Gun Violence “Reduction” Executive Actions List

by M.D. Creekmore on January 16, 2013 · 153 comments

What follows is the list of executive orders President Obama referenced minutes ago during a press conference addressing measures to reduce gun violence in the United States:

Gun Violence Reduction Executive Actions

Today, the President is announcing that he and the Administration will:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities. 18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health

153 comments

Victoria S. January 16, 2013 at 2:41 pm

“Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.” – if my doctor started asking me about guns in my house… I’d either find a new doctor or quit going to doctors all together. It’s none of his damn business. (Unless he wants advice on what gun to buy, of course…)

WYO Ryder January 16, 2013 at 5:26 pm

Agreed! None of their biz!

I can see doctors casually asking kids if their parents yell or fight/get angry and “oh, by the way…does your Mom or Dad have any guns in the house?” UNBELIEVABLE!

I asked all two of our local doctors here and they said they would never be that intrusive. Still, I’d sure have to keep my cool if a doctor asked such things or risk getting put on a possible ‘list’ when I told the doc to KMA!

#16 really bothers me. It opens the door to other info mongering – God forbid one of my kids tells the docs that I despise TDL or even worse – that I am a prepper!! Holy crap – put her on THE LIST!

SW January 16, 2013 at 6:30 pm

I dont know… the older I get the crankier I get. I’d prolly still tell them to KMA!

Eventually anyone that is or associates with preppers/homesteaders/survivalists/patriots will be on a list… if we aren’t already.

SW January 16, 2013 at 5:37 pm

Knowing what we know now… .Im not even sure I’d offer that advice. Might try to paint you as a gun nut and thus mentally unstable.

T.R. January 16, 2013 at 8:43 pm

Just say no , no matter what ………none of their business .

axelsteve January 16, 2013 at 9:24 pm

I see allot of goverment growing from that list of o speak

Unleashd January 16, 2013 at 10:00 pm

All 23 EO’s have a ‘stench’ of CONFISCATION to me!

BHO planted the seed today.

Unleashd January 16, 2013 at 10:13 pm

Also, if 1,2,3 won’t work……try 17,18,19……still won’t, try…..etc.

23 different angles, …..only one is what he wants!

OhioPrepper January 17, 2013 at 12:17 am

My current Doc knows I have guns and in fact we both carry the same model
For other Doc’s asking that question a simple “Nonya” (Nonya damg business) should suffice.

JP in MT January 17, 2013 at 2:02 pm

OP:

One of the advantages of having the same Dr. for so many years is she don’t have to ask. I do have a new dentist who needs educating.

OhioPrepper January 18, 2013 at 12:20 am

JP,
Hadn’t thought of dentists, but mine encourages CHL holders to carry on the premise. He seems to think that a gun free zone (unarmed victim zone) is a bad thing.

WESTPAC January 17, 2013 at 5:40 pm

We have already experienced this at the local Navy Hospital…asking questions like:

Do you now or have you felt like committing homicide, suicide, etc.

We quickly changed to an Army clinic, where they could care less…

I have instructed my family to refuse to answer any questions NOT pertaining to the medical reason that they are there for.

The Liberals & Obama are POS & will always be, so no use trying to hope for nothing else…Its On!

Bill January 18, 2013 at 12:46 am

I’m going to be making a dr. appt. in the near future, and intend to bring this question up with my doc, and inform him that I do NOT want this question asked of any member of my family. Also asking him specifically if any of the meds which I am on are being reported to the government, and if so why? ( I take a low dose of a common anti-depressant) Going to make sure he notes in my chart that I do NOT agree to having any of my information shared and that I insist on being notified if he is being legally required to do so.

RB January 18, 2013 at 7:33 am

That’s a neat trick to watch out for, “what gun to buy.”

riverrider January 16, 2013 at 3:32 pm

m.d., shouldn’t it be “die on your feet rather than live on your knees”? or is that you masterful play on words at work:) either way, i ain’t bending any more. crapface says he ain’t sending my pension check next month. i bet the free sh@t army gets theirs. they might riot, tear up some stuff. wait til a few million vets don’t get what they EARNED. bet it ends up dif than the previous times they shafted us. keep fightin the fight m.d.

Thomas T. Tinker January 16, 2013 at 4:44 pm

RR……. Remember the “Bonus Army”?

riverrider January 16, 2013 at 7:08 pm

yep!

SW January 16, 2013 at 3:34 pm

Only thing that’s gonna do is reduce or freedoms and the power of the resistance.

Mystery Guest January 16, 2013 at 3:47 pm

16,17 and 20 are a little more than fuzzy. And what the heck does 22 mean?
My doctor had better never ask me if I have guns in or out of the house. It is none of his business. That means a lot more than what it states.
Remember the man that went to the doctor with chest pain and the doctor decided he was suicidal?
So keep a tight lip when you go to the doctor.
Medical histories are going to cause problems. They will find some kind of condition to dis-allow having a gun.
This mental health study is a sham. But watch more catagories under it as mental. As the term will become broader and used to tag you. Anxiety, depression, panic attacks you name it is fair game.
And the disabled were already mentioned. Just what disabilities? Someone in a coma? Or someone——-What?????
They are going through the back door and seem to think we are to dense to see it.
All in all this has caused all guns to be registered. So now they will really keep tabs on where the guns are.
Mums the word, OPSEC is demanded, watch your back, and trust no one.
Makes me sick!!!!!

SW January 16, 2013 at 5:39 pm

“Remember the man that went to the doctor with chest pain and the doctor decided he was suicidal?”

You must be referring to DSarti1 on youtube. He was also in the first season of Doomsday Preppers. Hmmmm wonder if there is a kooweenkiedink.

Mystery Guest January 16, 2013 at 6:28 pm

SW
Yes I was talking about him but didn’t want to bandy his handle around to much,

Alittle2late January 16, 2013 at 5:46 pm

Yep backdoor politics at it’s best. Unfortunately there are a lot of dense sheeple in this country. They will read these and say that isn’t so bad. I have no idea what any of it means, so that =’s bad news in my book. Kinda like the whole pass the bill to find out whats in it strategy.

tommy2rs January 16, 2013 at 5:55 pm

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

(Getting my Russian accent on….ahem)
In Soviet Russia this means saying critics are mentally ill and putting them mental institution in Northern Resource Area (Siberia). Indefinitely.

Mystery Guest January 16, 2013 at 6:30 pm

tommy2r’s
Well seems 1-23 meant the same. They are going to go the mental route.
So seems the back door is to the mental ward.

lauri January 16, 2013 at 8:07 pm

i’m a lot worried about anti depression meds question
if some one in your house is on them ? do you feel like harming yourself ??? FLAG goes up does anyone have weapons in your home that you might have access too?? name turned in !! you just made the list threw the backdoor
thanks md for this site and the pack you’re all so wise

JP in MT January 16, 2013 at 8:34 pm

lauri:

They ask if “do you feel suicidal?”. They have never asked if “Do you feel homicidal?”

OhioPrepper January 17, 2013 at 12:21 am

How about a woman who tells her doctor she plans to kill a child the next day. I’m betting that no one will try and stop the abortion.

georgeislearning January 16, 2013 at 3:48 pm

Seems to sound ok to me. With some questions on the following:

Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. (how does one maximize efforts to prevent gun violence and what does this mean)

Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence. (not exactly sure where this could lead)

Nominate an ATF director. (wait we don’t have someone leading the ATF?)

Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes. ( if I goto the doctor for a stomach ache, what does the doctor need to know about any guns I may or may not own) ( On the same token if I goto the doctor complaining of hearing voices in my head then I think its an ok question to ask) So need a bit of work on when its correct to ask someone about guns when going to the doctor.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations. ( this could present a bit of a issue as what makes someone have a mental health issue and could normal activities as in someone hates the government make then mentally ill. I guess we’ll see on this.

Not sure time will tell, we’ll have to watch real close. They’re snakes imo

Aunt B January 16, 2013 at 5:25 pm

George, It’s them evil guns! Now they’re even making people sick….so sick they have to go to the doctor!! Glad I won’t allow them in my house.:-D

georgeislearning January 16, 2013 at 6:51 pm

I don’t blame you I wouldn’t allow no stinken doctor in my house either. nasty greedy womanizers the lot of em.

tommy2rs January 16, 2013 at 6:26 pm

January 2011
Congress changed the law in 2006 to require that directors of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives receive Senate confirmation. Since then, there has been no confirmed director. All have been acting. During the George W. Bush administration, ATF’s acting director was a commuter: Michael Sullivan was trying to run the agency, while also serving as the U.S. attorney in Boston.

The Obama White House did not nominate a director, Andrew Traver, until 23 months into the administration. Officials say a major problem was finding someone who would take the job. Several people, who were approached, said they did not want to get caught up in a confirmation process that would be long and tortured, these officials say. Others said even if they could get confirmed, they thought being ATF director would be a career-killer, given that the agency’s powers are constantly in danger of being reduced in the face of aggressive lobbying by the National Rifle Association, administration officials say.

Traver, a career agent and chief of the agency’s Chicago office, was quickly opposed by the NRA, dooming his prospects for confirmation.
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/01/12/5823724-obama-nominates-atf-director-bureau-without-one-for-four-years?lite

Thank you NRA and please don’t flinch now.

georgeislearning January 16, 2013 at 6:54 pm

While we’re all watching this gun “control” debate which I still is all about bullet placement and has nothing to do with laws. I wonder what these government snakes are doing over “there” while we all look over “here” .

Filthy pukes.

Aunt B January 16, 2013 at 7:22 pm

+1

tommy2rs January 16, 2013 at 8:05 pm

While Obama postured, Americans and others were being taken hostage in Algeria.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/americans-held-hostage-al-qaeda-algeria/story?id=18229633

Dean in Michigan January 16, 2013 at 3:56 pm

I don’t have a problem with background checks. If someone does something in their past that puts them on a list that says they should not or can’t own a gun, then that’s their problem, not mine.

The problem I have is that they now have an “increased ability” to pry into other peoples affairs. I’m willing to bet that once some of these rules go into play, some of those prying eyes will take it to a place it “supposedly” wasn’t meant for. Then the REAL purpose of the new rules will show their ugly face.

SW January 16, 2013 at 5:49 pm

“I don’t have a problem with background checks. If someone does something in their past that puts them on a list that says they should not or can’t own a gun, then that’s their problem, not mine.”

Unless of course being a prepper and patriot puts you on that list.

tommy2rs January 16, 2013 at 6:02 pm

Don’t worry, the American Gestapo have it all under control. It’s even trademarked. “If You See Something, Say Something™” campaign. Rat your neighbors out if they tick you off. Yes little ones, come to the dark side, we have cookies.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/dhs-expand-and-formalize-coordination-gun-control-efforts_696127.html

PGCPrepper January 16, 2013 at 6:37 pm

I got in some trouble at 16. They tried me as an adult for B&E of my own high school. I enlisted in the Army…trained on the M16…got my undergrad in business…served as a Drill Sergeant…earned an appointment as a warrant officer therefore converted to side arm…served in 2d ID in Korea under General Franks…worked at the pentagon in the Inspector General’s Office exactly where the 911 plane flew into the E-Ring and retired with 22 years of honorable service.

I can’t buy a weapon unless personal or gun show. Funny, it was so long ago I didn’t know I was tried as an adult and when I tried to purchase a weapon for the first time two years ago I filled out the form thinking there was nothing to prohibit purchase. Thought I was tried as a juvenile. I was denied and an LEO presented his self at my door ready to haul me off in handcuffs. I had already procured my info from my hometown in NC and got to entertain him for an hour before convincing him that it was inadvertent. I was 16 for gawd’s sake. I grew up rough; two brothers murdered even. But my life is squeaky clean since. One reason I enlisted in the military was to escape my environment. I eventually had a top secret clearance at the Pentagon but can’t purchase a weapon from a shop. But my wife can. :-)

I know I can get my bureaucracy on and request expungement of my record but just trying to make a point without writing 10K words.

JP in MT January 16, 2013 at 8:28 pm

PGCPrepper:

Your situation is not common but I have seen similar situations. There are ways to correct your situation, as you know. Yours is another example of how the system should work, but is lacking the reward. You turned things around, so this should not be an issue. Our system, unfortunately, does not have a readily available remedy solution written into the law. We are quick to write laws to punish the offenders, but slow to reward those who make an appropriate change.

PGCPrepper January 16, 2013 at 9:36 pm

Yes, my point is the system, no matter how well intentioned, is a farce. You see, no matter how the libs try to legislate there will be unintended consequences. My whole life has been a challenge due to judgments made by others due to my one mistake at 16 and the family that I was born into. Administrators cannot forego a one time mistake at 16 whilst I am now 54 and had an honorable and highly rewarded 22 year career while at one time managing a billion dollar budget at some entity within the pentagon with a top secret clearance.

On the brighter side, working within the Government and noting the stupidity and inefficiencies within has made me the fiscal conservative I am today. I could tell you stories you would not believe but that’s an aside. God bless

NANN! January 17, 2013 at 11:29 pm

PGCPrepper, my ex experienced something similar. Same charges, though he was charged as a juvenile and records were sealed….UNTIL he applied for his CCW permit. B&E at 16 (vacant cabin), then USMC, but then they unseal records when he wanted his permit??

Millie in KY January 17, 2013 at 2:16 pm

PGC prepper, you sound like a fine human being now, knew what was going on in your youth was wrong and made it right. take care of those records. God knows what is being planned. You did good, kid. Keep doing it….

PGCPrepper January 17, 2013 at 2:48 pm

Thank you Mill. As I say, I played the hand I was dealt. I wish others would do the same in lieu of making excuses for their predicament but the world is different now. Now it’s my fault I have money and not forfeiting it to the Government’s inefficiencies. BTW, when I see a pan handler, I always have a dollar to give. An ex-girlfriend asked me why I do that with the typical argument that they are just going to buy cigarettes or alcohol with it. So lame. My answer is that they have to answer to God for what they do but I have to answer to God for what I do.

My father wanted to beat me with a belt because I spilled some milk when pouring milk in my sugar pops when I was 15. I ran away from home and hitch hiked to Myrtle Beach, SC and bummed nickels for two months before getting arrested. I needed those nickels for a package of marlboros first and a corn dog second. I don’t judge for the sake of being greedy.

GomeznSA January 16, 2013 at 8:36 pm

Background checks ALREADY exist – particularly if you try to obtain a concealed carry permit/license (whatever your state calls it). That is also true when you purchase a firearm (Form 4473). If your name is on a prohibited person list (like say a conviction under the lautenberg amendment) you already prohibited from owning firearms. Not trying to ‘lecture’ – merely inform. You are spot on regarding the “increased ability to pry into other peoples affairs.” THAT is the problem with some of these proposals.

Hunker-Down January 16, 2013 at 4:13 pm

I’m sure there are other issues that will diminish our freedom but 2 jump out at me. Numbers 16 and 17 are SNITCH LAWS.
If someone in your house, or someone who may be incorporated into your domicile in the future is found to be ‘wacky’, all the firearms in your home or ranch or outbuildings may be confiscated to keep people like Pelosi and Reed and TDL (who are surrounded by gun toting bodyguards) safe from your ‘family’.

This is a well trod path, smoothed out by Stalin, Hitler Pol Pot, etc.

Ann Coulter, on the Hannity show (on Fox News) gave a compelling argument as to why a mom at home with kids NEEDS a 15 round magazine.

All the showmanship crap on this issue is not targeted at protecting children, it is directed at splitting the republican party into smaller and smaller pieces. Children, the pawns in this spat, are being herded into gun free zones (except where local laws allow ‘good’ shooters with a gun’) where evil can kill more of them with three 7 cartridge magazines and one gun. Not only can politicians not think, they cant count.

We need less that 1500 signatures to poke the hypocrites in the eye.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/eliminate-armed-guards-president-vice-president-and-their-families-and-establish-gun-free-zones/6RDGkxLK

tommy2rs January 16, 2013 at 5:45 pm

White House now requires ‘We the People’ petitions to have 100,000 signatures for official response.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/16/white-house-now-requires-we-the-people-petitions-to-have-100000-signatures-for-official-response/

M.D. Creekmore January 16, 2013 at 6:01 pm

tommy2rs,

Yep, and they still could not care less… what a joke.

tommy2rs January 16, 2013 at 6:06 pm

It always was nothing more than letters to the editor. Smoke and mirrrors, bread and circuses to cloud the mind and make the people think they had a voice.

SW January 16, 2013 at 6:16 pm

Yep… a complete joke. Loved this quote from the article.

The new 100,000-signature threshold follows a series of provocative, awkward or embarrassing petitions, some of which attracted enough signatures to meet the threshold set by Obama for getting a formal White House response.

Usage of the petition site has spiked since the election, partly because more than 600,000 people have signed various secession petitions.

SW January 16, 2013 at 5:57 pm

Sadly I have found that petitioning the govt doesn’t do any good. They’ll just say no and that’s the end of it. They really DONT CARE what we think and the “we the people” website is just window dressing.

NANN! January 17, 2013 at 11:31 pm

You’re right SW. Maybe they’re just gathering names?

Hunker-Down January 16, 2013 at 8:58 pm

Instead of saying what not to do, how about a proactive suggestion?

george January 16, 2013 at 4:35 pm

Looks like the Potus and Gov of NY think all of us are way better shots than we are. Limit magazines to 10 and 7 shots how many times did that lady last week in GA shoot her home intruder??? She had a revolver and unloaded it on him and he still ran away!!! God forbid he had an armed partner in the next room! The family might be dead, if it was my family I would much rather her have an automatic with 13,15 or 17 rounds than just 6. We all know that you can be a great shot at the range but when it becomes real you don’t shoot the same unless you are Very skilled and experienced.

Millie in KY January 17, 2013 at 2:19 pm

George, I have wondered what size her pistol was. .22? Is there a smaller one?

maddie January 17, 2013 at 8:58 pm

She had a 38

JP in MT January 16, 2013 at 5:19 pm

I figured out a way to do :back ground” checks on private sales without violating personal privacy laws. Currently working on a “suggestion” to our “senior” Senator and since his is a long term Democrat this might get him some brownie points with the PTB.

OhioPrepper January 17, 2013 at 12:28 am

JP,
SImple enough if your state has a concealed carry license. Just showing it should be proof enough.

JP in MT January 17, 2013 at 1:49 pm

OhioPrepper:

It is that way here too. However, not everyone has access to CCW’s nor desires one. My idea would work for anyone who wanted a firearm.

Alittle2late January 16, 2013 at 5:31 pm

They all seem very vague. Which can only mean trouble for US.

Oldokie January 16, 2013 at 5:49 pm

23 Executive Orders plus whatever the Congress comes up with. That should be enough to stop ALL gun violence! I didn’t have the time to watch Obummer’s entire talk(wouldn’t have had the stomach for it anyway) but did get to see a short clip. All these actions will do nothing to reduce violent crime but will go a long way in disarming law abiding citizens. Yes, some of the 23 orders are just to make it look like something is being done but others are outright nazi like. Watch the other hand folks! He’s a master at this kind of thing. Just wait and see what comes out of DC the next time a big shooting occurs. I pray there are enough Congressmen and Senators with a backbone that will fight this stuff.

axelsteve January 18, 2013 at 12:54 am

I noticed nothing was mentioned about black on black crimes. Also border control or hollywood.Also gangs and drugs.

recoveringidiot January 16, 2013 at 5:51 pm

They would love to classify firearm ownership as a mental condition all by itself. Idiots already call us crazy for fighting for our God given rights. Incrementally taking small bites out of us is the progressive way. Obama care is the vehicle they will use to finish us off in the long run. I do believe the gun control screaming and shouting is more of a diversion (look a squirrel!) to keep us from paying attention to how they are robbing us all blind with “quantitative easing”.

Southern Blonde January 16, 2013 at 5:53 pm

How about a Task Force to eliminate GANGS? How about addressing the national DRUG problem? These two issues lead to robberies, burglaries and murder. Statistically, that is where most gun violence and murders happen! Both shootings in Aurora and Newtown were from “nutcases”, but they are with us and hiding in plain sight. Don’t make a gun control legislation for the nutcases–let’s just arm security guards in school. Don’t take our guns away because of the nutcases, address the real problem with GANGS and DRUG related crimes. We want the government to keep track our guns? How well did they keep track of the guns in Fast and Furious?

Alittle2late January 16, 2013 at 6:15 pm

The WAR on drugs has been an on going money pit with no positive results for a very long time. Kinda like our troops in Afghanistan and all the other stans we are in.

riverrider January 16, 2013 at 7:19 pm

ltl, intel says we are in 31 AFRICAN countries. i didn’t know there WERE 31 african countries, doh!

Alittle2late January 16, 2013 at 8:41 pm

Me either, and geography was one of my better subjects. Then again high school was 20 years ago.

JP in MT January 17, 2013 at 1:51 pm

RR:

Starting in the mid-70′s you needed to buy a new globe every 2-3 years, just to keep track of Africa. Then the Soviet Union went. It’s still takes me some time when they talk about a country over there and I have to try to figure out where it is.

tommy2rs January 16, 2013 at 8:21 pm

It would probably be cheaper for the government to go into the drug business rather than to fight it. Give the druggies all the drugs they want for free, feed ‘em, house ‘em and cremate ‘em as they OD. Detroit would be a good place to use, given it’s current condition as a wasteland and body dumping site. Might even come out ahead on the deal.

Sw't Tater January 17, 2013 at 3:48 pm

Soon the drug problem will be identified as a medication problem…and those with any health condition which requires ‘pills’ to control blood pressure, triglycerides, fibromyalgia and nerve pain…will have more and more hoops to jump thru..it will increase to the point monthly visits are too expensive for the system to bear, medications will be reduced until the state decides they are no longer effective citizens and they give an intentional overdose “to stop the suffering”…this has already been done….Don’t say that doesn’t happen here…
I know of a child born and about 10 days old, sent home to die…Dr. ordered the nurse to give a 6 lb child, 10 mg of IM morphine for pain at discharge. parent refused, because they perceived no pain…rightly so. Child did die, but had some craddling with family members for several days.

SW January 16, 2013 at 6:32 pm

That would be common sense and sense aint all that common in politicians.

wilson January 16, 2013 at 9:30 pm

I thought the War on Drugs was to eliminate the government’s competition.

axelsteve January 16, 2013 at 9:31 pm

Kinda funny how fort hood was workplace violence

Papabear January 16, 2013 at 11:29 pm

How many perscription drugs are the politicians on? Say, Jesse Jackson Jr, Pelosi, Patric Kennedy or Reid?

Any guns in the house? Let’s see… staple gun, paint gun…

riverrider January 17, 2013 at 9:36 am

pelosi HAS to be on anti-rejection drugs to keep her face from being rejected by her body. the rest must be in tdl’s “shroom club”. google it:)

JP in MT January 17, 2013 at 1:52 pm

RR:

It’s not working!

WYO Ryder January 17, 2013 at 8:30 pm

LOL!!!
Reminiscent of a wax museum figure

axelsteve January 18, 2013 at 12:56 am

I own 2 grease guns, 3 caulking guns, and 2 1/2 inch tire guns.

JP in MT January 18, 2013 at 12:15 pm

Axelsteve:

ARSENAL!!!!!!!!!!!!

OhioPrepper January 18, 2013 at 6:48 pm

axelsteve,
I assume you’re talking about real grease and not the WW II M3 open bolt one, although the later would be cool, LOL.

maddie January 17, 2013 at 9:00 pm

That’s why I really like #9 and #10. (with sarcasm!) Maybe that means that the DOJ is finally going to take ownership of Fast and Furious and give the Terry family some peace. Yea, right.

Southern Blonde January 16, 2013 at 6:00 pm

Also, i am reading between the lines and i have a feeling they will create a database for who owns what guns. Right now it is against the law, BUT ANYTHING can happen. A former president said, “The people will get the government they deserve”. Can’t remember who said that—but so very true!

Rob in Ontario January 17, 2013 at 1:28 am

Canada just threw out its laws on trying to register all its long guns they said would cost $2 million ended up costing $2 billion and NO not all guns were registered I know some freinds only did a few and hid others just imagine the US gov’t trying to do something with the population 10 times Canada’s

MSgt January 16, 2013 at 6:01 pm

It has always been hard for most veterans to seek help when dealing with mental health issues. How many do you think will ask for help now?

BlueCaribDreams January 17, 2013 at 1:56 am

As a wounded Veteran, I had a hard time asking for help, but I did. It has helped me but now I am starting to regret that decision.

B Co. 2/502 IN, 101st ABN… Iraq, 2003

worrisome January 17, 2013 at 11:29 am

I can understand why.

SW January 17, 2013 at 4:55 pm

Thanks for standing up for this country… it’s a shame what this country is now doing that makes that sacrifice seem somewhat worthless. In another few years we’ll be no better than Russia, China, or N. Korea.

SW January 16, 2013 at 6:08 pm

Not that I put much stock in poles… here is one currently running on yahoo.

Do you support President Obama’s plan to curb gun violence?

Yes, it’s what’s needed. 33%
No, there aren’t enough restrictions. 9%
No, there are too many restrictions. 59%

Repair mama January 16, 2013 at 6:32 pm

Well, I think that the TDL is full of crap!
I dont like what he is doing, it is not right to take the guns from law abiding citizens. If they do, the only ones left are the bad guys. I would rather sit in a theater with 50 law abiding people that are carrying than to go with 50 that are not. If all hell breaks loose I know someone will take out the bad guy. I would feel safer with people carrying than to be in a gun free zone.

I have done a little bit of reading and have found out that in my state that I can get a ccw permit with out owning a hand gun. I also found out that I do not have to register my handgun when I purchase one.
AND>>>>>> THE BEST PART!!!!!……..My DH and I are planning a trip to a dealer for me to pick one out!!!!!!!!!!
I got to go inline last night and look at some. right in front of him. we even talked about where to go. I looked more online today and found a place 1.5 hrs away that had some that you could price online and asked him about one that I had seen. Tiny .380. He said “we are gonna get you a real one. That thing is a damn toy” so it is gonna be a 9mm or 45 for the repair mama!!!!!
This is huge for my non prepping DH! Thanks to Obama and his stupid cronnies, he is upset and I jumped all over it. I will get my permit, I will carry it every day! I will not be a damn statistic in one of their stupid studies.
Thanks guys for letting me get all excited. I finally have faith that this is really gonna happen.
We all have to stick together.
Have a great night.

riverrider January 16, 2013 at 7:17 pm

good luck. call ahead to make sure they have it.

Repair Mama January 16, 2013 at 10:46 pm

River,
He does not want me to get the tiny 380, he wants us to go where I can handle some and choose the one that fits my hand well and that I will like to carry. I have hunted up another place 1 hr away that has an indoor range, so I can try some out! I am soooo excited!
I have not been on a range in over 20 years. I took training in my former state then and I was a damn good shot! I will not leave the place without one if I can help it. I am afraid my window is starting to close and starting this with an ammo shortage going on. This sucks.

I really hope the greatest gun salesman obama does not get the sales commision from my purchase

worrisome January 17, 2013 at 11:28 am

Repair Mama, going to a range, trying out a few guns, making sure it is easy for you to use and that you can physically handle it without difficulty is important. Glad your hubby has seen the light and helping you with this………..hope he gets one too.

OhioPrepper January 18, 2013 at 12:29 am

Repair Mama,
Great idea. Many ranges have guns you can rent, and often the money spent can be applied to one if you purchase it. It’s always a good idea to try the gun for fit, feel, and recoil before committing to owning it. In our pistol classes we try to have a large selection for folks to handle, for that reason.

SW January 16, 2013 at 7:26 pm

Congrats on taking steps to ensure your own saftey.

Repair Mama January 16, 2013 at 10:49 pm

I guess I will hve to move the pig sticker over in the service truck and the extra long screwdriver over in my personal truck. I refuse to be a victim.
And besides, never know when there will be a snake or some eat your ass wild critter in my path. (2 legged or 4 legged)
I do live in rual area ya know!

JP in MT January 16, 2013 at 8:31 pm

Repair mama:

Congrats on the new gun!

Mark up another sale for “Gun Salesman of the Year”!

Alittle2late January 16, 2013 at 8:47 pm

As screwed up as Pa. is, our ccw laws are similar and very easy to obtain a permit.

MikeM January 16, 2013 at 6:37 pm

You don’t put much stock in Poles? Look at the way they band together to help someone in trouble:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vYZPhdqrUc

How many Polish racing fans does it take to push a car out of a puddle?

Sorry, I personally am a typo machine and a spelling disaster, but I really got a smile thinking of a “Pole” running on yahoo and thought someone else might also.

Keep it dry…

SW January 16, 2013 at 7:27 pm

It’s all good. I noticed the error after I hit submit… then it was too late.

tommy2rs January 16, 2013 at 6:38 pm

If a doctor ask about guns tell him “I had to sell them to afford Obamacare”.

SW January 16, 2013 at 7:27 pm

Love it.

Mari January 16, 2013 at 7:43 pm

Gosh, once Obamacare kicks in, there won’t be so many doctors left in practice anyway. Oh, the brand new PA will ask.

Mystery Guest January 17, 2013 at 8:53 am

Tommy2rs
Tell a doctor nothing. Only tell him what is the reason you are in to see him.
Do not volunteer any information at all. Even if asked.

MENTALMATT January 16, 2013 at 6:43 pm

What in the hell, if anyone here already hasnt please join the NRA, hell I signed up my twins, guess that makes me a bad parent. does anyone here know about the Gun Owners of America, and are they worth joining.

riverrider January 16, 2013 at 7:15 pm

matt, YES!! and they will rep you in court if you get a bogus gun charge. they don’t have the political clout of the nra, but they are not as taboo for dems either. lots of le/competition members. i need to re-up.

maddie January 17, 2013 at 9:08 pm

I’m a GOA memnber, and they are very good. Not as well known as NRA, but do a good job. riverrider said it, too, that they will help you out if you need it.

cowboy January 16, 2013 at 7:04 pm

I watched his show and it made me sick. The next thing you ‘ll know well have to say is ” HAIL OBAMA “. I ‘ m watching the country I served get torn apart and it hurts God bless Cowboy

Alittle2late January 16, 2013 at 8:57 pm

This is what happens to us when a president gets elected that never served his country!!! No respect for the sacrifices we made.
Semper Fi

worrisome January 16, 2013 at 11:10 pm

+ 100!!!!!

cowboy January 16, 2013 at 11:36 pm

Ooorah!! SEMPER FI Well put Cowboy

wicked props January 16, 2013 at 7:06 pm

COME ON, we all are for gun control…
without gun control, how are we supposed to hit our targets and defend ourselves?
Ok, I hope that wasnt too tasteless.
this whole thing stinks like an evil and wicked wind blowing our way.
no pun intended(I love halloween).
obummer crys vilify from the republicans yet he does it to the men and women who served. this angers me. and to say that vets need to be screened! screw those commies. giving guns to mexican drug lords? theyneed mental screening and a test on the Constitution. fail and be “detained” under the ndaa for “how ever long it takes”.
this crap is one of the first steps, a real shit storm is coming our way…

riverrider January 16, 2013 at 7:12 pm

hr-142, bans online ammo sales. sellers must keep records, over 1k rounds in a month seller has to report you to the gestapo, i mean atf. call, email, whatever your rep again with hr142 in the subject line. hurry!

SW January 16, 2013 at 7:29 pm

No.. you had it right the first time!

Mari January 16, 2013 at 7:56 pm

Today I sent new letters to NJ’s leftie Senators. Really ramped it up and let them know what I really thought of all this idiocy and hysteria in their ranks and by their beloved’s admin.

Next up is the states. It would be ROFLOL after reading the NJ list of proposals if it weren’t so sick. NJ’s politicians apparently don’t have anything else to do besides looking and acting like fools. The average child appears to have more sense. They’ll get my letters tomorrow. Not that they’ll do any good.

God bless WY and TX.

axelsteve January 18, 2013 at 12:59 am

Kinda funny how they always wanna shut down legal busnesses. the online ammo sales.They do everything to discourage commerce.

wicked props January 16, 2013 at 7:21 pm

on another thought, we need a background check and a mental screening to buy a gun. but You dont need one to run the country? wtf!

SW January 16, 2013 at 9:15 pm

You forgot to add… and being in charge of pushing the BIG RED BUTTON!

worrisome January 16, 2013 at 11:09 pm

Or the small red buttons on all the killing he has authorized with drones

Repair Mama January 16, 2013 at 10:52 pm

or for welfare mommas to have more kids for us to support!

Sw't Tater January 17, 2013 at 3:58 pm

even both your parents don”t have to love this country to be president…that means everyone is @ least as qualified…just judging from the most recent selection of candidates… maybe we can find someone that can make a budget that is responsible as well as being both logical and truthful.

Rick January 16, 2013 at 7:30 pm

If they were truly serious about reducing gun violence in the cities and preventing loose cannons from falling down, here’s a possible solution:

Jobs. Jobs in the inner cities, good-paying jobs that give those kids real hope about their future. Give them a tangible option other than hanging on the corner with guys names “G” and “Killa”, something more than selling crack and weed to the wealthy white hypocrites from the suburbs or poisoning themselves or their neighbors.
Restore discipline in the schools. For a couple decades now, we have been forced to watch while the Flower Power generation performed their social experiment that has produced 50+% failure rates, kids who don’t know how to properly socialize with others, bullying, and general mayhem because the little darlings know that no one can tell them what to do and they’ll still get everything they want.
I’d start with jobs first. If they want to blow tons of money on infrastructure, they can start with our failed industries. Steel, coal, manufacturing. Take that away from our “good buddies” the Chinese. That’s how I’d start, if I had any say in this spitting match.

Sw't Tater January 17, 2013 at 4:04 pm

They took God out of schools…and He left….why should anyone think they would act like anything but animals. In every k-12 grade they press the idea that we are just animals.
The law of reaping and sowing does not change. We will reap what we have sown.
In this society, they plant thorns and thistles and expect to harvest barley and oats. It just does not happen that way.

Mari January 18, 2013 at 12:51 pm

Can’t & won’t do that because certain politicians (and their agendas) would lose the votes. Gotta keep the folks down, while promising to keep the freebies flowing. Small wonder the # of gang bangers and wannabees keeps increasing.

MENTALMATT January 16, 2013 at 7:45 pm

Riverrider, done deal, I’m joining them to!

MENTALMATT January 16, 2013 at 7:50 pm

Riverrider, $20.00, well spent, already done, thanx

Repair Mama January 16, 2013 at 10:53 pm

Is that all it cost to join NRA?
Hell, I need to load up the green dot and give them a call!

worrisome January 17, 2013 at 11:24 am

Repair Mama I think they even have a $10 fee, the $20 fee is for the “other” one……..can’t think of the name at the moment.

Ron January 16, 2013 at 8:31 pm

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

Step 1. Do not resist and Do not panic. You might piss off the wacko or hurt yourself or others if you scream, shout, and run about.
Step 2. Stay calm. Stand up. Arrange yourself in alphabetical order based upon your last name. Lie face down flat on floor with hands over your head. This makes the coroners job and clean up easier.

Rider of Rohan January 16, 2013 at 9:44 pm

I almost fell out laughing at your comment, but then I realized how true it is, and almost cried instead. I keep thinking I’m going to wake up and all this crap will be a bad dream.

GomeznSA January 16, 2013 at 8:52 pm

M.D. – thanks for posting this – the more exposure that this semi-innocuous list gets the easier it is to debunk the individual items.
But could you please ask everyone to quit using the totally inaccurate term “gun violence”. There is no such thing, violence is something done by (in)human beings – guns are inanimate objects that CANNOT commit any act – either for good or evil. The hoplophobes have for far too long gotten away with defining the terms (like ‘assault weapons) which allows them to control the discussion. Thanks.

Alittle2late January 16, 2013 at 10:21 pm

Well I’m going to try another ave. of approach. I’m gonna write a letter to the Commandant of the Marine Corps and see what kind of response I get from his office. I know he took the same Oath I did. This is really starting to piss me off! Any of you other Vets feel like getting on another LIST? Contact you respected Branch of service and see where they are standing in this giant shit storm. Let me know what you think of this idea.

worrisome January 16, 2013 at 11:06 pm

They may not feel.that it is time to tip their hat. Which means they aren’t going to say much of anything?

riverrider January 17, 2013 at 9:45 am

roger that. had a talk with a friend in high places last night. so far he’s of the mind to wait it out, see how it goes, meanwhile he’s digging in a 20′ conex behind his house. yup, i created another prepper:)

Repair Mama January 16, 2013 at 10:56 pm

Oh crap, I was just thinking of something that I heard this morning while listening to the talking heads on the news this morning. someone said something about no guns with in 1000 ft of a school. Now I have a problem. I live within 1000ft of my son’s school. my personal property is within that zone. How might this affect me if they do this??

Perrin January 16, 2013 at 10:57 pm

I’ll address the EO’s that I think I can validly weigh in on. Sorry, but this will probably be a long post.


2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

HIPAA, as the acronym is made in the above statement, is to prevent the violation of one’s privacy by other parties. What this EO can do is completely open your medical records to the government to allow them to search for anything they deem worthy of weighing in on your legal right to own a firearm.

We can say that no one wants a paranoid schizophrenic to own a firearm. However, there is a grey area when it comes to diagnosing many of the psychiatric illnesses that plague people. Who diagnosed this person with a particular disorder? Was it a board certified psychiatrist after many counseling sessions with that person? The majority of psychiatric diagnoses are made this way.

These many different psych diagnoses mean different things. It is these details that I don’t trust the government to distinguish between. Example; As an ER doc, I frequently see patients who have feelings of depression. They may have lost their job, a loved one, their house, or be in a bad relationship. With the assistance of a psychiatrist, I may diagnose that person with situational depression or a depressed mood. What person hasn’t felt depressed after a losing a loved one or close friend? I know I have.

The problem arises in that this diagnosis is now part of the patient’s permanent medical record. They were evaluated and diagnosed with situational depression after their husband, wife, or child died. What does the government do with this information? Where do the bureaucrats draw the line for allowing firearm ownership? They will take the simple and straightforward method of grouping anyone who has been diagnosed with any sort of depression into the ‘non-allowable’ group.

So now you, after your spouse dies of a long battle with cancer, come to the doctor and say that you’ve been feeling depressed lately. You can’t get much sleep. Your normal pastimes don’t seem to bring you any enjoyment. Your doc diagnoses you with situational depression. You go to a few outpatient grief counseling sessions and you eventually return to your normal self. A few years later, you find a great deal on that handgun you have always wanted. You fill out all of the paperwork, but your NICS is denied. Why? Well, the FBI/ATF see that you were diagnosed with a mental illness years ago and that group of people aren’t allowed to own firearms. Nevermind that your situational depression was a normal emotional response to grief. You are forever marked with the scarlet letter in a gov’t database.

Now, imagine the situation where people are afraid of admitting to any symptoms of depression to their doctor. They are afraid of being labeled with any form of depression, lest the gov’t deem them unfit to own any firearm again. The doctor-patient relationship has become adversarial due to gov’t regulation. A group of people who may benefit from medical intervention, be it counseling or medical therapy, will never receive it.

People who may have returned to their normal lives are now left adrift to deal with their depression on their own. No counseling. No peer support. No medication. Anyone care to guess what can happen to someone who is depressed, but without any counseling, support, or medical treatment?

This person may end up being the one who instigates the next cycle of media hysteria fueled gov’t intrusions. Unintended Consequences indeed…

Mystery Guest January 17, 2013 at 9:13 am

Perrin
Some depression can be fought. Such as the blues, feeling sorry for yourself, loss of job, etc. so on and so forth. And remember we are a feel good society. You have to make yourself happy, content.
One has to start using ones common sense and God given smarts.
If it is even chemical one can find ways of some correction.
Check into herbs. They are not a cure all, and they work slower, but once a program is started it will make a difference. Herbs will not give you the high of feeling like the world is perfect, but it will ease off a lot of the problems.
I know that herbs work on chemical inbalances as a relative used them for harmone imbalance. They were a raging bull. The only problem was they did no further research to see if they could find more to help.
We are an over medicated society. And they are not going to change the way they treat the patients.
And I would start not going to the doctor for every sneeze, cough or whatever. We need to build up a natural resistance to a lot of things that we tend to over medicate.
You have to remember that those that do these shootings all though they do have some kind of mental problem of sorts or whatever, they are practicing what FREUD (spelling) taught, “Do what makes you feel good”.

worrisome January 17, 2013 at 11:22 am

Perrin a good comment and so very on target for this set of exec orders. The problem with all of this are the unintended consequences of every knee jerk and hair brained idea the Feds want to dish out. And to leave this to a dr. to try to determine whether someone is a danger to themselves or others is just passing the liability around. Short term, guards in the schools………….Long term, less violence in movies, television shows, video and computer games. More support for the mentally ill, including more and better places to harbor them, so they aren’t left as adults to be out there amongst us. And a lot more education about mental diseases.

SW January 17, 2013 at 5:19 pm

Thanks for the post. I can say you hit at least one nail on the head…

…The doctor-patient relationship has become adversarial due to gov’t regulation. A group of people who may benefit from medical intervention, be it counseling or medical therapy, will never receive it.

That’s exactly how Im feeling towards doctors now. They aren’t there to help me… they are the enemy. Anyone know of some excellent herbal and holestic medicine books.

JP in MT January 17, 2013 at 6:02 pm

SW:

As with most issues – “follow the money”. Most peoples loyalty is to who pays them. When the government’s incentives provide you with more income, or their “implied threats” for you to choose sides, few of us are immune to choosing the side that pays the most.

Big D January 17, 2013 at 12:18 am

uh…what? #16
Obamacare does exactly that,it expressly prohibits doctors from keeping or gathering information on guns. So they push through an illegal,unconstitutional bill,without ‘voting on it’,that we don’t want…only to issue an illegal,unconstitutional ‘order’ that contradicts the rules in the first bill?!
None of these ‘orders’ or proposed laws would have done anything to save any child at Newtown.Nothing about making the schools safer,nothing about making our children safer.They don’t have the money for it?…that never stopped them before,or did they use it all up on their pay raises last week.My 4 year old daughter’s ‘classroom’ is a trailer sitting in the parking lot, it couldn’t stop a BB gun…their plan in an emergency?…hide in the bathroom!And you better not suggest armed guards or even mention ‘gun’ on school property,les you wanna go to jail.
Just a few months ago the supreme court upheld the second amendment and they just ignore their rulings…sounds like treason!
Start enforcing the laws if not don’t make them.
Heard a lefty today respond to the NRA ad saying that it’s ok for the presidents kids to have armed guards because ‘theyr’e more important than your kids’!!
Oh we will just take guns away from ‘sick’ and ‘mentally ill’,then they’ll find someone to say your ill,divide and conquer.
When they came for the Jews I didn’t speak up…I’m not Jewish.
When they came for the Catholics I didn’t speak up…I’m not Catholic.
When they came for the blacks I didn’t speak up… I’m not black.
When they came for the gays I didn’t speak up…I’m not gay.
When they came for ME…nobody was left to speak up for me!

Sw't Tater January 17, 2013 at 4:20 pm

Home school! then you control the safety and curriculum. it also cuts your necessary expenses, over a year.No special uniforms, only one set of materials. your choice in reading materials-can monitor language exposure. when my child got into head start she came home the first day with three new words- none of which were suitable for an adult- never mind a 4 year old.
I have been there!….I played that game until the system determined she had failed third grade- 6 weeks into the school year.I determined if that was their only comment, I couldn’t hurt.. her education and her chances for a better life…..so I checked my options and availed myself of resources required to address the severe dyslexia- they had not attempted to address.she is now 28, a high school graduate, She reads for fun… has taken college courses to completion. she refuses to be labeled disabled…she just has to work harder than most.

Big D January 17, 2013 at 11:37 pm

Sw’t Tater,
we have looked into homeschooling,but it’s just not doable for us right now.But even so it seems like we are doing it,when the kids get home we hafta unteach what they’ve learned,guns are bad,there is no proof of God,Obama is great,the USA is a mean bully pushing the world around,my 15 year old daughter came home the 3rd day of school this year and told us that their homeroom teacher has them say the pledge of allegience in SPANISH!
It’s hard just trying to keep up with what the schools want,the way they teach is boring and as soon as the test is over the kids dump all they learned so they can keep up with the latest songs, gossip and movies.there is no emphasis on whats really important,no practical skills.
It’s great what you have been able to do with your daughter. I have a 3 year old little girl that is almost deaf,she can hear with hearing aids,and goes to a school for the deaf shes been doing really well. It’s easier to keep the younger ones focused when they listen better and have less distractions,the teens are tough though.

Big D January 17, 2013 at 12:20 am

Excuse me I hafta go write another check..to the NRA.

Big D January 17, 2013 at 12:33 am

Slightly off topic,I know a few people that live in NY state away from the big cities in the lake areas and they are not happy with the wonderful new gun laws,it seems that they don’t feel any safer?How can that be?
The geniuses that wrote/enacted the law seem to have forgotten something…the law doesn’t exempt police! So I guess they’ll be switching back to revolvers?

riverrider January 17, 2013 at 9:49 am

revolvers for police would be a good thing. when issued one back in ’88, i learned to HIT what i aimed at, not spray and pray the way they do now. i read about one “gunfight” where nypd shot 41 times and didn’t hit the perp, but hit a bystander instead. geesh!

Mari January 17, 2013 at 12:55 pm

#3 is downright bribery. Guess that’s what is meant by “transparency.”

JP in MT January 17, 2013 at 1:56 pm

For those of you out there who are not FFL holders, here’s a post from a blog in Montana who is an FFL holder and what the records process is:

http://commanderzero.com/blog/2013/01/10/neologism-gunfaced-4473-stuff/

This might answer some questions out there.

riverrider January 17, 2013 at 4:29 pm

jp, that is true until the gun dealer goes out of business, then he sends all his 4473′s to atf. that has happened all too often to me. i’d hate to see the dosier on me.

JP in MT January 17, 2013 at 5:47 pm

RR:

Before I got my CCL, after they got my Name, address, and SSN, if it took longer than 20 seconds to approve me, they were having computer problems. I think I was on the “what the hell, give him another one. Like one more is going to matter.”

Unfortunately, with the current economy, most of them are now gone. I have to satisfy myself with the old insurance photos.

OhioPrepper January 18, 2013 at 12:18 am

JP,
Interesting perspective from an FFL holder. In Montana and Texas, but unfortunately not here in Ohio (for the moment) they don’t need the NICS check with a valid CHL; here we still do, but the M&P22′s I picked up last week took less than 90 seconds total (including dialing the phone) for approval.
Unfortunateley, the one place where I think the FFL holder is incorrect, is if the ATF came in and collected all of the 4473′s. Todays scanning and OCR technology is very fast and accurate, and these things can be placed into a database pretty quickly; however, I still think most local LE will be unwilling to spend a lot of time helping them out.

JP in MT January 18, 2013 at 12:12 pm

OhioPrepper:

I has been my personal experience that the local LEO’s have nicely told BATF where they could file there “request for assistance” when they wanted a search of records done. That plus I believe we only have a handful of BATF people stationed here in Montana. Might have something to do with our gun to gun-violence victim ratio is so low it resembles the Marianna’s Trench. I reminded our Senators (both Democrats) to look at the area’s these “gun control enthusiasts” are from. If they, like me, didn’t like their environment, why would we want their rules?

MountainSurvivor January 17, 2013 at 9:22 pm

I wish the government the best of luck in trying to disarm Americans. Mental illness has not been proven to exist so mental health workers are not going to do well in helping to take away guns from those who have a supposed mental illness or someone in the home who has a supposed mental illness. There is too much talk about mentally ill people and that guns need to be taken away and kept from them but no talk about anyone who shoots another person having just plain old murder in their mind and heart (without them being insane). A person does not have to be insane to think about arming theirself and pulling the trigger or stabbing another multiple times. I guess that people seeing murderers as being mentally ill is easier to accept than as individuals who really wanted someone else to die. And no death penalty for murderers. Just lock them up in institutions to live out the rest of their days kicking back in front of TVs. That says to criminals, crime pays!

Bart January 18, 2013 at 4:47 am

May I point out that it will cost the president money to disarm the citizenry? And that he doesn’t enough money? So he will have to borrow it? This is a point of vulnerability. We will be foolish if we don’t take advantage of it. On Facebook, search Center for Principled Repudiation. Its manifesto is both a warning to future lenders and investors that they cannot depend on us to repay corrupt debts used for the purpose of dismantling the Constitution, and a logical argument for ethical repudiation of debts we have not consented to. Don’t confuse this with self-indulgent promiscuous repudiation of valid debts.

Donna H January 18, 2013 at 8:03 pm

In the Affordable Care Act, the gun lobby’s section is in Title X, starting on page 2,037, line 23. “Protection of Second Amendment Gun Rights”

The final provision in the health care bill related to gun owners is that individuals do not have to disclose they own a gun to doctors. This was written by the NRA.

So #16, “16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.”

BUT it doesn’t require you to answer except” none of your business”

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