Questions and Answers With The Wolf Pack – Living in California?

 Questions and Answers With The Wolf Pack   Living in California?

Question from Cheryl J

I apologize for asking if you’ve already discussed this topic. I’m interested in hearing about the realities of living in CA, as it may be necessary for us to move back there.

My top question is: Is Fukushima radiation effectively raining down into all garden soil in CA? In other words, is all food grown in CA gardens contaminated and, after plants take it up, will it increase our risk for cancer?

How do you manage living with tighter gun control laws, etc.? Is it crazy to choose to live in CA?

Comments

  1. WYO Ryder says:

    Cheryl,

    Google ENEnews.com for info on how Fukushima is effecting the west coast & world in general.

    Wishing you the best if you have to move back to Cali.

  2. Why must you move to CA? Sick family members? Perhaps you could consider living just across the state line in another state. Would that put you close enough to family (if that is your issue)?

    I have decided that states run by democrats are so bad that I won’t even visit them. They are not getting my dollars – even for tourism. I am leaning that way for purple states too.

    • patientmomma says:

      I choose not to step foot there, even though I have a some family living in Southern California. I realize some people must go (military, corporate folks) for their livelihood and I feel sorry for them. I think the folks in the northern part of the state have more reality than the southern part. But the politicians have ruined the state and it doesn’t seem possible to fix it. Good luck!

  3. Rider of Rohan says:

    “Is it crazy to choose to live in CA”?

    Yes.

    • +1

    • 1 Man + God=A Majority says:

      Roger that!

      Every friend I know who lives in CA, from north of SF to south of San Diego, has plans to get out and get out ASAP!

      Put another way–would you voluntarily commit you and your family to live in an insane asylum run by criminal psychopaths?

    • mom of three says:

      Darn it we can only do the thumb up sign once, I would have given you 10 thumbs up.

  4. I would be more worried about the”radiation” coming out of Sacramento than Japan,The only thing to explain the loon-like behavior of life managing laws coming out of that locale, as to the radiation, who is to say it will be harmful? the amount of radiation could cause cancer, or eliminate it.No one will know for sure for at least a decade. If it is dangerous, and has traveled 6000 miles from Japan, it is not going to stop there.
    I think we have enough to worry about, we can let that one slide.

  5. axelsteve says:

    I have been living in Komradfornia for a shade over 50 years.I live in the 707 area code one county east of the coast.I am not overly worried about radaition from Japan.I figure that we gave Japan a bunch of radiation back in the 40`s and they are doing ok with it.Personally it somewhat amuses me of folks who live in tornado alley and won`t live in Komradornia cause of the earthquakes.More Komradfornians die of flash floods then die in earthquakes.

    • Rider of Rohan says:

      It’s not the earthquakes that bother me, but the crazy politicians in Sacramento. Of course, crazy politicians are everywhere, it just seems CA has more than it’s share.

    • mom of three says:

      I know where your at my step son, and his family live in that same area, very pretty area of California!

    • Black Rose says:

      Tornado alley is also getting a lot of earthquakes especially in the Oklahoma area. They are only 2 and 3s but still they have earthquakes tornadoes and snow. Nor Cal is better than so Cal

    • and more die from drive bys then earthquakes.

  6. Nancy V. says:

    I have a sister and a best friend in CA. One loves it and one tolerates it. I would not choose to live in CA because of the geologic instability, environmental and legal restrictions for homesteading. With the Fukushima fallout, it is even less attractive. But not everyone has a choice about where they live. Sometimes you have to follow the work.

    One of my best friends had to move to CA because of work. He lives in a townhouse. After several discussions about urban survival, he does the following:
    Keeps well-stocked BOBs designed for his region and environmental issues. One by the door and a 2nd in his car.
    Stores and filters 3 weeks worth of water in portable 7gal containers.
    Grows plants inside his apartment in a mini greenhouse.
    Has alternative escape routes to the mountains, and does hiking to keep his endurance up.
    To work around the gun restrictions, he took up Archery and is now a master Bowman. He has several bows, and is does his own fletching.

    If you have a choice on where you live in CA, consider northern California, inland, near the Mount Shasta region, or anywhere there are natural springs, woods and mountains.

  7. Just turning 60 on the 21st and have been in CA. my whole life, most in the Bay Area. If my wife would move, the rubber would be burning! You can’t ask for better weather, & waiting for the big earthquake. That’s the only reasons to live here. I just heard that SF & San Jose were # 1 & 2 for happiest places to work. I guess the tech sector. I definitely wouldn’t go to LA. If you can make lots of money or none in CA. works best. We inbetweeners get screwed. Stay off the peninsula & be prepared to bug out east. Have a place to go to and be ready to go FAST. Good luck. Just curious, where are you planning to move?

  8. Antizombie says:

    Shame about that state as it has sooo much to offer. Weather is outstanding and senary unbelieable. Price you pay I guess……

  9. From what I have read , there isnt much danger of radioactivity on a dangerous scale reaching here..I sign up for google alerts on this subject and as far as I can “remember” at this time is that “bluefin” tuna is about the most contaiminated fsh we consume as they are a migratory fish and they dont have enough radioactivity in them to harm anyone..course, who knows whats going on as Im convinced that the truth of the danger has yet to be told

    • Rob Crawford says:

      From what I’ve read no one — not even the first people on the scene — has died from radiation as a result of Fukushima. Long-term effects will be limited to the immediate area and those most exposed; Californians likely get more radiation from fluorescent lights and bricks than they ever will from Fukushima. The grams of radioactive material are heavier than water (they’ll sink to the ocean floor), and the Pacific Ocean contains something like 160,000,000,000,000,000,000 gallons of water to dilute them with anyway. Sorry for mixing metric and Imperial, but those are the numbers I had at hand.

      EVERYTHING concentrates in tuna — they’re top predators. The “chicken of the sea” are 5 ft long, over 100lbs in weight, and more streamlined than a torpedo. If they had bigger mouths we’d fear them more than sharks…

  10. Nebraska Woman says:

    MD, I tried to get through on your writing suggestion article but couldn’t. Nancy V’s suggestions are excellent, but as so many of us do live in the city, an article on that would be good.

  11. GoneWithTheWind says:

    The radiation is not a problem. The hype about the non-problem radiation is pretty scary though. So if you are prone to being scared easily by the nuts on the nutcase websites that print scare stories 24/7 then I suggest yu dig a hole in the middle of Kansas and stay there. Those reactors are a problem for Japan mostly because of the huge economic impact of cleaning them up. There is some nuclear contaminiation close to the reacotrs and there are possibly some long term effects to deal with.
    If I were you I would be concerned with the real problems in California: the high and ever increasing taxes, the violence, gangs and no-go areas, the reconquista that seems well underway, earthquakes, fires, mudslides/floods, crowded freeways etc.

  12. Cheryl
    At the present time we live in the land of fruits and nuts(California). That is not a reference to what is grown here, but those who voted in what is running this state.
    Only come back if it is absolutely necessary. Many are leaving for better opportunities in other states.
    We are back here due to parents who were ill, and passed on. Then the youngest sibling is here, an we stayed to be close to family. Since we can not sell and move we are doing the next best thing. We are looking at purchasing land in another state as this one becomes more toxic to cover all our bases.
    (not from the fall out caused by Japan’s nuclear plant)

  13. SoCalPrepper says:

    I’m a native Californian, and it isn’t THAT bad, and we need more reasonable people to populate the state and make a change. I live in SoCal, and have a nice garden and the ability to keep ducks, chicken, quail, 1 goat, and soon, bees on my lot. Depending on what county you are in, you can have quite the nice homestead.

    Taxes are a pain in the neck, but there are ways to minimize that impact, too. Now, we’ve got a serious fight brewing over the Second Amendment…BUT like I said, we need help! As far as earthquakes – I prefer those to hurricanes, tornadoes, or freezing winters. I can grow food year round! If your house is built well, it will withstand all but the craziest earthquake – also, some areas of CA are at a much lower risk of quakes than others. We just keep a few tents around in case we ever had serious damage that made our house uninhabitable. Tailor your preps to your location / circumstances, and you should be fine.

  14. Owl Creek Observer says:

    I was stationed in Sacramento several years ago and enjoyed being within easy driving distance of Lake Tahoe and that region but that’s about it. Sacramento is also fairly close to San Francisco but most rational people don’t go there. (sarcasm)
    These days I can’t think of a good reason to live in California, but life is all about individual preferences and choices. Best of luck.

  15. WaxedChain says:

    How’s it going Cheryl J? I’ll answer your questions the best I can.


    My top question is: Is Fukushima radiation effectively raining down into all garden soil in CA?

    I’m sure it is, it’s contaminating the entire world, though it’s not at any toxic levels, atleast hair and teeth fall out toxic levels. Just like there is a little bit of cesium from Chernobyl in all of us, by now there is a little bit of Fukushima there as well.


    In other words, is all food grown in CA gardens contaminated and, after plants take it up, will it increase our risk for cancer?

    Not all food, though if you’re planning on growing on a plot of land get the soils tested for lead in an independent lab. Many places in California had massive amounts of lead contamination in the top soil and plants will suck it up and you’ll be eating it if you eat those plants. This is not just the urban and suburban areas either. And most people don’t do this. Many counties have programs to help home and land owners perform lead abatement on their soil.
    I reccomend doing this and gardening gardening here, you can garden all year around in most of California.


    How do you manage living with tighter gun control laws, etc.?

    I’ve never known anything else, same with taxes. I’ve lived here my entire adult life.


    Is it crazy to choose to live in CA?

    You already know the answer to this. Yes it is. However, it may outweigh your alternatives and maybe you can help by voting the correct way. :)

    As a side note, stock up on water filters before you move in. A lot of them are illegal here since they have to be certified even some Berkey filters are prohibited. They’re uhh… Rostered just like Handguns here.

    Speaking of guns, if you’re bringing any in do a lot of research no need to become a felony importer of prohibited firearms. Same with magazines and over 10 rounds are illegal to import. Oh and any handguns you bring in have 60 days to register or you guessed it, you’re breaking the law. Check the following: http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Moving_to_California_with_firearms

    • Rob Crawford says:

      What’s the supposed reason behind restrictions on water filters? Pure protectionism?

      • Rob C
        The state did not get to wet it’s beek/skim money. Yes, they are for ever sticking their grubby paws into our pockets. You don’t pay us we blacklist you an your products. Nanny state!

      • WaxedChain says:

        It’s under the Health & Safety Code. Specifically Health and Safety 116875. Among other things it states that you cannot “introduce into commerce” anything ” intended to convey or dispense water for human consumption through drinking or cooking that is not lead free.” And the only way to prove that to the state is independent third party testing paid for by the manufacturer. Even filters made in state. For the large manufacturers like Brita and whatnot it’s a drop in the bucket, the smaller manufacturers don’t even bother. I guess it is protectionism for the huge manufacturers.

    • axelsteve says:

      Best thing to do when you bring guns into California is not tell anyone about them. Practice extreme opsec. Also If you bring a ar to California I would put a bullet button it so it would be legal. I would just not have them registered in California. The average cop won`t know if it is registered or not. If the gun looks legit things go easier.

  16. As a former Californian. YES it is crazy.

  17. Schatzie Ohio says:

    The husband was born in California and I lived there from 1958 until we moved in 2005. The last paragraph of GWTW’s post says it best except that he left off the illegals and the drought that has been going on for a number of years and that it is VERY expensive to live/buy a house there. WE would never go back even tho we still have some family and friends there. The only thing we miss is the natural beauty like Yosemite and of course the milder weather. I tell everyone that it is ok to visit there just not to live there.
    All I can say is good luck to you and glad it is not us.

  18. CAMntMan says:

    In reality California is two states…..Get outside of southern CA, San Francisco, and the cesspool of corruption that is Sacramento you generally have a very conservative population. In fact there is a push for the creation of a separate northern CA state. Do a search for State of Jefferson and also look at the voting of the different counties to highlight the differences. The cities control the rural areas. Regulations and taxes as pushed by those elected by the population centers will seek to destroy you anywhere in the state. The state has abundant farming and ranching in the northern areas and actually has fairly abundant water (alot of the northern CA water is sent to the desert that is southern CA). The foothills often average 45 inches of rain a year (mostly fall through spring) In speaking to the fertility of the area, the amount and variety of freshly grown produce is better than anywhere else I have been. As far as earthquakes….. unless you are in southern CA or along the coastal areas the risk is tolerable. I would be more concerned with wild fires outside of those areas. Gun issues… well it is restrictive and getting more so. But, just ask Leland Yee (D) and he will get you whatever you want (politician/indicted arms dealer) ;-). While not an ideal state it is not all terrible and there are like minded individuals around.

  19. k. fields says:

    Cheryl,
    I live in Northern CA on the coast, moved here in 1972 specifically to build a survivalist retreat.
    First to answer your questions.
    Radiation? None. Background radiation levels have not changed a bit as the result of the Fukushima accident. I’ve been checking the levels on the beach near me and others have been doing the same up and down the coast – no one has reported any increases.
    Tighter gun control laws – Yes, CA has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation but they certainly aren’t so bad that you won’t be able to defend yourself and your family. In most areas of the state (outside of San Francisco and Los Angeles), concealed weapons permits are easily obtained. In my area, I’ve never seen a sign on a business that states weapons are not permitted. Due to some guys trying to show off in the Bay area though like they are doing now in Texas, open carry is no longer permitted.
    There is a ban on certain capacity magazines, but I haven’t experienced that as a problem. What is it people always say when there is talk of a Federal law restricting magazine capacity? “Restricting magazine capacity won’t make any difference. It only takes seconds to change a magazine!” Exactly! No, you can’t have a 40 round magazine hanging out of your handgun here, but why in the world would you want to?
    “Assault weapons” bans of various sorts are in place, but as always with these laws the manufacturers simply make a minor change and the weapon is legal. There are AR15’s hanging in my local hardware store right now for sale if that’s what you’re into. Now if you wish to play Barbie Doll and do a lot of accessorizing on one, you will run into the restrictions, but if your goal is self-protection, what is offered for sale works perfectly well.

    Other considerations:

    Land cost – High by anyone’s standard.

    Taxes – Yes, taxes are high (fuel is a big one hence the $4+ a gallon gasoline) but there is no tax on food you purchase from the grocery and the procedures to raise property taxes make it extremely difficult to do. As property taxes are based on land value, and land is expensive, they are a concern though unless you’ve owned your land prior to Prop. 13. Sales tax on general goods run 8 – 10% depending on where you live. But due to those taxes, CA is one of the few states that actually pays more INTO the Federal coffers than it receives – yes, even with all those illegals that many complain about, CA not only pays its own way, but subsidizes other states (with lower taxes) who don’t.

    Building Codes – Very tight. Essentially, figure you will need a permit from SOMEONE no matter what you want to do on your property. But the plus side of that is that you have protection from a neighbor putting in a chemical plant next door to your organic gardens.

    Climate – Really can’t be beat. Growing season in my area, for all intents and purposes, is year-round. In the eastern mountains, it would compare to much of the mid-west.

    Drought – Yes, but that can occur most anywhere. If you are a commercial grower trying to raise water-needy plants in the middle of a desert, then the drought is a big, big problem for you, but is that your plan? On my homestead, the droughts over the years (yes, they occur regularly) haven’t been much of a concern as I try to conserve water anyway. There is normally no rain here from about May till October, so if you’re growing food or raising livestock, you must always take that into account whether it’s a drought year or not.

    Pollution – Depends where you live. Northern CA is fairly free as there is limited manufacturing and low population.

    Population – Again, it depends on where you live. Many people forget just how large CA really is when they look at population figures. In my Northern CA county, there are less people per square mile than in TN’s Cumberland Plateau.

    Crime – Like everywhere, crime can be high in the cities, but even LA which everyone refers to when thinking of gangs and high crime, is actually ranked very low when compared to other cities across the US.

    Alternative medicine – Available most everywhere. All the MD’s I’ve worked with while fighting my cancer have been open to it and helpful with ideas and resources.

    Home schooling – Very low regulations. Very high acceptance.

    Earthquakes – Yes, they occur but contrary to popular belief, CA isn’t going to fall into the Pacific (the plates move west to east).

    • Be careful or you are going to pop the bubble of some of the small minds on the sites. To many folks go with the perceived notion of California which is based on Southern California instead of doing their own fact finding which is exactly what this site is supposed to be about. In the county I live in not only is getting a CCW easy it is encouraged by the county Sheriff who also sent our Government a open letter stating he wouldn’t enforce any laws he considered against the constitution. We have beautiful mountains,lakes,rivers, streams and forest’s with plenty of deer,fish and small animals in a SHTF situation. Gun restrictions sure we have them. 10 round clip for my AR but the that doesn’t mean it won’t hold a 30 round in a SHTF situation. In short there are lots of small community’s in Northern California where people are salt of the earth and they are a great place to live.

      • SoCalPrepper says:

        I miss NorCal…I’m a Placer County native.

        • poorman says:

          El Dorado County here

          • poorman & SCP
            The home I used to live in was at Whiskeytown, but that was before the lake, yes it was many a moons ago. Dad helped build the dam, glory hole and bridge. I learned to swim in Whiskey creek before this all changed. See I told you we are not old, we are unique :-)

  20. I was forced to move to California 6 years ago due to work. I am counting the days until I can leave and go back to the mid-west. If there is anyway you can avoid moving here I would take that option. K Fields pretty much covered everything I could say, only left most of my guns in a safe back in the Mid-West. Economy is tanking, taxes have gone up every year and the infrastructure sucks.

    • Why would you have left your guns in the Midwest? Unless your running full autos or something there are VERY few guns that are actually banned in California. You can walk into any gun store where I live and buy AR’s AK’S SKS’S Shotguns,glocks ,smiths, revolvers ect. You caN buy ammo at aprox 20 places within a 15 mile area from my house and there are 4 gun shops in that same area so could you please explain your comment?

      • Rider of Rohan says:

        Maybe it had to do with all this malarkey if it’s in fact true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15s_in_California

        • poorman says:

          Its true there are some restrictions. No folding stock though mine is adjustable,10 round mag and have to use a bullet to release the mag instead of just a button but that’s about it. The restrictions are about what bolts to the rifle not the rifle itself. They will take a larger mag and you can buy an adjustable mag lock so you can use a button if your not in Cali. Most of the law is silly but as I said you can still buy and own them. I picked up an M&P 15 a couple of months ago. I don’t think not having a folding stock or front pistol grip is that big of a thing as far as the gun goes. I still don’t like being told I can’t have them though.

          • Rider of Rohan says:

            I’m pretty sure it’s the registration requirements that bother most people, at least that would be the case for me.

            • True Rider you do need to Register guns you buy in Calie but then you have to do that in most states. You don’t have to register guns you already own if you move into the state. We have our problems here I admit I just though that the comment from Russ that he had to leave most of his guns in the mid west needed to be responded to as it was a falsehood and IMHO this site is about truth.

              • poorman,
                You state in part, “… you do need to Register guns you buy in Calie but then you have to do that in most states.” and I would like to correct your statement, since “this site is about truth“. Currently there are only 6 states that require any sort of registration, and at least 8 states, that actually prohibit registration. Many require training and licensure for carrying a concealed loaded handgun; but, that is for the person, and not the individual firearm.

  21. mom of three says:

    My mother in law lives a couple of hours north of Sacramento, it’s nice hotter then I like it. She, is waiting until her mother dies, then she will move up here with us in the split state of Washington. I think the only reason the West Coast states, aren’t falling in a pit, is because WA, OR, CA, all have strong Red sides that keep the Blue side on its toes. I love the West Coast, States but if we are not careful, we are going to tax us out too. I agree with everyone, stay in the Northern side of CA, if you can.

    • mom of three
      I thank you for your comment, we live in the northern part of the state.
      I am holding out that the STATE OF JEFFERSON comes to fruition before long. Like yesterday would suit us just fine. With all the renewable resources we have up here it would be financially stable(wealthy actually) on its own…..ah without the progressives, thank you, you all can keep your backsides in Sac and below.

      • mom of three says:

        We were there in May, oh my you guys, are gearing up.
        I think it would be wonderful if the Northern side did become the State of Jefferson, my hubby has many friend’s and family in the Sacramento/ Chico area they are nervous and happy all rolled in one.

        • mom of three
          It was either Tehama or Glenn county’s supervisors that were being sticklers on the going forward with a YA vote for the acceptance of throwing for the new state. There is another country that is being a stickler, I believe they put it on the ballot for the fall vote.

        • mom of three,
          While it’s good to have dreams, the splitting of California into a pair of states is never going to happen. It would require concent from the federal government as well as the people in CA. This has only been done once in the history of the country, when West VA split from VA, and the only reason this was allowed to happen, was the fact that western VA contained a huge abolitionist population, and the civil war was brewing, so the Feds (in the north) did what was politically expedient.

          • Rider of Rohan says:

            Exactly, the last thing the libs/progressives in Cali or DC would want is a new, conservative-leaning state with 2 votes in the US Senate.

  22. Northern Ca. Is a beautiful place to live. Shasta County has some of the most liberal ( as in pro-2A) regulations in the state, thanks to a pro-constitutional sheriff.
    Sacramento and south – FORGET IT!!!

  23. TR from CA says:

    Cheryl,

    I was born and raised in the 760 area code of SoCal. I am doing everything I can to get my family out of here. Four corners here I come. More people are on some form of government assistance than work in CA. Taxes are high. Prices are high. And most people I encounter have a serious case of entitlement fever. Being a native Californian, I have seen it change from a beautiful place to live and work, to what I described above. And unless you make a good amount of money, it is very difficult to purchase a home. I have been a broker for over sixteen years, so I know first hand on that. I can only comment on SoCal. But from what I read here, Northern CA sounds really nice. But the weather is great here. Good luck to you.

  24. JeffintheWest says:

    We moved here a year ago because my SO wanted to. Now, a year later, she’s talking about wanting to go to Texas. That should tell you everything you need to know….

    We live in the far north, and it is truly a beautiful state. Now if we could just get rid of every human being (okay, there are a few exceptions, like Sirius) south of Santa Rosa, the state would once again be the paradise it was when I was child and Reagan was governor.

  25. We moved to California one year ago, to take care of my Mother in law, who had a massive stroke. The taxes are high here and good jobs not easy to find, but both the wife and I have a good job. We live in LA County and we can carry on life the same as we did in Minnesota, with an almost endless growing season, many fruit trees in the yard and haven’t found anything that I can’t grow here. The way I live is no different that I did in Minnesota, just have to work through different problems, you can survive anywhere if you put your mind to it

    • Rider of Rohan says:

      Just curious, do you have a well on your property? Or a way to get water if the city/county water supply is interrupted? To me the lack of water is the Achilles heel of CA, and the one thing that scares me the most about living in an arid climate with long periods of no rain. No water for irrigation means no garden, no water for fruit trees mean they die, etc. Water is number 1 on my criteria when I look at a place for a retreat.

      • We have a well on the property, but it is capped, wouldn’t be hard to bring it back, the city hasn’t put any water restriction on us. MY water usage has actually gone down, I don’t water all the flowers and just the vegetables, so my monthly bill is very reasonable

  26. Good posts on this thread. I too am moving to the 408 area code in a couple of weeks for a job offer that was just too good to pass up, but I have to work at corporate HQ. At least I get my foot in the door and hope I can be able to relocate to another office in a different location down the road.

    I left CA (Riverside and Orange counties) almost 30 years ago and had no intention of EVER moving back. I even said that to the recruiter, but like I said, the job offer at one of the best companies to work for was just too good to pass up.

    I know I will need to explore and go over new routes to evacuate the area if / when the time comes, and I am glad I’ll be bringing my Big Berky for every day use.

    I am still trying to recover from the ‘sticker shock’ for residential properties, which is over a 100% increase compared to what I am paying now. Ouch!

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  28. I live in LA County, by reason of job and family, I have no problems, 2 gunshops within easy walking distance, many ranges to shoot at, and nobody messes with me, just another guy on the street. I moved here from the midwest last summer and can’t tell a lot of difference, a lot warmer and less rain, but I can grow tomatoes year around, and it’s not as crazy as I imagined from reading other posts