I Hate Glocks… So Why Am I Going to Buy One?

Today’s non-fiction writing contest entry was written by Oliver H

glock handgun picI am turning 21 soon, meaning I will be eligible to purchase pistols and apply for concealed carry. I do not claim to be some ultra-expert with ages of experience, but I am at the very least an educated citizen. To lend some perspective, here is my background:

 

  • Completed the NRA Pistol Instructor’s course
  • 1 year as a Range Safety and Security worker on a very dynamic, tactical range.
  • 1.5 years as a product specialist and custom rifle builder for a small, custom manufacturer
  • Taken multiple classes on firearms training including: firearms safety, night operations, shooting inside a house, and concealed carry
  • Received basic firearms and small unit tactics training from the US Army
  • Competed once in both F-Class and USPSA

I aim only to provide my experience in choosing a pistol suitable for concealed carry, and hope that it may bring up some points to think about before buying your next pistol. Remember: this is my personal preference. Bruce Lee said, “Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, add what is uniquely your own.”

Keep that in mind.

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So I will start by writing a strategically placed word:

 Glock.

Just saying the word creates all sorts of connotations in different people. Some people love them, swear by them, create shrines and worship them. Others have developed a gag-like reflex of pure disgust when they hear the word. I used to do the latter. Oh, how I hated the trigger! Oh, how I hate the sights… and the grip angle! Don’t even get me started on the grip angle. I love 1911’s, and I always will, but then something happened. I decided to try out all sorts of guns for my first concealed carry. So, I developed some criteria to meet my personal needs. The god-like 1911’s failed the very first one!

1)      A concealable Double Action/Single Action or Double Action only (DA/SA, DAO) pistol

Why?! Why not a Single Action only (SAO)? The bottom line is that if I want to carry with a round in the chamber, I do not want that round to have any chance of going off. Somewhere, a 1911 guy just threw his Kimber hat at the computer screen. The reality is that I am personally not going to put my life, health, career, family, and others at any more risk than necessary. A “cocked and locked” 1911 is only stopped by a mechanical safety if dropped or hit. I don’t want to rely on that. Even if that weren’t the case, I don’t want a pistol that I have to train to flick off the safety every time. When I bring it out of the holster, it’s go time! Which brings me to my next two points:

2)      A simple design, I don’t want my gun covered in safeties… I will invest in a good holster and training

3)      9mm

Stop… 9mm? What? I decided to go with the 9mm. Why? For one, modern ammo technology has come miles from what it was in the past. I can cost effectively practice with ball, but the modern ammo I would rely on during carry performs effectively. I could write a whole new article on this, but with the right ammo, most of the arguments against the 9mm are now invalid.

If you are looking for a place to look, I would definitely be comfortable carrying Hornady Critical Duty. Round count is also a factor. Pistols of the same size can’t fit as many rounds in .45cal as they can in 9mm. Don’t get me wrong, I still love the .45cal. However, the biggest issue is I do not have deep pockets to practice.

Practice is the most important thing, with whatever gear you have. That brought me to briefly think about a Ruger LCR in .357mag. I could use .38spl to practice. Revolvers are the most reliable firearm. However, I could increase my firepower greatly with a compact, semi-auto pistol. This led me to develop number 4:

4)      A semi-automatic pistol with the best value, without compromising performance

I am not going to be so cheap as to put my life on low-quality weaponry. I’ve seen too many semi-automatic Taurus’, Rugers, and Kel-tecs broken to go that route (notice I did not include Taurus and Ruger revolvers). I love H&K’s (especially the USP compact) and Sig Sauer, but they were just out of my price range when there are other great value options out there.

I looked at the XD and XDm series. I love the XD, however their compact model is only in .45. That surprised me, however, the XDm has a compact model in 9mm. I did not like the “improved” ergonomics in the XDm series. I preferred the regular XD series. Also, the barrel in the XDm compact is 3.8” as opposed to the G19’s 4” barrel. That is a slight edge that I can deal with when concealed carrying. Oh yeah… what’s up with the magazine springs in the XD/XDm series? They are dreadfully difficult to load by hand.

This is more of a problem than most people are willing to admit. I should not need a loader to put bullets in my magazine for my every day carry gun (EDC).  Yes, they get better with time, but I want to be 100% effective as soon as possible. The thought started to creep into my head. Get a Glock. NO! I rejected it. I searched elsewhere.  I looked at the PPQ. I loved everything about it. I got hold of one.

I shot 100 rounds through it. It’s a true tack driver. However, I had a unique and unfortunate experience with the pistol. It jammed TWICE in 100 rounds on me. Now, it could have been a million factors; cleaning, ammo, a lemon gun, but it completely turned me off. A dirtier Glock sure would have accepted and ran through the ammo. So, point number 5:

5)      Ultra-reliable

The PPQ doesn’t have nearly the track record that Glock does. The thought crept back. Get a Glock! Reliability is paramount for an EDC gun, but the glock sights, I hate them! Well, I was going to change the sights on whatever gun I got anyways. To what?

6)      Tritium night sights

I love these sights. They are everything I want in no-light conditions, and coupled with a flashlight, one can do some serious night work with them. If you have done night shoots, tritium night sights are a serious asset. I have had experience with both Trijicon and Meprolight night sights. They are essentially equal in performance, and Meprolight sights are cheaper.  Next point:

7)      Get a full hand on the grip, comfortably

What about the micro 9mm guns out there? They have a purpose, but when I can comfortably carry a bigger pistol, with a longer barrel and more round count, why wouldn’t I? The G19 is perfectly concealable and I can get a full grip on the pistol. This is big when in a high-adrenaline situation. It is easy to fumble some of the small “subcompact” guns out there. The next option was the M&P9 from Smith and Wesson. For some reason I could not put the same confidence in the M&P as I could with a Glock. The G19 was more comfortable. That’s just my opinion. I also liked the Gen 3 better than the Gen 4.

So here they are, my 7 major criteria:

1)      A concealable Double Action/Single Action or Double Action only (DA/SA, DAO) pistol

2)      A simple design, I don’t want my gun covered in safeties… I will invest in a good holster and training

3)      9mm

4)      A semi-automatic pistol with the best value, without compromising performance

5)      Ultra-reliable

6)      Tritium night sights

7)      Get a full hand on the grip, comfortably

All of this led to one pistol: the Glock 19. I am still combat effective with the trigger, even though it is an abomination compared to a 1911 trigger. Also, training will only make me more comfortable with the Glock trigger. Also, there are plenty of mays to modify the trigger if need be in the future. A bonus with the Glock is the giant aftermarket and community support. People have done just about everything to this gun, and there are so many knowledgeable people on the Glock. You can get help anywhere with it. I will never be of the Glock or nothing mentality.

I will continue to weigh my options, and as my criteria and comfort level change, so will my gun. Nevertheless I will say this: the Glock is an ugly, nasty, and delinquent pistol, but it’s always down to fight. Just as this article is not perfectly refined into a literary masterpiece, the Glock is not meant to fit in with the safe queens.

Neither are you when you are engaged in a defense situation. You need something that can get nastier than the scumbag attacker you are going to subdue. There are many great options out there that can do the job. The Springfield XD? Awesome. You want a Smith and Wesson M&P? Do it, and be confident in your gear and training. I would like to own most of the pistols out there, but when I had to pick one, I chose the Glock 19 Gen 3.

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Comments

  1. Oliver, your firearms training is impressive. Congrat’s on your CCL. I too like my glock, & I don’t care if it’s ugly. I didn’t get it for a beauty contest!

  2. Oh, boy, another Glock debate. My 4-in barrel .357 Magnum has never failed to fire. It is simple to clean and operate, has 7 rd. capacity, made of stainless steel for longevity, and I love the ergonomics. I shoot well with it. I don’t in any way need a Glock, don’t even want one to tell you the truth. If you like a Glock or think a Glock is the way to go, more power to you. Enjoy it.

    One word of warning about Glocks. They are no safer than a loaded revolver, or a 1911 cocked and locked. I know of a case where a 3-yr. old child pulled the trigger on a Glock. If there had been a live round in the chamber, the weapon would have fired. Same with all of these weapons, they must be secured. That’s all I have to say.

    • Paul Stewart says:

      I agree. The Glock does require just as much attention to proper safety procedures. There is a video on you tube showing a seasoned law enforcement officer holstering his lock and it discharging. This would never have happened with a 19ll. The typical 1911 has two manual safeties and one passive drop safety. Proper training is required for both. I own at least seven 1911 pistols with one being a 9mm and also have a a Sig 938 (9mm). I own over 20 Glock pistols of various models and calibers. I shoot the 1911 better and that is what I carry. On the other hand I gave my older brother, who is is experienced with revolvers, a Glock. Its what you trust and can shoot well that counts. That is the bottom line. -PHS

      • You have a great collection, I’m jealous. LOL. But yes on everything you said. And I don’t blame anyone for buying a Glock, they are good pistols. If I had unlimited funds, I would probably buy 2.

      • Jon Wrght says:

        I agree totally. Love glocks and have a 19. Sold a 30s as prefer a 1911 for a 45, but if I only own one , it better be a glock 19.

  3. I was going to suggest an M&P but looks like you already thought of that. I prefer mine over a glock any day but then That’s my opinion and I’m sure others feel different.

    • livinglife says:

      Hand size also comes into play during selection. a Glock simply didn’t fit a friends hand, the back strap on the M&P can be swapped out for smaller, she liked that feel better than my G26.

  4. You have laid out your points, plan, and thought process in a concise manner. As an avid anal-retentive maker of lists, I’m impressed. Well done!

    I’m not a Glock guy, but hopefully lots of folks will follow your lead in deciding not just which gun to buy, but WHY.

    p.s. Buy more ammo.

  5. While unfortunately out of production, and crazy expensive when they were, the H&K P7s were amazing guns. Still available on the used market. And IMHO, much safer than the Glocks. It un-cocks when you release your grip. I have Glocks, but my P7 PSP is my carry gun. Ultra reliable. Accurate. Compact. Oh, and all steel except for the grips.

  6. 1 Man + God=A Majority says:

    Your article, but moreover, your mindset and preparedness gives me encouragement! Hooray–some (you) young people :get it.”

    God has given me 70 years and I have been familiar with firearms for about 60 of these years. Guns are ‘tools.” Never forget that.

    Solution: get the ‘tool” that will do the job effectively, efficiently, and the most cost-effective. Case closed!

    P.S.
    Seriously think about metallic cartridge reloading for 9mm. It is not hard at all. Buy the ‘tools” gently pre-owned or used, but always buy the powder and primers brand new.

    God Bless!

    • Jon Wrght says:

      agree totally. 74 here and a glock 19 owner after several 1911 and if i go to handloading, will buy a 1911 45 again. Even a cheaper citadl is a great gun or Rock Island Armory you can count on. Had several and 100% bet my life on them..

  7. I myself struggled with the Glock question. Then I bought one, got it VERY cheap from a broke collage kid. I would and likely will buy another. Mine is a gen 3 G19C and it is a terriffic firearm. Pretty no, compact not really, accurate and easy to use absolutly. I would argue your comments on Taurus I have owned and currently do own several Taurus auto’s including a pt111 gen2 that I carry daily and have put hundreds if not thousands of rounds thru it and never had an issue. It is like anything clean and well maintained it will go bang every time.

    • Dale Moore says:

      That was my only issue with this article. I carry a Tauras TCP .380 and I love it! Have never had a misfire with hundreds of rounds through it. Light, small, compact, and as accurate as any pocket pistol out there. (recently outshot a S&W bodyguard). And I only paid $212.00 retail for it and ammo is cheap. I love my Taurus!

    • Backwoods Prepper says:

      I think the negativity toward the Taurus turned me against the whole article. I have put many rounds through my taurus 24/7 .40 and the DW’s PT111. And I also have a Glock 22 gen 3. I have never had a FTF In any of them.

  8. Great reasoning and very well thought out. You definitely did your homework. That being said I am not a fan of the Glock although it is an extremely reliable weapon, I will give it that.
    If you are worried about ammo costs then you should be reloading.
    Remember PERFECT Practice makes PERFECT..
    I am a died in the wool 1911 guy and I will never change. John Browning’s design is as great now as it was when he designed it over 100 years ago. 100+ years of taking care of business!!
    Why 1911 or 45ACP:
    Steel Vs. Polymer at least when I run out of ammo I can still beat them to death with my weapon.
    Too many times I have seen someone get up after being shot multiple times with a 9mm, yes well placed shots in the chest!
    I will stick with a Cocked and Locked 45 auto thank you!

    • I’ve read a number of studies and tests about the 9mm vs the .40 or .45 and generally, the consensus is that the 9mm is every bit as good a round for your concealed weapon as a .40 or .45.

      “9mm allows faster sight acquisition due less recoil and more rounds of ammunition. .40 offers slower sigh acquisition due to recoil and an officer can carry less rounds. .45 is such a low velocity round that it sometimes cannot even penetrate a window or jean jacket.” Policemag.com

      “9mm 147gr expands to .062 and the 45acp in 230gr and same bullet type to .074 that is a difference of .012. The difference between the 9mm and 45 primary would channel is .012 and the difference between the secondary is almost un-noticeable.” YouTube.com

      Also a good vid on YouTube to watch is “9mm vs .45acp Terminal Ballistics 101″. Actually seeing the wound channel a 9mm vs. a .45acp creates is enlightening.

      Still and all, I imagine the debate on rounds for self-defense will continue until doomsday and beyond.

      • “…. .45 is such a low velocity round that it sometimes cannot even penetrate a window or jean jacket.” Policemag.com

        After reading that stupid statement, I would have discounted anything else that article reported.

    • Some of use smaller framed people don’t want to use a .45

    • Backwoods Prepper says:

      Well I can tell you from experience I have never seen anyone take multiple shots to the chest from a 9mm and get up to fight. And I can also tell you from personal experience that if you are shot 3 times with a .22 the fight is over because you just want a medic/ doctor. The only thought I had was to flee. Now if the bad guy pursued me it may have been a different story.

  9. Good for you Oliver! Congrats on the Glock. I carry the Springfield XD 45 and have no regrets. I just didn’t care for the Glock. I appreciate and admire all the training you did thus far and the steps you took in your decision making process. I hope you continue to be active with the NRA. We need the younger generation to step up and fill the void from us older folks. The more that are active, the more the message is “heard” that firearms aren’t the bad guy and responsibility is the key to success.
    My DH and I have recently gotten into 3 gun competitions. We go just for personal fun to “shoot things” and appreciate having the senior division and the company of the younger folks. What I have enjoyed is watching the newer shooters come in and having those who are experienced give advice, tactics, and encouragement. We got “adopted” by a couple in their 20’s who shared what they had learned as they progressed and improved my success tremendously. To me, it’s not about the score at the end of the day, it’s about being so comfortable with the firearms I own that I have no reservations about using them. That was my goal when we started. The added benefit is that it got me thinking (and doing something about) my lack of fitness and agility. I just needed to find that right something to get me off my butt that I would enjoy. I found it.
    Again, congratulations on your decision to carry and the thought and insight you gave to your decision. God Bless.

  10. My wife was the first one to get to purchase a pistol for concealed carry. She tried a dozen of them and finally just fell in love with her Sig P290RS. I like that gun but only with the magazine finger extension.
    I too am seriously thinking of getting the Glock 19 but she wants me to get the Sig P290 so we have “matching” pistols.
    I have to avoid that at all costs. My wife is an excellent shooter. I am not quite as good as her. If I have the same gun she does I can’t blame poor shot placement on the gun.

  11. You made your list , and decided that a glock was for you. I don’t feel comfortable with a glock they don’t feel right in my hand. They are good guns , and those who like them , like them , and those who don’t , don’t. And like Canyonman said buy more ammo, you can’t have too much.

  12. Owl Creek Observer says:

    Well written article and I agree completely. The best gun is the one that works best for you. My only Glock is a model 30 in .45 cal, but it’s my favorite. It’s simple to operate, easy to take apart and reassemble and it goes bang every time I squeeze the trigger, regardless of what ammo I’m using at the time. I bought a Ruger LC9 for concealed carry because of its smaller size but I don’t like it nearly as much as the Glock.

  13. James Nelson says:

    Ruger semi-autos broken? You lost me there. I’ve owned a lot of Ruger centerfire pistols and reliability is not one of their problems. For that matter you are the first person I’ve heard say anything like this. The preSRs were somewhat clunky but overbuilt.
    Also if you liked the PPQ, you should have stuck with it a bit longer. It isn’t wise to trust any pistol for carry until you’ve fired 200 trouble free rounds through it. Most semi-autos need a break-in period, including Glocks.
    That being said, there is nothing wrong with a Glock and I hope it serves you well.

    • James Nelson,
      My Ruger P-89 has worked flawlessly for nearly 25 years and thousands of rounds, so I’m not sure where the author is getting his information. Likewise, my Mark II has been running for more than 30, with very few full cleanings (’cause they are a real PITA), and still runs like a fine tuned watch. Although not a good cartridge for self defense, this non Glock semi auto also doesn’t fit the inferior mold.

  14. ozhillbilly says:

    Enjoyed your article Oliver. I own two Glocks, a Gen 1 17 and a Gen 3 19. I was introduced to the Glock by a retired local police officer. Love the weapon and will likely never switch. My 17 has the Tritium night sights but the 19 does not. I have made no other modifications either weapon although will likely do that in the future. I have probably shot 1,000 rounds through the 17 and it has performed flawlessly except for an occasional limp wrist, which is not the weapon’s fault. As my recollector recollects it’s only happened twice. I’m not aware of the weapon itself ever having an issue with ammo or anything mechanical. I introduced a die hard 1911 guy to Glocks when I first got my 17 years ago and he informed me he would never switch. A while back, when I got the 19, he informed me his carry weapon is now a Glock. I was surprised as he had always carried the 1911 and had it pimped out in all of the mods the 1911 guys like and want. Anyway, great article and hope it helps some of the undecided out there.

    • “… he had always carried the 1911 and had it pimped out in all of the mods the 1911 guys like and want.”

      Not all, my brother. Mine was born at the Colt factory in 1980, and is 100% stock and factory fresh. No laser, flashlight, tactical light, tracking device, infrared, sonar, radar, bayonet, bottle opener, or sewing machine.

      And a billion rounds later, it’s stiiiiiiiiiiill going. :)

  15. Thomas The Tinker says:

    Sir: You sound like a first tour Vet. You articulated a subject I can only present in abstract ways. You have found your pair of shoes and they seem to fit you very well. We have an old and very respected gunsmith here who started me off with my first G17. 9mm/40s/45s for a total of 16 now. BoweTactical tricked out my G26 as an EDCarry and a Gen 1 G21 cause I really really wanted to. The Olde gen 1 G17 is still running and I use it and a gen 3 G34 at IDPA. I like all my shoes. Sound logic and thinking Olly!

  16. Personally I would have saved my money a little longer and picked up a SIG Sauer P226 or P228. Bought a some good Galco leather and extra magazines over time.

    As far as practice ammo goes, reload, reload, reload. You can develop your own loads that are well suited to your pistol and your needs while getting plenty of trigger time.

    Glocks, like any weapon, do have there eccentricities. the safe-action trigger, especially in earlier generations, can be tricky on a fast draw. Several police agencies dropped the Glock after their officers had accidently fired their weapon into the feet and/or lower legs when attempting a fast draw. Some did the same thing when simply over adrenaline/excitement fueled and drawing their pistols with a bit of a yank to clear a retention holster.

    Glock extractors where out pretty quickly compared to many other autos. It’s a design thing. Learn to change one out. it’s very simple, and keep a few on hand.

    Glock slide release is small, especially on earlier generation, and may need to be changed out if you are one of those high efficiency shooting types. Or, like myself, you have thick fingers.

    Glock magazines will not always drop free reliably once emptied. The fit snugly in the well and have a tendency to not slip free, especially when new. This is not a Glock problem only, but this is easily remedied too.

    As for Glock sights, well, that is a matter of personal choice. Besides the sights don’t make performance, the shooter does. The Glock has been around a long time now, especially in Europe. The sights work. If you have preference for something else, save your pennies.

    The Glock is a good platform weapon with many extras that offer plenty of options to alter the pistol’s capabilities.

    You could do far worse than choosing a Glock. But, I should mention that I don’t choose a Glock for concealed carry. I am a bit of traditionalist; my go to concealment pistols are Model 640, PPK, or Officer’s Model. My own criteria for a concealed carry pistol places less importance on high magazine capacity.

  17. There was a time when I was pretty cynical about the Glock/1911 debate. It seemed to take on the fervor of religious fanaticism. The 1911 was the firearm that I was trained on first and it holds a special place in my heart. The Glock seems to me to be a soulless modern block of junk. I realize that this is totally irrational and has no basis in reality other than “feelings” The Sword Saint (Musashi) was reputed to have said that a warrior should not have a favorite weapon but should be able to pick up what was at hand and do what is needed. Thus, my former disgust with the controversy. Even though I’m a 1911 guy it seemed silly to argue about it.
    Where I sit now is a bit different. I’m willing to overlook the rants from either side because I see the greater good in the controversy. There are a huge number of new shooters out there and they are increasing daily. There’s a need for a lot of opinions (and a few facts) to be available. I believe that in this case as in many other cases there is no such thing as “too much information”. There more that’s out there the better.
    What I’ve seen with many new shooters and with a lot of veterans is that at some point their eyes glaze over and they scream “enough!”. Then they go out and shoot the weapons, deciding for themselves what’s the best fit. I think this is how it should be.
    Even a slime ball commie like Chairman Mao gets it right once in a while.
    “Let a hundred flowers blossom, Let a hundred schools of thought contend”

  18. Thank you for presenting a very well-written article. I enjoy my Glocks, although the grip feels like holding a bar of soap. Just wanted to add that using reloads voids the Glock warranty.

  19. Nicely thought out and well presented, however he is speaking as someone with NO real world experience.
    With over 40 years of carrying under my belt, and numerous gunfights, (unfortunately), I would have to disagree with his conclusions.
    But, that’s ok, he’s too young to have any real practical experience.

    When I had a gun shop, and we built for USPSA shooters, along with building for a number of LEO’s, we did NOT sell them Glocks. I had to continuously help police cadets from the local Police Academy with their Glocks.
    (This was in the mid 1990’s.)
    Now, granted, Glocks have improved a lot. It would not bother me to carry one now. But then, I’m also now a certified Glock Armoror, as well as a 1911 armoror.
    Of the two, the 1911 is more reliable and less subject to breakage or jamming than the Glock.
    Yes, I’m also an NRA Certified Instructor, worked for a number of different Tactical Firearms ranges, including Gunsite. I’ve shot IPSC, USPSA and a number of other competitions. I have taught a great number of classes for getting a Concealed Carry Permit, in California, I might add.

    But, in the final analysis, it comes down to what fits you best, both physically and mentally. You have to be comfortable with what you carry.

    If you prefer the Glock, then learn to use it to the best of your ability. That holds true for any weapon.

    • Darrell

      “Of the two, the 1911 is more reliable and less subject to breakage or jamming than the Glock.”

      LOL really…

      • Chuck Findlay says:

        1911 is a fine gun, I have 2 of them (well only one as my son has the other one on what seems to be a long term loan, I think he’s waiting for me to die…)

        But I don’t think you could make a good argument that a 1911 is more reliable then a Glock.

        I don’t like the feel of a Glock, but they are excellent handguns. Glock needs to make a carbine to go with their handguns. It would be a good selling gun.

        • Chuck Findlay,

          I know. I was being sarcastic about the point being made, because it’s pure b.s.

          I’m a certified gunsmith and have worked at and owned my own full-time shop for years and still do repair work for friends and family, and anyone making claims that a the 1911 is more reliable than the Glock has no idea what they’re talking about. The 1911 design is a good one, but an out of the box standard 1911 will never be as reliable and durable as an out of the box Glock. Thant’s just the way it is…

          For the 1911 to even come close to the reliability of a standard Glock would require expert and expensive custom work.

          I would be happy to put down $1000 bucks and shoot shot-for-shot with a standard Glock 41 against an out of the box factory 1911 (don’t care what manufacture or model) and the one that breaks or reaches 5 malfunctions first loses. I usually, don’t get into this augment here but after awhile you kind of get tired of reading misinformation and b.s.

  20. Noticed that if you post about weaponry the comments go ballistic. Pun intended and sort of disconcerting. I have a glock 19 and I don’t care if it’s ugly, which it ain’t… or if I’m gripping a bar of soap…really? It’s effective if I know how to use it. I do.

  21. Chuck Findlay says:

    Completed the NRA Pistol Instructor’s course
    1 year as a Range Safety and Security worker on a very dynamic, tactical range.
    1.5 years as a product specialist and custom rifle builder for a small, custom manufacturer
    Taken multiple classes on firearms training including: firearms safety, night operations, shooting inside a house, and concealed carry
    Received basic firearms and small unit tactics training from the US Army
    Competed once in both F-Class and USPSA

    All that before you turned 21-years old????

    As far as guns, buy what you want, get good at it and you will do good.

    Really all that before you turned 21???

    .

    • Chuck,
      You inadvertently brought up a point I’d initially missed. The author states, “I am turning 21 soon,” and mentions “Completed the NRA Pistol Instructor’s course”, which to the uninformed implies that he is an NRA Instructor. Until he turns 21 and retakes the test with a score of at least 90, he is only an assistant instructor, and may only help with NRA courses, but not run or teach them. I’m an NRA Instructor and also a Training Counselor (TC’s train instructors) and have had two persons go this route; both of whom were top shooters before the age of 16. This is not to take anything away from passing the instructors course; but, in and of itself doesn’t necessarily enhanced someones qualifications, because the instructor courses teach very little firearms operation; but, instead take people with a minimum skill set, and teach them how to effectively teach with the NRA training materials. A trainer primarily works on the Knowledge, Skills, and Attitudes of the trainee for the discipline being taught.

  22. Went to a gun show yesterday looking for a glock19 with the XD as a second choice. Very few used pistols there which is what I was looking for. The used blocks had their slides all polished and shined, hiding something? Almost pulled the trigger on a 17 that had a light with it for five bills then came across a XD several years old but hardly shot for 350. I liked the grip safety and cocked indicator as well as how it felt. I don’t carry due to my occupation and wanted a high cap house gun. Got a light, two mags and a holster for less than a new gun so I am happy. Haven’t shot it yet, it won’t be a safe queen too darn ugly. I expect to be happy with it as I’m sure you will be with your g19.

  23. Chuck Findlay says:

    (It won’t be a safe queen)

    I agree with that, all my guns other then one are shooters.

    The one is a Colt Woodsman from 1954 that I got from a friend and it and the box looks like it did when it was new. It has NO blue warn off it. It has only had 2-magazines ever fired through it. It sure looks Purdy in it’s original box with all the original docs and site tool.

    And I only paid $50.00 for it, he just died (96-years old) and had 4 guns he wanted to give to a good home. His only daughter is a big anti-gun person and he was afraid she would destroy them or turn them over to the police. But $200.00 later I had 4 guns, all from the 1950s. I smiled for a week.

  24. I too was an NRA pistol instructor, worked on a large range as a rangemaster. I too was a 1911 fan, and I even have a large framed picture of John Moses Browning hanging prominently in my living room, no joke. I disliked Glocks for many years, until we got one full time at work. I got time to know it, to handle it. It was a Gen 2 Glock 19, and she seduced me. Turns out, I didn’t give the Glock a real chance. I purchased a Gen 3 Glock 19 about 5 years ago, and I have been carrying a Glock ever since. They are light, reliable, and accurate.

  25. I own 7 Glocks, all in .40 and all converted to 9mm by way of Lone Wolf, Inc. drop in barrels and Glock 9mm mags. I convert to 9mm for economy of practice as I can buy 500 rds for about $180 from Miwall which is situated in the town I live. All are excellent guns and accurate as all get out.

    That being said, I still carry my grand dads 1911 which he carried in WWl, and my dad carried in WWll, and I will hand down to the next generation and so on. I know it will be still shooting strong in another hundred years. I have no such confidence in any of the newer polymer/plastic guns.

    Simply put, over time all plastics degrade, and somewhere in the back of my mind I cannot but think that this is something the powers that be are well aware of. Disarming the American people may take generations but eventually all plastic guns will cease to function.

    How do we get around this problem? First we get it out there so shooters are aware of and thinking about and discussing this issue.
    Next, we try and encourage people to always make sure they acquire an all steel gun every time they buy a plastic one.

    We have to think generationally in the defense of our freedoms, just as those who would disarm us can and do.

    • A 3-D printer might be able to get around that plastic-wearing-out problem, even if the parts themselves quit being available. Or you could stock after-market aluminum or steel parts as replacements.

      Even barrels wear out after so many shots. And those are the hardest parts to manufacture yourself.

  26. CZ P-01, give it the Pepsi challenge against the Glock 19…God I hate Pepsi.

  27. Why do people keep saying the Glock is ugly? I love its looks!

  28. Billy Denton says:

    It is good you admitted to not being an expert because you certainly are not when it comes to the 1911.
    While I enjoyed your article it is obvious you do not understand the 1911 safeties and why it is the safest firearm in the world to carry if carried in condition one and one only. Stick with it though…you have great writing skills, you just need to do your research better so that what you write is factual.

  29. I was trained on the 1911 in the army, we switched to the m92 and wasn’t impressed. When I got old enough I purchased a norinco copy of the 1911 cause it was all I could afford. It shoots great and was my carry gun for few years, you need to buy what you can afford. The only reason i switched was to get something lighter that could carry a few more rounds. I found the Tarus pt145,it holds 10+1 in .45 and is light concealable etc. I’ve had few issues with the magazines ejecting.
    So when I was looking for a pistol to carry in bear/moose country I decided on a glock 21 in 10mm, I like the feel of it by haven’t got it to the range. I did have Meropa night sights installed and they are awesome.

    Moreale of the story….. buy what you can afford for it’s intended use. It’s a tool, use the right tool for the job at hand.

  30. Biggest problem I’ve had with a Glock is stovepiping, unless you hold it /just/ right. Ammo didn’t matter. I don’t want to have to remember to hold a weapon /just/ right in a crisis.

  31. I have a Glock 19 G3 and love it. The trigger pull is only like 3 or 4 lbs and it doesn’t recoil much, compared to my Taurus Slim (another 9mm) that I actually carry. Not all Glocks have such an easy trigger pull: the NYC cops have a 12 lb. trigger pull by their own regulations. They just had to give up another platform that had a 8 lb trigger pull, because it was thought too dangerous for them. This might explain in part their horrible marksmanship when there is a shootout – 12 lbs is something I need BOTH indexes to pull.

    I don’t conceal carry the Glock because it’s really fat, but I like the way it shoots better. (the Slim is rather snappy). If things got lawless to where I was going to open carry, or carry 2 or 3 pistols, I’d carry it, but without one in the chamber, so I don’t shoot myself by mistake. There are few instances where you would have to outdraw someone else, more likely you’d see something happening and be able to run or get behind cover, or you’d be shot before you even knew what was happening.

    The Taurus Slim has a weird trigger pull. It’s a 2-part like the Glock. But it comes to a stop and unless you know to give it an extra squeeze at the end of that, you’d think it failed to fire. I’m guessing it has a higher pound pull than the Glock? It has a mechanical safety and I carry it with the safety on and nothing in the chamber. I guess if things got really lawless I would put one in the chamber and carry it that way.

    Maybe I’m being too careful? But I’ve dropped my gun before, so maybe not.

    • Oh, the Taurus is not that great, the trigger has a lot of side to side play, but it’s OK as a carry pistol and has never jammed on me at the range. I got it because it was smaller.

      If I’ve ever fired a 1911 it was just the other day, but I was trying a whole bunch of someone’s pistols out and don’t remember what each one was. I do know I fired a .40 thinking it was a 9mm, and I also fired a .45, and neither of them kicked too much for me to handle. I’ve never owned a 1911 so can’t really compare them to Glocks.

  32. TPSnodgrass says:

    It took my a LONG time, to jump on the Glock bandwagon, when they first came out. My LEO brothers (I’m now retired), all jumped on that wagon and never looked back, however, when I first started in law enforcement, you had a choice of the Big 3, Colt, Ruger or Smith and Wesson, in .357 magnum. I went with Smith, because I like how they looked and how they felt in my hand. I was extremely accurate with them and never felt outgunned with “only” 6 rounds. Then came the big transition to high cap 9mm pistols, we were issued S&W model 59s. Never had a problem with mine at all, liked them enough I bought a 6906 for off duty carry-still have it and use it. I finally succumbed to Glockitis and purchased my first Glock in the LATE 1980s, and still have that one as well. It’s a Gen 2, but it works superbly. Is it ugly? No, it’s absolutely FUGLY, compared to a blue steel Smith and Wesson revolver. However, it is uber reliable. I now have multiple Glocks, (nothing in .40), and am happy with them.Have they gotten anymore attractive over the years? Not a chance, they are still one butt ugly pistol. Are they as comfortable as my classic 1911 pistols? Nope, can’t even compare the two. Will I still carry my Glocks? Absolutely, every day. Are they the best pistol out there? Don’t know, haven’t fired “all” the pistols out there, I just don’t care. They have worked for me, when I needed them to work.

  33. I prefer Beretta/PT 92s and Makarovs.

  34. Just as an aside for those perusing the comments for carry ideas; if I carry a Glock 19 the butt of the grip prints on my shirt. I do not have that problem with my Glock 26. Like it so much, I bought a G27 with a Lone Wolf barrel so I could practice with lead reloads without feeling guilty.

  35. Snozzallos says:

    “Glock Leg”

    Seriously, a Glock is the very last gun you should be holding up as the epitome of firearm safety. It is an effective and reliable weapon. And always one trigger pull away from shooting something. Mechanisms can fail. Triggers can be pulled or snagged accidentally. To argue that one is ultimately more “unsafe” than another fails on the basic premise alone. Just stop it.

    And then we’re back to the “modern ammunition” troll. I don’t mind the fact that you want more pew-pew, but I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: Physics doesn’t lie. You can argue diameters all day long but at the end of the day, you are either sending more or less mass down range at comparable velocities. It’s more than just physical diameter. The “modern ammunition” trope is a bunch of hogwash. What, somehow other calibers don’t benefit from those modern advances? That your pet caliber is the only one not frozen in time? Come on. 9mm is fine. It’s an effective round. It’s readily available. And Cheap. These are good, sound arguments that nobody will disagree with… but don’t justify your choice with what amounts to global warming bs.

    Everything else is personal preference and there is nothing wrong with that. Glock makes a proven firearm with mass acceptance and I’m glad you have one. But here you’re trying to pass personal opinion as hard fact, and it fails badly.

  36. Snake Plisken says:

    A very well thought out article and great comments. The wonderful thing about our love of firearms is that we come to the debate from so many perspectives and enjoy a spirited debate.

    Myself, I carry conceal a KelTec 9 everyday. It’s compact and fits in my back pocket or front pocket if I’m wearing my cargo shorts that day.

    If I have to travel into the crappy side of town I carry my Springfield XD because of the firepower and it can put out a lot of metal downrange very quickly but I don’t really like it. It looks like a frickin’ Glock. I know that’s somewhat immature but I just don’t care for it’s boxy shape even though I do appreciate it’s utility.

    My real love in firearms are my 1911’s. I have several and love the design, the reliability and the history of the weapon.

    I also have several wheel guns but those i don’t conceal carry. Those are for the range.

    I have owned Steyr 40 caliber pistols in the past and they were OK.

    Glock though. Forget it. This guy ain’t owning one.

    Best,

    Snake Plisken

  37. I work in a small gun store and have shot most of the guns talked about above. I am glade to see you did researched your choice, however the 1911 is a great gun. I am also one who has a problem with a Glock, do not like any of there models. I will admit that I am Ruger and springfield armorey man.

  38. At the age of 21, the government will ‘allow’ you purchase handguns, and ‘allow’ to apply for a ‘permit’ to carry…so nice of them to allow us our constitutionally guaranteed rights.
    I went with a Glock too….well two Glocks. Pretty much had the same criteria as you. Parts availability both OE and aftermarket was also a consideration. Comfort, easy to shoot, reliability, ease of maintenance, all big factors.
    Glock 23,compact, and Glock 27,subcompact, not only fire the same caliber, but can use the same larger capacity magazines, even the 15 round mag from the G22,full size, will work in the smaller pistols. They also make a high capacity 22 round mag which works in them all. A stressful situation, such as a shootout, is not the best time to be fumbling with different magazines and ammo.
    Another bonus was price, the Glocks were 40% cheaper than comparable Sigs and HK’s.
    They digest everything I stuff in them.
    They go BANG when I want them to, not when I don’t.
    They’re accurate, easy to clean/maintain/repair.
    Parts and upgrades are available everywhere.
    Interchangeability is great.
    They’re available in four sizes, in a bunch of calibers.
    Maybe not the sexiest out there, but they are effective.

  39. Snake Plisken says:

    You know Big D you may have accidententaly ( sp ) hit on something that defines the differences between pistol owners.

    Could it be that are there those who prefer utility and a common sense design ( see Glocks, Sig’s an H&K’s ) while others ( like myself ) prefer a historical connection and a appreciation of handgun design?

    I mean I equate the design of a Glock, SIG or H&K as utilitarian as a chainsaw while I look at a German Luger, a .45 caliber wheel gun or my Remington Match grade .45 ACP as a work of art that needs to be appreciated and used.

    Both are tools. But, some tools ( and I collect all kinds of pre 1900 woodworking tools ) are expresselly utilitarian and others, while effective for their task are to be admired because of thier craftsmanship and purpose.

    Just my humble opinion! :)

    Best,

    Snake Plisken

    • Snake, I agree that the newer handguns may be more Honda Accord than Ferrari Pininfarina, but that simplicity, functionality, ruggedness has a beauty all its own. A Luger, Colt 45, or 1911 race gun, all have their place, but for an overall EDC system, those Glocks are real tough to beat when price is a factor. I would love a new Lamborghini, but that would not be practical, financial or otherwise, to drive to work or take the kids to soccer, let alone fight off hoards of zombies.
      There’s enough good quality weapons, from many different makers that everyone can find what works for them, Glock 27, Smith & Wesson Governor, Desert Eagle .50 cal.,Walther P22, a million different 1911’s…

  40. On your #1, all I can say is that all of the AD’s I’ve ever seen or heard of, have been from a Glock. Something impinging on the trigger as you holster, can cause that round in the chamber to fire, often into a body part.

    There are many better safeties on other guns than the one on the 1911, which although classic, is still a 125 year old design. As an NRA instructor who has taught thousands of students the basic course, the most important thing in firearm selection is form, fit, function, and affordability. A Glock is a good gun and I know many who both swear by them and at them. In the end, whatever you choose, training and practice are what makes the firearm the perfect tool for the owner/operator.

    Once you have selected a gun based on these criteria, train and practice with that gun until you can always hit what you aim or point at, and don’t worry about defending your selection from those with other ideas on the perfect gun. Perfection is most often in the eye of the beholder.

    • OhoPrepper, I have seen what can happen when a Glock trigger is caught, a local state trooper was wounded in the elbow going down a slide with his child, a guy I worked with got careless putting one in his glove box and put a hole through the dash of his truck! That’s why at first I was a little reluctant about them, especially if it got taken from me in an altercation, but the more I tried them and realized that like any other gun you gotta use safe practices. I use holsters that completely cover the trigger area, and am always conscious of where my finger is, and will viciously defend my pistol from anyone trying to take it from me.
      After thinking it through , I decided something easy to, get into action, shoot, and reload under stress is also a big factor. In a couple incidents I experienced the slow motion confusion that can happen, luckily they turned out ok, but if something as simple as corralling the kids, and calling for help on the phone can mess up thinking, then seeing muzzle flashes coming my way is gonna make me not want to think to much just react, cover, draw, align, squeeze…

  41. Chuck Findlay says:

    Instead of a debate about Glocks vs 1911s why not get a quality gun like a Hi-Point and put the debate to rest???????

  42. Your criteria fit the CZ-75B and BD.

    I have a Glock 34. I have a Walther PPQ. I still think the CZ is head and shoulders above them in trigger action and accuracy and grip shape and pure shootability. Very slim so it fits in an IWB holster easily. The only real drawback is that it is as heavy as a 1911, not so good for all-day carry, which is why I got the PPQ. But I still like that old CZ the best.

  43. I have owned several glocks and still own one to this day. They are a fine weapon and have a place in this world. That being said.

    There are guns that are on par and in some instances better for different purposes. They are a tool just like a screw driver. Some screw drivers do different jobs better than others.

    Kinda like snap on vs. kobalt. Could I take apart my lawn mower with a snap on wrench, sure I could, and could do the same thing with the kobalt cheapo wrench. But don’t get me wrong they are not in the same ball park. Kinda the same thing with weapons. Maybe I should have used a different analogy rather than snap on vs. kobalt, lol. I think yall get the gist of what I am saying.

  44. If you are a 1911 kind of guy, you will like a CZ75 PCR or P01 way more than a Glock. It easily fits all of your criteria. Also, how is a 1911 less safe than a Glock? To ND a Glock, you need to negligently pull the trigger, to ND a 1911 you have to accidentally disengage the safety then negligently pull the trigger while simultaneously negligently depress the grip safety. That’s 3 things that have to go wrong instead of just 1. Also, most modern 1911s have internal drop safeties so you don’t have to worry about that either.

  45. i most likely will not buy a glock, but that is personal choice. my carry gun is a walther ppk 7.65 (7.65 mil with a delivery like a brick thru a plate glass window).