Friday Poll: Which is a better investement?



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  1. Vacuum-packed food, carefully hidden

  2. Mystery Guest says:

    I voted for guns and ammo.
    I do not have the ability to purchase land.
    But guns and ammo you can use no matter where you are living, walking or bugging out.
    I think food is one that is important for those that have no money for anything else. Food will keep you going until you can figure out what to do with all of your plans you have laid out or give you time to plan what would be best.

  3. What good does it do for a man to gain the whole world, but lose his soul? Naked I was born into this world and naked I will depart from it.

    • I did not see your post before I made mine. Your post is what was on my mind, although a little shorter.

    • Backwoods Prepper says:

      Well my motto is kind of the same I come into this world naked screaming and covered in someone elses blood I intend on going out that way :)

    • Encourager says:

      +1, Ghost

      • Sw't Tater says:

        1+, salvation, ammo, food. As long as I have the first, the rest is irrevelant. ammo would enable food and other necessities.

    • If I was a Christian I’d have to worry about that also. :)

  4. riverrider says:

    food!

  5. My vote is “Other”. I think because I did not have that good a sleep last night and I got out of bed way too early. This morning I am feeling thusly(is that a word?)… It doesn’t matter how much gold/silver one has, it doesn’t matter how many guns or how much ammo one has. It doesn’t matter how much land one has to store all this stuff or to fortify the home. It surely doesn’t matter how many Federal Reserve Notes one has. None of it matters! Is it all good to have? Does it make us feel better, more macho? Does it make us feel like we are better than the man down the street that has no clue about anything, although he may have multiple college degrees? Well, maybe it all does, but does that really matter?
    There’s only one thing that matters, our relationship with God! Once that is established and nurtured on a daily basis then we have all we need.
    Ok, I feel better now.

  6. An all powerful government is being set up under our noses.

    Any material possession above can be taken away by the government.

  7. wonderprepper says:

    I picked other. I feel stored food, water, and seeds will be most important. I also rank soap high on my list. Almost forgot knowledge. Second land and guns and ammo. Last gold or silver. God will be with me on every step he is always the most important i always want him there.

  8. All of these things are important but I chose land, we all need a place to live no sense in wasting money every month on rent. You will always need land to live on ,to feed yourself, to run a business. Land will most likely increase in value, but even if it doesn’t you still have a place to live.
    Guns are next, their value is in their usefulness, can’t throw gold or silver coins at a deer or an intruder.
    In terms of monetary value silver has increased at a higher rate than gold, but both will continue to rise.
    Reserve notes? The government is already $16,731,361,468,638 in debt. The federal reserve is printing $1,020,000,000 every year.

  9. Of course, there is no single “which is a better answer.” Apples, oranges and banana comparison. Each play a role. Unrealistic to prioritize this way. But I get it. It’s just a survey, and it’s regarding LONG-TERM investment. At least you have an “other” option. That covers the food category, which should include stored and skills. Shelter. Water. Food. I’d say land, but it’s going to be taxed into oblivion and could be lost for a number of reasons. Guns and ammo, again, can be banned and while there could be a live black market they are a valuable target. What you need with spares and tradables is a good place to start, but wouldn’t put my eggs in that arms-dealer basket exclusively. Gold and silver are good, but long term I think they could be very difficult to convert back to tangibles when needed, and I have higher priorities to square away before I go much farther down that road. Hence, I go with “other,” which to me means the means and skills to match your potential circumstance when the societal structures fall away. Everything in moderation (even moderation).

    • PrepPhoenix says:

      I like to call it my 4G network: God, Groceries, Guns, and Gas. The first is the most important, the latter Gs are what will be valuable in a SHTF situation.

  10. Can’t help but agree that our relationship to God is the most important preparation we can take.

    But to make any kind of statement that this relationship is ‘all we need’ is missing the whole issue- consider the bridesmaids. God wants us prepared physically as well as spiritually. Consider Israel and Egypt and famine. God wants us prepared and ready and willing to share our preps. Consider Christ’s admonition that, ‘they who will not protect their household has denied the faith and is worse than a non-believer’.
    Get your ‘house’hold in order- it’s the only one you can save, either physically or spiritually. Then you can help others save others.

    As for preparations- which is a better investment?

    God is gracious and good, but, unlike the current political class, He is not an equal distributor of wealth. Ergo, what is a good investment for one may be unreachable for another. Can you afford gold? Or do you have ‘a gold taste on lead budget’? Can you afford a home in the ‘burbs and a home in the country? Or do you have trouble making monthly rent on an apartment?

    Having land is important for food production and privacy. Having gold and silver to buy neccesaries is important. Having guns and ammo to protect oneself and country is important. Having food is important to sustaining life, as is potable water. Having FRNs ‘backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government’ is laughable.

    So all are important to a degree. But the most important provision we can make is ‘Relationships’ with like-minded individuals. Tribe, in other words. A chain of one link is virtually worthless for more than a paper weight. It’s the numerous links that make it what it is: a useful tool.

    My two-bit contribution to the conversation. Still, I voted for guns and ammo. :D

    • I agree, the statement, while being true to a point, doesn’t take into consideration the daily needs of the human body. But like I said I got up way too early and grumpy. I’m allowed to, I’m old! Plus a certain verse was bothering me. I can’t remember the book or chapter and I know it was pertaining more to finances rathering than storing food etc but… About the man who had to build a second barn to store all his food, animals or posessions and he was so proud of himself thinking he’s all set now. The Lord says the fool, this very night his life is taken from him. Anyway I was just thinking, will I be able to use all this stuff I have or will I go to grave before I get the chance. I know, I know, what a huge pity party that is. Plus it’s cold, cloudy and dreary outside.

      • Luke 12:16-20

        And he told them this parable: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded an abundant harvest. 17He thought to himself, ‘What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops.’

        18“Then he said, ‘This is what I’ll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store my surplus grain. 19And I’ll say to myself, “You have plenty of grain laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.” ’

        20“But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’

        21“This is how it will be with whoever stores up things for themselves but is not rich toward God.”

        I don’t think the verse is saying that one should not be prudent, but rather love God first and richly and don’t make an idol of stuff. Its followed by the admonition against worrying too so to me its about trusting God not worldly stuff.

    • I’m curious, JSW. What version Bible do you use? I’m reading through your references, and can’t make the connections, particularly for your Jesus quote. Could you provide chapter and verse?

      • aka — the quote is a tad bit off from the usual Bible translation which may be throwing you off and it is Paul writing to Timothy rather than Jesus himself speaking. 1 Timothy 5:8 and its generally translated as “provide for” rather than “protect” — though there may be a version that uses protect, I don’t know:

        “Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.” NIV

        JSW also references the parable of the Ten Virgins/Bridesmaids, Matthew 25 1-13 and generally Joseph and Pharaoh and Pharaoh’s dreams of coming famine from Genesis.

        Though JSW, if you read this part, do you read the Ten Bridesmaids as talking about some sort of physical preparation rather than spiritual? Oil is usually symbolic of the Holy Spirit in the BIble so I read it as talking about faith and the Holy Spirit.
        Thomas

        • WYO Ryder says:

          A prudent person foresees the danger ahead and takes precautions. The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.” ~Proverbs 27:12 (KJV)

        • Thomas, I take the Bridemaid story both literally and figuratively: be prepared, both physically and spiritually. The bridesmaids should have been prepared, as were the others, and missed the physical feast, as those who are not walking with Jesus (and the Holy Spirit) will miss the feast in our true home upon our transfiguration. (We can get into a long and tedious discussion about that, too- it’s a wide open field of study and thought that I’ve only begun to investigate.)

          The versions I read are KJV, NKJV, AS, NAS, RSV, NIV, among the many. My favorite is KJV, but the type is so small (in my printing) I tend to not read it as much these days. However, I tend to lean upon Ryrie’s and Van Impe’s studies for a lot of ‘translation’ information. (I tried studying Greek once… it was all Greek to me… we won’t even discuss Latin…)

          The ‘protect’ one’s household is a loose translation of all I’ve read, but in actuality, is synonymous with ‘provide’- one must be willing to protect in providing, so I’ll accept any challenges on it. Yes, it is Paul writing- but here again, I take a pretty narrow view of Scriptures: ‘All Scripture is inspired of God and worthy for study’. Eo ipso: God said it, that settles it, regardless which Apostle or prohpet wrote it. (I use the analogy of the prophets and apostles as being a lawyer’s secretaries: he speaks, they transcribe, and it still has the force of law even if the lawyer didn’t do the typing.) So I will often say, “Jesus said…” though it was written by His disciple. Ditto on the OT: God said it, that settles it, whether you believe it or not- God isn’t going to discuss it with you when you won’t believe Him here. (By Faith we are saved.)

          Hopefully, this answers a few of your questions. To summarize my idea of the Scriptures, “If you ain’t praising God and rejoicing in all things, walking in the Spirit and filled with Faith, Hope and Love- mostly Love- you ain’t having a good day.”

          • JSW — Thanks, I hadn’t thought about the Bridesmaids being literal. Interesting point.

            And I understand about the protect and attirbution, I was suspecting that aka couldn’t find the verse based upon those points. I was not criticizing.

            And as to your last point — Praise the Lord and I agree.

  11. Guns over butter baaaby!

    • Sometimes guns need butter. Case in point: a youth group was at the range and one of their new and improved rifles siezed tight as a nut and bolt.. I used some butter from the clubhouse to lubricate the parts and get it working again. (Amazing no one had any WD40 or other lube around at all- which I remedied by keeping a can in my shooting bag now.)

  12. Petticoat Prepper says:

    I voted land too. Food/seeds would be next on my list. I would have also marked guns/ammo for use as needed. I look at PM as a way to pay taxes on above land. Seems to me there were familes that lost homes after the civil war due to high taxes.

    Of course having the Good Lord on my side would be my fail safe to all of the above.

  13. Hunker-Down says:

    I voted for “other”.

    The tool I desire the most is one that I do not have; that is, to read the hearts of men.
    In todays society I am insulated from the naked need to immediately identify friend or foe, harm or safety. After TSHTF it will be critical.

    IF I had that ability, then having all the other options in balance would be a good thing.

    • The heart of man is on sin continually.

      Be friendly to all, trust no one, and have a plan to kill every one who confronts you.

      Not very ‘charitable’, but will be a facet of our lives in the not-too-distant future.

      And watch the hands and eyes and feet. Hands kill, eyes will possibly give you warning, and feet will advance in attack.

      • Thomas T. Tinker says:

        OWwww JSW… U.. is nasty! and as I have been trained, so very right. O.D.E. = observe. detect. engage or evade. The good Lord gave us life and the free will and stewardship over it. If She had ment we were to stand and deliver it to another …. we would have been hatched a fish.

        • “…If She…”
          If God was a ‘she’ He couldn’t be a Father. Too, if God was a ‘she’ He wouldn’t have had a woman bear His son. If God was a ‘she’, then we could have a mother earth or mother gaia. As it is, God is a father, therefore, He is not a ‘she’, as attested by Jesus many times by His statements about His Father.
          However, I do admit that ‘in heaven, there is neither male nor female’- but that does not mean he condones homosexuality; and ‘neither are we given in marriage’, but that does not condone ‘significant others’ outside marriage.

          I take the Bible litterally as well as spirituallly, and seriously doubt any who think Jesus is a wimpy little caricature that is coming to bring peace and fun and games when by His own admission that he comes not to bring peace, but a sword. And He certainly meant for us to stand and deliver or He’d not have told us to gather a sword before going into the world and preaching the Gospel to ALL Creation- for even the very stones will cry out His glory if we are to shut our mouths. And all of Creation groans, awaiting the great and glorious day of our Lord- who is a He.

          • Remember the Bible (at least yours new testament) was written by Men who had a big agenda. And as we all know man get things wrong more time then not. Believe in the old testament from the chosen people of god.

  14. axelsteve says:

    I voted land. Without it you are a refugee or some kid of serf. Land as far as a bol.

  15. Mother Earth says:

    I voted land, paid for of course! That way I can grow food, live there and bury any valuables like guns, ammo and silver.

    • It’s never “paid for”…. you will owe on that land for as long as you live. If you don’t pay the taxes they will take it away from you. It is never truly yours. :(

      • axelsteve says:

        True SW however, I doubt that if you have it paid off I doubt the state would repo it for taxes after shtf.

        • Mother Earth says:

          That’s what I’m hoping for Axelsteve! Ans SW, nothing irks me more than property tax. I don’t believe the have the right to tax property that’s bought and paid for!

          • The ‘thing’ about property taxes that irk me all to heck is that a non-property owner has as much to say about how my property taxes are used as I do. And there are a LOT more of them than property owners!

            And that is a discussion for another day.

      • SW
        Many areas don’t use real estate taxes, besides in the apocalypse there probably won’t be tax collectors. Regardless of where you live you need to live somewhere.

  16. PGCPrepper says:

    Land. You can provide you and yours food from land. Give a man a fish; feed for a day. Teach a man to fish; feed him for a lifetime…or something like that. Moreover, apart from the old axiom that they ain’t making anymore land and the potential investment aspect of it, land has many other prospective resources to include water maybe or a protective enclave.

  17. My actual prep priority is:

    Food (not on the list)
    Guns & Ammo
    BOV & Trailer (not on the list)
    Silver
    Gold

    Land is the one I voted for because it is still my #1 priority. I did the above until I could move, debt being the biggest issue, then locating what we wanted. We are still fleshing out what we want it to look like and where we want to move to. I still like it up here, so it will be somewhere in western Montana, just not sure where.

  18. Of the selections, I would say Land is the best long-term investment.

    With land, you can become a hunter/gatherer if necessary and have a place to stay.

    Precious Metals will hold their value longer than any Fiat Currency, like Federal Reserve Notes.

    Guns and ammo, while valuable at this time, if tptb have their ways, those might not be available and may be confiscated; and no one can say it will never happen… history does repeat itself. If it has happened in the past, it can happen again. Yes there will be resistance, and yes, people will die for their beliefs, but it CAN happen.

    I could also have selected “Other” and chose food, but food does not always store well for ‘long-term.’

    When food is limited you could spend all your precious metals, trade all your guns and ammo, all for food until you have no more PMs or G&A… with land, you have the ability to grow food, and hunt game that is on your land… during times of urgency and survival no one cares about ‘hunting season’, as any time you need it, that is the season.

  19. PGCPrepper says:

    Maybe I could change my vote and go with guns and ammo though as I keep getting fed this BS.

    http://www.infowars.com/big-sis-refuses-to-answer-congress-on-ammo-purchases/

  20. Big moose says:

    Without guns and ammo you will never keep your land. Though the truly best investment is in people who will watch you back.

  21. I chose Land. It has the best for investment and what it produces, now and in the future.
    Land offers soil for raising food.
    Land carries water in streams or underground wells.
    Land offers a solid foundation to build a home.
    Land offers graising for livestock.
    Land offers wild foods to your pallet, and wild game to your table.
    Land offers timber, a renuable source of building material, fuel for cooking and heat.
    Land offers minerals, other precious metals, and gravel/sand.

  22. First, some comments on the poll itself. Perhaps a different way to ask the question would be to rank the options, and see what the weighted average would be from the responses. As I do not have a lot of experience with websites and blogs, I do not know how hard or easy that is to do.

    Additionally, I am guessing the “Other” option was the author’s catch all so that the list did not get too long. Asking the question with a finite number of answers would require the actual choice of an alternative, even if it was not the one we would actually choose as “most important”.

    If the poll would have been constructed in that fashion, I would have chosen land.

    But as the “Other” option IS available, I selected that.

    So what in my opinion is the best investment? I have two others that are different and hard to rate as 1 and 2.

    Put to the test, I would say that the best investment is in Knowledge, because without knowing what to do with what you have all of the land or seeds or guns and ammo are nothing more than things that at best we might be able to trade for something. I am not going to elaborate, this is my answer to the question.

    But the second most important investment for me is a reliable water source. Without that, land and seeds are not going to help. I have taken a leap of faith in that abiding by the “Rule of Three’s” that I am assuming the first two (air and shelter) are taken care of.

    Perhaps I should amend my answers. The “Rule of Three’s” is pretty hard to ignore.

    To paraphrase, we cannot do without

    Air for 3 minutes
    Shelter for 3 hours
    Water for 3 days
    Food for 3 weeks

    Thanks for listening
    OD

  23. Harmony Hermit says:

    Buy land…they’re not making any more.

    (Mark Twain I think)

  24. michael c says:

    Knowledge is always the best “long term” investment. No one can take it away from you and it always increases.

    If you don’t know how to shoot a gun – guns are worthless.

    If you don’t know how to cook – food is worthless.

    If you don’t know the market – gold and silver are worthless.

    If you don’t know how to garden – seeds are worthless.

    If you don’t know how to survive – your life could be worthless.

    If you don’t know God – your soul could be worthless.

    Knowledge is power.

    • Excellent conclusion. However, it can also be looked at thusly:

      Though I have all knowledge, but no gun- what good is knowing how to use it?
      Though i know how to cook but have no food, what good is knowing how to cook?
      Though I know the market but have no gold or silver, what good is knowing the market?
      If I know how to grow food, but have no seeds, tools, or land, what good is knowing how to grow?
      If I know how to survive, but have nothing to survive with, what good is knowing how to survive?
      If you don’t know God, your soul is worthless. (Of course, some will argue that- but they can’t be atheist if they take offense at it.)

    • How true but the man who welds the gun can obtain knowledge,obtain food, obtain all he wants cause if you don’t have a gun yourself then you’ll be working for the man who does.

  25. I voted guns and ammo but my 2nd choice is other (meaning food and seeds). I have a feeling land will not be as big an issue if there is a considerable “de-population”. Precious metals may have value to be more comfortable (securing luxury items), but if we have an event that destroys the power grid, I think security and food sources will be the keys to survival.

  26. I am never disappointed by the wisdom of the people on this site, as well as it’s founder. I’m sure that my first answer was not what was wanted. I have most of what is on the list. I wish that the good Lord would tell us all which will come out on top.

    I mean no disrespect, but this verse keeps coming to mind, Matt 6:33
    “But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these will shall be added to you”. New Geneva Study Bible.

  27. I voted “other”. I beleive that you need to invest in some of all of your needs as you define them for yourself. There’s a place for everything and having an emphasis on just one or two things may cause hardship in the future, try to stay balanced as best you can with the resources you have available to you. Not everyone’s circumstances are the same nor thier own beliefs.

    I also agree with Old Dog that maybe the better way to ask the question is to rank the choices offered.

    Molon Labe

  28. I believe that we are reaching a point at which the best place to put your money is fungible non-cash assets. I can easily trade ammo for food, medicine, or just about anything else.

    Some of us are old enough to have lived through the double-digit inflation of the 1970′s and 1980′s. Back then you could use your money to buy almost anything – even garden shovels – and six months later sell those shovels for more than you paid for them.

    Keeping your assets in non-cash fungible items also means that they are not in a bank, and not in a form that the government can easily figure out how to tax.

    • Reminds me of the fifties when a bullet for a deer rifle was a prime commodity, and gardens paid for themselves and livestock was like gold at burchering time.

  29. I have my faith in God and I know where I am going when life is done here.
    I voted land because with that you can provide for your family. Guns and ammo are next on my list. I do not have the resources to buy gold or silver and look to other things that I can barter with such as beer, wine or other things that we can make. My DH was in residential constuction and all of my sons grew up in the business. We have a wide knowledge base and are continually adding to that. Having a library is also important so that the next generation can also learn.

  30. WYO Ryder says:

    # 1 A Relationship with God and our Lord Jesus

    #2 Food/water

    #3 Guns and ammo

    If we have no with food, we won’t need guns (we’ll have gone Home) AND there is also the aspect of making some deadly weapons…food/water trumps guns and ammo for me.

    • WYO Ryder says:

      PS I am already VERY blessed living on my land (but just starting to realize the possibilities – I am only a yearling prepper :) with two other ‘boonies’ BOLs and the possibility of going north, south or east to areas we wouldn’t see a soul for weeks (have done this on pack trips).

      Otherwise, Land would of been #2.

      LOVE hearing all that the pack (& MD) has to say and offer – you are all simply the BEST!!

      Semper Christo Fidelis!

    • Pete, the Windy City Viking says:

      Ditto to that, WYO Rider!

  31. ozhillbilly says:

    I voted other. My other would be wisdom. Wisdom is defined as the judicious theory and application of knowledge. Knowledge is the familiarity with someone or something, which include skills, information, etc. acquired through experience or education. These are loose definitions but I believe wisdom trumps knowledge. When I pray to God, often it’s for wisdom. If I had one wish in my life to be granted it would be for wisdom for I believe with wisdom everything else is possible.

  32. Lake Lili says:

    I voted land. Renting – unless it is a long term lease that you can enforce after the SHTF (an good luck on that one) – makes it impossible to feel secure in your preps. Planting an orchard, planting gardens, fixing the house are all things that can quickly become someone else’s should the SHTF and the owner wants it back.

  33. Encourager says:

    I chose land for #1. But then I thought, without God, everything else is worthless or useless. So I choose my relationship with my heavenly Father through His Son, Jesus as #1. Everything else falls into place after that, since He provides for all my needs and satisfies the desires of my heart.

  34. Mark7211 says:

    I voted for land as the best long term investment. But it is only a good investment if you can hold on to it. And that may take guns and ammo.

  35. Water, food and seed. When the SHTF there should be lots of free places to live. The unprepared will not go to the forests. Bow and arrows and sling shot do not rely on ammo. The most important thing will be family or friends and some Jack Daniels to barter with.

  36. KR Prepper says:

    I chose land, because God has only made so much of it. And because the laws of seed and harvest (seasons) won’t cease.

  37. 1) Knowledge of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

    2) Good Health, without which prepping is very difficult.

  38. OregonMike says:

    I voted land. A place to work for self sustainability. A place to house a community of like-minded folks who HAVE the guns and ammo, gold and skills to work for the same self sufficiency. It’s tough to raise chickens for eggs and meat in a nomadic lifestyle.

  39. I voted for guns & ammo. If you have purchased any of these items lately you know what I’m talking about. The price of a used hand gun is almost or if not hte same as a new one used to be and the prices of the new ones have risen dramatically. The same for ammo. You could go to Wally World ( Wal Mart ) and purchase 550 rounds of .22 for $18 and change. Now you would be lucky to get a 100 rds. for the same price. The second thing would be pre 1964 silver coins. They are worth a whole lot more than the coins in your pocket today.

    Keep prepping,
    Vince ( Estote Paratus )

  40. KR Prepper says:

    Adding to mine.. I want to keep my right mind. My grandmothers is deteriorating.

  41. OHHHHH, Give me land, lots of land under starry skies above…don’t fence me in.

  42. All of the people with answers concerning God, Jesus, or whatever other religious ideas are missing the entire point of this poll and really aren’t adding much of anything to the conversation. It’s obvious that this post was fueled by the events in Cyprus and the idea of doing something with your money other than letting it sit in a bank where it can be kept from you. The poll is about monetary investment and it’s best application.

    That being said, the best answer is “it depends.” I like Old Dog’s way of focusing on our basic need for air, shelter, water, and food, in that order. For that reason, I would go with this list:

    Land first. Shelter is key, plus the right land can provide food and water. If you already have land, then…

    Guns and Ammo. Water aside, food comes next. And your life is also pretty high up on the essentials list. Guns and ammo can protect or provide both of these. If you have enough of these, then…

    Gold and Silver. If you have enough land to subsist on, enough guns and ammo to last a zombie apocalypse, and just need a way to hold on to your money, I think everyone here views it a given that gold and silver is better than paper money. If you don’t have enough money for gold and silver, then just securing the money you have is the best option.

    These are all three larger purchases. My list assumes you have enough money for these things, and that if you have enough money you obviously have some food and water already stored and at least a gun or two. If you can’t afford the items on this list and don’t have much extra money, then I think we can all agree that food and water would be the best use of your money until you have a stock that you’re comfortable with. This is a pretty basic prepping fundamental. After food, a basic gun or two with ammo, your typical prepping essentials, followed by the investment list above. This, of course, is a generalized approach and is where my real answer, “it depends,” comes in to play. As with anything, you have to adapt to your particular situation and environment. Blanket answers, approaches, or methods should be used with caution.

    • Encourager says:

      BTH, I have to disagree with you. First off, I would say the majority of those on this blog are Christians, that is why many chose God/Jesus first and foremost. If you are not a Christian, we do not expect you to understand that. To be reminded of what is truly important is a comfort.

      I did not see anything relating to the mess in Cyprus in the poll; that is just your assumption.

      • PGCPrepper says:

        Which is a better long-term investement (sic)

        Land (48%, 159 Votes)
        Guns and Ammo (26%, 84 Votes)
        Silver (11%, 36 Votes)
        Other (11%, 35 Votes)
        Gold (4%, 14 Votes)
        Federal Reserve Notes (0%, 1 Votes)

        I don’t mind the talk of our Lord and Savior but he or she is making the most obvious point anyone should understand.

      • AnnieMac says:

        *If you are not a Christian, we do not expect you to understand that* Seems to me your *assumption* that non Christians or non practicing Christians couldn’t possibly understand your fervor and/or finding comfort in your beliefs is a bit smug and callous. Whatever is important to each individual is that persons(s) right to choose by their moral and/or religious compass. To imply that somehow what non Christians hold dear is less righteous or less correct is a very unChristian-like attitude. IMO.

        • Sw't Tater says:

          Annie,
          You got something entirely different from the above post than I did!
          I took it, as an attempt to include those who have different beliefs, without “downing those persons”, or discounting other peoples beliefs. I don’t believe any was the bad intent you suggest.
          The beliefs each of us hold is integral to each of us. It’s individual. Many of us on this site profess christianity, and we believe this is a short life and we are just passing thru to another . For those who choose another belief, we understand it is your choice. No one insists you change.
          This site is for preparing. We are not here to bash your non-belief, but if we choose to express the many things we prep for, don’t be surprised to get “other” answers.
          I have learned much on this site re: many different things related to all aspects of preparedness. If something I don’t want to study more about comes up, then I just skim the article, to make sure I have not missed info I needed. No need to wear our “heart on a sleeve, begging someone to knock it off”.

          • Sw’t Tater, everything you say makes sense. If you take his/her words as stated, Encourager doesn’t make any accusations. However, the statement that seems to have annoyed AnnieMac does bother me a little. I’ve understood the Christian faith/mindset my entire adult life, regardless of whether I was Christian or not at the time. It doesn’t take a Christian to understand it. If I had a problem with people making comments about God or their faith, I’d be posting every week. That’s not the point of my observation. I’m a very matter of fact person and the point of this poll was very specific. Defaulting to the answer of God doesn’t help the conversation. If everyone here was a Christian and defaulted to that answer, we’d all be stating the obvious and wouldn’t learn anything.

      • Thomas T. Tinker says:

        Hey hey hey … We have sat a broken toast Encourager. Lets us talk about BTH’s motives. The term “investment” was one of the opporative words used in the main question right….. In worldly terms being a Christian… demonstrating ones faith…. keeping ours cost us nothing. You have it and keep live it, or you don’t. On a ‘worldly plain BTH has a valid point of view. If all… we have is our faith, then we will meet our maker all the quicker. If we use the talent given by God, we will prepare as prudence dictates and provide for our own and others. Thusly sayith the Tinker as his ego swellith over. ps… we should hold another breakfast meet up. I’ll head up your way ifn ya care to.

      • I’ve been both, but Christian or not, my opinion doesn’t change. Stating the obvious without adding to the conversation with an answer to the poll is deflecting from the discussion. It’s hardly different from a politician’s answer. I wouldn’t have said anything if people just made a reference to their beliefs or relationship to God, but to make it the entire answer to the question doesn’t actually answer the question.

        As for Cyprus being the influence of the poll, MD posted the poll right after he posted the Friday Miscellany, in which he interjected the following:

        “Lesson for today – don’t keep all your cash in the bank! Hide it, bury it, spend it, invest it in silver and gold, buy land, stock up on survival food and gear. No matter what you do don’t pile it up in the bank! Personally, I don’t want to keep more than $5,000 in government “monopoly money” (federal reserve notes) on hand at any time. It’s just to unstable to be considered an investment or a retirement “nest egg”.”

        It doesn’t take a master of deduction to see what motivated him to post the poll. I think me making the connection is far better than just an assumption. In my opinion, it’s rather obvious, which is why I made that claim in my first post.

        • Thomas T. Tinker says:

          BTH!!!!!!! PLUS 10!!! Have you read what Spain is going to do to it’s ‘depositors’ over the week end? ***Haircut***

      • i am not a Christian I am one of the chosen people of god (who else can say that ?) Most Christian would like to forget that God said to his chosen people ” I am the lord your god who brought you out of Egypt out of the land of slavery You shall have no other god before me. He also spoke of graven images of himself YET Christians would like us to follow this Jesus fellow and pray to a graven image of him on a cross. You guys can write a book , pray to you idols (Mary etc)and man/god BUT the fact remains the book you call the old testament is the only true testament. I don’t expect you to understand that.

        • HomeINsteader says:

          I am a Christian, and most Christians KNOW that His chosen people are the Hebrew children. We are not trying to forget – we study the Old Testament as much as we study the New Testament; you can’t have the whole picture with one, but not the other. I pray someday you’ll understand that.
          We KNOW that we serve the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Most Christians DO NOT worship graven images or pray to Mary; that would be Catholics; while I do know many Catholics who love the Lord, it’s true, they’ve been taught by their leaders to engage in many practices that are not Biblical. On the other hand, many “Christians” have adapted practices not in the Bible. “Easter” (name is pagan in origin) would be a timely example; I prefer to celebrate the “Resurrection”, personally, but, I’m only using that as a timely point, and, no, I do not care to get into a big argument with anyone on the subject.
          You might be surprised how many Christians are beginning to understand that we have been blindsided by such false teachings as “replacement theology”, and are working to restore the Jewishness of the Faith.
          The fact remains that the Old Testament is full of the testimony of the Coming Messiah, Yahushua/Y’eshua/Jesus Christ, beginning with the prophets of old. Yesha’yahu (Isaiah) chapter 53. Mikhah (Micah) 5:1, for starters.
          The Word of G-d is very clear that “Gentiles” (that’s every non-Jew) have been grafted in by denial of the chosen ones (that would be the Jews who rejected Him, although many did not). The Word of Holy G-d is also very clear that the stone which the (Jews) rejected has become OUR cornerstone. We read that salvation is first for the Jew, then for the Gentile: Romans 1:16 Conversely, we read that judgement is first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. Romans 2.

          Psalm 118:22
          The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone.
          Isaiah 28:16
          [ A Cornerstone in Zion ] Therefore thus says the Lord God: “Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation, A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation; Whoever believes will not act hastily.
          Matthew 21:42
          Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: ‘The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone. This was the Lord’s doing, And it is marvelous in our eyes’? Mark 12:10; Luke 20:17 Acts 4:11 1 Peter 2:6-7

          The Word is also very clear that Holy G-d blessed the descendants of Ishmael, son of Abraham and Agar, the Concubine (the Arabs), but there blessing is not the blessing of the Hebrews/Jews. And that’s another story.

          And then some of us have come to understand how we have changed the Word of G-d, which is forbidden. Rev. 22: 18,19
          Centuries of wrong teachings are not easily corrected, are they?
          There is only ONE True G-d, His Name is Yahweh/G-d/Jehovah Jira/Elohim/El Shaddai/El Elyon/Adonai (He has many names). There is only ONE Messiah, and there will be no other: His Name is Yahushua/Y’eshua/Jesus Christ (anglicized). I stake my eternity on these statements with no reservation, no hesitation.

          Today Jehovah/Yahweh accepts both Jew and Gentile on the basis of their faith in the death and resurrection of His Messiah, His Son, G-d Himself, presented as a substitutionary sacrifice, suitable to completely pay the penalty due us for our sin. And because of this, we have a final, great High Priest (and we will never need another!) who made the atonement, that we might be forgiven of the sins we have committed, those acts and thoughts and deeds that forever separate us from Holy G-d.

          That is what we celebrate this Resurrection Season.
          Hebrews 7:
          11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.
          14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest 16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. 17 For He testifies.
          “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek”
          18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, 19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
          20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath 21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:
          “The LORD has sworn And will not relent,
          ‘You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek’”),22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.
          23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. 24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
          26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.
          While I know not all will, it is my fervent prayer and hope that ALL come to know Him, to know He IS, while there is yet time.
          You might enjoy “The Complete Jewish Bible”, translation by D.H. Stern.
          Shalom Aleikhem

          • HomeINsteader says:

            I meant Hagar, the concubine, of course.

          • Encourager says:

            Thank you, Homie, for your post! What a wonderful thing to read before Resurrection Sunday!

            I have always loved Resurrection Sunday even over Christmas. We are all born and we all die. But there was only One Who the Holy Spirit raised from the dead after 3 days in the tomb. And there was only one perfect sacrifice for sin forever – Jesus, my Savior. Thank you, thank you, Jesus!

            • WYO Ryder says:

              ++1

              THANK YOU HomeInSteader for taking the time to write this! Well said!

              Blessed Resurrection Sunday to all!

          • JP in MT says:

            HomeINsteader:

            Thank You and well said. In some of the comments about religious subjects, I have noticed others using language that leads to anger. Not so when you comment on these things.

            In my opinion, that is as it should be. WE are called to teach/instruct, not judge. That is not our purview or obligation. It is his; and I believe as it is written, all will be judged.

            • HomeINsteader says:

              You are so very right, JP. It is not our place to condemn the Unbeliever; they are already condemned, as once were we. “I once was lost, but now am found…was blind..but now I see. AMAZING GRACE, indeed!”

              John 3:18
              “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    • PGCPrepper says:

      “All of the people with answers concerning God, Jesus, or whatever other religious ideas are missing the entire point of this poll and really aren’t adding much of anything to the conversation. It’s obvious that this post was fueled by the events in Cyprus and the idea of doing something with your money other than letting it sit in a bank where it can be kept from you. The poll is about monetary investment and it’s best application.”

      Thank you. It’s like saying I would buy books because knowledge is power. I do not understand why some can’t stick to the question. I ain’t mad so don’t no one leave the board on my account like another. I’m and old crusty warrant officer and a former drill sergeant so I’m not used to being subtle and babying folks so…moreover, I’ll add….

      It’s like when someone responded to what they did to prep this week by responding that their refrigerator broke and they had to buy a new one. That has nothing to do with prepping; it has to do with normal life BS. Seriously, folks.

      • JP in MT says:

        PGCPrepper:

        I agree with your assessment of the original intent of the question. Although I did make a comment on the religious discussion, I did address my original response based upon “what do I think is the best use for my prepping money” type question.

        Thanks for bringing it up.

    • BTH,
      I do have to agree with you. Since I am a Christian that is already taken care of. My first thought when I read the list is the situation in Cyprus and could it come to the U.S. Since living a nomadic lifestyle is out of the question. (It would have to be something major for me to leave my home – think nuclear.) Land is first and foremost what is needed so that you have access to grow/hunt your food. If you have land you will have a way to provide shelter. Guns & ammo are great but ammo only lasts so long. Bows and arrows also have a place and they have the advantage of being silent plus you can make them yourself. Right now with my current situation gold and silver is not an option. I do have a few coins but that is because my DH and I have been collecting for quite a few years. Knowledge and wisdom are of course very valuable but really cannot be purchased, that is acquired over time. Since we are preppers we already realize the value of knowledge and wisdom because we are preppers. Everyone’s situation is different and everyone’s opinion is different. We all have to do what is right for us! I value everyones input here as I learn a lot – building up that knowledge. :D

      • Thanks for your response. Beautifully stated. Although, interestingly enough, my DW and I plan on going the nomadic route. That’s based on a life choice more than a survival one. An early retirement of travelling, so to speak. Hopefully we’ll have time to enjoy it before SHTF, but we have talked about buying some raw land so we have somewhere to retreat to as it’s an important investment! Right now we have a house with land, but we’ll be getting rid of that once we’re ready to hit the road.

  43. TomBodet says:

    I picked guns and ammo also. Very bad and hard times are coming!

  44. PCGPrepper-thank you for the results page, mine would not come up.
    Personally I chose land(1), if you want to live/survive you must have property to grow crops, livestock, put a roof over your head and those of your loved ones. (2) Firearms so we can harvest the animals that provided for our nourishment (3) gold and silver to use for exchange when we can not produce certain items. (4)”other” Freedom, it is why our forefathers came to America.
    Before you wonder why Freedom….read the question again.

    • PGCPrepper says:

      It’s a tough question and neither choice is mutually exclusive IMO. Imagine Daniel Boone exploring the West for “elbow room” without a weapon.

  45. In a SHTF scenario I believe circulated 90% silver coinage will buy you the food and whatever else there is out there left to buy. Guns & Ammo come in a tie for first, as their usefullness/necessity will out weigh silver in the right situation. They also offer the ultimate in bartering.

  46. I voted for guns & ammo for several reasons. God is, and will always be with me. I believe in Him, and know He sees all I do, have done, and will do. He accepts me for who and what I am, and I see no reason to have to make a choice, that has already been made.

    Food, etc., will be necessary whenever, wherever one happens to be. I keep about 3 months supply for my family available and portable. I live too close to populated areas for any serious consideration of long term hunkering down. My goal is to survive with my family long enough to give the next generations (son, daughter, granddaughter) a chance at a life. In their lifetime, they will not be able to amass the firearms and ammunition that I’ve already put away. If all goes well, they won’t have to, it will already be provided.

    Gold, silver, and other conventional forms of currency will be replaced by food, fuel, water, guns, and ammo. When society DOES start to reform, THEN the gold and silver will have a bearing on commerce, but I’ll stick to my scenario in the meantime.

    I hope I am totally wrong, but when things happen, the worst in man will come to be commonplace. It will take those with Faith to reassemble this Nation, but only after long and hard times.

    Bless and good luck to us all!

  47. FarmerKin says:

    I chose “other”. I think knowledge is the best investment. It’s the only thing that can’t be taken away.

    • JP in MT says:

      FarmerKin:

      It is true that knowledge is very important, especially long term. But I have the think that without food, shelter, and a way to protect it, you could end up a very smart, very dead person.

  48. I voted other, my best long term investment is being debt free with a paid for piece of land with housing as off grid as I can get. That way I can raise my own food and the only bill I would have to worry about would be property taxes, and if I had to pick up beer cans all year to pay it I can. Not close to that goal yet but working on it..

  49. ladyofthelake says:

    God first,drink second food third. It sure helps to have guns and ammo to kill to eat and for protection. Land for sure and seed to grow food. But if you do not have experience growing your own food, God help you because it sure is not easy. Would be nice to have silver or gold to barter for things that you would need. What we really need is a whole new government about one third the size maybe even one fourth the size.

  50. I picked land, but I like the comments on a relationship with God, as well as knowledge, and I guess I’d add a sense of humor and the ability to amuse oneself. If we couldn’t have guns, give me a real good knife, axes and hammers, a warm fire, and a slingshot! Just got one to learn on – and dh brought home some clay kitty litter to make training ammo to learn on.

    • Encourager says:

      Okay, Jeanne, how do you take clay kitty litter and turn it into training ammo???? Seriously, I really want to know! I bought those silver balls but the thought of the lawn mower picking one up and sending it through a window or hitting someone freaks me out.

  51. I should have said Federal Reserve notes, thusly I could keep warm and cook my food from the fire they would make. But then again- they probably wouldn’t burn too good eitherly.

    • Thomas T. Tinker says:

      Hey Marti! Ya run through a shredder til ya have a bucket load. Then ya add water till they are good and wet. let em soak. Next day…. viola…. Bio-Bricks! If you add good ‘sweaty’ pine shavings……. they burn hotter. Youtube bio-brick presses.

  52. SC Redneck says:

    For long term I have to go with land. They are not making any more of it

  53. The Original Wolfepak says:

    I picked other for two reasons, neither of which can be taken away from you. 1) Salvation based on a loving GOD 2) knowledge of all of the other choices.

  54. mhardmoney says:

    long term gold (1/4 ounce coins) then silver (dollar coins) preferred investment . Bought slowly over time will provide some protection against the coming inflation.Plan on withdrawing over time % of funds from IRA and buying more gold / silver . I think we should all have money untracked off the grid. I can envision what’s about to happen To Cyprus bank accounts may some day (10-15 years) happen to any money in IRA / 401 accounts.The government will be desperate to raise funds to keep all it’s programs funded ,it will be portrayed as only being fair to redistribute these funds for the greater good. Love this site ,the wealth of knowledge shared by the pack is invaluable and very much appreciated .

  55. Survivor says:

    I chose ‘other’. Knowledge, IMHO, is absolutely the most precious commodity one can have. Even today you aren’t paid for what you can do, you’re paid for what you know, what you’ve learned through experience. It’s even been suggested as a prep priority for groups – keeping people with special skills. To a prepper an unskilled (unprepared) person is simply a meat bag with reproductive powers. Ain’t saying they can’t be trained, but if an unskilled person showed up at your group’s entrance asking to be adopted, among other things, you’d have to weigh how much you’ll have to invest in food and vital resources before the plebe can carry his/her own weight.
    Food and firepower will be the new currency. Silver and gold will become more precious as society eases back into a rythym and we start to rebuild. I believe the end of the SHTF era will be a few years coming and the government that emerges from the rubble will be much different from what we know today. Paro Defendemus (Prepare and Defend), now I just need me a cool looking banner!! :)

  56. with out guns you will not be able to keep what you have

  57. Hi to all,

    Been lurking for several years, life in general takes up to much time. Getting to old to accomplish much more that what each new day brings. I agree with each and everyone’s choice. I voted guns and ammo, but everyone has a different primary need depending on where they are in time.

    It does my heart good to see that most have placed their lives in God’s hand first and foremost. Without Him, we have no chance, regardless off what we have prepped with/for. The bible gives us His word that He will lift all believers (those dead and alive) up into the air on that day when He comes for His people. As many have stated, He also gave us a charge to provide all for our families and to help others as we can. I feel that means to prep for the worse so that your family is taken care of. I don’t think that means that one should excessively store goods beyond your needs per the parable about the rich man who build barns to store his excess (I think that story applies to any item that is hoarded over above reasonably projected needs). You tithe can be time, money, products, but the tithe or more is the proof to God that you return part of His blessing to Him…” we are only stewards of what is ALL His

    Wife and I have land that is not yet paid for . Only owe 19 more months on it, but it is never safe from government seizure. I have a years worth of food and will continue to can/dehydrate,etc. as we rotate what we store, I have adequate ammo, firearms (would like to have a M1, but cash to spare is not there) enough to exceed my physical ability to use them all. At 67, I am not planning for any major stand. I have enough food, water, etc. to survive for a fair while and enough firepower to take my share of zombies with me. My son is close, wife and I will move down the mountain a few miles with him and at that point God will lead us. I know that Eternal Life is far better than anything here.

    A quote attributed to many alway come to my mind is “The thing that separates the American Christian from every other person on the earth the the fact that he would rather die on his feet that live on his knees.”

    To that I say Amen and Molon Labe… I am looking forward to the future.

  58. Richard J says:

    Other. TP, soap, shampoo, bullets, water, food. All easily bartered for other things.

  59. I voted for “other”. My “other” means anything that is “TANGIBLE”; items that I can touch, use or consume. These would be ANY assets that will aid my family and myself today and in the future. These include our land, home, funds, foods, arms, fuels and other preparations to ease our lives today and in the possible (probable) events that may (will) happen in the future. This also includes MINDSET and FAITH in a loving God, which are also “tangibles” in my world.

  60. Sirvivr2010 says:

    I voted “other”. I need God, land, seed and guns. Somewhere in there, a helpmate.

  61. I voted for Guns and ammo, With these I can eat well, have gold or silver, gather knowledge, If I have guns and ammo and you don’t well then what you have will be mine and you will work for me. I have land, I have water, I have a wife and two children, I have lots of food BUT I also have tons of ammo and mind set to use both. My main and only concern will be the well fair and safety of my people, If you have what I need to keep my people safe and your not better armed then I am then I will take yours if you don’t give it to me.This is not a new concept but it is a proven fact. Remember the victor writes history the meek may inherit the earth but it starts 6 feet under

  62. I voted for land. You can build a home on land and have your food storage there. You can raise a garden on land. You can have a flock of chickens on land. You can have a water well on land. You can bury your dead on land. If you don’t own the land (and the dwelling) where you live you can be made homeless at the whim of the landlord or mortgage company if you lose your job or if the economy tanks and those retirement pay checks stop. If you own land, that is something of lasting value that you can pass onto your descendants. You can not eat gold or silver or burn it to keep warm. Without a home on land of your own, you could be reduced to being a nomad no matter how many guns or platinum credit cards or other “stuff” you have.