Getting Out of Dodge – Getting to Your Bug Out Location

Today’s non-fiction writing contest entry “Getting Out of Dodge – Getting to You Bug Out Location” is By Jack S

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One of the first things many people think about, and even plan, is what they’re going to do when TSHTF.  A majority of people believe they need to “get out of Dodge” however something they overlook is what they’ll do if the route they’ve chosen is closed, or jammed with thousands of other people with the same goal in mind.

What we’ve done is pick at least two alternative routes to our bug-out spot, aka “home away from home”.  We’ve driven one of the routes and have put together a binder with road maps in addition to photographs we took along the way.  We plan to do the same for our second alternate route, which we are familiar with but haven’t put together a binder.

The second route is, in my estimation too visible from the main highway and would not be my first choice, but it is an alternative.  As our alternate routes cover some pretty desolate country, the pictures we have in the binder are of some of the intersections or “forks” in the road that could send you off in the wrong direction.

There are times when these intersections tend to look alike or not familiar at all.  This is when the term “A picture is worth a thousand words” rings true.  We chose to put this binder together in case TSHTF sooner than we expected.  In time, if it doesn’t hit the fan, we’ll have practiced taking these routes enough times that the binders shouldn’t be necessary.  Anyway, we have them.

Some people tend to rely on GPS’s for even the simplest trips.  Something to remember is that when TSHTF, electronics may not be functional.  Depending on the extent of the electrical meltdown, even the vehicle you’ve chosen may not be functional, especially in a vehicle with electronic modules.  I know, they seem wonderful right now, but we have an older vehicle that shouldn’t be affected, or at least minimally affected.  I’d love to think I could utilize my nice, fairly new one ton truck, but that’s part of the problem. It’s fairly new and loaded with electronics.   Our old ’79 CJ-7 doesn’t have that problem and it will still pull a utility trailer loaded with lots of essentials.

We’re pretty sure the main route out of town will either be controlled, jammed or otherwise useless, and even though we’re only about twenty minutes to half an hour away from our bug-out spot, I know the back road trip will take at least an hour.  This is something to keep in mind when choosing an alternate route.  Depending on how long we’ll spend on the road, and what kind of obstacles we may encounter, the essentials we’ll be travelling with have to include means of protection.  You have to realize that you probably won’t be the only ones on that “back road”.  In a perfect world, like-minded people should just be interested in getting out of town.  The problem that arises is that it’s not especially a “perfect world”, and desperate times can demand desperate measures.

Given the fact that during riots and other desperate times some people tend to take advantage of others, one of the things to keep in mind is self-preservation and protection of you and your family.  I feel sorry for the folks that think everyone along the way will be all friendly and helpful.  Under normal circumstances this may be true, but then what we’re discussing is not necessarily “normal”.  We are pretty well prepared for any confrontations.  I won’t go into exactly what weapons we have, but suffice to say, we have a pretty good little traveling armory.  Water is definitely on the list as is ammo.  Enough food for a couple of days and sleeping bags would be on the list as well.

Our bug-out place is very well equipped, so only the necessities have to go with us in an emergency situation.  We also have our bug-out bags in case the worst case scenario happens, which is to have to hoof it.  Not necessarily preferred, and much more time consuming.  A good idea would be to have a safe stash place for the armament or prepping goods you couldn’t initially take with you.  That’s a little tougher project, as looters are pretty resourceful and persistent when it comes to ferreting out your hiding places.  Especially if they know you have more weapons or food than you could carry.  Of course, we’re hoping to be mobile, but you have to be ready for either scenario.  It may sound risky, and possibly even out of the question to go back into town to retrieve your “stash”, so what you consider the least valuable or necessary should be what you leave behind.  After all, surviving is more important and going back into the mouth of the dragon may not be worth it.

Keep in mind this is only one possible scenario out of several that could bring about TEOTWAWKI.  I’m working on bug-out alternatives for other possible crisis.  Nuclear attacks, foreign invasions, volcanoes, earthquakes, biological attacks are only some of the nasty things that could bring about our impending demise.  Some scenarios are almost hopeless, others are very manageable.  A lot has to do with your frame of mind.  Always believe that you’re going to survive, no matter what.

Prizes for this round (ends August 11 2014) in our non fiction writing contest include…

  1. First place winner will receive –  A $150 gift certificate for Fiocchi Ammo courtesy of LuckyGunner, and a Wonder Junior Deluxe grain mill courtesy of Kitchen Neads.
  2. Second place winner will receive – 15 Live Fire Original – Emergency Fire Starters courtesy of LPC Survival and a Survival Puck  courtesy of Innovation Industries.
  3. Third place winner will receive – a copy of my book ”31 Days to Survival: A Complete Plan for Emergency Preparedness“ and “Dirt Cheap Survival Retreat” courtesy of  TheSurvivalistBlog.net and copy of “The Survival Medicine Handbook” courtesy of www.doomandbloom.net.

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Comments

  1. JP in MT says:

    I saw this advise the other day from someone here….If you are planning to Bug-Out, do it fast. The longer you wait after your “trigger event” the worst it is going to be.

    • hvaczach says:

      I agree, The best way to avoid trouble is realize how bad the situation got and react faster than the masses. My guess the ready will have a 16-24 hour head start as the unprepared try to gather their wits, and supplies make good use of it.

      • Tactical G-Ma says:

        hv and JP,
        I think most folks are going to do what they have done in the past. Rush to the stores and buy or loot anything and everything in their paths. Or head for the PD or FD or school or whatever municipal building they are closes to. If you do not move immediately and have to go thru any populated areas or major hiways, you may not make it. It takes several hours to deploy NG road blocks unless it is a planned event. If it is planned then you have to plan on Curly, Moe, and Larry setting up on roads less traveled. I just hate to think about it.

        • Peachie says:

          I agree with you. The large majority of people who haven’t prepared aren’t going to “know” they should be heading for the exit! They are going to do what they always do when the power goes out, wait for it to come back on. It will be a solid day before most people even start heading for the FD or PD.

    • Encourager says:

      If you think the S has hit the fan, leave. Even if it is in the middle of the night. First out, first saved, in my opinion. You say you have the route all planned out and that your bug out place isn’t that far away. So who cares if it turns out to be a false run? Just LEAVE! No one says you can’t return home in case it was a false alarm!

      I need to get together with my ds to figure out how to meet him on his way here or back at his apartment, if he is coming from work. He has a Vietnam era troop truck that will run even if it is an EMP event. Neither dh nor I have ever driven it – and that needs to be done asap.

  2. Tactical G-Ma says:

    Thanks Mike S. for the article. Much good advice. Something that has been reinforced in my mind is all the traffic and security cams going up in our small town. Depending on the emergency, things like identifying marks, license plates, exposed faces/heads, exposed cargo, could draw attention from more than your neighbors

    • Or obscured faces/heads. Maybe they’ll be looking for people who appear to be hiding something.

      • Tactical G-Ma says:

        PP
        Good point. Avoid them if possible. I really think anyone watching would be mostly interested in what you have.

    • Who’s Mike?

    • Peachie says:

      Can you explain for me why it matters if a cam IDs your vehicle during a WTSHF event? So we are leaving the cities, why would they care? Aren’t the police going to be totally swamped? If it is an EMP or HEMP event, there won’t be anything working anyway. What event are you speaking of?

  3. What a timely article! This is a subject I’ve recently given some thought to and come up with some strategies that might work for my wife and I.We live on the outskirts of a very small town (pop1000). The nearest town is about 13,000 people and I don’t honestly think getting through that town in an emergency would be a problem. The only circumstance i can come up with that would force our evacuation or bugging out, would be a nuclear attack on the air force base that is 30 miles to our west. Since prevailing winds move predominantly west to east, we would be in the path of the fallout.I’ve examined the maps of my area and I have come to the conclusion that we would have to move rapidly due north about 40 miles, then west about 30 miles where there is a bridge across the very fast moving red river.Then continue on another 15 miles and head due south to a little town in texas that I have some land and where there is access to water and fish (farm pond). It is most definitely a good thing to go over potential evacuation/bugout routes. In times of duress with no access to google maps or GPS is not the time to come up with a route plan. Very good article on a subject I myself was lacking in and im sure others as well may not have given it the consideration and pre-planning it justifies. Thanks Jack.

  4. axelsteve says:

    You do not have to use roads. there are also railroad tracks in some places. Power line right of ways. Old logging roads and skidtrails from past logging activity. Sometimes you can use those for planning.

    • There is a fast moving river between my homestead and land that I would bugout to.There are several railroad bridges crossing it,but only 3 highways that go over it in my general location.It is a good thing to know their locations in case highway bridges are being controlled by bad guys,either the ones with badges or without.

      • B.C., can you travel by boat between the two properties?

      • Never mind, I just re-read your post and realized I misunderstood, sounds like the river cuts you off from your bol.
        But food for thought, the native American Indian population were quite successful moving about by canoes and other small craft. Don’t forget travel by water as option.

      • Peachie says:

        Can you take a truck across a railroad bridge? Is that even possible?

  5. For me, it is not bugging out but getting back home, I work 16 miles from my house, it is a long walk, with a 1000ft. elevation increase, I have a couple of routes I can take, no highways but heavy population.

    • Getting home is my biggest concern to. I carry a lot of “things” in my truck to help me get home should I get stuck out. I carry Enough water for my wife and I, enough food for a couple of days,I even have a couple of short fishing rods and tackle under the back seat since you can catch fish in pretty much and puddle in Louisiana.

  6. mom of three says:

    We have several ways to go either north, east, or south, can’t go west or you are swimming. We go different routes all the time so we know roads, railroad tracks very well. The more learn you can be safer you will be, knowledge is key.

    • mom of three says:

      It’s early my brain gets a head of my fingers. I should have said the more you learn the safer you will be.

  7. I have collected a couple cart type things (part of a paint sprayer without the sprayer, a golf bag wheeler) to help in carrying more things. I haven’t tried hooking them up to a bicycle yet. They might want to keel over to the side if dragged behind a bike… not sure. They only have about 8″ wheels. I also have wheel bolts so that I could make a cart from a pallet and use old bicycle wheels as the wheels. Either way, maybe these could be made into carts to walk with, say, to fetch water or haul small amounts of dirt/potatoes etc.

    I would very much like to find a van, or outfit my economy car with a small trailer in order to haul more things. I’m just not thrilled with my car’s pickup as it is, it seems logey lately and adding a trailer behind it might make it work too hard.

    A bicycle could also be outfitted with panniers and a basket or two.

    • Bctruck says:

      Have the mass air flow sensor cleaned (MAF) and if it’s an older car, replacing all the oxygen sensors is worth the fuel savings and return of performance. Just my humble backyard/shade tree mechanics opinion.

      • mom of three says:

        For sure check that out. Before we took my dad’s truck, that was one of the first thing my hubby checked it was quite dirty so $20.00 and a clean new filter it was fine.

    • Encourager says:

      I read a survival fiction book where the guy trying to get home rigged up a cart to first pull behind his bike and then fashioned it so he could pull it. He used bicycle wheels instead of the smaller wheels.

    • Rick H. says:

      Roof rack for the economy car instead of trailer. Added complexity and weight, and changes the way your car handles. A soft bag with gutter clamps runs anywhere from 50-100 bucks and can free up space inside for heavier things. Use it for lighter, bulkier objects like tents, blankets, etc.

      Definitely get it tuned up, if for the gas economy for nothing else. Have your tires rotated every time you change your oil, that way you’ll know they won’t be frozen (with rust) to the hubs if you get a flat, and check your spare and jack assembly as well. If possible, get a full-size spare rather than a run-flat. That way you have another regular rim in case one of your originals gets damaged.

    • Nemoseto says:

      I get around primarily on a bike and use a homemade bike trailer to go to the town 30 miles away for supplies. I tried using a golf bag as a bike trailer but the idea was a flop. I made a couple $10 trailers that haul some decent weight. get one of those fabric bike trailer strollers, you can usually find them free or very cheap (I got them out of the trash from people who had kids that outgrew the stroller). remove all the cloth stuff and unneeded metal and just strip it down to a frame, bike hitch and wheels. its easy to mount a box (like one of those big plastic totes with a latching top) onto the frame. whole thing weighs less than 10 LBs and usually costs less than $10. they also haul 100 LBs easy and mount to a bike in a way that paniers and baskets won’t be affected (my cargo bike has a big basket in front, 2 square buckets on the back as paniers, and the trailer)

  8. Have you changed the points (remember them?) in that ’79 bug out vehicle lately? It uses an ‘electronic’ spark control module. EMF pulse will likely make it inoperable. Same goes for most of the small, air-cooled engines made in the last 25, or so, years.

    • Jack Sinclair says:

      Yes, I’ve changed the points. And no, the Mallory dual point, mechanical distributor doesn’t utilize a computer control module. Neither does my air-cooled VW Baja.

      • Glad to see you got rid of that trouble-free breakerless distributor. How about some instructions for fellow preppers on changing over to the Mallory Dual Point? Things like source, cost, maintenance issues, etc. While you are at it, how about an instruction pack on replacing that vulnerable 140-amp alternator set-up with a good ‘ol 30-amp generator?

        • Actually, as this site wasn’t intended to be a mechanic’s blog, I don’t think it’s an appropriate place to go into instructions on changing over points, alternators, etc. Let’s leave that to the mechanics. BTW, the ’79 CJ7 came with a 61amp alternator, not 140. I replaced it with a “Mean Green” 63amp alternator. I guess you could go to an never-ending scenario as to where do you stop protecting your equipment from an EMF pulse. Why not just create a ferrel cage around the whole engine department? then you wouldn’t have to change anything! LOL

        • Sorry about the spelling. Should have been “faraday cage”. Must have had cats on the mind.

  9. SoCalPrepper says:

    Someday we’ll have a bug out location…hopefully…that’s the drawback to Southern California and not having any family anywhere else in the world (unless Sacramento counts, and I don’t think it does!)

  10. I was going to mention the breakerless ignition and ECU in the ’79 Jeep, but an earlier post beat me to it.
    The last year Jeep (CJ) used points was “72, and a ’72 distributor will fit a ’79 if you want to change it all out (coil, dropping resistor, minor wiring change, etc)
    The other concern that’s hardly ever mentioned as being a problem in a EMP event affecting electronics is the alternator and its voltage regulator. All alternators have 3 diodes inside that are likely to get toasted in any EMP event that’s frying other electronics. Older (’60’s or so) voltage regulators were not solid state (depends on the car mfgr), but from about the 70’s on, all mfgrs transitioned to solid state regulators — either internal to the alternator, or external.
    So if you don’t want to try driving too far on the battery alone (you won’t get very far at night) you may want to thing about storing an alternator and voltage regulator in a Faraday cage to cover that issue too.
    Good advice about taking pictures of intersections along the route, and the comment about the bridges. Those are my main concern in traveling any distance because from this location I’ll have to cross 2 or 3 major rivers in any direction that I head out
    And bridges are great choke points for anyone intending “mischief”.

  11. Nemoseto says:

    bug out location is more of a bug out region, there is a large area within a days bike ride of me that is almost uninhabited, with a distance of more than 20 miles between roads. on foot with 50 lbs of supplies I could be there in 3 days, 1 with a bike hauling 150 to 200 lbs of supplies. then its simply a matter of getting deep where no one else is likely to go, setting up a cabin and starting the trap line/fishing/foraging. no one is likely to find a hidden camp 10 miles into hurricane blow down (tangled mess of trees) since no one would want to climb through that mess. cashe the bike and trailer closer to the road and carry everything in in a few trips.

    but in all reality as long as my home is intact its probably better to bug in

  12. Encourager says:

    I cannot emphasize it enough – leave early, leave immediately before the bad guys can get their act together and block a bridge or road. Get loading your vehicle down to 15 minutes – practice, practice! Kids can get dressed in the car as you drive – toss them in, pj’s and all but don’t forget their shoes. Leave within 15 minutes of you getting the “oh crap!” feeling. If it is a false alarm, so what. Listen to your intuition.

  13. Richard of Danbury says:

    This advice of getting out of Dodge ASAP may seem good advice, but that is assuming that the Golden Horde is moving from the same starting point. While you may get the jump on the crowd at the beginning of your jaunt, within a small amount of time others will join along the route thus clogging the roads and hemming you in a possibly unknown area. IMHO, the best thing to do is shelter in place with all your preps. Taking to the road will only increase your chances of trouble as more and more people, good and bad, also take to the roads.

    • Tactical G-Ma says:

      RoD
      I do agree with you for the most part but there are exceptions. That’s a decision that many will remain flexible on right up to the final moment. I do recommend that everyone have a plan “B”.

      • Richard of Danbury says:

        Unfortunately, I live in the bedroom communities north of NYC. I’m about 65 miles due north of Times Square. There are an estimated 12 million, yes 12 million, peoplin the tri-State area of the NYC suburbs. If you lump in other small, medium, and large cities along the Boston to Washington corridor there is not much point in taking to the road. I’ve commuted to NYC for the major part of my life in all weather and under all conditions. I’ve seen the hordes of inconsiderate drivers under ordinary circumstances and their rude and even dangerous behavior. I’ve long speculated on just what to do in a SHTF situation and determined that my best defense is to hunker down and stay in place, beefing up my defenses in a unique dead-end community on a cul-de-sac with a nearby, yet concealed, reservoir a football field’s length from home. This has feeders and drainage creeks that pass within 50 feet of my backyard and proceed into a swampy bog. The rest is surrounded by deep woods with boggy bottom lands that act somewhat as a deterrent boundary. The undergrowth both in the bog and woods is dense and nearly impassable in spring, summer, and fall with thickets of wild roses, stinging nettles, and poison ivy and oak. There is even miles of old barbed wire from the late nineteenth century that will prevent easy access, unless you know where open lanes exist.
        So considering my rather unique location sheltering in place is both a plan “A”, “B”, and “C”. To take to the roads to get out of the B-W Corridor’s 150 mile width is suicide.
        In addition, as funds are limited I put all my resources into one residence as I cannot afford an outlying cabin 250 miles away or more.
        I believe that for the most part even those without my situation would be better off putting resources into preps at home and sheltering in place. Plan for defense in a situation that is familiar makes the most sense.
        Of course, if forced out due to fire or overwhelming offense I also would be turned out into the road, but this will reduce my odds of survival dramatically and I would have to act in desperation and with improvisation.
        Let’s hope and pray the situation will never become that desperate.

        • Tactical G-Ma says:

          RoD,
          Until 2007, we lived in Southampton on the eastern end of Long Island. That’s 90+ miles by car to the mainland through Staten Island and part of NYC then across bridges or through tunnels. Or we could travel 30 miles and maybe catch a ferry to Connecticut. When the towers came down, everything stopped. When the North Eastern Power grid went down, everything stopped (no gas, no groceries). We loved our home. The climate was great. Seafood was plentiful. We had a great garden. BUT we were held prisoner by the populated communities surrounding us. Evacuation was not an option. Bugging out was not an option. So, since I am a southern girl, when DH retired we headed south and inland, away from the “madding crowds”. I do understand your dilemma.
          Although we have moved to a more isolated location, we too have to bug in because of our age and health.
          Yes let’s pray we never face a situation that drives us out of our home. We have a plan “B” but I chances aren’t nearly as good.

          • Richard of Danbury says:

            Wow! Imagine that! We were practically neighbors. ;-). I too am Southern born and raised… South Bronx… that is; that said, I spent much of my professional life in the Southern Appalachians and came to really appreciate that good ol’ Southern hospitality, which is no exaggeration and I miss it greatly. I can’t take the heat however, and I never did find a place that was amicable weather-wise. Although raised on the ocean and on seafood, I’m essentially a mountain man do to my intolerance of the heat and humidity. Where we are now is ideal as we only need a whole house fan for cooling and in an heat emergency, maybe one or two days of a room A/C. The nights generally cool to the low to mid-70’s which is comfortable for sleeping.
            In addition, our kids and grandkids are living in the area so all-in-all we are anchored to our current location in many ways. In the event of SHTF the entire clan will come back home where all is ready for them.
            The main drawback to living here is that most people remain clueless as to how precarious the whole system really is and as a result most don’t prepare. This will cause tensions in a grid-down situation.

        • Richard,
          The scenario I suggested in my article did not pertain to someone who is 250 miles from a BO spot. We’re about 21 miles from ours, so the plan was worked out with our conditions in mind. Just bear in mind that the hoardes of looters (and worse) will do anything possible to relieve you of your supplies, and possibly your life, in order to ensure their own survival. If you can hunker down safely and maintain that safety for an indefinite time, more power to you, and good luck.

    • Jack S. says:

      We’ll take our chances on the road any time as opposed to being caught in the city with our supplies available to the hoards of looters that would inevitably overwhelm us. The numbers on the road alone would be much less than in the cities, and the routes we’ve chosen don’t offer the ambush sites that the city does. Some areas unlike ours may subject to crowded escape routes, but we’re in the desert where our main concern will be the elements as opposed to people. Again, it depends on what type of area you live in or are attempting to get out of. To each his own.

  14. If there were road blocks or traffic jams that stopped your progress in a passenger vehicle partway to your BOL, then you only have two options – leave your vehicle or stay with it. Staying means possibly hundreds of refugees walking past your vehicle, a real security hazard, and not a long term solution unless traffic starts moving again. Leaving at a slow speed, like walking or bicycles, means becoming one of the walking refugees. If there are hundreds or thousands of trapped people in a particular county, the locals and the Sheriff aren’t going to be able to ignore that. Officials may bring supplies to those trapped, or they may herd people to a refugee area. Maybe they’ll just tell you to get out of their county, forcing everybody in a particular direction. Neighboring counties may set up their own roadblocks/checkpoints to keep refugees out. Every new county you have to cross to get where you’re going might pose different problems.

    Our two person plan (see below) is to abandon the vehicle quickly if trapped, and put as much distance between us and the refugees as quickly as possible. Hopefully we’ll get the rest of the way to the BOL, but if not then at least we’ll be far enough ahead of the crowd that are on foot to avoid being a refugee caught in the crowd. http://imgur.com/g1TlCpz

  15. I absolutely concur on your GPS vs. map & compass. Map reading skills are unfortunately becoming a lost art, even for highway maps, and the GPS, although a great tool has led too many people into a false sense of security, quite often not doing any preliminary scouting. Even looking at some suggested routes on Google maps, can give you a feel for the route and its alternatives.
    One of the most important things for a GOOD plan is the trigger event, which generally comes in one of several types:
    1. The event with a long term specific warning such as a hurricane.
    2. The event with a long term non-specific warning such as n economic collapse, or an overseas event that cuts off imported energy.
    3. The event with a short term specific warning such as a tornado.
    4. The event with no specific warning such as n earthquake.

    These types of event should all have their own trigger points, and the planning should also include SIP vs. BO. I’ve often mentioned, and can’t stress too much, that everyone ought to have a threat matrix and plan supplies and location / relocation against it.
    The plan here for most situations is SIP; however, our MAGs BOL is 2-3 hours away, and would require several trips, so, trigger events for moving there, are for very dire circumstances.
    I see suggestions to leave early, or hunker down, and all of these can be the right thing to do, depending on the event and timeline, which each of us needs to assess for our own situations.

    • One other thing to have with you on the road is communications. At the very least a scanner that can cover the VHF ham bands, FRS, GMRS, MURS, and local Police/Fire/EMS. The Baofeng UV-5R series discussed in this forum will work for that. Additionally, CB radios are inexpensive and cover the other common bands used for person to person comms. An AM & FM radio can then add commercial broadcasts to the mix. The key with communications is primarily listening to gain intelligence. and if you transmit, practice your comms procedures often and keep things short to help prevent interception and DF’ing.

      • Tactical G-Ma says:

        OP
        A reminder- we are trying to get the word out to all prepping CB’ers to use the rule of 3’s. Every 3rd hour come up on channel 3 for 3 minutes. Listen for news and pass what you have at that time. Thanks to all.

        • Tactical G-Ma says:

          That is rule of 3’s for cb’s in a shtf situation.

          • Tactical G-Ma,
            Since I generally don’t hang out in the CB area, I didn’t know about this 3 hour suggestion; although I see a problem and have a suggestion myself.
            Normally we use even hours on specific times. If I com up at noon and 3:00 and you come up at 1:00 and 4:00, then we miss each other. Perhaps there should be some marker time such as 12, 3, 6, 9.
            My suggestion, is that since most new radios use very little power when receiving and properly squelched, you simply leave the radio running 24/7, transmitting only when required.

            • Tactical G-Ma says:

              OP
              I didn’t make this up so it’s not my rules but does make sense. If a person is incapable of understanding multiples of 3’s on the hours well, I guess they should leave their radios on.

              • Tactical G-Ma,
                You originally stated, “Every 3rd hour come up on channel 3 for 3 minutes”. Multiples of 3’s on the hour makes more sense and is much more clear: 12, 3, 6, 9; which was not clear in the originaldescription. In any case, I have multiple radios running continuously.

                • Tactical G-Ma says:

                  OP
                  Sorry for the confusion and for being snarky.
                  I only have my tech license so only regularly use vhf and uhf on ham and without repeaters don’t have much range. CB has a bit more line-of-site. Would like to add HF and a short wave. I’m not rich so have to classify preps as need-to-have and want-to-have. Still working on my need-to-have list.

                  • Tactical G-Ma,
                    Didn’t seem snarky, just a bit confusing; however, your second description cleared it up.
                    I’m an extra class; but, that doesn’t mean all that much, since a current general class will do most of what anyone would need. There are a lot of good used rigs for HF out there, and antennas can be very cheap and easy to build. IMO, all comms whether CB, FRS, GMRS, MURS, or the various amateur frequencies and modes can be useful, so having at least receive capability for each is a good thing.

  16. Lots of great comments here. Thank you all for contributing. My intention in my article related to myself and my family, and may not be the right plan for you. More importantly, have a plan, and one that suits your possible situation. In our case, our route will not likely be mobbed with others, as it’s through the desert and not on any well- travelled roads or highways. This was definitely a consideration when picking our route(s). Our maps are our own, and not something that would be shared with other “escapees”, so we’re pretty confident that we won’t run into many other travellers. If so, it’s every man (and woman) for themselves. See you on the other side.

  17. just wondering what would be the best way to travel if
    the roads were blocked by troops [ possably foreign ]
    and there were check points.
    walking far around them may work but they also have
    other ways to box us in, namely from the sky.
    not sure if i am thinking out there to far but just wanted to
    ask and get opinions.
    thanks.
    ron

    • Ron, that’s a tough one. Depends if the troops are “legal” or not and how well armed they are. One thing you don’t want to happen when you’re fleeing is to be stopped. They don’t have any right to block you on a dirt road in the middle of the desert, however if you’re on a State, County, City etc. thoroughfare, chances are they’re going to hinder your progress (kind words for martial law). Personally, if I think they’re going to be in way from escaping a bad situation, God help them, because nothing, and I mean nothing, is going to put me and/or my family in harms way. When we’re bugging out, we’re well armed. Step away from that Jeep toad!

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