Friday Poll: How much ammo is necessary?

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  1. OregonMike says:

    Bought 2 cases (10k rnds) of 22lr at an auction last year and have no plans to add to the 22 total. I expect most will be for the Sig 522 (AR22) or Ruger 10/22). I consider my 1k of .223 is minimal, especially if we end up working together to defend our communities. My real shortage is .40 cal for my Hi-point carbine. My prep money, like many others, has priorities and right now it’s lighting, communications and food base. After I’m comfortable with those, it’s back on top of the list. Handgun ammo is far less on hand but I see the long gun as more important.

  2. ozhillbilly says:

    My vote is you can’t have enough ammunition. I have over 5,000 rounds of 22 caliber alone. Wish I had more. I’ve also concentrated my weapon choices on common NATO calibers. I don’t think anyone will argue that ammunition will be a commodity in a SHTF scenario.

  3. MD,
    Depends on the caliber,weapon,it’s use,etc. 200-300 rounds for hunting may be enough per caliber,for practice,sighting in and actual hunting.2000-3000 may be ok for 22LR, to use for hunting,plinking and vermin control.Defensive weopons will require much more for practice and it goes quick when engaging the foe.But in reality too much is never enough.Always better to have more than you need,for trade or to sell, or in case some of your supply is stolen/seized or destroyed.
    I don’t know what a limit even should be total number of rounds,certain number of each caliber,a specific amount per gun? I know..how ’bout we just follow the constitution and let the people decide what is right for themselves.

  4. Anothermom says:

    So. who determines how much is enough?
    (Notice I did not say how much is too much)

  5. You were talking minimum per gun, right?

  6. This seems a pretty nonsensical poll without some perimeters.
    A lot of responses seem to be focusing on how much is enough if you can never get any more – which makes about as much sense as asking, “how much food is enough if you can never replace what you’ve used?” Or how much water is enough?
    Obviously, if you are in a situation where there is no way to replenish your stock of whatever you feel you need, and that stock is not perishable, then you store as much as you possibly can and work on possible substitutions for when your supply runs out.
    Practically though, I would recommend 500 rounds of shotgun ammo (various configurations), 500 handgun rounds, 1,000 rounds for your main rifle, and 2,000 .22 rimfire rounds. Keeping that much ALWAYS is stock will see you through most any scenario.

  7. Remember , we may be inadvertently called upon to help arm the resistance if it gets down to that . People like us that are doing this now , may help shape Americas future when those that did not do this , see the light , or are forced to make the painful choice in any civil war and resist .

  8. All great tips, Brothers and Sisters. You and you alone know how much is enough. Enough to “get the job done!”

    We are not a nation of European socialist wimps. Freedom courses through our very veins.

    Let us all call to mind:

    our brothers, fathers, uncles, grandfathers and great-grandfathers fought, spilled their blood and died for our Constitution. It and the Holy Bible are our sacred documents. They need to be affirmed. Our 2nd Amendment is close to our hearts.

    May all of our ammunition, hopes, aspirations and freedoms be for the American Way–truth and justice! GOD CONTINUE TO KEEP AND BLESS THESE UNITED STATES! So help us GOD!

  9. I recall reading some years ago that you should have 10,000 rounds for each caliber weapon you have. I believe I read it at standeyo.com, but I could be mistaken.
    I don’t think you can have too much, especially nowadays.

  10. I have a question for the Pack: What is the best way to store ammo? I recently purchased some 50 cal. ammo cans. Do I need moisture absorber thingies as well?

    • Surviving in Ky. says:

      Bam Bam, After much research and questions, you do need desiccant packets in the ammo cans. They will tell on the packet how much they cover. I just received some from Amazon. Don’t put O2 obsorbers in there as it is hard on ammo. I believe it has something to do with pulling the oxygen out and the ammo unable to burn when ignited, just what I’ve picked up on. Plan on squirreling mine away soon now that I have the packets. Hope it helps.

    • Bam Bam:

      I like military ammo cans. I don’t have the moisture problem that you guys do so desiccant packs are always good. I personally like the 30 cal ones as they don’t weigh as much as the 50’s when full. Usually I can get 1,000 loose 9mm in a 30 cal and the Federal 5.56×45 has 420 rounds in bandoleers and on stripper clips.

      Boxed ammo usually fits best in 50 cal cans. They don’t hold as much then (I think I have 20 boxes of 9mm in one, but they do get heavy.

      • BamBam; I have a problem with storing “loose” ammo in metal cans. I found that even in the painted can, the metal/metal contact can cause corrosion (?polarity?). (Rare but it does happen). Also, I have weight issues. Even 500 rnds of 9mm is getting to be a load. And again, for me, I rarely have enough of one lot, or at least brand in any bullet without mixing. Due to loading variences I’m reluctant to do that.
        The plastic cans on the market seem OK, are lighter and there’s no metal contact. The 50 cal size is more common but I’ve seen 30s.

        • EthanP,

          That’s what I was thinking–I feel safer leaving the ammo in the original box and putting the whole box in the ammo can.

      • JP,

        I ordered the 50 cal. military ammo cans. (If you order Federal ammo from Cabelas, they sent you the ammo can for just a few extra bucks.) I kept the ammo in the original boxes.

    • If the rubber gasket is present and in good shape moisture should not be a problem. A dessicant pack would be a comforting piece of cheap insurance but not really required.

      • Ron,

        Thanks for the information. I just ordered some dessicant packs–just to be on the safe side.

  11. Surviving in Ky. says:

    Hello Pack, The answer depends on what you are comfortable with. Personally, if you have what is referred to as a “battle rifle”, I would not feel good with anything less than 3,000 rounds per rifle. Pistol ammunition is less in that of 2,500 rounds per caliber. Then you have to add in shot gun, rim fire and center fire rifles. I’m still struggling with how much to keep on hand of these type rounds. The fewer different calibers you have, the better off you are in the decision. I enjoy different shooting sports so my decision is made more difficult. I also feel in a collapse situation, ammo will be a great barter item which should not be overlooked by those prepping for such events. The venerable .22 with quickly become indispensable. Currently in my neck of the woods, there is no .22 ammo for sale within 50 miles of my home; I know because I’ve looked. This within 2 weeks of the tragedy in Newtown. Even if you only own a couple of guns, you need to think about this now!! In a collapse it will dissappear even quicker. There are a few .38, .357, .45 acp, 10 mm and .44 mag. Now I will cover what else is gone off of the shelves; 9 mm, .223, .270,
    .243. I will definately think about this going forward concerning my preps. I am fortunate I listened to 2 close friends along with those I consider friends in spirit on this site about gun peps over the last 2 years and those are M.D., jarhead 03, riverrider, tinfoilhat and bctruck. I have listened about ammo, training, parts and numerous other areas and have improved my preps. I sincerely thank M.D. and others for their help and pray we come out of the dark days our country is witnessing. God Bless!

    • During WW2, Both the Polish and Jewish undergrounds found pistols almost useless in the fighting in Warsaw. I suspect that we would all find handguns largely last ditch personal defence. So none of us are likely to need all that much compared to rifle and shotgun. So I’m guessing that 500 rounds per gun plenty. 500 for each hunting rifle (unless it’s also a primary defence weapon.) 500+ for each shotgun. (They are heavy and bulky). 2,000 per for a combat rifle. And (these are my personal opinions) a minimum of 1,000 hand gun/1,000 shotgun/5,000 rifle TOTAL. Even if you only have one of each.
      For .22LR, 20,000 rounds is not too much. You should have RF conversions for as many guns as possible. There are many types of small game you can take with it. You can also shoot roosting birds with it. (If you’re starving, F&G rules don’t count). And they’re quiet. And you always need to practice. And if you’re going to barter ammo, .22 is probably best.
      You might also consider stocking some common cals such as 30/30 (which is probably still available) for barter.
      If you or anyone disagrees, please let me know, and why I’m wrong.

      • Both the Polish and Jewish undergrounds found pistols almost useless in the fighting in Warsaw.
        That was probably true but the situation was entirely different in France a few years later.

  12. Rob in Ontario says:

    I have 1500 rounds of 7.62×39 for 2 rifles – 3 deer rifles with under 100 rounds each one is 30.06 other two are odd ball calibers and about 3500 rounds of .22– 12ga is only shotgun I have and have 100 BB and 25 of buck and slug – then various amounts of other sizes of shot. I know I need to add to all

  13. you can have all the guns and gold in the world but with no ammo you have an expensive club and soon will have no gold. you have tremendous bartering leverage also with ammo. look at ammo shortage now and the SHHTF yet. whats it going to be like if it does?

    • You might consider popular calibers, even if you don’t use them.
      There may be 10,000,000 30/30s out there, as an example.
      And their probably still in stock.

  14. Backwoods Prepper says:

    I think people are reading to much into the question. My answer was 5000. Why?
    .270 100 rds want 200
    5.56 2000 rds I’m good
    5.45 1750 rds I want another 500 atleast
    .30 carbine 300 rds It’s a spare probably want buy anymore.
    .22 1100 rds I’m good
    12 ga 100nrds 00 and 250 misc. need a few more of both
    .50 black powder 75 rds need a few more
    As you see I have over 5000 and need probably another thousand.

  15. I checked 1,000 rounds per gun as necessary right now. Another time it would be more, but I don’t expect to take down 1,000 deer and 1,000 enemy/criminals trying to kill me at this time.

  16. ozhillbilly says:

    My neighbor called me first thing this morning and told me Wally World had 100 count 9mm ball Federals in stock and asked me if I wanted any. I told him no. After a while I got to thinking maybe I better stop by and grab a few boxes. I went to the store I usually patronize and they had four boxes left. There was one fellow ahead of me and he asked for one box. After he said that I spoke over his shoulder and told the clerk I would take the other three. The other guy asked if he could have two instead of one and I said, sure. I ended up getting two boxes. After that I went to Academy’s. They had no common ammunition at all, just empty shelves. There were three guys at the gun counter filling out forms for the background checks. The weapons they still had around were sparse. I talked to one of the sales people as I was interested in a Glock 19 or 26. He said there isn’t a Glock for sale in town that he knew of. He said the little bit of ammunition there were getting in went out as fast as they put it on the shelf. After Academy I went to a small gun shop where I had previously done business. They had some weapons in the racks but I heard the salesman tell someone they were mostly consignments. I watched a fellow buy an AK for $1,200.00. My next stop was my favorite Army Surplus store. I didn’t get to see my buddy that owns the place but talked to his right hand man. Seems they swap off setting up at gun shows and this weekend was the owners turn. Anyway, the guy told me he did a show in Kansas last weekend and they had quite a number of law enforcement there. As I understood it, they were on duty and mostly at the entrance. The way he expressed it was more of a show than anything else. There were no problems, just wanted to make their presence known I guess. He said the show was crazy. All four of the places I stopped at today were busy with people looking for ammunition and/or weapons. Thought the Wolf Pack would like an update about what’s going on in the Midwest part of the country.

    • Judy, another one says:

      I’ve never been to a gun show in Kansas that didn’t have LE at the door. They are checking guns go into the building to make sure they are unloaded.

      • ozhillbilly says:

        Yes, they always have a few at the door to check the weapons, etc. As I understood the fellow, these were in addition and were physically outside the building entrance? Our area is having a show next weekend and I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Fire Marshall there as I expect it to be crazy with people.

  17. Went by a couple of places today.
    The local Bass Pro was completely out of 9 mm, .223, or 22LR but had lots and lots of 30-06, 40 cal and 243. I’m taking that to mean there won’t be many of those around in case I were to be looking for them after SHTF.

    I stopped by the local Wal-Mart and they had three boxes of 9 mm, of which they only let me buy two. They did have a few boxes of odd calibers that I’ve never paid any attention to before (25 and etc).

    Both places had quite a few boxes of shotgun shells (both shot and slug), Bass Pro had some 28 ga that I’d never noticed before.

    Maybe I need to consider picking up another shotgun or two, but then maybe the thought is that nothing will change with shotguns or shotgun ammo.

    Just wanted to give anyone interested in the Extreme East Tennessee inventory an idea of what things were looking like.

  18. Warmongerel says:

    Kind of off topic, but I’m looking for some advice.

    I just bought a Sig Sauer P250 compact in .40S&W. For about $750 I could buy the slide/barrel exchange kits to enable this thing to shoot any common handgun ammo (9mm, .357SIG or .45ACP).

    On the one hand, that $750 could add quite a bit of .40S&W to the stockpile.

    On the other hand, having one gun that can shoot almost any common handgun round could be incredibly useful after TSHTF.

    Kind of torn here. Any advice?

    • Warmongrel,
      “For about $750 I could buy the slide/barrel exchange kits to enable this thing to shoot any common handgun ammo (9mm, .357SIG or .45ACP)”.
      Common now but after TSHTF? Maybe. Maybe not. Are you a betting man?
      I figure it this way, IF that ammo is readily available then the firearm that shoots it will also be.

      • Warmongerel says:

        Ron, the way I see it, if you have a 9mm with no ammo and you come across some .45ACP rounds, you still have nothing but a club and some .45 rounds that you can throw at people.

        If you have the .45 slide, you can swap it out and use that ammo.

        After TSHTF, I doubt any weapon will be readily available. People aren’t going to want to part with them – but they may be willing to part with some of their ammo for a price.

        Having said that, I’m torn between stocking up on .40 or getting one or more of the other slides.

        • As I understand it 40 cal is the most common round used by LEO in the US. I imagine picking the aftermath of a battle there would be more 40 than 45. But I could be wrong. And I hope we never have the need to find out.

    • Warmongerel:

      FYI. The 40 S&W and the 357 SiG use the same basic brass. The 357 is a necked down 40. You should only need a 357 SiG barrel for your P250 vs. a complete slide assy. Should save you a couple bucks.

      • Warmongerel says:

        Thanks, JP.

        That’s another advantage of this thing: the mags hold both .40 & .357 rounds. No need for separate mags. Not sure if other handguns do this – all of my other ones are oddballs.

        And I can probably just get a .357 barrel, but with the slide assembly, I can swap calibers in under 30 seconds. Probably never have to do it that fast, but it’s a nice feature. And, at about $250, the slide isn’t terribly expensive compared to buying a whole new gun.

  19. With good HP bullets, I doubt there is much advantage in calibers over 9×19. That said, If you’re concern is ammo supply, what could be more useful than a SIG250. And when they make a 22 conversion?