What did you do to prep this week?

by M.D. Creekmore on December 21, 2013 · 320 comments

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Well there you have it…. now let’s get on with what we did to prep this week, and again please don’t post your full name with your comment, first name is fine or at the most your first name an initial of your surname. Thanks.

Okay, now lets see… what did I do to prep this week? Started reading Herbal Antibiotics Natural Alternatives for Treating Drug-Resistant Bacteria – this is an excellent book and one that I recommend to anyone interested in natural medicine.

I also replaced my 6,000 BTU propane heater with a 10,000 BTU heater, even though the 6,000 BTU heater kept my place at around 70 degrees – unless the temperature outside dropped to below 30 degrees, but then my house is under 1,000 squire feet, so it doesn’t take much to keep it warm.

I also bought and had this building set up on my property. It will have the roof extended 8 feet on each side to form a shed to keep the goats out of the weather.

I also bought and had this building set up on my property. It will have the roof extended 8 feet on each side and boxed in on three sides to form a shed that will keep the goats out of the weather. This will be my new barn.

Well folks that’s it for me. What about you? What did you do to prep this week?


Michele December 21, 2013 at 10:07 am

Our big prep this past week is getting ready to move. We did not get the house that we were considering a lease option on, but instead found a rental in a huge metropolis with a population of 135, in a very crowded county with a total population of about 13,000. The rental is on about 5 acres, and the owner lives the next street over. He has ‘pets’ there, a cow and 3 very lovable sheep. We have permission to add livestock to his, and re-purpose the shed that he keeps hay in for a chicken coop (he said he’d move the hay to another one – but how much room do chickens need?). There is room for a nice big garden and I have permission to use it as such.

While there we will save money to purchase property and build our home from partially buried shipping containers (earth sheltering makes it very cheap and easy to heat and cool.)

I am painting the front room here in DH’s house – getting it ready to sell, and packing. We are thrilled that we will only have one more separation after he gets home on Sunday.

I bought 3 cases of Idahoan instant potatoes – 1 of 4 cheese and 2 of loaded baked. They were on sale, and we love them, and if I wasn’t moving I’d probably have bought a dozen cases. One of DH’s favorite meals is shepherds pie, and these – reconstituted – makes a fast and tasty topping.

JP in MT December 21, 2013 at 10:46 am

Since I have been away and missed many comments – did you say where you were moving to, generally?

Michele December 21, 2013 at 10:56 am

Idaho/Oregon border.

JP in MT December 21, 2013 at 11:02 am


JeffintheWest December 21, 2013 at 2:40 pm

If you’re anywhere near Coeur d’Alene, you are in one of the most beautiful places I’ve ever seen!

Encourager December 21, 2013 at 12:54 pm

Michele, I found another brand of instant potato packs for the same price but they had like three ingredients instead of the inch or more of ingredients on the Idahoan instant potatoes. They actually are very tasty. They were right next to the Idahoan ones on the shelf. The brand is called “Idaho Spuds Naturals”. Our fav is the 4 cheese.

Michele December 21, 2013 at 1:30 pm

Thanks, I will check them out.

wasp December 21, 2013 at 1:49 pm

is there a website or book about earth sheltered container houses? i most interested.
also-chickens and hay– just keep the chickens from relieving their bowels on the hay and you’ll be alright.
i love red star chickens. i hear that black star, their cousins, are just as good.
lay an egg a day come hell or high water and raise their own babies–very good mothers.
also very personable.

KR Prepper December 21, 2013 at 4:00 pm

Hey wasp. I lived in a shipping container for 6 months. Generally it’s not good to bury them as the walls are not goog for supporting the weight all their own. Just the frame/backbone. Here’s some info I used as inspiration


Hope that helps, holler if you need more specific info.
I really enjoy making them.

axelsteve December 21, 2013 at 9:54 pm

A buddy of mine made a home with 2 shipping containers.He got divorced and he bought the shipping containers and put them on his parents property. He welded them up and etc.It worked out well for him for several years.

wasp December 22, 2013 at 11:56 am

many thanks!

Penrod December 22, 2013 at 2:13 pm

Containers are designed to be stacked, with downward pressure on specific points of the top. They are not designed to withstand horizontal pressure against the walls.

About 30 years ago a friend of ours lived in a refrigerated container for a couple years and was very happy with it. They are really flexible: If he wanted a window all he had to do was take a saber saw to the spot, cut out the correct size, and slip a pre-fab window in. He could add a porch, a ladder to the roof for lounging.

Since it was an insulated refrigerated model, it was easy to keep cool (he was in Hawaii). As I recall, the inside was white plastic, so it was easy to keep clean. There were a few other people living in containers near him, and they all seemed pretty happy with them as super cheap housing/office space/storage.

PGCPrepper December 23, 2013 at 3:49 pm


Thanks for those links. I live in an “active” adult gated community (active means walking fur babies, I guess, because that’s about all the active I see) and I have found 12 acres only 20 minutes from my wife’s job and there is 50 acres behind it used for hunting deer and such. My guns will not be a prob. Water source nearby also. I don’t want to just sell my home and take a loss just to get out of Dodge but I could at least buy something like an empty container temporarily that I could use for ATV (plus) storage until I can take a property and convert it to what I want. Also, the live in containers…I’m amenable too. **thinking**

Would be an interesting idea for a blog post w/respect to a clean slate 12 acre development. I was born country and dirt poor but after 22 years as a human resource manager in the Army I have forgotten so much. Mr. Creekmore has already accomplished all of the above. Would be an awesome (further) education to learn from y’all. BTW, I am not exactly poor so if you could, what would you do?

OFF TOPIC: Lowe’s has 60 watt incand. bulbs on sale @ .50 per bulb or so. I bought 116. If you raise chicks, remember that these bulbs produce warmth also. LEDs and the curly goos, not so much.

Penrod December 21, 2013 at 10:07 am

I picked up an 8 inch Hard Arkansas stone at the swap for 2 bucks. Found the same one on Amazon for $24 + $10 shipping, so was happy to get it even without the wooden box. Also got two Christmas presents for my step-son: a Gerber multi-tool and a set of metric Crescent wrenches for his car.

The three pack (3 dozen egg equivalent) of OvaEasy egg crystals arrived and have been wrapped for Christmas presentation. We’ll try them on our next camp trip, which is to take place soon. Thanks, Encourager! Now it’s time to go to the swap meet again.

Lurker Judith December 21, 2013 at 11:02 am

We bought a commercial food saver for our Christmas present.

Added 3 cases of 3 bean chile beans to my preps and
1 case of black beans

Changed the 1000 gallon tank and 6 water barrels

Merry Christmas everyone. Nice shed M.D.

JP in MT December 21, 2013 at 11:03 am


OvaEasy are my favorite “canned” eggs. I try to add to my stock whenever I can find them on sale.

Sunshine December 22, 2013 at 12:10 pm

Hey, JP – where do you get the OvaEasy eggs? Do you have to order them online? Thanks!

tommy2rs December 22, 2013 at 1:50 pm

If you can’t find them locally, Amazon has them in single packs, 2, 3 or 6 packs, cases or No.10 cans. Most are available for the free shipping deal.

JP in MT December 22, 2013 at 7:27 pm


Sportsman’s Guide also has them. I’d run it through a search engine.

oldguy52 December 22, 2013 at 10:34 pm

I’ve got Ova easy eggs from Pleasant Hill Grains in the past.

Been a while so I’m not sure how the price compares now.



Encourager December 21, 2013 at 12:56 pm

You are welcome, Penrod! Tell us how you liked them, especially the consistency and texture.

Penrod December 21, 2013 at 1:32 pm

Shall do, Encourager. We are looking forward to the camping trip in part because we will be trying a number of different Mountain House foods in foil packets and the OvaEasy packs. The ones we prefer we can then add cans of to the preps.

We talked briefly with another hurricane/earthquake prepper here yesterday who asked how it was going and it felt good to say that I think we are at a very comfortable place in our preps. We have water and the ability to store more, water filters, with swimming pools in the neighborhood, a couple months of canned goods and pasta and rice, a pretty serious amount of long term foods -mostly LDS beans and rice- plus freeze dried, a good medical kit, Get Home Bags, defensive things, good insurance policies, tools, etc. Pretty much a reassuring amount of all the basics. We’ll add more long term food, mostly for variety, and add to the medical kits, tools, etc, but I’m finally not worrying.

We will continue refining, adding, upgrading, rotating, but I finally feel like the most important things are done. If we had hurricane resistant storage, we’d add more food and water, but we don’t, and I think we are at a very reasonable stage for any likely disasters.

I really appreciate all the ideas I have gotten from this site. The back and forth conversation between so many people with different experiences, different points of view, and different goals for prepping is wonderful.

grandma bear December 21, 2013 at 10:11 am

Wow, I never get to be first, what an honor! This week was mainly getting things in order for the kids and grandkids to arrive! Did get an order from Honeyville, dehydrated strawberries and buttermilk. Made up allot of freezer meals and put allot of baked goods also in the freezer, don’t want to be in the kitchen more than i have to be, want to spoil the grandkids as much as possiable. I did have almost all the ingrediants for all the meals in the stores, a very nice feeling. Merry Christmas to all and remember we are all in this together!

bctruck December 21, 2013 at 10:33 am

I found a very well made single strap back pack type of bag at ___mart for 26 bucks. I am not ever bugging out because where i live is where i woukld bug out to. Im set up pretty well here for a SHTF type of scenrio. What has concerned me though is my ability to get back to my house if there was a sudden calamity/catastrophe such as a CME or EMP type of event. Im not concerned about getting homw after a financial collapse because i believe it would take place over several days before anyone would realize that the dollar no longer holds any value and chaos ensues. Ive put together a GHB (get home bag) that contains my keltec sub 2k and a couiple hundred rounds, some loaded in mags and some in a box,some water treatment pills,a waterfilter,mora knife,binoculars,matches,and a few other things that might come in handy if i ever have to walk home. Im rarely more thatn a few hours from my house so if i had to walk, i couldnt see it taking me more than a few days at worst to a few hours at best. I also recieved a silverfire survivor from the owner of silver fire, and i will be doing a review right after christmas. If anyone has a desire to support the robinson family and christian values,and your right to freedom of speech and religion,im including a link to my video that will include a link to the facebook page that is in support of them and boycotting the A&E network until the tolerance and acceptance that the gay mafia wants us to have, is given to everyone else.There is also a phone number to an A7E head honcho as well as the robertsons personal facebook page and their latest statement concerning the events that took place. Peace love and groovy! Brad

Becky December 21, 2013 at 1:21 pm

bc truck
Thanks for the link……
A&E knew what they were getting when they took the Robinson family on to their TV channel…..so grow a spine A&E. If not, Glenn Beck offered the Robinson family the opportunity to come over to his channel….yahooooo Glenn way to go!

bctruck December 21, 2013 at 3:48 pm

I refuse to watch A&E anymore. I hope they go to glenn beck!

S'wt Tater December 21, 2013 at 9:50 pm

DITTO, They knew exactly, would love to see the dynasty on another channel…Y’all get ready..and get some more reliable copies of that Book of books, because if quoting it and repeating its words is hate speech…no one will be able to proclaim anything as truth.

axelsteve December 21, 2013 at 10:00 pm

Kinda funny how they axed the duckman for insulting the rainbow boys. They are gonna kiss up to 5 or so percent of the population bt pissing off the other 95 or so percent. Sounds like fuzzy math to me.

JP in MT December 21, 2013 at 1:37 pm


My bag is a GHB too. Although it actually consists of several bags that go in the vehicle we are using to travel with.

The DW and I we talking about “reality shows” today. I find it humorous (read: extremely irritating) that their “reality” means that it is something to laugh at, much different than “main stream” – ie. “Look at the funny people”. But when real reality steps in (ie. Christian values) come into play – well that’s just offensive and insensitive to others and not to be tolerated.

bctruck December 21, 2013 at 3:49 pm

GLAAD, believes in everyones right to free speech,unless you disagree with them. Thats why i call them the gay mafia.

Patti December 21, 2013 at 4:09 pm

BC, Good for you!
I sent my boycott email to a&e the day the story broke and copied the duck commander feedback email.
Then I told my family that if anyone is caught watching that channel, I will cut the cable OFF. I will miss walking dead, but not as much as I would miss my character.

Sheri IN December 22, 2013 at 6:27 am

Good news Patti! The Walking Dead is on AMC, not A&E ; )

Patti December 22, 2013 at 6:56 pm

OMG, Sheri you have made my day! That is great news. Thank you for setting me straight!

Buckwheat December 22, 2013 at 12:46 am

From “The Naked Communist”. Written in 1958
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
There is a recent movie on the subject called Grinding down of America. You can watch it for free on Vimeo.

Buckwheat December 22, 2013 at 12:48 am

I forgot to mention, the communist party set up a certain number of goals in the early 50s. IF you google the goals listed from that book The Naked Communist written by Cleon Skousen, you will be completely shocked at just how successful that they have been.

Sunshine December 22, 2013 at 12:42 pm

Agreed. I actually printed off a copy of the list and have been highlighting the “completed” goals. #28 was to eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the separation of church and state. #29 was to discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis…how much have we heard about this in the past 12 to 18 months? I think the one that bothers me the most right now, though is #41 – emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents…this one is becoming more and more apparent in just the last few months, with children being taken from their parents for things related to medical care. It won’t be long before our traditional values will be seen as oppressive and non conductive to acceptance of the “new normal”. That frightens the heck out of me.

Buckwheat December 23, 2013 at 10:53 am

That is happening too: http://www.infowars.com/your-kids-belong-to-the-collective/
The scary part is that when people stood up and recognized what had just been stated (from obvious policy notes) she used the Matthew 5 to defend: http://www.infowars.com/msnbc-host-turns-to-jesus-in-response-to-criticism-of-her-child-collectivization-rant/

charliebuck December 22, 2013 at 10:21 pm

Grinding Down of America is very eye opening.Everyone needs to watch it and wake up.

POORMAN December 22, 2013 at 11:48 pm

One of the Greek philosophers ( I don’t remember which ) said that the fist sign of a declining society is tolerance. Well that started a long time ago.

ladyhawthorne December 22, 2013 at 1:02 am

If anyone wants t-shirts and other stuff go to the Duck Commander website and buy from them, not the A&E Duck Dynasty stuff in the stores. I’m sorry I got my Dad a calendar only a week before this all happened.

My question is what would they change the name of the show to? Can’t have a Dynasty if you only have 1 generation!

Victoria S. December 21, 2013 at 10:53 am

Busy week again with non-prepping stuff. Did manage to get a spare coleman camp stove (still in packing material!) for $20. Also a very large aluminum mixing bowl for $2 and a cat carrier for $1. This brings our pet carriers up to 10, the exact number of cats we have in the house. This is a good thing, since if we had to evacuate, we now don’t have cats share carriers.

Been listing on eBay when able. Hit the library book sale last weekend (the monthly one) and picked up some books for the library of the apocalypse as well as some to resell to fund the library of the apocalypse.
Canned veggies were on sale at Kroger, so bought two flats to help replace some of our usage.

Stepdaughter (some of you may remember her from earlier in the year) is arriving today for her holiday visit. Had to lock up guns (don’t normally bother with all of them as we don’t have any children in the house anymore – we keep a shotgun in our room and the son keeps a rifle and shotgun in his room) and all the meds for mom so stepdaughter won’t do something stupid. Need to get the last bits of the prepping detrius put up also – she’s not trusted with knowledge of our preps either.

Going through seed catalogs to see what is new and what I might want to plant next year. Going to start planning the 2014 garden shortly.

Had to replace the fuel injectors on the diesel truck. Just got it back yesterday. This is our “haul the horses” and the “gods-I-hope-we-never-need-it” bug out vehicle. So it should be good for many many more years, which is a good thing.

Been reading through http://www.ippnw.org/nuclear-famine.html and it’s linked report as well as http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/dod/jason/spaceweather.pdf. Scary stuff. Still at the very beginning of both… but ugh!

Hope everyone has a good Christmas (or whatever holiday you celebrate). Happy Solstice too! Hope everyone in line for ice today doesn’t get it too!

Patti December 21, 2013 at 4:13 pm

Victoria, Cat carriers are also great for chickens, I have 3 or 4 extra for chickens. You can use them for transport or for a sick or quarantine room. I used them most recently when 2 chickens fell in the pool in cool weather. Brought them inside in the carriers to dry up and warm up.

Victoria S. December 21, 2013 at 5:53 pm

Oooh! Good idea. Thank you Patti! Timely since one of the winter projects is a henhouse for chickens in the spring…

Lauri no e December 21, 2013 at 8:43 pm


Prayers to you with the step-daughter I wished my daughter could of had a step-mother like you instead she got step mommy dearest. We she first married my ex-husband I ask her if I every died would she please be a mother to my daughter. My daughter counselor said he wish more parents like me had that attitude.

However I have a very difficult 29 year step son.

axelsteve December 21, 2013 at 10:55 am

Not much this week. A bit of food and a few candles.Getting candles for the maybe winter storms. Last year was a drought year so I am going to step up on the water storage.

Becky December 21, 2013 at 1:26 pm

This like the year 1977, and the lakes all looked like bath tub rings for the lack of water. If you have space put up as much as you can for family, pets, and gardening..if that will be available.
Merry Christmas to you an yours.

axelsteve December 21, 2013 at 10:04 pm

thank you Becky.Lake Mendocino is looking pretty pathetic.It is so low from the water contracts with other counties and maybe southern calif.

Hunker-Down December 21, 2013 at 11:01 am

M.D., That’s a great looking barn, I wish we had room for one just like it. Thirty degrees is a problem? Our average high is below that. I’m anxiously searching for a dude walking around in a parka and shorts. It’s usually the first sign that winter in Wisconsin will soon end.

I don’t know what the “Duck Dynasty” show is about but the stink raised by the star of the show is on all the networks AND is a refreshing smell. I admire his courage. As a means of long term prepping, we can show support by boycotting companies and media that don’t like his stink. Who are they?

The DW had her trigger finger surgery so I have to do the cooking and cleaning. Her stitches come out on the 31st. Yesterday was my birthday and she made me make bean salad! She said it was prepping because I learned a new skill. I say it was persecution of a husband. Right?

The republican leadership has turned donkey.
Don’t forget the IRS is still persecuting political groups that don’t occupy the big-house.
Don’t forget “Fast and Furious”; Eric Holder is still not in jail.
Don’t forget Benghazi; Hillary will want your vote.

M.D. Creekmore December 21, 2013 at 1:01 pm


It was built by the Mennonite community – very well made and at $2,000 was almost as cheap as I could have built it myself considering the expense of building materials.


Buckwheat December 22, 2013 at 12:54 am

Hi M.D. just an observation – I think that the goats will gnaw through that nice shed within a year. They will eat anything. Many years ago I had sheep that gnawed through plywood and 2x4s in a barn. I would recommend getting some livestock panels to keep them off of it. maybe some 2x4s to create a couple inch space between the wood and the panel. I would hate to see such a nice shed get eaten. Like I said, just an observation.

Babycatcher December 22, 2013 at 10:48 pm

If you have goats, make it a two foot barrier, instead. Cattle panels are good because they are stiff, but a determined kid can stick his head thru the squares. Two feet away from any building would protect it…

waitn4it December 25, 2013 at 12:27 pm

We looked at these as “rent to own” for our BOL, MD. You did well to pay cash. If you read the contracts you must sign to rent-to-own, you’ll do what we did – burn it! You can’t enclose it; if you miss a payment, they have a right to come and get it (wasn’t worried about that – just pointing it out); you can’t make any modifications at all without their express written permission (which you won’t likely ever get); and you’ll pay almost half again as much as the initial “price” , if you take the term of the contract to pay for these. Yeppers. Cash is best.

Penrod December 21, 2013 at 1:47 pm

“She said it was prepping because I learned a new skill. I say it was persecution of a husband. Right?”

Knowledge is Power, Hunker Down! Your DW shared the power with you. Savor that (pun strictly intended).

JP in MT December 21, 2013 at 11:01 am

Well, I’m back. My Father, whom I hadn’t seen in 42 years way dieing so I went to be of whatever help I could be. My sister, who lived neat him, opened her house to me (I last saw here when she was 2). Although my Father passed (@ 85, 5 weeks after being diagnosed with lung cancer), we had a chance to rebuild relations with both my sisters and surviving brother. 5 weeks well spent.

We continued to move closer to our prepping goals here, taking advantage of several sales during the season. I found an indoor range in OKC that bags and sells “range brass”. Although there were purchase limits (unless you bought primers too), the brass was as clean as you’ll find used brass anywhere.

I did make 3 “major” purchases. A Wondermill for daily use at the house. A pair of Steiner Tactical 10×42 binoculars. And a new traveling computer, a Windows Surface (I found a refurb at 40% off new). My old portable was sent to my sister who needed something to go with here new sewing machine that is a technological piece of work and wonder.

Of special not to us it that our oldest grandson has joined the Civil AIr Patrol here. I am currently helping him put together his 24 hour bag that he is required to have. Seems that grandpa just might have everything he will need stuffed somewhere around here.

As we go into the holiday season, move forward with caution. This is the time we tend to over spend, and Federal financial trouble is coming in Jan/Feb. For us, it looks like a Prepper Christmas! Glad to be back.

JP in MT December 21, 2013 at 1:40 pm

I forgot my Solo Stove. Thanks, MD, for the recommendation! Going to pack it up with quart bags of wood stove pellets for travel.

bctruck December 21, 2013 at 3:55 pm

JP, I was estranged from my faimly from the age of 17 when i joined the army,until i was in my mid 40,s. Im glad i saw my dad before he passed. He actually apologized for some of the things he did to me and it made a huge differance in the rest of my life. I still have scars and bones that never knit correctly,but im not bitter anymore.

Patti December 21, 2013 at 4:17 pm

JP, Glad you were able to make the trip and enjoy the family. I know that was a tough decision, but sounds like you made the right one all the way around. Good for you. We missed you.

Becky December 21, 2013 at 8:45 pm

Some how I missed you were going to be gone. Sorry to hear about your dad passing, but it is nice to hear you reconnected with your siblings.
Until this posting I thought you had lost your satellite feed for the computer from all the snow up there.
Like you state control your spending…we have. I purchase dh a tablet for his bday, and we are not doing box store style Christmas this year, which is nice.

Stay safe and warm up there, Merry Christmas to you and yours.

JP in MT December 21, 2013 at 11:01 pm


Thanks and I really didn’t say much about my going. OPSEC and all, plus not knowing how long I was going to be there. Good thing I left when I did as the brother that was living with him had to have emergency surgery during all of this.

The DW drove down with me, flew back after a week, then flew down after he died and rode back with me. 1500 miles each way. Good road trip except someone needs to tell Colorado to stop putting grooves in the highway. It was miserable, but only a short portion of the trip.

Kermit5575 December 21, 2013 at 11:21 am

Not too much this week, Got more water, found mixed veg’s for .50 cents a can, got all they had. (Great for shepherds pie). Got another K-1 heater for backup. Need to start working on AC for the summer. Have been running a “kill a watt meter” on all elect items finding the elect hogs and there are a lot of them. Went barn shopping this week found some we like, now just need to save a few bucks back to buy it this summer. Found a Lady a few miles from home that sells meat rabbits got two from her yesterday they will be supper tonight.

Merry Christmas to all!!!

connie December 21, 2013 at 12:49 pm

Did you know you can dehydrate frozen mixed veggies or any other frozen veggies.

downeastbulldog December 21, 2013 at 1:41 pm

connie could you tell me more about dehydrating frozen mixed veggies?

worrisome December 21, 2013 at 1:56 pm

I am not Connie, but it is very easy down east. Open the bag, spread them on a dehydrator tray, turn on the machine……….and let it happen :)

Nebraska Woman December 21, 2013 at 2:17 pm

Only thing is I really dislike the taste of frozen dehydrated vegies. Ick.

worrisome December 21, 2013 at 8:41 pm

NB, I never try to use them as “just vegies” after I have dehydrated them. I use them in soups and stews, they take a long time to plump back up and that is the only way I can get them to not be a bit “chewy”.

S'wt Tater December 21, 2013 at 10:01 pm

I like them, but do use them in soups and stews.whole kernel corn turns out well. i can use my wooden dowel and put 5 lbs frozen , after dehydration in a single quart jar…it smells wonderful. Okra is good dehydrated as well, either fresh or frozen, it does not have to be blanched, even fresh and rehydrates, and frys to taste just like fresh.

Becky December 21, 2013 at 8:52 pm

Nebraska Woman & worrisome
On the frozen veges dehydrated, the quality of the vege makes a difference in the taste when you rehydrate. If I want them for soup-stews, flavr pk is ok(lower price). If you want to use them for a vege side go with the higher price units like bir* eye$. Do a taste test, and see if it works for you.
Wishing both of you a joyous holiday with family and friends.

Kermit5575 December 21, 2013 at 4:26 pm

I do them the same way, very easy.

Okiebama December 22, 2013 at 10:53 am

Which dehydrator do y’all recommend? I coupon and quite often am able to pick up bird optic or colored giant frozen veggies for 20-30 cents a bag. I found my freezer too full to hold more and passed about 15 bags to my kiddos MeeMee.

Also which vaccume system do you guys use? I’m still brand new to prepping and, hope to learn from the advice and the what not to do’s here.

Thanks guys!

Florida Gal December 22, 2013 at 11:59 am

My dehydrator is an Excalibur 9 tray and it really is very good. Just bought the Weston Pro 2300 food saver and the difference is night and day from the cheap Kenmore I had. If you can afford the better units that would be the way to go. I have learned the hard way more than once you get what you pay for.

moonstone December 21, 2013 at 11:43 am

Away in a manger no crib for a bed, the Little Lord Jesus lay down His sweet head.Angels we have heard on high,greatly singing through the sky.What Child is this who lay to rest on Marys lap is sleeping?The Babe the Son of Mary!Joy to the world the Lord is come! Oh Holy night,the stars are brightly shining, it is the night of our Dear Saviors birth. Happy Birthday Jesus; Merry Christmas dear friends.gnli.christianpost.com/video/this-single-father-shocked-the-judges-again-and -this-time-he-sings-quoto-holy-nightquot-22711

worrisome December 21, 2013 at 11:44 am

This was a catch up week. Couldn’t get up to the bol because of work, which is ok, the work won’t be getting in the way of my retirement at year end. Leaving tomorrow for the bay area to see kids open presents. Had a nice surprise or two as regards retirement. My employer threw a huge party and lots of people said lots of nice things, which made me cry and they also gave me a nice bonus. So either they are celebrating that I am finally gone or maybe they will miss me :) :)(

The house here is getting close to being totally repaired, last of it will come the first week in 2014, which is a good thing to my way of thinking.

EE order came in that goes up to the bol. It is a big one. I built a couple more bird houses to hide security cameras in. It is sitting in the middle of the garage and we won’t be moving it until after the first of the year as we are heading to the bay area for the holidays.

BIL & nephew say that my cellar and foundation are in; the cache is coming along nicely; and they can hardly wait until this place is done so I can come up there and cook.

Merry Christmas everyone….TDL is off on vacation so we are all safe for a few days……..Saying prayers for the Robertsons, that this whole fuss comes to a good ending.

Penrod December 21, 2013 at 2:31 pm

Hrrmmph! TDL is on vacation on the other side of our island. Haarrumph and Double Harrummmph, sez I.

bctruck December 21, 2013 at 3:56 pm

I want to wish for a volcanic eruption,but not at the expense of people who are NOT DEMONIC!

wasp December 22, 2013 at 12:05 pm

when he took the big bird to south africa there was hope in my heart but God has mercy on the innocent pilots and crew.

Mari December 22, 2013 at 11:59 am

My sympathies, Penrod. Umm, couldya maybe keep him there for awhile? But the again, he might get too rested up and dream up more stupid stuff.

Penrod December 22, 2013 at 2:26 pm

We’re stuck with him for 17 days. Every time he goes somewhere the traffic is blocked off, but at least there is a mountain range between us.

Their kids are a lot less disruptive: they just have some Secret Service people guarding them, but apparently no traffic blocks. I am glad not to be a Presidential teenager tho- can you imagine dating with the SS all around you? So much for stealing a smooch on the beach.

Patti December 21, 2013 at 4:24 pm

Congrats on the retirement and the lovely send off. I am sure you deserve both. Take care.

Becky December 21, 2013 at 9:01 pm

You enjoy that retirement with your family, friends. Although I have only read your postings for the past year you will be missed.
Think of us as you basque in the warmth of your cabin up there mountain top with your puppy Hope.

midnight1st December 21, 2013 at 9:40 pm

Soon you will wonder when you ever had time to work at a job. You will really enjoy your time. Retirement is wonderful!

suzy q December 21, 2013 at 11:53 am

Not much done this week but did get a trailer load of trash to the dump and thoroughly cleaned a freezer. Started deep cleaning the house – only 15 days til surgery so lots to do.

Nebraska Woman December 21, 2013 at 12:54 pm

My prayers are with you and your doctors.

worrisome December 21, 2013 at 2:12 pm

Suzy Q, several of have prayer chains going, adding you to mine. Good Luck and Merry Christmas!

Patti December 21, 2013 at 4:25 pm

May God give you the strength to get it done. Prayers for the surgery.

farmmomwannabe December 21, 2013 at 6:09 pm

suzy q, Prayers for you, your doctors, your situation.

buffalo drum December 21, 2013 at 7:10 pm

If you would allow me, I will send you distant Reiki. It can help with the healing process and shorten your stay in the hospital while alleviating pain and anxiety.

Papabear December 21, 2013 at 8:53 pm

Prayers for you suzi q

Becky December 21, 2013 at 9:03 pm

susy q
You are on our list of prayers for a healthy fast recovery. When you have time keep us posted on your progress.

Susy December 21, 2013 at 11:56 am

Mostly this week I have concentrated on recovering from a severe case of bronchitis. I am better, but still have a ways to go.

I ordered the kindle edition of Rosemary Gladstar’s Medicinal Herbs: A Beginner’s Guide. I want to learn more about growing herbs and using them other than just cooking. I also ordered dried elderberries, but they have yet to arrive. I understand it will take awhile to make tincture, but that is what I will do with the elderberries after they arrive and I get to the ABC store

Susy December 22, 2013 at 1:19 pm

My water preps came in handy this week as a neighbor’s water inlet from the water meter cracked one afternoon and the plumber could not come till the next morning. I shared both drinking water and flushing water. This family is one who helped us after our home burned three years ago, so I was glad to be able to help in return during their short lack of water.

I am so glad I found this site and improved our preparedness some this past 8 or 9 months. We are no where near where many of you are prep wise, but is significantly better than we were before. I love being able to help others and being in a better position to help ourselves. Merry Christmas to all!

Susy December 22, 2013 at 3:34 pm

Forgot to share a praise rpt with y’all: bil has been out of work since the sequester began. His wife has been working abt 30 hrs/wk at min wage through a temp service since end of summer. BIL rcvd a call Friday offering him a job! Catch: the job is in KY, they currently live in AL and the job begins Monday (tomorrow). He is thrilled to have a job again though.

Also forgot to mention that we have discontinued our DISH. We will be without tv coverage for now. Other expenses are a higher priority. Lots to do and time is passing quickly.

Seamus Finn December 21, 2013 at 12:03 pm

Oh wow.

It was final exams week at the Université Laval, didn’t have much time, between homeworks, the baby girl and the homekeeping (yeah, I’m the cleaner now, since it’s DW’s turn to work full-time =P)

- Received Conflicted, and invited the third member of our prepping circle to come and “play” on monday night.
- Finished reading Max Velocity’s Patriot Rise. Not bad.

That’s it. Nothing great, eh?

Oh, and we bought tickets to the theatre, we’re going to watch The Hobbit tomorrow ^^ Nothing to do with preps, but with a schedule such as ours, it’s going to be great as vacations!

patientmomma December 21, 2013 at 12:11 pm

As the celebration of Christ’s birth approaches, I focused on spiritual preparation. I have been studying the scriptures and listening to Christmas carols and hymns trying to uplift my thoughts and draw closer to our Savior. I downloaded an ebook on Blood Moons, which was written by a Messianic Jew. This, along with The Harbinger, has provided interesting insight to ancient Jewish customs when Christ walked the earth.

Upon Michele’s recommendation I order some Nutribiotic Nasal spray and Grapefruit seed extract to have on hand for sinus problems. I also order and received some fresh herbs, emergency blankets, and vitamins for humans and dogs. Ordered some organic multigrain bread flour to try out. Next year I’ll be working on grinding my own multigrain flours. Picked up some walkie talkies for communication and for a Christmas present. Added another fire extinguisher and replaced my old Bullet mill grinder, which went belly up after 10 years.

Laid in a supply of dog, puppy, and kitten food along with a stash of puppy training pads. My 6 puppies are so fun to be with! They make me laugh and are a huge mood booster. They will be great hunters, trackers, and retrievers when trained.

Does anyone know what the wait time is for receiving silver or gold ordered from J.M. Bullion? Last I heard it was 6 weeks; has it improved yet?

Merry Christmas to all; may you be wonderfully blessed!

Buckwheat December 22, 2013 at 12:43 am

Ironically, I just bought the same book and almost done with it. I hope that you like it. While I have spent a lot of time in the last year devoting time and energy subject of the apocolyptic scripture, I can’t say that I agree with the conclusions that he reached on the details of the pre-trib vs. post trib and how the little horn and the antichrist are one in the same but on the whole, especially about the blood moon calendar and the solar eclipse that starts next year does jive with all that I have been reading a researching. Plus he references back to the activities of the New World Order and how we (Americans) fit into the big picture as it relates to the nation of Israel. I think that it is about to get really interesting…
I have also been following thewarningsecondcomingdotcom in case anyone is interested in the subject.
It is a long story about how I arrived there and here. I’ll try to be a better sharer and less of a lurker if anyone is interested. I cannot share with my christian non-prepper friends because it scares them to talk about or even consider it. You guys, on the other hand, may have more of an interest.

patientmomma December 22, 2013 at 7:14 pm

Buckwheat, I found both books fascinating; I learned a lot about the Jewish calendar, Jewish Feast Celebrations and how they correlate with major world events.

As a Christian, I study the scriptures and Luke 21 has forewarned us… ” 25. And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26. Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a acloud with power and great glory.” (KJV)
Acts 2:20 “The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come”

PGCPrepper December 22, 2013 at 11:48 am


re: JM Bullion…
Takes about ten biz days for me paying with check.

patientmomma December 22, 2013 at 7:01 pm

Thanks much, appreciate the timing info.

Mr. B December 21, 2013 at 12:12 pm

Picked up the book The Aftershock Investor ,very interesting read in regards to all the money the fed is printing to keep interest rates artificially low known as QE3. Book’s prediction the stock market recent increases will not last. Went to b.o.l. and got some exercise in with log splitting(next years firewood supply) and hiking. Also practiced target shooting. Added to food supplies.

bctruck December 21, 2013 at 4:01 pm

MR.B , im opening my log splitting gym to anyone who wants to come workout for FREE!!! show up any time,use my equipment or bring your own. hey, im generous that way.

farmmomwannabe December 21, 2013 at 6:25 pm

Brad, I admire your generosity, opening your gym to all of us. Surely there will be so many Wolfies taking advantage of your gym that the logs will be chopped and stacked in no time! DH and I would be happy to help, but the ice storm has us stuck inside for now. Maybe next time? LOL
ps Love your videos!

Mari December 22, 2013 at 12:47 pm

And his current opinion is that we have stock market and housing bubbles. Predicts 25-50% US stock drop soon.

Marcia Kish December 21, 2013 at 12:20 pm

I am reading the book called “The Complete Illustrated Handbook of Survival”. It was a new book at the library. It has everything in it. I hate to take it back. lol

Donna in MN December 21, 2013 at 12:21 pm

I got my dulcimer out, fixed the pegs and strings and practiced playing Christmas songs for a duet at Christmas with my daughter. It has been a number of years since I played it. Long ago, I used to play it for my supper at group gatherings.

I tore apart my home looking for leather tools long lost for 26 years I haven’t used. I made a leather hinge for my mailbox front lid that rusted and broke off, and a buffalo skull 3-D, tooled, carved and painted for my daughter as a Christmas present. It saves $$ to make gifts rather than buy them, and when it is personal, it is treasured more.

I bred my dog for my breeder. She will handle the pups at 5 weeks old and has people already waiting with deposits for her line as therapy, herding, and service dogs. (she has many titles and certifications for the ancestry). I hope they come in handy as working dogs when shtf.

axelsteve December 22, 2013 at 1:34 am

Donna in mn. What kind of dogs are you breeding?

Donna in MN December 22, 2013 at 10:49 am

Alaskan Noble Companion Dog. Sheba is the most loving dog I ever had. She gives hugs like a human does with arms around the person. The breeder wanted more of her behavior in the line for therapy dogs and cuddly companions. If the breeding takes, I will be taking the pups to the nursing homes for an introduction.

axelsteve December 23, 2013 at 12:44 am

Sounds great Donna!!

Susy December 22, 2013 at 2:02 pm

Is the dulcimer difficult to learn to play? I would like to be able to play a portable instrument. I like the way a dulcimer sounds. I already have a couple of cds of dulcimer music.

Penny Pincher December 22, 2013 at 2:48 pm

Donna, if it’s a 3-string mountain dulcimer try tuning it to DAC and you can play in a minor mode. Fun!

Babycatcher December 22, 2013 at 11:00 pm

It’s very easy. We just had our first mountain dulcimer class at our church, and will be having more, I love it and no electricity needed…

19Pinky67 December 21, 2013 at 12:34 pm

During the past week, we have almost finished building our grow room in the basement. It’s getting close to time to start garden seedlings indoors, so we were quite eager to get this done. All we had to purchase for this project were 2-2×4′s. Everything else used are things left over from previous projects. As I told the Hubs, the plants don’t care how pretty it looks. And, we now have fewer pieces of leftover lumber lying around in our way. Win-Win!

Bugjuice December 21, 2013 at 12:34 pm

We went out in the desert here in AZ and mined a little more gold to put in our stash.

ozhillbilly December 21, 2013 at 12:51 pm

Hi Pack. Mostly spent the week doing research and studying. I did stop by Sam’s to check out prices on a vacuum packer. I had to get directions in the store. The clerk that helped me seemed to be on the ball when the subject of the shipwreck our country has become. That was refreshing. I also checked out their large sacks of rice, beans, etc. I wasn’t too impressed. I did find their Duracell battery display and see they sell 36 count packages at a competitive price. Sure beat the 16 count price per unit. Anyway, I hope to do some serious food preps in the next month or two. That’s about it for me this week. Merry Christmas to everyone and God bless you all.

Hunker-Down December 21, 2013 at 3:15 pm

The next time you’re at Sams, check out their 48 pack “Members Mark” AA and AAA battery packs. They advertise a 7 year shelf life. They don’t get a high visibility spot on the shelves.

ozhillbilly December 21, 2013 at 6:29 pm

Hunker-Down. Thanks for the heads up on the batteries. I’ll check them out. With two grandkids and everything take a battery these days I don’t have to worry about keeping a batch for seven years. : )

JP in MT December 21, 2013 at 6:30 pm

I remember a Christmas as a kid – I got a very heavy present – a box of batteries for all those gifts that needed them, but didn’t come with them.

DJ December 21, 2013 at 10:09 pm

When you have some extra cash consider getting some Sanyo Eneloop rechargeable AAs and AAAs along with C and D adapters. They work great and have a long shelf life between recharges. Check them out a Amazon. Of course, you need a way to recharge them in a SHTF situation. I have a simple Harbor Freight solar power system with a golf cart battery.

Nebraska Woman December 21, 2013 at 12:53 pm

Hello, Pack.

This week was rather sad–2 funerals and good friends to comfort. One expected (from cancer), the other toppled over from a massive heart attack. Now that I am in my 60′s, I suspect that death will occur more frequently among friends and family.

I too love those Idaho potatoes in a box, Michele. I ordered a case but they have not arrived yet.
I found my sharpening stone and sharpened every knife and my small axe. Interesting as I have never done this before.
Dog chow, the more the merrier!
I am saving for a water filter, and it’s just about time to order one. I have a small river about 1 mile away across a field. The banks are steep, but with some ingenuity I can get unlimited water. I just need some animal to help me transport it. I found a small pony cart at a neighbor’s that is for sale. A pony would be easier to keep than a horse/mule, so I am rethinking my purchase.
I also (get this) bought makings for pizza so I can have that wtshtf. I know, I know. But that will be the hardest thing for me to give up! My brother is planning to build an outdoor oven this spring and we will bake bread, etc. in it. The plans are from Backwoods Home Magazine.

That’s it! You all have a Merry Christmas and God’s blessings upon you and yours.

wasp December 21, 2013 at 2:27 pm

goats and big dogs are used as draft animals if that is more convenient than a pony. just a thought.

Nebraska Woman December 21, 2013 at 3:20 pm

Thanks. I thought about that, but if I get the cart I will use that for transportation also. I’m getting a bit too old to ride now b/c of arthritis, so maybe the pony and cart is the way to go.

bctruck December 21, 2013 at 4:03 pm

nebraska woman, if you just order filters and a spigot,you can make your own water filter out of 5 gallon buckets at about 1/4 the cost of buying the whole unit.

Sheri IN December 21, 2013 at 4:48 pm

BC – You are correct. My son built a very nice one for his 75 gal fish tank. Two 5 gal buckets and some other items. It was like $15. We will use one similar if needed. We have a well and will probably still filter the water.
His homemade filter has been much better than the one he spent $150 on….go figure.
It’s funny….his 2 passions are fish and guns. I told him to fatten them up in case we need some extra protein when the SHTF!

bctruck December 21, 2013 at 5:09 pm

hellooooo there sheri! Ive been doing some research on catfish farming using 55 gqallon drums. a renewable resource of good clean unpolluted fish is really intriguing to me.

Sheri IN December 21, 2013 at 7:24 pm

Hey there B!
I’m always here. I just don’t post too much about my prepping anymore. With everyone and their Nazi grandma listening in….well, you know.
I also thought about raising fish. Did not even cross my mind about using barrels. I guess if they can live in a tank, they can live in a barrel. THIS is why I’ve been coming here for the last 5 years. So many like-minded folks that give the best ideas!
How’s the business coming? My son and I will be getting the keys to our building on Jan 1. I think I mentioned earlier in the summer we were opening up our own thing since I lost my job in April. I commend you for taking control of your destiny. It can be scary, but having someone else determine your job status……even scarier! Especially in this economy.
As soon as we get up and running, I will be doing some bigger prepping projects. I still have my heart set on some type of underground bunker. If you don’t set goals, you don’t achieve goals ; )
I guess we’ll see how it goes.

Hope Mrs. Truck is doing well :D

Take care!

axelsteve December 22, 2013 at 10:39 am

Nebraska Woman. I am sorry to hear about the funerals.My friends 42 year old wife unfortunatlly passed away with no warning. She just took a nap and went away in her sleep.I have a firm belief in the ressurrection and Will be happy to see her later.

Survivor December 21, 2013 at 12:55 pm

Besides Christmas shopping and dodging ice storms, not much. We did score a night vision monocular.

Lead bullets are going to be discontinued after Dec 31 as are incandesent light bulbs. Now we know why the feds were buying up all the ammo. I wish they would have bought the bulbs instead!!

oldguy52 December 23, 2013 at 1:30 am

Lead bullets, discontinued after Dec. 31st? Where’d that info come from?

JeffintheWest December 23, 2013 at 2:47 am

It’s been all over the news. Check out “Green Ammo” on google.

OhioPrepper December 23, 2013 at 7:40 pm

I think somebody got something wrong on the bullets. The peoples republic of CA has outlawed the use of lead ammunition for hunting, but I don’t think anything else is going on, on a large scale.
Also, the last remaining lead smelter in the US will be shut down on Dec 31, but all of the industry folks say this will have little or no effect.

Mary in Texas December 21, 2013 at 12:58 pm

Spent most of the week baking and making other gifts for neighbors, all of whom are great people. Finished crocheting another scarf for a local program to provide warm clothes and bedding for homeless and low income people. Locally we have a lot of homeless veterans with PTSD. A lot of them frequent the public library where they are treated as any other customer while they read (No library card without a permanent address but they read almost everything while keeping warm in winter and cool in summer.). They are invariably polite to other users. Trying to keep herbs, tomatoes and other potted plants alive in the cold weather. Despite all the predictions of a warmer winter we have already had a record number of sub-freezing days for this time of the year. Have already had to start using the soup that I cooked and froze earlier–too cold for anything else.

DJ December 21, 2013 at 1:04 pm

A quiet week on the preparedness front. All I did is buy 2 strings of C-9 25 white LED Christmas lights to run off my battery back up system. This is the inexpensive way to buy LED lighting for emergency lighting. These 2 strings use about 50% of the electricity of a single 40w CFL.

Have a Merry Christmas.

bctruck December 21, 2013 at 4:04 pm

im a cheap @#$!^ and im gonna wait till after christmas to buy more strings of LED,s for myself and barter.

Becky December 21, 2013 at 9:30 pm

Make sure you have on steel toed boots, and leggings. Some of those shoppers are just brutal to men shoppers. Just as my dh one year we did the after Christmas shopping for replacement decorations those women with canes can be just meaner than you guessed it………:-).

Ronald December 21, 2013 at 1:11 pm

Just got back from the gunshow (beat the snow) it wasn’t bad, I got a baby browning .25 auto and made a connection for 3 .22 cal. RG.s revolvers for the next show. I got 10 oz.s silver, and 2 boxes .25 autos for the B.B., I finally got the new roof put on the house that’s something. Oh yeah I almost forgot 10 lb.s sugar and the barrels full! And that’s all for this week, later Pack!

Ronald December 21, 2013 at 1:43 pm

I almost forgot I also got my PRI-G betcha can’t guess what I got on my mind.

hvaczach December 21, 2013 at 2:00 pm

Hello everybody, It has been a while since I have posted or read. Between finals and my son having to have a major surgery, It has been a mad-house. Also kept prepping dollars to a bare minimum. Did add a couple D-cell flashlights that I threw right into storage {otherwise the kids play with em till they are broken}. The boy is recovering really well I know he is tougher than I am because he is doing almost no whining. Best wishes to everyone and hoping you all have a very Merry Christmas. “Sic Semper Tyrannis”

bctruck December 21, 2013 at 4:05 pm

glad your back and hope your boy recovers well and fully.

SCPrepperPoppa December 21, 2013 at 4:42 pm

Me too Zach, so scary an experience for all

Lauri no e December 21, 2013 at 8:57 pm

Prayers for you son.

Snakebymistake December 21, 2013 at 2:01 pm

My wife said ok and I picked up a 1911 Remington .45ACP. She said it was to ugly for her tastes. I did have a Colt Combat Commander with match trigger and sights plus two tone blued lower ant stainless upper but she took a liking to it. She shot out the 10 ring at 10 yards and said “it is to pretty to be a guy gun, besides I shoot it better than you” It sits on her book case beside her side of the bed now. I will never get it back. I also gunsmithed and mounted a scout mount and optic on my shortened Mosin Nagant, also got a bent bolt from Rock Solid Inc. They do great work. I have four Mosin Nagants and have used their mounts and bolts on most of them. At the range is a hanging softball at 100 yards and I have to keep restringing it.

Millie in KY December 24, 2013 at 8:26 pm

Snake I had to laugh! I am looking at a Lady Ruger, .22 LR pistol in purple. Maybe in January. My only report for this past couple of weeks is I hit a deer my my car (250 ded.), had brakes put on the truck (280), paid land taxes (400) and then paid half the car insurance (250). So not much left for preps.
I just think it’s a dandy little pistol and will fun to shoot. But hubby and another friend keep insisting I get this purple revolver which is just….ugly. I know I won’t be happy with it, and I will practice more with the pistol that I like. But I can’t seem to convince them of this…..let your ladies pick out their own guns! :)
Job is going well, but exhausting. I will continue to look for another one that pays as well. They have given me one of the more difficult jobs in the place and I know I am doing well but their training program lacks continuity that is so important. Tell me one thing in the classroom and then something else on the floor. At least I’m working. At least money is coming in. And I can pay the house payment which is all that matters….

Snakebymistake December 24, 2013 at 10:06 pm

Millie just put your foot down, My wife love stainless steel S&W revolvers in addition to a couple of Rugers. She is small in stature and fit as well as feel is important. She does like the .45 1911 because she liked the trigger pull and the weight of the pull. She likes the .45 for the power but likes the .38 Special more and can handle the .357. She has a Ruger with a ported barrel that reduces the kick of the .357 to the .38 level. Have a merry Christmas and keep your Duck Call handy. Terry

M.D. Creekmore December 21, 2013 at 2:29 pm

Sarcasm on…

Poor Obama is so worn-out from his hard work in getting the country back on track that he is taking another vacation…


Sarcasm off…

bctruck December 21, 2013 at 4:08 pm

but on the bright side,,,,, at least he isnt here!

Sheri IN December 21, 2013 at 4:56 pm

BC – I don’t trust him no matter where he’s at….I’m fearful for what he has up his sleeve for 2014.

bctruck December 21, 2013 at 5:13 pm

sheri,i truly believe 2014 late or early 2015 is the timeframe in which the world as we know it will change forever. Im baseing my prognostication on 2 years worth of research and reading and a gut feeling ,and ive never in my life publicly made a time frame prediction for anything.

JP in MT December 21, 2013 at 5:42 pm

I do something similar. I just look at what is the next likely time event. 2014 election results are the next “event horizon” for me (late 2014/early 2015).

Nebraska Woman December 21, 2013 at 6:28 pm

bc and JP: I agree. From what I have studied and learned, I think 2014 will be it, and TDL is a person I absolutely do not trust to lead us through this time at all. Nor do I think many in Washington have the brains to lead us.

riverrider December 21, 2013 at 6:55 pm

yeah, hillary will will no longer put up with him dragging her down and have him knocked off, making a martyr of him. “elect me so i can carry on his legacy.” i just hope he makes it to the end of his term and goes away. whats waiting in the wings is even worse.

Sheri IN December 21, 2013 at 7:46 pm

BC – Agree on the timeline. I keep up with politics and finances and it doesn’t look good for either. The minute he thinks he’s losing control, be ready.
In November, I had to do one of the hardest things in a while. I moved my youngest (21) to New York City. I know, I know!! His career took him there, unfortunately. He is only staying 6-8 months. I pray he gets home before anything happens. He is aware of what is going on and has a plan to get out, if he can. He isn’t afraid of anything. In a way, it brings comfort. He keeps telling me, “Mom, if it happens, it happens. I’m not afraid.” He is in top physical shape and would walk home if he has to.
We are pretty much the same with the business. We know it’s coming but can’t just sit around and not make a living. We will run the biz until we can’t run it any longer. I worry about this event coming every day. I’ve given up ever being the person I was before I started really prepping. I’ve always been aware, but it’s a whole new way of thinking for me. I am always waiting for something to happen. I know many of you here feel the same. It can be overwhelming at times.
We are pretty much prepped for anything survivable and we can’t stop it so we just live each day until the end.

Wishing everyone here a very Merry Christmas! In case I don’t post before then : )

Nebraska Woman December 21, 2013 at 9:10 pm

“I’ve given up ever being the person I was before I started really prepping.” Interesting thought. A possible before/after article, Sheri?

Sheri IN December 21, 2013 at 9:49 pm

NW -
I’ll see what I can do. I know many here over the years have made similar comments. Once you change your thought process, you’re never the same : )

Buckwheat December 22, 2013 at 1:12 am

have the same feeling and have been really researching the issue as well. I made reference to it above because (Patient Momma) mentioned the Four Blood Moons book. The Four Blood Moons makes a very solid case for this timeline. The Blood Moon combined in with a Solar eclipse are extremely rare. Jesus references that this will be one of the signs in the book of Matthew. If you are on the same track – it is worth the read. First of the 4 blood moons starts in at end of March 2014.

wasp December 22, 2013 at 12:18 pm

mr. truck,
could you explicate in detail? most interested.

Penny Pincher December 22, 2013 at 3:40 pm

Is it based on apocalyptic scriptures, economic analysis, or geopolitics? Or a mix?

I pay attention to many sources and I think it’s a Communist or Fascist land grab. Communism and Fascism are the same thing, the only difference is how corporations work with the system.

There are a lot of psyops and games going on right now. That whole thing about using political correctness to erode society is true.

What comes after the crash, if the commies succeed, will NOT feature gay marriage or any of that stuff. Those people are just being played like useful idiots who will be discarded/killed along with the intellectuals and dissidents, just like after the Bolshevik Revolution. They don’t want Pajama Boy, they want hard workers who will keep their heads down and accept bread and water for wages.

I think they’re threatened by preppers. Well, duh, because major media is commie controlled and they are trying to make us look like loons in order to reduce our influence.

So let’s be proud of being an existential threat to tyranny and let’s keep being noisy and spreading resilience.

Cavtrooper December 23, 2013 at 12:12 am

+1, If it looks like a snake, crawls like a snake and bites like a snake, it’s probably…….you guessed it.

axelsteve December 22, 2013 at 1:42 am

I wonder if his monkeys can fly all the way over there or if they will ride on af1?

Nebraska Woman December 21, 2013 at 6:29 pm

Oh, come on MD. The man needs a break from traveling on AF1 with Michelle and playing golf. Also his jaws need a rest.

M.D. Creekmore December 21, 2013 at 6:54 pm

Nebraska Woman,


JP in MT December 21, 2013 at 10:50 pm

I just wish he had gotten it in 2010.

Hunker-Down December 22, 2013 at 10:43 am

He needs the rest!
Keeping the lies about every manufactured cat-as-trophy from bumping into each other between his ears is a strength sapping burden to carry. Now that the media is not drinking all of his Kool-Aid, his thought processes are just that more muddled. After all, he cant always be in front of a prompter, so ducking out on another vacation temporality solves that problem and gives his lackeys time to conjure up another distracting cat-as-trophy.

riverrider December 22, 2013 at 12:00 pm

most importantly they grow some killer weed in hawaii ;)

Florida Gal December 21, 2013 at 2:36 pm

The past two weeks have brought us much to be grateful for. Our FL home sold at full price and is on track to close mid-January. We should be under contract on Monday for our new place in TN. Moving in winter will be interesting since we are still running the AC here in FL.
Took advantage of sales and free shipping for a commercial grade food saver, berkey water filter, pressure canner and a Cuisinart food processer. We can’t wait to leave the city behind for life in the woods! Merry Christmas to all!

Patti December 21, 2013 at 4:28 pm

Dont bury your winter coat in a box…you will need it in TN!

Florida Gal December 22, 2013 at 12:10 pm

Thanks Patti we hit the new Bass Pro shop in town and bought several cold weather items that are on sale here because no one buys anything long sleeve in FL.

axelsteve December 22, 2013 at 1:45 am

Florida Gal. I hope that things work out in TN.

Florida Gal December 22, 2013 at 12:11 pm

Thanks axelsteve! After reading several of the posts I feel we are getting out just in time!

wasp December 22, 2013 at 12:29 pm

daughter has lyme disease. disabling. search for ticks–very tiny– every time you go out in leaves,et cetera.
mice have them and they bring them in in the winter. get a cat! ours is our mouse trap–they don’t come out alive! this cat doesn’t bring us his trophies so occasionally find mummified mouse in basement. better than finding a live one.
enjoy your new location.

JeffintheWest December 21, 2013 at 2:49 pm

Sadly, not much this week. I wound up hospitalized over a kidney stone that was shutting my one remaining kidney down. Emergency surgery ensued, and I am now home in some pain and pretty much unable to do anything. Plus, I can hardly wait to see the bills for this one. I’m guessing my budget will take a beating like nothing I’ve ever seen before.

I did manage to buy a couple of new knives before the S Hit the Fan personally. But they won’t do me much good in this situation. I’m just hoping I can keep food on the table. Fortunately we do have about a month’s worth built up…. *sigh* Well, they say God never gives us anything we can’t handle.

Nice barn MD. I was hoping to do something similar next year, but we’ll have to wait and see, now.

patientmomma December 21, 2013 at 3:58 pm

Jeffinthewest, sorry about your surgery; may you be healed in record time!

JeffintheWest December 22, 2013 at 1:39 pm

Thank you patientmomma! Much appreciated.

Patti December 21, 2013 at 4:34 pm

I am so sorry, Jeff. I will pray for God to bless your healing and your finances and your stockpile.
We had a surgery this year and it was a chunk, but luckily we were able to manage the expenses. Hopefully, you will be, too.
If not…They cant get blood out of a turnip, right?

SCPrepperPoppa December 21, 2013 at 4:45 pm

Prayers for you Jeff! May you be back at full speed soon!

farmmomwannabe December 21, 2013 at 6:34 pm

Jeff, Prayers for speedy, complete healing–physical as well as financial. It isn’t fun getting to lie around being lazy when you are in pain! Best of luck!

JeffintheWest December 22, 2013 at 1:41 pm

Things are improving pain-wise day by day — all those prayers are helping folks! Thank you all very very much! Don’t know about the bills yet, but we’ll get by. We always do. Food wise, we’ll be okay — my SO is no slouch when it comes to making do! ;-)

Cavtrooper December 23, 2013 at 12:25 am

Please be very meticoulous when looking at your medical bills. It’s not uncommon for the hospital and the doctor to bill for the same thing, also hospitals are notorious for double billing. Recently we had the hospital send us a $500 bill for something that was a clinical visit, due to a wrong code entered by the biling person. Back when I used to make great money I wouldn’t even look at what they were for, I’d just write the check. Since things got tighter and DW took over the household finances those bills get the third degree if they are a penny off.

JeffintheWest December 23, 2013 at 2:46 am

Yeah — trust me, after my last major medical event, the billing was completely hosed up. I scrutinize and question everything, now! But thanks for some excellent advice!

Nebraska Woman December 21, 2013 at 6:32 pm

You are on my prayer list, too.

JeffintheWest December 22, 2013 at 1:41 pm

Thank you Nebraska Woman! I really appreciate it more than I can say!

worrisome December 21, 2013 at 8:38 pm

So sorry Jeff……..that is just terrible! Get well soon………

JeffintheWest December 22, 2013 at 1:42 pm

Thanks worrisome! At least I have the Pack behind me all the way. Thanks to all of you.

Papabear December 21, 2013 at 8:46 pm

Prayers for you Jeff.

Lauri no e December 21, 2013 at 9:01 pm

Praying for you Jeff.

JeffintheWest December 22, 2013 at 1:43 pm

Thank you very much, Lauri! You guys are all wonderful!

JeffintheWest December 22, 2013 at 1:43 pm

Thanks Papabear!

seeuncourt December 22, 2013 at 2:41 am

What part of the west are you in? Perhaps I can offer you some assistance if you are close by.

JeffintheWest December 22, 2013 at 1:46 pm

Pacific Northwest, seeuncourt, but don’t worry, the entire pack is already helping — just by keeping my morale up and praying for me. And those are big, big helps to me. Plus, I’m not alone; my family is helping, and our friends are here too. However, I really, really appreciate the outreach and offer. Thank you so much!

Mari December 22, 2013 at 12:09 pm

Ouch, Jeffinthewest. My hopes & prayers for a speedy recovery.

While it might seem a shame to dig into the stored stuff, at least you have it. Short-term shtf is still shtf.

JeffintheWest December 22, 2013 at 1:51 pm

;-) Yeah Mari, I never actually believed there was such a thing as “10″ in the pain scale; I always thought it was the unattainable ideal, like a perfect “10″ in ice skating or a perfect sphere. Now I know better! But I’m doing much better this morning, so yay. I chalk it up to the many prayers being sent my way by family, friends, and the Pack. Thank you all again!

And yep! You’re exactly right — we store stuff for an emergency, right? So when one rolls around, well, there you are. Just think how much worse off we’d be if we HADN’T been stockpiling diligently the past few months. Prepping pays, folks, no matter what the SHTF scenario is!

Millie in KY December 24, 2013 at 8:32 pm

Been there, done that, attained the 10. I could not believe how much it hurt….so sorry, Jeff, hope by now you are doing much better. Drink lots of water!

JeffintheWest December 24, 2013 at 11:51 pm

Now that’s good advice! I overdid it today and started bleeding again. It sucks to be me! ;-)

Back on bed rest for a few days, I guess. Not much of a Christmas for my friends this year. I hope I can make it up to them somehow….

Lantana December 22, 2013 at 2:38 pm

More good thoughts and prayers coming to you from Texas, Jeff. So glad you were able to relocate before having to face this challenge.

Bam Bam December 21, 2013 at 2:58 pm

Please keep my family in your prayers. My dad slipped in the shower last night and we took him to the emergency room. He fractured a bone in his neck. We are waiting on the neurosurgeon.

Hunker-Down December 21, 2013 at 3:09 pm

Bam Bam,

Prayers for your dad and family. Please keep us updated on his progress.

patientmomma December 21, 2013 at 4:00 pm

BamBam, so sorry to hear your dad fell especially at this time of year. I pray for his recovery and peace for your family.

Mari December 21, 2013 at 4:05 pm

Oh no, Bam Bam. Hope your dad recovers completely. My prayer headed his way right now.

bctruck December 21, 2013 at 4:09 pm

prayers being sent for a full recovery.

hvaczach December 21, 2013 at 4:20 pm

Really praying for you and yours, that it all comes out well. You have had a topsy turvy year Bam Bam.

Patti December 21, 2013 at 4:35 pm

Definitely praying…Take care.

farmmomwannabe December 21, 2013 at 6:04 pm

Bam Bam, prayers sent for your dad and entire family. Praying for speedy and complete recovery. Hoping he will be comfortable and able to stay focused on recovery. Please keep us posted.

Nebraska Woman December 21, 2013 at 6:33 pm

That’s a tough one. Prayers for him.

Kate in GA December 21, 2013 at 8:19 pm

Bam Bam,

I hope he gets well soon! Prayers for a complete recovery.

worrisome December 21, 2013 at 8:37 pm

Prayers Bam Bam. Stay with him…………..

Papabear December 21, 2013 at 8:44 pm

Prayers said for you dad.

Lauri no e December 21, 2013 at 9:02 pm

Will do Bam Bam.

Bam Bam December 21, 2013 at 10:25 pm

Thank you for your prayers–they mean so much to me and my family.

The doctors are keeping my dad in the hospital for at least one more night. The specialist said they can’t repair the bone because of where it was located. He is being fitted tomorrow for a neck brace that goes down his shoulders and chest. They told him he would have to walk with a walker because one more fall and it might be all over. He has bone fragments near his spine. If he falls, he could really do some damage to his spinal cord.

I am just glad this happened at my house. My husband was there to help my dad back up. And we were able to get him bandaged up so we could take him to the emergency room. If this had happened at my parent’s house, my mom wouldn’t have been able to get him up. She would have had to call an ambulance and then wait 45 minutes. (They live out in the sticks.)

They say all things happen for a reason. The CT scans revealed he had very brittle bones. The doctor is going to put him on some calcium to try to restore some of his bone strength.

They are down here in Florida visiting my dh and I. My brothers are going to install handrails in the shower at my parent’s home before they get back.

Lauri no e December 22, 2013 at 3:01 pm

Bam Bam,

Is there anyway a shower chair could fit in that shower besides the hand rails. Also if you put a shower massage that you could take off the shower head and he could shower sitting down in the chair. Your brothers could also attach a holder to the wall so he could place that shower massage in that holder instead of trying to put in back on the shower head. (I know I said shower to many times)

If you parents could afford it they may want to look into a walk in bath tub that he would sit down and then it also has the shower message to wash his hair.

I hope this makes sense. It’s kinda hard to explain.

Will be praying. I am so thankful that he was at your house.

axelsteve December 22, 2013 at 1:46 am

Bam Bam. I am sorry to hear that.

JeffintheWest December 22, 2013 at 1:52 pm

Definitely praying for you and your father Bam Bam! I hope the news is good.

Lantana December 22, 2013 at 3:00 pm

Heartfelt prayers for your dad and the entire family, Bam Bam.

To support his healing, you might want to start a batch of perpetual bone broth–just put marrow bones, knuckle bones and a splash of apple cider vinegar in a crockpot and cover with water.


Here’s another article about the benefits of homemade bone broth that could be useful right now: http://www.westonaprice.org/food-features/broth-is-beautiful

Bam Bam December 22, 2013 at 6:17 pm

He’s home–thank God. My dh is fixing a steak dinner. My dad is starved. Hospital food is terrible. He’s got a big brace and he’s in pain. But he is in good spirits.

JeffintheWest December 23, 2013 at 2:23 am

Home is a billion times better than any hospital! (Not knocking the health workers, but just being around your family in a familiar place is so much more comforting and relaxing, which does help you heal too!) Prayers continuing for him. You may want to seriously consider the bone broth idea, too. And I second the shower chair idea if you can do it — when I had my kidney out, that was the only way I could shower for about a week, and it was much safer and easier for me.

Bam Bam December 23, 2013 at 5:46 pm

Thanks for all the advise. I am going to look into bone broth. We got my dad back up to Georgia. He is much more comfortable at home. We know he’s doing better because he’s getting grumpy. My brothers will be here Wednesday. They can install/build anything, and they are talking about putting in a walk-in shower for my dad along with handrails.

A funny story for the pack. My mom and I went away somewhere for the weekend many, many years ago. My dad mentioned that he was thinking of putting up a shed in the backyard. My mom didn’t think anything about his comment. When we got home (a day and a half later) there was a massive workshop-shed in the backyard with plumbing and electricity. And it matched the design of the house perfectly, same paint, same roof, same trim, everything. It even has a garage for my mom’s lawnmower.

OhioPrepper December 23, 2013 at 7:43 pm

Home is a billion times better than any hospital. Amen, and you’re at least a million times less likely to get a secondary infection.

JeffintheWest December 23, 2013 at 7:54 pm

You got that right!

PGCPrepper December 21, 2013 at 3:19 pm

* received my Big Berkey

* received a two year supply of Beverly Int. Protein powder.

* ordered two new ammo cans and got some 9mm ammo for G-19

* ordered silica gel for my ammo and PM stows

Fixit December 21, 2013 at 3:56 pm

Late today. Ok mostly just study and research this week . Had a group meeting Sunday afternoon. Working on lining up a guest speaker for our group meeting in February with a focus on Aquaponics . Added a bit more to the food but that is about it.

hvaczach December 21, 2013 at 4:22 pm

Aquaponics is really neat stuff not sure how to implement it this far north but really cool stuff. Do you know can you use shrimp instead of standard types of fish?

JeffintheWest December 22, 2013 at 1:54 pm

I’ve read that you can. You can also use shellfish and the like if you want to. Mind you, we haven’t started our Aquaponics project yet for real, so I’m lacking in useful practical knowledge at this point, but we’ve been doing a LOT of reading on the subject.

patientmomma December 21, 2013 at 4:01 pm

fixit, pls write an article for us on Aquaponics .

OldTexas December 21, 2013 at 4:19 pm

Could you tell me what the horizontal lines are in the grooved panel siding between the door jamb and the building front corner.
It sort of looks like a blue chalk line marks, but I can’t tell. I have not seen wide spaced horizontal lines in panel siding that usually has vertical grooves. Maybe it is Z flashing so they could use leftover small siding pieces (something I would do).
I am just an old die hard doityourselfer and those lines raised my curiosity.

M.D. Creekmore December 21, 2013 at 4:53 pm


“Z flashing so they could use leftover small siding pieces” that is correct.

Schatzie Ohio December 21, 2013 at 4:23 pm

Bought a 25 pound bag of sugar. I would have liked to buy 2 bags but the husband doesn’t think we need another one.
The last one of our chickens died this past week. The husband is happy as he didn’t like that chicken, she was mean. I am hoping to be able to buy chicks this spring. If I can, I want to get Black Australorps or Silver Wyandottes. They are not as aggressive as our now deceased chickens.

KR Prepper December 21, 2013 at 4:29 pm

Wdidtptw week of 12/15/13

Deer Hunting in MO spotted 4 out of range
Hunting as a main meat source is difficult.
Bought tins for flour 50c a piece
Made alcohol stoves for my backpack

Bought cheap quick quiver
Bought string silencers
Bought pack of extra batteries 
Priced molle ammo packs and Straps
Rigged up carrier for my compound bow

Replaced hunting backpack with lg Alice pack
Bought backsplash for cabin,
Bought window for shed $5

Started savings for scooter.
Biked 5miles to hunting property x3
Biked 5 miles with my 50lb pack (bug out)

Ronald December 22, 2013 at 3:49 am

KR prepper what type scooter are you looking at, I am looking for one also, but I keep having horsepower issues with it.

KR Prepper December 22, 2013 at 9:44 am

Hey Ronald,

Im looking at a Yamaha Zuma 125.. It’s the same size frame wise as the 50cc Id only mess with Honda, Yamaha, Sym, and Kymco. The Chinese scooters are junk, and will last you only 5-10k. Unless you are incredibly mechanical, and can get 2 identical ones for under 700.

Ronald December 22, 2013 at 11:58 am

Thanks,i’ll keep looking for the right combo.

Okiebama December 21, 2013 at 4:59 pm

Oh what a week!

I’m still feeling groggy from my zombiedom. During my slumber I completely neglected my FICO. Well this week I called a mortage broker to see how bad it was. The lady came back on the phone stuttering. It appears after several years of inactivity on the credit front, I have no credit score at all. I have lived off of cash and carry only for years. I ruined my credit as a silly kid and am great full I have a second chance. I have an appointment Friday with a credit councilor to see how to progress and hopefully in a year or so qualify for a VA loan for a small piece of dirt in the sticks. We are capable of paying off 50 K mortage in less than 7 years. Luckily we have jobs that are portable and the real estate for a diligent buyer is dirt cheap. So the plan this year is build my score and look for a fixer upper on a few acres.

Beyond that I did an inventory on the med closet and armory. I can fill in a few gaps soon. I checked herbalcom for the prices of some herbs I need. They have a late variety and 7.95 flat shipping no matter the poundage. 1 or 100 all the same with no minimum order. But, they only sell by the pound. If y’all have a cheaper place I would love to hear it.

I was able to add another extra weeks worth of dinners to the stores.

I went through my jewelry box and gathered all the silver into one place for an emergency. Here wasn’t much left after a break in we had a year ago.

I’m afraid I started too late but remind myself I’m better off today than yesterday.

As for Phil… He has every right to his thoughts and opinions just like every other American.

Have a great Christmas or any other holiday you celebrate this time of year!

buffalo drum December 21, 2013 at 5:56 pm

Learned how to set up my Mr. Heater Big Buddy propane heater just in time. Ice storm predicted for tonight and tomorrow. Fortunately, I’m on the same grid as the hospital so my power outages are usually of short duration, but the hospital can last a long time on their big generators, so I like to be prepared just in case. Bought a tarp to shelter the propane tank; it’s on the front step under the roof overhang, but there will be some splash. I’ll secure the top with twist ties and support it over the tank with a steel bar stool. Have a one-burner propane stove for cooking and battery-powered lanterns for light and plenty of batteries. I also have oil lamps, but feel uncomfortable using them in conjunction with the Big Buddy.
Went to FedEx hub and picked up the junk silver I ordered from APMEX. Even a small amount is quite heavy. Checked a few dealers looking for used .22 double action revolver. Going to keep trying. Sooner or later somebody is going to need cash and I’ll be ready. Bought some fuel for Esbit stove and some mylar blankets. Watched a really good video on a 3-tier system of bugout prepping from tacticalintelligence.net; even though I plan to hunker down, there was a lot of good information there and it is the nature of a prepper to try to prepare for any circumstance. That’s it for this week. Prep on Wolfpack!

Ronald December 22, 2013 at 4:00 am

buffalo drum have you checked out Gunbroker online its about the best I’ve found, target revolver wasn’t it ? There are a number of top-break revolvers by H-R that are target grade.

ozhillbilly December 21, 2013 at 6:48 pm

Hi gang. Asking for ideas about where to find junk silver coins besides the obvious places. The local shops want top dollar. I watch eBay regularly and occasionally win an auction for my price which is somewhere between melt and 20 times face. Between the competition and my caution I don’t catch too many. Ideas? P.S. I checked my local Craig’s List last night and almost choked on my coffee. Private sales around these parts are out of the question.

riverrider December 21, 2013 at 7:16 pm

hit up grocery clerks/ country stores to see if they get any in their drawer. some folks get boxes of coins from the bank and go thru them looking for the odd silver that slipped by. vending machine folks get bunches of it when junior hits granny’s stash for soda money. montana rarities has been good to me. if you buy monthly you can get free shipping. good luck.

JP in MT December 21, 2013 at 10:49 pm


I would express caution and patience. Good deals happen, my last was in the grocery store behind someone complaining that the coin counter wouldn’t take their coins. I expressed an understanding to the clerk that I understood that having excessive change to count at the end of the shift was a royal pain and was willing to buy the coins from her. I ended up with $7.50 face value in silver dimes.

I also regularly get “coins for my grandson’s to sort through for their coin collections”. Half dollars seem to yield the best in terms of numbers, but others can be had.

I got a silver nickel in my pocket change last week. And have picked up a few silver coins this way. Mostly from convenience stores shortly before welfare checks come out.

If you are feeling the need to do something soon, you will have to pay the premium. Some of the on-line dealers (I believe Provident Metals is one) sell pre-’65 coins in smaller lots (of course the premium is more).

Good luck and happy hunting!

Ronald December 22, 2013 at 4:08 am

I always get good deals (not the best) at gun shows, I have one dealer that I do business with that usually doe’s it for me.

riverrider December 21, 2013 at 7:11 pm

hi all. nothing much this week either. got one side on my mower/backhoe shed. truck failed inspection, brakes n rotors. i saved 200 bucks doing it myself in an hour. now to fix the 4 wheel drive. that’ll have to wait, funds. wife never heard from her job interview and i got a “however letter” in record time. better luck next time.out here…sic semper tyrannis.

riverrider December 21, 2013 at 7:44 pm

okay not prepping per se, but i been watching the news all day talk about the lockerbie scotland bombing 25 years ago. not one network, not even fox, mentioned that most of the 270 dead were american soldiers. what gives? why would they erase that from the story after 25 years? i’m at a loss.

KDK December 22, 2013 at 8:22 am

Revisionist history????

k. fields December 22, 2013 at 4:26 pm

riverrider, only 15 out of the 270 people killed in the terrorist bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 were US service members – definitely a tragedy that should be remembered (and is in the placement of the memorial cairn in Arlington National Cemetery) but certainly not a coverup or an attempt to rewrite history.

riverrider December 22, 2013 at 6:30 pm

k, it is my understanding that all but 15 were u.s. soldiers. if i’m wrong i had a lot of company for 25 years, but thats not impossible either.

k. fields December 23, 2013 at 12:09 am

Well, let’s see – of the 270 killed, only 189 were US citizens so that kind of throws out the “all but 15″ speculation right there.
There were known to be 16 crew members killed, 11 people on the ground, and 35 Syracuse University students who were returning home after a semester studying in London. None of these folks were US soldiers.
If you’re interested, you can find a complete list of victims here

JeffintheWest December 23, 2013 at 5:04 pm

That doesn’t actually make it any “better,” you know.

k. fields December 23, 2013 at 9:07 pm

I feel stating the truth instead of speculation is always better.

JeffintheWest December 23, 2013 at 2:38 am

I was actually on that very plane the week before the bombing, returning from Berlin with my wife and two little children. There but for the grace of God…. My understanding is that all but 15 of the 270 were Americans, but many of them were family members returning with their soldiers, not all soldiers.

OhioPrepper December 23, 2013 at 7:48 pm

We have a family friend (actually a classmate of one of my boys) who was in the military and headed home on leave, who was scheduled on that very flight. He was able to pick up a standby flight to get home earlier. It still gives him chills when it’s mentioned.

JeffintheWest December 23, 2013 at 7:56 pm

Yeah, I saw the wreckage of the plane on TV and recognized the name (“Clipper of the Seas”) and the bort number on the tail, and I about puked. My wife and two little boys (one was two and the other three and a half) were on that plane.

Ron December 23, 2013 at 8:26 pm

I just checked and there were 15 US military personnel on board 103. http://www.victimsofpanamflight103.org/victims 189 of the 270 were Americans.

JeffintheWest December 23, 2013 at 5:18 pm

By the very list you pointed us to, some19 passengers were indicated as active duty military, at least three or four were family members, one was a civilian employed by the military, and several of the appropriate ages are merely listed as “American.” So I’d say we ALL have our numbers a bit wrong, don’t we? Regardless, however, 270 people died, and frankly that makes it just as tragic, and for the record, the vast majority WERE Americans, though there were Germans, Dutch, British, Irish, Scotsmen, Argentinians, Japanese, Jamaican, and other assorted nationalities among the dead. Terrorism just plain sucks, and is the tool of disgusting cowards who lack the balls to fight openly in an open cause, and instead murder the innocent for their own foul purposes. Not one of the two or three-year-olds on the plane that died deserved to die, nor had they “oppressed” anyone.

k. fields December 23, 2013 at 9:04 pm

I don’t understand the reason for an argument here Jeff – as I originally stated to RR there were 15 US service members on that flight. If you counted more than 15, I suggest you take another look.
The destruction of Pan Am Flight 103 was a tragedy and all those who died should be honored. Their deaths should not be used as fodder for someone’s conspiracy theories.

Ron December 22, 2013 at 6:26 pm

“most of the 270 dead were american soldiers”.
River Rider, I think you are confused with another event.

riverrider December 22, 2013 at 6:31 pm

could be. which one?

No Way December 23, 2013 at 9:53 pm


Curtiss December 21, 2013 at 7:42 pm

This week I got the “American Solar Oven” I bought a few weeks ago out and decided to try it out. First check out the instruction manual, and watch a few utube videos. Then I decided to bake a loaf of bread, WOW! Best loaf of bread I have had in years. I also had to check out drying some mint, rosemary, and thyme, that worked out great too.
Cooking I the solar oven is great and because the cooking chamber seals, there is no smell to give away your location or the fact you are cooking.
I finally found the gun I have wanted for over a year, and think that $450.00 was a great buy for a Kelly Tec sub 2000 9mm glock mag.
I also added 600 rounds of 9 mm and 15 rounds of 12 ga slugs

Mari December 22, 2013 at 12:39 pm


will e styles December 21, 2013 at 7:54 pm

Hi All,

This is totally off topic. I just got an e-mail from my bank that because of the Target data breach daily limits are at $300 and ATM withdrawals are limit to $100.00. on the last shopping weekend before Christmas? I also could not help but notice that the E-mail was sent just after all the branches closed for the weekend. Is this some kind of banking holiday? A practice run? I think I might be visiting the bank on Monday. Anyone else have a thought on this?

Patti December 21, 2013 at 9:48 pm

I dont know, but unless you used your card at Target during the breach, I would be very suspicious….

worrisome December 22, 2013 at 12:18 am

That would be because that bank you are talking about has been busy limiting other exchange transactions from business customers as well. Their float isn’t floating……………and who knows how bad this Target thing is affecting their bottom line.

Bam Bam December 22, 2013 at 3:14 am


I hope you aren’t dealing with Bank of A–they’ve got serious money problems. I had dh’s daughter pull her money from them over a year ago.

worrisome December 22, 2013 at 10:28 am

Bam Bam – the announcement was from JP Morgan Chase.

Ron December 22, 2013 at 6:30 pm

My wife and I both got phone mail from Wells Fargo and we don’t bank with Wells Fargo.

Mari December 24, 2013 at 11:05 am

Sounds like scammers from “Card Services,” We’ve been getting a lot of that.

Rifleman336 December 21, 2013 at 9:06 pm

Bought two pieces 3 ft. pieces of 3mm rope one red, one green for practicing making knots, like a good little Boyscout…. Got some tough food grade resealable bags, and WP license carriers for storing various things in a EDC survival kit. Got some tins to experiment with… And some Scotch 33+ electrical tape to seal those tins. Packing and repacking the subsistence bag to find a better lighter way of doing things.

axelsteve December 22, 2013 at 1:58 am

I have a question for the gun folks. I have a nice marlin 781 in 22 lr. I was thinking of having it rechambered for 22 mag.I have a couple of 22 lr and I think a 22 mag would add some flexability.Also some times 22lr is no where to be found but some 22 mag is in stock. It would be worth it to me if it cost about 200 bucks to have it done.

midnight1st December 21, 2013 at 9:25 pm

This week I got in a stove top popcorn popper and some popcorn to put up. Also got in some items for the medical kit including a neck brace. Received a bunch of water bobs that I am giving to everyone that I think will take one for Christmas. Got in some can organizers and went to work on the pantry. Found some holes in what I want to have and went to the store and stocked up on some can goods two for $1. Also made plans for what I need to buy in my next three Sam’s visits to get supplies up to what I want them to be.

Ripped out a 25′X15′ strip of grass out of my front yard in order to plant a new herb bed. I researched plants that I want to put in it in the spring. I think that it will be really pretty as well as medicinal. After all, grass is just a future garden.

Spent some time writing my Congress people encouraging them to block the fast track on the TTP.

Put up 7 pints of hot spiced apple pickles. They are beautiful in the jars, but I’m not at all sure about the taste. They may have to turn into table decorations. Too bad.

The DH just refused to get me anything practical for Christmas. He says that it is no fun to do that. So, he’s getting me a harmonica and harmonica lessons. I am so excited. I have always wanted to be able to play. But, that is still prepping because we will need some entertainment when SHTF.

Merry Christmas to all the Pack! May God grant you peace, health and happiness in the new year no matter what happens.

wasp December 22, 2013 at 12:55 pm

what are can organizers and where do you get them? my stacks are overflowing.

Nebraska Woman December 23, 2013 at 2:03 pm

I got mine at Target, but pay cash.

midnight1st December 28, 2013 at 12:54 am


I got mine from canorganizer.com. They are relatively expensive for what they are, but they do work well. They are made of cardboard and are aggravating to put together, but, once you get the hang of it, they are okay. They come four to the pack and they make them in different sizes for different sized cans. The regular ones hold 13 regular sized cans. They make it really easy to rotate the cans. It is so hard to keep the cans in the correct order to rotate without something like this. And, with this, the cans do not fall over and get out of line.

There are also some Youtubes on making your own out of soda can cases. I think that if you had a pattern and lots of cardboard, you could make your own work.

Col. D December 21, 2013 at 9:32 pm

Hello pack, received 2 heavy 85% wool blankets from sportsman’s guide. Got some Uncle Bill’s key chain tweezers for EDC, these things are great. Not much else this week, had to repair the heating system and luckily a friend helped me out with another set badly needed hands.
Some local hospitals have been inundated with people needing treatment and surgeries in high numbers the past couple of months. It seems that people are afraid of where the ACA will leave them starting January 1, 2014 and getting what ever they can get done now while they still can. Most likely worse off than where they are now.
I have been watching sales of the Gen II ILBE backpack’s and assault packs from several sources but the pricing is high for various levels of quality. I would like to purchase one of these systems to carry the ECWSS and other EDC items but don’t want torn up packs.

Allright I'm Awake December 21, 2013 at 9:57 pm

Funny how when really great news comes the bad is not far behind.

I fulfilled a heart’s dream. Found a 1983 Ford Cobra Class C motor home in excellent condition. I may have paid a little to much (6500) but it was in such good shape i could not pass it up. The seller was a master Mechanic that had overhauled it from stem to stern. DD2 and her SO work on cars etc and went over it and thought it was a steal. I now have my way out of the big city when the shtf starts. Also a place to stay in with my preps in place. Living in the South means i don’t need to worry about freezing. The heat will have to take its toll. I have lots of plans for this hope I have the time left to work them out.

Then the other shoe dropped… Believe it or not I turned over in bed and twisted my knee… don’t ask me how i specialize in doing dumb things. Played healthcare roulette trying to get some relief.. After receiving wrong info from the clinic told to go to the ER hoping to get something so i could sleep and walk to the bathroom.. no luck… I have side effects to almost every pain killer known to man and they no longer write scrips for the only thing i know of I can take. ER Doctor told me that it is covered by the DEA and no one wants to mess with them. So no pain meds except Tylenol home again and twisted it again in the bathroom and could not get out on my own… EMP’s had to come help me out… long story… anyway this nonsense went on from Wed. through Mon. Had many people praying for me and today Sat. it is much better with not much help from the medical profession. I think i can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

The biggest surprise in all this is DH didn’t balk at buying the RV in fact paid for most of it. All in all I am a happy prepper.

As far as the world stage is concerned has anyone ever looked at Daniel 11:20 … Start with GWB in vs 20 and go on from there. My Church does not see this as a possibility and I have not seen it anywhere else but I would love to hear ya’alls opinion. If it is what I think, we are about in vs 30 maybe… I think vs 21 fits TDL so well I may be reaching a bit. Something to think about.

Keep prepping.

Ronald December 22, 2013 at 4:23 am

AIA do you have any ALEVE taken with TYLENOL it will have a narcotic effect that works very well. (quick too).

Sunshine December 22, 2013 at 12:59 pm

Not sure if you are into essential oils, but I’ve heard that several can be used topically for inflammation and pain. Might be an option. This is an area I really want to dig into, myself.

wasp December 22, 2013 at 2:17 pm

it is not an american, so tdl, as you call him, is just a little precursor, as have been so many tyrants before throughout history.
but i do think the descriptions of what is obviously the aftermath of nuclear war in the Bible do bring us to the point where we could be the generation that sees the end..terrible times. ‘pray that those days be not in winter’.
although every generation before us has seen signs they thought pointed to the end.
don’t fash yourself over it but be like the wise virgins, ready for His coming at whatever day or hour it might be.

Penny Pincher December 22, 2013 at 3:51 pm

Eat some turmeric, it will help with the swelling.

grannyc December 21, 2013 at 10:38 pm

We worked on hand crank pumps for the 55 gallon drums, put up a ping pong table in the front room for winter exercise, put a heater in the water trough to stop freezing and spent time with friends and family. Not a lot but everyone needs an off week once in a while.

S'wt Tater December 21, 2013 at 10:48 pm

Prepping? purchases,..not so much, Put up another few gallons of water,did reading and double checking myself on the preps I have been doing for a little while.
4 big bags of coffee,box of instant potatoes and instant rice.. re-organizing entire kitchen, ..taking care of others both in home and out of home.
Took food box to neighbor and am preparing another one from stocked supplies. I am like the person who commented earlier, My character I do not want to loose..those who know truth, will stand with those who express opinions and quote scripture. Some persons will not stand,and will yell and scream …the truth remains unchanged.
MY opinion will not change truth, and NO one else’s will either..the only thing that can change is man’s response to the truth. We choose to accept or deny.
Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy and prosperous New Year.. If you celebrate another holiday at this time of year, make it a happy time…. Prayers go out for those having surgeries and illness’
Did not watch the duck dynasty, but will now buy the boxed set when the opportunity presents it’s self… Keep on keeping on!

Ronald December 22, 2013 at 8:39 pm

Amen S’wt Tater Merry Christmas.

k. fields December 21, 2013 at 11:40 pm

Not much going on here – spent the week rotating out older food and equipment from the fall-out shelter (I know, I know, but back in 1972 it seemed really important to build one) and 3 caches. Normal work for me during the week prior to the solstice as I consider it to be the start of the new year. Found a few more of the #10 cans of powdered milk I purchased back in 1986 that had gotten shoved back in a cubbyhole but nothing else too exciting.
Spent today working on my “New Year’s Resolutions” for 2014 – tomorrow will be spent looking over last year’s list and trying to analyze how 2013 played out for me.
Right now though, I’m off to join the local revelry, enjoy the longest night and celebrate Dies Natalis Invicti Solis (the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun).

Seamus Finn December 21, 2013 at 11:42 pm

Oh and I forgot to mention that I sent a offer to a seller on craigslist… He’s offering wool blankets for 2$ each, but since they are rather small (40×60-ish inches), I counter-offered at 30$ for 20 with delivery.

20 sheets should be enough for the windows of a 3-bedrooms appartment ^^

ladyhawthorne December 22, 2013 at 1:52 am

This week I’ve watched a lot of YouTube videos on gardening and a great series on making herbal remedies. The one on herbal remedies is called Grow Your Own Medicine with James Wong. A BBC production and very easy to follow, I’ve bookmarked his books on Amazon.

Since I now live in a drought area I also did some online learning about ollas (oy as) and how to make my own with 2 flowerpots. You bury them in the garden and place plants near them, adding water to the ollas as needed. Looks like a good plan that I will try this next year as we no only have drought but lots of wind.

I’ve saved 2 milk jugs and several paper towel and tp rolls so far so I can start some seeds early. Got some organic seeds in that I ordered and bought a nice rosemary plant on sale.

Still job hunting and hoping to find something soon after the holidays.

Very grateful to be out of the Houston area for many reasons not least of which is the H1N1 outbreak and happy to be spending more time with family.

Bam Bam December 22, 2013 at 3:25 am

Lady Hawthorne,

I have seen folks put the unglazed ceramic jugs in their gardens for moisture but I didn’t know what it was called. The Dervaes family (the urban farmers in city plot from California) do that. I was thinking about trying it next year. I think this would work great especially in areas where you can’t water.

seeuncourt December 22, 2013 at 6:45 am


“This makes the projectile environmentally friendly, while still giving soldiers the performance capabilities they need on the battlefield.”

I find it comforting to know that they can kill you without harming the environment. *sarcasm*

JeffintheWest December 22, 2013 at 1:37 pm

Actually, killing you HELPS the environment — all that extra fertilizer, right? And now, without the lead, it’s just all good!

Penrod December 22, 2013 at 2:37 pm

“War: It’s for Gaia”

Dang, now even the Liberals will be demanding wars.

R-Me December 22, 2013 at 9:39 am

Our 10 solar panels are hooked up and producing, very exciting and early 2014 we will have the inverter/battery installed so we will be off the grid completely !
DH and buddy are still installing triple paned windows (3days before Christmas I’m not happy but the windows are beautiful and the have added wide shelves to all of them for plants in the winter time) half the house has Christmas decorations up and the other half looks like a construction zone! I’m not really complaining because the end produce will be wonderful.
I hate crowds, so I don’t shop in December, and spent last w/e wrapping and this w/e baking (if I did it the other way around we wouldn’t have any cookies lest for Christmas)

I repacked my GHB to include my old BDU jacket which is lined and very warm. I’ve had to scrape ice from my windshield twice this past week, so it was time. I work an hour away so I know it would take me more than a day if I had to walk home so I need to be prepared for that overnight in the elements.

I wish everyone in the pack and their families a blessed and Merry Christmas, Im so thankful I found this community Ive learned so much and I feel very comfortable here as a member.

Mari December 22, 2013 at 12:37 pm

Nasty timing for all that stuff going on, but congrats on such excellent acquisitions.

Donna in MN December 22, 2013 at 11:04 am

There is another “preparedness” to be ready for as Jesus taught us to be prepared spiritually for we do not know when the master comes. He also taught us to be thankful, kind and giving, but beware of the evil that lurks at our doors.

I want to wish everyone a wonderful Christmas and “Be Prepared Physically and Spiritually” during this special Christmas season.

Ronald December 22, 2013 at 12:15 pm

Duck Dynasty is drawing out the idiots, the latest in the news is Charlie Sheen, he’s the latest to make my boycott list (along with Sly Stallone) I swear the whole world is full of them. Fertalizer eaten big mouths.

Mari December 24, 2013 at 7:08 am

Most of them are dumber than doorknobs, yet look how many lap up every word that exits their big mouths. Scary.

jrread December 22, 2013 at 12:18 pm

Purchased a set of shelves for our kitchen, for more prep space.

OhioPrepper December 22, 2013 at 12:19 pm

Out of state in AZ this past week. Good to be back and taking some time off over the holidays. Might even have time to wade through all of these posts.

Mari December 22, 2013 at 12:34 pm

Next to nothing prep-related. The # of hours I’m putting into work are wearing me out and killing any time for doing much of anything else. Have barely done more than lurk a bit here with the Pack. It’s so ridiculous that I’ve been pulling more out of preps than I’m replacing. Not good!

I did manage a bus trip to NYC; I like poking around in the Natural History Museum — lots of ideas there. Walked about 3 or 4 miles that day, enough to know that my boots don’t have enough arch support and that it was very uncomfortable wearing light-weight nylon socks under my mostly-wool heavy socks.

Keeping up with medical, dental, and eye appointments. Will definitely stock up on some regular reading glasses. Need back injections just to keep standing and to get leg pain under control. If Obummercare sticks around, I feel very sorry for those middle-class of us with chronic conditions. Frewed would be a good description.

The dp’s oldest db passed away suddenly, and his dm could go at any time. I don’t know if the dp will be able to handle that. Yes, my 9′s are locked up. Wonder if he’ll be more agreeable to getting out of NJ. But I don’t want to go to Dallas area for two reasons — don’t want to be near a big city or anywhere near his toxic oldest daughter!

For Christmas, the dp and I are exchanging one gift only. Maybe I’ll get more wool sox or replacement frying pans.

Hope everyone has a Blessed & Merry Christmas and a Happy (& Safe) New Year!

wasp December 22, 2013 at 2:36 pm

40 yrs ago loved lockhart, tx and wichita falls[too close to dallas and watch out for tornadoes!]
hter are many places in the world and the cumberland plateau may be calling you. far from dallas, too.

Mari December 24, 2013 at 7:07 am

Yes, I’ve been hearing the call more and more. It ain’t safe and it’s getting more and more expensive here in NJ. Way past time to escape, and the bugger is that I know it.

MD or somebody, just tell me one thing. How bad are the timber rattlers and copperheads there on the Plateau? OMG, Mari driving up and down hills, talk about vertigo. LOL.

DJ December 24, 2013 at 10:24 am

Merry Christmas. I escaped from NY last fall and moved to WNC. I was not in the preparedness mindset when I left NY. I just had to escape the high cost of living and high taxes. If you can escape the NY metro area do so. You won’t regret it be it going to TN, NC or where have you.

Mari December 24, 2013 at 11:01 am

DJ, congrats on the great escape. I’m in south Joisey, but the COL and taxes are horrific nonetheless. Hope I can get somewhere the lefties don’t try to take over. Idaho property too $, Tenn much more attractive to me.

OhioPrepper December 24, 2013 at 11:04 am

I don’t know about the timber rattlers and copperheads there on the Plateau, but we have them here in Ohio and in Western PA where I grew up, and they are really nothing to worry about. When working in areas where you might encounter them wear good boots and don’t be afraid of making some noise. In 60+ years living and spending time in snake habitat, I’ve only seen them perhaps a dozen times. If you have curious dogs, then they are more likely to be bitten than a human; although even that isn’t a really frequent occurrence. These snakes are naturally shy, generally use their poison to hunt food, and realize we are too big to eat. I suspect the snakes in the NJ government are more dangerous than the real creatures in the field and forest.

JeffintheWest December 24, 2013 at 3:49 pm

I’m with Ohioprepper on this one — I lived in Ohio for a couple of years (including a lot of time spent out at my grandmother’s farm) and in Alabama for a year or so while I went to flight school, and then Pensacola for a couple of years more when I was a Squadron Commander there, and I don’t recall ever even seeing one. But we always made a point of making a lot of noise in areas with heavy underbrush so they had plenty of time to go hide.

PGCPrepper December 24, 2013 at 4:10 pm

Dothan, Al? Went through the Warrant Officer Entry Course in ’87 at Rucker. Got a coin for Distinguished Honor Grad. I was a tech warrant though so I moved on to Ben Harrison afterwards. I was a Drill Sergeant before the course so it was easier to graduate #1.

As an aside and not relevant to anything but interest but over one-half of our class was left handed. Weird. Attention to detail (tech warrants) seems to be easier for left handed folks I’ve learned; something I pay attention to. Guess how many Presidents post-Carter that was left handed?

PGCPrepper December 24, 2013 at 4:12 pm

*were” left handed. Old age has taken it’s effect however. Ha.

JeffintheWest December 24, 2013 at 6:24 pm

Yep. I was an Air Force officer learning to fly choppers there at Mother Rucker. Lived over in Enterprise. Remember the Boll Weevil monument? ;-)

Patti December 25, 2013 at 3:25 am

The last time I was at Real Foot Lake there were snakes hanging from all the trees. A little unnerving, since Jt was only four and hyperactive!

Patti December 23, 2013 at 12:11 am

Mari, Sorry you are still struggling with that back. Definitely be careful. I will keep you in my prayers. hope you have a clam holiday, friend.

Patti December 23, 2013 at 12:11 am

Calm, I hate autocorrect.

Mari December 24, 2013 at 7:01 am

Thanks, Patti. We’re having a very laid-back holiday here, the dp and I even limited ourselves to exchanging only one gift. Food shopping today only for Italian bread, 3 fishes, and some fresh veggies. My dd and sil sent us an Omaha Steak box that included stuffed potatoes. Sounds like dinner to me!

You’re in my prayers, too, and hope you enjoy a blessed Christmas!

Patti December 25, 2013 at 3:22 am

Yum, those steaks will be good! A quiet Christas sounds good, too!

We are having some extra teen boys, so not sure our Christmas will be quiet…

Merry Christmas.

JeffintheWest December 22, 2013 at 2:09 pm

Mari, try 100% cotton thin socks as your underlayer with your boots. You need the two pairs of socks to help avoid blisters and stuff, but nylon against the skin is never a good idea for too prolonged a period in my opinion, if you’re going to be sweating a lot. (Which your feet do in boots and socks.) Speaking as an old “Light Infantryman” who had to road march pretty much everywhere we went…. ;-) Depending on the size of your boots in relation to your feet and socks, you might be able to get an insert for more arch support as well (assuming you don’t want to get a different pair). Be careful with that though — you don’t want the boots too tight or you could wind up with “trenchfoot” if you have to wear them for prolonged periods in wet conditions.

Mari December 24, 2013 at 6:54 am

Thanks, JeffintheWest. I’m experimenting carefully, and I avoid too-tight boots first and foremost. I’ve got a wide foot but narrow heel, meaning men’s boots are too sloppy for me so far. Narrow size maybe, but very hard to find. Sizing a bugger even in women’s, 9W can be too wide and 9-1/2M can get sloppy. Just gotta find the right-fitting boots at a decent price. My Timberland Chokoruas have just the right heel to foot height for me because of bad back. Can’t afford Danners. You’re absolutely right re inserts. Good ones can take up a lot of space, and then it’s back to square one for fit!

Amusing how “experts” in the hiking field tout the nylon socks to wick moisture out to the wool socks. I’m not sold on that. The PowerSox (70/30 or 80/20 wool/nylon, I forget) that I wear with my Timberland Chokorua boots are very comfy soft and warm, but I can feel my feet sweat somewhat if my production office is too warm. I’ll look for some nice soft heavy cushioned-foot cotton socks to try for work. And some soft thin cotton ones for doubling with wool for outside cold.

Penny Pincher December 22, 2013 at 2:32 pm

I was pretty broke this week, but I finally bought that book all Appleseed instructors are supposed to teach history out of (Paul Revere’s Ride) used for cheap; and I sold an item on Ebay and wrapped it up and sent it. I don’t get my money for a while though, because Paypal is being cautious because I don’t have a big seller track record. They make you wait 3 weeks for your money. Keep that in mind if you start doing this, that you won’t get instant payment. Anyway, I wanted to reduce my stuff and make money so that I can become more mobile and this is the beginning.

Dare T. on an earlier post offered advice on making a portable profession and I wrote to her about it – GREAT advice, and if anyone else missed that, you need to go back and find the post and ask her for help. I think this would work for me, that I already have the skills needed and only have to put it together in a way that works for me. Now, if some EMP destroyed all the electronics of course telecommuting sales won’t work, but while it works, use it. I have skills for after a crash too.

The rest of the week was spent fixing up my apartment between roommates and dealing with a minor plumbing issue in the other apartment. My goal is to be done with the repairs by the end of Sunday, but we’ll see. I have a big gob of drywall mud I slapped on the wall that is probably still drying. It will need a second gobbing. So maybe I’ll be done except for that area.

Lauri no e December 22, 2013 at 5:41 pm

I will catch up next week.

Merry Christmas Everyone!!!!! Be Safe, Praying for all of you!

Shandi have fun with you kiddo at Christmas it always fun watching kids get so excited about Christmas.

We haven’t heard from Mama J (new Grandma) in a while hope things are ok but I sure you are busy bee this time of year.

Has anyone heard from I think Petticot Junction in a while I remember she was going through a bad divorce after serveral years of marriage lets remember to pray for her. Praying for sick ones, and also those who need a job. Prayers to all!

Blessings!!!! Merry Christmas!

Lauri no e

Wild Weasel December 22, 2013 at 8:39 pm

Weather here has slowed down some preps, but did pick up a Moosberg MVP w/ Optic. Christmas was upon us so we also directed funds towards the kids, gifts slide toward preps.

livinglife December 22, 2013 at 9:16 pm

Due to a plumbing problem i got a chance to practice living without city water for about 12 hours. Its easy to forget how great it is to simply turn a knob and get water and what a treat hot water is.
I’m re thinking some of my previous strategies on water now. I can live in the dark but I like my hot shower/bathing.

Mari December 24, 2013 at 7:10 am

A lot to be said for running water.

Candy from Nebraska December 22, 2013 at 9:43 pm

I bought a used Dehydrator for 10.00 had only been used a few times. Daughter bought us an electric meat grinder for 40.00 from the same people had only been used 2 times. Bought 36 cans of canned beef at 4.50 a can normally 6.95. Other then that I have just been trying to get my orders done before Christmas. I have started selling my crochet projects for the extra cash. So far it is slow but it is selling.

Susy December 23, 2013 at 3:17 am

Candy, I have been thinking of selling crocheted items myself. I would love to hear what is working for you and how you are going about it. I think M. D. can facilitate an email exchange if you are willing. Thanks so much!

N2Y December 22, 2013 at 10:48 pm

I obtained a new to me Ipod from a family member who had upgraded. After Christmas I plan on downloading how to videos, books both for pleasure and learning, as well as music since I don’t want to give it up. I plan on putting it in our Faraday cage, just in case. An EMP isn’t high on my threat matrix, but just in case I wanted a back up of electronic storage that I could put away, and charge easily. We also have 4 handheld radio’s in there, just in case. My other purchase this week was a picture book of edibles found wild in our area. I am not counting on foraging, but not a bad skill to have if needed. My DH and I did some target practice and I am getting decent with a rifle, but not so much with the handgun. I figure that if I am shooting with the handgun the target is not going to be as far away though so it more important to adjust for the recoil and hit the center mass 3 times versus accuracy at a distance.

Happy Camper December 23, 2013 at 3:51 am

Stocked up on apple cider vinegar capsules. Sealed a few kg of dehydrated veg in the food saver. Ordered online some water purification tablets.
Practiced with the dehydrator on meats, chicken, beef and fish.
Have had my daughter in hospital with a kidney infection from her diabetes so been lots of driving to and from the hospital !
Finally getting ready for a family Xmas :)
Merry Xmas wold pack and MD

M.D. Creekmore December 23, 2013 at 9:33 am

Happy Camper,

Merry Christmas to you too…

Mari December 24, 2013 at 11:59 am

Oh no, Pack, my dd just called to tell us that her dh is in the hospital since last night. He has a big stone in his gall bladder, has to have his gall bladder removed, his kidneys aren’t working right, and they’re running tests to check on the condition of his heart as it’s possible he’s had a mild heart attack in the past and didn’t know it.

We’d appreciate prayers for the couple. Thank you so much.

Patti December 25, 2013 at 3:19 am

Oh Mari,
So sorry to hear about your SIL’s troubles. I will definite pray for them now. Keep the faith, friend.

Mari December 25, 2013 at 12:00 pm

Thank you, Patti.

The latest was a cardiologist, MD, and an RN fighting over who’s interpretation of EKG was correct. The sil had a fit over surgery on Christmas eve and decided he wanted to be home and requested Friday for surgery to have gall bladder removed. He might be able to see my dd’s cardiologist beforehand, which would be a very good idea. The kidney problem is due to at least one kidney stone. Groan, he’s going to be in double agony. My dd, to her great credit, has actually been paying attention to SOME things I’ve said — she mentioned to the ER doc that her dh’s sudden switch to all things healthy (including lots of spinach and other greens) could have caused an oxalic-type stone. Doc said that’s impossible. Wanna bet? That’s what happened to my dp. Anywho, I doubt the sil will want to catch that stone in one of those medical strainers and have it analyzed. He may change his mind when he finds out what real pain is all about.

So the young(-ish) couple will be together at home for Christmas.

Survivor December 25, 2013 at 10:44 am

I put on a test batch of mash. My stepson found a complete Miromatic pressure cooker and we’re setting it up to brew a batch on the stove. Then will follow a string of distillery experimenting…witch hazel, brandy, rum….the list is endless.

I’m still cleaning the debris from the latest ice storm. I saved all the pine needles for mulch. I have a neighbors fence to fix due to my falling limbs. Bad part is, this is a neighbor with pit bulls that have broken free and threatened my family. Still, its my responsibility…

We scored some night vision monoculars and took them to a remote island away from as much light as possible. Those things work pretty good. We saw some armed poachers hiding in the brush and decided we’d seen enough.

Rob in Ontario December 27, 2013 at 2:43 pm

Merry Christmas to all or what ever holiday your celebrating, not much done lately – did receive reloading equipment for about 12 different calibers, had a funeral today was sister in laws father , was ill for a few years but such a sad time of the year for it to happen . We got thru the freezing rain storm last weekend ok never lost power but was prepared just the same . Had a friend in Toronto lose theirs for almost 2 full days she had nothing to heat the house even thou she had a fireplace I told her to roll newspaper up in log form .

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