What Will You Do If They Make It Mandatory For All Americans To Take An Ebola Vaccine?

Ebola Vaccine Public Domain 300x300 What Will You Do If They Make It Mandatory For All Americans To Take An Ebola Vaccine?

by Michael Snyder

As the Ebola death toll rises and as images of bodies being abandoned in the streets of Liberia are broadcast around the globe, there has been a growing outcry for the scientific community to “do something” about this deadly virus.  And as luck would have it, there is an “experimental Ebola vaccine” that is ready to be tested on humans next month.

If Ebola starts to spread outside of Africa, and especially if it starts spreading inside the United States, people will be absolutely clamoring to get this vaccine.  But will it be safe?  And there will certainly be millions of people that do not want to take this vaccine under any circumstances.  If the outbreak gets bad enough, will it be made mandatory at some point?

If they do make it mandatory for all Americans to take an Ebola vaccine, what will you do?

Up until now, there has never been a vaccine for Ebola.  But as Dr. Anthony Fauci of the National Instutites of Health recently told “CBS This Morning”, that could soon change

 

They say that if this vaccine is approved, it could potentially be available to the public at some point in 2015.

If a full-blown Ebola epidemic is raging by that time, the demand will be overwhelming.  But many people will not be satisfied to just get the vaccine themselves.  They will want everyone living around them in their communities to get vaccinated as well for the sake of “herd immunity”.  They will argue that those that refuse to get the Ebola vaccine are endangering public health.

So could politicians make the Ebola vaccine mandatory for all Americans at some point?  According to a paper by Jared P. Cole and Kathleen S. Swendiman, many states already have laws that allow for mandatory vaccinations “during a public health emergency”…

Many states also have laws providing for mandatory vaccinations during a public health emergency or outbreak of a communicable disease. Generally, the power to order such actions rests with the governor of the state or with a state health officer. For example, a governor may have the power to supplement the state’s existing compulsory vaccination programs and institute additional programs in the event of a civil defense emergency period. Or, a state health officer may, upon declaration of a public health emergency, order an individual to be vaccinated “for communicable diseases that have significant morbidity or mortality and present a severe danger to public health.” In addition, exemptions may be provided for medical reasons or where objections are based on religion or conscience. However, if a person refuses to be vaccinated, he or she may be quarantined during the public health emergency giving rise to the vaccination order. State statutes may also provide additional authority to permit specified groups of persons to be trained to administer vaccines during an emergency in the event insufficient health care professionals are available for vaccine administration.

But what about on the national level?

Well, it has never been done before, but that doesn’t mean that the Obama administration would not try.  Barack Obama seems to believe that the power of the presidency is virtually endless, and we have already seen him sign a series of very frightening executive orders.  In fact, as I noted the other day, Obama just signed an executive order that gives him the power to apprehend and detain Americans that show symptoms of “diseases that are associated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory illness, are capable of being transmitted from person to person, and that either are causing, or have the potential to cause, a pandemic, or, upon infection, are highly likely to cause mortality or serious morbidity if not properly controlled.”

It wouldn’t seem like it would be too much more of a stretch for him to sign an executive order requiring the vaccination of all Americans in the event of a major Ebola outbreak.  And if we were in the middle of a full-blown pandemic where millions of Americans were dying, a large chunk of the population would definitely support such a move.

In addition to the Ebola vaccine that is being developed, it also conveniently turns out that there are several experimental Ebola drugs in the works as well.  For example, it is being reported that the two American health workers that contracted Ebola while working in Africa have had their lives saved by one of these experimental drugs…

Two American missionary workers infected with the deadly Ebola virus were given an experimental drug that seems to have saved their lives.

Dr. Kent Brantly was given the medication, ZMapp, shortly after telling his doctors he thought he would die, according to a source familiar with his case. Within an hour, doctors say his symptoms — labored breathing and a widespread rash — dramatically improved. Nancy Writebol, another missionary working with Samaritan’s Purse, received two doses of the medication and has also shown significant improvement, sources say.

Needless to say, the company that makes this experimental drug (Mapp Biopharmaceutical Inc.) stands to make a giant pile of money by the time this crisis is over.

And another drug company called Tekmira Pharmaceuticals is also getting a lot of attention right now.  According to CNN, shares of Tekmira Pharmaceuticals soared 40 percent last week alone…

There is no cure for Ebola. But don’t tell that to traders. Shares of a Vancouver-based company working on a drug to treat the infectious disease surged nearly 40% last week.

Tekmira Pharmaceuticals popped on much higher trading volume than usual because investors are hopeful that health agencies in the United States might approve its drug, known as TKM-Ebola.

If Ebola does indeed turn out to be a horrific global health crisis, there will be opportunities for certain companies to make billions upon billions of dollars.

But how will we know that an Ebola vaccine or an Ebola drug is safe?  There have been dozens upon dozens of examples of pharmaceutical drugs that were approved by the government that later turned out to be incredibly harmful.

Sadly, most people don’t stop to think about those examples.  They just continue to have blind faith in the drug companies.  And if Ebola does start spreading rapidly in this country, there will be millions of Americans that are begging for whatever “solutions” the drug companies come up with.

 

Comments

  1. Canyonman says:

    A while back, sure, sign me up. But now, with this administration… I think I’ll pass. I simply do not trust them.

    There was a bit of good news today… all time low in the O-Hole’s approval rating. A few more people have awakened.

    • tommy2rs says:

      O-Hole….lol. I like that one and am unabashedly stealing it, filing off the serial number, and using it like it was mine.

      • Canyonman says:

        It was coined the first time my wife and I saw the logo on a car. We were vexed. I couldn’t figure out why a politician needed a logo – obviously, it was to attract a certain mindset that needs to see a label. My wife called it “the a-hole formerly known as Sotero”, and it evolved into the O-Logo, which became the O-Hole. And obviously, that refers to much more than a sticker. :)

        By all means, use it!

    • Gone West says:

      Absolutely not – NO WAY to taking any government vaccine. I still think they are looking for a way to get rid of us and this is just about perfect. Slip something into that vaccine and poof, we’re all zombies. Nope. I’m going to take my chances with Colloidal. Should work just fine!

      • Gone West,
        What exactly do you mean by get rid of us? When the Black Death got rid of s significant number of the population of Europe, the rich and powerful all of a sudden had no peasant class to take care of things since those with skills and more available resources became more of the kulak class, with the wealthy aristocracy actually having to do real work, many for the first time in their lives. Getting rid of us just doesn’t make sense in any way. Enslaving us under debt and regulations on the other hand, does exactly what they need and puts us all where they want us.

  2. NJGunGUy says:

    I would not, especially with how distrustful this current Administration is and politicians in general. This Ebola scare is all about money and what better way to generate cash for the companies that make the vaccine than bring in two infected people (who knows if they are even infected, as this could be a dog and pony show), scare the masses and then all of a sudden “poof there’s a magic vaccine”. As I always say, follow the money. Modern medicine is not about treating or curing people, it’s about making money.

  3. They wouldn’t force a vaccine on anyone. They would just require that you stay home until the virus kills itself out or you change your mind.

    Personally, if Ebola the U.S. I will shelter at home. When a vaccine was available I would take it.

    • Canyonman says:

      Lovin’ the optimism, Bam Bam. But with another stroke of his magic wand and a sprinkle of pixie dust, the O-Hole will undoubtedly sign an E.O. mandating a vaccine. I’ll bet you a can of Vienna Sausage (meaning I’m that serious, it’s a favorite).

      You wanna hear some REAL paranoia? My dog has a Home Again tracking chip between her shoulder blades. I watched them put it in her six years ago. They did it with a hypodermic needle, and I couldn’t even see the thing, and in it went.

      • loclyokel says:

        Nice segue to the real reason for “inoculations.” LOL Gotta track all those Patriots, III%, and Oath Keepers!

      • ChristineM says:

        Re tracking chip. Unless they have downsized the chip, you should be able to tell by the size of the needle.

    • Guys, take off the tinfoil. Yes, there are risks with any medical intervention. If we were living in the 1950s and you all were seeing your kids paralyzed, you would be clamoring for the polio vaccine. All medical interventions have risks. You just have to weigh whether the risks out weigh potentially contracting the virus.

      • In the 50s we could almost trust the government to not want to kill us. Not the same today: not one iota of trust the gov’t isn’t trying to kill us. If they weren’t, they’d not have purposely imported this disease into the country. We gotta compare apples to apples.

        • Can we address the logical fallacy of assuming that a government is out to kill off all of their people. You realize that a government only has power/wealth/influence based on back of the people they represent/subjugate. So were any government to kill off their population through some sort of fake or lethal vaccine program they would be just a bunch of guys sitting around a wood table saying “well now what?”

          If you are worried that any government has the logistical infrastructure and ability to maintain secrets of this magnitude to only target “enemies” (i assume you mean people who disagree with current administration policies) this too is woefully unlikely.

          At the end of the day vaccine programs have overwhelmingly been positive and their critics have been in every case shown to be foolishly blind to basic science. Thank you Jenny McCarthy.

          While I don’t agree with everything any political organization or administration does I do also recognize that living in a democracy I don’t always get my way – sometimes my preferred candidate loses.

          Worry and paranoia do have their purposes, especially if they motivate positive and prudent actions. Being concerned about a possible ebola outbreak and being motivated to learn more about it and prepare medical supplies and procedures to protect the people you care about is awesome. But being so paralyzed or stubborn that you would refuse a vaccine to a terrible disease just because you think it is more likely that it is a government plot… At the end of the day it comes down to the gambler’s folly – probability vs. possibility.

          It is possible that I will win the lottery, but not probably. It is possible that since the atoms in matter are mostly empty space that I can walk through a door (Quantum Mechanics does allow for this possibility) but it is so incredible unlikely it’s not worth considering. It is possible that the government may use a poison vaccine on its enemies but weighing the odds of that happening compared to the odds of a legitimate vaccine helping eradicate one of the least pleasant ways to die I know what my choice would be.

          • Yea its a lot more like Soros making a $1 billion bet that the US would have its credit rating downgraded 4 hours before it did. Where he got paid 10 times the bet, but would have lost a billion if something that never happened in history didn’t happen that day.

          • “Thank you Jenny McCarthy. ” or more importantly, thank you Rachel Carson.

      • Yea the difference is they are offering to sell you immunity to your house burning down, while bringing in 3rdworld arsonists. The anthrax vaccine killed more people than got anthrax since it was created.

      • Bam Bam,
        I remember the polio vaccine. I was just a small child and ate the sugar cube with no ill effects so far; however, it’s only been about 55 years, so who knows.

    • Gubmints made Guardasil mandatory until the blowback became too heavy. Look at all the problems with Guardasil, up to and including glass shards in the bottle.

      Now, you’ll just feel a slight pinch…

      I read a book (author?) about a hemoragic fever an environmentalist wacko gang tried to spread (save the planet!!!!!). I think they named it Sheeva. They also had a “vaccine” ready (how convienent). Problem was, the vaccine actually gave you the disease. BTW, if we’re almost all dead, why would we care about “saving the planet”?

      • Bubster,
        If we’re almost all dead, then we have already saved the planet, since many in the leftist environmental movement see us as the parasite that is killing everything.

  4. I can see the government, and those who believe the government is the answer, clamoring for people to be required to get the vaccine. I don’t know how they would enforce it. Possibly by reading the chip in your right hand or on your forehead.

    People want a “magic bullet” for everything that is wrong with their lives. This vaccine would just be another in a long list of them.

    Would I get one? Not sure. With the high mortality rate of Ebola, I would probably give it due consideration. I think I’ll end up as one of those “wait and see” types on this issue. At least for myself.

  5. I’ll get vaccinated…right after I get pepper sprayed, tazed, and probably shot. They can order mandatory vaccination all they want, but what can they do if you don’t show up? Besides, I will claim a religious exemption, I’m a practicing Realist.

    I might consider it if it gets to the point of widespread infections… real widespread infections, not just reported on the zombie box. I doubt that it could spread that bad here, different culture. As bad as the media is making it look, it’s still a tiny portion of the population affected.

    • Ebola may not spread so easily here. Americans don’t make a habit of kissing their relative’s corpse. Now Africans are dragging bodies into the street and leaving them. Another example of the wonderful African culture.

  6. TR from CA says:

    If they made it mandatory, I would lie like a rug and tell them my family and I were the first one’s in line to get our shots. Because we are Barry O lovin, Kool Aid drinking, liberal sheeple, just like they want us to be. In reality though, no one is making me take anything. Did you notice on the news how fast that experimental vaccine came out that they used on the doctor? There is no money in the cure. Just the treatment.

    • I was just thinking about how convenient the unveiling of zmap and the vaccine release are right now. Almost as convenient as the shortage of the bird flu vaccine and tamiflu. Next we will have stories of bankers, or this time probably doomsday survivalists, white supremacistsand church groups, buying up and hoarding the treatment. Finallly the vaccine production will be ramped up enough to save everyone with the goverments help ($$).

      I just can’t figure out if that’s marketing 101 or psyops 101.

      • Gone West says:

        Just an FYI to that Tamiflu – try making a tincture with Elderberries. Works perfect :)

        • Tamiflu is not effective unless started within 48 hours of the onset of symptoms.

          • According to a UK study, Tamiflu was found to shorten flu duration by MAYBE 1/2 day. No more effective than Tylenol. Elderberry all the way.

      • Canyonman says:

        Yep; just like the phonebook-sized O-Hole Unaffordable Wedontcare Plan that magically appeared overnight, and Pelosi et al didn’t have time to read it… I’ve pretty much reached a point that when I need to discern the truth, I listen to whatever comes out of D.C. and believe the complete opposite. Seems to be working.

      • Yea it would be a shame if an affirmative action hire let ebola out of the box. Cronies would be awash in money like Biden’s son in the Ukraine.

        • Wasn’t that soooo fortunate for him to take a job as a director in a company about to drill for shale gas in Ukraine?

    • I read somewhere that Dr. Brantly had a blood transfusion from a teenage Ebola survivor and it was those antibodies that were helping him survive the disease. I wonder whatever happened to that story. Remember how the Patriot Act was all ready & waiting as soon as the Twin Towers came down?? Kind of similar to how this miraculous Ebola vaccine is all ready and waiting in the wings as soon as there is a major Ebola outbreak. Just call me a skeptic if you will.

  7. And how quickly can they react as the virus mutates and mutates and mutates?

  8. Never let a disaster go to waste!! Does that not remind you of every administration since the early 1900’s.
    If you think this administration is going to let us set this one out…….ah I do not think so. Line up and shut up, and take you medicine you guinea pig.
    He who controls the staples of life control you and yours.

  9. Over the course of my lifetime, vaccinations have done a lot more good than harm. I’ll get it.

  10. They are already trying to bum rush us with these vaccines. I just took my kids for sports physicals. They wanted to give Hep A, meningitis, the chicken pox vaccine to my two oldest who already had chicken pox btw and my girls the Guardasil/HPV series of three vaccines. Hep A is basically food poisioning which I have antibodies for (knowing this from my stem cell transplant). So they could already have antibodies and not even need the vaccine. HPV has not been around long enough for me to comfortably say it is safe. Why would you give a chicken pox vaccine to someone who has already had chicken pox? Well, they will probably need it anyway when they get older like they outgrow it. I swear a nurse said this. I told her we would take the meningitis for the older two and the younger would not take anything. They had to redo paperwork on the oldest two since they had been more than two year to see the dr. They asked me what other dr I had been seeing and I said no one. I don’t think they believed me. I told them my children were healthy and didn’t need to come to the Dr. We live on a farm and they are outside and have “natural” immunity. They asked about how much time they watch TV and play video games and my oldest son said “I work and play real football and I don’t keep up with the Kardashians”.

    • karena
      I would have given anything to see the nurses expression when your son told her at. ;-) So awesome!!

    • If only we had more parents like you . . . .

    • Have you noticed how “doctors” ask you WHAT medications you are on, not if you are on any? They always seem to be shocked when I say “none”.

  11. CaptJack says:

    Yes this could cause a problem. When the Polio epidemic hit the medical doctors scrambled to find a cure. They took the fluids from the liver’s of blue monkeys of Africa and strained it through rat brains and subdued it with formaldehyde to act as a time release as to not shock the immune system. Forty years later they found they had injected them with HIV from the fluids only found in the monkeys. Medical science uses one germ to kill another. i.e. Penicillin(mold). It would be a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils. With all the conspiracy theories of mass genocide and the gamble of medical science it would surely be a life or death situation.

    • The polio vaccine had nothing to do with monkey brains. They took a live virus, neutered it so it couldn’t replicate, and then grew it in chickens.

      • Country Vet says:

        BamBam & Capt Jack
        The original 1952 inactivated polio vaccine was actually a combination of 3 filed strains grown on monkey kidney culture (Vero cell line) and then inactivated with formaldehyde. This vaccine was field tested in approx. 450,000 children in 1954. Widespred use foloowed almost immediately. In 1960 they determined that the Rhesus cell line that was used had been contamined not with HIV, but with Simian Virus-40. While no definitive proof exists to prove that cancer has been casued in humans by this virus, it has been proven to cause tumors in rodents and has been isolated from multiple types of human tumors. Between 1955 and 1963 over 90 million people received polio vaccine and it is estimated that between 10- and 30million of those received vaccine contaminated with SV-40. There is a hypothesis regarding chimpanzees and the transition from SV-40 to HIV during widespred use of the contaminated vaccine in Afarica, There are some sutdies that refute this, while others do give credance to it.
        Bottom line- Beware

        • Country Vet,

          Thanks for the correction. sometimes I am too quick to disagree with the anti-vaccine folks. My mom had polio and was isolated in a polio ward for a year unable to see her family except through a glass window. Her left side was paralyzed and didn’t grow at the same rate as her right side. She has back problems to this day as a result. Had the vaccine been available, she could have been sparred all this.

          • Country Vet says:

            BamBam
            No problem. Just look at this way. While your mother got polio, at least she did not get infected with SV-40. I am afraid that the true incidence of cancer associated with this virus is probably staggering. I would much rather to have had polio than the cancers that are associated with this virus. Sometimes horrible situations are actually blessings in disguise. I personally had a scare with the polio vaccine as a child. It is a little known fact that the vaccine itself can cause a form of polio. Fortuantely I only had an issue for about 24h. I woke up from a nap and could not move my legs. Not everyone was so lucky. This is still an issue even with today’s vaccine. It is imperative with vaccines to decide if the vaccine risk outweighs the disease risk. I have close personal knowlege of several children that have come to great harm as a direct of today’s childhood vaccines. It is also a little known fact that the human vaccine companies consider a certain percentage of deaths as acceptable and you actually have no recourse against them due to their protection under the law. Time and Time again I have seen children in private schools that are unvaccinated not contract something while numerous of the vaccinated children catch it- This really makes me suspcious that the vaccines may acutally be damaging the immune system rather than protecting the child. – Sorry about the dissertation. I do understand how you feel- I have just seen the other side of the issue. We are both right.

      • Please the first treatment for syphilis as penicillin would kill those in the later stages of the disease because at the time they didn’t understand that some diseases produce toxins when they are killed. That’s why instead of one dose of antibiotics like they did at the time you get them in smaller doses over 10 days. The reason they didn’t give the Tuskegee syphilis patients the shot of PCN was that they already hit the point where the regular treatment would have killed most, by the time PCN came around.

  12. Texanadian says:

    Think about the area effected by the ebola virus and what has been going on in those countries in terms of violence and warfare. Taking some time to find a vaccine – which is preventive, not a cure, may not be such a bad idea as the disease spreads eastward through northern Africa.

    Just think’n that’s all.

  13. Country Vet says:

    No vaccine for me. We will take our chances with sheltering in- place and “disappearing.”
    The timing of this is just too “good” to be accidental.
    Think about it- – A jungle virus with a triple mutation showing up in the middle of multiple cities simultaneously, top disease specialists suddenly succumbing to a disease that they have been dealing with for years safely, an ebola virus previously pattented by CDC, a noted virologist stating that it is their duty to reduce the population thru genetic manipulation of viruses ( may or may not have been joking but it was said) and a vaccine suddenly on the horizon????
    I think that I will just keep my little tinfoil hat.

  14. Willingly take it – like hell. Unfortunately I’m military, so if “they” order it, I may not have a choice. I fight the damn flu vaccine every year, and every year it comes down to my CO having to order me to do it. He happens to agree with me about it, but since he gets ordered, he has to pass it down… Anyway, I’ll fight it as long as possible, and maybe, just maybe, I’ll get retired before I lose battle…

    • Back when medical records where paper many got the anthrax vaccine on paper only in the military.

  15. Vaccines have been around since the founding of our country, with vaccinations using small pox in colonial America. During colonial times a physician would pass a needle through a pox from an infected person and than pass the contaminated needle through the skin of a healthy person. It was very risky to get the vaccination with the method used. I’m not sure but the chance of catching small pox from the vaccination was probably higher than what might have been generally happening at that time.. Since then, medical science has come a long way. Remember that no vaccine is going to be 100% perfect for millions of people. Consider that in the mid 1970’s there was a swine flu scare and millions of people over the age of 30 were advised to get a government provided vaccine. My opinion now makes me wonder if it was a bug that escaped from some government germ warfare lab. I say this because the vaccine was made readily available to the general population quickly. Side effects afterward involved many deaths from heart ailments. My uncle at the time died shortly after getting the vaccine from a heart issue that had a rapid onset.
    I think the fact that the U.S. military already has a quick test to confirm / rule out Ebola should be telling. It is likely that a vaccine may have already been developed or is in the development phase which could be provided to protect soldiers should it become necessary. This is only conjecture on my part and I have no evidence such a vaccine exists or not.

    As for me, if the risk is acceptable I will weigh the benefits or consequences of not getting the vaccine. Since I work in health care it may be mandatory to keep my job or at the very least reduce my risk of catching such a deadly disease.

    As stated earlier vaccines have risks but weigh the risk with the reward prior to saying yes or no. Does research support the efficacy of the vaccine? What side effects have been noted from vaccinated individuals? Have any truly adverse effects such as coming down with the disease or death been associated with a given vaccine? As for myself as a medical professional I will rely on independent analysis (not government sources) exclusively for vaccine related information for an Ebola vaccine. There are no magic bullets but consider the many diseases that can currently be prevented from available vaccines:
    HPV
    Hepatitis A and B
    Varicella – chicken pox
    Diptheria
    Meningococcal
    Pertussis – whooping cough the cough of 100 days
    Shingles – herpes zoster
    Tetanus
    Typhoid
    Tuberculosis
    Mumps
    P-pneumonia
    Polio
    Rabies
    Rotavirus
    RSV
    Rubella
    Rubeola
    Variola Major – small pox
    Dengue Fever
    Japanese encaphalitis
    H1N1
    Influenza – seasonal strains

    I probably have forgotten to list some but you get the idea. Not all of these vaccines are available for the general population especially the small pox vaccine. Some are available from sources in some major cities which can be obtained prior to traveling to foreign countries.

    I will weigh the risk reward of any vaccine and since I work in healthcare it may become mandatory to get vaccinated to retain my job. If I had to choose between the risk of dying from a virus or gaining immunity, I would choose to obtain the vaccine since exposure to a pathogen in a hospital would be highly likely.

    • Take most strains of HPV off your list. The TB vaccine is less reliable than the FLU one that’s why the US doesn’t use it. Yea please take the rabies vaccine now especially if you haven’t been bitten by a foaming animal.

    • I think I’d dodge the vaccine, at least until I could see vaccinated people going for a while (months) without getting the disease.

      • PreparedRN says:

        I refused the flu vaccine the year that the swine flu virus was put into it. When my chief nursing officer asked when I was going to get it I said, “Maybe next year when I know that nobody who took it this year grew a tail!” As a registered nurse, I generally believe that vaccines are used for good. However, it usually takes years, if not decades to get a medication or vaccine approved for use by humans in this country. Therefore, I am highly suspicious when drugs get a “rush” approval–epidemic or not.

  16. What did I tell you guys…follow the money. The first reports about Ebola were that there is no known cure. Then wait for it…wait….

    http://moneymorning.com/2014/08/08/tekmira-pharmas-nasdaq-tkmr-stock-surges-20-as-its-ebola-drug-moves-closer-to-use/

    Always follow the money.

  17. Chuck Findlay says:

    Just wondering is there a natural herb or the like that can be used to fight this?

    • If there was, you can bet the africans would now about it and would probably be using it. SInce this isn’t a ‘common’ or ‘local’ disease, it’d seem unlikely to me that the wild would have a local plant that will work on it. Still, one never knows. Colloidial silver? Perhaps some native plant will have an effect on it but you can bet the fed won’t tell you and since it’s not prevalent in this country yet, who’d have tested it?

    • Country Vet says:

      Chuck Findlay
      I have not tracked down the original article but I have found a reference to an article from 2012 , Archives of Virology, that indicates that Genistein (found in soy, kudzu, coffee, and fava beans) was effective agaist ebola. It inhibits protein-tyrosins kinase. Genistein is antineoplastic and is being tested against Herpes. MIght be something to explore further I would also consider Chinse Skullcap and Lomatium.

  18. If some DHHS moron thinks they’re going to give me a shot, they’d better decide if their life is worth trying to give me a shot. This harkens back to the mandatory flu vaccines and every other government innoculation program, my response has always been the same: “Over my dead body.”

  19. riverrider says:

    tell them i have a backhoe and several bags of lime.

  20. In response to the information I read about the Polio. I found it in a Medical Journal. I wasn’t there so it was second hand news. It’s like most things you read. Never really know what is truth. But this I do know. It is better to die on your feet, than to go on living on your knees.

  21. Word of caution says:

    Not for nothing but to me it feels to much like the movie “I am legend” with Will Smith. The movie is described as the following – a genetically re-engineered measles virus, originally created as a cure for cancer, mutated into a lethal strain which rapidly infected humans and some species of animals. By the end of the year, over 90% of the planet’s human population died…..
    I just think they need to do more testing before they say it is safe for the masses to take. People have been dying from this thing for generations in Africa and all of a sudden a couple of Americans get it and BAM we just happen to have a miracle cure. Something smells worse then everything else on the DC BS pile.

  22. Chuck Findlay says:

    Don’t know if I would take it, like most of us here I don’t think there is much honesty in DC and have learned to not trust them. But I would take a wait and see viewpoint before I said 100% no to taking it.

  23. I’d wait to see the effectiveness and side effects of the vaccine. I can live isolated for a long time, so I could reap the benefits whether I should get the vaccine or not over time.

  24. Part of the problem is that people, including TDL, don’t understand what can be done or not done with an executive order. The president can order employees of the executive branch to do or not do certain things, including ignoring certain laws or regulations; however, an executive order is not a law that can be instituted against the population, so I think this kind of thing would be unlikely. In any case, I would hold off as long as possible, allowing the early adopters of the vaccine to be the guinea pigs. They will either prove the drug to be safe, in which case I may participate; or, they will have significantly enough bad side effects that not getting the vaccine will be not only prudent; but, easy to defend in court.

  25. I would hole up and wait and see as long as I could, to see whether people were getting the vaccine and dying anyway.

    I routinely do things like buy OTC medicine or canned goods ahead of when I need it, and then wait a few months to open it, in case it’s tainted and news comes out about it. I have done this my whole adult life since the poison Tylenol scare of the 80’s had a big impression on me.

    The one or two times I was put on experimental meds they had a recall a couple years later on them. I am done with that. Now I wait, if I can, when a new cure comes out, to see how it proves itself over time.

    Not having had insurance most of my adult life, I also have figured out that many ailments are stress related. If I get an infection I can’t cure myself then I go get antibiotics but that is only like once every 3 years. Usually it’s bronchitis.