Monday miscellany



Gun control debate begins to simmer after massacre : “Democrats say meaningful action in the wake of the school shootings in Connecticut must include a ban on military-style assault weapons.” This is just the thing Anti-Second Amendment groups have been waiting for to gain support for their agenda…

M.D. Adds : folks the term “military-style assault weapons” will likely include all firearms with a semi-auto action – ie your Glock handgun, Ruger 10/22, Remington 750 ect, and magazines over 10 rounds. The media also seems to like the term “high-powered weapons” so whats left… a Daisy BB gun?

How to Spot a Hypocrite in the Gun Debate and Other Reflections on Newtown : These people are not interested in easing violence; these folks want to disarm the public before the mathematically inevitable economic collapse occurs. While many of these folks claims publicly that there is an “economic recovery” and happy days are just over the horizon, they know better and privately want to get all their ducks in a row before the final and horrific collapse occurs. This is why the surveillance state is making such aggressive strides at the moment. It is also why there is a panic to remove firearms from the public.

Lanza, Bloomberg, Obama, guns, psychiatric meds, and mass hypnosis: the TV script : “Last night, I watched network coverage, wherein, of course, the anchors were in Newtown, standing on the street, “trying to make sense of the whole thing. If they’re so interested, along with the public, in figuring out why Adam Lanza killed all those children, you would think, with their enormous resources, they would find out who Lanza’s doctor-psychiatrist was in five minutes and ask him about his patient.”

Society Is Crumbling Right In Front Of Our Eyes And Banning Guns Won’t Help : “In response to the horrible tragedy in Connecticut, many in the mainstream media are suggesting that much stricter gun laws are the obvious solution. After all, if we get rid of all the guns these crazy people won’t be able to commit these kinds of crimes, right?”

Vicious mass killings have targeted schools and students worldwide : “Attackers often seek out the vulnerable, hoping to amplify their outrage before they themselves often commit suicide. News of one mass killing often serves as inspiration and blueprint to other potential mass killers.”

Unfortunately, mass killing are not new…

And that’s all I have to say about that…

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  1. PreppingMomma5 says:

    So what am I supposed to do? Not buy the 9mm I have set aside to pick up on Saturday for my hubby?

    • Buy the gun, and while you are at it buy a revolver.

      • The Last American says:

        Same advice as worrisom, a Smith 686, (3 or 4 inch) speed loaders, and holster. Don’t forget to get a good trigger job as new revolvers out of the box tend to be “stiff”.

    • GeorgeisLearning says:

      dont forgets some ammo too! lots of it. I mean the price of stuff wont go down so mine as well buy as much as you can now.

  2. In your list you left off Kent State.

    • nate,

      There were a bunch of cases that were not included with my short list – this type of craziness happens often, not just here in the U.S. but would wide and many do not involve a firearm of any type. Feel free folks to add links to other examples if you think it necessary to do so…

      • GeorgeisLearning says:

        I dont have a link but lets just talk about all the bars that serve folks shots and beer all night and then tellem to have a good night and see ya tomorrow as they stumble out the door.

  3. The Last American says:

    First they’ll take your guns, then crime will go up. In Australia it went up 200% the first year after they banned most guns.
    Then when people get upset by the high crime rates and they’ll call for more “Protection”, which leads to a State Cop on every street corner. Which is why the Obammunist will need, “A National Security Force, just as large and well funded as the Military”.

    Don’t worry, maybe like the Soviet Union we’ll be able to get lots of Vodka,or legal Pot, or anti-depression pills, so we won’t mind…..just say’n

  4. “Society is crumbling” That article says it all best. It so sums up what I have been thinking.

  5. The Last American says:

    I read you list and was heart broken by each item, as I was also over Friday’s events.

    Another list which might go here is taken from the book, “The Black Book of Communism” it is the number of defenseless citizens murdered by their Marxist Governments because they did not have proper firearms to defend themselves with:
    USSR 20 million
    China 65 million
    Vietnam 1 million
    North Korea 2 million
    Cambodia 2 million
    Eastern Europe 1 million
    Latin America 150,000
    Africa 1.7 million
    Afghanistan 1.5 million
    International Communist movement and various Communist Parties 50,000

    Let’s not forget the 200+ Mexican Citizens gunned down by “Fast and Furious” guns, or the 10 million defenseless (without guns ) citizens of Nazi Germany.

    • SurvivorDan says:

      I spent some time in Honduras years ago and even with the violent unpleasantness from the Nicaraguan struggle (and their own internal rebels) the rate of death by intentional homicide was relatively low. Lovely place (and women).
      NOW – With very strict gun laws they are ranked #1 (by the UN) in the world with nearly 13 times our intentional homicide rate.
      Strict gun laws? Highest rate of intentional homicide (primarily by gunfire by the way)?
      That doesn’t make any sense…….
      Oh! That’s right! The citizens don’t have guns and the criminals do.

  6. bulldogbeau says:

    Great,

    Just heard on AM talk radio they are labeling the shooters mom as a prepper. That she had stock piles of ammo and food. Tought her kids survival skills, how to shoot etc. This is not being said in a posotive manner either.

    Poor children, poor families… It is also very sad that they are using this to go after their political enemies.

    God help us!

    • GeorgeisLearning says:

      yeah I saw that on the web somewhere. So yeah we’re theh crazies.

      The I saw a vid last night a cop in Connecticut talking about people posting information on the web on social media sites that if the information is not correct they will be prosecuted by the fbi..?? Im not exactly sure what information hes talking about but the msm media was reporting all kinds of ignorant none facts the day of and after the shooting. I can only assume they will be taking the msm and tossing their lying butts in prison as well. Mine as well toss the lying government workers in prison as well. Nope none of them get to go just you and me.

  7. Got this from “Notes from the Bunker” blog (commanderzero.com):

    “One of my vendors for guns emailed this little gem to their customer list today:

    Subject: shipping

    There were over 2,300 internet orders that came through over the weekend. I would not guarantee any order getting to a customer by Christmas except for true air packages.

    Yeah….there just might have been just a bit of an uptick in sales.”

    I agree.

  8. I’ve been hearing some news outlets trying to label the shooter’s mother as a prepper. Look out folks, take cover, the sh!t storm has started.

    • PGCPrepper says:

      Is it wrong to hope she didn’t frequent this blog?

      …purging computers has begun.

      CNN:
      “Investigators are searching smashed computer parts for clues that might shed light on the Connecticut school shooting, including e-mails gunman Adam Lanza might have sent and websites he might have visited, a law enforcement official said Monday. CNN’s Carol Cratty reports that the official did not know how many computers were seized from the home where Lanza lived, but the official thinks there was more than one. A second law enforcement official said investigators had removed computers from the house, but would not comment on their condition.”

      • PGCPrepper,

        Yep, I saw that too – this blog has never condoned violance of any kind unless it is self-defense, see our about this blog page.

        • PGCPrepper says:

          I know boss.

          The mom probably didn’t advocate violence either but we’ll see how that plays out…at least in the media.

          • PGCPrepper,

            Yes, no doubt about it they will (and are) blaming everything and everyone but the killer.

            Was the term “prepper” no invented by survivalists as a more policaly correst term?

            This post is from 01/22/2010 – Are you a Prepper or a Survivalist?

            From The Urban Dictionary – 1. Prepper: Someone who focuses on preparedness, generally for various worst-case scenarios

            By all indications political correctness has found its way into the ranks of the preparedness movement. In the late 1980s those preparing for an uncertain future embraced the term survivalist – a term Kurt Saxon claims to have coined.

            Whether he did or not is beside the point as it seems that most survival planner’s are now embracing the more politically correct term “prepper.”

            It appears that the term survivalist has been effectively demonized by the mainstream media and the liberal left. With survivalist themselves falling victim to this latest ideology toward political correctness.

            It has always peeved me off when the mainstream news media lump together the terms white supremacist, militia and survivalist as if the same. When in fact they are very different.

            According to the news media if you are a survivalist you are also a white supremacist, a militia member and may be even a skinhead or Klan member.

            It is an effective tactic that has swayed the opinion of the public, as well as that of survival planners who are now trying to distance themselves from the politically incorrect term survivalist and the stereotype attached to it.

            Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing against the terms prepper or prepping – I’ve use them here on the survivalist blog in the past and will continue to do so. Not for purposes of being politically correct, but in trying to rank for those terms when people enter them in google search.

            Who knows perhaps these new, less offensive labels will attract more people to the preparedness movement. At-least until the media starts a new smear campaign…

            Folks the smear campaign has started

            • What can ya do… I imagin the networks have more interns monitoring this site. Kinda crimps yer enthuz dosen’t it.

            • Let them come and look here. There is a ton of wise folks offering acceptable and safe suggestions on how to live a better life, with less $$ and with less dependence on anyone let alone the government. I have heard nothing here that could even slightly be considered of a dangerous nature. MD is doing a good job! And he does it without generating a lot of emotion in any given direction. Bless him!

            • SurvivorDan says:

              THIS campaign has started.
              They started with all the TV shows denigrating us.

              I heard the mother described as having an ARSENAL!
              A rifle, shotgun and a couple of handguns?
              When THEY come for some of my friends, THEY will really be appalled!

    • bulldogbeau says:

      Ya double whammy! Demonizing guns and preppers.

  9. GeorgeisLearning says:

    If guns were illegal, tell me again how no one can get drugs.
    I could go get some pot , coke or any other drug I wanted with a quick trip down some side street. Whats even crazier is I could go down a street I had never been on and knew no one on and get these items.

    What pisses me off is these kids are dead, these parents are destroyed. I lost a daughter at 13 hit by a car. I know pain. In my case it was an accident. Here these parents have some real anger going on inside. I feel for them. There pain is real and its going to hurt for a long long time.
    Its been 5 years since my daughter passed and I’m sad on a daily basis. I miss her. I feel for these parents.

    We could have dumped millions and millions of dollars into every school in America. Electronic locks on each class room door, wire screen on the windows. One way in one way out. Panic buttons in various locations around the schools, such as you see in the gas stations. Hit the red button and shut all pumps down type of button. Once pushed every class room door auto locks.

    Sure home owners will pay more in taxes. Who gives a crap. Our government is taxing the crap out of us already. We’re sending billions over seas. We have the freakin money, and if not print some .

    Gun control will do nothing. Criminals will still get guns. FFS we send guns to mexican drug lords and terror groups in the middle east. There will always be a black market in America, the government wants it that way.

    Schools are not secure for the same reason we don’t have enough teachers or police. Cheap ass soab’s

    You want security its easy to get.

    Bloomberg photo op teh president must do something, take teh guns we need gun control. blah blah blah

    Bunch of damm jack donkeys.

    Why not an armed guard. The answer would be we cant afford that. Well aint that a bunch of BS.

    sorry for my french ah bs thats red hot American baby.

    • bulldogbeau says:

      George,

      Sorry about your loss. I couldn’t imagine your pain or the pain of the parents/family of this tragedy.

      I agree the schools could be way better secured! I drop my son of at school and I can’t believe the complacency of the school even directly after this horrific incident. Doors still unlocked during the school day, no one watching the entrances. I think a large problem with security at schools isn’t that they aren’t trying to protect our children. Rather, they have government pencil pushers sitting at a table “solving” the issue.

      What needs to be done is a person with Force Protection experience to analyze the vulnerabilities of the school and be able to apply the changes to better provide a safer environment.

      You can never completely remove the risk of a psychotic murdering evil **** from doing these evil things. We can minimalize the risk.

      As far as taking guns from law abiding citizens. We all know that there is a political agenda behind that. Politicians never let a tragedy go to waste. SHAMEFUL

      I myself will be capable of defending myself, my family and friends.

      • riverrider says:

        force protection, haven’t heard that in a while. you’re absolutely correct, 15 minutes on site a good fpo could write up a plan that could be implemented in days for relative pennies. hell, a uniform with 9mm at the road entrance would deter most crap right off the top. intel says the jihadists are already planning on driving fuel laden trucks into a school somewhere, why are they not setting up the checkpoints? park an unused patrol car in front. take some of the donut eaters off of speed trap duty and let them flatfoot the schools. this crap never happens in israel.

        • riverrider,

          They are not looking for real solutions… they are only looking to use the tragedy to further their political agenda.

          A guard at the entrance drive, locked doors at the entrance of the building where anyone entering has to be” buzzed in” and a few teachers that are armed inside the school would be much more effective at preventing this from ever happening again than useless “feel good” gun ban and more useless laws on the books…

          • Amen to that. Any reason to empower themselves by infringing on others rights through the legal system gives them a woody.

        • SurvivorDan says:

          donut eaters? That was my generation! lol
          The young guys eat tofu and carrots and such.

          I agree a priority regarding policing resources should be placed on the young ones.

          • SurvivorDan says:

            By…’young ones”… I mean the youngsters in schools…..
            sheesh, it’s a wonder I can string a cogent sentence together at all…..

    • George, I can’t imagine the pain! No matter the cause, loosing a child is an unimaginable loss.

  10. Huckleberry says:

    I think it’s a bit of a leap to assume they’ll include handguns. I would be more worried if they were throwing around the term “semi-automatic” like the media has been the last couple of days. My assumption would be that they reinstate the assault weapon ban. Not to say that it wouldn’t surpass that at some point. I did mention to the wife that we need to talk about getting an AR-15 or the like. If anyone has any specific recommendations that would be good to get now, in case the assault ban is reinstated, please feel free to share.

    • Huckleberry,

      Semi-automatic = assault weapon in the eyes of the media and politicians. Also many semi-automatic handguns have a capacity over more than 5-10 rounds.

      • SurvivorDan says:

        I recently got several very high high capacity rd magazines for my Glocks.
        I think those will go the way of the Dodo bird soon.
        Extra springs……..

        The gun grabbing is coming. Look up the two massacres in Australia and the ensuing propaganda by the press there and the caving of all the lawmakers just prior to the 1997 “buy back”. Which left most of the good citizens relatively defenseless.
        The Left LOVES a good massacre. And of course little children are the best for PR purposes. Sick…..

    • bulldogbeau says:

      Huckleberry,

      I would suggest as an AR type would be to get and M4 (LAR 15) by Rock River Arms, RRA. Great for the money IMO. They do have these M4 rifles that fire 9mm or 22LR rounds which is a great way to go due to the lower price of 9mm luger and 22LR rounds compared to .223 rounds.

      Look for chrome lined barrel. Don’t concern yourself with all the MODS (add ons) they can be added gradually after you have the rifle.

      If you are looking to order direct to a FFL dealer in your area it’s going to take anywhere from 4 – 16 weeks. Go to a local gun show, there are always RRA rifles there. Print off pricing from other sites before you go to help you haggle price.

      Good Luck.

    • I wouldn’t bet on it. The POTUS has a boner for what he called “cheap handguns” as he refered to them in the presidential debates. To an extent he is correct. People don’t go out and spend $1000 on a Kimber to shoot one person and pitch it in the river.

      Here is the real arguement that needs to be made, something like 1% of all gun crimes are committed with so called “assault weapons.” I think it goes back to the same argument as above. You don’t typically go out and spend $700-2000 on a quality AR15 or Saiga to have it confiscated.

      Another arguement that is popping up a lot is securing your weapons. Now I’m all for securing weapons when not in use, however not everyone has room for a 600lb safe in their house or has the capacity to move it from apartment to apartment. Safe ownership should not be a prerequisite to exercizing your 2A rights. Besides, lots of times, a thief will simply steal the safe anyway.

      As for a suggestion, S&W makes a decent “Sporter” version with no forward assist, carry handle or dust cover that can be had for under 700 at a lot of local gun dealers. You can get a carry handle and or a better upper with those features later. The upper is not considered a “firearm” and can be purchased through the internet and delivered to your home.

    • At the very least Huck… buy a striped lower reciever… or two or three.

    • riverrider says:

      huck, the prez mentioned it already and so did feinstein. she has said she wants hicap handguns included and possession of the mags to be illegal as well with no grandfather clause at all, and wants possessing more than a box of ammo illegal as well. see, it’s all about removing any chance of removing them from power.

  11. riverrider says:

    talking with my source in the know, LE/NG is looking at this as the final straw. many many of them own these same weapons and have no intension of giving them up without a fight. thats all i can say in the clear.

  12. Kind of interesting , former Spetsnaz operative Sonny Puzikas , advised a US anti terrorist commission , that they need to stop focusing on airports , nuclear power plants and other obvious targets because the terrorists know that they are generally a bad investment for attack because of the security and will now shift their attention to ” soft targets ” like schools , old folks homes , shopping centers , etc . ( similar to the Beslan incident )if they follow their pattern . What that means to us is more overreactive legislation and a fascist state , which is what we are already seeing .

  13. I had the sad task of explaining to Monkey exactly what they were talking about – both on the topic of the school shooting and the demands for further gun control. At age 7 his comment was “But Mommy a gun is just like a broom. Its a tool. I can sweep the floor or beat the dog with a broom. If I sweep the floor I get dessert and if I were to try and beat the dog I’d be in trouble.” And if a 7 year old can figure that one out…

    As for banning the sale of guns… Given the number currently in circulation, it is really nothing more than political grandstanding. However, banning ownership just means the ones owned get buried in the backyard and they are brought in illegally from elsewhere. Just look at Canada. The vast majority of Canadians do not own long guns and hand guns have been illegal for decades, and yet murders occur here too and saddly school shootings occur as well.

    I’d rather hear a discussion on how families whose children have a mental illness are going to be given the tools to manage their children after they turn 18 and the parents no longer have a legal right to access their child’s medical information, or find out what type of drugs they have been perscribed, even if the young adult is violent and a danger to others.

    MD – is there a member of the Wolf Pack who can give us some suggestions on dealing with mental illness because the ability to cope after the SHTF and the medications run out could beome a major issue.

  14. I would like the media to find out AND disclose to the public, how many of the victims families have firearms in their households, and their opinions on gun control. Not just the school, theater, and mall shootings, but all crimes involving a firearm. I doubt they’ll ever conduct that kind of poll.

    Just once, let’s get an honest PUBLIC opinion…not just a Democrat politician opinion. (or China’s. I’ve read that they’re demanding gun control in the US also)

  15. I.HAVE.HAD. ENOUGH.

    Would have kept my daughter home from school today and from now on if she hadn’t begged me to let her go.
    After drilling her once again on situational awareness the entire weekend.

    I began my day by calling the Principal of her Elementary School first thing this morning. He had no clue whether the School District had any plans to provide ANY security for the schools. I called the Superintendant that was conviently out of the office for the day, and spoke to his Assistant. She informed me that the schools have twice a year lock down drills and the “Safety Committee” had meeting on Friday. She tried to assure me that the staff and teachers had our childrens best interest at heart.
    Whooptee freakin do lady! Wrong answer.

    I called the Chief of Police who was supposed to be in the “Safety Commitee” meeting Friday but didn’t attend and he has no idea what the School District intends to do.
    I called the Newspaper. I call the Mayor. The County Commisioner. I called the Governor. No kidding. Nothing.
    The District has NEVER done a security assessment. They have not looked at hiring armed officers. They have no cameras. No clue.

    I would gladly give my AR, if it would guarantee that children were safe in their classrooms! It won’t work!

    Teachers need to be allowed concealed carry and a taser at minimum! They don’t want to be shot and killed either.

    We MUST make it too difficult for these monsters to have access to our children.

    If I have to listen to one more person talk about gun control or banning “assault” weapons, I will punch them in the face.

    The next time someone gets killed by a drunk driver I am going to stand in the middle of Main Street and demand everyone stop driving their cars.

    OK Obama, You are going to use all the power in your office to prevent this from happening again? Why don’t get off your behind and hire us some help. Not two years from now. Right now. Today would be a great time to start.
    Don’t give us cryptic messages in your speech to the mourning families. I want to see someone step up to the plate. Tell us if we need to handle this ourselves or if you are going to use your resources to protect our children and educators. Our future.

    S**t has hit the fan in my little town, and I am holding the fan. I am not going to let this get shoved under the desk. Again.

  16. First let me say my thoughts and prayers go out to all affected by this tragedy. Guns do NOT kill people they are just tools. We don’t need gun control we need people control…a better way to keep people with mental illness and or a propensity for violence from getting guns. On average about 40 people are killed by using a firearm each day, about 115 a day from automobiles, heart disease 1600+, cancer 1500+, accidents(unintentional) 410+, Guns are used in self defense 1000+ times a day. So again…people control not gun control!!! You notice they (gun control fanatics) never mention the +/- 2 million times a year guns are used in self defense…hmmm what would that equate to in lives saved??? Just sayin! Here is your top 10 according to the CDC.
    Number of deaths for leading causes of death
    Heart disease: 599,413
    Cancer: 567,628
    Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 137,353
    Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,842
    Accidents (unintentional injuries): 118,021
    Alzheimer’s disease: 79,003
    Diabetes: 68,705
    Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,692
    Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,935
    Intentional self-harm (suicide): 36,909

  17. Just read this…

    “Gun control supporter New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is calling on the president to circumvent Congress and enact gun control action by executive order.”

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/white-house-highlights-obstacles-taking-action-guns-205115017–politics.html

    • M.D.- that’s exactly what I’ve been expecting, an executive order.

      Bloomberg’s been all over the news, talking about the “34 deaths from handguns in America each day”. 34 is NOT a lot…though I’m guessing Bloomberg is incorrect about that figure. How many are killed by drivers under the influence of drugs or alcohol? How many by prescriptions drugs, because of over-prescribing, or doctor or pharmacy error? How many deaths from crimes NOT involving a firearm?
      Bloomberg talks about the 34 “victims” he spoke with, but some of these victims are from NYC, a city with about the strictest gun laws in the country. It seems only the rich and famous have gun permits in NYC. How does Bloomberg figure stricter gun laws would stop these crimes?

      BTW, even if you have a carry conceal permit in New York State (they are distributed by county), you cannot enter NYC with your handgun.

      • The Last American says:

        Just got the most recent American Rifleman today and they have a big article on Bloomberg. The guy seems to have a very high opinion of himself.

  18. So my British co-teacher came into my classroom today and wanted to discuss the ‘problem’ with America and guns. So I listened to his rant which concluded that he would never go to America. I had a few things to say after that.

    First, the guy use to live and work in Thailand and loves the place. Thailand ranks 3rd in the world with a little over 20,000 gun related deaths per year. That is double what Ameica has.

    Second, America is 313,000 million people compared to Thailand’s 65 million. So Thailand is actually more dangerous than America.

    Third, he mentioned UK doesn’t have guns. Yet the UK ranks #1 in the world in violent crimes.

    The problem isn’t the guns it’s the mental health of these individuals. I used to sell guns at a Big 5 sporting goods store. All we needed was a driver’s liscense and a background check. Nobody knows if the guy is crazy. Nobody knows the intentions of these people buying guns. A gun isn’t evil. The people killing with them are evil. My two cents.