What did you do to prep this week?

by M.D. Creekmore on December 14, 2013 · 277 comments

1412912_not_so_healthyGood morning everyone - I hope that you all had a good and productive week.

Before we start I would like to give a shout out and a thank you to Troy B, Brent R, Josh B, Brenda C, and Sherry S for their generous support via PayPal this week. If you would like to make a small donation to support the blog then you can do that here.

Okay, let’s see… What did I do to prep this week…?

For the past three days; I’ve been fighting a sinus infection, ear ache and a sore throat, and feel like I’ve been hit between the eyes with a ball peen hammer… Yes, it’s that bad. I don’t know what the problem is but I’ve been having a lot of trouble with allergies and sinus problems recently.  It’s hard to work or even concentrate when feeling like crap.

Prayers are welcome and greatly appreciated – I need to nip this in the bud. Nip it.

This week I’ve been watching the Andy Griffith show on Netflix as you can tell from the reference above, and reading The Coming Economic Armageddon by Dr. David Jeremiah. Both have helped me pass the time and to get my mind off of the way I’ve felt for the past few days.

I have six 200 Servings Emergency Food Supply buckets ordered from Invincible food storage and one arrived this week, apparently they’ve been backordered and are going to ship my order out one bucket at a time. The company should list the product as backordered on their site so that purchasers know what to expect before they order.

I will be posting a review of the product in a couple of weeks when I get time to give it a full evaluation.

Well that’s it for me – I wish that I had more to report but this cold or sinus infection has slowed my preps down considerably, but I know with you all praying for me I’ll be doing jumping jacks by tomorrow morning. Thank you.

What did you do to prep this week?


Penrod December 14, 2013 at 10:10 am

As I mentioned a while back, HONOLULU Magazine published an article about hazards we face as the most isolated major city on earth, primarily hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis, and pandemics . I wrote a letter, and they excerpted part for publication. They also published a letter from a UH Sociology professor which I thought was a hoot for it’s navel-gazing denial of realty. Part of his:

“HONOLULU Magazine reached a ridiculous new low for fear-mongering…From the bottom of my trembling heart I would like to say “Huh?” to (the authors), who have magically managed to make small hazards appear huge and huge hazards (such as obesity, poverty and domestic violence) disappear.”

I’d love to hear him say that to anyone on Kauai in 1992: It took four weeks to get power back to just 20% of the population after Hurricane Iniki. Parts of the island were out for three months. 1400 houses destroyed, 5200 severely damaged. It doesn’t happen here often, but it can be plenty bad when it does.

They let me have the last word, though: “Thank you for publishing your October cover article “Get Ready.” I think you and staff presented the problems well. A few people may even heed the warnings and prepare for the next hurricane or other disaster, though I doubt that enough will to make a big difference. Except to themselves, of course. They will be a lot better off.”

It’s funny that a sociologist would hold the government’s own recommendations to prepare in such utter contempt.

Thanks to Encourager in the last Q&A about prepackaged food, I ordered a 3-pack of Ova Easy powdered whole eggs for experimenting with on our next camp trip. For some reason they wouldn’t ship a single pack to The People’s Republic of Paradise.

I picked up a used pair of ramps at the swap meet so my step-son can change his own car oil. Also got him an antique Perfect Pattern Handle screwdriver for his toolbox. They have been made since 1850 by various companies and are still pretty awesome. The seller had three, but two had been re-ground. If you don’t know what one looks like, Google Image or eBay ‘Perfect Pattern Handle’.

I put in some machete time last Saturday with a group of volunteers to clear the bamboo encroaching on the NPR transmitter in the mountains. NPR is one of the designated emergency news providers in a disaster, so it is important to keep the transmitter in decent shape no matter what their (YUK!) politics are. The clearing has to be done about every three months, and several active duty military men and women help out. It’s about three or four hours, and fun in the sun.

Few of the volunteer crew own machetes, so I bring a half dozen along. It’s interesting to hear their comments on which ones they like. A preferred one is made from a lawn mower blade (beveled on one side only) with an aluminum handle cast onto it. Short, heavy, and sharp. People like the improvised ones. Also the Ka-Bar Cutlass Machete, which is my own favorite.

I picked up a used Victorinox Spartan at the swap a week or two ago for three dollars because a tiny bit of the small blade tip was broken off, so ground that down and will include it in a GHB I’m putting together as a Christmas present for my DW’s ex. He works at the NPR station, will likely be there during a hurricane and the aftermath, and could use a good small emergency pack.

I started wrapping Christmas presents. If you don’t think that is a contribution to long term survival, you aren’t married.

Encourager December 19, 2013 at 4:46 pm

“I started wrapping Christmas presents. If you don’t think that is a contribution to long term survival, you aren’t married.”

Spot on! My dh had better start ‘contributing’ in that area!!

Penny Pincher December 14, 2013 at 10:13 am

Hi Pack!
This week my illustrious roommate moved out. I am in the process of a little renovation in his wake, before advertising the vacancy.
I found a free ebook called “Plastic Surgery for Non-Surgeons”. No, I’m not going to attempt plastic surgery, but it’s not going to hurt anything to read the book. I already read the chapter on gunshot wounds.
Some Xmas money allowed me to buy back a futon I’d sold the roommate, and order some Tattler lids that were on sale yesterday for half off.
I’m off to do my renovations, later Pack!

Michele December 14, 2013 at 10:14 am

MD – If you can go out to a Health food store, I’d HIGHLY suggest getting Nutribiotic Nasal spray. It is made with saline water, glycerine and a couple drops of grapefruit seed extract. Knocked my last sinus infection out in one. If not, and you have saline spray (like Ocean) add a couple drops grapefruit seed extract and use it the same way (the glycerine is soothing but that is all it’s used for, I’m pretty sure). Saline water is made with 1C warm water and 1/4 tsp salt.

M.D. Creekmore December 14, 2013 at 10:17 am


I use saline spray but it’s plain with nothing added – I’ll see if I can find the grapefruit seed extract.

Michele December 14, 2013 at 10:57 am

You should at VERY LEAST have Grapefruit seed extract drops in your medicine chest. It is a very strong antibiotic, anti-viral and anti-fungal. You’re younger than me so probably do not yet have to worry about diverticulitis, but MAY in the future. Diverticulitis is an infection in your intestines, and it can explode and KILL YOU. It presents as severe pain in the lower left side of your abdomen. If you feel that type of pain and we still have access to Doctors and hospitals – DO NOT self diagnose but head straight in.

After the first time I was diagnosed, I used massive doses of garlic to bring down the infection, instead of running to the Dr for theh massive dose of antibiotics they give you and that worked but took 4-5 days to be all better.

In the past year, I started taking 15-20 drops of grapefruit seed extract (instead of the garlic) in a little bit of water 4 -6 times a day and that knocks it out in 1-3 days (but I keep taking it for a few more days to be sure I got all the infection).

It may seen a bit expensive (about $15 for 4 oz) but you use 15 DROPS at a time, so it lasts a very long time. I get a monthly subscription from Vita cost for it for my preps, but I bought a 2 oz bottle for up here (before DH and I were married) back in March, and it is still about half full.

Docj December 14, 2013 at 11:05 pm

Have a question. I have same issues but cannot take anything with grapefruit in it because I am on a statin med for cholesterol. What else would you recommend?

wasp December 15, 2013 at 1:36 am

statins replaceable with propolis tincture–20 drops per day in your drink. your beekeepers can supply you. call county extension services to locate.
you can safely lower cholesterol and then be free with the grapefruit.

Docj December 15, 2013 at 11:28 am

Thank you

TNfarmer December 15, 2013 at 12:43 pm

Oregano oil in capsules is wonderful for sinus and upper respiratory infections. DH couldn’t get his sinus clear until I gave him two 460 mg capsules three times a day. Works like a charm. Make sure you get the Oregano oil, not capsuled oregano. Good luck.

Becky December 16, 2013 at 12:39 am

Where are you purchasing the Grape seed extract?

Michele December 16, 2013 at 10:07 am

I’m getting GRAPEFRUIT (the sour citrus stuff) seed extract from Vita Cost, but it is available from Amazon, and health food stores

Becky December 16, 2013 at 11:31 am

Thank you!

Florida Gal December 16, 2013 at 12:35 pm

Where does someone with zero knowledge of herbal remedies go to begin to learn? Do you have a website or can you suggest a book or site for true rookies to begin to learn and grow a supply for basic needs. I love your informative posts so much!

Encourager December 19, 2013 at 4:49 pm

Florida Gal,
Check out the wonderful articles written here about herbal remedies/tinctures. Use the search engine above.

TnMike December 14, 2013 at 10:22 am

The wife and I are suffering the same symptoms as are a lot of our neighbors. There apparently is a bug making it’s rounds on the Plateau and you were lucky enough to catch it! On the prepping side I received a couple of cases of wheat in #10 cans from the LDS online site. Good prices and fast shipping.

M.D. Creekmore December 14, 2013 at 10:33 am


That’s why I don’t gamble…

PGCPrepper December 14, 2013 at 10:31 am

* Added shelving in garage for shelving
* Added to propane
* Bought “The Seige” lantern as mentioned before
* Ordered the Big Berkey
* Bought 6 1.75 L of Vodka and 2 Cpt morgans. Huge sale plus rebate; plus no taxes thru post exchange.
* Ordered some silver bars through J.M. Bullion. Getting skeerder of the banks. Don’t know how to store them yet though.

Patti December 15, 2013 at 11:41 pm

Glad to see you back, friend. Hope you are feeling well.

Michele December 14, 2013 at 10:43 am

Now for prepping.

My monthly subscription of 2-56 oz coconut oil, Grapefruit seed extract and the new addition of cranberry juice concentrate came in.

Since I seem to have grabbed my spare parts for making colloidal silver generators last time I was in CA, but not the actual generator (and silver), I bought 2-6″ 12 gauge .9999 pure silver.

Ordered the Conflicted cards.

6 boxes of smooth move tea

a quart of palm oil (for soap making) and a silicone pan for a mold

Ordered 4 packs of 200 ct Graviola/sour sop leaves, some for my neighbor, some for my herb ‘collection’.

When I moved here at the end of March, my very sweet neighbor, Don, had terminal stage 4 lung cancer, and about 6 months to live. He also had a very weak heart valve, high blood pressure and COPD – all things that herbal preparations could make a huge difference in. I showed Don first of all that lobelia would help his breathing – he was skeptical, but willing to give it a try. I gave him about 20 drops in tea (then watched him like a hawk for a few minutes in case he has a reaction with this MANY prescriptions – but all went well). After about 10 minutes, he said it did feel like he could breathe better, so walked over to his wagon and back at a fairly brisk pace – which he told me he is NOT able to do. They were now both convinced.

So, back home to be sure the additional stuff I wanted to suggest to him would not have adverse reactions with his meds (I have an herbal PDR) – Nope! Then I suggested starting hawthorn for his heart, blood pressure and blood clotting, and graviola for the cancer. Within a month, at his next Dr visit, they had to reduce his anti-coagulant and blood pressure meds as his blood pressure was down.

Fast forward to 2 weeks ago, when Don came over and gave me a HUGE hug. THERE IS NO SIGN OF HIS CANCER. His Dr said whatever he is doing keep it up. She wants to keep him on chemo (which wasn’t helping at all when I first moved here) but his choice is to drop it and keep on with the graviola tea every morning, which no side effects. I of course am THRILLED!

Something else I suggested to Don right from the start – and I know for a fact that it helps as much as anything is to love his body. Cancer is a part of his body that is sick. It is not a foreign invader. You don’t throw away, or fight or try to kill a child that you love because it’s sick, you nuture it, caring for it lovingly, and that is the attitude I told him to embrace every day. We were working to heal the sick parts of his body. Please all, keep that in mind.

God gave you this body that the New Testament calls it the Temple of the Holy Spirit (which it is). Love it, care for it, nurture it and it will be a worthwhile vessel for your very precious soul.

Michele December 14, 2013 at 11:02 am

Oh, and forgot to mention that kwink.com is publishing a little article on me and DH because we ‘met’ on the survivalist dating section of kwink. Thank you, whoever it was on this site that suggested that to me.

Here is the link:

bctruck December 14, 2013 at 1:56 pm

very happy story michelle! im glad you found someone and that it is a great match. i was single for two years after my divorce from broomhilda, i hated being single. i met my wife on a horse ranch that i was delivering an 18 wheeler load of hay to 23 years ago.

nwsenior December 14, 2013 at 1:58 pm

Nice interview, Michele.

axelsteve December 15, 2013 at 8:53 pm

Michele . That was a nice interview. I am glad that you two got together.

axelsteve December 14, 2013 at 11:23 am

Michele. I am very glad to hear about your neighbor.A lady that I work with was recently diagnosed with a agrass ive form of breast cancer. It made me look at any problem that I have and put it into perspective. I wish that she would start doing what you did for your neighbor.

WYO Ryder December 14, 2013 at 12:16 pm


I am SO happy for Don and think you are a wonderful person – ‘you done good girl’! And I for one, forget to make the time to take care of myself so will love my body more too :-)

Where do you suggest i purchase graviola? Are tea leaves the best or can you take tablet forms? Do you take it as a precautionary herb or strictly when sickness occurs? And finally, is it only for cancer type sicknesses or does it help with other things? Sorry for all the questions, i know someone who is very sick/leukemia and I have a lump/cyst on my armpit that I would like to treat with something…antibiotic?

I want to thank MD and all of you who have advised me that prepping is not just for the SHTF scenario. I recently lost my job (just in time for the holidays) and am happy to report my kids & all animals have food to eat :-) and its ALL GOOD!

God Bless and happy holidays!

M.D. Creekmore December 14, 2013 at 12:52 pm

WYO Ryder,

I’m sorry to hear about your job loss – that is what we call a “personal SHTF”, glad that you were ready for it. I hope that it does not last long…

Donna in MN December 15, 2013 at 12:21 am

Same thing happened to me WYO. Part of everyone’s prep should be getting out of most debt to save money for a crisis, including losing one’s job to pay the bills without an income until a new job comes..

WYO Ryder December 15, 2013 at 6:38 pm

Agreed Donna – very important! Although I still have CC debt…vehicles are paid off and there is a small ‘crisis’ fund for the mortgage & a nice thing about a small town in Wyoming….I can barter/trade work for some of my bills.

Speaking from experience, I would never (again) buy preps with a credit card if it is outside of a person’s established budget and/or couldn’t be re-paid that month.

MD –
From learning how to Ebay (thanks Victoria) to coupon clipping and canning & dehydrating (and other great wolf pack ‘how’ to articles)….God willing…we will be just fine :-)!

Sending healing prayers your way!

M.D. Creekmore December 15, 2013 at 9:58 pm

WYO Ryder,

Thank you. I’m doing better today – just a sore throat now…

mom of three December 14, 2013 at 12:46 pm

All right what a testament to herbs. I don’t use alot of over the counter stuff, I have some for just in case but love herbs. Your neighbor, has to be singing praises. Thanks for an awesome story.

Lauri no e December 14, 2013 at 12:56 pm


God Bless you, for your kindness toward your neighbor. Also I have been meaning to tell you, that you did a great write up on the herbs a couple of weeks ago.

Bam Bam December 14, 2013 at 1:24 pm


You are a remarkable person. I love to hear about your work as a healer.

Susy December 14, 2013 at 4:30 pm

Michele, Would lobelia help someone with asthma breath better/easier? I currently take singulair and advair with albuterol for bad days (like today).

Thanks for any info you can share. If you have any website suggestions, I could read up on it.

Michele December 14, 2013 at 4:54 pm


Lobelia is GREAT for asthma – that’s why I have it – pounds of it! To make lobelia tincture – use APPLE CIDER VINEGAR, instead of alcohol. Take a pint jar, fill it 1/3 to 1/2 way up with dried lobelia, finish filling the jar with vinegar (organic or homemade if you have it) put on a lid, shake it daily for two to six weeks (don’t you just love my EXACT instructions!).

Take 15 to 20 DROPS for your asthma. You will notice a great deal of difference in just a few minutes. I still have an inhaler, but haven’t used it in years – the lobelia seems to work a lot better. You can take more as needed, but this is one of those herbs you don’t want to take a lot of as it is also called puke weed – for a reason, if you take too much.

According to Dr. John Christopher, lobelia tincture is listed THE herb for helping with whooping cough – a few drops internally every few minutes. He also recommends using bayberry tea as a gargle (swallowing after) to help cut the phlegm, crushed garlic with cayenne and honey to help clear the throat,

Singulair and advair scare the you know what out of me – nasty side effects!

Susy December 14, 2013 at 6:36 pm

Where do you purchase your lobelia Michele?


Michele December 14, 2013 at 11:23 pm

Mountain Rose Herbs. http://www.mountainroseherbs.com

They have very good prices and all their herbs are organic.

Michele December 14, 2013 at 4:36 pm

I thank you all for the nice comments. But in all truth, and no modesty –

Don healed himself with the help of the herbs. I’m sure prayer helped as well – credit those things – because they were the real healers here.

Yes graviola has other beneficial uses. Do a search on medicinal uses of graviola or sour sop.

Unless you have an allergic reaction to it, or have Parkinson’s graviola has no adverse effects and would be perfectly acceptable to just have as tea. Don loves the taste of it.

I’m not even sure there is a problem with Parkinson’s, but would hesitate to recommend it to someone with Parkinson’s since there is some research that the seeds of graviola contain something that can interfere with Parkinson’s. I do not recall what it is, and am not terribly sure I trust mainstream medical’s research studies, but feel I would be remiss not to mention it – just in case.

Here is the link:


Apparently they give you a break on the shipping if you order more than one unit – which I did so I can have it in my herbal medicine arsenal. Here are the details of my order:

Placed on Friday, December 13, 2013
4 x Soursop Leaves (Graviola Leaves)-4 Oz.(over 200 Leaves)-PURELIFE HERBS
Health and Beauty
Sold by Purelife Herbs
Condition: New
Item Subtotal: $27.80
Shipping & Handling: $10.45
Total Before Tax: $38.25
Order Total: $38.25 (no sales tax in Oregon)

Shades of Green December 16, 2013 at 1:34 pm


I use and make my own herbals also but have never heard of graviola. Do you know if it will help with Castlemans Disease ( CD ) and Behcets? My son has had CD since he was 14 and now at 28 he has Behcets. It is a horrible disease and totally tears his body up. The cancer doctor has him going through chemo to try and knock both into remission. We can only hope right now. The mortality rate for people with Behcets is high but I will not share that info with my son. I want him to have hope.

Michele December 19, 2013 at 5:54 pm

Shades of Green,

I honestly had heard NOTHING of either condition before now. I doubt graviola would hurt him, but search for yourself.

My honest opinion would be to take your son to a Naturopathic or Ayurvedic physician, and put him on a diet of ‘traditional’ foods.

There is a book I had to read cover to cover for the Ayurvedic herbal class I’m taking called “Traditional Foods are our Best Medicine.” by Ronald F. Schmid. It is a pretty boring read truthfully, so I’d get it from the library or used on Amazon – but follow his advice.

Or look up and follow the Gerson Diet. My guess is one of these are your best bet to have to put up with your son for a very long time. Our bodies will heal themselves if given a chance – even in latter stage 4 cancer with these diets.

Use only organic vegetables and fruits, grass fed beef or naturally fed poultry – preferably truly free range (not free range in a barn).

I know that diet is probably expensive, but hopefully you’ll be able to grow your own fruits and veges starting in the spring, and if possible raise your own chickens (OK, beef too – but not everyone has room for a cow or goats – but NOW is a GREAT time to find grass fed cows. In my area they are about $2.50 or so a pound ‘hanging weight’ and there is probably another 30-60 cents for cut and wrap.

Much love and prayers for you both.

The Prepper December 15, 2013 at 9:59 am

Which type of graviola tea do you buy? Do you order your through Amazon or a different website?

charliebuck December 15, 2013 at 10:51 pm

Michele,how are you making colloidal silver machine,what parts?I purchased a machine years ago that looks relatively simple to make.I just need to round up parts and I was curious what you are going to use?Thank You for your help.I am a big believer in coll.silver.

Michele December 16, 2013 at 12:11 am


If you search this website, you will find an article I wrote a little over a year ago with directions for making a colloidal silver generator that fits in an altoids box, and I even include pictures. It was really simple.

Patti December 15, 2013 at 11:44 pm

So awesome that you are sharing your talents and saving lives.

rjarena December 14, 2013 at 10:55 am

Had a rear brake light go out, had to replace wiring, was a little low on electrical tape, hit Harbor freight had a coupon for 25% off and bought a couple of 6 packs of electrical tape.inventoried ammo, had more than I thought. I have been picking up n extra box of what ever a store had whenever I could, it adds up.added to the can goods, but will have to wait on the large water storage(55 gal-274 gal units) money is very tight, radically under employed right now.

Schatzie Ohio December 14, 2013 at 10:56 am

Not much in the prepping category but did get the Christmas cards off, presents bought and wrapped and packages mailed. I am now finishing sewing a Christmas theme shirt for our great neighbor. Now that all the other Christmas stuff is done I think I will bake up some shortbread cookies dipped in dark chocolate, Yummmm.
This past week the overnight temperatures were down to 3 degrees. The husband took pity on our one last remaining chicken and made her a chicken hutch warmer using a light bulb and a metal coffee can.

WYO Ryder December 14, 2013 at 12:20 pm

Ohio – We had lows of negative 15-20 for several nights last week. I have lights in all three of my coops but had four small kennels with four sickly/cold hens in my laundry room….boy were those gals happy!

Bam Bam December 14, 2013 at 1:26 pm

We had lows in the 40s. OMG, we had to break out our winter flip flops–they are fur lined. :)

bctruck December 14, 2013 at 1:58 pm

bam bam,i had to actually go look for long pants.i have about 30 pairs of shorts and 3 pair of long pants. i hate cold!!!

Bam Bam December 14, 2013 at 3:54 pm


I had to order some jeans. I only had one pair that fits. We wear shorts year round and so don’t think about jeans.

PWB December 14, 2013 at 2:17 pm

Play nice Bam Bam lol

GA Red December 14, 2013 at 2:40 pm

LOL! I’ve had to wear long johns under my work pants lately. The air conditioner in my office is working a little too well for our 45 degree, rainy, cold weather.

Mary in GA December 15, 2013 at 3:37 pm

I’m with you GA Red!

Schatzie Ohio December 14, 2013 at 3:04 pm

Bam Bam, I have a couple of brothers that live in the Jacksonville area. They always rib me about our weather. I tell them they can have their weather as I do not like the heat, humidity and bugs that they have for a good part of the year. Not to mention how crowded that area is. =)

Bam Bam December 14, 2013 at 3:51 pm

Schatzie Ohio,

My sister lives in Pa., right near the NJ state line. I just got off the phone with her. They already have a foot of snow and there’s more on the way. I would much rather have the heat and humidity than to deal with the cold.

bctruck December 14, 2013 at 4:08 pm


Kermit5575 December 14, 2013 at 5:18 pm


Ghost December 14, 2013 at 8:03 pm

OMG! You Poor-poor people having to put up with cold temps, I fell just soooooooo sorry for ya’ll…….NOT!

Welcome to The United States of Minnesota, we’re taking over the entire country, booohahaha!

(stay warm guys)

bctruck December 14, 2013 at 8:34 pm

the minnesnowtans are spreading their evil!!!!

Lisa December 14, 2013 at 9:04 pm

ahhh we have to be good at something…. but even this seems abit cold for us this early in the season. January, February and March ought to be a blast!

Hunker-Down December 15, 2013 at 8:34 pm


Desert Fox December 15, 2013 at 9:37 pm

Just went thru a bout of -11 degrees and a foot or two of snow! It’s beautiful but don’t like to drive in it! Have to four-wheel a lot and my truck drinks a lot when working hard! Brrrrrrr!

Rider of Rohan December 14, 2013 at 11:10 am

I’ve been following the Pack closely the past 3 weeks, just been a little too busy to comment before this week. It’s good to see everyone making progress while the politicians in DC regress. The weather has been terrible, some of the coldest and iciest I’ve ever seen for this early in the year. And it’s been going on for 3 weeks now.

JP in MT(who I’ve discussed this with before), my best prep of the week, the month, and the year happened when I walked into my friendly gun shop this week looking for a Hogue grip, and found a Marlin 1894 Lever-action Carbine in .44 mag. standing in a rack. For $459. I about tripped myself trying to get to the counter and buying it before they raised the price. The inside of the barrel looked good. It did have one small spring problem that I fixed when I got it home, I used some cold blue to cover a couple of blemishes on the metal finish, and some furniture markers to repair some scratches on the stock. It looks like brand new, I’m pretty pumped. And as it’s a caliber I already use, I don’t have to buy any am-mo. Yippee yah, yippee yay!!!

Other preps this past week included getting Christmas presents for everyone. All my kids got a food bucket from Mountain House and a neat UV water purifier by Camelbak. I got one for myself, too. I really like it.

Canned food is still on sale at Wal-Mart, so I bought so much(6 cases) that my wife got mad. I had to stack it on the pantry floor for now as our son will be here for Christmas and we need to keep the extra bedroom clear. She did settle down after a bit.

One other item I got and was glad to get was some doxy, which I was not able to find in anything but powder form, so I had to get a capsule kit to go along with it. My doctor said that was no problem, so I went ahead and got a pretty good supply. That’s about it, wish the Pack another week of great prepping.

axelsteve December 14, 2013 at 11:32 am

R of R That 44 mag would be a great gun for my area. We have feral and wild hogs that would be a great gun for. We also have smallish deer that would be great on.I would love a handy 44 mag like that congratulations!

riverrider December 14, 2013 at 12:55 pm

color me green with envy ;) congrats!

SCPrepperPoppa December 14, 2013 at 3:03 pm

Glad your’re back Rider! I too have just been following and not commenting. Lots going on, some bad, most good. Life.
Got a way nasty stomach virus first of week, my esophagus feels like I’ve been drinking battery acid it hurts much every time I eat or drink something. Yuck!

Merry Christmas Pack!

Rider of Rohan December 14, 2013 at 3:17 pm

Merry Christmas to you, SCPrepperPoppa. Sorry to hear you’ve been sick, but hopefully you will be back to 100% by Christmas. Hope that little granddaughter is doing well.

I went to see the Quebe Sisters in Breckenridge, Tx. back in Oct., and they did this song. I was one of the ones hollering in the background. Here’s a Christmas present for you and your little granddaughter. I love these folks, they are the best ever.


worrisome December 14, 2013 at 5:44 pm

You are right, those ladies are good!

Rider of Rohan December 14, 2013 at 8:02 pm

And they are so approachable and just downright adorable. They come to California every year. They’ve played the Santa Clarita Cowboy Festival and the Bankhead Theater in Livermore the past 2 years, I believe. Here is a great interview by Stephen K. Peeples when they appeared at Santa Clarita. They are such a joy and honor to get to know, even just a little bit. They are the real deal.


SCPrepperPoppa December 15, 2013 at 12:32 pm

Rider, she is well, growing up fast! Thanks for the, we all loved it! Thanks for asking, and remembering

Rider of Rohan December 14, 2013 at 3:07 pm

riverrider and axelsteve, I had that exact rifle 20 or so years ago, and I sold it. I don’t even know why I sold it, wanted something else most likely. To have this little rifle again just makes me feel good, and to get it for that price makes me want to jump up and down.

And thanks, Old St. Nick for my early Christmas present, I knew you existed. lol

Ghost December 14, 2013 at 8:08 pm

Got the same carbine in .357 instead of .44, handy as heck.

worrisome December 14, 2013 at 11:13 am

So sorry to hear you are sick MD, prayers. My old standby for sinus issues is to put a bunch of dried peppermint in a cup, fill it with hot water, drop a towel over my head and the cup, pull it up close to my nose and breathe in the steam. It clears the head, but it is doubtful that it kills the bugs.

I had hoped to be up on the mountain by now as I am going to go up and spend a week. Work issues interfered.

This week, I sat down and planned next year’s budget. Going to have to get used to living on a retirement income.

Spent some time across the street with little old couple, helping her make Christmas candy, cookies and such. We packaged some of it up and I helped her get it mailed to their family. She has some good recipes, so I spent some time making copies of them for myself.

Helped the neighbor next door with some yard cleaning chores. And helped him start packing up for his move up the mountain. Note to self, don’t pack up and move anything if you haven’t figured out where to put it on the other side! His property has a shop building on it, but he hasn’t figured out a floor plan for it, nor has he got any shelving or storage areas planned for it. He got a shopping list to fill and have ready by moving day! Another note to self, “I have been to busy to think about it” translates to, “I don’t want to think about it.” Ha

Finished up Christmas shopping. Thanks to Rider of Rohan for his mention of bows, two are under tree.

Each family unit got these for their cars..two each. http://www.amazon.com/Smith-Wesson-SWBG2TS-Serrated-Seatbelt/dp/B0037F1B9E/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1387035736&sr=8-4&keywords=car+seat+cutter
I also bought one for the little old couple, one for my neighbor, one from bil and nephew, one for myself and a couple for some folks at work that I think need them.

Ordered up a bunch of rechargeable batteries.

Stopped by the local Ace store and bought rat poison, rat and mice traps, wasp spray, black sunflower seeds for the bird feeders, some more handles for shovels, rakes, etc. New brooms, mops, an electric limb clipper (just because I thought it was cool). Also picked up some more extension cords, some electrical hardware and plumbing parts requested by the boys for the projects. Got some more bbq lighters and cigarette lighters as they were on sale.

Also ordered up a bunch of office supplies for the home office. Part for here and most to take on up the mountain.

The rest of the cabinets came in for the house here, one step closer to having my house back.

Whew, been a busy week.

GA Red December 14, 2013 at 2:45 pm

You reminded me that I bought 12V air compressors for each of the daughters for Christmas. I hope I remember to wrap them.

Rider of Rohan December 14, 2013 at 3:42 pm

Thanks for the credit, worrisome, I will say they are pretty neat. Mine is not under the tree, but hid somewhere, I hope. It was the only thing I put on my Christmas list.

Did you mention budget? I’m on a crusade to cut spending this next year, so I’m making a lot of last minute purchases on the stuff we use day to day, like aluminum foil, paper towels, toilet paper, windex, dawn dish liquid, and other household items. Next year might get dicey. I know this, we will wake up one morning with everything different than it was the day before, if you know what I mean, and I think you do.

Good to know your house is getting back to normal, can’t wait for you to quit having to worry about those issues and get back to full-time prepping. And good luck with the retirement, that sounds so awesome.

Alex December 14, 2013 at 11:16 am

Bought a strop at amazon to keep my knives razor sharp!

Fixit December 14, 2013 at 11:16 am

Added more to my spice supplies.arrowroot powder, vanilla beans, smoked Spanish paprika and some blue cheese powder. Also picked up David Nash’s book on 52 Prepper projects and order a few doz. tattler lids while they were on sale yesterday.

Linda December 16, 2013 at 8:56 pm

Sorry, hit the wrong button instead of “reply.” I wanted to know where you found blue cheese powder. I’ve never seen it.

Becky December 14, 2013 at 11:34 am

Good Morning MD
Sorry to hear you are feeling ill, sounds like the nasty cold that is going around. Just be very careful that it does not go into pneumonia. I use zinc lozenges(cherry flavored/chewable) and they seem to help with the throat, and shortening the illness. Prayers for getting better coming your way.
1) Ordered Tattler red canning lids along with the book they offer.
2) Received a shipment of hay and have another on order
3) Hit the jack pot on free FGB’s at two major stores in the area
4) Met a nice couple in our local C*stc* store recommended they look at your site. If I am able to make contact with them, I am going to assist them with prepping or as Mama J calls it “Thrivialist”.

On another note db is receiving the core blood to restart his immune system, so far so good. He is tolerating all they have put him through. Dh is awaiting a date to put a feeding tube in to stop the weight loss, and let his esophagus have a chance to recover.
That is it for this pack member.

Shandi December 14, 2013 at 11:34 am

Hope you feel better soon MD! Thinking positive thoughts for your recovery.

We didn’t do a darn thing prepping wise this week. No money for it, but the bills are paid, so I guess that’s a positive thing.

Hope everyone had a great week!

bctruck December 14, 2013 at 11:44 am

I found a lady who is selling 30 gallon plastic drums that had sunflower oil in them. i had been looking for that a foodgrade drum that size for a very long time. now,i can start planning my bio sandfilter. i went back and bought several more becausethey will bve the perfect size to give to my freind who does cabinet and woodcraft. he gives me all his scrap and i had 3 55 gallon drums of it in my shop. This winter,so far, ive used it all. i will make a much more concerted effort to get all he has from nowe on no matter how much room it takes. im also astonished to see how much of my firewood ive used in such a short time just to keep my shop warm enough to work without a jacket. This lead me to (at last) my prep for the week. i had leaks and openings all over my winter shop (the one with a woodstove), and it is very dark even with several lights. i plugged all the leaks and painted the walls white to try and get the light to bounce off the walls some. Ive also come to a very comfortable realization. Ive finally arrived at a point in my prepps that i feel very good about. I have enough propane,gas,lamp oil,redundant means of cooking, that i feel i can devote more of my energy to other pressing matters. since i used so much firewood,ill be stacking it as high as possible and storing far more than the 2 cords i initially had. i can finally work on improving my fenceline with unfreindly bushes,and experimenting with differant ways to heat water and perhaps make a solar shower. Ive also come to the realization that unless i was starving and near death, i cant raise and kill an animal for its flesh. Ive decide to add to my chicken flock. eggs are the perfect food and you can actually live off just eggs.Im not even sure i can eat fish i catch. i dont know what happened to me,but somewhere down the line,i got soft on the inside. Its been a cold wet week here. hope yalls was better than mine!

Hunker-Down December 14, 2013 at 12:17 pm


We have several 30 and 55 gallon food grade plastic barrels. A local guy collects the discarded barrels and 5 gallon buckets from several food processing plants in our area and makes a living selling them.
We made container garden planters from the barrels and so far have planted flowers, strawberries and potatoes in them. We learned how to make the containers from a DVD purchased from EasiestGarden.com.
Please, when you have time, let us know how to construct the bio sandfilter.

We have been saving tin cans to be used to make trip alarms by putting small rocks in the cans and stringing them 5-6 inches above ground level with fishing line. A few days ago I remembered that, on the farm we used the tops of those tin cans to nail shut holes chewed in boards by rats in the barn and rabbits in their cages. So, I began saving the lids (maybe you can use them in your shop to keep the cold out?). Anyhoo, the DW caught me saving the lids and is now convinced I belong on that stupid prepper show.

bctruck December 14, 2013 at 2:06 pm

hunkerdown,with the biggest employer and user of plastic drums in my area being the oilfield industry,ive been very reluctant to buy drums unless i was 100% certain of whast was last in it and that it was food grade. i plan to collect water for my garden in some of them also.now that i have the drum,the bio sand filter will be built very soon.

Penny Pincher December 15, 2013 at 8:12 am

I like to save the tops of frozen juice containers, if they are metal. They won’t cut your hands, can be used in crafts, for game pieces, fridge magnets etc.

In that vein, coconut milk comes in smooth walled steel cans. You can cut them open and you won’t have to hammer them flat. I make coconut curry fairly often so I stock coconut milk and so far my fave brand is Chaokoh in the brown can, it tastes best.to me.

Versus mice I stuff steel wool into cracks, I will have to try the tin can trick too. I used a can lid as a doorknob banger once.

Desert Fox December 15, 2013 at 9:57 pm

A few years ago I used a whole can, opened sideways, and flattened to cover a mouse hole in my garage. Didn’t see another mouse until this year. I’ve already got it, and as soon as the weather gets a wee bity warmer…I’ll have to search for another hole. Its a good idea to have a few flattened since they stack well that way.

Aunt B December 14, 2013 at 12:41 pm

Congratulations on becoming a compassionate person. If the time comes that your loved ones need meat you will provide it. Until then it is great that you respect other beings right to life!

bctruck December 14, 2013 at 2:08 pm

i actually tried going vegan because of this”awakening” of love i have for animals,but im kind of big,and i thought i was gonna pass out from hunger the 2 weeks i tried going without meat.

k. fields December 14, 2013 at 3:38 pm

BC, vegan is tough but you CAN go without meat if you really want to. I’ve eaten eggs and dairy products my whole life (an ovo-lacto vegetarian) but have never eaten meat, fish or fowl and I’m 6’5, weigh around 210-220, and have always worked manual labor jobs – mostly cutting timber. The lack of meat certainly hasn’t hurt my ability to live a normal life.

riverrider December 14, 2013 at 1:01 pm

welcome to the reformed killer club. used to hunt and raise critters for the pot but can’t do it anymore. guess i could if hungry, but not just for fun.

bctruck December 14, 2013 at 2:11 pm

same here. i was actually in a stand with the string pulled back fixin to let an arrow fly towards a 10 point,when i realized i didnt want to.i sold my bow,and gave up hunting.that was in my early 30,s and i even gave up fishing.

George December 14, 2013 at 2:30 pm

I love fishing but hate cleaning the things so I just catch and release.
The only reason I deer hunt is that I can get someone else to do the processing and m buddy for some reason LOVES to field dress them so I don’t really have to do much other than drop it off at the butcher. If I had to do it al myself it would only be if I REALLY needed to!

PGCPrepper December 14, 2013 at 2:38 pm

That’s pretty cool that you own up to that. I’ve never been in a position where I personally had to kill an animal for meat and prefer that I do not. My granddad had to and he was a butcher by trade so I did and do eat meat though.

I would rather just work hard and stock up on the product. Yes, it’s somewhat hypocritical. I just believe I am of the blood type and metabolic makeup that does better eating meat. My wife, not so much. I’ve studied diets for 30 years and tested on me and clients. Maybe you are like my wife. She would do well on beans and rice and she’s not even asian. I did fish when younger and could gut them. Just don’t enjoy it.

Michele December 14, 2013 at 11:32 pm


I take it you have blood type O and your wife type A or AB. Am I correct?

PGCPrepper December 15, 2013 at 1:52 am


Patti December 15, 2013 at 11:59 pm

I am type O and love my meat….go a little nutty without it, actually.

axelsteve December 15, 2013 at 8:59 pm

I love Bison,I used to cook up a Bison tri tip when I went camping. I marinated it with Garlic and Jack Danials. Man that was good stuff. I would also like to try wild turkey. The bird not the booze. I also love elk. I like it much better then beef.

worrisome December 14, 2013 at 1:49 pm

I understand your misery with animals BC. They all have souls, despite protests and studies to the contrary. We are going to do chickens and rabbits. And we will have trouble with the rabbits….and we are going to add a couple of goats for milk only.

As for the rest, right up until Doomsday, I will buy meat on sale and can, smoke, dehydrate and rotate until the last possible moment. However, Nephew and BIL did each get a dear this year. But I didn’t have to see that happen. I used to hunt and am a good shot, but unless I need the meat, I am going to pass for now.

GA Red December 14, 2013 at 2:55 pm

I don’t hunt but my brothers and one SIL do. The brother married to the hunter leaves most of the killing to her. He has a hard time with it but both brothers hunt to feed their families – pretty much have to in order to afford food.

axelsteve December 14, 2013 at 6:27 pm

If anyone says that animals do not have souls,they must be decendants of past idiots that claimed that nigras do not have souls.

Michele December 16, 2013 at 10:18 am


You are so right about animals having souls, and all ‘go to heaven’. Call me crazy if you like, but I’ve taken an animal communication class, and ‘talked’ to animals ‘on the other side’.

Animals on the other side are amazingly matter of fact about their demise. One of the people in the class talked to my chicken (a cute, and very tame little Silkie) to ask what happened to her – she just disappeared. The chicken stated that she was “just part of the food chain”.

But I agree with most of you, especially after ‘talking’ to animals, I would have a very hard time killing them – although, I am not sure how I’d feel if REALLY hungry, or if my grandchildren were REALLY hungry – but I suspect that I’d bless the animal, thank it for it’s gift to my family and do what was necessary.

Penrod December 14, 2013 at 2:37 pm

Hi, BC. I am at a comfortable place in prepping as well. Recently getting the 55 gallon water barrel, water filters for about 6,000 gallons, several cases of LDS canned goods, and cases of Mountain House entrees on top of what we already had pushed me over the top. We will continue adding, but now I’m comfortable in the belief that we can take care of ourselves after any reasonably expectable disaster. TEOTWAWKI, no. We can’t survive that here, but I hope that is low probability.

It feels good!

Rider of Rohan December 14, 2013 at 4:05 pm

Well, maybe I was raised in a different era or place, but I have no problem killing deer, antelope, elk, ducks, turkeys, pheasant, or any other animal for meat. My family has now killed 6 deer this year, a number of ducks, pheasant, turkey, and we have 2 freezers full of meat. I consider it a blessing.

And it is good for the deer and human population as well. We have millions of dollars of damage done to vehicles and many injured deer due to people hitting them all over my county. We had one guy hit one on a motorcycle, and both he and the deer were severely injured, with the deer put down. In another county over from us, a young lady was killed when she hit a deer and it came through her windshield. There are just WAY too many deer here, and they need to be thinned out. They should allow more hunting in my opinion.

I don’t hold it against anyone for not wanting to hunt or use animals, but there is a movement in this country to stop all hunting, and that’s not right. Sorry for the rant, but there’s some kind of a movement to ban everything these days, and it needs to be defeated. They even want to ban fire places and off-the-grid living. Here’s the links:



PGCPrepper December 14, 2013 at 4:30 pm

Nahh, same era. All my family did and I eat meat. But for me it’s not dissimilar to Ron White’s, “It’s four in the morning, it’s cold and I don’t wanna go” LOL.

I would if I had to. You’ll likely out-survive me.

Rider of Rohan December 14, 2013 at 4:43 pm

I guess all this ban everything crud is getting on my last nerve, and I sure don’t want to take it out on the Pack. I grew up poor, and I sure remember how good that fried chicken tasted on Sunday. That chicken my grandma raised free range, put in a little pen and fattened it up on corn, chopped its head off, then put it in hot water, plucked it and cut it up to fry. That was the best chicken I ever had. Never had any as good since then, either. My grandma was quite a woman, a real pioneer woman.

PGCPrepper December 14, 2013 at 5:05 pm

Your gramma was my gramma! Man, she knew how to make home made bisquits too. But that’s an aside.

Trust me, I know where you’re coming from.

riverrider December 14, 2013 at 5:10 pm

rider, don’t get me wrong, if/when i get hungry i’ll say a little prayer or do a little dance and pull the trigger. i think i’ve seen too much though as i believe most animals have a soul, and may be humans reincarnated. the hindus think we come back as plants and animals before we return as humans. i have seen animal do things that defy the scientific. so eat up, you’ll get no competition from me until i run out of beans :) and that’ll be a long time.

Rider of Rohan December 14, 2013 at 6:47 pm

LOL, I can tell you that eating beans gets old after a while. Army beans, Navy beans, pintos, black, refired, butter, lima, speckeled, I had them all growing up. They ain’t my favorite thing to eat.

sw't 'tater December 14, 2013 at 8:35 pm

For that home raised chicken flavor, try snake.cut across backbone, large ones look like pork chops, kinda…

worrisome December 14, 2013 at 5:36 pm

Rider, I would be able to kill and eat wild game much easier than anything I raised. And if hungry, I would go hunting myself instead of the boys doing it.

I turn everything into a pet! I haven’t given it a bath or two, scratched its ears for a bit, visited and had a conversation with it, nor named and tamed it. :) I am sure it would be a healthier animal if I raised it instead of buying it, but for the time being, it is a trade off. But right now, meat is still affordable so I buy it. We usually buy our beef from a local rancher, but I also buy stuff at the market if there is something there with a good price on it.

As far as fishing goes, I would have no trouble catching it, cleaning it and eating it, if it was a fish I like to eat. However, us west coast folks need to presently pay attention to Pacific Ocean fishing seeing as how Fukishima is affecting this ocean. Recently I read an article that 9 out of 9 tuna that had been tested had excess amounts of radiation. Whether the article was an honest article or not, I don’t know………..but it was certainly a heads up. Salmon also swim all the way over to Japan and back……….one of my faves…………….until I know someone is really checking I have no interest.

Rider of Rohan December 14, 2013 at 6:52 pm

I’m getting a little testy in my old age, worrisome. But when I read the article I linked about the woman getting kicked out of her own paid-for house because she was living off the grid, I got pretty angry. And knowing that the EPA is trying to outlaw wood-burning stoves and fireplaces hit me right between the eyes. I’m tired of these fricking commies telling me what I can or can’t do on my own land.

worrisome December 14, 2013 at 7:31 pm

I can so relate to that Rider…………and I understand. While we were all commenting on what softies we are getting to be, you were being the warrior, and rightfully, standing up for what’s right. You haven’t been on the blog maybe, but BC was talking about a pet chicken a couple of saturdays ago and that is what started it all.

My husband saved an old pig, he named her Martha…and she followed him around the whole year before he died…………then she got ill, I think with depression, and we had to put her down………nearly killed us! And so it goes, with trying to eat what we raise… :)(

axelsteve December 15, 2013 at 11:36 am

worrisome. You should not name food animals in the first place. My grandpa did that with a pig once. The only name he gave to his cows was old tex to the biggest one.

worrisome December 15, 2013 at 12:28 pm

You are right Axel….you should not name them.

k. fields December 15, 2013 at 3:37 pm

I agree that depersonalization always makes animals (or even people) easier to kill, but I don’t feel that it is an honest way to live life.
If you are on a small holding and raising animals for your own consumption, give them the same respect and even love that you give the other creatures who are a part of your life. They are giving their lives so you can live – you can, at the very least, give them the recognition of being an individual.

Kris December 24, 2013 at 9:46 pm

I do agree with k. On that matter most of what I started my farm with we’re raised on a bottle fed from my own hand. I do all of my own meat processing, and I must say I have only ever had one animal that was meant for meat I could not kill and she took her place as a breeder. I was raised with a notion that everything has a purpose.

Dog Log December 15, 2013 at 1:02 am

@RoR ” I’m tired of these fricking commies telling me what I can or can’t do on my own land. ”

AMEN Rider!!!

Patti December 15, 2013 at 11:48 pm

RoR, I agree completely. This is my piece of dirt, why can’t I decide what happens here?

Mary in GA December 15, 2013 at 4:48 pm

R of R,
I agree with you, I have no problem with hunting, slaughtering or butchering. Not along ago my DH and I killed and processed some roosters and recently, slaughtered and cooked one of our pigs for a cook-out. My husband rarely deer hunts anymore (the cold weather and his arthritis don’t mix well), but our off-spring do a lot of it. I have never had any trouble cleaning fish, and recently fried up some delish crappie (from our pond) and hushpuppies!
Some people do change though, I have a relative that probably never bought meat for years, he got several deer each year, and could fill a freezer with bass and bream faster than you could believe. Now, he will barely swat a fly, LOL! He has no problem with others doing it at all, he just says he doesn’t want to anymore.
I am thoroughly disgusted with this ban fireplaces thing, I’ve read about it and can’t believe it. I also read an article this morning about a lady in Florida who doesn’t have power or water (by choice), even though it’s available where she lives, and her city codes people are trying to say her home is uninhabitable because she doesn’t have it. Geesh!

Michele December 16, 2013 at 10:21 am

After having those nasty long legged rodents dessimate my flowers and garden, I agree – issue more doe permits. I may not be able to kill them myself, but my son’s have no problem with it.

k. fields December 14, 2013 at 4:15 pm

These comments on meat have been interesting for me to read but they also sadden me. For those of you who eat meat but are unwilling to process your own, how do you reconcile the fact that animals you raise yourself would have a much better life and a much better death than those who’s meat you purchase in your local supermarket?
I don’t eat meat so maybe I’m missing something, but I have seen commercial feed lots and once toured a commercial slaughter house and I simply don’t understand how allowing animals to be treated THAT way is better for your karma than raising and slaughtering them yourself.
Yes, I raise animals for meat, yes, I slaughter every animal I raise myself before handing the carcass’ of the larger breeds to a butcher to process, and yes, it’s damn difficult do do because I too feel that every creature has a soul – but I know my animals have had a great life right up to the moment I personally look them in the eye and end it.
I’m not trying to make any point or trying to upset anyone but I really am interested in knowing how can you eat meat and feel the commercial way is better?

bctruck December 14, 2013 at 4:33 pm

im convinced it not better. i also know that i cant be a vegan,ive tried. i have chickens that i am treating like pets. i love the eggs. i had one die for no reason a while back and it really bothered me to lose it. i buried it. i dont say its better to eat animals that are raised in horrid conditions,i just cant kill them myself. the only other alternative for me is to not eat.

PGCPrepper December 14, 2013 at 5:01 pm

320 million Americans; not to mention the whole world’s population. Me raising my own beef and killing it myself will not make a dent in the suffering we inflict. That number of people simply would not be fed if self reliance were required in the name of “humane slaughter.” < sounds like a contradiction in terms.

Remember, the EBT'ers ands many others think food grows on the grocery shelves. When that ceases to be, some of us will do what we need to do, or not. I know how.

I think I read a whole series of comments that wild game will be scarce if we still believe that the "whatever horde" will run for the hills and deplete the game. A great skill you have but is it necessary? All debatable and was debated.

In the best of all worlds we could all be self reliant and I long for the past…as hard as it was sometimes, but we have surpassed the law of diminishing returns when we consider that animals will not suffer in these "slaughter houses" due to population growth IMO. I do applaud you though… and your ability. I just stock food, and ammo, and will use one first and the other second if game is left. I surmise, logically I think, that game will be left as I don't believe as you likely believe that we are of the same "stock" as previous generations and as said in previous posts, city folks will likely just die in place waiting on TDL to save them as they burglarize the ABC stores and the big screens and such. But I digress.

k. fields December 14, 2013 at 7:09 pm

PGCPrepper, I don’t feel you were digressing at all.
As you say, mechanization is necessary to feed the world’s population and a lot (if not most) of the EBTers don’t really make the connection between a cow in the field and the plastic wrapped steak in the supermarket. I didn’t mean to imply that I feel everyone should slaughter there own animals.
But it was the comments made to the effect that a person is somehow more compassionate if they don’t kill their own meat and rely instead on purchasing it. That’s what I was interested in – on a personal level from folks here who know the realities of life – from folks who COULD but somehow felt better about themselves that they didn’t.

Aunt B December 15, 2013 at 9:16 am

Back in the 1970′s, we were trying to be as self-sufficient as we could. We raised rabbits for food. My husband always had something else that had to be done when it was time to butcher the rabbits, so it fell to me to do it. Later he told me that he couldn’t understand how I could be so cruel and heartless. He didn’t understand the concept of “It has to be done, so do it”. I hated it but now I know I can if I have to.

Rider of Rohan December 15, 2013 at 10:11 am

As you know, k. fields, killing, gutting, cleaning and cutting up and tenderizing the meat from an animal is a nasty job. The bigger the animal, the nastier the job.

I well remember when my grandpa killed a beef, all the men in the neighborhood showed up to help, and he returned the favor. My grandpa and grandma in Arkansas killed hogs, and you know the routine was a little different, but cleaning guts for chitlins and sausage making was the part where they used every bit of the animal. Hoghead cheese, cracklins, etc. are things our grandparents used that we shun today in the time of plenty.

Accordingly, I don’t blame people for not wanting to do the kind of work necessary in the past. Part of advancing civilization is a specialization of labor, with some people being able to do things more efficiently or better than others. The show “Dirty Jobs” is a great example of what I’m talking about. I’m digressing, but I think you know what I mean. You’re point is well made, I admit, but sometimes we all enjoy the labor of others doing things we either can’t or don’t want to do. The plumber handling the backup from bathroom sewage is a good example.

k. fields December 15, 2013 at 2:55 pm

ROR – I agree with what you’ve said, and I certainly don’t think less of folks who don’t clean their own septic tank or grow their own vegetables because of having to work in the dirt or even walk their own dogs because they don’t want to have to pick up after them – everyone has their own place of comfort. But when people describe themselves as somehow superior – more compassionate, have better karma, whatever – simply because they rely on others to do those “dirty jobs” for them, that saddens and even worries me.

Patti December 15, 2013 at 11:54 pm

I hear your point. It is a sad commentary.

Where I live there isn’t much hunting, so I don’t get to hunt much. However, it is an important skill, so I took my boy home to Texas when he was 12 to learn to hunt and prepare meat with my brother. Necessary skills were learned and relationships were strengthened. I believe that was an important part of his education.

axelsteve December 15, 2013 at 11:47 am

K I have never slaughtered an animal. I have though put down 2 of my beloved springer spanials. ONe was 12 and blind and deaf.He kept track of me by smell. The other one was in pain from cancer.I took them on a last walk in the countryside and shot them myself. The last thing I wanted was there last hour scared in a vet office. There last day was a happy good day. I buried them in my back yard.I epoxied there dog tag to a flat rock for a grave marker.I told my boys that some day there mom is going to take me for a walk.

k. fields December 15, 2013 at 3:41 pm

That’s how it should be, giving them the respect they deserve. My hat’s off to you.

Patti December 15, 2013 at 11:56 pm

That was not easy for you, I know. The right path is often difficult, but the right man will usually take it anyway. God bless.

MentalMatt December 14, 2013 at 11:46 am

Not too many preps as I’m working on getting Christmas shopping, finished and preparing for my annual Christmas day blow out. It’s been a tradition of mine for years. Michele I’m going to buy that sinus spray you recommend I also get sinus infections every year. Hey just as a thought to the pack, please use extra caution during this time of the year. Tis the season to be robbing, as we say here in the “D”. This is the time of the year home invasions, and robberies are at there highest. Keep your eyes on your surroundings not on your cell phone while you walk and text. Leave some lights on at home. Don’t leave your blinds open when your gone, if the bad guy can look into your house, he can see if it’s worth breaking into or not. Lock your car doors, I had to learn that the hard way.. Stay frosty….

Rider of Rohan December 14, 2013 at 4:10 pm

Thanks, that’s good advice for every day of the year, Matt. Watch your six, and stay frosty yourself. Hasn’t been to difficult to do these days. It’s 46 here today, and that’s a heat wave. I can just imagine what it is in the “D”. You would think the severe cold would slow the criminals up a little bit.

Merry Christmas.

Ronald December 14, 2013 at 11:53 am

Hi all, Well I finally got my cree flashlights in that I ordered about a month ago, and a bottle of PRI-D came in to along with you guessed it 10 lb.s sugar (yep still filling) the flashlights are nice as xmas presents.The survival prep store is going out of business already whats it been 2 mo.s. I’ll miss it. Next week I’ll be going to the gunshow at K.C.I. international expo center (hope to find another rg .22 revolver). Wel that’s it for this week, have a good week pack.

Gunk December 14, 2013 at 12:34 pm

Ronald, what survival prep store are you talking about? In K.C.? Didn’t know there was one here. Have they closed or having a going out-of-business sale? I’ll miss the show, have Christmas with family that weekend. Darn.

Ronald December 14, 2013 at 1:09 pm

The survival prep store in the big metropolis of Parkville Mo. I guess that they are having a sale today (sat.) Shawn hasn’t been feeling well lately so it’s anyones guess.

Ronald December 14, 2013 at 1:20 pm

Pardon me, heres the number for the s.p. store 816-741-5515

canadagal December 14, 2013 at 11:53 am

I’m sure glad we’ve got global warming. Just think of how cold it would be if we didn’t. LOL. Up here in Canada it’s been right crisp for over a week but tomorrow it is supposed to warm up for about 3 days & then plummet again.

We had to go back to the city to return the defective Christmas present we bought each other. (scroll saw) Since the defective part is no longer available we didn’t buy another one. Need to do more research on a better one. Any ideas anyone? Since it is just for fun & not business we don’t want to invest the whole farm.

While out we bought a bunch more dried fruit, some 25% off, 2 kinds of bulk cocoa, medicinal & fragrence oils, aloa vera gel & even some frankinsense & myrrh crystals. Those last 2 are to show the grandchildren the gifts of the Wise Men.

Next Sat we leave to spend a few days with family. Have a joyous Christmas everyone & if possible help out the less fortunate during this season of joy.

Hunker-Down December 14, 2013 at 12:28 pm

I hope the pack remedies work for you, and our prayers will also.

Last Wednesday around 6PM the temperature was minus seven so I used the outside cold to temporarily store the contents of our basement freezer in the back of our pickup. The food stayed there overnight while I defrosted the freezer and lugged the food back into the basement the next morning. It’s the first time in my life that I ever got any good out of cold.

Does anyone know how the Wisconsin family in the overturned car survived by burning their spare tire? How do you start a tire on fire with what may be available in your car?

Don’t forget “Fast and Furious”; Eric Holder is still not in jail.
Don’t forget Benghazi. Hillary will want your vote.

riverrider December 14, 2013 at 1:09 pm

they warmed rocks to cuddle up with. tires burn easy and hot, just let the air out first or boom! best if you have a sturdy knife of saw to cut the sidewalls into strips instead of burning the whole tire at once. i imagine since the jeep was bottom upwards gas was easy to get from the tank. you can cut strips of upholstry,lite them to get the tire started. i read they had some gear n supplies with them for a change. if not the battery will start a fire.

worrisome December 14, 2013 at 1:46 pm

They were in Nevada, not Wisconsin at about 7,000 feet. They used the tire as a fire ring…added dead wood from the area…agreed they probably used gas out of the jeep as fuel. That family did a lot right for not having brought a whole lot of stuff along with them.

GA Red December 14, 2013 at 3:00 pm

After the DH’s experience trying to fix the fuel pump on the mini-van, I don’t know how anyone could get gas out of a gas tank these days. The van’s is designed for anti-theft and that sucker really works.

axelsteve December 15, 2013 at 11:51 am

Being a jeep I would have a spare 5 gallon can or 2 for gas.

Hunker-Down December 14, 2013 at 3:39 pm

Thanks guys. Maybe we should start carrying a syphon hose to get fuel from our own tank and carry a few empty bottles and some rags. You know, just for signal fires.:-)

Rider of Rohan December 14, 2013 at 4:15 pm

I have a siphon pump in all my vehicles, HD. Bought them at the local ranch store, but Wally or Costco probably has one in the auto department. $7.00 each.

mom of three December 14, 2013 at 12:35 pm

I found four brand new 1 dozen lids, screw bands for my canning from our local Salvation Army, store never can have to many. Bought four 1 gallon jugs of water . Bought my daughter &son cargo pants, and jeans.
Right now I am replenishing what I have used keeping it at a hold for now.
I will be working on my laundry space getting rid of stuff I don’t need to make more room for supplies wish me luck.

Aunt B December 15, 2013 at 9:24 am

I got a pair of jeans at Goodwill that were a perfect fit, and found a beautiful wool shirt for my son. The price was great!

Papabear December 14, 2013 at 12:37 pm

No real preps here the past couple of weeks. This week was difficult as a nasty cold struck yours truely plus many at work. It’s tough to work outdoors in the weather when you feel rotten.

My car is still out of commission. My very generous employer is letting me use a company vehicle with most of the gas paid. That has been a huge blessing, and a savings. It will let me afford the needed part.

My wife continues to recover from surgery. Her attitude is back. Guess that means she is feeling better. We are trying to work out a payment solution with the hospital. Chemo will be a pay as you go deal.

GS2 came down with pneumonia this week. Startling since he is not quite 8 months old.

worrisome December 14, 2013 at 1:54 pm

PapaBear, what a run of terrible luck! You are having your own personal shtf! Prayers to you and to your wife! We will all be pulling for her!

bctruck December 14, 2013 at 2:17 pm

prayers for you brother! just went through a very similar thing with my wife.

Becky December 14, 2013 at 5:58 pm

Papa Bear
When my sister worked at a hospital but did not have insurance through them, and her hubby ended up in the ER. She went to the billing office, they did not have $20k to pay the hospital, but she offered them what the insurance companies would have paid for the same services. She also set it up on a payment plan while she was negotiating . Check with the billing department before you start Chemo and see if you can get the same kind of payment plan for your wife. I realize we are talking about different states, but money is money to a hospital. It does not hurt to ask.

Col. D December 14, 2013 at 11:24 pm

Papa bear, sorry to hear about your wife. Most pharmaceutical companies will provide free med’s to people who are unable to afford them including chemo medications. Have one of the nurses in her oncologist’s office help her get signed up for medications from the pharmaceutical companies. Even if you think you won’t qualify try anyway, many dr’s offices are very helpful in such matters and I hope she does well on chemo, we understand how unpleasant that situation must be for you and your family.

Patti December 15, 2013 at 11:39 pm

Papabear, Definitely praying for you and yours.

Papabear December 16, 2013 at 12:29 pm

Thank You my Friends for the prayers and concern. We are applying to the hospital for charity. It means filling out a lot of financial paperwork with proof. But if approved they will reduce the bill by 45%. They will also report the reduction to the IRS as a gift but the tax consequence is much smaller.

I’ve learned years ago that it is pointless to get frustrated and anxious at times like these. There are blessings hidden within all the difficulties. I prefer to focus on the blessings. All of you are a blessing to me.

moonstone December 14, 2013 at 12:43 pm

Michele That was so Awesome. You are right Our bodies are our temples. Love and respect that temple for yourself and to honor our God. Amen

suzy q December 14, 2013 at 12:43 pm

The doctors have scheduled surgery for the first full week in January, so that means working as much as possible in the next few weeks to try to have bills paid in advance (6 weeks off from work), making sure that the preps for the cats are done and cleaning everything in sight. And trying to save OPSEC by hiding what I can (unfortunately, I have some noisy people in my life).

Teresa December 14, 2013 at 12:45 pm

I feel like I didn’t get much accomplished this week. It is, after all Christmas time.
However, I did manage to buy two books on prepping and have read through one. As a newbie prepper, I have a lot to learn.
I spoke to my in-laws about prepping, in hopes that it plants a seed to begin prepping themselves. I adore them and want them to survive when the SHTF.
We actually got the bug out bag (that I made a couple of weeks ago for the car) into the car. :) I also took advantage of the holiday season to buy a roadside kit for the car. Everyday emergencies are something to prepare for as well as SHTF ones. I feel better knowing that we have the car almost ready for an emergency.

Next weeks goals…Read, read, read. And water storage.

Merry Christmas fellow preppers!
Prep on!

Penrod December 14, 2013 at 2:59 pm

Good going on the car kits, Teresa.

Your comments, and all the snow in New England reminded me of the big New England blizzard of 1978. I was was visiting my sister outside Boston at the time, and we were up on the roof shoveling snow so it wouldn’t collapse. Thousands of cars were buried in snow on the highways, people died in their cars. Houses were without electricity, heat or water.

At the Wikipedia entry says: ” People perished on Interstate 95 outside Boston as snow piled high enough to prevent the exhaust from escaping from their idling vehicles. Interstate 95 eventually had to be evacuated by cross-country skiers and snowmobilers. More than 3,500 cars were found abandoned and buried in the middle of roads during the clean-up effort.”

Anybody in the northern states might well want to read it all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeastern_United_States_blizzard_of_1978

Food, warm clothes, and heat are critically important. You never know when a routine drive can land you in a snowdrift for a day or three.

Bam Bam December 14, 2013 at 12:48 pm

Sorry to hear you’ve been under the weather, M.D. Prays go out to you. Let’s see, what did I do this week? I ordered and received some Bactrim for my fishes. I ordered five pairs of jeans from Ebay–for under $50. After reading the unmentionables article, I ordered some unmentionables.

Harry the hat December 14, 2013 at 1:25 pm

Greetings fellow readers,

I have been able to find 22′s and finally 9mm. We have picked up survival radios as gifts for my family as gift presets.

I continue to improve my writing gets better as 7 months as my stroke. My speech is improving but I still get up on words or names. But I am truly blessed by all of the prayers and the return to my school bus. The children are great and are glad to have their bus driver back.

God Bless,

Harry the hat

worrisome December 14, 2013 at 1:51 pm

Harry glad to see you are continuing to work on improving! Big job getting over a bad stroke, but bless you, I love seeing you comment here and that you are still working on self sufficiency! Prayers!

bctruck December 14, 2013 at 2:20 pm

good to see you back harry! glad you are back at work also.

Penrod December 14, 2013 at 3:02 pm

Good going, Harry. I hope you have a wonderful Christmas.


Hunker-Down December 14, 2013 at 3:42 pm

Wow, that’s a lot of progress Harry. Way to go!!!

Rider of Rohan December 14, 2013 at 4:19 pm

Wow, the answer to prayers. To be back at work is a blessing for you and your students. Nice to see you recovering so well.

Becky December 14, 2013 at 6:02 pm

Harry the Hat
Have so missed your posting, how wonderful to hear you are doing better every day. You and your family have a joyous and very Merry Christmas.

Patti December 15, 2013 at 11:38 pm

Good to hear that you are still driving you bus! Take care and keep us posted on your progress.

Just Me December 14, 2013 at 1:48 pm

Made a medical kit using fishing tackle boxes – similar to the one on the bowl full of lemons site that somebody here recommended a few weeks back. Their kit didn’t include anything for burns, but that is mostly the injury we get when camping, so I added our burn free kit from EE to the bag.
I’m making soup and meal mixes for presents using dehydrated stored food. It gives me an opportunity to try out new recipes and rotate the stored food. I bought the soup book from Harmony House-they have a $25 off deal and free shipping if over $99. Code is MERRY. The book has some interesting looking ingredients, but they all have the same directions – simmer for 30 minutes, which some things seem really mushy after 30 minutes, so now I’m trying to figure out tastier cooking times.

ozhillbilly December 14, 2013 at 2:11 pm

Hi Pack. Get well M.D.

With the weather doing the winter thing I’ve been cooped up a lot lately. We did get news from the closing agent this week that the kids who bought our place are very happy and have been painting, remodeling, etc. like crazy so they could move in by the end of the year when their lease expires. That was a load off my mind as we sold this place as is with no guarantee but you always worry about the worse case scenario happening. Anyway, now I feel comfortable moving forward and not worrying about it.

My prepping this week has included purchasing a Phantom Warrior flashlight, a roll of silver dimes and a couple of books, Lee’s Priceless Recipes by N.T. Oliver and The Vegetable Gardener’s Bible by Edward Smith. Seems I’ve forgotten something but it’s because I’m getting old I guess. I’ve also been studying, reading and studying some more.

Have you heard that Loretta Fuddy died Wednesday, 11 December in a plane crash? What is Ms. Fuddy’s claim to fame you ask? As I understand it, she is the Director of Hawaii’s Health Department and was the official that certified B.O.’s birth certificate. If one was a suspicious sort, one might conclude B.O. has picked up some of the Clinton’s bad habits.

Penrod December 14, 2013 at 3:09 pm

Hi ozhillbilly, A friend of ours was supposed to be on that flight, but Loretta Fuddy told him he didn’t need to. I think he is feeling a bit thoughtful about how small decisions can change lives.

The reports we hear are that there was a loud Bang! and the engine stopped dead. Pilot did a good job of turning toward shore as they glided down, and landed well on open ocean. He got a cut on his forehead from impact, but he made them all get out first, then followed.

Apparently everyone made it into the water OK, got their life jackets on, and were floating, waiting for the rescue crews when she just expired. The theory at the moment is that she had a heart attack.

Becky December 14, 2013 at 6:11 pm

Yes, I know who and what you are talking about on Ms. Fuddy. Amazing she is the only one that died in the plane crash, an everyone else was just fine…..You want to know more, go to the archives of Agenda 21 radio on Thursday 12th believe it was the shows first hour, and the 2nd wasn’t bad either. Almost forgot to do my shopping I was so glued to the discussion.

zartanyon December 14, 2013 at 2:15 pm

The only thing I do I prepping is to maintane my supplies.
I have prepared for 25 + years practicly as possible.
Here’s how:
Supposably a house is already there.
1. Buy a minimum of 5 to 10 acres out in the country, preferably with water access & trees.
2. Put in a well apart from and county water supply.
3. Put up chicken coops with containment cage fencing. (Figure in how many chickens, and turkeys you will need to supply you with food).
4. Put in proper long term fencing for other animals.
5. Learn to process your animals for food as needed.
6. Do not forget to build a 1 year supply of emergency food.
7. Secure a large garden area. Learn to can your own food for year around supplies.
8. Get backup propane generation system for your needs. (I have five 1,000 gallon tanks gor my needs other than other fuel needs)
9. Aquire all the tools and equipment you will need to use for your new farm.
10. While reaching your goal you will fine tue it to your needs.
I now have a self contained ranch farm with everything that is necessary.
It all started by taking that first step, get out of the city!

Bam Bam December 14, 2013 at 2:28 pm


I haven’t seen you post before. Welcome.

patientmomma December 14, 2013 at 4:30 pm

I appreciate a lesson on how you create a propane generation system. I have a couple of tanks but have no clue how to generate propane.

worrisome December 14, 2013 at 4:46 pm

patient momma, she is using a propane generator. propane does not go bad like gas does, once you buy it and it is in your tank, you are good to go until it runs out. I use a propane generator here at my house. Most natural gas generators come with the change out hardware to work on propane.

patientmomma December 14, 2013 at 6:35 pm

OH, OK! I got it now-I’m a little slow…. Propane Generator, not propane generation. I thought you were talking about making your own propane!! HA!
I also have a standby generator which runs on propane.

k. fields December 14, 2013 at 7:29 pm

You CAN generate your own propane substitute (acetylene) by using carbide and water but it will be a low pressure system. Such “plants” used to be available for purchase (they work great for operating a cook stove during hot summer months when you don’t want to fire up your wood burning stove) but I haven’t seen one advertised for years now – they are probably now outlawed as unsafe. They are simple to make though.

GA Red December 14, 2013 at 2:20 pm

Just nip it. Nip it good. (For some reason Devo ran through my head when I read what you wrote.) I hope you feel better soon. I used to have lots of sinus infections then started taking Claritin every day. When that stopped working, I had allergy testing done and switched to Allegra. When that stopped working, I did allergy testing again and started allergy therapy (drops, not shots). I am beginning to notice that the allergies are not as bad even though I continue to need the Allegra. I didn’t take it for over three months though. The doc says three to five years of drops and the allergies will be gone.

For prepping, I am continuing with light workouts, walking and yoga. I had to start taking an anti-inflammatory for the back/hip, but that is curbing the nightly pain so I can sleep. It’s getting better slowly, but surely.

Today we are working on cleaning, organizing and rearranging the house more. I have a load to take to Goodwill ready to go. The DH is napping because we’ve been up since before 4:30am to get this work done. I’m washing clothes we found while cleaning that still fit him too. I also saved a couple pair of his smaller jeans to wear for myself. One pair looks like grandma jeans on me but the other pair looks ok. The DH says I could probably get away with wearing the second pair in public. :-)

Food storage purchases will likely be light for the next month as holiday food shopping and gifts take precedence this time of year. I have been buying many of the things we use regularly all along, so this year is not as tight as in years past.

I hope everyone is having a good December!

GA Red December 14, 2013 at 3:09 pm

I would also recommend Tazo Organic Chai tea. The spices in the tea help relieve congestion and keep everything flowing.

One more prepping item – we told Comcast where to go! No more cable! We can get what we want via broadcast signal or Netflix. Woo Hoo!

19Pinky67 December 14, 2013 at 2:26 pm

We didn’t get very much actual prepping done this week. But, we have pretty much finalized our plans for building a coop and pen and finally purchasing chickens. We have been wanting chickens for a few years now, but finances have not allowed it. I ordered several heirloom seed catalogs, since it’s getting close to seed-starting time. We got the new ground broken for our garden expansion, just in time for the snow to come and cover it up. Maybe this means we will have fewer weeds this coming year! LOL Season’s Greetings, Pack!!

sw't 'tater December 14, 2013 at 2:42 pm

Slow and Steady here,.
…another 5 gallons of water, in long term storage. Bought some first aide supplies, sterile 4×4′s and clean 4×4′s, bandaids,steri strips, peroxide, green and clear alcohol, diarrhea pills,tylenol, ibuprophen ,
….48 oz cooking oil, 2-24 oz coconut oil..
…few splurge items, two bags of mini candy bars and three bags of hard candies. 3 bags of dehydrated fruit mix.
…..Bought ten boxes of kleenex, but that is definitely a short term item when the sick are using a box every other day! received the monthly shipment of “sick one” supplies.
Christmas,? not so much, no kids at home. will put up the tree ..might get it done today or tomorrow..to put a few wrapped boxes in…still don’t know what I’m put in the boxes.,but will find something, always do…later..
Pack..Have a good week,
Keep on praying for ourselves, the Pack, our nation and it’s leaders..in what ever manner you sincerely can. Don’t take your eye off all the real events, and don’t focus solely on the “talking points” of the day.Be careful to consider the “unintended consequeces” of every position put forth, every plan has them..listen and think for yourself. sheeple don’t think, when they do they cease being sheeple.
ToThose who have recently awakened from the stupor of indifference…do as much as you can , as quickly as possible.The bubble is getting larger and the walls are thinner.a good place for info is the archives of this blog, choose your topic, or your date and read, learn, taking notes on thing s you can use.

Ronald December 14, 2013 at 5:17 pm

Hey sw’t tater how is your mother doing?

sw't 'tater December 14, 2013 at 8:52 pm

She is coming along slowly, finally.looks like she has whipped the infections. can flex ankle and move fingers on affected side.still too weak to stand on good leg, but is making progress. Thanks

Ronald December 14, 2013 at 10:04 pm

Nice to know.

George December 14, 2013 at 2:42 pm

M.D I used to have a lot of sinus problems and congestion in the winter til I started to use neti pot every morning and washed out my sinuses, seemed to wash out all that nasty stuff.

Been finishing my xmas shopping so not a lot in the prepping front.
Did order book 7 of the 299 days series and also ordered a book on one person construction techniques for the day if I ever have to build my cabin. Plus some eneloop size D converters for my AA rechargeables.

Curtiss December 14, 2013 at 2:48 pm

Netti pot is ok, Neil med has a bottle you fill and squeeze to push the water throughDon’t over pressure your sinuses! I think it works a lot better than the pot. I also would recommend vitamin D-3 and local honey, they have helped me tremendously, my nose hasn’t been this clear in years.

Aunt B December 15, 2013 at 9:49 am

Neti pot works wonders for me, and all my family that I can convince to try it.LOL

axelsteve December 15, 2013 at 12:13 pm

Kinda reminds me of waterboarding.

Michele December 16, 2013 at 10:40 am


I’ve been thinking about reading the 299 days series – I take it you like it?

Comments would be appreciated.

Curtiss December 14, 2013 at 2:45 pm

I added two plum trees, and a persimmon tree to my edible landscape. I planted 12 cabbage plants, 8 cauliflower, and 4 brussel sprouts to my raised beds. put another bottle of fish mix in my med stores, and got two bales of hay from the feed store to insulate my cassava and moorings trees from the freezes. Went to the Ham fest In Ocala, Florida this morning, Got two cigarette lighter adapters with 12 gauge wire and alligator clips. now i have to remove the 32 gallon gas tank from an old truck and put it in my shed, i will fill it and then have an extra 32 gallons of gas for the generator. And i can pump the fuel out with the electric fuel pump using the cigarette lighter socket on my battery jump box.

Nebraska Woman December 14, 2013 at 2:47 pm

Sorry MD for your sickness…sucks, doesn’t it?

I have lived my life with several ideals (ie. tell the truth, be kind etc.) I never had the courts, lawyers, government etc. involved in my affairs. Never. But this week I had to sit through meetings with lawyers who sound sooooo self-important telling me what I can expect and what I can’t. with. my. own. money. that. I. have. earned. That was harder than when I had cancer in my 30′s.
Anyway, the ex offered to sign away his share of my property with a lien aginst it saying if I ever sold it, he would get 50%. Of course he would not ever look at me in the eye.
I’m like Scarlett O’Hara. Before she would give up Tara she swore she would salt every square foot of soil and burn everything else. Thanks to prepping I do have lots of sodium chloride and matches.
So my prepping consisted mainly of holding onto what is mine.
I did order Tattlers and got my Mountain House entrees suggested by the pack.
If you get a chance, go to the blaze and listen to some good music. Music does seem to get me through the doldrums and into my usual good humor.
Have a great week, and Michele, you did a wonderful thing.

Nebraska Woman December 14, 2013 at 2:53 pm

oops it’s wnd.com for the music.

Becky December 14, 2013 at 5:04 pm

Nebraska Women
If you run out of salt let us know, we can ship you more before that old turd thinks he will get one square inch of your place.
You could offer his attorney two pennies to rub together. :-)

Nebraska Woman December 14, 2013 at 6:58 pm

You know, I am so in strict sympathy with anyone who is divorcing. Seriously. The problem here is we funded his retirement accounts and I stopped my roth. I knew I would have the pension and he wouldn’t.
Oh, well, no more whining. I know men out there have had the same problems as I and many women preppers have been left with nothing. We will all get there and be happy and live well!
I just came in from a great concert at the library and am filled with good cheer.
PS Lawyers want more than pennies now…

Patti December 15, 2013 at 11:34 pm

So very sorry. It is an awful spot for you to be in. Hard to work yourself to death while you are married and then have the bloodsucker try to steal what’s left when you finally break free.

Goldielocks December 14, 2013 at 2:47 pm

Zart- you are so right on! I am finishing up building my house on 60 acres. have 2 years worth of food more or less. will be putting in fruit trees and berries, grapes and garden in spring. Exhausting to do at my age but so rewarding! Learning to plow the road, now that’s an adventure. Will have a chicken coop also. Plan on a couple head of hamburgers and steak. Thanks all for your posts. I love reading them.

Seamus Finn December 14, 2013 at 2:56 pm

Well it’s been a slow week for the preps. See, I have to weeks of exams for the end of the semester, and I need to study a lot. I fear I might fail Microeconomics (though I have 92% average in Macroeconomics O.o) and there’s a Statistics exam next friday that freaks me out, ‘cuz I’m terribly bad with maths. Teacher’s only 2 years older than me (what a shock!), told me I only needed 57.5% to pass. I’m sure I can make it, but HECK, I’m stressed! Politics exam went well ; I only needed 6/40 to make it =)

So for the preps :

- Ordered conflicted.
- Bought a couple more LED, AA-batteries flashlights at the dollarstore. You never have enough light, and you can trade those quite easily.
- Asked my father-in-law about alternative heating solutions for an appartment. It ain’t good news. Any power failure in winter (specialy with the -37 celcius we’re having right now every night…) would force me to but out to the BOL, where there are several wood stoves. I don’t like it, but it doesn’t look like I really have a choice.
- Went archeologist and found my old winter boots and coat. The coat is goose-feather stuffed and withstands -60 celcius and the boots are soft-soled, fur-laced walking boots that can take -50. The coat makes me look morbidly obese and I don’t like soft soles, but when you walk in deep snow, it feels better than regular boots. Also sticks better to ice.
- DW found my thermal underwears in a box of old clothes. She is now divine, godlike, IMO, and I wear them all the time. Goddess DW wants to wash them ; little me shan’t take them off. I NEED to buy another set, so I can wash one, wear one.
- Added couple cans to my getting-smaller-all-the-time deep larder. Eh, I’m still poor, but I still need to eat. Will replace most of it as soon as I get moar money!
- Shared a couple free kindle books on my blog. They’re ALL written in english, so feel free to click on my name to see the article with the links.
- Was offered to give a conference about survival, next summer. It’ll be “Preparedness 101 for dummies” but should be fun. Can’t wait ’til the geekfest now!
- Gave a friend of mine (and his GF) little comfort packs for their soon-to-be BOBs. It’s just an MRE zip-lock bag with couple matchbooks, instant coffee packets, gum, powdered drinks, peanut butter pouches, sugar and coffee whitener. Nothing incredible. Mine contains chicken broth powder, Gluc-4 sugar caplets, matchbooks and plastic ustentils.

By the way, it’s nice to EDC a pillbox stuffed HARD with chicken broth powder, so when it’s cold, you have some handy comforting stuff to drink =) I also EDC teabags ^^

That’s about it!

Tomthetinker December 14, 2013 at 3:10 pm

MD… We will burn some sage for your relief Sir. Mommasan and I send you this mild distraction… one to soothe your mind and Sinus cavities… one to show the ‘Pack’ that a group of old boys and girls can still stand up and move. (watch the percussionist in the white shirt and sun glasses doing Wah Wah…. not to mention the chubbing bald guy doing center drums.)
http://www.Youtube.com Concert for George, “My sweet lord / Wah Wah

Michele December 16, 2013 at 10:47 am


I bought The Concert for George right after it came out – INCREDIBLE.

lurker judith December 14, 2013 at 3:11 pm

Sorry you are sick M.D. I saw this morning that your area is really getting clobbered by that storm. You got a lot of good advice for the sinus infection. One thing I discovered last year that cleaned up my chronic infections was that a lot of sinus infections are fungal in nature and not bacterial. Anyway the suggestion was to take Bromelain capsules on an empty stomach because they are a digestive enzyme.
I couldn’t believe how fast my problem cleared up.

For preps this week DH is still planting onions. The neighbors will love us next summer.
I added 2 cases of wine
Organic raisins
10 more lbs of pistachios
Spent one whole day going through my trade goods (clothing) and gave three boxes to a family of 12 whose house burnt down.
Then we tried to figure out a way to get the message out to people with these prefab fireplaces that you can’t burn wood in them. Thought maybe a program at the schools.

Added dental floss etc. to health supplies and I guess that is it for me.

Merry Christmas everyone

GA Red December 14, 2013 at 3:13 pm

And one more remedy for you – generic Airborne with a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar every morning. I have a friend who used to get at least three sinus infections by Christmas every Fall and hasn’t had one yet. One side effect – her cholesterol is down too.

Becky December 14, 2013 at 4:42 pm

GA Red
Does one have to take the airborne very day or just as the symptoms start to appear? Sister suffers from sinus infections something awful.

GA Red December 14, 2013 at 7:57 pm

My friend takes it every day with the vinegar. Her doctor suggested to her after his wife had success with the same remedy. Just one each morning. She likes the generic orange flavor from Kroger.

Ron December 14, 2013 at 3:24 pm

Got 2 LDS starter kits in this week. I think my OPSEC is blown with the RV Park Manager. He asked JoJo, my beautiful bride, if I was planning for he end of the world. She said no, if that was the case we wouldn’t be wasting money on food.

JoJo also came home with a 50 day supply of throw away plates and bowls. Topped it off with 12 cans of Chunky soup that was on sale.

Woke up the other night and it was cold. Checked the temp and it was 53 in our RV. Our propane bottle had run out. So I got dressed, and just before I went out to flip over to the other bottle, I woke JoJo up. I wanted to make sure she new it was me coming thru the door in a few minutes. I didn’t get shot and she got the propane refilled the next day.
Now she is wondering if we could get a 100 lb propane tank.

I really need to have a one on one talk with the park manager. When the shtf we are all going to be in it together. I suspect he is a prepper but to what degree? I don’t know. We will see.

MD, Let me suggest a shot of Tennessee Honey every 4 hours. May not help but it sure wont hurt..Prayers to everyone else with poor health or out of work.

k. fields December 14, 2013 at 3:27 pm

It’s been a quiet week here – temperatures are back up to normal for this time of year and the skies have been clear. I did take advantage of the cooler weather early in the week to slaughter one of the remaining piggies so I know how bctruck feels – it’s tough to do that to an animal that you’ve raised from birth and spent every day of its life interacting with. Those final moments of it looking up at you with those trusting eyes are difficult to say the least.
But there are a number of local families that meat will make a great difference to over the holiday, so needs must. She was around 215 pounds so I’ll end up with about 150 pounds of meat to share according to the butcher minus the 50 pounds of bacon and lard I’ll keep to process and use here so friends won’t have to solely eat my vegetarian diet when they visit. It’s hard for many folks to wake up on a farm and not have bacon as a part of their breakfast and the fat I use for soap making, baking, etc.
No real preps as such, but did take advantage of the 50% off Tattlers sale yesterday to make up Christmas presents for a number of people – you can’t do better than to give folks presents that they’ll be able to keep using for years to come.

Bob December 14, 2013 at 3:31 pm

I guess i didn’t do anything to prep this week. Instead I was living it. My power was out for 9 1/2 days. Just coming back on 3 hours ago.

We were hit with a severe ice storm. The place looks like a bomb went off.

Luckily I had about 70 gals of water stored. Being on a well also meant no water. I had plenty of firewood, but I will need to get to work soon replenishing it.

I cook on propane so that wasn’t an issue. I had 100 gallons delivered the early afternoon of the storm.

I have 10 horses here, 7 of which are kept in a 32 acre pasture. The front fence is electric. The ice formed a tube about an inch around and broke all the fence. I put the horses up in the barn. keeping them there 5 days. Each day I had to chop ice and lead them one by one to water. a couple colts weren’t halter broke. By day three they got the idea pratty well about it and everything went good. Fences still need some work in the back where lots of trees are down.

The volunteer fire dept a half mile up the road was delivering water to anyone who needed it for livestock or drinking. Thier elec was out also so they had to make a 25 mile round trip to town to fill from a hydrant. My south neighbor is the fire captain, & the north neighbor is the assistant chief. It’s reall just a community pulling together. Most are realted, however I’m not & live by myself on 35 acres.

I have a couple plastic 55 gallon barrels set up to catch water or in this case melting ice. I took the grates from an old cook stove and set them on my wood burner then used the big canning pots to warm water for dishes & bathing. Yesterday the south neighbor stopped at the sherif’s dept & picked up a truck load of bottled water. Probably from fema. She delivered it door to door no questions ask.

I had my place logged out & the crew had finished the day before the storm. I ask them to limb the logs where they fell instead of piling brush. It appears I will have enough firewood to last 2 or 3 years. I used the funds to pay off my mortgage. now don’t think I did great because I was within 2 months of being at the end of my note anyhow but it sure is a great feeling.

Well power is on. Laundry is getting done and I’m catching up on e mail & message boards.

I was able to plug my modem into an inverter in my truck and use wi fi from my phone but living is a full time job like that

There is a cell tower for internet about 300 ft from the house, & another for phones just across the road. They had generators running 24 / 7 the whole time.

Over all things werent really to bad. Only in convienent. Now I think possibly in another week I would be feeling pressured quite a bit more.

patientmomma December 14, 2013 at 3:46 pm

This has been a stressful week for me so not much got done with prepping. Two of my staff members at work have gotten themselves in big trouble, one with financial debt and one with alcoholism. Dealing with them has been riding an emotional roller coaster!
On a positive note, the contractor finished up at the farm! I ordered the POD for after Christmas so I can begin the transition process. For the next two weeks I’ll be sorting, emptying and packing like a wild woman. It is hard for one person to juggle work, packing, moving and taking care of my pack of animals.

MD, my prayers go up for you that you will recover quickly and I pray the pack that each of you will be safe during the holidays and find peace with the Lord.

Susy December 14, 2013 at 4:16 pm

MD, sorry you are ill. I understand how you feel. Currently, I feel bronchitis coming on.

I got some items ordered this week: N95 masks, dried elderberries, cold season tea, and some Christmas gifts. Picked up the DD from college. Both kids are glad this semester is over.

Prayers for the pack.

Victoria S. December 14, 2013 at 4:22 pm

Between invalided friends needing help with doctors visits, being sick, having a rush deadline in my online gaming job, and having a snowstorm head our way… I got little done.

On the plus side, since we’ve done all the prepping, the snowstorm didn’t faze me, I made sure I had lettuce and milk and otherwise didn’t have to do a thing to prepare. Nice to be set!

Michigan Mike December 14, 2013 at 4:32 pm

Bought a 4 pair pack of 70% Marino wool socks from Costco, a few more candles and a couple more cans of food for storage. One more gallon of gas for the snow blower. That’s it. The rest of our money is going for presents for family and friends.

DJ December 14, 2013 at 5:26 pm

Not so good a week. Within 24 hours my son’s dog broke free and he got bitten getting her back ($625 medical bills to start) and then his car was stolen last night.

Did add the following to my stores this week: Sledge hammer, wood wedge, LED C9 Lights 1 String 25 (to run off battery back up when the power goes out, inexpensive way to get LEDS), Corona Razor Tooth Saw; tree trimming pole saw, 16 AA Eneloop batteries and AA, C & D battery storage cases.

Have a Merry Christmas.

Tomthetinker December 14, 2013 at 5:44 pm

Here we sit in NWOhio with just a wee bit of snow… 6 1/2″s. Only prep is a Work Sharp, Ken Onion Edition blade sharpener, WSKTS-KO… ala MD’s Amazon link. It works.

OregonMike December 14, 2013 at 5:49 pm

Hola Packers,
Returned from 5 weeks in central Mexico yesterday. It appears nothing has improved here politically in that time. After a comparison of safety, political unrest, medical services, general friendliness of the population for others, taxes and cost of living, the Northwest is going to have a 2800sf, 4 acre home for sale. I have to give up my guns but do believe my wife and I will be better off overall with a more positive future OUT of the country Obama is ruining. At least for now.

Texanadian December 14, 2013 at 6:23 pm

My preps have been getting my retreat/home ready to sell.
In a joint agreement with my employer and myself I will be relocating back to Canada in the spring. A number of things caused us to make the call at this time, not the least of which is an ongoing distrust of the government. In the 13+ years I have had the honor to live here the US has changed dramatically for the worse. I came here for the freedom and the spirit of the American dream. I have done well here and have prospered. I fear that is in jepordy and am going to take my gains and return to my roots. By June I will be relocated.

Al-texan (Alberta-Texan) just doesn’t have the same ring to it as Texanadian so I will keep that handle. Looking for land reasonably close to work and will continue to prepare, I’ll just have to add winter to the plan.

Becky December 14, 2013 at 6:57 pm

You have to do what you think is right for you and yours, just like Oregon Mike.

My family blood lines & blood from servitude run so deep in this country that to leave would be appalling to our lineage. I can not, nor would I turn my back on the family patriots who sacrificed to create this nation. A nation is only as good as those citizens who are willing to stand up to tyranny. Time will tell if we are a nation of Patriots or Paper Tigers(per my dh’s article he wrote for ****** College).

Becky December 14, 2013 at 6:38 pm

Wondered if we would ever hear from you again, missed your posting here.
Instead of Mexico, what about Belize?
What about renting the place out just in case you want to come back someday when TDL is no longer around? Just a thought if you want to keep your all your possibilities open to you and dw.

axelsteve December 15, 2013 at 12:35 pm

Costa Rica is also a pretty good place to be.Moving to Mexico may set you up for slaughter in the long run. Who do you think that they will go after when shtf? lets get the gringo! He got money.He no can defend himself.

OregonMike December 20, 2013 at 10:57 pm

Becky, TexCan and Axel,
Renting IS an option plus I may keep my condo on the coast in the event I want to come back. I hear what you’re saying about those that gave us the freedoms we used to have. I was one of those in Viet Nam in the 60′s.
Have looked at Belize, Costa Rica and other countries. Ecuador (Cuenca) was a serious consideration. Comparing all with the basic security, ‘happy place’, and how far our retirement will take us, Mexico won. Especially after tasting it for a month and a half. I will still have favorite guns with friends in the event we return in the next 5 years.
I will still use prepper tips learned here as Mexico’s electricity isn’t as stable. It helps that fruit and veggies grow year round. Saw one orange tree in a backyard on it’s 3rd crop of the year. Retirement dollars just don’t go far enough here but In Mexico will leave us 2-3k per month to stash.
I may post once in awhile with a status. I’ll also stay current on politics, hopefully to see things on the road to correction.

Old Alaskan December 14, 2013 at 6:16 pm

How many of you go to defaulted storage auctions? They are a waste of time , right? Well let me tell you here there is an Army post and an Air Force Base and in defaulted storage we routinely find military gear, ammunition occasionally firearms and as one regular put it she hasn’t bought detergent to wash clothing or dishes or bath soap from the store in years. Also camping and outdoor gear is plentiful.
Where to find these auctions? contact your local auctioneers, http://www.auctionzip.com, contact the storage company in your area or read the legal section in your local or close by big city newspaper.
If you know what you are doing it’s a good way to get stuff on a budget and if you sell at yard sale the items you don’t want you might make a profit..

ozhillbilly December 14, 2013 at 8:34 pm

Hi Old Alaskan. I have spent five years of my life in Alaska. Part as a dependent of a military member and part my time in the service. My sister lives in Fairbanks. She went up there to work on the pipeline and never came home. Brings back memories.

Your suggestion of the defaulted storage auctions is interesting. I bet you can find some goodies in those things. We have large commercial storage facilities all over our town. I never see auction advertisements for defaulted units though. I probably ought to check in to them as I know a few auctioneers.

mom of three December 15, 2013 at 1:07 am

I loved it in Alaska, we lived in Fairbanks on the army base. My sister’s family moved to Anchorage, loved that army base too. It’s been to long I need to take my family up to your neck of the woods. It would be good to see the wild life being well wild :).

rjarena December 14, 2013 at 6:34 pm

Don’t take this the wrong way, but if this county falls, do you really think you are better off in another country wear in one case you have no weapons to protect yourself and in the other, your weapons are highly regulated? both countries north and south are so incredibly dependent on what happens in this country, do you really think you will be able to ride out the storm with no ill effects?

Nebraska Woman December 14, 2013 at 7:03 pm

So agreed. The world without the US (the old USA) will be a sorry place. I have faith in Oathkeepers.

Texanadian December 15, 2013 at 12:49 pm

Part of it is the suppoert network of famly and friends. As a legal alien here part of my concern is the government deciding my 401 is needed by Americans and I can go pound sand. Canada is continuing to losen their gun laws and it is not near as restrictive as it was even 5 years ago.

Yes the world will suck if the US goes down but we will continue to prepare. Looking now online for 5-10 acreas where we can build an all season greenhouse, add solar, root cellar and other necessities.

Kids and grandkids enter the equation as well. The higher cost of living will be equalized with compensation and perks from work.

While it is a little scary to uproot again, we shall prevail.

Kermit5575 December 14, 2013 at 7:52 pm

Got two more fig and another plum tree for the homestead. Getting ready to start cutting down trees (damaged by tornado 10 years ago) After trees are removed will build bigger outdoor kitchen.Planning new chicken coop. The girls need a larger home. Thinking about quail next year also. Anyone doing quail? Let me know what I’m in for.

RedC December 14, 2013 at 7:59 pm

-”tested” eating a Wise food entree -it was OK. DW was not thrilled, but I asked her it’s suffice if there was not enough other food.
-copied a few survivalist articles to my computer

Been spending most of my free time digging out from the worst ice storm to hit our area in SE OK in over a decade or longer (the old timers here debate it). We were lucky in that our electric never went out, but many lost power/heat, etc. -heard stories of people cooking over fireplace, gas logs fireplace, wood stove, etc. Even a few people sleeping overnight in their car/pickups. Hopefully, this will make people a bit more grateful for something as basic as electricity, on this Christmas.

Rider of Rohan December 14, 2013 at 8:07 pm

MD, I’ve left several links to music from the Quebe Sisters on your blog, and I just thought about how this is supposed to be a blog on survival. I love them and their music so much I get carried away with them at times. I apologize for promoting them so much on your blog, and will try to restrain myself in the future. Thank you for all you do, and get well soon. Of course, listening to the Quebe Sisters ALWAYS makes me feel better. Whoops, there I go again.

grannyj December 15, 2013 at 11:06 am


thanks for the reminder of the Quebe Sisters – they are fantastic- love listening to them!

Music feeds the soul as well, and I consider it a prep. I’m sure MD will agree.

MD, hope you get to feeling better – I get the sinus thing now and again and it is the pits!

Merry Christmas – may you all have a most beautiful and Christ centered holiday surrounded by those you love most.


Okiebama December 14, 2013 at 8:09 pm

I started. I truly began prepping this week. Although I’ve had the “off” feeling for a while, I was one of the zombies. It was hard to convince DH that we needed to do something “just in case.” He is on board and actively helping.

Over the last three weeks I have read all I could on how to begin. This is the best place I have found!! Thanks all for making a lurker feel free to post without the drama.

The last couple of weeks I have…

1. Increased food stores from MAYBE a two day supply to at least a 30 day for the whole family. Even longer if we ration. Everything is stuff we already eat day to day.

2. Added 10 boxes of first aid bandages. Picked up extra sample inhalers for dd asthma.

3. Planned a 1 week water supply for our family of five (tight ration from hot water heater) We live yards from a creek so i planned a filter system with bleach purification. Brought in two gallons of bleach.

I started gathering supplied for EDC, BOB and GHB for all five of us. The DH and I even started emergency plans for day to day stuff.

I can’t say thank you enough to everyone here.

Okie out

Becky December 14, 2013 at 10:45 pm

Any day you start is a good day in our way of thinking. Welcome to the site.
Ok your homework……oh, yes……..is to fill your brain with all the knowledge that many a fine person has devoted to this very site that is why I/we love reading it.
Just teasing, but you will find so many things of use that you will need a printer, paper, ink and many a binder with dividers for all the knowledge you wish to keep from this site. It is like chocolate but without the calories.

Penrod December 14, 2013 at 10:56 pm

Hi Okiebama. Welcome! Up to 30 days of food the first month of prepping? That is WONDERFUL progress.

Even just day to day normal life, it is really nice to have enough food that you do not have to go shopping to make dinner today. That kind of larder cuts stress, and 30 days will get you past almost all high probability problems. Longer is better, but 30 days probably puts you in the top 1% of the population.

I hope you are pleased with the progress. And I wish we had a creek nearby.

Babycatcher December 15, 2013 at 12:06 am

Kudos to you! You will be glad you did! You might want to check Tess Penningtons ReadyNutrition site. Has a section in it called 52 weeks to preparedness, and I liked it because it has lists, made out according to catagories. It starts small and builds, making it easy to work up to…

Bam Bam December 15, 2013 at 12:33 am


Welcome to the Wolf Pack. It sounds like you are off to a good start.

RedC December 15, 2013 at 1:59 pm

Hi Okie, I’m also an Okie in SE OK. This is one of the best sites. http://www.survivalblog.com is also very good. Welcome, & congrat’s on your progress!

Ghost December 14, 2013 at 8:18 pm

I’ve been too busy “dancing” with Mr. Freeze my snow blower, to do any preps this week. That’s my excuse and I’m sticking to it!

Had one of those “Light goes on” moments this week. Rider of Rohan put up a link on NY’s new Mayor being an outright Communist and it dawned on me that “WE NOW LIVE IN A COMMUNIST CONTROLED COUNTRY”. Something we as a free people been fighting against since before I was born.

It’s all under God’s control.

lurker judith December 14, 2013 at 8:49 pm

It might not be a communist controlled country if the Patriots including the Oathkeepers were not sitting back and waiting for God to do something about it. I think they have waited too long.
An example in my own smaller CA town. People have always hunted rabbits illegally within town limits. Still a very rural area.
This week someone was shooting a shotgun to near a school and low and behold I found out our local police are fully militarized. They responded to some wetback hunting with swat and mini 14s and the whole nine yards.
I think any time now we are going to wake up to that pounding on the door and wonder why we are being herded to the fema camps. It is rapidly approaching the now or never point. What’s it going to be guys and gals? Are you going to fight? Or wait for God.

Ghost December 15, 2013 at 5:20 pm

I believe that there is plenty of blame to go around, but it is what it is. So have faith, if you are Elect, and know that God is in control.
Rom 8:28 ” For those who believe, God works all things together for good”.

Happy Camper December 14, 2013 at 11:19 pm

I love this article and love sharing what I’ve prepped. I’m not really comfortable talking to people face to face about prepping.
This week I made a list of what I will need to prep for food for 28 days for my family being 5 adults, 2 dogs and 1 bird. Written on paper it looks like so much to organise !
I’ve started marking items off my list by dehydrating some vegetables and buying enough pet food and supplies for 28 days to store.
I also worked some more on my rocket stove and researched solar ovens and water filters.

Docj December 14, 2013 at 11:38 pm

Been snowed and iced in on the mountain the last 9 days. This time I had electricity. Finally made it to town for medical prevention appointments. Diabetes still in remission. Once a diabetic; always a diabetic. Tests have been normal for just over a year. Taking care of chronic diseases is important to prepping.

Received 2 new vegan cookbooks. Found some new innovative ways to use beans, rice,etc. to make tasty, inexpensive meals using mostly food put back for an emergency.

All I can do now is take care of my cats, dogs, and chickens. Rain today froze a new layer of ice on deck, steps, and yard. Extremely slippery out there and so cold. Looking at seed catalogs while waiting for an improvement in the weather. Suggestion: try growing new types of vegetables. This year, I am trying celery among others. I can can, freeze, or dehydrate if I get a crop.

Donna in MN December 15, 2013 at 12:06 am

I made some wool coats to help other preppers who like roughing it primitively for their winter camps. I made an investment for puppy care for this winter while waiting for other job opportunitites to open up this spring.

I had company today and she wondered what my dehydrated food storage was about piled in my spare room. I told her is was about emergencies when the electric goes out for weeks and frig isn’t working. Also in case food prices go sky high, it was insurance against inflation and crop failure. She was impressed with my wood stove, and she figured that one out —when the lights go out, I have heat that ran her out of the house when it was 4 below zero outside today..

ready rooikat December 15, 2013 at 2:02 am

Those coats sound cool!

ready rooikat December 15, 2013 at 1:05 am

Let’s see….
Had our Zombie Research Society unofficial Christmas Party, where I gave everyone a small folding German survival stove. Another member gave everyone a magnesium bar and striker.
I received in the mail a case of ready oats, from LDS, a few cans of which will go to others as gifts this year. I placed the order this week, and got the shipment yesterday. Can’t beat that.

Bam Bam December 15, 2013 at 1:07 am

Heads Up: H7N9 has been detected in migratory birds in Portugal. I wasn’t able to understand the entire article because it was in Portuguese, but I am fairly confident it said an independent lab confirmed the birds were infected with H7N9. However, the genetic sequence of the strain detected in Portugal is 22 percent different than the one infecting people in China. So this couldn’t be a case of a Chinese infected person bringing the virus to Portugal. Rather, it suggests that all along the migratory patter from China to Portugal (that is, across Europe), migratory birds should show infection. The closer you test to China, the more the genetic sequence should match. How many distinct strains of H7N9 are out there? And why did H7N9 jump to humans this year in China?

Ghost December 15, 2013 at 12:12 pm

Ms. Bam,
This comment might be seen by some as over the top, but if this Bird Flu things really is as bad as some believe, you have no idea how many lives you’ll be saving by staying on top of this issue.
On behalf of all of the Pack, THANK YOU! (God Bless)

Lauri no e December 15, 2013 at 1:44 pm


Bam Bam December 15, 2013 at 2:23 pm


Thank you. H7N9 could die out or it could cause a pandemic. We don’t have all the information yet. This is a candidate for a pandemic because human beings have no immunity to the H7 class. The virus has very likely spread around the world in migratory birds. And H7N9 shows remarkable adaptation. One strain has gained Tamiflu resistance without loosing potency.

Typically when a flu puts energy into becoming resistant to front-line medications, it looses some of its virulence. Also, when the flu becomes more easily spread from person to person it looses some of its virulence. H7N9 is bucking all the conventional wisdom. One strain tested from a deceased patient in China tested positive for the tamiflu resistant gene. Yet this same strain is still highly virulent.

The fact that H7N9 is in the wild bird population but does not cause illness in these birds (they are just carriers) is worrisome. If my translation was on the mark from the Portuguese, the variation in gene sequencing from the avian sample in Portugal to the samples taken from infected people in China is 22 percent. The virus is engaging in host seeking behavior. It is seeking the right combination of genes to infect and spread readily in human beings. And given that it’s already in migratory birds, it is not going to just “go away”.

worrisome December 15, 2013 at 2:05 pm

Bam Bam. A pandemic falls in the category of what I term REAL threats. As in, for my area, earthquake and fire are REAL threats. When I had the house at the lake, it was Flood, earthquake and then fire. A pandemic is up there in that REAL threat category. My next level down is keeping a wary eye out for a financial calamity, personally or nationally. And then the rest of the shtf possibilities get categorized from there.

Your efforts to keep up with the possibilities are a treasure to MD’s blog and to all of us attending. Good job!

Bam Bam December 15, 2013 at 2:45 pm

This was just published today. Hong Kong officials are stalling with the release of the genetic sequence of the sample taken from the second case, the 80 year old man who had no contact with poultry. The article points out that if he caught it from the first lady, the sequencing would be almost identical. (They were treated at the same hospital and the timing from when he came down with symptoms suggests he was infected in the hospital. This would be confirmation of efficient human to human spread.

It is odd that they haven’t released the sequencing of the second case–it only takes four hours to do the test. And Hong Kong officials released the sequence from the first case within 24 hours.


Rider of Rohan December 15, 2013 at 6:39 pm

Bam, I don’t know whether it will be viral disease like flu or some other organism like a bacteria, but given the population of the Earth and the interconnected nature of civilization these days, we can be 100% sure we will face a plague sometime in the future. I expect it to be world-changing, much like the black plague in the 1300s. It might even be one of those manufactured bugs people are playing God with right now. There are certain folks who would like nothing better than for a pandemic to break out.

Now, I say I’m lucky to live in a small town, but…..we have a small college here. Looked at their international student roster and saw students from China, Taiwan, Indonesia, the Phillipines, etc., so you get the picture. The bird flu could be in my town as soon as these kids get back in Jan. from their Christmas break. Scary. Thanks for your interest in this area, and for keeping us informed. I’ve tried to follow it, but one only has so much time.

Patti December 15, 2013 at 11:23 pm

Thanks so much for the steady updates, Bam Bam. I really appreciate your time keeping us posted. Take care.

Carolina Blue December 15, 2013 at 5:50 am

My wife and I survived our first week of retirement without so much as a single argument – imagine that! It really does feel like everyday is a Saturday – it’s wonderful.
Started splitting the wood from the two trees (Ash & Beech) we had taken down a few weeks ago, I purchased a hand operated hydraulic 10 ton wood splitter from Harbor Freight a couple of weeks ago and it works like charm.
Got the Christmas decorations up, lights around the house and made way for some additional storage area in the garage for our preps. Re-did our first aid kit with some add-ons; needle holders, syringes, bandages, gauze, tape and antiseptic. Found that the bulb on our old sphygmomanometer had dry rotted so a replacement is on the list, thankfully we have another that still works just fine – but two is one and one is none.
MD – hope you’re on the mend, so get well soon…

Be Safe


Mrs. B December 15, 2013 at 10:59 am

Thought long and hard but decided to reach out to the younger generation at work. In our little hobby farm, we raise pretty much all we need to be self sufficient and I got to thinking about how our families knowledge of prepping could benefit the younger generation. I approached one of the youngest families who are in their 20′s and struggeling to make ends meet about canning meat and sausage making. We need the help in the spring with butchering and the heavy lifting involved in spring clean up and threw out an offer to trade. I gave them some meat from the freezer to help get them by and found out that they were hungry and too proud to say so. While you hear conversation about the youngsters and entitlements, it does make you think twice when you meet a kid who flatly refuses public assistance because of principle. That lead to some more conversation and my husband and I decided it was time to loosen the OPSEC a tad to teach the kids some life lessons along the way.

My 30 minute conversation lead me to a young family who is not only willing and eager to help out, but grateful for the intervention. This is Christmas. Yep, God is good. What did I prep today? I prepped a family who needed it and made some new friends.

Mystery Guest December 15, 2013 at 12:08 pm

That is indeed a Christmas story.
May you be blessed beyond words.

Becky December 15, 2013 at 1:56 pm

Mrs. B
You have a very Merry Christmas, it sounds like you made a Christmas wish come true for a family in need. Miracles come in all sizes.

Bam Bam December 15, 2013 at 2:31 pm

Mrs. B.,

That is a wonderful story. I am so grateful that I know a group of people with people like you and Michele, who are willing to step out and help others.

There are a lot of young people out there who are going hungry but refuse government assistance. There are even more who have jobs but cannot afford food and who do not qualify for assistance. One of my jobs involves many “welfare to work” people. These are people who grew up with the welfare mentality but did some soul searching and came to the conclusion that they’d better make changes. I have students who started with a fourth grade reading level graduating from college. Now granted they are not doing engineering or physics, but they are graduating with useful degrees, getting certified and landing jobs. I have seen their body language go from “completely defeated” to “you will respect me”.

I think that if each of us just found one person or one family and reached out to them, we could save this country–one family at a time.

Bam Bam December 15, 2013 at 2:32 pm

Hey, M.D.,

Why do I keep getting flagged? I really do try to play nice with others. :)

M.D. Creekmore December 15, 2013 at 2:57 pm

Don’t know…Comments with links and certain words get held for moderation.

Becky December 15, 2013 at 6:27 pm

I have noticed if you start writing and are delayed for whatever unknown reason. It will hold putting it up right away. It happens to me all the time. I will start a posting and have to stop for the critters, dh, the livestock. Then it will place me in the holding pattern. Just thought you should know you are not alone.

Patti December 15, 2013 at 11:19 pm

So awesome, thank you for helping that family and for sharing the story. God bless.

Christmas Rooikat December 15, 2013 at 1:57 pm

Tonight we are decorating a friend’s Tree!
We are also exchanging presents. I got each family unit a #10 can of ready oats (27 meals to go!) , as well as: one friend a Buck lockblade, another a Kershaw blur, another a SOG field pup, and yet another a Katniss Barbie doll.
Oddly, most of them are either Jewish or followers of Chuthula (I kid you not), so the Christmas tree is a special event there.

Patriot Farmer December 15, 2013 at 2:23 pm

My son graduates from gun smithing school in Colorado in a couple of weeks. We are getting money and gas cards together to get him back to Michigan. While in class he built a bolt action 300 win mag that is consistently shoots 3-4 inch groups at 600 yards. And the best news is that he is giving it to me.

As far as preps, we added a couple cases of canned soup, 3 cases of bottled water and 2 boxes of shotgun shells. I also harvested several yards of grape vines off the property we are using to make wreaths to sell.

Seamus Finn December 15, 2013 at 4:29 pm


Asthma’s back. Diagnosis was confirmed at 2:30 last night, in the ER observation room. My pulmonary capacity is down to 52% of the average. That’s going to be a serious issue to consider in my preps.

Anybody got info about how to manage asthma without drugs?

worrisome December 15, 2013 at 4:59 pm

Michelle has it and has herbal ideas………….hope she sees your comment and gives you her ideas………..

Bam Bam December 15, 2013 at 10:25 pm

Michele mentioned lobelia tincture for asthma. She said to make it with apple cider vinegar, not alcohol.

Bam Bam December 15, 2013 at 10:27 pm

Oh, and to only use 15 drops or you will puke your guts up.

Patti December 15, 2013 at 11:16 pm

My son’s asthmas got significantly better when he started biking 10-20 miles a couple times a week. It disappeared completely after he went gluten free, started eating more produce, and gave up carbonated drinks. He also stopped getting ear infections and his acid reflux went away, too. Real grain free food and sustained hard exercise did it for him.
Good luck, still praying for you.

Michele December 16, 2013 at 1:24 pm

Seamus Finn,

Yep they are right – lobelia tincture is FANTASTIC for asthma. It’s what I use. As Bam Bam says, 15-20 drops is enough, and you will notice it within minutes, and you make the tincture with vinegar. It relaxes your bronchial tubes (and the rest of your body as well) and allows more O2 to get in. Don’t take too much at one – it is called puke weed for a reason, but you can take more a little while later if need be.

If there is ANY possibility of heart involvement, or high blood pressure AT ALL, also start hawthorn as well. Hawthorn has no adverse reactions, and is fabulous for so many things. You can start a tincture of leaves or berries or both, but while waiting for the tincture, make a tea of it.

Seamus Finn December 16, 2013 at 3:00 pm

I have no idea how to make tinctures and all that stuff.

Is there any way I could… BUY some???

Thanks ya’ll! =)

Bam Bam December 16, 2013 at 6:13 pm


Just click on this link:


Scroll down to lobelia. Then pick up some Bragg’s apple cider vinegar.

Take a quart jar. Add 1 cup lobelia. Then fill the rest of the jar with vinegar.

Shake everyday for two weeks. Then strain. It is a lot cheaper to make this yourself. You can pay $10-$15 for an ounce of tincture.

KR Prepper December 15, 2013 at 5:03 pm

Wdidtptw week of 12/8/13

Deer Hunting in IL
Bought “Butt Out” field dressing to

 3 carbon arrows the had at Walmart
6 nockturnal light up arrow nocks 
Bought pack of extra batteries for the rangefinder
Created aluminum footers for my arrows. I shoot a lot of different brands of arrows
So I have to add weight to get them grouping well.
Beat a personal record. I shot a penny sized target 3x at 20 yards with my bow.
Bought a headlamp
Made a smaller quiver out of 3/4 PVC pipe

Since frostbite is a medical condition. I guess preventing it issues under here
Was gifted two sets of HotHands hand warmer, and a skull cap
 Purchased 2 sets of real tree camouflage gloves
Walked 5 miles a day 3x
Started taking Osteo biflex. To stave off joint issues. I shoot my bow a great deal, and want to strengthen my joints as best I can.

Priced wood-stove,  found a reputable installer. 4k.. Can’t afford it
Received electric bill almost passed out.  So I disconnected all of  my appliances, surge protectors, and duct taped all of my lights witches off. 
Bought deep cycle battery for new solar system (1 of 4)

Purchased small solar charger for telephone and iPad

Priced used truck. 

Tolik December 15, 2013 at 7:20 pm

ordered some under armor UA side zip tac boots , they weigh next to nothing . Found my FAL at a good price at a gun show , bought 6 mags for it and some 308 . 3 pairs of under armor 3.0 base layer top and bottoms for cold weather . some more antibiotic s , some ammonia inhalants , catgut sutures , eye gel . A few more pairs of ” cheater ” glasses ……cant have too many .

Big D December 15, 2013 at 11:10 pm

Greetings Pack !
This last week we’ve been dealing with 3 winter storms which left us with 4″, 4″, and 4″ of snow the latest also threw in a nice 1/4 ” of ice to coat everything nicely. Chilly temps, lows in the low teens at night, but so far no power outages or other problems. DW said I might be enjoying it too much. Holiday deals are being taken advantage of to get some gear and supplies, such as all the ‘extras’ to go with my new AR, and Glock, cases, holsters, magazines, ammo, ammo ,ammo. Food is another item we’ve been restocking up, lots of sales/deals at Giant, BJ’s, Walmart. Ordered lots of stuff online from Amazon, Cheaper Than Dirt, Full Belly Insurance, and Lucky Gunner.
Everyone have a safe and happy week!

Alicia S December 16, 2013 at 9:51 pm

Got a lot done this past week in the prepping department. With the cold weather and snow here, it kind of lends itself to staying home and actually getting your stuff in order.

-Added to the ammo supply, also added a couple of things to use up that ammo.
-Almost have fire starter bags done for myself, the DH, and the DS.
-Almost have the personal first aid kits for everyone done and the major family kit done. Just waiting on two of the bags to come in that are on order.
-Paid off the last of our cc bills! Now just the mortgage and 1 car payment are left. I have to say, it really feels great.
- Re-reading MD’s book “31 days to survival”. Working on the charts to get a little more organized.

Stay attentive everyone, this is a crazy time of year and not everyone has the best of intentions! Have a great holiday and enjoy your time with your families and friends!

Encourager December 24, 2013 at 11:14 am

We stopped for gas last night and dh was pumping when this man on a bicycle approached him at the pump…mind you, it was late at night, with two inches of ice on all the sidewalks and two inches of snow on top of the ice. The roads were passable, but barely. And he was riding his bike??

This man said he wanted some money to get some food. Dh said no, I will meet you at that Burger King right there (100 feet away) and buy you some food. The man said no, he wanted something else. At that point, I got out of the car and walked over. I stared at him sternly said “It is time for you to move on…now”. I had my hands in my pockets of my coat and he stared at my hands and said “Merry Christmas” in a nasty tone of voice. I replied “and to you – now LEAVE!” He left.

Got back in the car and dh said, “did you have your gun in your pocket??” No, because we were on the way to the airport, I left it home. Yeah, that was stupid of me. But the man thought otherwise. Interestingly, the woman behind us had finished pumping and was back in her car sitting there watching. I mouthed to her “Be careful” and she held up her cell phone and nodded. I think she had already called 911.

Linda December 16, 2013 at 10:18 pm

Last week I worked 16 hours a day getting out about 500 Love Gifts to various ministries for their clients or residents. It was fun, but a tad exhausting. Sure should have started earlier!

Had sticker shock at my local grocery store. Some of the canned goods that I like, but don’t buy often because they are more expensive than the plain-Jane type, were on sale — at the price I used to not buy them at. Checked some other normal buys and found prices had jumped considerably. Meat is out of sight! I am wondering what is going on as there doesn’t seem to be a logical reason for the hike right at the end of the year. I bit the bullet and bought a couple dozen of the specialty items. I’ll be closely watching sale papers from now on.

Price increases are a very legitimate reason for prepping. I am very thankful I purchased the majority of my normal year’s worth of food and medical supplies early in 2013. Replenishing is just plain painful!

Encourager December 24, 2013 at 11:04 am

This is one saaaaad Mommy. Youngest ds was scheduled to fly home Saturday. Flight canceled due to weather. Sunday – flight canceled due to weather. Last night they bumped him from the flight – oh, his luggage came. Tonight is the last flight before Christmas. Good chance of his getting bumped again.

Why didn’t they just schedule another plane in addition to this one? There is only ONE flight per day and they canceled two flights. That is three times the people – all those already booked plus two other flights of people trying to get on that one flight.

Please pray! I want my children home for Christmas! If he has to drive, it is 12+ hours and he will be going through, and with, a nasty snowstorm with high winds.

I know this is not earth-shattering and I need to get rid of the big lump in my throat. I miss him so much already and this is just over the top for me.

Encourager December 24, 2013 at 11:17 am

With my sad heart aside, I do want to wish the Wolf Pack and all visitors a very Merry Christmas. Let us all remember the reason for this season – that Jesus came to earth to die on the cross for our sins so that we could spend eternity with Him in heaven, as long as we have accepted Him as our Savior and Lord and serve Him all the days of our lives.

Thank you, Jesus! For loving us so much!

Kris December 24, 2013 at 10:05 pm

My prepping this week was more of a good bartering deal. I baught a meat goat that can kid any day now and not having any extra feed, I sold a milk doe for 6 times what I got the meat goat for. With the extra money I set up a bug out bag to keep in my wife’s car. I also added a wood stove to my milk barn/ bunk house. And having an extra few hours off I managed to make a necessities list for the new coming year for the farm and the house.
As for your sinus infection, I have to agree with those who mentioned oil of oregano. I had a sinus infection that fought its way through four different antibiotics, and was gone three days after I started taking the drops.

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