Monday miscellany

by M.D. Creekmore on August 27, 2012 · 62 comments

Obama asks eurozone to keep Greece in until after election day : “The Obama administration will pressure European governments not to let Greece fall out of the eurozone before November’s Presidential elections, British Government sources have suggested.”

Romney’s First 100 Days : “It is the morning of Wednesday, Nov. 7, and after a long night of celebrating and a short night of sleep, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan wake up to confront the question awaiting every new administration: Of the campaign’s many promises, which few will become the real priorities?”

Some “recovery” – U.S. Incomes Fell More in Recovery Than Recession : “American incomes declined more in the three-year expansion that started in June  2009 than during the longest recession since the Great Depression, according an  analysis of U.S.  Census Bureau data by Sentier  Research LLC.” Thanks to Gwen C for the above links…

$150 Silver Price, “This Will Happen,” Says Swiss Money Manager : “If there was ever a sleeper asset poised to moonshot, it is silver. And $150 is the target price for the white metal on this next major move higher, says Swiss money manager Egon von Greyerz.”

Nick Barisheff Calls For $10,000 Gold Prices Within 5 Years : “You think that is an overly bullish prediction? Not if there is hyperinflation. Barisheff says, “If we get into hyperinflation, $10,000 will be a conservative estimate.” How likely is hyperinflation? According to Mr. Barisheff, “There’s never been a fiat currency that didn’t end in hyperinflation and then complete collapse, not one in all of history.” He expects gold to hit “$1,900 an ounce by the year end.”

Republicans Eye Return to Gold Standard : “The gold standard has returned to mainstream U.S. politics for the first time in 30 years, with a “gold commission” set to become part of official Republican party policy.” Thanks to tommy 2r’s for the link.

Romney lawyers took away Ron Paul’s win in Maine making Paul ineligible : “By taking Maine away from Ron Paul, according to the Republican rules, Ron Paul is no longer eligible for nomination to be President of the United States.” Thanks to tommy 2r’s for the link.

Economic collapse is inevitable, here’s why : “America is quickly approaching a catastrophic economic collapse. Before you dismiss this as hype or paranoia, take a few minutes to review the facts outlined on this page. The numbers don’t lie. At this point, the dollar crash is unavoidable… far from an exaggeration this is a mathematical certainty. As repelling as that sounds, it’s in your own best interest to learn just how bad the situation is.”

NYPD: 9 shooting bystander victims hit by police gunfire : “All nine bystanders caught in the crossfire of a shooting outside New York City’s iconic Empire State Building were wounded by two police officers who had never fired their weapons on duty, authorities confirmed Saturday.” Thanks to Hunker-Down for the link.

U.N. to invade Texas? “Ridiculous,” says world body : “The United Nations scoffed on Friday at claims by a judge in Lubbock County, Texas, that U.N. troops could invade the southern U.S. state to settle a possible civil war, which the judge warned could be sparked if Obama is re-elected in November.”

Romney birth certificate remark rekindles Obama controversy : “Mitt Romney took a dig at President Barack Obama on Friday over his birth certificate in comments that reignited a controversy over the Democrat’s eligibility to be president. No one’s ever asked to see my birth certificate,” a smiling Romney told a rally of some 7,000 people in his home state of Michigan.”

Box Office Report: Anti-Obama Doc Beats New Films With $6.3 Mil on Eve of GOP Convention : he anti-Barack Obama film Obama’s America, opening last month in only a few theaters, now boasts a domestic cume of $9.2 million, the top gross of the year for a documentary (excluding nature films). Bully was the previous crownholder with $3.5 million.

Your Health : Five Supplements that Can Help Reduce Chronic Pain : Here are five supplements you should consider when trying to reduce chronic pain.

62 comments

riverrider August 27, 2012 at 9:40 am

tickled to death about the movie! maybe it’ll reach more people now…i’m going to try that vit d/tumuric thing. i used ibuprofen until it finally cooked my stomach…keystone kops at work. now if that had of been a citizen that shot the bad guy plus nine, that citizen would be in jail right now. i was issued a good old 38 revolver, got dang good with it because i knew i had to get er done with six or die. it was one shot, evaluate the target, one shot. today its empty the mag in the general direction of the target. piss poor policing. so now i need a bumper sticker that says “nypd has shot more accidentally than i have shot on purpose.”……..praying for the folks in the path.

oHIo August 27, 2012 at 11:30 am

1S1K…practically beaten into me while in the Army, a mantra that I still take to the range with me today.

village idiot August 27, 2012 at 11:59 am

Good day, river. Did you hear about the citizen in Baton Rouge who saved a policeman who had a perp getting the best of him? Shot the perp 4 times in the stomach area without getting results, so put a shot to the head that finished the perp off. Now that’s some nice shooting. The guy had a Concealed Carry permit, but he was white and the perp was black, so trouble looms on the horizon for him. FBI getting involved is what I heard, and the DOJ. That’s how the PTB are going to stop people from protecting themselves or others, and that is to make it such a hassle and possible criminal charges that people will just stop protecting themselves. Shameful.

Just heard there has been a school shooting in Maryland with one injured. Every little incident is now being played up in the media to prepare the ground for gun control if Obama gets back in. And since he can’t get it passed through Congress, he will do it by Executive Order. He got away with it on immigration, so he feels empowered to rule by dictatorial edicts through his federal agencies. Not good.

riverrider August 27, 2012 at 3:51 pm

vi, got my 6 pack of canadian beauties in the mail today, so whatever happens, its a good day:) filled up the truck n 4 gas cans=150 bucks, ouch! found out my best neighbor is bugging out to his family farm in west va. that one hurts. come on vi, think positive. shotgun ,rifle, and a four wheel drive, countryboy can survive.

Repair mama August 27, 2012 at 11:15 pm

Transplanted country girls can too!! lol
or at least that is what I call myself.
I like the 6-pack!! good for you! I went to the bank and drew out savings into cash today and only left enough to keep the account open. Now I have to figure out what to do with it. I have a ton of ideas,,,,,surviving winter is first on the list.

I wish your best neibor well in their bug out. I dont blame them. I bugged out 20 years ago and would not go back to the city for anything!! I just dont belong there anymore. The rat race will have to do with one less rat!

Take care and keep your eyes open. Things are really getting strange!

Homeinsteader August 28, 2012 at 9:26 am

RM, you’re the kind of people I hope to find if and when we must permanently bug out to BOL! Blessings,

Hunker-Down August 28, 2012 at 10:12 am

village idiot,

The MSM is a victim of the herd instinct and will hyperventilate over every gun story until their attention is distracted by that same instinct. Kinda like our dog and the next chew toy she rediscovers.

MSgt August 27, 2012 at 3:33 pm

A long time ago I made a conscious decision that if I didn’t have a reasonable shot at the BG I would pray he didn’t either and I would continue to maneuver until I could take a shot that would not endanger an innocent bystander. So far, so good. MSgt

SurvivorDan August 27, 2012 at 4:55 pm

Indeed. I have been under fire and unable to return fire because of uncertainty of my backstop.
Hate to second guess the officers on the scene, from the perspective of time and my recliner, but I am appalled at the number of bystanders hit by ‘friendly’ fire.
I agree that the jackasses already in office and the ones running for office have little intention of keeping any promise in the long run.
I still remember cheering for the Republicans when they were balancing the budget and showing some stones. Two years later they were back to the wild spending ways of Washington. When subsequently thrown out the Republicans begged to get back in promising to be better. Asking for forgiveness ‘cuz, ” We lost our way….{contrite grin and some lower lip biting}”

Homeinsteader August 27, 2012 at 9:43 am

HEY, Y’ALL! Please go fill your gas tanks and storage tanks TODAY, if at all possible, no matter where you live. The off-shore rigs are shutting down and sending people home in anticipation of Isaac as I write this. FUEL PRICES ARE GOING UP, AGAIN, due to “lost production”.

Ran down to N’awlins late yesterday to help DD pack up and get “stuff” to Central MS; lines of cars were already hanging out on Vets Blvd at gas stations by 8 pm last night; we fueled outside the city going in and coming out. Just a hint, if you must go there. Gas up on the north shore in and out.

If you’re not even close to N’awlins, go gas up NOW, anyway, and fill your reserve cans NOW, as you WILL NOT be able to fill them later anywhere in LA, MS, AL, etc. Remember: post-Katrina, fuel was rationed at 10 gallons per vehicle, lines were a mile long at every open station, and gas cans were confiscated by local P.D.

oHIo August 27, 2012 at 11:22 am

I filled up this morning after hearing the rigs were getting shut down on the news.

bctruck August 27, 2012 at 11:24 am

good idea! im glad someone was thinking! (not me) im gonna empty all my gas into the pickup and go fill them all up right noe. i keep about 25 gallons untreated gas on hand always and i have 3 ,5 gallon containers that i empty every six months that i keep treated. it looks like we might get several days of rain and wind out of it (in north louisiana) we could sure use the rain but not at the expense of the gulf coast.

Bam Bam August 27, 2012 at 12:36 pm

Home’r,

The off-shore rigs shut down whenever there is a hurricane or strong tropical system in the gulf. This is standard procedure. The rigs will be back and running by Thursday. I am not too worried about this.

Homeinsteader August 27, 2012 at 3:58 pm

I’m not worried about it, either, BamBam. The prices ALWAYS jump after such an event, but then they’ll level out again; just trying to warn people to take advantage of lower prices, especially those on a fixed income. AND….I’m a prepper, after all! ; )

Papabear August 27, 2012 at 6:32 pm

I don’t worry about the price, it always costs too much. I worry about DS2. He is at work now, on a deep water drilling rig. The floating rigs get towed out of the way of the storm. Can’t communicate with him until they are stationary again.

village idiot August 27, 2012 at 7:38 pm

Papabear, let’s hope and pray everything turns out fine for him. A prayer for all the people in the path of the storm known as Isaac.

riverrider August 27, 2012 at 1:21 pm

add to that the venezuela oil refinery blew up. biggest in the world.

Homeinsteader August 27, 2012 at 4:00 pm

right, rr – for those who may not have caught it:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/25/amuay-venezuela-oil-refinery-explosion_n_1830737.html

PARAGUANA/CARACAS, Venezuela, Aug 25 (Reuters) – An explosion tore through Venezuela’s biggest refinery on Saturday, killing at least 39 people, wounding dozens and halting operations at the facility in the worst accident to hit the OPEC nation’s oil industry.

EB.Esquire August 27, 2012 at 2:50 pm

Gas cans were confiscated by the police department?

Homeinsteader August 27, 2012 at 7:55 pm

Yes, they were EBE, I can’t name specifically where for OPSEC, but, they most assuredly were, in my own town. Due to “refugees” from the MS Gulf Coast and N’awlins, gas, water, and food supply were all rationed. Gas was rationed at 10 gallons per vehicle – period. The local news, etc., made this info abundantly clear, and also that any gas cans found in vehicles would be confiscated. Of course, some people ignored that – and lost their gas cans. Local police took them, and kept them, as far as I know.

EB. Esquire August 29, 2012 at 9:35 am

That makes no sense, if there was a 10 gallon ration and you couldn’t get more than that, why confiscate the gas cans, they’d be useless anyways. Furthmore, if you were staying put and not leaving, wanted the gas for a generator and not for a vehicle, then your 10 gallons could be put in a gas can.

I am not saying you are lying, but I just find it ridiculously hard to believe.

Homeinsteader August 29, 2012 at 12:20 pm

I didn’t make the rule and I didn’t enforce it – but local police dept. did. I think the idea was just to allow enough fuel per vehicle to get them to the next stop for additional fuel. And, I assure you, EBE, while I DO have my shortcomings, lying is not among them.

Hunker-Down August 29, 2012 at 2:31 pm

Homeinsteader,

I suppose the rationale for confiscating the gas cans is to stop me from getting 50 gallons which would cause the station to run out sooner, thus more people would get none. Taking the can from me would stop me from pulling the same thing at the next station.
Not returning my property is another matter.

Homeinsteader August 29, 2012 at 5:06 pm

HD, I’m thinkin’ they just wanted to make fuel available for TRAVEL PURPOSES only – as I said, the 10 gallons was assumed to be sufficient to get most motorists to another stop, where, hopefully, they could buy more fuel. Fuel trucks were being sent to strategic locations, for just this reason – they could not get the fuel to every gas station IMMEDIATELY after such an event.

But it was most assuredly RATIONED. Anyone who thinks “rationing” is just “too far out there” hasn’t learned a history lesson from the previous two world wars.

Other point: I did not say they were not returned. I have no idea whether they were or were not (local media did not report on that). But they surely did report that they WOULD be confiscated, and reported that they DID confiscate (for those who didn’t get that memo!).

Blessings to you, HD!

Homeinsteader August 29, 2012 at 5:08 pm

Oops. I messed up. I did say (way up there) and “kept them, as far as I know”. I should not have said that, because, I do not know what they did with them. My bad!

Homeinsteader August 30, 2012 at 8:24 am

The lines were close to a mile long for the few stations that had not already run out of gas. Not many people would sit in a line a mile long more than once, burning out precious fuel along the way, so I doubt there was a lot of abuse; and there WERE police officers on duty at each open station.

Repair mama August 27, 2012 at 11:21 pm

Crap! I only got 30.00 today in one truck.. My dh is working out of town and he has the deisel truck with him. That was $3.96 this morning when he filled up. I will ask him tonight to top it off in the morning so if it gets weird, he can get home. It took him 1/2 tank to get to the jobsite today. I hate it when he works out of town. He knows I am more than capable to hold down the fort and keep things here running when he has to work out of town, but damn, I miss the man when he is not here.
I will go and fill up the other trucks in the morning as well, since the little man is in bed for the night and has school in the morning.
As of this morning here, gas was $3.69 per gal.. I hate to see what it is in the morning.

Homeinsteader August 28, 2012 at 9:30 am

Yep! Even lamestream media is warning that prices “could skyrocket” today. Not surprisingly, at all.

Just4Rselves August 28, 2012 at 11:35 am

I can always predict when the gas prices will go up. Look at the calendar and see if a holiday weekend is coming. Our prices here always go up!

Paco August 27, 2012 at 9:46 am

I don’t believe that Romney will do anything he promises or is in the party platform, including firing Bernanke and establishing a gold commission. He’ll just say, “Well, the circumstances that supported my former position are different now. Who could have foreseen the current situation? In this time of crisis we need to take bold action even if it seemed like the wrong thing a few months ago.”

worrisome August 27, 2012 at 10:02 am

Paco, that is the problem with “belief”, ya never know. Better to dig in and see if you can find anything that leads to something more tangible than “belief”. Remember the “belief” in hope and change? That worked out soooo well didn’t it?

village idiot August 27, 2012 at 11:38 am

Unfortunately, none of the candidates will do what they say they will do, and that includes any libertarians or green party candidates. The Democrats will likely retain control of the Senate, and no budget or bill “Dingy Harry” doesn’t like has been allowed to come to the floor for a vote since 2010. Why would he change now? As for the gold standard, it’s highly controversial, and few in the public support it. I personally think it’s doable if we have the amount of gold the government says we do, but who knows whether that is true? I would love to see a Gold Commission established, but one knows what it would find, and that is that going back to gold would be impossible. And Romney can’t fire Bernanke anyway without some cause as it’s an appointed position. In any event, the best thing any President can do at this point is reign in the government agencies now ruling us through nefarious regulations. If Romney did that, which I don’t expect him to fully do, he would be way ahead of his predecessor.

george August 27, 2012 at 5:06 pm

I go by the philosophy that all politicans are like teenage boys trying to get laid. They will say and promise anything to get in and then after that they tend to get amnesia till the next time.

JP in MT August 27, 2012 at 10:20 am

I’m sure that above all else, Europe will hold out on the Greek problem until after the election, now that TDL has asked them to.

Mike August 27, 2012 at 10:53 am

Paraphrasing Fearless Leader “Gee folks let’s keep Greece in the eurozone until after I lose the election. That way when the euro does fail and the domino effect forces the crash of the US economy, by then Romney will be in office and then he will be blamed, making me look that much better. Nanny nanny boo boo”

I do not recall ANY politician that was able to keep many of their campaign promises. You can tell a politician is lying because his (her) lips are moving.

I would very much like to see Ron Paul in and win the election. However, I believe any vote for any other candidate besides Romney would equate to a vote for Fearless Leader.

NYPD shooting more bystanders than actual ‘bad guy’ is only indicative why the fed needs so many millions of rounds… they could not hit the broad side of a barn so they need to shoot that many more times.

I think everyone that has the opportunity to see the movie 2016: Obama’s America should do so at the earliest opportunity… before Fearless Leader has his cronies ban the film.

P.S. Sorry for all the sarcasm ;O)

axelsteve August 27, 2012 at 11:12 am

Romney may fire Bernanke. He will probably replace him with mini me Bernanke though. He will hire some schmuck who was once in with Goldman Sachs like the other fed chiefs. That geene pool needs lots of clorox.

Debbie August 27, 2012 at 11:17 am

Paco,

For me this election is ABO (anybody but Obama). He’s done so much damage I don’t think it can be fixed in my life time. Although, I’m nearly as old as dirt now so that may not be saying much for the time left. :)

MtWoman August 27, 2012 at 12:55 pm

Look for those food prices to start spiking: milk, cheese, etc.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/24/us/drought-missouri-dairy-farmers/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

This is a rotten shame.

MtWoman August 27, 2012 at 12:58 pm
MtWoman August 27, 2012 at 1:10 pm

Y’all hang on out there!! “We are having a swarm,” Jones said. “We expect thousands of events (like this) over several days.”

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/26/us/california-quake-swarm/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Just4Rselves August 27, 2012 at 2:15 pm

Besides not being able to shoot straight, what ever happened to the police having to be in shape? All I ever see are overweight officers that even I could out run.
riverrider, I want one of thoses bumper stickers!
I still can’t believe they are saying we are in a recovery!
Thanks MtWomen for the links.

MtWoman August 27, 2012 at 4:44 pm

Just4Rselves…I’m with you on the “bellies” of a lot of police…I’ve wondered about that for a long time. It’s true that that’s what you see a lot of. Doesn’t make sense.

riverrider August 27, 2012 at 8:17 pm

in there defense, riding around in a car 10 hours a day relaxes your abs and allows them to expand way beyond the amount of fat inside. it happened to me riding a desk the last few years:) thats why truckers are rather round as well. they are not eating tons, nor lazy. nature of the job.

loco August 27, 2012 at 2:32 pm

I for one liked the article on 5 supplements to help relieve chronic pain, I suffer from chronic pain they call mitochondrial disorder. It really sucks because there are days I can hardly get out of bed, even with all of the pain meds. (which are stong enough to kill a horse) but there are days I do fine. I will definetly try them out now ( supplements) so I’ll know what works for me and what don’t. Thanks for the article.

OhioPrepper August 28, 2012 at 12:39 pm

When taking any new supplements, make sure to check for any interactions with any prescription medications you take.

MSgt August 27, 2012 at 3:53 pm

Days like this where I would just like to
1. Get the GPS coordinates of say Riverrider, Jarhead, Survivor Dan, M.D., Mt Woman, Village Idiot, and a few more.
2. Figure the midway point and send back the coordinates so if somebody needs something.
3. Dig one large hole for my supplies.
4. Dig one small hole for me.
5. Sit and wait.

Repair mama August 27, 2012 at 11:27 pm

Hey, You are always welcome here. I’m sure that others here would love to have you around too. Hang in there.

I do wish we were all closer so we could have a meet up or something. (family reunion haha)
You guys are the best.

riverrider August 28, 2012 at 10:16 am

m, that midway point would be about chicago i think. might wanna rethink that,LOL! days like this i’d like to dig one hole for me, and get in n cover it up.

MSgt August 29, 2012 at 9:39 am

RR,
That is the other sad thing. I’m not that far south from Chicago. MSgt

recoveringidiot August 27, 2012 at 4:23 pm

NYPD: Don’t they carry radio’s? What would have been wrong with following the suspect who best I could tell was not threatening anyone or brandishing his weapon until he was out of the crowd and in a better place to go all OK corral on him? Common sense is missing in lots of places and it seems to me (no LE experience) it won’t used in this instance either.

riverrider August 27, 2012 at 8:20 pm

gold standard, no way. at least according to the documentary i saw the other night, that would require a balanced budget and no debt. i doubt we have 16 trillion in gold even at ft.knox.

Mike August 27, 2012 at 9:29 pm

RR,

If they did go to a gold standard, I would suspect that would drive the price up in order to offset that unbalanced ratio. Come on $5k per ounce!

OhioPrepper August 28, 2012 at 12:19 pm

Everything I’ve heard and read on the subject would be more like $10,000-12,000 per oz. However, that 1 oz gold coin you paid $600 for and is now worth $1600, would still only buy a good suit @ $10,000. Hyper-inflation does that.

GeorgiaBoy August 28, 2012 at 10:54 pm

RR,
That documentary must have been by someone against a gold standard- no reason we couldn’t go back on a gold standard regardless of the amount of debt we owe-the debt, and the amount of gold we own would determine the value of each dollar -whether it’s worth 1/1000th of an ounce, 1/10,000th of an ounce, etc. Once set, though, it would insure that the dollar you earn or save this year will still buy the same amount of gold in the future. Anyone saying we can’t go back on gold until the debt is paid either doesn’t understand what he is talking about or is setting up a seemingly insurmountable obstacle to something they are not in favor of. Supporters of ever more government spending and borrowing don’t want the dollars value fixed-they want the government to be able to pay its ever increasing debt with ever-less valuable dollars,

Hunker-Down August 29, 2012 at 9:42 am

GeorgiaBoy

+10

Indiana joe August 27, 2012 at 9:15 pm

Question about silver. On the sponser link it has rounds and bars and tubes. Which is better. They all say 999 fine but there is a price difference between Canadian Mexican australian and buffaloes. How do I know what is the best option. What about pre 64 quarters or libertys?

JP in MT August 27, 2012 at 10:52 pm

Indiana Joe:

It all boils down to your why; why are you buying PM’s.

Canadian Maple Leafs and US Silver Eagles have a face value, and usually bring a premium (higher cost) over .999 silver round and bars.

I have Silver Eagles primarily for wealth preservation (along with some gold coins, all .5 oz or less). Larger weight silver bars (5+ oz) would fall into the preservation category in my world. I call my .999 rounds and pre-’65 coins “trade silver” as that is it’s primary reason because of their relative smaller value.

I hope this helps.

OhioPrepper August 28, 2012 at 12:24 pm

There is also an authenticity issue. If I have a metal bar marked 1 oz, 5 oz, or 100 oz 99.99 fine silver, how do you know it really is what it is marked? You either trust me or need some way to test it. A minted coin OTOH is generally harder to fake, and that built in authenticity is part of the premium also.

Marti August 27, 2012 at 9:47 pm

I doubt we have ANY gold at Ft. Knox!

axelsteve August 28, 2012 at 12:53 am

I think the gold has been out of fort knox since the leisure suit and nehru jacket were out.

MtWoman August 28, 2012 at 11:28 am

axel…my father would agree with you.

Hunker-Down August 28, 2012 at 2:36 pm

Quote from – U.S. Incomes Fell More in Recovery Than Recession :

“Median household income fell 4.8 percent on an inflation- adjusted basis since the recession ended in June 2009, more than the 2.6 percent drop during the 18-month contraction”.
Since food and fuel are not included in the inflation numbers, and some commentators peg food inflation between 8 & 10 percent, HOW MUCH IS YOUR PURCHASING POWER SHRINKING?
We are in the first phase of a depression.

From “NYPD 9 shooting bystander victims”;
If you or I fired a weapon in the same spot, we would be arrested for attempted murder. If the NYPD shoots, its a ‘stray bullet’. An independent commission should count all those cops toes.

From “Republicans Eye Return to Gold Standard” :
If our schools would teach the history of fiat money, if students had the opportunity to learn that EVERY SOCIETY drove their fiat money to zero;
If everyone knew that, a return to the gold, or a similar standard would be a shoo-in.

I’m afraid to read all of today’s topics, less the dog catcher wrapped me in a straight jacket.

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