Is the Police Officer Your Friend?

BCtruck’s encounters with police by you guessed it BCtruck

cop kicking ass Is the Police Officer Your Friend?Where do I start? Is this even of any interest to people on a survival blog? Have I been perhaps a little to open and vocal about my hatred for bad cops? Have I insulted cops that didn’t fall into that category? The answer is yes to all those questions.

I’ll start at the beginning. I grew up in the 60′s. I grew up believing that the world was a good and happy place, that people were basically honest, and that there weren’t people that derived pleasure from harming others, whether that harm came in the physical form or financial form. I also grew up believing that the police were your friends and would help you if you were in danger and protect you if you couldn’t protect yourself.

Then, at 17, I joined the army and was attached to a mobile military police unit as a truck driver. Being a mobile unit meant that nearly every month, at a moments notice, we had to be ready to load our gear and roll,in as short a time as possible.It was my job to secure the equipment,like small arms,ammo, C-rations, water buffalo, and a 500 gallon tanker with potable water. We would load up and head to the field for a night, or several weeks.

It was during that time that I became aware of the fact that these policeman I was Breaking my back to feed, water and haul around, thought of me not as another soldier,or even equal on a human level, but as a sub human entity that wasn’t worthy of the respect or decency that they treated each other with. I passed off my 3 year experience with military cops as not being indicative of the way real cops were. Civilians wouldn’t be like that. They had far more stringent requirements to be accepted as police officers in the civilian world.

I returned to the states and bought a motorcycle and traveled the country following my nose and enjoying Gods creations of mountains and sunsets and people i would meet.I was constantly pulled over though, often, for nothing other than the fact that I had long hair and a bushy beard. Those early years of being on my own taught me the delicate dance one has to learn to do,around the giant egos of police officers. Rule number one was never make direct eye contact, that was a sign that you were equal and cops wouldn’t have that kind of bad behavior. Rule number two, don’t use big words or appear to have an intellect that was equal to or God forbid, exceeding theirs. Cops entire psyche is centered around a belief that they are superior to non cops.

I eventually went into trucking around 1982 and that was when i started coming into contact with police on a daily basis. Police at scales, at every weigh station, at every state line.You had city cops, county cops, state cops. Cops that were in charge of making sure you had a permit for their state, cops whose job it was to make sure you bought fuel in their state, cops that wanted to check your load to make sure it was “secure” (that usually meant it was something they wanted). You had federal cops that would check your trucks for equipment violations.You had state cops whose job it was to feed the coffers at any and all expense,including the expense of honesty and integrity.

My first memory of just how despicable and dishonest cops are, was when i was pulled over for my first “inspection”, which is just a code word for open your wallet. I had heard about the inspection on the CB radio and pulled over about a mile from the inspection site, to crawl under my truck and adjust my brakes. I got in my truck and went the one mile to the inspection station,feeling pretty smug that I had cheated them out of a ticket.

I pull in, we do the lights, the log book, the permits, and finally he crawls up under my truck. I’m feeling great because I’m certain they cant find an “I” not dotted or a “T” not crossed. He comes out from under my truck and informs me that my brakes are out of adjustment. Of course I told him it wasn’t possible since i pulled over a mile up the road and adjusted them myself. As he is telling me which brakes are out of adjustment, I notice the 9/16ths wrench in his shirt pocket, which just happens to be the size that adjusts the brakes. I realize whats happened and that was the very first experience I had with a cop that was a liar and a thief. Over the years I ran into dozens that were just as dishonest as him.

The last state police inspection thief,was in El paso Texas, headed west, at the pull off right before the flying j. By this time in my career, I knew all the dirty tricks and I expected to pay something at these “inspections” no matter how well maintained my equipment was.The name of the game was not safety, or a concern for the well being of other motorists. It was solely and singularly devoted to the extortion of money from companies that were thousands of miles away and couldn’t possibly justify sending a lawyer to defend against crooked cops who wrote crooked tickets for infractions or violations that didn’t exist.

This cop in El paso, told me my fire extinguisher was in violation. I asked in what way was it in violation? He said its mounted to far back in your side box, I cant reach it, I maintained that the law didn’t require I place it where a 5 foot 4 cop could reach it, but that it was accessible in an emergency, and it didn’t say accessible by who. I could access it, my 5 foot 8 inch wife could access it. I asked if he could show me where it said what height I had to have it accessible to .

He finally gave up on that ticket and wrote me the usual “your license plate light is out”, ticket. It never is, and it wasn’t that time either but its a 75 dollar ticket versus a 300 dollar ticket and its the cost of doing business in Amerika. I pulled into the flying J to replace the license plate light and low and behold,its working fine. Its a miracle!!

I could literally tell you 100,s of stories just like this,but i wont.

Ill just tell you one more story, and its only because I want you to understand the type of egos, bullies or downright mentally ill,you might be encountering. I was looking for an address and had made a couple turns up and down this road and couldn’t find the building I was looking for,when up beside me at the red-light pulls a cop car with its passenger window down. I yelled over my engine, SIR! CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE ACME KNUDLER VALVE IS? The cop leans over and looks up at me, and says Pull over to the side of the road. Not that it matters, but it was a lady cop.But I couldn’t tell that from looking down into the cop car.

All I could see was from the knees to the feet.I pull over,thinking, this must be a really complicated place to get to if she cant just tell me its down the road on the left or right. She walks up to the truck, I shut it off because you cant hear over the engine,and I climb down and walk towards her. She yells for me to get back in my G damn truck. ?????? What the hell is this about?? I get back in my G damn truck and she gets to the door and starts yelling at me for disrespecting her by calling her sir. I’m completely at a loss for words.

I’m totally blown away at how angry she is,even when I invite her to sit in my truck and see what I see. She didn’t care that all I could see was from her knees down and couldn’t possibly see she was a women. She had some how taken this as an insult to her woman hood and an attack on her as a police officer. Friends, these are the kind of nutty loons, dishonest crooks, and blatant lairs, that I have encountered in my 30 plus years as an over the road driver/business owner.

My reason for writing this article is because I’m sure there are people who have not encountered the police like I have. Maybe even some who have never had an encounter at all, and some that are still under the misconception that what we were taught to believe as kids,still holds true. Police are your friend, police are there to help you,police will protect you,and your rights. I’m here to emphatically warn you,and to tell you that without a doubt, its not true and it is dangerous not to recognize that fact.

Blissfully ignorant, is the way I would like to describe those that feel like we all did as kids, about police. Preparedness and survival cover a lot of topics. One of those ways of being prepared is to realize that cops are not your friend and use every opportunity they can, to advance their careers or their arrest stats. Some of the ways they do that are by escalating simple things into something you can be arrested for.

Like the nutty lady cop who found it to be insulting enough that I mistook her knees and shoes for a mans. Mad enough that I was threatened with arrest when I tried to explain that no disrespect was intended and that I simply couldn’t see enough of her, to recognize her as a woman. Cops pose more of a danger to your health, wallet, freedom, possessions, than any other organized criminal group. That is what survival is all about, recognizing potential dangers and forming a plan of action or defense.

When I emailed MD and asked if he would even publish an article on this subject, he said yes, but asked me to be fair and include things that cops had done to help me. I was certain I could think of something. I’ve sat hear idle and thinking for 20 minutes going back through the jasmine in my mind (sorry seals and croft), and I cant find a single solitary time, that I came away from an encounter with a cop, a better person or befitting from the encounter in any way.

For 30 years, my best friend was Jim. Jim and his wife were long-haul truckers like me and my wife. Jim was killed two years ago in June by a frac tech truck, texting. I called her before sending this to MD. I was certain she had a story or two that she cold relate, were her or Jim had a positive encounter with a cop. She pondered and thought through all their police encounters, and she was surprised to say that she couldn’t think of a time when an encounter was good or positive.

In all fairness, my interactions with city cops has been on a far smaller scale then state or county, so perhaps, just maybe, there might be a good and honest city cop. I will say this about “good cops”. If you call yourself a good cop, and you allow other cops to break the law, behave dishonorably, lie, cheat, steal, abuse, bully, or turn your head and allow rights to be violated, then you are NOT, a good cop. Thanks for your time,and I am, from this day forward going to keep my opinions on the matter of cops to myself. I realize, its a very polarizing subject and I certainly don’t wish to alienate anyone from interacting with me here ,because our opinions and personal experiences differ. Love you long time!

M.D. Adds : If you’ve had any good interactions with police (or bad ones) please tell us about it in the comments below…

Comments

  1. Nebraska Woman says:

    bc, I see you did not lose your glasses today!

    Ex is a truck driver; he hasn’t had a bad experience yet. However, he hears stories all the time! He did have a near shout out with a highway patrolman, checked his temper, and filed a complaint with his company against said officer. His bosses keep attorneys on demand who can be nastier than the cops, so his company won. Were you independent?

    Our local 2 cop team here are so helpful and nice. One drove me home from the hospital, saw me inside, made me some tea, and fixed a fire alarm that needed a battery.
    Another time a workman found bones under our add-on kitchen, called the police who promptly called me to ask permission to enter my property and investigate. Evidently a dog had crawled under there and died many years ago. An apology in the form of a letter arrived the following week.
    Half the farmers around here have improper trailers for hauling livestock locally; the local law enforcement looks the other way, but I would imagine if it were a truck, heavy fines would ensue.
    These are local. As I do not drive a truck and am very careful not to speed, I seldom have interaction with them.
    bc, I am so sorry you were treated this way. The armed forces are that way. The s*** rolls to the bottom.

    • If you ever come to GA, be careful about driving the speed limit. You will get pulled over for suspicion of drunk driving. Nearly no one around here drives the speed limit unless they are doing something wrong.

      • Falcon Fury says:

        Amen, I’ve been pulled over on more than one occasion for driving too carefully!? Cops in Ga take pretext stop to a whole other level!!

        • JeffintheWest says:

          That happened to me once in Texas — I was the only guy going the speed limit on I-10 and the cop pulled me over. He then ticketed me for not driving at the same speed as the other traffic. I went to court on that one, and got the ticket thrown out by telling the Judge, “So you’re telling me that when everyone but one guy is speeding, your solution is to pull over and fine the ONLY guy obeying the law? Is that the message you really want to send?” The Judge threw the ticket out and formally admonished the cop for stupidity. Of course that was back in the 80′s, when this was still a country where the “rule of law” was more important than the “rule of pull” — which is what we seem to have now when laws on the books and properly passed by Congress can be overturned on the whim of the President or his equally corrupt Attorney General….

      • lm stewart says:

        gonna have to agree, Georgia cops are bad

        • charlie (NC) says:

          From the vault of old memories relating to GA cops.
          Spring of 1970, my college room mate and I are on our way to see our girl friends who were room mates at a small school just outside of Athens Ga. We were just outside the town of Franklin Springs on a two lane road.
          Up ahead was a curve to the right with a big rock outcropping on the inside of the curve that extended almost to the pavement. Back before the rock in the curve less than half a mile was a small independent service station on the right. It looked like the local hang out for the good ‘ole boys.

          Just as I passed by it a rough looking, orange colored Dodge pulled out behind me. It was all jacked up in the rear and was clearly a street race type car. He pulled out spinning his wheels and passed me before I got to the big rock in the curve, pulled in front of me and jammed on his brakes. By that time we were entering the curve. As I went around the curve this is what I saw.
          A dirt turn around area behind the rock, a 35 mph speed limit sign that could not be seen before you passed the rock and a GA cop hiding behind the rock.

          I quickly realized that I had entered one of the infamous
          Ga speed traps and that fellow from the service station
          had purposely run me down, slowed me down and saved me from a ticket I probably could not have paid.

          I was 20 years old and I realize now that I should have gone back by that station and thanked the man but I didn’t and I’ve never been on that road since or had any reason to be.

      • Donna in MN says:

        Georgia is a speed trap. My family went through there in the 60′s and a motel outside of town put up a sign, “Warning Speed Trap Ahead”. He was arrested and thrown in jail by the police, but won his case in the courts.

    • Bubster says:

      98% of cops give the rest a bad name.

      • I received and pleaded guilty to a speeding ticket last year in the great state of GA. The officer claimed I was driving at a speed of 87mph. I was not but was in fact guilty of speeding at a rate of 78mph using cruise control.
        I paid the ticket, but 3 months later received another ticket from GA called a “super speeder” ticket for running over 85mph. At present Im refusing to pay and have lost driving privileges in Ga, not my home state. Ill probably end up having license revoked and be forced to pay crooked system anyhow.

        • keltec, and others on here,
          In Georgia, where I live as well, most cops allow you to go 10mph over the posted speed limit without getting a ticket. They will ticket you on the 11th mph over. The state I am from, it was 5mph over, which really sucked, but that may have changed.
          10mph over is plenty fast. Unless you are driving hundreds of miles, you really do not get to your destination that much faster. For example, if you are driving 20 miles, you get to your destination in 16 minutes at 75mph and only 14 minutes, 7 seconds at 85mph. Big deal. Leave two minutes earlier. You will be safer, plus you will save a lot of money on gasoline.
          You do not need to be going 87mph unless, perhaps, it’s an emergency. You are just risking your life as well as the lives of others on the road. I see situations every week of someone getting killed by some idiot, who thinks he’s Dale Jr, driving too fast.
          As for the state; Most of the time, cops will back the ticked down below the super speeder speed and save you the $200. It sometimes depends on how respectful you are to the cop. Anyway, they should have fined you for the ticket and the super speeder fine at the same time, not sent you a separate ticket for the super speeder fine. That is not only inefficient, (something our government is very good at), but it is just plain stupid.
          As for me? I’ve been pulled over about 10 times for different things. I am very respectful to the officer, “yes siring” and “no siring” them, and do what they ask. I have only received one ticket.

  2. B.C.,
    I am so very sorry that you’ve have had these events happen to you. You state that you can not think of anything positive about interfacing with Law Enforcement, so I ask you this……

    Were you or your family murdered in your sleep last night? Was your house broken in to and taken by some drug gang? Were the female members of your family raped while shopping recently?

    Those of us who claim Christ as our Savior and Scripture as our guide know what Romans 13 says about obeying the law and Governments.

    Might I suggest something which I do when driving and another motorist is rude or dangerous? Instead of getting angry at them, I find if I pray for their safe journey, my anger turns to love for them.

    If you can find it in your heart, try praying for the police.

    God Bless

    • Hunker-Down says:

      Gost,

      I respectfully reject your argument. The law that protects all of us from the issues you listed is not civil law, it is moral law.
      Police to not enforce moral law, they invent civil transgressions to generate money.

      • Moral laws are useless to those who do not honor them, given that we live in a fallen world. Thus, as Paul wrote in Romans 13, the Government is given by God the power of the sword to protect and punish. i.e keep civil order.

        Hopefully, the Civil Government is staying within the moral laws which God has ordained for men. However, we all know that this is not always the case either.

        • As Christ answered Peter when he asked Him how many times Peter was to forgive his fellow man, “70×7!”.

          We can choose to either carry around all this anger, or we can choose to forgive, as Christ did to those who tortured Him to death.

          The time is short, choose this day who YOU will serve, as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

          • Hunker-Down says:

            There are many, many, many civil laws that violate moral law. Which should we obey?

            • I’m not sure what you mean by “Moral Laws” who’s morals?
              Now if you mean God’s law, we as Christians are to resist any law which violates God’s will, and some sort of civil disobedience becomes inescapable. (Acts 4:18-31 5:17-29)

              • Hunker-Down says:

                “Who’s morals” suggest moral relativism. At its basic level means everyone defines his/her own definition of right and wrong. Another way to put it is; what is right or wrong for you is OK with me as long as what is right or wrong for me is OK with you. Think that wont clash?

                The new testament as written between 180 AD and 450 AD is the moral operating manual revealed by humanity’s creator (notwithstanding the dorks over the centuries that tried to live/explain it).

            • HD & Ghost,
              I think that you are both correct. Moral people do not break into your house because of moral law. Immoral or amoral people do not generally break into your house because of the potential repercussions of civil law if they are caught. Too often the job of a LEO is not to protect or serve; but, to be the historian and archaeologist; showing up after the fact and trying to determine what happened and “who done it”.
              I think that bad policing is indicative of the agency that puts pressure on revenue generation or doesn’t punish violators. Also keep in mind that in general LEO’s interface regularly with the low end of society. People who have no morals and in many cases would harm or kill the officer as easy as cooperate.
              One LEO who helped teach NRA class’s year’s age told me that there are three kinds of police officers: those who always wanted to serve their community, those who needed a job and passed the civil service test, and those who had been picked on in high school and now saw the job as payback time. I’ve had other officers agree that this sums it up, so occasionally we are bound to meet the bad ones; although I have never personally met one.

              • Mike Hoskins says:

                Today, it is the angry or bad kops that pull traffic stops. Good cops aren’t looking for revenue, but saying that, there boss is telling them, get their money….That is why I have (2) cameras in my vehicle. License plate cam an Dash cam……they back down really quick!! An let you go!

                Good Luck!

                • Bubster says:

                  Video is safest if automatically uploaded, out of danger of being “lost”. Our would-be masters are now demanding a kill switch on all smart phones, in case of theft, ya know.

          • Ghost,though I appreciate your advice,I want you to know that I don’t carry around any anger. I just know that any. Encounter with police us going to result in bad things happening. Therefore,I don’t do anything that brings me into contact with them. I never speed,ever!if I take my wife to eat and there are cops in the restaraunt,I go somewhere else. But I don’t hold any anger about this,it’s just one more of the bad things in life you have to lice with.

            • “Live with” back on my phone and auto correct tomorrow I get my iPhone 5s.maybe it will spell better.;)

              • Chuck Findlay says:

                My phone and tablet does the auto-correct thing. I can’t turn it off and I hate the way they do it. The laptop is much better tool.

            • BC – if there are cops in the restaurant where I eat, I am thankful but I rarely interact with them if at all. I am thankful because the restaurant is less likely to be robbed. Of course, in this particular restaurant that I’m thinking of, a would be robber is likely to be met with more guns than he could ever imagine because several of the customers, along with the owner and his daughter, carry.

            • @BC,
              God love you brother, the past is the past. Really, try praying for the people who have done you wrong , (and mean it) , you will be amazed by God’s grace.

              God Bless

      • That’s just ignorant. The police do not create any sort of laws or the punishments for breaking those laws. You need to talk to your politicians.

        • Hi Joe,

          It isn’t so much the laws -they can be, but not the issue here- but brutal criminals wearing badges who beat up people they may have legitimately arrested, cops who delight in beating up people they have no business arresting, cops who sexually abuse or rape women drivers, and the self-styled ‘good cops’ who allow them to continue.

          It is the so-called ‘good cops’ who shun or abuse an actual good cop who who stands up to the criminals with badges. It is the so-called ‘good cops’ who close ranks and protect every criminal in sight, so long as he is wearing a blue uniform.

      • Donna in MN says:

        Not in my cases. A Tuscon Az cop checked on me for three nights after I was assulted by a crazy man in the neighborhood. There was no money to be made from me. A cop checked out my home when I heard strange noises and he found out huge waterfalls of ice hit the first floor from the second floor . No money to generate money from me for checking for an intruder who may do me harm. An Iowa cop stopped me for a tail light out, just a warning, no ticket. No money generation there. A cop stopped me when he thought my car was stolen had a nice chat and no money generated from me. I called cops for illegal shooting under my window, and another time to check a missing neighbor– no money was generated.

        There’s something about hate that consumes the hater. I hope you can find love in your heart to forgive and release it. Yes, I like Ghost, I pray for those who persecute us, and ask God to bless them with a message they can understand. IF God wants a bad person to go to their lowest point of desperation to find Him, then that’s a blessing as it was for me long ago.

    • Roger the Shrubber says:

      Were you or your family murdered in your sleep last night? Was your house broken in to and taken by some drug gang? Were the female members of your family raped while shopping recently?

      I assume that you are somehow attributing the fact that these things did to happen due to the collective efforts of law enforcement. The corollary to that argument is that law enforcement, of lack thereof, is the reason why these things happen. Of course that is a ridiculous argument, as is yours.

      I ask you, when you see a police car in your rear view mirror, do you feel safe? I would suggest that most people are anxious in that situation, and that that is the true level of respect that has been earned by members of law enforcement.

      • I FIND THIS VERY INTERESTING THAT THIS IS THE 2ND TIME IN LESS THAN A WEEK, WHERE I HAVE TAKEN A BIBLICAL STAND ONLY TO HAVE SOME TROLL, WHO HAS NEVER POSTED HERE BEFORE, AND WHO WE WILL NOT SEE AGAIN, POST A VERY HARD COUNTER POINT OF VIEW.

        Roger I don’t know what planet YOU live on, but here on earth, the presence of Cops stops crime. Having been through a few hurricanes with looting aftermaths and riots, I know this from personal experience.

        • Having been on the receiving end of heinous criminal acts, I can say the nearby presence of police deter the criminal only in that they wait until the police’s back is turned.
          Further, as a victim of said crime, I was FURTHER vicitimized by a cop who decided I was the suspect, as they thought I fit a profile, and threatened with death at gun point WHILE IN HANDCUFFS IN A COP CAR and sitting silently.
          COPS are just another criminal (in a moral sense) gang. They just have the force of law on their side. And like any gang there are members who are otherwise good people in almost all ways, but whom kowtow to the gang for what it provides.
          When dealing with the cops the truth or moral right is not a defense. Refusing to open your mouth make you a suspect. Asking for an attorney makes you a suspect. Talking freely with the truth as you can recall it will be twisted to make you a suspect.
          This is the way the government and the lawyers and bankers that run it want things.
          You should have an attorney of your own on retainer. You have violated the law. (look up the study by a law professor about how often EVERYBODY in the country violates the law).
          You _are_ a criminal, the cops KNOW this, and are just hoping to catch you at the criminal act- or to pin something else even worse on you.

          • Chuck Findlay says:

            (You _are_ a criminal, the cops KNOW this, and are just hoping to catch you at the criminal act- or to pin something else even worse on you.)

            My brother is a sheriff and this is his exact thoughts. Not a good thing, but that’s who he is.

        • Ghost:

          Satan only attacks those he fears.

        • This is at least a little comical Ghost. You may very well be a christian, but as you instruct BC on forgiveness and prayer,you ‘shout’ in capital letters at someone who doesn’t agree with you.
          You personally have created an environment where others will ask themselves ,”why would they ever become a christian when their (christian), actions/reactions are no different then the worlds.”
          You’re not helping the cause.
          I’m sure someone is thinking “self-righteous hypocrite”.

        • Actually, Ghost, I think you’ll find better biblical support for the idea that the presence of the Holy Spirit – not cops – stops crime.

        • JeffintheWest says:

          I don’t know — it seems to me that you’re the one trying to prove a negative. Is it possible that my female relatives weren’t raped while shopping because they carefully select the places they will patronize, exercise due caution, and avoid dangerous situations? Somehow I think that might be more likely than some nebulous credit to the mere existence of police. Is it possible I wasn’t murdered in my sleep last night because I lock the doors, and chose NOT to live in downtown Detroit? Again, seems more likely to me than the presence of some cop at a donut shop five miles from here. The drug gang thing, maybe — the cops up here work hard at trying to keep them on the run, and I do appreciate that. But what’s your next argument? That the fact that a flood of biblical proportions didn’t happen is due to the vigilance of our police? No nuclear winter? Police. No alien invasion? They’re scared of our men in blue. C’mon now, be reasonable — cops do do a lot of good, but at the same time, they do a lot of harm to innocent people sometimes, just based on their own personalities. Similarly, so do DA’s, judges, defense attorneys, and so on. Admit there are two sides to every coin, and unfortunately when it’s a person placed in a position of power, and he or she abuses that power, it gets a lot more attention than when someone like me with no power can get away with going 42 in a 35 MPH zone once in a while. As I said before; if you are in a position of power, you have to avoid even the APPEARANCE of malfeasance — and I know whereof I speak since I was an officer in the United States Air Force, and a Squadron Commander; and you can’t afford to make even a single mistake under those circumstances, because it can and will end your career quite abruptly. And frankly, I expect my public servants (including the President of the United States — blue dresses notwithstanding) to meet or exceed those same standards that I was held to as a public servant. If that’s too much for them, then they need to find a different job. Especially if they’re going to be carrying a gun….

        • Roger the Shrubber says:

          Ghost – I found this site as it was linked in a forum that I frequent that highlights police misconduct. I apologize if I challenge your understanding of the effectiveness of the presence of police. Many others here have expressed the same sentiment I have regarding this issue, so I will refrain from repeating in an effort to spare your feelings. I have no animosity towards your biblical proclivities. Peace to you.

        • Bubster says:

          Horseshit. Cops are criminal thugs with badges. After an encounter, I have never thought “I have just been protected and served”.

    • Cops don’t prevent rape or murder, they just take down names and start the cleanup process. We have lots of cops here and lots of murders per capita.

      • My husband works were he interacts with cops on a regular basis, every so often he meets one who he thinks is OK, but the majority he thinks are not.

        I have had a couple of good interactions with cops and a couple of bad. I am completely clean cut, so I do think that minimizes how likely I am to have the bad. The good were that both times someone ran into my husband and my cars an officer was there right away (I don’t know how they happened to be, but they were and that was convenient). One time the guy was so drunk he kept standing up at an angle, like in the cartoons, and then falling down. The other time it was a Hispanic woman with a kid who was not strapped in when she plowed into us and then she ran from the scene with the kid in arm and an injured leg, the officer went after her and retrieved her. Strangely enough she had insurance that paid compensation although I did have to argue the amount up. I mention that she is HIspanic because accidents with unlicensed and/or uninsured and/or person at fault fleeing the scene around here are common and 99.9% Hispanic. The main problem I have with this incident is she didn’t get charged with anything and if it had been us who had behaved the same I guarantee they would have gone after us with every charge and fee they could come up with. That is also common around here. Yes bad cops and inconsistent law enforcement cause a breakdown in order and the law. Truckers need to put cameras in and under their trucks and start loading all of the crooked cop footage to a website (preferably mirrored over several sites/servers). The truth with proof will set us free.

      • Maybe you need MORE cops. Or just more effective cops.

  3. I was independent and a preferred target for “law enforcement” because it was highly unlikely that I could afford a lawyer or take the time off to defend against a lie. Even my small town cops here have been nut jobs. One was arrested for demanding bribes and carnal knowledge of a minor IN HIS PATROL CAR! The other was fired from the small town next door,hired by my town,found guilty of extreme racism AGAIN, and now is employed by the hodge police department.

    • I don`t talk to cops iether.My mom used to be a nurse at the local honor farm. It was run by the sherrifs dept so my mom in a way worked for the sherrifs dept.I tell that to the sherrif deputies that I see and I get along fine with them.I do not say word one to local cops though. Especially since my skank in law.The local hiway patrol is ok in my area. The local cops do not like them since the hp will arrest local cops if they are drunk.

  4. Tactical G-Ma says:

    BC,
    I know what you say is true. And the good cops see so much horror and danger that they eventually become jaded and treat everyone as a criminal.
    I will say that our county Sheriff is a fine man. A local yokel who can’t pass wind without his momma getting a call. He has a small force and a realitively small as in population county. He holds tight reign on his deputies and makes certain that infractions by his deputies are addressed openly. Of course, before him was a sheriff who held office for 40 years and belonged to the good-ole-boy-club. And I can’t say how they treat truckers these days. It’s just a sad state of affairs. “Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.” – John Dalberg-Acton.

    • I have had a few bad experiences with police but none were traumatic to date. In each case I chalked it off as a crummy person with a badge.

      On the other hand, I’ve relied on them many times and have been treated well and in some cases exceptionally well. I am saddened to see the videos lately of police committing egregious crimes against citizens since I know this is probably still the exception rather than the rule.

      All that said, I think training will still be the best way to teach the police that they are there to serve and protect the public and not themselves.

      • I wish it where true that the increase in murder by cops was the exception,but there is no way to deny it isn’t.

        • Tactical G-Ma says:

          I know Law Enforcement can be very dangerous. But if you aren’t trained well enough to wait that split second to differentiate between a gun and a cane then you need another job.

    • TGM
      or as the Russians say, “Near Czar-Near Death”, it’s the same idea.

  5. Rider of Rohan says:

    Here is my latest encounter with a cop. In October I stopped in Hope, Ar., to gas up on my way to Mountain View, Ar. When I got back on I-30 I noticed a sign that said Old Washington, Ar. Well, that was where several men, including Jim Bowie met to plot the Texas Revolution, and I wanted to see it. It was also the place where the Bowie Knife was invented. Long story short. I needed to turn around, drove a few miles and still no exit, so I used a turnaround that said “official use only”.

    Needless to say, I was pulled over by an Arkansas State Policewoman. She was very professional, asked me for my registration and DL, and I volunteered to her that I was a concealed carry holder and that I had a firearm in my vehicle. She calmly asked me to step out of my vehicle and wait, called in my info to whoever, and came back and told me to have a great day.

    I honestly don’t know how anyone could have been more professional. And she didn’t give me a ticket or even a warning ticket after I told her why I wanted to turn around. She did mention that an exit was 2 miles away, and that these turnarounds were for emergency vehicles.

  6. Hunker-Down says:

    Your experiences seem to explain why personnel review boards in the law enforcement field seek out thugs to employ. They can generate more revenue for city coffers than an honest person would.
    I’m leaning toward the idea that when TSHTF, law enforcement will be one of the most widespread threats, i.e. Katrina.

    • Katrina was a perfect example of the thug/gang mentality that prevails in the police departments. They went door to door kicking them in and taking legally owned firearms from the hands of terrified citizens. That’s what they are willing to do to people over a hurricane. Can you imagine what they are capable of doing if the government calls for gun confiscation? I have no doubt that they will all do what they are told.

      • BC,
        Part of the issue during Katrina, was the importation of LEO’s from outside the area. The problem with this is that there is a regional cultural bias and this showed. There were several examples of police disarming or attempting to disarm citizens. One thing that was left out of these incidents was the fact that some of the LEO’s in this situation were on loan from NY, where the idea of a citizen owning a firearm is not the same as LA, or even OH for that matter.

        • Also, there were snipers reported and a few crazies who wanted to keep parts of New Orleans as their new “Mad Max” type kingdoms.

          “Call me snake”, Escape from New York 1980′s

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    • I once had to stop at the weigh station in Wilits calif. I was driving a single axle Isuzu box truck with a 6 cylender diesle.I got a red light so I stopped at the scale. An officer came out of the building and walked up to my truck. He asked me what I had in the truck and I told him body parts. He kinda grinned and I said autobodyparts !! He laughed and told me to have a nice day.

  7. Donna in MN says:

    Lets see, I drove a semi for a couple years hauling International Harvester and contracted with other deliveries so I didn’t dead head home. Not once was I stopped. At a weigh station I had to adjust the weight distribution but no tickets, no hassle.

    I have counted mostly good behaving cops towards me, but some were bad.

    I traveled all over this country from Los Angeles to Boston. The bad cops did not know the laws they were supposed to enforce. One didn’t care to investigate a crazy woman shooting at me, another with a crazy man who was shooting at me. They said I need a bullet in me or a video of the incident. I was warned by a good cop that a bad cop was interested in dating my daughter who beat his girlfriends.

    Good cops have caught me speeding, I reported crimes, or needed their help for injured people. A good cop told me many bad cops seek the job to exert authority and power over other people for their own ego which he said were the wrong reasons. The town cops helped escort me to my vehicle when a man threatened me at a dance (I wouldn’t let him go home with me).

    The last experience I had with a cop it was to help a heart attack victim and the cop was a trained EMT first on the scene at a remote boat landing. I saw him later at a restaurant in town and thanked him for his service.

    I am sorry you had such bad experience. I wonder if it was by your appearance which may be what law enforcers call profiling, and you ran into bad luck with ego maniacs out to get your money. I think many cops were nice to me because I was an attractive longhaired blonde. I also had a sticker on my truck that supported law enforcement because most of them are good to me where I live now. When I am old and ugly we’ll see if that sticker has anything to do with it. ☺

    • i sometimes wonder if my appearance might have had an affect on how i was percieved and treated. ive had a beard since 1980. sometimes it was long enough to braid and others it was just 1/2 inch long. back when i had hair,it was past my shoulders in a ponytail most often,then as the traitors fell out of my skull i kept it trimmed whatever length my beard was. i chose trucking as a proffesion for many reasons,one of them being the amount of personal freedom it allowed. i always felt that on some level,cops hated me for my expression of that freedom.

      • JeffintheWest says:

        Personal appearance does matter — we get judged immediately in those kinds of situations, and if you don’t meet society’s “norms” (whatever those may be), you are immediately suspect. If you have long hair or otherwise don’t match “Joe Square” in appearance they’re going to assume you are probably running drugs or doing something nefarious. It’s the same rule behind the “stop and frisk” policy in NYC. Sadly, there is some justification for it — you don’t find too many blond scandinavian illegal immigrants; nor do you find too many short-haired military-looking types running pot farms. It’s still profiling, but it’s called a profile because it tends to hold true. Unfortunately that means that guys like you get tarred with the same brush, and sometimes a real bad actor (who just might happen to actually BE a crew-cut, blonde, scandinavian type) gets off scot-free.

    • Bewildered says:

      Donna – Wait, you get along with almost every police officer you encounter, but you have been shot at by not only a “crazy man” but a “crazy woman” as well? In two SEPERATE incidents? I don’t know what to make of that….

  8. As an ex driver I concur with what BC says about the cops on the road. Anytime you saw blues, you knew you were about to get screwed. The question was… how bad… and what trick did they have up their sleeves. The only thing they are there to protect and serve is their future paycheck.

    During the 90′s one of the companies I drove for was JB Hunt. Anyone that spent any time behind the wheel knows that their trucks are some of the slowest on the road. The only ones we could pass was Swift. I got yanked in Ohio for 74 in a 55, in a truck that was governed at 62 and on flat ground. Exactly how is that possible? It’s not. Either he out and out lied, or clocked a car and decided to pick on the truck. The company had me take the truck to a dealership to have the speedo and governor certified then they fought the ticket.

    I am trying to think of any good encounters I have had with the cops as a civilian and in all honesty… I can’t think of any.

    There are even some cops that currently look down on me even though I am also a LEO…. albeit of the Correctional Officer variety. I’ve been harassed at so called sobriety checkpoints when I have been in uniform and either on my way to work, or home from work. Funny thing is…. there are NO bars even remotely close to this stretch of road where they set up. However the majority of the Correctional officers get to pass it. Most of the time it’s state troopers manning this checkpoint. Makes ya wonder.

    Quite frankly… there are so many crappy cops out there with a power trip that I don’t want to have any dealings with ANY cop. I just don’t need the headaches.

  9. Rider of Rohan says:

    And Bctruck, here’s one more encounter I had very close to your Home 20 a few years ago. I was on my way back from Florida with my wife, 3 kids, and my mother. I left Destin, Fl., at around 8am on my way to my mother’s home near Three Creeks, AR. The girls wanted to stop at every fruit/vegetable stand and flea market along the road on the way home, so it was now after 9 pm and I was still on the road. To say I was tired and disgusted is an understatement.

    So, being a little impatient, when I was leaving the city limits of Haynesville, La., I hit the gas pedal a little early, and was pulled over by a Haynesville city policeman for going 58 in a 45.

    The officer asked for my DL and registration, my wife opened the glove compartment, and there was my pistol all bright and shiny. The officer immediately asked me to exit my vehicle. I did so, and he asked me if I knew I was speeding. I proceeded to tell him my story, leaving out none of the gory details of numerous starts and stops at flea markets and such. I guess he felt sorry for me. He asked me if I had a violation over the past 2 years, and that if I hadn’t, he would just give me a warning. Well, I hadn’t, so I got off with a warning.

    He never mentioned the firearm in my glove box. And I have no complaints about the behavior of this officer. He was courteous, professional, and best of all didn’t give me anything but a warning ticket. I’ve always thought that officer probably had something similar to that happen to him, he seemed very sympathetic. In any event, he handled the situation the way it should have been handled. But, he could just as easily have given me a ticket, because in all honesty I was speeding.

  10. I think the key point was in the Supreme Court decision, I believe in 2006 or so, where plaintiff sued that cops did not protect him. SCOTUS unequivocally ruled that cops are not legally obliged to “protect and serve” regardless of what their logos, shields and badges state. Their job is to enforce the law. Hence, no longer are cops called “peace officers” but “law enforcement officers” and they are to enforce the “law,” no matter how wrong, egregious or self-serving it may be. I treat all cop encounters as adversarial, and scrupulously avoid all encounters if at all possible.

    For all who would counter with “but MY (fill in the blank relative) is the BEST cop around and would NEVER behave this way…” I point to the above post that if you know about wrongdoing and do nothing, you are equally guilty, and if you do not know about wrongdoing, you are mentally deficient and should not be carrying a gun .

    • Unfortunately, “Law Enforcement Officers” do not know the law. How could they when they don’t go to “law” school?

      My DH was carrying his gun on his side after someone broke into the house across the street. The first officer on the scene started harassing him about it. There is NO law on the books that says you can’t open carry. The second officer on the scene made the first officer back off.

      And yes, my DH made it to the house from 12 miles away faster than the officers whose precinct building is less than 2 miles from the house, even though there was a possibility that someone had been injured in the house.

  11. The problem for me isn’t that there are no good cops, but that there are so many bad ones who get through their entire careers without being fired, arrested, tried, and imprisoned.

    My gripe is looking at YouTube videos of two cops grabbing a guy throwing him to the ground for a third to spend a couple minutes beating the s*** out of him, while half a dozen other cops go about their business filling out form. They don’t even ignore the multi-minute beating: It is obvious that the beating is so routine for them that it doesn’t even register with them.

    My gripe is a County Sheriff coming up to my guy who was asking the County Clerk for a permit to collect signatures to put a third party on the presidential ballot, and the sheriff, in my presence, gets in my guys face and says “What you are doing is REAL unhealthy.”

    And I find out later that the entire sheriff’s department is a drug ring, the fire department is an arson ring, and the political boss who was also the head of the school board paid off a juror when one of the gang was actually tried.

    For more on that one see here, with a link to an LA Times article about the criminals who controlled the entire Mingo County WV government::

    http://wudndux.blogspot.com/2013/01/corruption-in-mingo-county-west-virginia.html

    My gripe is reporting that three plain clothes officers beat a co-worker of mine for the crime of insufficient servility, hauled us downtown beat him again, and when we filed a report with the Internal Affairs dept complete with photos they took of his bruises, they would up by telling that “Of course you realize that we can do nothing unless someone else files the same complaint against them in the next 30 days” at which point I realize the IA dept existed to protect criminals, not weed them out.

  12. Most of my experiences with badges have been good not bad. There is always one here and there but generally speaking the older the officer the better. Now locally the S.O. tends to be Peace Officers and the city police tend to be law enforcement officers. It is a totally differ mind set. The S.O. has older personal that spent years working real world jobs and then started working as officers after they were 40. The P.D. has a lot of 20 something’s. All in all they know me and would help me as long as it did cause them problems . The flip side is the older ones know me as a former national guardsman and as a formor EMT who has never been in trouble with the law. The younger ones know me as a small business owner who can fix there starters ,alternators and tools. The local head of the HP is also a regular . I never ask for favors but in this small towns they tend to look the other way if you aren’t a regular problem.

  13. Ghost, you are a fool.

    First, cops don’t stop crime from happening. The sometimes investigate a crime after it has happened. The public would do a better job of protecting itself with our GOD given rights of self defense than the government can with all it’s asinine laws.

    remember, when you only have seconds to live the cops are several minutes away.
    Everyday there are more stories about thug cops abusing the very people they work for. The people they are sworn to protect.

    Second, regarding Romans 13 – I guess you’ll be accepting the mark of the beast when the government tells you to huh?! Or perhaps you’ll turn in a neighbor or family member to be killed when they want you to.

    • Friend,we try not to call each other names here,like inbred or fool. It stymies discussion and prevents the kind of commenting and and interaction that is conducive to us learning from one another. My reality and experiences are no more value than yours or ghosts.

      • Thanks, BC. I agree. There has been too much anger the last week or two, and I think we are better off minimizing it.

        Some people have had generally good experiences, and that colors their beliefs. Some of us have had rather bad ones, and that naturally enough colors ours.

        I do suspect that we would be better off without police departments and the laws they enforce. They have become an occupying force, part of a legal system -not a criminal justice system– which sucks up our tax money, criminalizes trivial offenses, shows up after the real crimes have been committed, and commits crimes themselves.

        • “occupying force”.now that is a perfect description.

        • Penrod,
          You stated in part, “I do suspect that we would be better off without police departments” and my only question is, what is the alternative. What we need to do is get involved and pressure the politicians who fund the agencies, to make their employees stay withing the bounds of the law.
          EROL (Excessive rule of law) vs. WROL (Without . . .) is a choice that a free and involved people should not have to make.

          • Tactical G-Ma says:

            I have 2 experiences of living without LE. As an Appalachian white from way back in the sticks, our only law was guys in pointy hats. Of course they did bad things but my aunt’s FIL beat his wife and was locked in a smoke house and fed food and water for one week. The other instance was my first sweetheart. His father got drunk and shot his wife in the leg. causing amputation of the leg. The boyz in robes hung the father in a tree by the neck til dead. These were all white folks. If people do not have law enforcement, vigilante law will occur. We humans crave safety.
            Also, my first home on my own was just outside Anchorage, Alaska. There was maybe 1 or 2 troopers who had a huge area to patrol. So when the troopers got caught up in storms, murders (divorces) occurred, the bodies went to the coroner (or the wolves) but by the time the troopers got to the scene, weeks maybe months later, there was no evidence to convict anyone. I prefer having LE but there is wrong doing hich I don’t like.

            • Tactical – I grew up on stories from my mom about the guys in the pointy hats and white robes “taking care of” problems like wife beaters and drunkards who spent all their money on liquor and not feeding their children. None of the stories I heard ever involved someone of a different color until I got older. Unfortunately history will only remember the bad things that happened.

          • Hi OhioPrepper, “what is the alternative.” Pretty much what Tactical G-Ma suggests. I’m not suggesting it would be paradise -just look at Somalia– but there are places and times where a culture might well be better off than we currently are.

            Remember: There were no police forces until the 19th century. There were magistrates, and they could have people help them pursue or rescue people. Police forces, though, are a development which took place after the Revolution.

            I would be delighted to have police forces which are kept muzzled and leashed: They are supposed to be our honored and honorable employees, serving us by doing things we don’t have time or inclination to do ourselves.

            However, they have all too often morphed into standing armies which think their place is as rulers who are not to be questioned or challenged under any circumstances.

            If they can’t be put back under control, their armored vehicles and machine guns taken away from them, and learn that they work for us and not the other way around, then I would accept abolishing them as less bad than the way they are going.

            • Penrod,
              IN other words, make “Protect and Serve” meaningful once again. I could go for that.

              • Exactly. I want police forces that protect and serve. It’s the ones which harass and assault which I can do without.

              • Blkprepper says:

                Agreed, being a Leo used to be a profession school kids looked up to; now they must run and hide for fear of being beaten or shot.

    • I am a little late to the post and am only around 40% through it and have noticed that at least 3 people attacking Ghost are people whose handles I have NEVER seen before on this forum.

      • Encourager says:

        I noticed that, too, PP.

        Folks, if you are new to our site, please take an hour or two and read through comments. We usually all get along well. Sometimes a topic pushes ‘buttons’ and things get heated. But we DO NOT lose our respect for each other.

        We DO NOT appreciate your attacking our friends!!!!!! Behave or go away.

        • JP in MT says:

          PP & Enc:

          Yep, it’s one thing to have a “fight” in the family. But that doesn’t mean you get a “free swing” if your just getting to the party.

  14. From my experience cops are high testosterone, alpha males who want to push around anyone they can. I have students who get pulled over weekly because cops are profiling them and their cars. Anyone who has a nice car with tinted windows and rims is going to get pulled over frequently, especially if they are black or Hispanic.

    And note that the police have no legal obligation to protect you. They do not exist to serve and protect. They are not public servants. They spend most of their time harassing people.

    • when my wife and i would drive out west and in texas, we would joke about all the drivers committing the crime of DWM and would be standing outside their cars with their kids and wife while the cops ransacked the vehicle. (DWM=driving while mexican)

  15. Cops and feds are not your friends!!! They are armed thugs there to collect bogus assed fines and think they are above you and the law they are paid to enforce. We are living in a police state at this time. Don’t agree?!?! Well seems everyday there is a news story off some cop/cops shooting the innocent, old, and dogs as fast as they can.

  16. I have known cops on both sides, good and bad, a lot of it depends on the relationship that you have with the community, sometimes the local cops are OK, but the sheriff is an issue, sometimes the other way around. The problem revolves around power. The job itself can be pretty awful, and sometimes the wrong type of person is drawn towards it and they abuse the power given to them, I have known good cops that had to leave their positions because they would not “play ball” with the bad cops, and I have known good cops in really bad area that had to put up with a ton of bad stuff, gang-bangers and the like, and had no support from the city or even the locals. I have also had cops be a true asset during times of trouble, I ran a store in a really bad part of town and I relied on the local cops to help me deal with the shoplifters, they were amazing! I have also run stores in good neighborhoods where the cops would do nothing regarding shoplifting, and would only write parking tickets for the revenue.
    I try to in this stage of my life, to keep a good working relationship with the cops I have to deal with, I feel for the most part they are good, but you have to make sure you are watching out for yourself, I know I am responsible for my safety.

  17. Cops have an “us” vs “them” attitude. And you can get “us” to do anything to “them”. There was an experiment a number of years ago at the U of Iowa (I think it was there, it’s been about 30 years) to observe behavior of guards and prisoners. The students all knew one another. Some were friends. The guards were given nice uniforms and batons. The prisoners plain jumpsuits. The 7 day study was stopped after 48 hours because the researchers were concerned the guards might hurt or even kill a prisoner.

    • i just saw an interview with the man that conducted the experiment. very interesting spotlight on the human physche and how easy it is to manipulate it .

  18. I too am sorry you have had such bad experiences!
    …I have always treated police officers with respect…
    And have always been treated with respect!

    To me…the police are my hero’s…along with the military, fire, ambulance…and many others.
    They have the hardest jobs.

    I know there are bad policemen and women….and even a good police officer has a bad day….

    Having so many bad experiences may actually bring out a certain pre-
    Judgement behavior when you next meet an officer…which may actually make things uneasy…instead of having a possible positive GOOD experience it might already on the rocks.
    An officer uses trainingexperience and street smarts/gut feeling and may be getting a fix on your past bad experiences and attitude so for self protection already marks you as whatever they feel based on how you are with them.

    Meeting a stranger…everyone of us…instantly judges each other.

    And if YOU are an officer even more so you have to trust your gut …

    Your life as an officer is always on the line.

    • Believe me,my attitude towards a police officer is nothing but polite and respectful. It’s the only way you can have any impact on thier attack on your wallet. If they don’t like you,the amount,severity and dollar figure of whatever they say you have done,goes up exponentially in accordance with how subservient you behave.

  19. It was just as bad in a vehicle marked with an oilfield service company logo. I used to hand out hundred dollar bills like they were business cards and then write them off on my expense account. In particular, Golden Meadow, LA comes to mind, go through there in a oilfield vehicle and you made a donation no matter what. It’s still on speed trap lists but they’d cite you for driving under the limit if you tried to dodge it that way so no matter what you were going to make that donation.

  20. expose_the_devils says:

    I am a longtime reader of this blog and appreciate a lot of the good article, people and tips, however on this topic I have decided to chime in. It is not a question of whether the police are friend or foe, but rather a question of “function.” The police are corporations acting under color of law, and as such function in a corporate revenue generating function. They have no authority to save you and the only authority they have, you give them through your own voluntary interaction, and in that capacity they are not your friends. The media, judiciary and police forces are the glue that hold together the rest of the corporate corruption that has victimized this nation, and when the order comes down to crush dissent, they will work in tandem to do so by any means necessary, and that includes the so called “good cops.” For the naive, silly people who believe otherwise, just look around you at the senseless shootings, beatings and other aggressive behaviors… you can always tell a tree by the fruit it bears and the most telling thing is the so called “code of silence.” Granted, there may be good cops, but overall they stand silent while the bad ones abuse the men and women of this nation and that silence does not allow the viewer to distinguish a difference. My advice, live upright, rely on yourself, and never call them……………………ever.

  21. Lauri no e says:

    There is good and bad in every profession not just cops. Just to name a few (like I said good and bad) Politicians, teachers, doctors, lawyers, firemen, cops, contractors, actors, realtors, investors and the list goes on and on.

    I try to not judge a person by there profession or the color of the skin but we all have been guilt.

    Please pray for your police force they do put there life on the lines everyday to protect us and yes there are some bad ones.

    I wonder last fall my retired fireman brother that is a reserved cop making minimum wage if that man he did cpr on for 16 minutes before the paramedics got there hated cops. He saved his life and stayed with the family afterwards to make sure everyone was ok.

    I wonder about the college kid that was on spring break one time that my brother could had filed a lot of charges on him that day but gave him 15 minutes to clear his stuff out and go home and the kid argued with him that he had paid rent on the house for a week for spring break. See my brother was down helping his son that is a cop with the spring break college kids, one of those college kids drunk buddy hit my nephew (who is a cop )in the face plus they were drinking under age and had underage girls with them in the house. My brother said I will give you a choice to pack and leave in 15 minutes or go to jail. He chose to pack up and leave.

    Also, this son has received a award from MADD for all the drunk drivers he has stopped on a major interstate. I wonder how many lives he has saved by doing that.

    My brother and his 2 sons have won police officer of the year and it all boils down to honesty. His second son when he won police officer of the year he told his boss when his son was 16 years old he didn’t know which side of the bars he would be standing own but my brothers love and discipline paid off in raising his son.

    When my daughter was 14 years old and 3 black boys walked up to her threaten her with a gun, I told her it wasn’t the color of their skin it was the mentality of their brain. Oh how I am thankful I didn’t teach her to hate blacks or police officers because she had a job one time where a black retired police took over her shift late a night and he would have her call him back at work to make sure my daughter made it home safe at night.

    Also my parents were in a very bad wreck where the truck drivers brakes failed and he had being telling his boss his brakes were going bad. The next day the truck driver came to the hospital to see my dad to tell him he was sorry and he had just got fired from his job, my dad said it was accident son and he and my dad prayed together.

    Their is good and bad in every profession not just cops.

    I’m sorry you received bad treatment bc, but I have had bad supervisors in jobs that just look to get you for something.

    My family has also dealt with some bad cop situations, I guess my point is it gets down to character

    • Unlike most other professions, cops carry guns and use their position of authority to intimidate others–sort of like Hitler’s SS.

      • And their testimony will always be believed over the defendants. That is the great thing about camera phones: quite a few victims of criminal police assaults have been freed from felony charges filed because cops lied.

    • Beans-N-Bullets says:

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  22. My experience in the Southwest ( Texas and mostly Arizona ) is that the rural sheriff dept’s are not all that bad , The city scum are a different story , most of those jackasses should be given only one bullet , like Barney Fife .

  23. Driver Mike says:

    For well over 35 years I have had a commercial drivers Lic. with every endorsment you can get so their is nothing that i cannot drive. I have never been an over the road driver. I have only driven localy in MD,Va,DC,PA NJ, area. Driving has always been incidental to my job. usuly driving a large piece of mobile equipment.
    My interactions with Law Enforcment has been quite mixed. On several occasions when I had a vehicle malfunction they would help out calling a service truck or locating a service co who could help me. Or as in one case where I was sitting at a stop light in DC, when a lady pulled out from a side street and drove directly under the flatbed truck i was driving. It was a predominatly black area of DC. She then got out of her car and started to yell and shout that i had just driven over her car. A Black DC Officer pulled up took one look at the situation, walked over to me and asked what had happend, while the lady was still screeming at the top of her lungs at me and anyone who would listen. I told him I was sitting still at the red light when the woman pulled out of the side street and just drove right under the truck. He told the lady to be quiet calm down and tell him her side of the story. He was acting very profesional but I was not hopeful due to the area I was in. After she told the officer her side of the story he just looked at her and said if thats how this happend how come all the damage is in a line on your hood up to the windshield and only in the one area of my truck frame. At that point she says what does that mater just give the honky a ticket so i can sue him. At that point he told her to start her car and back it out from under my truck, doing a lot more damage to her car. The officer then walked over to me gave me my license back and said Have a nice day sir, I now have several tickets to write up for this lady.
    More recently I was teaching a new driver to opperate a large piece of mobile equipment, in fact she had been driving it for all of 10 min. when we got pulled over by a Frederick Co. Md Deputy sheriff doing Truck enforcment dutys. He asked for her Lic and the truck Registration as she was getting her Lic out i said to the officer the reg. was on my side and i would get it out for her. I got told I didnt ask you. Just sit there and dont say annything. It went way down hill from there not from anything we had done just a very belligerant Un profesional Jerk who wanted to teach a new driver who was boss on these roads. I guess the badge had gone to his head.

  24. I was incarcerated i Oklahoma county jail a few years ago (a notoriously crooked deputy infested place) for a very small offense. I was minding my own business when a deputy stated, “I havent had my zoloft today…feelin a little ‘out of it’. I asked, “they let crazy people be cops?” Before I could even chuckle at my own joke I was kicked in the testicles so hard it took my breath away. I did not stop to think about it…I defended myself. ONE HIT, to the jaw. Then I backed away and layed on the ground with my hands behind my back. I was immidiately pummeled. I was beaten three times a day (once per shift) EVERY day for two weeks by no less than 3 cops at a time. They severel times made it VERY clear this was happening because the officer I “attacked” was a close friend of sherrif John Wehtsel. As a result of this life experience I am now on a VERY long suspended court sentence for “aggravated assault of an officer of the peace”. You wont hear too many ‘good cop’ stories. The following statement comes from a man who has a brother and father who were cops….”good cops” don’t exsist.

    • Beans-N-Bullets says:

      YES WE DO

      • Tell us your stiry brother. I would love to hear how you stopped a fellow cop from beating someone or committing a crime. I would love to hear how you have changed the us against all those who arent cops, attitude.If you are an oath keeper, I would suspect that the firsrt order of keeping your oath would to be to clean up your own backyard. I would love to hear how youve done that.

        • Beans-N-Bullets says:

          I have done that and I’ve done it for the past 20 years

        • bc, I don’t know what ur intention was in this thread. However, ur need to refute every poster that disagrees w/ ur viewpoint & affirm everyone that agrees w/ u, is becoming extremely divisive. Why don’t u back off a little, & now that u’ve made your experience & viewpoint clear, let others do the same. MD asked u to present ur pts in a fair & balanced way. Some of us would appreciate it if u could do that. I would like to think that u’re able to do that w/out feeling a need to refute everyone who disagrees w/ u.

          • Bctruck says:

            Red c, I’ve answered people who addressed me directly,like yo. There a dozen or more commenters in support of police who I’ve said nothing to. This is the third article I’ve written and has been published on this blog. If you will look at the comments on my other articles you will see that I was far more interactive with commenters on this, so I don’t think you’ve got your facts right and I’m very very proud to have gone from a guy who has been a bit embarrassed of his writing skills and jack of spelling and punctuation skills,to a guy that has very hard to improve and if I’m to involved in an article that is wrote,we’ll,,, I don’t know what to tell you. I certainly don’t agree that I’ve made an effort to refute those who had a positive experience with cops. A simple read back through the comments will show you that. In fact I’m extremely puzzled why you would say something that is simply untrue and easily proven so. I’m curious what your motivation to make such a clearly erroneous statement us.

          • JeffintheWest says:

            Pot calling the kettle black, buddy.

  25. I have had a few personal experiences with cops, some good and some not so good.

    There was a local cop that had the drug sniffing dog. He would pull teens over and demand that they give him their drugs, if they claimed that they did not have any he would detain them on the side of the road, call for backup and low and behold a small amount of weed would appear. The teens would keep some just to give to him when they were pulled over. After several years and lots of complaints he was finally fired.

    I know a guy who was hired by the county pd straight out of high school. He discovered later that the only reason he was hired is because his mom was friends with someone that they wanted to arrest but they could never get any evidence against him. The pd even tried to get him to plant evidence in this person’s home. He quit because he could not stand to be a part of something so crooked.

    I use to have a little sports car with tinted windows. I was pulled over several times and as soon as the cops seen that they had a middle aged white woman who had her seat belt on they let me go. :) One of my son’s told me that it is because of the way I dress and act is why I do not get pulled over. I just smiled at him and said see it pays to dress decently.

    Yes cops do profile, we all do to some extent. Unfortunately it is the person who is dressed nice and speaks politely that you have to watch out for. I am thinking serial killer here or pedophile. I am getting sidetracked here.

    I have had a couple of cops stop to help me if I was broke down on the side of the road and I seen a cop just last week helping someone with their car.

    • I know what you mean about appearances. When I was in graduate school I got pulled over by a state trooper (who was very respectful and polite). Maybe that’s because I was driving a truck and I had a Bible on my front seat and had just come home from bible study. It turns out I had been driving around for three years with an expired tag. (It had never occurred to me that I had to have a sticker on my license plate–I was very young.)

  26. OF course I read then net and watch the news so I know that there are some real problems in the LE community. Their problem is after all, they are human beings. Our problem is the same. As humans we find it easier to remember the members of a group that standout the most and those are usually the bad members of that group.

    All of my contacts with civilian LEO’s has been professional and courteous even if I did always end up with a ticket. In each case I was speeding and was taking steps to pull over before the officer had turned around to come after me.
    1 State Trooper could have arrested me for driving on a suspended license but he didn’t when I worked into the conversation that I had just returned from the Gulf War and had no idea that my DL was suspended.
    All of my other contacts was as a Ride Captain with the Patriot Guard conducting escorts for funerals, welcome homes and Wreaths Across America.
    I just realized… I have never been pulled over by the law when I was on my motorcycle. Not once. 1973 to present. Wait… there was that time in England…

  27. In the mid 90′s I was a LEO. Was on the dept for about a year. Turned out, I wasn’t a very good cop. I had, and still have a pretty laid back attitude toward most things in life. I’d see a few kids smoking a joint, I have them put it out, grind it up, scatter it to the winds and chase them off. I guess that mentality made me a “bad” cop in the eyes of the other officers. I found a majority of cops to be bullies and not all that bright. Keeping in mind I knew, and still know a few cops who I have nothing but respect for. Smart, professional men and women. But looking back on that time in my life, I don’t have too many good things to say about most of the officers I worked with on a day in, day out basis. Whenever I encounter an LEO today, I keep my hands where they can see them. Tell them immediately about my pistol. I do exactly what they instruct me to do. I don’t reach for anything until told to do so. I treat them with respect and sometimes a little humor. For instance, when I got stopped a few years ago for having my brights on. I was pulled over, went through the license and registration thing. He asked if I’ve been drinking? “no”. “Have you been smoking pot?” “No sir. I’m not in high school anymore.” It got the cop smiling and he sent me on my way. Generally I try to stay “GREY” and avoid any and all LEO’s

  28. Rider of Rohan says:

    I guess my interactions with LEO are different, as I’ve never had an issue and I’m on up there in years. Well, there was that one time, but bottom line I was in the wrong(minor in possession of alcohol).

    My best friend is a 911 dispatcher with the county. I met him at a meeting of the Local Emergency Planning Committee. We hit it off because he has an interest in guns and shooting, and we shoot together at least once a month. I go to church with 2 city police officers, 1 county officer and a retired game warden. We make up the security committee at our church, and the officers are the armed component of that committee. At least one of them has agreed to be at the church for every service. One of the city police is a criminal investigator, the other is the Assistant Chief. The county officer is the jailor at our County Detention Center. IMO there is not a greater bunch of guys, they give their time to make sure nothing bad happens at all our church services, and I honestly appreciate them. I’m sorry if some of you have had different experiences, I know some places are worse than others. These are my experiences with the police in my town.

    • I dont doubt what you say is true,and Im truly happy for you.Unfortunately,that is so rarely the case these days,that it sounds unbelievable.

  29. I am sorry had bad experiences with police. Like others, I have had past encounters with police officers, and mine range from brutal to compassionate.

    Are the police my friends? No. Do I treat them with respect? Yes, first because of the uniform. Until they prove themselves worthy of my personal respect, they don’t have my total respect.

    The problem is that you never know what kind of officer you are dealing with until it is too late. They could turn out to be a really helpful guy or one with an attitudinal problem waiting for an excuse to vent rage.

    I have family in law enforcement. Even they say, there are good cops, bad cops, and those who need to not be cops.

  30. Brad in South FL says:

    I have worked in Law Enforcement for over 20 years. I have run into good and bad guys in my chosen field. I have had victims of violent crimes thank me for catching the bad guy. I have been at high profile arrests for really bad guys that have made the media drool! At the start I am always polite and only give attitude when I get it. Most of the time it is because I was arresting a family member or the poor guy that was only caught with dope in his pants trying to feed his family. I will also tell you that I have run across those that are heavy handed and we all know those that love to escalate any situation. I have pulled people out of bad wrecks and held their hand until help arrives and even died. I have arrested sex offenders that hurt children. I even had a kid I helped years ago decide to go into law enforcement. I am not tooting my own horn but in this profession you get compliments and complaints. I am sorry for those who have bad experiences with the police. I know that sometimes we have to meet violence with violence but I can honestly say that I have never been violent towards anyone that wasn’t violent towards me and I have always believed that being nice is the way to go until it is time not to be nice! I won’t apologize for any other cop since I was not there but I got plenty of stories about rude layers, judges and even fast food restaurant workers! Walk in my shoes for a while, I have been on your side, try mine. Thus Endeth the rant sorry

    • expose_the_devils says:

      All it takes for evil to thrive is for good men to stand by and do nothing……………….many a cop is silent because they are only concerned about putting in their 20 and retiring with a pension……and thats the blackmail of most of them………………….that pension and the material life in the meantime…….bought and paid for, cha ching!

    • it’s all person specific. I have known lots of police officers that are at different points in the spectrum. I applaud you for the service you appear to have provided to your community. It’s the old adage about absolute power corrupting absolutely. Some people’s temperment should have kept them out of law enforcement, EMS, medical, judicial, etc. Any time your chosen career is in public service, we all hope that the only time we interact is a good one, but often it is not. I’ve interacted with doctors who acted like they hate patients, nurses who hate medics, police officers who use their position to vent their aggressions. How about pre school teachers who molest kids, or priests for that matter? The point is we all need to stop judging people by the uniform they wear and realize they’re fallible human beings and be ready for anything. As the Bible says, be wise as serpents and gentle as doves.

      • We are all fallable human beings,but there only some fallable human beings who can take your money,freedom,possessions,future. Its easy to accept the fact,and it is a fact, that we aree all fallable,but when you have the power to take or destroy lives,you must be infallable.

        • Brad in South FL says:

          bc,

          That decision is ultimately up to a judge, not the police. Unless you are talking about a deadly force encounter.

          • The decision to shoot an unarmed elderly man,in his bed,was not up to the judge. The cop who shot him said he was armed,then said he was reaching for a gun,then, when they determined that the angle of bullet entry could only have been accomplished if the man were lieing flat on his back,the cop said it was dark and he couldnt see,so he shot him just in case. This cop is on PAYYED administrative leave and iLL bet you money,he wont go to jail. Thats just one example. The sad fact is,EVERY SINGLE DAY there are more and more of these murder by cop scenarios. I stand by my original statement. Unless cops do some heavy cleaning in their own backyard, cops are the most dangerous humans that any of us have to face.What about all the horrific beatings of mentally handicapped people? People in wheel chairs shot dead, a father (unarmed) trying to stop his wife and daughter from argueing outside a movie theater, BEAT TO DEATH by 5 cops in front of his family. These are not isolated incidents. These are happening at an ever increasing and ever alarming frequency. quite frankly, I dont know how you could hold your head up in public knowing what the police forces have turned into. My final word is this,and i dont know how to say it without possibly stepping in some serious legal shit here. If a cop ever hurts my wife,or kills my dog,i wont rest till i have revenge. It seems thats the first order of police contact is to kick a door in and shoot the family pet.It seems like police can hurt or kill people at any time the mood strikes them as long as they are yelling “stop resisting” its acceptable. I just broke my vow of not talking to cops. this will be my only comment to you or anybody else i find out is a cop. Any interaction with cops results in a horrific outcome for noncops.Just so you know who you are talking to. Im a veteran, father of 4 kids (2 of whom served in iraq) and all are college educated and have great jobs. Ive never been arrested or put in handcuffs my entire life. Ive owned several businesss throughout my life. Ive volunteered in my community for anything from weedeating around the towns fireplugs and signs to helping the water department dig holes. I was road captain for the patriot guard riders. My wife and i donate time and money to homeless shelters and battered womens shelters. My peaceful,normal, norman rockwell life has taught me from my own interaction and abuse at the hands of law enforcement, you can not be trusted. You are the bad guys. You are the only real threat people face on a daily basis. Good day.

    • Brad in South FL says:

      First off I hit report by accident. Second, you my friend are part of the problem. You don’t know anything about law enforcement. Cops are prosecuted more than any non-cop. We are held to a higher standard than the general public. I invite you to join me at work. Unless you strap on a gun and badge to do the job you have no place to comment. Like I said walk in my shoes. Stop getting you info from TV and main stream media. I have seen bad cops go to jail and good ones charged and acquitted. The majority of cops bust their behinds and do a great job. Don’t like cops, next time call a crack head! And by the way Pack, neither myself or the guys I work with will ever try and confiscate guns. The only people that shouldn’t have them are convicted felons or mentally unstable people!

      • Brad in South FL says:

        my response was to expose the devils, not anyone else.

      • Hi Brad, ” Unless you strap on a gun and badge to do the job you have no place to comment. ”

        See, that’s part of the attitude problem which bothers me: You judge us, but you think we have no right to judge cops who beat the crap out of non-violent people.

        When the Denver cops beat up my co-worker twice, we had been stopped because I had peed on the side of a building on the way home from a bar. I was the the law breaker. The cops chose to beat up my co-worker because he was insufficiently servile.

        Telling me I have no place to comment is so far out of line with a decent cop’s attitude that I am having a tough time keeping my mouth shut.

        YOU and your attitude that we have no place judging our servants’ actions are the problem, buster. You are the problem. Don’t you dare tell me I have no place commenting. You are a public servant. You are NOT a ruler. You work for US. We do not exist to serve you, nor do we exist to bow down to thugs in uniforms who think they are above being judged by the people who pay their wages.

        The best thing to happen recently has been the development of cell phone cameras and YouTube because together they let us bring our criminal servants to heel in ways we never could before. That is exactly why there are so many videos on YouTube of thugs in uniform threatening their employers for videoing thugs actions. The thugs in uniform know the threat video evidence poses to their continued criminal assaults on their employers.

        If you have a problem with your employers judging you, get a new job.

      • JeffintheWest says:

        I’m calling bullshit on that. As a free people we ALWAYS have the right to comment on people in a position of power over us, especially when they abuse that power. And you, as a badge-wearing, gun-packing member of that power structure have an obligation to avoid even the APPEARANCE of any impropriety or misuse of the power you have been granted by a free people. If that somehow strikes you as “unjust,” that’s just too bad.

      • Brearbear says:

        @brad…above you will see my comment.
        …in my comment you will see i consider YOU a hero to me!

        … all people have their right to an opinion…and i have given mine.

        …when their is no policeman around…I AM the police to the best of my abilities…may that be as a witness…or somehow help…the best i can…
        …when their is no docter or ambulance around…I AM their to help to the best i can…(using my st johns level one training )…
        …if their is a fire with no firefighters around…I AM their to help.

        THAT is my Christian duty…
        ..my duty to my country…
        …and my duty to myself…it is the way i was raised

        I hold the highest respect for those whom have chosen professions that morally are meant to serve and protect
        our fellow man.

        I have also posted above that yes we all know their are bad cops in the world…but human rights…animal rights…and protection of the environment…have come through the blood, sweat, tears and commitment..of countless HEROES…

        Indeed…we would not be here today with our fragile hard won rights and freedoms were it not for those who have fought for us throughout history.

        I believe strongly that something bad will happen soon…
        ( my Bible tells me so and i try to prepare the best i can…to
        Survive…yes for i want to live…but also i want my community to survive and live…).

        So i raise my beer in a toast to you whom TRULY hold the heart of a hero and are out to TRY and make this world a better place.

        …and to those whom have chosen the darkness…
        I forgive you…and remember this…

        WE ARE MANY WHOM CARE FOR AND LOVE OUR FELLOW MAN AND THIS
        EARTH…LOVE OUR RIGHTS AND CHERISH OUR FREEDOM!

        SI VIS PACEM PARABELLUM!

  31. Ohio Surveyor says:

    I only need one reason to hate the police…..they are legally aloud to LIE to you…..That is not a profession that should have anyone’s respect or admiration.

  32. expose_the_devils says:

    The majority of people are suffering from “Stockholm Syndrome” with regards to cops. They naively believe that their oppressor is their savior, and as a result practically deify them irregardless of the overt corruption and abuse of the citizenry at large. I dont expect the majority of people to even recognize the danger they are in at the hands of these corporate folks……………..they prep for everything but forget to prep their minds for reality, and that reality is the only friend you have within the system is NONE. The people we trust to protect us are now gunning us down, beating us down and “charging” us with crimes to separate us from our money and freedom at the least perceived infraction without regard for us…….more people have been killed by cops in America since 2001 than have soldiers died in Iraq and Afghanistan combined……with friends like that who needs enemies? Again…. live upright and avoid them like you avoid a hungry ravenous beast.

    • +100. I couldnt have said it better. Im not a hater and life is to short to hold a grudge. I AM, a realist, and as such,i know that cops are not interested in your rights,safety,protection. they are interested in arrest stats, promotions based on job performance. job performance being based on revenue generation,and how many people the could escalate a traffic stop into incarceration, and the ultimate prize, pension after 20 years. Being prepared means seeing the dangers that affect your life. Cops are one of those dangers.

      • Brad in South FL says:

        bc,

        Really dude? Of the hundreds of thousands of encounters with the police every year, the tiny percentage you speak of is minute. I have never been interested in stats or revenue generation. Bad guys go to jail and I hate to tell you that good people who make a mistake often get a break. i can tell you this for a fact. Stop judging the whole on the actions of a few. Kinda like blaming all gun owners for the actions of a few!

        • “Stop judging the whole on the actions of a few.”

          When the many start living up to their responsibility and arrest their fellow cops for criminal acts, and their superiors and comrades back up the good cop instead of the criminal in a uniform, I’ll stop judging the whole as one big criminal conspiracy.

          When an assistant chief tells me that he wouldn’t judge another cop’s actions, he is telling that criminal acts are just fine with him so long as the criminal wears a badge.

          When the rest of us are going to be judged after the fact, but the criminal in blue won’t be, the police departments are criminals themselves.

          • i think “police union” is the most bizzarre combination of words in the english language. the thought of a policeman needing a union to represent him and buy his way out of trouble,not to mention making it very diffacult to get fired, is a travesty of everything you expect a police department to be.

        • Hunker-Down says:

          I don’t care how many old ladies you help cross the street, your “code of silence” incriminates you. Protecting law breakers will put me in jail, but not you.

  33. Wow, sucks that it seems to be a lot of people with these type of negative experiences. Here is SD, there are many places where you better pull over immediately after the lights go on. That means in the left lane of a 6 lane divided road, in the middle of a city street or in an unsafe area for the officer. I have repeatedly spoke to the stupidity of this, as did my husband. When he waited to pull over until a field access the officer told him he was lucky she didn’t do a PIT on him for failure to stop. I have repeatedly seen this and cannot understand the thought process.
    As a first responder, I worked a motorcycle accident where all the drunk buddies thought they were also first responders. This including telling me how to handle the patient, and removing the loaded gun from his carry holster and hiding it. When I finally had enough and yelled at the cop to come help me, or at least with the velcro straps on the board, I was publicly admonished for asking a LEO to do “an advanced medical procedure” he was not trained for. Apparently the loaded gun concealed by a known felon drinking and riding wasn’t his job either.
    I had a former employee come into my home, garage and shop and steal from me. She was caught red handed, admitted it and when I tried to file a police report to have her charged, the cop closed up his book and told me to quit wasting his time.
    All the stop sign lines in the state have been repainted so that cars are forced to pull into the intersection, if they want to be completely legal, which no driver will do because it’s unsafe. So now they have ANOTHER reason to pull you over and see what’s going on in your vehicle.
    Police routinely can break down your door here because someone reported you were drinking and not taking care of yourself. If they find you drunk in YOUR OWN HOME they can take you to the county detox facility for 48 hours. When I worked at this facility I couldn’t believe the police could do this and after verification they can and they do.
    On the positive side, I worked a call where a drunk driver thought he could drive home and avoid the flashing lights behind him. When he pulled into the driveway, he then thought he could refuse to listen if he could get into the house. The second officer (see above) arrived and tazed the guy without warning. At least the first cop was decent to the guy as he arrested him. I also worked a couple really tough calls where state police showed up and ended up being my first responders when my ambulance crew bailed on me. They did a really decent thing in an impossible situation.
    It all depends on the person. I don’t know many cops but I believe the stories here. I worked on the inside and I heard them joking about this all the time. The more miles you spend on the road the crazier it gets. Police profile constantly and if you fit the bill, watch out.
    And you want to bug OUT? I’d take my chances with the douchebags I know than the ones I don’t and bug in.

  34. I’m 66 years old and in all my years I have seen every type of cop from the streets of LA. To living in Utah and I have yet to have a police help me,or yet have I seen one do something anyone else wouldn’t do.I have never been arrested nor jailed or have never got a ticket.but if you ask a cop for anything he will run a check on you.I think judges are crooked and most cops are out for themselves They are training for something big, Look at the police when Katrina inIn NEW ORLINES ,LA The cop took people’s guns and shot some people fleeing. MAYOR RAY NAGAN is a classic example of what to exspect from what’s going on in our GREAT COUNTRY THAT I LOVE. Best you all get ready for TROUBLE. TED

  35. GoneWithTheWind says:

    I grew up in a suburb of Boston in the 50′s. All the cops were Irish (well, 90% of them). Does it matter? No they could have all been Italian but the fact that they were all one “tribe” made all the difference in the world. They were dishonest and covered up for each others crimes and I doubt they would have been so easily lead astray if they hadn’t all been “brothers” linked by similar backgrounds and beliefs. Coincidently a close family friend was in the Mafia and he owned a store where he ran his bookie business. Cops were always coming in and glad handing the Mafia guy. Well the Mafia guy liked me and as a favor to my family he always had work for me that was legal so I saw a lot of corrupt cops. They would even run deliveries of money between bookies and the bosses and if someone needed to be taught a lesson they specialized in this. Eventually I got in trouble at 17 but was facing a adult court. But the Mafia guy didn’t just own the cops he owned the judges too. So I got off scott free and I guess lerned my lesson because I stayed away from legal problems since. But I took a beating in a jail cell (before the cop knew that a Mafia guy was buddies with my family) and inbetween rounds the cop told me he could do whatever he wanted to me and get away with it. He was right. I do remember the family friend Mafia guy did ask my mother if she wanted the cops ribs and nose broken. But my mother knew her little shit son had done the crime and didn’t want to make it all worse so the cop had lucked out. Do I like and respect cops? Yes, mostly, but I also know that some of them (back then most) are crooks themselves and many are almost as bad. A lot of cops are nothing more then ex-jocks who couldn’t do any better and liked the idea of a gun and a badge. But as an honest citizen who keeps his nose clean it is rare to have real problems with the police (in most places). There are more then enough dishonest citizens and really bad guys to keep them busy and happy. But you have to keep your wits about you when you deal with the police. Things can go bad quickly and if they think for a second you are one of the bad guys you are in a world of shit.

  36. Suburban Housewife says:

    BC – I too was raised in the era of “the police are your friends – to protect and serve – they are the good guys. At that time it may have been true. Not any more. Years ago I went to church with a couple of young, new MI state troopers. Nice friendly family men. Over a few short years I watched them both become big arrogant bullies. Sad really. Over the years I found that the “innocent until proven guilty” concept is completely foreign to cops. My experience – which is very limited – is that they assume you are guilty of something and therefore treat you as a criminal. Now I don’t like them – don’t trust them – but would still prefer them over the local MS13′s ;-)

  37. Abuse and corruption by members of law enforcement certainly isn’t a new phenomena – reading histories of New York, Chicago, LA, New Orleans, etc. – watching newsreel films of the anti-war and anti-segregation protests – will easily show the abuses of power. Today’s spread of news coverage simply highlights the abuse in a way that never before was possible – and that is a very good thing.

    Just as the abuses of Police Chief Compass in the aftermath of Katrina led to the passage of the Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006, the more abuse is brought into the light and condemned by the public the sooner it may be brought under control.

    Personally, I’ve had both good and bad experiences. Back when I moved from TN to CA in the early ’70′s driving a converted school bus and pulling a trailer, I got stopped a lot profiled as one of them there hippies. Today, if I drive the Unimog in some parts of the country, I’ll spend a good bit of time along the side of the road explaining that I’m not actually on my way to a secret militia meeting. Profiling again.

    But here where I live, local law enforcement is for the most part friendly, courteous and helpful. I was speaking with a new Highway Patrol Officer recently stationed on the coast, and he said one thing he had to get used to here was people waving hello to him. He came from southern CA and had never experienced people actually going out of their way to be friendly to law enforcement. I’m sure that alone will affect how he interacts with civilians here.

    • Chuck Findlay says:

      Unimog’s are cool, wish I had the extra money to buy one.

      Don’t need one, but it would be a neat toy.

    • JeffintheWest says:

      That’s a good point — down in Texas, when I lived in San Angelo, everyone waved to EVERYONE on the road — friendliest place I ever was. And if you were pulled off on the side of the road, practically every person would pull over behind you to see if you needed any help. And the cops were generally willing to believe the best of you until you proved them wrong (they were cautious, of course, because they would have been stupid not to have been), but they started out assuming that things were probably okay and you were probably not a criminal type. Pretty much everywhere else I’ve lived since then, most of them seem to see civilians as either the enemy, or as impediment in their lives. But that may have to do with the fact that civilians in those other places just weren’t that friendly either. Which came first; the chicken, or the egg?

    • k. fields,
      Although jealousy becomes no one, a Unimog has always been on the top of my list. I settled for a Land Cruiser, but I still long for a Unimog. Very cool.

  38. JeffintheWest says:

    I had a positive encounter with a police officer in Austin Texas, of all places, when I got back from the First Gulf War. My licence plate had expired (my ex apparently didn’t think she could renew it or something), so I was pulled over and the officer asked me to step back and take a look at my plate. I told him; “Yep, that’s expired all right!” As he started to write the ticket, he casually asked if there was any reason why I hadn’t taken care of it when it was due back in January. I told him I’d just gotten back from Saudi Arabia, and he immediately tore the ticket out of his book, told me I was being given a warning, and had ten days to get it fixed. I thought that was pretty nice of him considering it was probably a $250 fine even back in 1991.

    My most recent encounter, however, was less pleasant. I was pulled over in Oregon, again for an expired licence plate — in this case one from NM. I had the proper paperwork with me from NM telling any and all law enforcement agencies that I HAD renewed, but just hadn’t gotten the new stickers in the mail yet. Despite that, the cop threatened me with impounding the vehicle (a very nice conversion van) and charging me with theft. I managed to defuse it and again get away with a “warning” (though in this case it was completely unwarranted), but it was most unpleasant and taught me that cops were starting to get more and more adversarial with plain old civilians.

  39. In 35 years I’ve had 2 warnings from cops instead of tickets, only 4 tickets I had to pay and 1 I didn’t. The warnings came from county cops in different areas. 3 of the tickets I had to pay were from cops from the small town I lived & worked in. They were horrible, still are, about getting their quotas that everyone says cops don’t have…yeah right.

    What annoys me about cops is how they are allowed to break the laws that everyone else has to follow. I see this mostly on the streets and in traffic. I understand about using lights & sirens when there is an emergency, but if they just don’t feel like waiting for the light then that’s wrong. There are speed traps for everyone else but they can speed all they want, after all, who is going to pull them over?

    I was with my godmother once on the way to church and we were running late. She was driving and was going a little too fast in a residential area and got pulled over. She knew she deserved a ticket. Know why she didn’t get one? The cop noticed there was a sheriff dept sticker on the window because her husband volunteers. They help their own.

    Do I trust cops? Not on your life, especially after all the news reports lately of them shooting innocent folks.

    • Oh and when my next door neighbor called the cops because she didn’t like something my roommate was doing in OUR yard, and they couldn’t find anything to fine him for, they decided to give him a ticket for not having the correct address on his license, even though he was not driving, he was at home doing yard work. And we were both told not to go on ‘that’ side of the yard so as not to annoy the neighbor.

      • yep, ive had that ticket. got a speeding ticket. (beat it in court) and got a ticket for not having my new address on my liscense. the thing was, i had two homes and i was in the proicess of moving out of one and into another. he asked me if the address on my liscense was correct and i daid,if your going to mail me something,i would rather it go to my new address. he asked me how long i had the home i was moving into, i said many years. i had been renting it out and now i was moving into it as i had time. I was still living at the adress on my liscense butwanted any mail to go to my new address so i would have to go to the houise i was moving out of andf check for mail. he gave me a ticket for not having that address on my liscense,even though i was still living at the address on the liscense. (beat that in court too) The guy was such an asshole that to this day i remember his name. he is chuck spraggins of bossier city and he is now a detective.

    • JeffintheWest says:

      Best joke I ever heard from a comedian was about cops trying to stop speeders by giving chase. “Doesn’t that automatically double the number of speeders on the road?”

      In my experience, common sense isn’t.

  40. GrandsonofKong says:

    I’ve had minimal police interactions. I can’t even remember the last ticket I got, I think it was a “fix-it” for a headlight being out in the late 1970′s. Last time I was pulled over was a cop who “thought” I was speeding. Now the car I drove at the time looked like it was going fast even when parked but I wasn’t speeding and there was too much traffic around that he couldn’t clock me either. Pulled me over anyway to say he thought I was speeding and I said “no sir I wasn’t” and he was hoping I wasn’t wearing my seat belt, didn’t have proof of insurance, registration or something. He drew a blank on those but kept me waiting for 15 minutes while he checked me out. Only difference is he got paid for that and I was late for work.
    My overall feeling is cops today have an order of loyalty/protection/obedience:
    1) Them self
    2) Fellow Officers
    3) Their City, County or State or Federal Employer
    4) Everyone else and the Law

  41. Soggy Prepper says:

    Our sheriff is an elder at our church. He’s a pretty good guy. Even sent a letter to our newspaper saying if gun confiscation was mandated he wouldn’t comply because he doesn’t want his men or anyone else shot and we have a Second Amendment that won’t be over ruled.
    My daughter and her husband got pulled over outside of Dallas last week for speeding (they said cruise control messed up because they were going downhill Very late at night. The cop came up to the window with his hand on his weapon. Her DH declared a weapon, cop requested proof of insurance, daughter declared it was in the cubbyhole…with the weapon. She asked if he wanted to get it. He said no (kinda dumb). She got it out, which was in a case and set it on her lap while she retrieved the poi. Had the DH come back to his car to sign a warning (never got ticketed) while my daughter sat in the car with the gun on her lap. ya.
    She said her DH got back in the car, looked at her and said, he did that all wrong and could have gotten shot.
    Those are positive stories.
    Watch CT. Watch it closely with the gun confiscation and illegal law to snatch “assault weapons” and high capacity magazines. We shall know if cops tend to bow to their government handlers in a case that clearly is a step Nazi Germany took or if officers will do the right thing and say HELL NO I’m not going to steal American Patriots weapons.
    III%

    • k. fields says:

      The CT regulations and registration requirements are nothing new. CA has had 2 different registration deadlines for various “assault” weapons – one in 1991 for named weapons and another in 2001 when the regulations were further tightened by feature. It’s estimated that there was about 10% compliance with the registration requirements.
      No one here has been acting like storm troopers to arrest all those out of compliance – I imagine CT will be the same.

  42. With all this talk of CT and such, I may have to take up boat fishing. Anyone recommend a good deep lake?

    • Tactical G-Ma says:

      JP in MT,
      Mariana trench? Lake Tahoe is a little over 1500 ft.

      • I was really looking for something a little closer. What’s that deep lake in northern Idaho? I think I know somebody who lives up there.

  43. Chuck Findlay says:

    Lake Superior, deep and cold. The perfect place for one of those pesky boating accidents.

  44. Would have to agree with you for the most part. 70 percent of encounters with police for me have been bad, while 30 have been alright. I had my first encounter with the police as well at 17. I was drawing a picture of building and was packing up to leave as a cop car pulled up. Two cops order me out of the car with guns drawn. They had me walk behind me car shouting demands, had me get on my knees, one pointed a gun to the back of my head while the other searched my car. The cop with a gun to my head asked me if I was afraid and that I could die today depending on what I do. The cop searching my car couldn’t find anything and insisted that I had stolen my own car when he had my registration he took from the glove box. When I kept disagreeing that the car wasn’t stolen they told me to get my shit and get out of there. Never reported this incident because believe it or not I had more issues to deal with than this working full time, being homeless, and finishing high school.

    Now at 40 I try to just treat people how they treat me including cops. It’s not any easy job, its really true because most of them don’t have the confidence, balls, willpower, fortitude to do their job correctly. But for the handful of good cops that I’ve encountered that do, do a good job much respect to you.

  45. George Myers says:

    Love you long time!
    I read that and had to laugh, last time I heard that phrase I was in Viet Nam 1970. We’ll leave it at that.

    LOL still laughing, brought back some good and not so good memories.

    • Tactical G-Ma says:

      George,
      I was support in theater ’72-’75. I thought I was probably the only one who reacted to that comment that way, G.I.! Lol.

  46. I’m so sorry, but I have to disagree here.

    I have worked in several places as a security guard/bar bouncer, even as a store clerk. In all my life, the only time I ever had a “bad” encounter with a cop is when they arrested me, read me my rights, set me gently in the back of the car and immediately uncuffed me because they knew I couldn’t be dangerous (how wrong was that, I can’t even explain, but I learned later that one of them was a black-belt-something in Tae-Kwon-Do and Judo…)

    The rest of the time, police officers were very nice to me. I even recall a few times where I was talking to them on the behalf of drunk, noisy friends, and they even greeted me with a smile when I opened the door.

    Then there was this time when I was attacked when I was 17 years-old, working as security in a park at night. A guy thought it would be nice to beat the kid I was with a beer bottle. Turned out I wasn’t easy to beat, but I wasn’t as aggressive as I am today, back then, so I let him run. Cops got him a couple minutes later, and the lieutenant himself came to me, gave me his card and said “Don’t call 9-1-1, call me, it’s quicker. We like you at the station.”

    And oh how many times did I expell customers from the bar, how many hundreds time did I hear drunken, ego-wounded baby-boomers saying “I’m gonna sue your sorry a**”… Cops didn’t even listen to them, they knew I did my job.

    And this time one of my best friends was brutally attacked in the street in front of my bar when I was bartending. After I chased the guy away (he chickened out when he saw my 6’4, 350lbs running towards him…) the lady-cop spent over an hour with us, gently chatting with me while we were all filing reports.

    Same bar, same season, different cop. Noticed two guys breaking in a corner store to steal lottery tickets and cigarettes. Followed them while on the phone with 9-1-1, told the cops exactly when to stop their car. They arrested the guys and even went backwards in this one-way street to thank me and shake my hand.

    Oh and this crazy time when I was working at the federal port. Cops from the SQ, protocol service, came and asked me politely to help them find a good spot for a french dignitary who was visiting the city.

    Oh and this other time when the CSIS (canadian equivalent of the CIA) called me (how they got my number, I dunno!) and asked me for a meeting about the Breivik news in Norway. Paid the lunch and were very nice folks.

    Oh and this time when I was a store clerk. Chased a girl who stole a 12-pack, but the guy watching my store just fumbled and let another guy steal some beer. The cops stayed for about half an hour waiting for me to figure out the darn chinese-written computer program of the security cameras, not even bothered by the time wasted, and how it only took them 15 minutes to find the guy (and the girl!) after all that.

    Oh and that time when I was at a party at one of my friends’house, and everyone was drunk but me and the cops knocked at the door, and when I opened, it turned out to be a buddy from highschool who just said “Hey, hello Seamus” (NOT my real name btw!) and told me he’d be back after I calmed things down (so not to have to write a ticket).

    And another time when I “forgot” to shave for a couple months and I was wearing that pleaded coat I love so much I keep wearing it even if I should put it to garbage. I was walking in the “red-light” street of the city. Cops stopped, though I was a lowlife from around the area. When they noticed how polite (and NOT drunk) I was, they said “Oh, sorry for being rude sir”

    Might be that canadians cops are better. Didn’t read the commets yet. But I only have a good experience around’em. Not counting on them to save my life (managed to do it myself up to now…) but they were nice fellas!

    • It sems 2/3rds of your problems have revolved around alcahol or bars. Could youimagine how much more peaceful you life would be if you had nothing more to do with either? I dont drink,and i dont hang out with folks that do,because i hate trouble and alcahol nearly always brings it in some form or fashion. Ill be going to prepperstock where there will be drinking. If its a problem.ill leave early and ill never attend another.

      • You seem to have completely misunderstood my comment :

        I NEVER EVER had problems with the cops. Even when I used to hang around drinking people.

        Oh and by the way. I don’t even drink a can of beer a month. I don’t like alcool anymore : I don’t feel the need to drink some. Wife has her can everynight after work, offers to buy me one… never managed to drink it all. So now I just say no, it’s a waste of money I don’t even enjoy anymore.

    • Donna in MN says:

      OH how I loved those Canadian Mounties. I kept singing “When I’m calling youuuuuuuooooooooooo” for 20 years but I must be too far from the border for them to hear.

  47. Benjammin says:

    A long time ago, I got an undeserved speeding ticket from a deputy sheriff. I contested it, and the judge said even though I was probably right, he was going to find me guilty anyways. About a month or so later, one of the deputies brought in a couple radios that needed looked at. Well, turns out they both had suffered some sort of catastrophic failure, and each one needed at least $500 worth of work. A short time after that the sheriff’s repeater system crashed, and I got called out on an emergency repair that took most of a slow weekend. That was about $2,500 bill. The way I see it, one deputy’s mistake cost me about $55, and the county about $3,500.

    I never much figured it was the fault of the person, good or bad, in a position like that. It was the system that failed every time. Blaming people is too shortsighted. It is our culture and our community that fail. People get what they ask for, or deserve. Some will get screwed, others never see it. But it is the system that is flawed. Otherwise, there would be no such thing as a bad cop.

    It’s no different dealing with any position of power. Look at Obama. Is he really the problem, or is it the people that put him in the white house that are the real problem?

    A hundred years ago, communities hired constables that had a vested interest in the community. That don’t happen no more.

  48. In the military (Army), we had nothing to do with military police, specifically because they are not grown men; they are perpetual boys who do not yet exist as individuals but only as members of a “collective person”; and, they will kill their own kind just as easily as anyone else who challenges that collective person in any way. When I returned from Vietnam, I completed my thesis at Brandeis University, titled “The Psychology of Policemen as an Occupational Group”, one of the earliest original research theses in that field. To the very few good cops who still exist, get out of that uniform and away from those others as fast as you can when the shooting starts because “killer gangs of perpetual 14-year-olds” must be the first to be eliminated.

  49. kellieccc says:

    BC you are RIGHT on the money. I hesitated to comment but totally agree. You did however forget to include federal law enforcement corruption. For any and all that live with blinders, I pray you never have to experience it. I used to think law enforcement as a collective whole were helpful and “good”….I have come to realize how totally wrong I was.

  50. Curtiss says:

    I have had two encounters with cops, first I knew I needed to turn left but was not sure where exactly. I was in a dodge sprinter with a raised roof, bumper to bumper rush hour traffic, in the left lane. The cop pulled me over into a parking lot on the right side of the road to write me a warning for being in the left lane and obstructing traffic.

    The second I was on my way through a small Florida town and was pulled over. They had covered a 45 mph sign with a 40 mph sicn, using c-clamps, the cop wrote me a ticket for failure to obey a speed control device. $185.00.

  51. Curtiss says:

    I have had two encounters with cops, first I knew I needed to turn left but was not sure where exactly. I was in a dodge sprinter with a raised roof, bumper to bumper rush hour traffic, in the left lane. The cop pulled me over into a parking lot on the right side of the road to write me a warning for being in the left lane and obstructing traffic.

    The second I was on my way through a small Florida town and was pulled over. They had covered a 45 mph sign with a 40 mph sicn, using c-clamps, the cop wrote me a ticket for failure to obey a speed control device. $185.00. Be afraid, very afraid!!

  52. hmmmm, angie & craig have lists, should there not also be the same 4 officer not so friendly’s? jus sayin…..

  53. 46 years ago, on my 16th birthday, I was out driving by myself for the first time ever. It was April, I was on a (then) major two-lane state road. There was nobody behind me so I slowed from 55 to 20 mph to look at a restaurant on the side of the road, that a tractor-trailer truck had accidentally driven THROUGH at speed a few days before. Coming the other way was a State Policeman. He turned around, chased me down, pulled me over and gave me my first ticket ever, for “stopping on the highway”, even though I assured him I had only safely slowed and never stopped. When I got home, I told my father about it. Turned out he knew the cop, telephoned him,. and read him the riot act for ticketing me. I never knew what the outcome of that ticket was – although I suppose my father paid it for me.

  54. Bctruck says:

    I completely got your point. You’ve had great encounters with cops. My observation was that a lot of your contact with them was somehow related to alcohol my personal belief is that with alcohol,comes trouble. Even if you don’t drink,being among those that do can draw you into the web of trouble that alcohol instigates. That was all. Just an observation I made.

  55. provingpossible says:

    I wonder if this is just US cops? Don’t get me wrong, in Canada we do have some real “special” cops – they exist and, as one woman in law enforcement stated, the good ol’ boys network is as strong now as it ever was. That being said, we’ve (my mother and I) had several run ins with the local cops (city only in our cases) – everything from speed traps (one where my mother got caught twice in the same trap and mouthed some nasty words when she realized she’d been caught, the cop burst out laughing and lowered her ticket, it was her third though and required some major fines), to being where I wasn’t supposed to be (took the car to the car wash – went in, had a fiasco when I left the car in gear first, then tried to drive forward to “catch” the stupid guides – when I finally got through there was a cop waiting on the other side because 1. the wash was closed > no signs and the wash went through no problem and 2. I was in there so long they thought I might be hiding *rollz eyes* I kinda don’t blame ‘em… they laughed and let me go and told the gas station owner to put up “closed” signs at night – it was 11:30pm), to having an ex call in because we were going to dump his furniture on the lawn (they waited a full 6+ hours before bothering to come out, suggested counter-complaining, left the visit off the record and told us to dump the ex-hubby because his own file was so large – we managed it eventually), to just recently having our license plate called in for “suspiciously loitering” in the parkade where we’ve worked for more than 3 years – can you say harassment? (They left in 2 mins flat, laughing about the stupidity of humanity, and didn’t bother to make a record of pulling us over). All in all, we’ve always had good encounters – even when I forgot my N sign (graduated licensing for new drivers) when I switched cars they gave me the ticket but also went looking for an N sign for me so that I could keep driving when no one was able to come and pick me up or bring me my blinkin’ decal.
    That level of corruption is both heart-breaking and sickening, I’m sorry you had to deal with it. Cops are egotists, but then so are doctors (remember that ex-hubby – who won everything in the divorce proceedings despite being married to my mother for more than 18 years… good ol’ boys again!).
    God Bless!

    • Thats just it , its the Homo’s club when you try to complain , thats why its better to have civilian review boards , but most of the time anything gets swept under the rug …..the homo club again .

  56. When I was 16, back in the 70s, I took a friend to a baseball game, & on the way home, the radiator sprung a small leak. The cop who stopped next to us on the interstate off ramp, offered to call someone for us, or if he could help us in any way – He was obviously there to serve & protect the public.

    In ’06, I was involved in an accident on a 2 lane hiway that I caused. The cop spoke to the other driver & then to me. I admitted that it was my fault & he wrote me out a ticket. Did not try to extort any money from me. Was completely fair.

    About 3 yrs ago, our daughter was on her way driving to the high school she attended. A lady drove thru a stop sign & hit her driver’s side, totalling the car. Our daughter was very shook up & scared, & the female cop talked to her in a calm way, to calm her down. Then they called the tow trucks. IMO, they could not have handled the situation any better.

    I have no law enforcement officers in my family. My wife’s bro is a sheriff’s deputy. one time, he told us of a guy that he pulled over, who was speeding. He was intending to give the guy just a warning ticket. But when he went the guy’s door, the immediately started complaining about how he didn’t deserve a ticket, yada, yada, yada… He said: Sir, when I pulled u over, I was just going to give u a warning ticket, but from what u said, I can see that u haven’t learned anything from this. So I’m going to have to give u a ticket. He told us the guy’s attitude was the decisive factor.

    I could on & give u another 6 ex’s of personal encounters w/ law enforcement that have been fair &/or showed that they truly serve & protect the public. Are there bad cops? Sure, but I wish that this article & prepper sites in general were fair & reasonable in their reports about cops. Instead, we seem to get a steady stream of bad cop stories which makes one wonder what the agenda is.

    • JP in MT says:

      I have a friend who was with the State Police in NY. He used to get yelled at about not writing enough tickets. He was old school and didn’t if he didn’t feel it was necessary. One day he pulled over a car from Ohio who was speeding to the point it was getting dangerous. As he walks up to the car, the guy flips his cigarette butt at him and says “Haven’t you got anything else better to do than give me a ticket?” My friend said “Nope, not now.” flipped open the ticket book and started to work.

      Attitude, I’ve seen it cause more problem no matter where I was. Civilian, LEO, military, whatever. You walk around with a chip on your shoulder, think you deserve special treatment, and you generally will run into someone who will see thing differently. Your idea of special and theirs may be totally different.

      • If someone is a cop in a community where they see thousands of drivers everyday, & don’t write at least some tickets, I doubt that cop is doing his/her job. I know I wouldn’t keep my job for long, if I didn’t show my employer some evidence of being productive. Yet, whenever talk of police tickets come up, why is that some people consistently promote their innocence & can never admit breaking a law while driving? That’s what strikes me about certain posters here, & the Bible doesn’t have good things to say about those who refuse to admit their guilt.

    • Tactical G-Ma says:

      RedC,
      I don’t doubt that what you are saying is true. There are fine people in law enforcement, medicine, the clergy, law, teachers, etc. And there are professionals who think ethics is for suckers and then there are some who are down right evil.
      These professionals we trust with ours and our loved ones’ safety and wellbeing, must be held to a higher standard. One bad apple is one too many.

      • tactical G-ma – ah, so true, which was part of my pt in the last paragraph. There are bad & good cops. & our limited experiences w/ some, do not prove that all are good or bad. If only some here had the humility to acknowledge this, rather than promoting their own agenda.

        • Bctruck says:

          By “some” I’m assuming you mean me. Your funny.

        • Tactical G-Ma says:

          RedC,
          I’ve had mixed bag of experiences but I don’t drive OTR. The more opportunity to be exposed to LE, the better your chance of meeting the bad ones.
          I also hate driving in GA. If you think the staties are bad, try driving thru small towns. Yikes!
          I like being diplomatic but like BC, I hate police and assume any that approach me are going to be bad. To do otherwise could be detrimental to my health and safety.
          And police are not to prevent crime. Rather their duties are traffic control and investigating and documenting crimes and complaints.

        • JeffintheWest says:

          “Their own agenda?” I can see by that statement you’ve made up your mind on the issue too, in which case accusing others of rushing to judgement seems to be a bit ironic at the very least. As I recall, being judgmental came in for a bit of criticism in the Bible too….

  57. BC
    I don’t doubt anything you say. I know there are good cops out there although I’m sure most of them get jaded working with the public everyday. At one time I installed 911 systems for a living all over the US and met a lot of them. Most seemed to be good people doing their job but there were some egotistical jerks that were so full of themselves it was hard to imagine them having friends or anybody who liked them. (Cops tend to have a higher rate of divorce than the general population but that is another subject.) While working at a site in Alabama I met a cop who transferred from the road to a desk job in administration. We hit it off and after a week I felt confident enough to ask him a pointed question. “Why does it seem like most cops I encounter are arrogant bullies? Don’t they have to pass a psychological profile before they give them a gun and a badge and turn them loose on the public?” This is what he told me. “They do have to pass psychological tests and are evaluated, but to do the job well they need to be aggressive, confident and have a take charge attitude”. “There is a fine line between a good cop and a psycho.” “Unfortunately, some of them are clever as well and slip through the screening process.” This would explain the power mad bullies that are out there but in no way makes up for the dishonest cops that wear a badge and gun. I understand where you are coming from.

  58. Janet D. says:

    My son who is 23 years old and drives a beat up, super souped up, classic Camaro is always getting pulled over. The other day he got pulled over for a cracked windshield that wasn’t. A few days later he was pulled over because he had a different states license plate on the front of his car, our state doesn’t use front license plates. He has been pulled over 4 or 5 times and nothing was ever said. He was then asked if they could search his car, he said no. So they said the passenger in the car was acting funny and called the K9 unit. After the dog went around the car once, the cop said something to the dog, who promptly sat down. The cop said he now had a reason to search his car. They searched my sons friend, two more different cops, and after the first one said he searched my sons friend, but not my son. After they searched the inside, one of the cops, there where now 4, reached into my sons car, removed his keys from the ignition and opened the trunk, they found NOTHING! If anyone nows how we should handle this I would love to know. So I would have to agree with Brad that there seems to be more on the wrong side of the law. God Bless You and Yours

  59. MD, this thread is an ex of why I prefer prepper sites that focus on practical skills, rather than promoting political views, fear, or certain attitudes toward other groups in our society. If I continue to see these qualities on your site here, perhaps I’ll have to seek to learn from other quality survivalist sites. Thanks & hope u’re having a good weekend.

    • RedC,

      That’s your decision – you need to go to where you feel is the best for you…

    • RedC,
      It’s easy enough to read the title and determine if it may be political or prepper. This one, “Is the Police Officer Your Friend?” probably falls into the former, so you can just skip it. Some of us like the interaction.

    • People telling their personal stories of why you can’t trust the authorities to respect your rights and obey the laws that we are all held to, but they often aren’t isn’t political. I personally didn’t start out with a bad attitude toward any particular group, but as I have gone through life and learned more and been faced with a preponderance of evidence I have developed certain biases against certain cultural groups. For those who have been drinking the PC cool aide, prejudice is when you have a judgement with no reason or facts, but a bias often comes from legitimate intelligent judgement based on evidence and experience. By the way Politicians fall into the same corrupt culture as the Police with honesty and fair conduct being the exception and corruption simply a matter of degree. Bottom line is get over yourself this isn’t a political thread it is an experiential thread and a be aware, be cautious thread.

  60. Bctruck says:

    M.D. It seems there are two distinctly opposing thoughts on the subject of “are the police your friends” My sole intention was from a prepper standpoint,to get those that blindly believed that the police could be counted on to be fair.honorable and trustworthy,to give that some thought. It’s seems that some people are not only content to live with their head in the sand,but become enraged and adamantly opposed to considering an alternative point of view. It’s been extremely interesting to read the comments and it gives real insight into people mind sets the we must coexist with. Thanks for having the “boys” to allow controversial and polarizing subjects to be discussed here.

    • Brearbear says:

      Agree this is and has been interesting…
      …i really appreciate M.D. for allowing this article and for B.C.Truck for writing it.
      …i still think careers chosen by those who wish to hhelp serve and protect others are not just admirable, but necessary.
      I do not take this with my head in the sand but hope and trust within reason that an officer has good within him/her but fully knowing
      that i could also have a bad situationexperience.
      This goes for and with everyone you meet…always be on guard.
      When around strangers keep your guard up…and for me i have a line in the sand where even life long friends have only so many chances.

      I yet again have food for thought…and will be way more careful
      From now on wwith authorities…

      Rreading others experiences is so important and as usual this blog is a teacher.

      As for articles about damn well any thing M.D. has written…
      It is HIS blooming site and can print whatever he wants!
      It is always interesting and thhere is much to learn.
      The community learns from each other…teaches each other and hipefully we all get stronger and better able to deal with
      Life now and …

  61. Wow, this one brought out a lot of comments. I can only add this_ I have spent over 15 years of my life As a LEO (Local Police). I have watched the change in mentality of recruits coming out of our local academy and the attitude of younger officers and those they are now training- And it IS NOT good! They are trained to have the “us vs them” attitude, told that “you can trust no one but other officers” and instructed on how to violate civil rights without incurring consequence. The entire attitude was changed during my tenure and that is a major reason I changed careers. Today’s police ARE NOT your friend, are NOT there to help you. I’m sorry to offend anyone but IT IS true! I’ve seen it and I’ve lived it.
    There may be a few small towns with older officers as Chiefs who are still holding off these ideas, but they can’t and won’t last forever. Amerika has become a police state and you (And even me as a former LEO) are the enemy. Truth is a painful thing!

  62. I have had mixed luck with cops. I really try not to look like a “profile” they might notice or want to hassle when I travel. I’ve done away with bumper stickers, for example, and I dress like a dowdy office lady or generically preppy/schleppy.

    I have only gotten pulled over while: speeding a lot, going a little too slow, driving in the wee hours, forgetting to put my headlights on, and one time I ran a red light in front of a cop (oops). The most that happened out of these was I got a ticket. Note: If someone slows down in front of you for no reason you can tell, it’s usually because they have radar so don’t pass them right away. Also go the going rate of traffic, you’ll stick out less.

    One of the things I think is important is not to look nervous in the least if pulled over. Be polite, too. Don’t tell them anything of substance. Play a little dumb. Keep your temper. I like the idea of a dash cam, apparently they are everywhere in Russia because the cops there are largely corrupt and the dash cam keeps them somewhat honest.

    I agree that if you call the cops on someone you’re going to make an enemy of them and maybe the cops too. Best to try and work that stuff out yourself, and avoid dramatic people, although that’s not always possible.

    I have a couple cop friends, one local and one fed… they seem like “good cops”. I’m what you might call a bit self censoring around them, but not to the point of paranoia, for example they know I’m in Appleseed. I’m not sure if knowing these guys would be any kind of insurance against harassment by other LE who get uppity. They might be a good early warning system for weirdness.

    I do not understand the glut we seem to be having of cops lynching people. Was it always this bad but the reporting of it is getting better; or is it really getting worse statistically? If it is indeed worse then why? Is it budgets, fewer job candidates, poor training, psychopaths not getting weeded out, or what?

    There also need to be better ways to deal with people who have PTSD. The other month a local veteran recently returned from the sandbox had a stand-off with cops who were called to SWAT him for basically no other reason but some high school frenemy of his calling the cops and claiming he was acting up. He was sitting at home watching TV by himself with his kids upstairs sleeping when the SWAT team showed up, and he went into siege mode. They made it even worse when they put a flashbang through his door. Nobody died but there were shots fired, mostly at street lamps. There was a long standoff. They claimed afterwards that he had kidnapped his kids, but they were at home asleep in their beds, and he lived there too. It’s just the cops trying to cover their butts. I don’t understand how someone can kidnap his own kids at home while they’re asleep in their beds.

    Maybe the cops could have a negotiator for the occasional PTSD situations instead of escalating violence. Even a polite “wellness check” would have sufficed in this case – sending SWAT was really overkill and sort of a self fulfilling prophecy in terms of triggering his PTSD.

    Some countries like Greece are using paid foreign security contractors to replace cops who were joining xenophobic political opposition groups. (in other words to avoid having gangs of racist cops). Whatever your feeling about mercenaries, perhaps the alternative was worse in that case.

    If the US goes all unrestive with maybe a split in the LE in some areas will we see mercenaries used to keep order?

    • ou know,im convinced the quality of people in general is declining. Its not just cops,though they are the only ones that can kill ypou and get away with it,its truckers, clerks, nurses and dostors. A couple years ago, i called my mortgae company to see how much i owed. I sort of lost track because my payments were always more than the monthly amount,and sometimes a lot more. So i knew i had shaved some years off my mortgae. Would you believ e they wouldnt tell me how much i owed them? NOT EVEN A BALL PARK FIGURE!!!! I got so entaged at the fact that the people i owed monet to,wouldnt tell me how much oi owed them, that I sold a stock that i had been holding for 20 yeqars, and payed my house off. turns out i owed the $54,000,they sent mem back about 3 grand. I shut my serius radio off the other day, they told me i couldnt have it shut off over the phone,i had to go online and sgut it off. I told them i didnt have to go online to turn it on, i didnt have to go online to pay them, and by God i wasnt going to go online to have it shut off. I went throughj 3 mngrs before they shut it off. Its not just cops,its everybody. A steep decline in the quality of people and a complete absense of common sense.

  63. happily I haven’t had too many experiences, but my last was poor. The officer gave me a ticket for trying to avoid an entrance ramp for a closed highway. I’ve known a few as neighbors or relatives of neighbors and found the local cops (be it city or Sheriff) to be upstanding people just trying to do their jobs. At the same time I’m sure that there are local cops who bend the rules, have become jaded working the job, have inferiority complexes that manifest themselves with superiority behavior, have bosses that performance objectives that lead to bad behavior, etc. My experiences suggest it is worse at the state level, but that experience is local. I think the problem goes back to who is attracted to becoming a cop. I think it attracts people with a law and order, black and white, conservative, follow the rules type of view of the world. I also believe it attracts a personality type that may feel average or inferior and that enjoys the power of being a law enforcement officer, that power over others. It helps them feel good about themselves. I’m sure some are just grown up bullies. They always think they are right, even if wrong, and they appear very confident of themselves. What I’ve said is really just a stereotype from my personal experiences and observations from the news and other sources. There will be exceptions and the number of those exceptions could be quite large, even beyond a majority. It’s potentially possible that a small percentage of cops actually cause most of the bad will by the public. My experiences have been bad enough that I won’t let a cop into my house unless they have a warrant or I called them asking for assistance. I’m also going to be very cautious about answering questions. Too many innocent people have been convicted of crimes.

  64. BC is 100% right on this one! If you are a prepper,and you think there might be a SHTF situation, then you shouldnt expect to deal w/ nice cops!

  65. Two weeks ago a local (southern) city police officer tried to trick me into punching my brakes as if to increminate myself right into a speeding ticket when I wa driving well within the limits. On the otherhand, my wife and I received some well needed drections very dark early one morning while lost on the South-side of Chicago by two very polite city police officers.

  66. Encourager says:

    Okay, here is a story where we were treated well by cops. We were coming home from vacation pulling our trailer. We could not find the campground where we wanted to stay. We were in New Mexico. We decided to stop and get a bite to eat at a local place. As we were eating, four cops came in to eat (one was a tribal cop). They joked with the staff and each other. After ordering, one walked up to our table and asked if the trailer was ours. He wanted to know what kind of dog we had as he had never seen one like it. We chatted for a few minutes. He was very nice.

    On the way out I stopped by their table and asked them if they knew where this campground was. Turned out the book was wrong and we had another 150 miles to go. They all recommended one nearby that was just down the road. I thanked them and then said “I realize that your jobs are sometimes hard and thankless. I just want to tell you we prayed for you tonight. We felt welcomed by you (speaking to the one that stopped at our table).” They thanked us for praying and one even said ‘Praise God!”

    When we got outside and my husband was backing up the jeep and trailer, so I could get in as we parked pretty close to a building and I noticed we had no backup lights on the trailer. Somehow the cable had gotten cut by the hitch. Just then the cops came outside. They came over and we pointed out the problem. One of them followed us to the campground just down the road and then asked us if we needed help fixing it. Dh said no, he had the tools but thanks.

    We could have gotten a hefty ticket for driving with no trailer lights. Instead, he followed us to keep anyone from running into us and offered to help. That is a good cop.

  67. One last post, we just had an entire city’s police department purged in our county by the FBI because somehow they got wind of corruption and upon investigation found it was true. The cops were illegally seizing peoples cars who they knew wouldn’t be able to pay to get them back and then selling the cars or taking them and driving them as their own. I imagine they were doing some other things too, but the crooks in that department have family connections in other local police departments and in the Sheriff’s department which makes me hope that they are checking those out too, just to be sure it was restricted to the one city.

    Of course there are plenty of instances of abuse by the FBI and the ATF and now the NSA.

  68. Here is a story that clearly shows police officers care.

    This story involves the police department in the small town of Kerrville ,Texas who reported finding a man’s body last Saturday in the early evening in the Pedernales River near the state highway-87 bridge.

    The dead man’s name would not be released until his family had been notified.
    The victim apparently drowned due to excessive beer consumption while visiting “someone” in Fredericksburg .

    He was wearing black fishnet stockings, 10 inch spiked heels, a red garter belt, a pink G-string, purple lipstick, dazzel dust on his eyelids, 2 1/2 inch false eyelashes and an Obama T-shirt.

    The police removed the Obama T-shirt to spare his family any unnecessary embarrassment.

    See, police do care.

  69. Reminds me of what the lady said on the movie Dragnet. Its about time you GD pencil dicks showed up, or something like that.