Monday Miscellany

by M.D. Creekmore on December 16, 2013 · 56 comments

1. Rethinking The Golden Horde Theory : “Depending on how things shake out, recent events suggest that the masses will sit in front of their homes and wait for the government to tell them what to do. If they don’t hear anything from the government, they’ll sit and wait for the power to come back on, hoping and praying. After several days– and as the reality of their situation and panic begins to set in– the roads will already be clogged and impassable. The big cities will have become a death trap and for the vast majority of people: Nobody will be getting in or getting out.”

2. This Map Shows The Dominant Religious Group In Every US County : “We recently came across this map, based on the 2010 census data, of the largest religious groups in each county of the U.S.”

3. Ham Radio 101: Getting Started Without a License : “There’s plenty of fun to be had with ham radio even if you don’t have a license.”

4. BATFE Implicated in More Rogue Operations : Over the course of the last week, numerous media outlets have reported on yet another dubious BATFE operation–this one lowering the bar to a new, disturbing level.

5. Expert Warns Southern California Isn’t Ready For Major Quake : “A leading earthquake expert has issued a dire warning to Californians about the expected impact of a major disruption to the San Andreas fault line.”

6. Camden, New Jersey: One Of Hundreds Of U.S. Cities That Are Turning Into Rotting, Decaying Hellholes : “All over America, formerly prosperous communities are being transformed into crime-infested wastelands of poverty and despair. Of course the most famous example of this is Detroit. At one time, Detroit was the greatest manufacturing city that the world had ever seen and it had the highest per capita income in the entire country. But now it has become a rotting, decaying hellhole that the rest of the planet laughs at. And of course Detroit is far from alone. There are hundreds of other U.S. cities that are suffering a similar fate.”

7. NSA officials consider Edward Snowden amnesty in return for documents : National Security Agency officials are considering a controversial amnesty that would return Edward Snowden to the United States, in exchange for the extensive document trove the whistleblower took from the agency.” If they are considering this can you imagine what revelations are in those documents…


Mike December 16, 2013 at 8:59 am

#7 If you were Edward Snowden, would you believe the U.S. Government if it were to offer you amnesty?

Cain December 16, 2013 at 9:22 am

There is no coming back for Snowden. Life behind bars or death are no. 1 and 2 on the list for him if he sets foot back on US soil. This administration does not take lightly to those that embarrass them.

M.D. Creekmore December 16, 2013 at 10:02 am


Now come on… you know that the federal government and its representatives never lie or break their promises… If you like the health insurance that you have now you can keep it… oh sorry, I got a little sidetracked…

Mike December 16, 2013 at 2:46 pm

Well, speaking of sidetracked.

I’m Canadian. I haven’t seen a doctor in 10 years. Doctors are only for people to get B.S. diagnosis doctors notes of afflictions they don’t have to live on pogey their entire lives.

The rest of us who actually work and pay 2/3 of our money in taxes can’t afford to sit in a waiting room for 10 hours unless we are actually dying.

patientmomma December 16, 2013 at 7:36 pm

If Obamacare really gets implemented, USA will be worse off than Canada. There are reports that 40% of medical professionals are planning to retire, go into other professions or become country preppers.

worrisome December 16, 2013 at 8:29 pm

patient momma…………they have a while to keep working on decisions. The docs are seeing just the front end of it at this time and still have the choice NOT to take patients coming in from the exchanges. Next year, when the small and large employer group plans get dumped, their financial state will be much more dire. As groups come off the well funded employer plans and into these high deductible plans, the docs won’t have the the choice to not see exchange patients because the group will get too big. And then the docs are going to notice that their billings are going to get behind, because the patients can’t afford to fund $6300 in deductibles per person and there in the financial shoe will not only pinch but possibly break. What is going to happen is that lower income folks, those drawing the subsidies will have no possible way to meet their portions of these plans. The docs will go broke………………and all of us are going to suffer.

Nebraska Woman December 17, 2013 at 7:57 am

+100, worrisome. My doctor agrees with you.

Becky December 17, 2013 at 3:41 pm

We had the same doc for 20 yrs, last time we were there he and I had a discussion on this matter–exchanges. He said they were not sure if they were going to participate, I told him and the other doc to run the other way!!! They were looking at med-i-cal which pays pennies for the amount billed and allowed. We speak to both of these doc’s like the are family. Better to keep them from making costly errors to their budgets, as they are a general practice and not a specialty.

Exile1981 December 17, 2013 at 11:48 am

I live in a small rural town about we are 50km in either direction to a hospital. One of those hospitals is itself only 50km from a major city, the other is 150km from the city. the one closer to the city we no longer use. The wait lines have gone from 2-3 hours to 10-12 ever since the city waiting rooms with there even longer lines started suggesting to people they should drive to the rural hospital if they want faster service.

graybles December 16, 2013 at 10:11 am

No. All of us here know not to trust what the guv’mint says, and he knows much more than most. I would hope he wouldn’t stoop to their bargaining. I have been entertained by this whole thing, I don’t want it to stop! More leaks!

Larry December 16, 2013 at 1:57 pm

I read they were “floating” the idea…I hope for his sake he is a strong swimmer.

Donna in MN December 16, 2013 at 2:43 pm

Snowden can’t come back, no amnesty, gov’t officials said after hearing what an NSA official said. He is not the government.

N2Y December 16, 2013 at 9:35 am

Not worried about the hoards. The danger will be starving or criminals in our own community. Plus if I am wrong, we live in a small town that isn’t a travel lane. No one goes through here to get anywhere unless they have a boat.

As for Snowden, the moment he sought asylum with Cuba and Russia he became a traitor. If he wasn’t already working for them before.

M.D. Creekmore December 16, 2013 at 9:59 am


On Snowden what would you have done – stayed in the U.S. and spent life in prison? Do you think that the fact that he disclosed (we all already knew) what the U.S. government was doing (illegally and unconstitutionally spying on U.S. citizens makes him a traitor? Perhaps he is to the U.S. government, but is not to the American people – America is us not the federal government, we are supposed to rule them and they are supposed to represent us, but they have turned it around and now rule us at every step of our lives and not longer represent the American people, but their own greed and lust for power…

graybles December 16, 2013 at 10:25 am

N2Y you crazy. American guv’mint is the traitor in this picture. Don’t trust them so much. They obviously don’t trust us.

N2Y December 16, 2013 at 2:55 pm

Yes, he should spend his life in jail. That would make him a hero and a true believer in the righteousness of his actions. He broke his security clearance and took unknown amounts of documents with him. Of course he paid for his passage through Cuba, and asylum in Russia with those papers. True patriots historically faced huge risk to life and liberty to do the right thing and sometimes they decided it was worth it and did it anyway. I am a true believer that you can do anything you want in this world as long as you are prepared and willing to take responsibility and the consequences. Those consequences must be in place and enforced or all of our national security is in jeapordy. I don’t trust our Government, but I trust an I individual who makes those decisions without responsibility even more. I make decisions in my life based on this belief. I am willing to go to jail to defend certain rights I believe I have. I am willing to kill someone who will take from me and mine, KNOWING that I may be accountable for those actions. If there are no consequences then there is no risk and we face total anarchy. If Snowden was right then he should have faced his accusers instead of running to our enemies with top secret papers.

Docj December 16, 2013 at 3:21 pm

Good response. A whistleblower but gov got caught with hands in the cookie jar which in the Gov’s eyes means he is a traitor. A matter of perspective.

bctruck December 16, 2013 at 7:30 pm

in my eyes,snowdens a hero. he knew he would never be able to come back to this country and he did the right thing. evil can only prevail,when good men do nothing.snowden did something and set the corrupt government back a couple of years. yes! i think he is a hero!!

worrisome December 16, 2013 at 8:24 pm

Considering what happens to whistleblowers in this country now, Snowden made a different fork in the road. This is not one that can easily be judged by those of us that don’t have that kind of information at hand. That is a lot of power. His path preserved the knowledge………….but what I don’t get is why it is being leaked just a little at a time………..does he think that is going to make him safer? To me, it seems like it just makes him a bigger target………………

axelsteve December 17, 2013 at 9:25 pm

Yesterday on the radio I hears a guy call Snowden a traiter and he said that he took an oath. The radio guy said that the government took an oath to defend the constitution and they broke that oath.

Nebraska Woman December 16, 2013 at 9:36 am

Off topic MD, sorry, but go to and click on the “Hallelujah Chorus.” There are 4 different versions of the famed chorale, and #4 was my favorite. Guaranteed it will bring a smile.

1. From what I hear from the guys in the coffee shop, the major cities in my state will have a ring of military-like police keeping people in. They claim their sources are people they know that are in the know.
2. I guess I am an “other.”
5. I sincerely feel that no one will be ready for that major quake. The fault lines in Missouri are ready to go, according to some “experts” whomever they may be, and that quake will be felt here. If it’s a biggie, the Missouri River (I grew up on its banks) will be altered forever and will destroy a major part of the midwest.
6. Why all the concern about these rotting cities when I see small towns decaying all around me? We have 8 houses in our small town (pop 970) which need to be torn down, but there’s no money. Storefronts are rotting and empty downtown. One actually fell down the other day; too much excitement for our small community! Bricks all over the place and only one city worker to scoop it all up.
but pretty soon there were some farmers with equipment and it was cleaned pretty quickly. Our streets need major repairs. But we do not have a crime/drug problem here, and folks are pretty decent. Big cities deserve what they get after voting in mostly Democratic party line people who spent money with a flagrant disreguard for the future and catered to people who didn’t want to work.

There is an excellent article today on paying your taxes on survivalblog. I do not use withholding and prefer to send my money in quarterly. Let me say it’s a big chunk of my income. In two income families it is especially interesting to see how much of your own money you really get to keep and spend on your own family.

Cheers everyone! Have a great week.

bctruck December 16, 2013 at 7:32 pm

for 23 years, i payed quarterly. i know your pain.

Ghost December 16, 2013 at 10:40 am

100 years ago you could go to sleep in any small town in America without locking your doors. Priests/school teachers were not molesting the children entrusted to them. You could conduct business with a handshake. Your money was either made out of silver or backed by the gold in Ft. Knox. Congress actually worried about our “National Debt”. Homosexuals were involved in, “a love that dare not say it’s name”. Christmas and Easter was about Christ. Dad earned enough at his job that Mom could stay at home and raise the kids right.

The Socialism which has infiltrated our Country, our Culture, our Economy, and our Politics has corrupted our nation and turned not just Camden NJ into a “stinking hell hole”, but a great part of our entire way of life as well.

Want proof, Obama was elected twice. We were not invaded by Communists, WE ELECTED ONE AS PRESIDENT, (without a shot being fired)

PGCPrepper December 16, 2013 at 2:40 pm

A few years ago some MSM “reporter” was interviewing a “lady” on the street in some desolate neighborhood in “pick a city” about the crack houses on her block and I specifically remember her saying something like there’s no wonder we have a problem, look at all the trash and the empty lots and this and that. Then she proclaimed, “Someone ought’n to do something”. I was like, go clean up your street yourselves. Pick up the trash at least…as a start.

Someone posted somewhere here or elsewhere about “in the day” when someone in the country butchered a beef, neighbors came and assisted and it was reciprocated. I remember neighbors helping others without thinking of dependency from any level of G mostly, except social security or whatever. When I lived in the city of Richmond, I could always tell who the liberal neighbors were before they tossed up their Obama signs on his first election. They always stepped over trash on the way to their front door whereas the rest of us would actually bend over and pick it up if in our lawn or a neighbor’s. I guess they expected the city to “do something”. LOL.

Bam Bam December 16, 2013 at 2:56 pm


I have a way to get rid of crack houses in one’s neighborhood–just get everyone from the local churches to circle the house and sing gospel songs 24/7.

PGCPrepper December 16, 2013 at 3:12 pm


I don’t know. I suspect some of my Southern Baptists brethren be gettin’ their Holy Ghost on on Sunday and doing all sorts of shady things on Monday..but I ain’t judgin’.

So, to some, singing gospel songs might be another reason to just dance around and shout “praise the Lord” as opposed to actually doing anything productive. The Lord knows those whom do the deeds though.

DG December 22, 2013 at 9:47 pm

Although your assessment of the problem is fairly good, your thoughts of the cause are totally off.

take income, why can’t a single worker bring home enough to support a family. If you look at the minimum wage over the last 30 years if it had kept up with inflation the minimum wage would be over $20 per hour. Productivity has steadily been increasing, but wages have been stagnant. All the increased profits have gone to CEOs and the 1%. (this actually has a multitude of causes). When two people have to work to put a roof over their heads and food on the table who raises the kids?

Look at the National Debt. The last President with a balance budget was Clinton. Since then we’ve had unpaid for wars, tax cuts for the rich, and a recession caused by Wall Street GREED. Taxes as a percentage of Gross Domestic Product were at a 50 year low a couple years ago. When taxes are low and spending is high the result is deficits.

Christmas and Easter have been run over by Capitalism and Greed, not socialism.

Politicians of both parties are just puppets of the 1% who finance their campaigns. Greed once again in action.

We have to get back to the teachings of Christ. Love your neighbor. Remember what Christ said about taxes, and the parable about a rich man getting into heaven. We have to take back our country from the 1%.

rjarena December 16, 2013 at 11:19 am

I have some news for you, Camden, like Detroit has been a cesspool for decades. Law enforcement is using high tech federally paid for systems to monitor every license plate, gun shot monitoring, cameras on every corner, and even a high tech portable scanning system that can “see” weapons on persons even at night, and all of this to “control” the crime, but really as a test for any city.They do not want to deal with the real issues, gangs and drugs, which is really the same thing.
As to the hordes, I agree that they will be looking for their handouts, just like those in New Orleans, ankle deep in water asking to be rescued. I think one of two things will happen, they will get federal help, but only enough to further enslave them, or help will not arrive ant they will attack each other. I do not see a large group or horde migrating through out the countryside, for the most part they can not walk, don’t have even the most basic gear to do so, and will be too busy begging for help.

Bam Bam December 16, 2013 at 12:46 pm

Off topic again but . . . . But the journal Recombinomics just released a report. Here’s the final paragraph.


Sequences from the more recent cases and environmental sites have been withheld, raising concerns that sequences from the two cases treated at Tuen Mun are very closely related. Release of these sequences, which likely contain H9N2 internal genes related to prior isolates from Hong Kong and Guangdong Province, would be useful.

Mike December 16, 2013 at 1:00 pm

1. I believe the Golden Horde will be a combination of the horde and the Golden Huddle with many people acting like an ostrich for a period of time until they realize their rear end is too exposed before they react.

3. Learning to use an amateur radio is a great idea. This provides an alternate method of communication and can be a lot of fun, in addition to being educational for those interested in DFing (Direction Finding). I had my FCC First Class with Radar endorsement back in the 1970’s, but have never kept it current. Yes, by law you need to have a license to operate one, except in an emergency situation; people will likely consider a SHTF event as an emergency and disregard ‘regulations.’ IMHO, it is better to listen than to speak; the old adage, “It is better to remain silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.” Additionally, if you are just listening, you do not disclose your location by transmitting. Even though the Morse Code requirement has been removed, there are still a lot of ditty-boppers out there and learning Morse would be prudent to hone your ‘listening’ skills.

5. “Imagine America Without Los Angeles” – I moved out of there 26 years ago and have not looked back, so this is not a hard thing to imagine. Too much ‘Life in the fast lane’, and ‘do unto others before they do unto you’ attitudes out there was just one reason I left.

Pineslayer December 16, 2013 at 1:57 pm

#2, Catholics and Southern Baptists are about even. This hasn’t been discussed, as far as I have seen, but is it possible that those 2 groups might square off at some point? The reason I make this point is that some friends from Kentucky are S. Baptists and they told me about their belief that Catholics are going to bring about the end of times. To be clear, they were taught this in church from a young age. Due to the S.B.’s belief that since the Catholic’s are always changing the rules about worship/dogma/rules. Other countries have ethnic or religious cleansing, is it possible here? If things get bad enough, would finger pointing lead to “cleansing”?
Seems far-fetched, but stranger things have happened.

Larry December 16, 2013 at 2:13 pm

I always thought it would be the born again Christians squaring off with the jews, only because even tho they play nice together, jews dont worship Jesus..yet born Again Christians give them a pass .. Not instigating anything.. just my observation.. and probably wrong.

Bam Bam December 16, 2013 at 3:00 pm


I don’t think you are going to see Baptist vs. Catholic. I was born Catholic, attended a Southern Baptist church for years and then married a Catholic man and so went back to Catholicism. The man on the street has a hard time even articulating the differences in theology between Catholics and Protestants. I think there are bigger fish to fry.

Ghost December 16, 2013 at 3:41 pm

Theology, my field.
Many within the group of Protestants finger the Roman Catholics, i.e. The Pope as the dreaded “ANTI-CHRIST” this dates back when the Roman church was in fact run by some pretty cruddy guys. (Crazy?)
To make a very complicated subject plain:
#1. Rome does not like Protestants and is so-so on Jews.
#2.Southern Baptist (dispensational) does not like Catholics, thinks The Jews are still God’s chosen people.
#3. Reformed Protestants, (Presbyterians, Reformed Baptists, some Southern Baptists) not too keen on Catholic Theology or Dispensational theology either.
Views “The Faithful”, going all the way back to Abraham, to those of us to profess Christ today, as God’s true chosen or “The Elect”. This was the Roman Catholic view for the first 1,000 years until biblical corruption occurred. It is my humble opinion that Scripture/History supports this view.

I also believe that there are certain groups that are certain to go to hell. White Sox fans, Democrats, anyone in a Trade Union, my Mother-in-law, and Air Conditioning repairmen.

Nebraska Woman December 16, 2013 at 5:52 pm

And according to Penrod, progressive horses and their riders…

bctruck December 16, 2013 at 7:37 pm

religion?????? oh no yew dit int!!!

axelsteve December 16, 2013 at 10:23 pm

Part of the biblical corruption in the Catholic church began in 315. The Nicean council came up with the idea of Papal infalability.It did not go over well with the bishops at the time.

Rider of Rohan December 16, 2013 at 10:59 pm

Alright, religion! I just got to get in on this. My view from the Missionary Baptist Association of America.
1. Jews are God’s chosen people, and I love Israel.
2. I don’t know much about the Catholic Church, but I like the Catholics I’ve met and interacted with. And I believe them to be as likely to be in Heaven as most in my own church.
3. Too much talk and not enough action in religion today, including my own church. I’m helping the Salvation Army this Christmas, they are my favs.
4. Salvation is between a man/woman and Jesus Christ, it’s my job to get them in a local church to help spread the message. And help the poor and down-trodden.
5. I’ve probably said enough to get me in trouble with someone, so I’ll shut up now.

But thanks for listening and allowing me to speak my views.

j.r. guerra in s. tx. December 17, 2013 at 8:07 am

The religion I worry about suffering is the LDS church. Not because of religious dogma or beliefs, but because of the wide spread knowledge that the LDS faith strongly encourages their members being prepared for emergencies. I think that making yourself known that you follow that faith may end up biting you in the end. Their church’s and store houses may become targets for looters who know where they are.

Not knocking LDS or any other faith. Fwiw, I’m Catholic Nearly all religions advocate being good to others, good parents and a model to their community. How you get there – your business, not mine. We fight over the details of various religions, but in truth, we have quite a bit in common. We forget about that.

Nebraska Woman December 17, 2013 at 8:09 am

If you are in trouble, ROR, so am I, because your list sounds about like mine. I might add that churches today (at least PCUSA) seem more concerned with adapting to the world instead of preaching the gospel.
I did, however, hear a good sermon Sunday.
The gist was that Christ never did leave Christmas; if you feel that he needs to be “added back into the mix,” then you had better look to your own soul. I like this minister. He packs 24/7.

Ghost December 17, 2013 at 11:06 am

You say that you “Love Israel” and I commend you for that Rider. My question is, “Who is Israel?”. (see for the answer. Gal: 3: 5-9 and Gal 3:28)

God bless you for your work with the Salvation Army, you’re 100%, they are a group greatly used by The Master.

patientmomma December 16, 2013 at 7:51 pm

A friend forwarded the link to a youtube video….
It is a long video, about 30 minutes and the woman in the video covers a lot of territory, but she implicates the Pope and Jesuits as part of TPTB along with the international bank of settlements. Very thought provoking.

ghost December 16, 2013 at 9:40 pm

Martin Luther also thought that the Pope was the antichrist. That doesn’t make him right/wrong, only interesting. Luther also wrote some pretty anti-Semitic things as well.

Other than Christ, my DW, and the infield of the 1969 Cubs, nobody is perfect.

axelsteve December 16, 2013 at 10:26 pm

Luther kinda became what he opposed later in life. He label some folks heretics and burned them at the stake. Herees the new boss ,same as the old boss.

Ghost December 17, 2013 at 11:09 am

Yup axelsteve, history is filled with imperfect sinners. To be fair however, let’s also take into account all of the good Luther’s movement is doing today too.

Mike December 17, 2013 at 1:32 pm

On the point of religion, specifically Christianity… A while back I attended a local March for Jesus, at the event the one thing that stuck with me most was when the person on stage ran a little test. He asked everyone on the count of three to yell out what denomination the were from…. 1, 2, 3 it was a huge loud noise of garbled words. Then he asked again, on the count of three who do you worship… 1, 2, 3 in unison “JESUS” was clearly and overwhelming heard.
My point is, there is more segregation in Christianity than most any other religion.

Ghost December 17, 2013 at 3:12 pm

As you know, the Christian Faith has a historical foundation as it’s base. Thus due to the Faith’s age, and the fact that the original scriptures were written in languages not spoken anymore, many errors have filtered in. Most heresy comes from those who do not know how to study/translate the Bible correctly, (or at all) and have little knowledge of what the early Church taught/believed.

Nebraska Woman December 17, 2013 at 4:47 pm

Ghost, what translation do you use? I use ESV because of the wonderful commentaries.

Larry December 16, 2013 at 2:04 pm

Looking at #2, I think those numbers are unreliable. people tend to conform when they are faced with their hour of need.. all of the sudden the formerly Happy heathen has been a life long card carrying Mormon when he runs out of worldly options.

rjarena December 16, 2013 at 2:17 pm

Can we imagine America without L.A.? I would like to. Personally I have never,ever understood the lure of L.A., I hear a lot of people say ” the weather is great”, but I like a change in seasons, I lived in Florida for a time, and green warm Christmas, is not so nice, same thing in Phoenix, right now there is dry puffy snow outside and no Hollyweird folks running around, and no one telling me that I am evil because I own firearms.

axelsteve December 16, 2013 at 10:27 pm

The weather is great in la. If you can see it through the smog that is.

Rider of Rohan December 16, 2013 at 10:45 pm

We sure do need a like button.

Hunker-Down December 16, 2013 at 6:28 pm

#1). The sheeple will self destruct by means of empty stomachs and foot blisters. They wont make it out to our area.
The “horde” IMHO will be a specialized group made up of inner city gangs with politically savvy leadership, that have already exterminated their competition. They have already killed whomever necessary to get food and fuel for motorcycles. By the time they make it to our area they will be self-trained combat veterans. My long range tools can penetrate their bike engine and short range tools have a tendency to modestly scatter. Too bad I cant hit anything that moves.

#2). That map is totally wrong. There are not enough individuals that daily live ALL the 10 Commandments to put any color on it.

#3). Cant afford the equipment and don’t have the skill. But we do have hope, maybe next summer if the horde doesn’t form.

#4). BATFE. So, they act like a taxpayer funded agency. Nothing new here, just move along.

#6). Rotting Cities…My home town, in another state, has opted to reduce the police force due to declining property tax income. They have expanded the habitat code enforcement department from 2 to 5 full time inspectors. Trimmed lawns are more important than capturing drive-by shooters. Cowards.

#7). NSA Officials. Do those dummies really think Russia didn’t get everything Snowden had before giving him asylum?

Tolik December 16, 2013 at 9:28 pm

7. Dont do it !!!!! stay in Mr. Putins land , find yourself a good Russian woman , and make money with your skills comrade .

riverrider December 17, 2013 at 2:34 pm

tru that ! its a trap. besides, from what i’ve seen he didn’t give any thing “secret” away. everything so far has been in open sources for years. sixty minutes even had the nsa phone tapping on a show 3 years ago. they showed how nsa was capturing every out going call at the seven nodes that transmit calls overseas. snowden just gave them the proof of what everybody knew already.

NotParanoidJustCurious December 19, 2013 at 1:59 pm

#7 Suuuuuuuuuuuuuure… History is replete with scenarios that illustrate how arrangements of this nature end up. As an example, look at the outcome of John Huss at the hands of the Council of Constance in 1415 — despite a safe-conduct guarantee.

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