe more in extra terrestrials than ever receiving social security. ”

        I hate to say it but those college freshmen are right on that issue.

        And I don’t think we are going to see any XTs any time soon, either.

    • Penrod
      Hope your neighbors are ready for the incoming weather that is headed your way.
      Actually you have two coming your way, it is the second one that is the level 4 catagory. They will be stripping the shelves if this things gets any closer to your home land.
      Stay safe over there, high & dry.

  14. Thomas The Tinker says:

    Ok…. the emergency is over in Toledo! Yepper… the lake is as clean and clear as a glass of distilled water. Water distribution centers closed 56 mins ago cause nobody needs the free stuff now.

    We had a nice insight into the character of the common city dweller. 90% of Toledo acted in a moral honorable fashion. Some…. the 10%ers drifted from one center to another and some were to stupid to notice that the same network crews kept track of it… and shared it with the rest of the city.

    My DIL called Sunday afternoon only after they were down to the last quart. Clueless and so appeared to be her DH the engineer. ….. I took my Grandchildren 60 gallons. I both loved and hated to see the character studies out on the town with vacant looks asking anybody and everybody “… Wa I do? … When am I gonna get some? Where can I go?

    Hoarding…. Yes there was… big time. I drove down to visit my BIL in Hillyard, Ohio … just West of Columbus. Shortage signs all the way down there. No water available From Findley, Ohio.. North. If this little hiccup is any indicator as to the actions of he hoards…. I can only know…. that if this was a ‘Food or fuel’ issue…. the 10%ers will in fact clear the shelves in less than 30 mins. Ok… with drive times…… 40 mins.

    Another Note for the Pack….. The City of Toledo was aware that Mycocytin levels were well over 3 times the Max limits Friday. What time…. We’ll find out. The City Fathers waited till 2:a.m. Saturday morning to announce the ‘Ban’. Some would call that manipulation… CYA… herd control … pick one.

    I only emptied one… 1 … 6 gallon aquatainer!

    • I’m so glad that I left there many many moons ago. My db drove from SE OH to drop off water to our aunt. He and his dw called me as soon as they got home. The area (older West end) has gotten even worse over the last few years.

    • I live in Hilliard/Dublin. Next time your down, would love to try to meet you and yours.

  15. I prep because I’ve read history and the notion of being self reliant appeals to me. Humanity and stability when it comes to governments and economics are replete with powder keg examples exploding to the detriment of the ill informed.

    I’m moved more towards compassion than disdain for those don’t understand what prepping and self reliance is all about. I don’t sneer at people because they are caught up in the Bread & Circus instant gratification consumerism dependencies that corner people into a false sense of disempowerment.

    Going off the grid, self reliance, prepping is being smeared as some kind of crime and many people haven’t been introduced to the concepts of that type of life. It’s foreign to them mostly smeared by media outlets so wonder more people don’t get it.

    Here’s a link to Off The Grid News with a radio podcast interviewing Robin Speronis who was jailed for living off the grid. It’s a heart touching story well worth listening to.

    Off-Grid Widow Jailed Over Baseless Charges

    • She wasn’t really “off-grid” – she was using City sewer for her waste. They use the water charge to help pay for sewer treatment. To be off- grid, you have to have a chemical toilet, latrine, outhouse, or septic system.

      • Shes was completely off grid; sewer, water & electricity. That’s why her city came after her condemning her house after she appeared on t.v. pointing out the virtues of living off the grid. The city wasn’t making any money off of her spurring the baseless charges leading Robin to being jailed.

  16. NJGunGUy says:

    I hope I’m not rambling but here is my opinion. I don’t bother talking to other people in my area about having supplies for even a three day power outage because most are too ignorant to listen.

    Case in point the first two things I purchased when my wife and I closed on our home twelve years ago was a 3000 watt Honda generator and a backup sump pump. These two tools sat idle for six years. Then my town lost power for a week due to a powerful early March Nor’Easter.

    I used my generator for that time and powered all the essentials which for me are the sump pump, refrigerator, steam boiler and ONE florescent light bulb per room. My family was comfortable, warm, safe and we had food. My neighbors on the other had were ill prepared, had their basements flooded, food spoiled were cold and in the dark for a week. The worse part was that their kids were in the cold as well. Thankfully, I had thought ahead and our toddler was safe and warm.

    So, after the Nor’easter my neighbors exclaimed how “smart” I was to have a generator. Fast forward to Hurricane Irene, an October Snow Storm and Hurricane Sandy. Not one of these people purchased a generator and were once again in the dark with flooded basements and spoiled food. What lesson had I learned from the Nor’easter? That I needed another generator in the event that my primary generator failed. What did they learn, ” generators are too expensive”.

    So long story short I realized that due to the area I live in most people thing that the Government will take care of them and keep them safe. So where was the Government when their food spoiled, basements flooded and the kids got sick due to lack of heating?

    • So where was the Government when their food spoiled, basements flooded and the kids got sick due to lack of heating?

      AWOL. But they’ve been conditioned to expect it, so they don’t care. Sooner or later the gov’t will get around to them, until it won’t. Then what? We’ll find out sooner rather than later, I’m thinking.

    • After hurricane Floyd back in 1999 we lost quite a bit, then we got our generator which saved us many times. Our neighbor across finally got one after Sandy. Over the years He’s actually wanted us to run an extension cord across the street to help him out any time we lost power. Yes he also had Oh-bummer signs in his front yard during the election

      • Canyonman says:

        See? You don’t necessarily have to ask someone about prepping, or emergency preparedness, or the end times, or surviving the next disaster.

        Just ask them who they voted for. Everything else follows that. 🙂

      • NJGunGUy says:

        I’ve had neighbors ask me if they can run an extension cord to my generator. My canned answer is sorry it’s already maxed out on watts and amperage, which trtanslates into “you should have bought one yourself. Why the heck should I risk having them plug in the big screen tv, monster fridge and disco lights only to screw up my generator. To them it’s about thinking they can bum off my gear for free. Nope, I won’t even give them a can of beans. Lack of planning on their part does not mean I have to make up for their stupidity. Now, that being said, I have a neighbor down the block who ran out of gasoline during Sandy. I helped him because at least he made an effort to be ready. He wasn’t being stingy on the gasoline thinking that two gallons would be sufficient. He just didn’t realize how much gas his ten trillion watt generator would eat.

        • Our excuse was we can’t run a line across the street because it could get tangled in a car driving by. It killed me because we’d tell him the same thing every time & he’d still ask every time the power went out. He’s funny now because we’ve had several outages since Sandy & he goes on & on about what a life saver it is. He’s one I would never tell about what we have.

          • Andi,

            You’re 100% correct. Don’t tell him anything you have. He’ll be the first one trying to beat down your door when he runs out of food. During events like hurricane Irene or Sandy I just look at people and say “whatever will we do ?” Then I go back inside, cook a meatball parmesan dinner for the family while our lights are on and our heat is running. That’s another thing that kills me, most homes in my neighborhood were built with steam boilers. 95% of the people have converted from steam heat to central heat and central AC. What they don’t realize is what little power it takes to get a steam boiler to work. In addition, with one modest generator you can power at least one window unit AC and at least have one comfortable room in the house. I would never ever get rid of my steam boiler.

  17. They’re obviously too stupid to survive on their own. And, LOL, they keep expecting a different outcome!

  18. Like a lot of folks on here I have quit talking. If they ask, I express my opinion otherwise I just roll my eyes and walk away.

    And it is tough when your significant other isn’t on the same page as yourself. He’s worried about having enough groceries and entertainment but not the means to cook said groceries or the power to run his entertainment. We are still a work in progress!

    • Entertainment? Its not my business,but I have to say,I’ve grown to not expect much from anyone who wastes their precious time on video games. If thats not the entertainment you mean, then please forgive me for spouting off. If it is what you mean by entertainment, Girl, Preparedness is gonna be all on you. Maybe a good storm that knocks out the power for a while will get him to put down the controller and pick up a shovel and dig a garden. God Bless!

      • LOL, not video games but DVDs and CDs. I love the old boy dearly, but he doesn’t have a practical bone in his body. And whatever you do don’t ask him to be concrete/sequential cause his random/abstract eyes will just glaze over. We get along because I am an equal random/concrete/sequential. I can follow his flights of fancy and if it has practical application I can make it work. When I need a really creative solution to a problem he can come up with some interesting ideas. There is a place in this old world for dreamers or the Good Lord wouldn’t have made them.

        And yes, sometimes I get tired of being the practical one.

  19. I live in a retirement community and trust me these people are sound asleep. After them sharing who they voted for and how full recovery is just around the corner I run when I see them coming. No point talking to people this out of touch.

  20. Antizombie says:

    Ditto to many on this site. I have very few friends that prep and many whom I have told some of what we do, snicker and giggle . I have quit talking to anyone that I don’t intend to take in in the event of tough economic times or worse and they understand that there will be NO free ride. They’ll come prepared to contribute or it’s hit the road Jack. My DW and I are putting away what we can and making progress to become as self sufficient as possible. Slow but steady. Just hope we have time. Our response to the Israeli conflict tells me that time may be running shorter than we think…..

  21. Tango Bravo says:

    Many here are writing about their difficulties with talking to others about prepping. I recently read a post that mentioned something about a book, “The Fourth Turning”. I followed the links and discovered a very interesting theory about generational crises. I bought the book and could not put it down. It is a very convincing argument about history cycles and why our society is undergoing a crisis. You will not get perfect answers for what to do or about what the current threat is but you may gain another explanation to help others comprehend and understand the dangers we now face. I was initially impressed that the authors wrote their book in 1997 and their prediction and explanation is so accurate I cannot stop thinking/talking about it.

    • Read “The Camp of the Saints” by Jean Raspail. Here’s the Wiki entry, which is accurate.

      The Camp of the Saints is a 1973 French apocalyptic novel by Jean Raspail. The novel depicts a hypothetical setting whereby Third World mass immigration to France and the West led to the destruction of Western civilization.

      Sound familiar? And to think this book was written in 1973.

      • Tango Bravo says:

        Thanks…I will check it out. It is crazy how some authors can detect a wrinkle in the matrix and explain its logical consequence years in advance of others who are watching the same events.

  22. I feel like I cant prep around my own family, except my sisters. I passed a chance to get some food for less than a dollar a pound at wynco because my nana wouldn’t understand it. I feel like the guy in the book 229 days, and everyone else is kind of like his wife. Everyone else is the sheep, and they make me look crazy

    • Canyonman says:

      What does your nana have against affordable food?

      • Nothing. We got a lot of popcorn kernels and other stuff, but not food for long-term storage

        • mom of three says:

          It’s getting super expensive to buy groceries, when our refrigerator went out on father’s day weekend, I had went to costco, butter was $9.99 for four pounds of butter, that was $2.00 more then in May $7.99. Jump to July, it’s now $11.99 for the same four pounds. I’m kind of curious to see in August, if it’s still $11.99 or if it’s gone up some more. We are on the West Coast, I wonder in other regions what butter, is?

          • mom of three says:

            What butter prices are in other regions?

          • Canyonman says:

            In the Rockies, it’s $3.69/lb. but can be had on sale for $2.50/lb.

          • Pretty much the same in NE.

          • Prepared Nurse says:

            $3.69 in northern OH.

          • mom of three
            I have to pickup a prescription at the Costco, and I will check out our prices up here.
            Have you been checking the monthly ads at Cash & Carry. I expect the closer we get to Labor day or Halloween it will go on sale again.
            They have sirloin on sale, along with frozen vege’s good for dehydrating. The rest of the selection is rather so-so this month. If I find it on sale, will give you a heads up.

          • mom of three says:

            Yes, I will check our local cash and carry to see what they have going on.

          • Rocketmama says:

            Yesterday at costco in Utah the price was $10.99 for a four pack. The local walmart is $3.98/lb for their no name brand. Very pricey.

    • Madison, are you going off to collegs soon? Will you be in a dorm? If so, you need a stash of emergency food fod the dorm. Last winter, during ice/snow closures, my DD’s campus had no food available when the school closed. She was stuck in the dorm with the food she had put away for emergencies. Not all of her dormmates had food though. Stuff you could eat cold if yoh had to, like spaghetti os, granola bars, protein bars, etc.

  23. MD:

    Have you got a high resolution copy of the picture? I’d love to have that one for my “wall of shame”.

  24. Chuck Findlay says:

    Start canning butter, it’s easy to do and it locks your butter cost in at today’s prices. I can butter in the small jars as they are just about the right size.

  25. If you are concerned about people asking questions when you are buying bulk supplies, try these:

    #1. I tell them by shopping sales and “eating out of my pantry” I have cut out food bill by 30-45% (true). (I just don’t tell them how large my pantry really is.)

    #2. “We have a group camp site and we are taking a bunch of teens with us” (usually when stocking up on oatmeal and pasta). (10% truth, and we do have the teens, they do eat a lot.)

    If it has to do with ammunition/reloading supplies, the truth works better. “I don’t have a “day job” so I’m the one out shopping and keeping 4 families with kids supplied.” Usually stops them quickly. (about 90% true, but I like to reserve the “best” for myself ;-0 )

    These usually work quickly, mostly because they are believable and short answers. If someone wants to know more, I’ll try to set up a time to go somewhere and have coffee to talk about it. So far, the conversations have been short ones, even from the local clerks.

  26. Worrisome says:

    This conversation started with a lil prairie dog or something praying. I have had that same conversation with God on more than one occasion. My answer from Him was to go on my path, with all honest effort. Help myself, help my family, stay in touch with Him and trust him. And I have. I don’t ignore or walk by those in need as long as I am not sacrificing my own in any way. My own include family and friends who are as equally productive as we are. We give charitably to the church as any need arises that we can fill. When I see a need that I can do, I do it with a giving heart and don’t keep score. When the churches in my town were collecting for the homeless I was there with the charity buckets I had set up. With old sheets, blankets, canned goods, etc. when I found about the lady and her boys camping out in a state park because her hubby had died and she had lost her home, I was able to help and really didn’t give much thought except I knew I could trust God to help me put together a plan. When I helped neighbors, it was because I could and I wanted to. I have learned to trust my gut…my intuition to help those that will be able to use it and then go on to help others..that trust comes from a God. I also don’t agonize over trying to save everyone I encounter I know I can’t and in most cases my heart and my gut and my God puts me in a happy place so that I know this is one that I can do. For those that I can’t help, it is because there is a negativity to the situation that I just know that no matter what I did, it would never be enough. Those, I just pray and leave them in God’s hands, for his lessons and accept that His plan for them could involve some harsh judgements that may include pain, hunger, death because they weren’t willing to accept where things are theses days and ask for the help and strength necessary to get ready. I don’t ever share my level of prep or our readiness with anyone, except here…here, because we are all trying, I am pretty comfortable asking questions and giving answers. In some ways, no matter what, we are equal and must make decisions for ourselves. Individual responsibility is their own choice…and if not ready, they will have to live with their choices.

    • What do you put in the charity buckets? Do you use 5 gallon buckets?

      • worrisome says:

        I start with a 5 gallon food grade bucket. I collect “stuff” as I go and do this once a year or so……or did until I moved, now I will have to see how it works out. Anyway, here is a general list of what goes in them

        Guest Size Soap, Toothbrushes, Toothpaste & Shampoo.
        Cheap wash clothes and towels (2)
        A small bottle of aspirin & small tube of antibiotic cream
        A couple of pair of cotton tube socks
        A couple of cans of beef stew or chili
        Some paper plates, plastic utensils and a cheap steak knife
        A cheap can opener
        A cheap pan to cook with
        Some dehydrated just add water meals
        A couple of army ration meals
        Matches and/or a cigarette lighter
        Some plastic bags usually a trash size or two, plus some baggies
        A small notepad and a pen
        If I have had access to any cheap flashlites I pop one of them in as well.
        Some hard candy, small bags of nuts, and a couple of boxes or small cans of juice.
        If I have them, I also put in small bottles of vitamins.
        From then on, it is whatever I have that I think will fit until they are full, games, playing cards…………..and they always get topped off with a New Testament.

        Jeanne, I never give them away myself, that would be breaking opsec. I take them to a church or another charity and let them decide who needs them.

        • Thanks for this! I think I could do something like this, and further, I like keeping hands off too.

          • Worrisome says:

            In the past I always put a small bag of beans and another of rice, but now, since I have moved not sure that I will continue that part have to wait and see what the deals are and here

        • worrisome
          Do you remember a member used back packets for the same thing. I believe it was Mama J, who does not post any more. Most likely she is busy as ever up in the mountains with her troupe of girl scouts. Miss her special analogy of self reliance.

    • Lauri no e says:


      Very well read. I feel and do the same as you, go by my heavenly Father’s lead. Still quiet voice.

  27. If I begin a conversation with someone about prepping, like Penrod, I ask about “emergency supplies.” Down here in Dixie, we might need our emergency supplies for a tornado, effects of hurricane (although we are 4.5 hrs from gulf) or an ice storm. Ice storms usually end up with everyone homebound and in the dark for a couple of days. One nice thing is that we now have a tax-free weekend in the spring for emergency supplies: generators, tarps, duct tape, etc. That is a good time to speak with friends and neighbors about the basics. Some listen, some don’t. A couple of times I have given water to neighbors for various reasons, and ai have noticed that those neighbors now keep a supply on hand, although not large. It has helped our neighborhood to store water that the road construction crew has cut the water main 5 times in the last 9 months. When that happens, we are usually without water for 4 to 6 hours. Not enough to really be a pain, just enough that I am grateful for my drinking water stores and my flushing water stores 🙂

  28. Hi Susy, I think you are on a good track: People who don’t prep at all get weirded out by people who talk about having months of supplies, but they can accept others who prep for short term emergencies like ice storms, blizzards, hurricanes, and earthquakes.

    Getting people started first requires not scaring them off, just getting them thinking that maybe they should make some modest preparations for common emergencies.

    If they see us as pretty normal, pretty rational people (like they see themselves), they are a lot more likely to think that “Gee, s/he’s normal, and s/he has water, food, flashlights, etc. Maybe I should/could too.”

    If their first impression is “Holy Toledo, this one is barking moonbat crazy! Please, God, make her move to the next state soon!”, they are not likely to think they should emulate us.

    In a way, it is marketing. We have to figure out what appeals to potential ‘customers’, and what turns them off.

    Being prepared for blackouts or earthquakes appeals. Preparing for TEOTWAWKI just scares them: it is too far outside the norm for them.

  29. Texanadian says:

    Something useful

  30. I don’t mention preparing for any crisis to anyone except places like this. I often think that people I see often are not self aware. They love the tyrant and their entitlements, don’t want the truth, and put me aside as a kook. Its a waste of time and may endanger my preps. I’d rather put my efforts to places such as this.

  31. Joecardio says:

    Hi Folks,
    I don’t mention being a “prepper” to anyone or even use that term. In me and my wives circle of friends, we are the only ones that I know have a pantry or even have containers stored with water, not including our pool for flushing the toilets., but each of our friends have different equipment and resources, and vehicles available and do help “each other” when the shtf in the past. Thats not saying I’d dole out Sunday dinners for everyone next time the shtf, but we do have a common sense of community with each other even under hard times. I’ve attempted to set the hook, but none ever bites for a serious conversation so I don’t cast too aggressively. But when we go hunting, camping or are just driving around, I’m the one they joke about having a chain say in my backpack or bag. “He carries just about everything in there. Its funny, but they know Im prepared the best I can be right no. Each day gets better. My pantry is a secret, but I wish my friends would start too so in the next SHTF scenario, we can all have this taken care of so instead of them having to worry about food and water, we could all know that each of us is taken care of and we can work on the bigger projects together knowing all of us are ok.

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