Monday : Questions and Answers With The Wolf Pack

Question from Mike S

I live in Florida, and unfortunately for me Joel M. Skousen in his book “Strategic Relocation North American Guide to Safe Places” lists Florida as the worst state in the U.S. for a retreat location. My question is this, do you think it is worth the effort of moving my family to another location?

Our leader here at, Mr. M.D. Creekmore suggests folks living in the eastern U.S. consider relocation to what he calls the “Redoubt of the East” (Located inside the Tennessee Cumberland Plateau) and James Wesley, Rawles is begging folks to move to what he calls the American Redoubt…

Do you think it is worth the effort to move? Which area is best the “Redoubt of the East” or the “American Redoubt”?

BTW I’m self-employed and can move my job with me so that isn’t an issue… Thank you all for your help…

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  1. Rodger Ramjet says:

    Move. If you love your family, move to a place you can protect and care for them. You have a requirement put on you by God to protect and care for your family and you can’t do it in a place like Florida.

    • axelsteve says:

      Well I live in Komradfornia. And just cause some clown writes a book it does not mean that you have do something.I remember in the good book it states,books and books and books. There is no end to them or something like that. If a book told you buy a fire engine and helicopter and 1000 acres in Idaho would you do it?

    • I live in Fla and think it’s as safe as any other state. The further north you go the better . Remember you’ll never freeze to death in any part of Fla, the land of sunshine .There are lots of watering holes,long growing seasons lots of wooded lands . Just stay away from the cities.

  2. Before you decide to relocate, please do your homework. See if you can find the latest FEMA map showing presidential disaster declarations. This will tell you which areas have been hit with the most big natural disasters and which haven’t. The map I have shows which areas had disaster declarations from 1964 to 2007 with flooding being the most common cause of high dollar devastation (I found the map on page 9 of the Disaster Survivor’s Guide by D. Harmer and E. Williams, pub 2010, but you may be able to find it on the FEMA website too if you are willing to search for it). Once you have narrowed down your search to those areas least prone to natural disasters, you may want to consider things like a state’s taxes, gun laws, cost of living, job availability and price of real estate (you can find this info on the internet if you are willing to search and any good librarian can help you with this). That’s how my husband and I decided Nevada was our best choice of states for retirement living.

    • john p foley says:

      I just saw a federal declaration of disaster area map on one of the other sites I read and it showed more than 1000 counties that were declared disaster areas the only area in the American redout that was not was close to the Canadian border

      • You want to look at a map that shows frequency of large natural disasters. Any location can have one or two in a century, but you want to avoid those areas that seem to have several every 20 years or more often. Coastal regions and areas in Tornado Alley seem to get the worst of Mother Nature’s surprises.

  3. My thought would also be to move from Florida, but if your family has lived there all their lives, you may be in for a BIG SHOCK when it comes to weather.

    I was born and raised in Northern California. It is not balmy So. California, but average winter temps are in the 40’s and 50’s, with some 30’s and a week or two in the 20’s. I moved to VA for 6-1/2 years and it became a nightmare for me. The first autumn, all I could think about was how beautiful the trees were. Autumn 3-6 became – it’s gonna be %$#@!*& (insert expletive of your choice) cold!

    You will need entirely new wardrobes for your family before winter sets in. Your kids will probably enjoy the cold and snow, but will your wife? Maybe. I had a friend who had lived in Florida his whole life and moved to Buffalo, NY – and his wife loved it.

    Just make an informed choice, and try to get as much info as you can before making a big move.

    • JeffintheWest says:

      “it’s not the snow I hate; it’s the slush.” But the thrust of the comment is correct — big winter shock if you’re not used to it. I was raised in the desert which actually worked out okay — humidity bothers me, but it gets darn hot and darn cold in the desert which helps me through the colder parts of the year.

      • axelsteve says:

        Jeff. A good friend of mine moved to the desert about 20 years ago. He was kinda a clutze growing up and broke many bones. The dry air is good for him.

  4. Brad in South FL says:

    I also live in south Florida! It is not the greatest place to be but unfortunately some of us are unable to move! I have worked in law enforcement for 20 years and need 5 more to retire! I will be taking my money in a lump done so I won’t have to rely on a monthly pension check! Not that I don’t trust the state with my money….I don’t trust the state at all! Hopefully the balloon doesn’t go up before then but I plan to leave FL! I do have a pretty good network of friends that I trust and think alike!

    Stay safe all!!!

  5. My DH also says to consider a few more things.

    Does your car have a heater – he says some made in Florida do not. You will have to fill your radiator with anti-freeze before winter.

    Do you and your wife know how to drive in snow and ice? There are weather conditions you will have never experienced – freezing rain and ice storms come to mind.

    Get some practice lighting fires – your woodstove might be your main heat source in the winter and when you wake up, and climb out of the covers and the house is freezing, it can be mighty frustrating trying to start a fire in a woodstove that seems determined to not to light.

    You might be buying wood by the cord. Know the mesurements of a cord 4’x4’x8′ or people might take advantage of you. You might be cutting and splitting your own wood. Do you know how to do that and do you have the tools.

    If you do decide to move, I can promise you there wil be some real surprises. A good sense of humor will be required – for both of you.

  6. Moving ones family can be a daunting and spiritually ‘moving’ experience, and no matter where you move to, there will always be some form of potential natural disaster. Being in Florida you are subjected to hurricanes, moving to either ‘redoubt’ will be subjected to winter storms, wildfires, and even earthquakes.

    I believe the only advantage of moving out of Florida would be to relocate to an area that is less populated, as the larger populated areas will have the majority of the ‘roaming hordes’ aka zombies or sheeple that have not made any, or very little preparations to sustain themselves for any extended period, ultimately resorting in taking whatever they can from whomever they can in order to stay alive as best they can for ‘their’ family.

  7. riverrider says:

    if i were you, i’d move. first, hurricanes. post shtf fema won’t be around, nor insurance….second, if its real shtf, hoards of haitian and cuba refugees will stream in. are you prepared for that. additionally, some prominent mexican leaders want to re-colonize the lands they lost, not to mention the drug cartels. loads of homeless/hungry americans people will stream south looking for food and warmth…..yeah, fla is nice now, but post shtf not so much. good luck whatever you decide.

  8. If I was young with a young family,I would move from anywhere as heavily populated as Florida to a state that had more to offer in terms of freedom to build,grow,raise animals,educate your children,as well a state that was far less intrusive on your personal liberties. My choice,if I was young and had a second chance as to where I wanted to replant my life,would be north Arkansas.

    • Just checked Wikipedia for demo graphics and population density. Florida is the 8th most densely populate state in America. There is no way they are taking into account the massive population of illegals that inhabit the state. You might be abke to find a sparsely populated area in fla but the figure is 365 people per square mile. That’s a lot of hungry potential threats should the S hit the fan. You would also want to take into account the percentage of a states population that already live below the poverty line and or depend on the government programs for food and housing.

  9. Tinfoil Hat says:

    Move. I took my brand new wife west from Southeastern Coastal Virginia west, never looked back, and have no regrets whatsoever

  10. Whoooo, there Tex. What’s so wrong with Florida? I would never live in Miami but Florida is a big state. There are plenty of sparsely populated areas–at least once you get out of North Cuba. I can ride my bike and see miles upon miles of crops. I guess the author of the anti-Florida book didn’t read that agriculture is one of Florida’s largest industries. I think it’s a bonus that we can garden year round–well, except for July and August. I would hate to deal with snow and long winters.

    If we do have an event, Florida will depopulate very quickly–given the aging population.

    What specific reasons did the author give for telling you to get out of Florida? Personally, I wouldn’t spend too much time listening to someone who says you won’t survive unless you buy a fire engine.

    • Hehehe!!! Yep,thats what did it for me. The “buy a fire engine” advice just made me stop reading that book and use it to protect my table from ugly coffee cup marks.

      • Bam Bam & BC,
        Are you sure you’re talking about Joel Skousen’s book? The fire engine I think was James Rawles. I haven’t read the Skousen book in a while, but it seems to me he did some reasonable analysis of each region, and came up with what would seem at least on the surface, logical conclusions.

    • Hunker-Down says:

      Bam Bam,

      A few years ago we drove from Haines City to Miami, heading to the Everglades. About 1/2 way, in cattle country, we saw 2 cowboys on horseback, working a heard of wild cattle. There were no houses in sight, and in some sections no electric poles along the road.

      I live in Wisconsin. Snow sucks. I would love to live in a place where the next neighbor was 200 acres away, where we could garden all 12 months of the year, and know our neighbors were honest and self sufficient.

      • Bam Bam, If we ever hear of that special place, I will let you know-smile. Our neighbors are almost 200 acres away and they are decent folk- but our gardening season is short-like yours !!
        oh and lets add where taxes are low !!!! Arlene

  11. Winomega says:

    Moving is a big step, and you must weigh the advantages and disadvantages.

    Just about the biggest question is if you will ever regret not living in Florida if S does not HTF.

    The advantages of Florida is that it never gets cold and there is a huge area of alligator-filled wilderness. Plus you’re not that far from the coast if you want to have a bug-out boat.

  12. JP in MT says:

    I moved. When I had the opportunity to move to Montana, I jumped on it. But, I will tell you a few of the mistakes people make when they move here.

    1. Debt. Montana is known for it’s open spaces and beautiful vistas, not it’s economic opportunity. It’s called “Poverty with a view”. If you move you need to be able to support yourself for a year plus without work or government assistance. If you bring “big city” debt with you, you will be hurting! Most jobs are in the $20-30,000 per year range. Anything bigger will be due to connections made before you get here. Don’t count on them!

    2. Social. We only have 6 “major” population centers. The largest is about 100,000 people and the last is just over 30,000. So if you and your family crave “big city social life”, understand it’s just not here. We plan on traveling over 150 miles if there’s something I want and it’s not available locally. Many times I have to travel out of state.

    3. Population density. Understand we are the 4th largest state in land mass and just broke 1,000,000 people total. There is a lot of distance between people.

    4. Technology. Technologically speaking, we are a “third world state that happens to speak English”. Think of it from the providers standpoint – I want to have access to millions of people; do I set up in Denver (2.7 million) or Butte (33,000)? When Denver has almost 3 times to population of the entire state, you can see why there are really 2 cellular providers and 1 cable company. If you don’t like their coverage and/or price you do without.

    I looked at all this stuff as we started prepping and decided they were all positives for preppers. In a collapse situation, we won’t have anyone coming to our rescue any time soon (or to mess with our recovery). We learn to do without many of the conveniences that most folks take for granted, so when they go away, our lifestyle changes little. We are not a “destination location” so we won’t have a lot of people just dropping by. Those that have grown dependent upon government services will have to move or change, because they just won’t be here.

    All in all, I’ll stay right about where I am now. I like the fact that if I want “the big city life”, I plan to spend a day driving there. When I get back I remember why I live where I do.

    • seeuncourt says:

      Yes, everything is “Far”…no matter what it is! However, raw land here can be inexpensive and offer the privacy, water, and “homesteadability” one seeks. Just be prepared to purchase wool everything! 😉 Earflap hats rule! Seriously, you can often purchase just about everything online and have it shipped cheap (Harbor Freight $6.99 flat rate for anything) or free (especially around the Christmas holiday) directly to your home ( –12 DAK hams, case of TP, #10 of coffee mate, FREE!). You may have to explain to the vendor that YES, that really IS your address, despite what Google says….but, the UPS man can normally find you! Given the expanse and social mobility of the internet, try to find a blog in the area you are focused on, and join in the chat. Without revealing a lot about yourself, you can learn a lot about the area, its amenities (or not), the real estate and the realtors, schools, churches, etc.

  13. I don’t think there’s really a “truly” safe place anywhere, when it comes down to it. There may be some areas with a lower chance of a certain disturbance in the order of things, but by and large our world is out to kill us if we let it.

    I think knowing the risks and preparing to mitigate them is probably easier, cheaper, and less upsetting to the individual and family. I’ll issue the caveat that I’ve never been to Florida, but know a ton of people who’ve lived and worked there. It has its advantages and disadvantages just like anywhere else. Prepare for them in ways unique to the locale-there’s no one way to prepare.

    • You are spot on about no place having guaranteed safety. But some things are a lot easier to protect against than others. I personally do not want to have to build a house that can withstand a tidal surge or a tornado or a large earthquake or a wildfire or survive 4 feet of flood water every other spring. That’s why my husband and I carefully chose a location that was unlikely to have any of those. Heat waves, early freezes, power outages, windstorms, prolonged droughts and civil unrest I am prepared to deal with — I just don’t want to deal with the really big stuff Mother Nature can dish out.

  14. Goatlover says:

    I’m in Florida and plan on staying. We can grow food of some sort or another all year long. Right now I have bananas, coconuts, grapes, figs, papayas, and black berries ripening. In the winter, I grow upwards of 20 different types of vegetables. Out back, we have an artesian well—drilled down over 800 feet, which free-flows fresh water at 11 psi without power. That well feeds our extensive canal and pond system, which is teeming with talapia, bream, soft-shell turtles, frogs, and the occasional gator.

    At the risk of sounding heartless, half of the state’s population is elderly. When the SHTF, they won’t last very long. The thousands of large and lazy welfare citizens will die of heat stroke fairly quickly, too. Florida’s biggest problem is liable to be disposing of the bodies…..good thing we have plenty of alligators, possums, and buzzards…

  15. Gone West says:

    MOVE – if you REALLY believe that things are getting “flaky”, NOW is the time to leave FL not after SHTF. How do you think you will ever be able to get out of there? Unless you are in N. FL. you will have to pass way through over-populated areas almost every step of the way.
    We lived in the Tampa-Bay area and left last year…sold everything, took our losses, counted our blessings and moved to SE CO, which BTW, SHOULD be included in the “redoubt”. No-one here listens to, nor accepts, Denver politics. Little snow, fires are manageable if prepared, excellent growing season, inexpensive land and most people are self-sufficient here.
    IMHO – TEOTWAWKI – emphasis on AWKI – has ALREADY started.

  16. Waterlady says:

    I’ll stay in N.W Florida, abundant creeks and spring-fed rivers, fertile cropland, long growing seasons, mild winters….it just don’t get any better.

  17. Say you move to whichever redoubt, buy your 40 acres and a mule. Now what? What do you know of this area?
    There are problems with every area. What are the problems you are willing to deal with?
    What connections do you have in Florida that you would have a hard time remaking elsewhere?
    Like Michelle asked, do you know how to take care of yourself in a snowstorm? Have you ever driven on snow and ice? That is a whole new ball game there.
    What are the advantages of living in Florida? Do they outweigh the disadvantages?
    If you were to move what are your advantages and disadvantages there? Write it all down and compare the lists.
    Only you know your exact situation, and what your strengths and weaknesses are. Think about that when comparing your lists.

  18. JeffintheWest says:

    It really depends on what you want and what you can afford to do.

    Buying yourself some land somewhere where you can grow your own food is always a good idea. But you need to think carefully about where you go since what’s best for you may not be the same as what’s best for JW Rawles or MD Creekmore.

    I think any place can be the Redoubt of Mike S, as long as Mike S is happy with it, can make it work for him, and knows how to survive there.

    If I were you, I probably would make a couple of lists. The first would be “pros and cons” of moving at all. The second would be “pros and cons” of where you are right now, and the third would be “pros and cons” of where you think you might want to move. The last one probably would require some research — like on what state taxes and regulations are, what the gun laws are, what the people are like (the people in the back woods in West Virginia have a very different outlook on life than folks from Manhatten do), and whether or not that works for you and your family, and a bunch of other details on the area that affect your particular case (seasons, weather patterns, snowfall amounts, growing season and agricultural zone, hunting rules and restrictions, crime rates, cost of living — there’s a web site that allows you to compare your current cost of living to the one in the area you want to move to — and so on).

    In the end, you and your family are the only ones who can decide what’s best for you. Moving from southern Florida to, say, northern Idaho is going to be a huge cultural, economic, and outlook shock no matter how you plan it, but good planning and research can sure help you get through it!

  19. momengineer says:

    hmm…I would say: it depends.

    Are you in the lower part of florida, near an urban center? Or in the more sparsely populated upper part of florida (FL/GA or FL/AL line). There is a huge difference there in my opinion.

    Other things to consider: what is your network like currently? Do you have family/friends that you could call on for support? Do you currently know all the “hidden” tips and tricks for your area (such as good forage sources, who would be likely to “cut a deal” in a collapse situation, what back roads to take, areas to avoid)…you would be re-learning and reconnecting should you relocate…

    And importantly- what is your family’s take on this all?? unless you have them on board, your retreat may be “safe” but it sure won’t be happy…. 😉

  20. Elizabeth Haugh says:

    First of all we don’t have income tax-yet. If you get up 2/3rd of the way
    and Central locations your far enough inland to be out of the way of
    a lot of floods and hurricanes. Bombings are a good distance too.

    The low rating as I recall are for the bottle neck to get out of the state and crime in Miami etc. I have lived here on and off my entire life and it is about like any other if you stay away from the areas that breed crime. So don’t live in Miami. There is the whole rest of the state.

    We are hot in the summer-awfully hot and humid but you will never
    freeze like up North in the Winter. You can garden all Winter,hunting and fishing is good.

    I just don’t think the man knows what he is talking about and I will not move for anything.

    • riverrider says:

      where do you think all those good folks in miami are going when they get hungry?

  21. Crazy Stevo says:

    I was in the same boat as you are. I lived in St. Petersburg, FL. we moved to Mississippi recently because of a job offer my wife could not refuse. Huge shock to us how poor the area we live in is. But we got out of the city to the “country” which is what we wanted for our family. We do look back on our decision and question if what we did is going to hurt our daughter. We have decided our choice will be batter in the longer run for her. But we wanted to get out. If you want out then get out of the city. Go wherever you want, if it be Tennessee, Idaho, Canada, Brazil, wherever. Just remember do what is best for you!

    • CS, what part of Ms…recently moved to wooded area between Hattiesburg and Columbia and love the country living…20 minutes to Hburg close enough, but in boonies still

  22. Stealth Spaniel says:

    Everyone seems to have covered all of the pros and cons pretty well. I would also say, honestly analyse what is important to you and yours. If your wife needs dog parks, libraries, and a Starbucks-then make sure those things are in the new town. If you can’t live without a gourmet market, decide if you really want to get to know your local farmer at the produce stand. Example: Sacramento is the state capitol, all of the legislature is here, it is surrounded by first class wineries and growers. There are exquisite 10,000 sft mansions and first class cattle ranches. Most of the population-especially in the hinterlands-is conservative on politics and guns. A lot of movers and shakers have moved there. Yet, this city has no orchestra, sparse entertainment (other than movies), you drive to the burbs for a good mall, and it nearly turned inside out to keep the Sacramento Kings Basketball team. Some people can’t believe that they are still living in cow town-others can’t believe it is so crowded now. It really is perspective.

    • axelsteve says:

      Stealth Spaniel. I live a couple of hours from you . I am a bit north west of you and I love it where I am.We have no Mansions however we have plenty of tattoos and lots of missing teeth.

  23. Patriot Dave says:

    I would read Skousen’s book with a lot of grains of salt. I doubt he personally visited every state or even interviewed residents from various parts of any particular state. Instead, he reviewed statistics.
    1. Depending on which stats he included, and which were excluded, he could affect the outcome of his survey. (i.e. a recent article ranked states on freedom. Wyoming was high on the list, so I reviewed the criteria. However, they are very restrictive on homeschooling.)
    2. I felt he stereotyped, overgeneralized, and characterized every location based on one location. At least he did with my state. It would be like saying all of Florida is like Miami.
    As others stated above: your life experiences, knowledge, connections and networks that you and your family developed over a life time are a valuable assets. Having people you know and can trust and support each other and have each other’s backs should not be discounted, nor dismissed casually. Versus being the new stranger who has to prove himself and no support system.
    You need to determine why YOU want to leave. NOT just some guy’s over-rated opinion. Are there other less drastic solutions? What are YOU concerned about? Hurricanes- get a BOL in central part of state or LA, (lower Alabama); contagion in high population area – prep for quarantine and clean room; more than average number of looters – neighborhood defense; gov gun confiscation and/or forced re-location – pvc & shovel, E&E tactics. I think the comment on the seniors was valid. The influx of people from the north is also valid.
    There was a couple in Britain that were worried about how dangerous Britain was becoming. They researched extensively throughout the world what would be safe. The chose a location with the least amount of crime and other problems. They sold everything and relocated. Just a month or two before the Falkland war started. Moral of the story, You can run, but you can’t hide. (heard this on Paul Harvey)

    • Wyoming has plenty of homeschooling. But we do not want Liberals or others coming out here to tell us how to live, Stay where you are. I love my State and the weather, but it is not for you so called preppers who wouldn’t survive the first winter. It is a tough life but we don’t have the crime or BS you people do. We are also educated and don’t need any Obama lovers out here, in fact he never has set foot in the State………..LOL So please stay where you are and good luck.

      • T;
        Are you telling a great granddaughter of a natural born Dakotan not to come??? I am as far from liberal as they get, and I still own mineral rights in that state.
        Yes, it gets cold there, it gets cold where I was born but dog gone……..we already know most pansy preppers(talk only)would never survive in that environment. Don’t worry…..if they show up keep your door closed they will get the hint.

  24. I don’t think you can really rule out almost any state. There are probably some good places in all the states some better than others but that will depend on your personal situation. My preference will SWMO and NWAR but that is for my own personal reasons.. There is “No Perfect” place for probably 99% of use due to many issues mainly money, family, jobs so the real thing to do is do the best with what you have. Now if I win 100 million in the lottery I will have the perfect place and I will just disappear never to be seen again!

  25. Mike S;
    It depends on what you are looking for, why you are wanting to leave. Something other than the book set you off wondering if you were safe. What was the trigger to make you think it was time to pack the bags and go?
    If you & your family are comfortable in Florida find a smaller population area to relocate to. You must find a comfortable zone that you can live and thrive in, and where you are at presently does not sound like it. We can give you advice, but the final decision is yours.
    My dh I lived in several different states, which one did I like the best, all of them. Each had something special to offer, the reason we came back to CA was to care for my parents, and stayed because of my ds and bil(Arizona,Oregon,Montana, Nevada,Washington,CA).

  26. Winomega says:

    MD, just the days of the week for the Q&A labels isn’t quite right. Perhaps the actual date? Perhaps Q&A and a subject tag.

  27. ohio surveyor says:

    If you’re looking for a great place to live and want to think outside the “redoubts” box…try Belize. I’ve read a lot about ex-pats moving to Belize and enjoying the life. Low cost, English speaking, good banking and land ownership laws. Low crime and beautiful views.

    • riverrider says:

      except they darn near had a revolution there recently due to the have/have not disparity. like rio, outside of tourist areas not so great.

  28. Portman90201 says:

    Mike S. Isn’t this rather like following the ‘Herd’… to someplace else. Population density is a valid worry, crime, climate… yada yada. I have kin in Southern Florida, Northern Oregon, Eastern Washington State, So. West Nebraska…. New Mexico. Gotta lot of friends in So. Calif. and Central Calif. and the Carolinas. I’ve have taken a look at how green the “Grass” in all of these areas. Think about ‘watering the lawn’ you live on first and see where that gets you……. This thought of the SHingTF is a nice motivator…. but dumping your life ‘where you know it’… makes you the new guy… with little network… unsure of the area… disconnected in ways only those that have done it can understand and ‘hoping’ to live there ‘unaffected’… long enough… to fit in… developing that comfort zone you enjoy now. Take an honest look at what you have to work with… look around… due diligence… Sorry Mikey….. I got this mouth…. and I can’t seem to keep my opinion in it.

    Good…. luck

  29. Harlan Hutchins says:

    I agree with Bam Bam Florida has a lot going for it. I own and read Skousen’s book and was really concerned at first. My wife, myself and several friends researched all kinds of property in several states and still do on occasion, bottom line even if we combined our efforts it wouldn’t be worth the effort. Over 2 years ago we formed a prepper group with a present total of 250 people covering the eastern part of our county. Most are either self sufficient or working on it. We have also found several other groups throughout the state that believe like we do and have formed alliances with them for our mutual protection and benefit. Skousen gave Florida a low standing for several reasons: Weather issues, I have been here 21 years and can’t say its any worse then anywhere I Have lived. He said we have a high density population that is totally unprepared for anything. I am proud to say that was maybe partially true then but not anymore. I am very aware of a large number of prepper and patriot groups all over Florida. Most with memberships from 250 to over 800. Yes
    Florida is peninsula and it has a high water table in the southern half of the state. In my half we can find lots of places and ways to bunker down if need be. Plus there really is large uninhabitaed areas with forest cover, unbundant water and game. I have nine neighbors within 75 yards that plan to band together. I really like that. From my point of view the grass may be greener on the other side of the state line, but we will make do with what we have. Thankyou, Harlan

  30. Southern Girl says:

    Hey now. I live in NW Florida close to the Alabama line. Yeah, we get our hurricanes, but I agree that you can have problems with weather, earthquakes, tornadoes, fires etc anywhere you may live. You just prepare(at least we have warning), pull your big girl or boy panties up & deal with it. I could not live in a cold climate, although those that think we don’t have cold weather are wrong. We just have a shorter cold season. The heat would be the issue long term without AC in this area.

    However, this is prime farm area, lots of water sources and hunting areas are abundant. Just don’t move too close to the beaches.

    I have lived here all my life & the only other place I would consider moving if not for family would be close to the Smokies. Love the mountains in TN.

    I do agree you have to weigh all your options & at least get away from the big cities & more populated areas.

    Mike S, there is plenty of room for your family here if you don’t want to give up the climate. Check it out. It’s a beautiful place.


  31. Consider Texas & Oklahoma. Both are very red states w/ many freedoms & low taxes & small state govt. Like FL, TX has no state income tax, & OK has reduced their state income tax in recent yrs. There are many places in Texas far from the Gulf coast, & Eastern & Western Okla get very few tornadoes. Kansas is also a red state but gets colder winters. Eastern TX & Eastern OK get more rain than western parts of the states.

  32. Leo Nytis says:

    Move ASAP. For many good reasons. Find a group of like minded people an get into their group.

  33. Encourager says:

    Here is my 2 cents worth.

    My in-laws moved to Florida when Dad retired. They were in the Clearwater area. They loved the winter weather, and spring and fall. Summer was misery. “Everyone has air conditioning. You go from your house to the car to inside the mall.” Fine. As long as there IS electricity and air conditioning. Ask yourself if you and your family would be able to live in Florida without air conditioning. Without fans.

    Dad would complain that they had lousy water, it tasted bad and was always warm out of the tap. He actually hand dug a well so he could water his grass for free and hit water at five feet. He had a sump pump to keep the water out of his home that needed electricity to run. What would happen without the pump? They were flooded out twice because the city did not open up a certain drain in time. They forgot. The whole neighborhood was under water.

    You would have to live with open windows, hopefully with screens. Disease will multiply rapidly, especially insect-borne disease. Most communities have an insect spraying program. When SHTF, there will be no spraying.

    Most of Florida is low land, easily flooded. You need to think through what you have now, and what will be gone when SHTF. Become aware; look around you and ask yourself “these things we depend on to live comfortably, what will stop when SHTF? Can we survive without them? Do we want to? Will my family be safe sleeping with the windows open so we can stay cool? Is our land able to grow enough vegetables and fruit to feed us, without fertilizers?” Dad had to fertilize the heck out of his soil to grow a few orange and grapefruit trees and a few tomato plants. It was dark sand and water ran right through it.

    No one but you and your family can decide for you whether you should leave. I guess it depends on how much you want to risk.

  34. Donna in MN says:

    IF I were in your shoes, I would move to a sparcely populated area, 100 miles from any big city. You should consider what you need like plenty of water, place to grow food or livestock,a place that produces wild food, lots of game and fish, no tornado alley, no hurricanes, no earthquakes, no drought area, plenty of trees for firewood in your wood stove, opportunity to make a living, …oh, thats where I live…

  35. AntiZombie says:

    Mike S What is your age? In my case I’m getting to long in the tooth to homestead a new place. I’m in Oklahoma and we have to deal with some nasty tornados from time to time (makes spring exciting). The summers are brutally hot (90-100 for two months) and the winters are bone numbing cold (20 -30). I am constructing a greenhouse to offset the lack of winter growing and I have wells to flood the garden in the summer. The thing that makes OK ok is the people. Really friendly and helpful for the most part. Folks still say hello to each other and stop to help if you’re broke down. Try this sometime. Drive down the raod in your area and wave at each passing car. See how many wave back. If a perfect stranger can acknowledge you in 2 seconds they’re probably pretty good folks. Land is relatively cheap and gets cheaper the farther you go from a populated area. Guess it all comes down to what you want and how bad you want it.

  36. Much of what I read about prepping is about surviving cold, snow, and ice. Those are definitely not problems in Florida. Granted, there are issues here like population, etc., overall I don’t think the Sunshine State is a horrible place to be in case the worst happens. There is a large rural area, year-round growth season, etc. Before the SHTF, we have no state income tax and very agreeable gun laws. Yes, there are lots of people from “elsewhere,” but, as others have observed, many would not last in a TEOTWAWKI scenario. Frankly, I’d rather be here than the frozen, isolated north.

  37. Where is the American redoubt area?
    I would say visit a couple of places first. -in winter . If you want to visit upstate NY MD can give you our e mail. I wouldn’t recommend NY though- taxes are high but our Adirondack Park is 6 million acres
    of pristine land -beautiful with low populations.If we were younger and didn’t have family here we would move to Maine or Montana. (less populated)
    Remember “every form of refuge has a price” Arlene

  38. Kin_of_Sgt. Alvin C. York says:

    First off, you and your family pray and think about it.

    Secondly, if you decide to move out of FL, keep in your mind the “time” element.

    I just had a long talk with a good friend of mine on the East Coast (NYC), whose family came here some 85 years ago. He’s Jewish and his folks had the smarts and guts to just get up and leave Europe, since they saw trouble brewing. His advice to me:


    …how many perished by thinking…”maybe tomorrow…”

    Walk with God.

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