What did you do to prep this week?

by M.D. Creekmore on August 27, 2011 · 454 comments

Before we start with this weeks “what did you do to prep this week” segment I would like to thank K Fields and Judith H for their generous donations. I think this is the first time that I’ve ever received two donations in one day, that you both – it’s good to know the blog has helped you enough that you felt a donation was warranted.

On another note; we will be starting another writing contest next week – look for a list of prizes to be announced tomorrow. One hint, the prizes are awesome, so get to work on your entries… :-D

Didn’t buy a lot of preps this week, with most of the week devoted to working at my new place (I’ll get some pics taken and posted in next weeks segment) mainly clean up where the old trailer was parked. I need to get some more bulldozer work done along the rear property line, I want to clear off about an acre here to use as a pasture for a milk cow and a couple of goats.

The thing, I love most about this property is that it takes the high ground and no one can see me or what I have just by passing through, the only way to see what is going on, on top is to actually come onto my property and look.

Armed Response sent copies of two of their instructional videos namely “Shoot / No Shoot Scenarios” and  “Responsible Use of Lethal Force” look for my full review next week. Lets’ see, what else… and I received my first issue of my subscription to Countryside & Small Stock Journal - great magazine.

What did you do to prep this week?

 

454 comments

Judith August 27, 2011 at 10:30 am

M.D. looking forward to those pictures.
The instructional videos from Armed Response sound useful. If your review is good I may order them.

This was a light week on preps. I bought a case of the smaller size cans of Morning Moo.
And 12 cases of bottled water.
Nursing my 2nd crop of cukes and beans along in this heat wave.
And picked dozens of tomato worms off the tomatoes.
That does it for me, what about you guys? Have a great week everyone and hope there are no hard feelings about all the arguing. And congrats to Gayle for all the responses to her article. Anything that generates that kind of interest is good for all of us.

Gayle August 27, 2011 at 2:51 pm

Judith,

No hard feelings. We are passionate about what we do and sometimes that passion boils over into heated debate. It did take me by a bit of surprise that talk of hamburger could get so heated. LOL

axelsteve August 27, 2011 at 5:06 pm

Well hamburger is very imporntant,ha ha ha

OhioPrepper August 27, 2011 at 5:29 pm

It was to the cow :)

Gayle August 27, 2011 at 10:29 pm

Mad cow disease.

K Fields August 28, 2011 at 12:04 am

Ya know, I can’t donate blood because I was working in Europe during a break out of mad cow disease. And I don’t even eat meat. Hamburger can affect the rest of your life!

michael c August 28, 2011 at 3:44 am

Not all cows are mad, most are sane.

Schatzie Ohio August 28, 2011 at 4:01 pm

Some are California happy cows because they live on Bandini mountain.

KansasProud August 27, 2011 at 10:40 am

I have been reading this blog for quite some time but have been posting just recently. I really enjoy reading what everyone is doing and it is motivating for me. Thank you everyone!! And thank you MD for a great blog space.

As for prepping this week –
3 pks ball wide mouth wide lids
coffee filters for my water filter – have to smile on that one
canned 7 quarts seasoned hamburger
canned 4 quarts tomatoes
2 fungal foot spray
more band aids and TP
laundry soap
hand soap
instant potatoes.

Have to put my veg garden down. With no rain and high temp it has just burned up. My grapes literally cooked on the vine. Always next year I suppose.

Have a great day everyone!

Gayle August 27, 2011 at 3:46 pm

KP,

I am glad you started posting. I always enjoy reading what others are doing.

OhioPrepper August 27, 2011 at 5:32 pm

KansasProud,
You stated, “My grapes literally cooked on the vine”. Doesn that them raisins? LOL

Kansas Proud August 27, 2011 at 9:47 pm

OP – Nope, that makes them bird feed. Ha Ha.

riverrider August 27, 2011 at 10:48 am

well it has been,is being, a fun week. watching the quake and storm. asking myself if i’m ready. pretty much, is the answer. i need to put replumbing the rainwater tank on the front burner for next week. we drained,sanitized and refilled our 5+gallon water jugs. ordered more milk, eggs, cornstarch, and a jug filter from ee. its already on the way! got the lumber n such for the genny room, and to build a bullet proof wall surround for it. i filled my gas cans a few weeks ago, checked them and several were only half full now. to me that says there’s more than 10% ethanol in the gas:( that stuff is giving my small engines fits too. read that when the ethanol evaporates it sucks up water vapor to try to replace it. true or false, but my mechanic said all my stuff was full of water:(…..thats about it this week. relaxed a little, so back to the grindstone next week. then we’ll take a vacation to m.d.’s neck of the woods. prayers to all the folks in harms way. out here.

Gayle August 27, 2011 at 2:47 pm

RR,

I didn’t know that gasoline evaporates. Does using Stabil help? This is going to make storing gasoline more difficult than I first thought.

Jo (Georgia) August 27, 2011 at 3:54 pm

all alcohols including gasoline evaporate, and with out a lid will do so very quickly. The higher the alcohol the faster the evap rate. an air tight lid will help this , cause it evaps and then just drops back down into the same container. Stabil and bloxygen just create a barrier between the product and air which keeps things that change (harden etc) with air contact from doing so. I don’t think it will stop evaporation though. I could do a test though if anyone is interested.

riverrider August 27, 2011 at 4:39 pm

gayle, well technically its the volatile compounds evaporating but thats the good stuff that makes gas go boom. the ethanol evaps too, so you’re down 10% from the start unless you use airtight containers, which can be risky. gasoline is the most dangerous thing to try to store. if it was to introduced new to the market today, it would surely be banned. sta-bil, just came out with an ethanol treatment, which i will try myself.its supposed to keep the water out. i’ve store real gas for 2 years with little loss and no water accumulation, but this new stuff is terrible. another boondoggle for monsanto/dekalb lobbiests.

OhioPrepper August 27, 2011 at 5:38 pm

riverrider,
“another boondoggle for monsanto/dekalb lobbiests”.
Don’t forget that ADM and Cargill are on that list also.

riverrider August 27, 2011 at 9:55 pm

op, 10-4. can’t keep up w/ them all.

Hunker-Down August 27, 2011 at 10:16 pm

Gayle,

Consider using propane instead of gasoline. Most appliances and engine driven tools are available with one or the other fuel options. Propane has an almost unlimited storage life. There are others on this blog with years of propane experience that will answer your questions about it. I’m still bugging them about it every chance I get. Also, check M.D.,s archives.

chemman August 27, 2011 at 4:57 pm

Gasoline will easily vaporize. That’s why it works well as a transportation fuel.

The ethanol itself likes water and attracts it. So when it evaporates (lower vapor pressure than water) the water is left behind. Every time you refill the storage container without completely cleaning it up you will increase the amount of water in the system.

Jeff August 29, 2011 at 12:11 am

I believe oxygen is added to the gasoline, supposedly to make it burn cleaner. However, after a certain period of time, it combines with hydrogen at a one to two ratio: H2O. Hence the short shelf life. I try to run small engines dry that I won’t be using soon. Jeff

Gayle August 27, 2011 at 10:50 am

I have had a productive week. The wool socks I ordered last month finally arrived. I ordered and received two books:

[1] The Ball Complete Book of Home Preserving

[2] John Seymour’s The New Self-Sufficient Gardener

And I ordered two more books:

[3] Cooking with Food Storage Made Easy by Debbie Harmon

[4] How to Live on Wheat by John W. Hill

I opened a #10 can of wheat so I could learn to cook with it. I read up on sprouting wheat berries. I soaked them overnight Thursday, and have been rinsing them two or three times a day. Hopefully, we can have sprouts on our diner salads tonight. (The wheat berries have sprouted but they are not yet green. I put them in the windowsill to get indirect sunlight.)

I also milled some wheat berries into flour and made a loaf of wheat bread. I used the blender to mill the flour; using the hand-crank mill just seemed like too much work. The blender produced fine grain flour; I was surprised.

Here’s the link to the recipe I used.

http://www.tammysrecipes.com/homemade_wheat_bread

The bread is in the oven now and the aroma is making me hungry. Okay, the results are in. (I was going to wait until the dh got home but the aroma of freshly baked bread got the better of me.) I can sum up the results in one word: substantial. Just one (thick) slice (with butter and jam) would be enough for breakfast.

I can see now that 12 pints of jam is not nearly enough. If wheat is going to be a staple of my diet Post-SHTF, then I had better bring up my one-year supply of jam to at least 42 pints, maybe more. I can see now why actually learning to cook with the basics is important—had I waited, I would not have realized that I needed to stock more jam.

I received another order from Honeyville Grain, two cases of hard white wheat, a case of dehydrated strawberries and some hot chocolate mix. I also picked up five cases of canning jars and extra lids (all on clearance at Walmart).

I am eager to get my hands on the book by John Hill so I can figure out what else to do with all this wheat. I found a recipe for whole wheat pancakes that I might try in the morning. Has anyone ever tried the freeze dried apples in pancakes? I am thinking of ordering some freeze dried apples with my next order. Seems like they would go well in oatmeal as well.

I ordered some clothes for the dh and I—all on clearance at Eddie Bauer. Their clearance prices are outrageously low right now ($9 for a polo shirt). I think the price of cotton will continue to skyrocket; so buying clothing for next Spring/Summer is a priority right now.

My 2nd summer garden is coming along. The green peppers are starting to produce and the tomato plants are starting to flower. Temperatures have been in the low 90s the past few days; so things are starting to cool off. As we get into September we might even see temperatures down in the 80s—excellent gardening weather.

I have decided on a Travel Berkey. The system is stainless steel, not plastic like the Berkey Lite. And even though it’s smaller, it will meet the needs of my family just fine—two humans, three cats and one dog. I will need to wait until next month to purchase the Travel Berkey as the finances are running low. I want to thank everyone for the feedback on water filtration systems last week; the comments were very helpful.

Jo (Georgia) August 27, 2011 at 3:57 pm

Gayle, next time you’ve got a nice warm fresh piece of bead try mixing a little honey and butter together on it. Heaven on bread, and a nice alternative to jam sometimes :)

Gayle August 27, 2011 at 6:39 pm

Jo,

Yum. I need more honey too.

K Fields August 27, 2011 at 4:09 pm

Gayle – Sounds as though you did a lot this past week! I had to chuckle at your statement, “I can see now that 12 pints of jam is not nearly enough.” When you posted earlier about purchasing a years supply of butter (42 lbs), I was thinking something similar – I’ll bet she’ll find 42 lbs won’t last nearly as long as she thinks it will.

Gayle August 27, 2011 at 6:48 pm

K. Fields,

Just starting out, I am going off the food storage calculator. But I can really see that the recommendations are just minimum amounts. I will definitely need more butter. I fear there are a lot of people who put up the recommended amounts and leave it at that. Boy, are they in for a surprise.

Another item that’s low-balled on the calculator is sugar. If you’re going to do any kind of canning, you need a lot more sugar–and vinegar.

There’s an 1800s farm down the road from me; it’s a state park now. I am going to go to the cane grinding in October, and learn how to process sugar cane. If things got really bad, knowing how to process sugar would be an essential skill.

I am grateful that my eyes are open and I have time to put food up before the economy completely tanks (hopefully).

MotherEarth August 27, 2011 at 7:40 pm

Gayle,
I just made some jam using maple syrup as the sweetner and it turned out very good, tasted like fruit not sugar. The downside, it cooked for 55 min.

K Fields August 27, 2011 at 8:02 pm

Yes, I also think a lot of people will be really surprised at the amount of food they will go through. Figure your canning will increase, you’ll be cooking from scratch, you’ll be doing more baking and you’ll simply be eating more. Why do I say you’ll be eating more? Well, if you’re hunkering down in a city or suburbs, you’ll quickly get bored without the input that makes up your current life and you’ll fill that boredom by eating if you have the resources. If you are in the country, you’ll be spending more time and energy to guarantee your next harvest and supplementing it with native foods. You’ll need the extra food to maintain that level of energy. Add in stress, etc. and I think you’ll find that food will disappear quickly.
Glad to hear you’ll be taking advantage of the demonstrations at your local park. Before I left TN, I was working in a local national park helping restore a pioneer village which included a grain mill and sorghum press. I was lucky enough to be the person who demonstrated the sorghum processing as I had grown up using mules on the family farm.

farmgal August 28, 2011 at 9:18 am

K. Fields

Agree with your statement, its amazing how much food you will eat if you have spent the day working outside.

I would be interested in learning more about the sorghum and its processing, I make maple and birch syrup in the spring, I have added bee’s to the farm for honey and I have grown and processed small amounts sugar beets for the past couple years just to learn how to do it but I have been reading about sorghum, but can’t find anyone up here that make it.. and would raither here it from someone on the list then just reading site’s that pop up on google.

We are lucky enough to have a old water powered grain mill less then 45 min away, its a hertige site but they also grind grain for sale 5 days a week, they always have a little amount ready for sale or you can call and get larger amounts done and pick it up.

K Fields August 28, 2011 at 2:18 pm

If you’ve processed maple syrup, you’ll have no trouble processing sorghum.
The problem with doing small batches of sorghum is coming up with the press – it takes an enormous amount of pressure to crush the stalks and extract the juice. And your press must be able to keep up with the evaporation rate of your processing pan as, like maple syrup, you cannot let the pan go dry!
Once the juice is extracted though, the remainder of the process is simply straining and evaporating the excess water – exactly the same as processing maple syrup.
A couple of pluses with sorghum are the crushed stalks can still be chopped up and used as silage (not high quality but still useful) and the seed heads easily germinate for use as next years crop.
It’s interesting to speak of now, I’ve always felt sorghum to be a good survivalist crop but it never gets much notice. Maybe I will put together a little post on how to grow and process it.

as the evaporation process is nearly identical – same type pan, gates, temps. etc.

azyogi August 27, 2011 at 6:07 pm

One thing to do with wheat berries is to make a pudding, use a rice pudding recipe and replace rice with cooked wheat. Soak wheat 12 hrs first changing water 3 times. Soak water and rinse water from wheat is high in nutrients, can be sweetened and spiced, drank hot like broth.

azyogi August 27, 2011 at 7:54 pm

One thing to keep in mind about whole wheat berries is to add them to your diet slowly. Too much too fast can cause gastric distress. Once you get used to it you can eat them without too much problem.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 27, 2011 at 10:32 pm

azyogi, thank you for that info. Gastric distress is something I already have, sure don’t need more.

Gayle August 27, 2011 at 10:51 pm

I suspect I added wheat berries too quickly. My stomach is churning like Irene. Lesson learned.

azyogi August 28, 2011 at 1:27 am

Beano won’t help much, try Simethicone. [I get mine at the 99 cent store mint flavor chewable] Once your body grows the right bugs in your tummy this won’t happen. Ohh and if you take antibiotics, start over again real slow, some antibiotics kill all them cute little bugs that help you digest.

OhioPrepper August 28, 2011 at 8:26 am

When taking antibiotics, another thing you can do is to eat active culture yogurt while taking them and for perhaps a week after completion.
You can also take acidophilus which is available in capsules.
Both of these contain the beneficial critters that can get you back running normal again.

Nuttbush54 August 28, 2011 at 11:26 am

One blogger I read suggested using molasses in your bread recipes or substituting brown sugar for white sugar or honey to help with the digestion of the fresh wheat until your tummy gets used to it. I haven’t tried it yet but plan to try it this week as an experiment.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 29, 2011 at 12:20 am

My mother always kept molasses on hand, think I’ll get some and keep it around. I don’t know what to do with it, but I will learn from your experience.

cin August 29, 2011 at 9:42 am

You can use molasses and white sugar to make brown sugar. Mix 1 tablespoon molasses with 1 cup of sugar – viola! Brown sugar. You can adjust to taste for dark or light.

A tablespoon of molasses in cookies or cakes gives the product a richer flavor.

Same with oatmeal and cream of wheat and other hot cereals – start with small amounts, molasses has a strong flavor.

mountain lady August 29, 2011 at 6:22 pm

Lint: During the depression, my grandfather always had a piece of molasses bread as a treat with dinner. When I was a young girl he would let me have one, too. I like it.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 29, 2011 at 7:48 pm

Thank you ladies, I will get some molasses and use it as I learn about it. Hot cereal would be a good starting point, I think.

MOFreedom August 29, 2011 at 7:44 pm

Consider that the Berkey is a knock-off of the Doulton filter system. I have purchased 8 black Berkey filters and they are JUST CHARCOAL filters! Drat! I am replacing them with the Doulton filters http://www.dehydrated-food.net/water/

Scroll down to the filters, they are shipping prepaid too. The travel version is $75 Delivered. The DIY filters have silver in them and are $30 Delivered. I have done business with these folks for many years. You can even download his radio show for free from his archives. (The Armchair Survivalist) Good shows with info to keep you alive and living better for less cost too. I try to catch all of his shows. Works great on an IPOD. Have to feed the mind too.

I am adding 19 pounds of pasta to long term storage. Coleman stove for $12, and an acetylene regulator for $29. Sold 5 Arco Solar 52 watt panels $80 each …..WHOA! That’s Negative prepping. Actually the money goes in to the electrical fund to electrify the new property. Offered the other 4 to him for $275. I wanted to have matching panels, and have 3 different kinds, so selling to get like ones. How many watts are enough? I don’t know. Gotta dream!

MOFreedom
mofreedom2@yahoo.com

Carl September 1, 2011 at 3:19 pm

We got a lot of different freeze dried fruits and veggies too. We love the way these taste… much better than dehydrated. We got raspberries, strawberries, bueberries and pineapple which is out of this world. Got it all from shelfreliancesanantonio.com. Great prices and super fast delivery. The shelf life is 25 years but it’s so good we use some every day. Saves us money too. Saw the price of a tiny package of blueberries at the local grocer yesterday and just about had a heart attack!

robert in mid michigan August 27, 2011 at 10:56 am

didnt do a lot this week as money is tight. worked in the garden got about 30lbs of potatoes, unfortunatly they are done. tomatoes have gone crazy about 40 lbs of those doing them into stewed tomatoes tonight. replanted the peas and garlic. started to harvest radish seeds probably should have been on that earlier as i lost most so i will have tons of them in a few weeks lol. got abouot a half pint of radish seeds so far so i am good for some sprouts and growing thewout the winter and spring. ill have to cut the pods for radish seeds as they become ready. limas are taking off as well as the green beans. been able to harvest a few beans to eat but most arnt ready yet should be a descent harvest though. cukes are coming in for pickles should end up with 10 -12 quarts anyways.

going to market today with canned meats being the priority and hopefully chicken or beef to can. well was a better week than last by a long shot. hope everyone is well and keep praying that the politicians in washington can figure out they are the cause of the problem, and allow us to do what has to be done to fix the problems.

wife really likes working and we have gone back to one of her old hobbies as a possible buisiness to start. candles not a great buisiness but if she keeps working and does that on the side im good with it. now to just get insurance and to incorperate sounds expensive we will have to see, could be the killer on this idea.

good luck all and keep preping.

The Prepper August 27, 2011 at 8:32 pm

robert — have your wife sell her candles on etsy or eBay. If you make it the hordes will buy it. :) How are you able to make it with the short Michigan growing season? I’ve been thinking about moving back there, but the short growing season would make a self sustaining life a bit difficult.

robert in mid michigan August 28, 2011 at 11:26 am

no where near self supporting but my garden is almost a third of my backyard and i am eyeing the wives new flower boxes i built her this spring. ill take them next year and build her some more. we live in town on a third of an acre of usable land. i practice very intense square foot gardening, and try and replace a crop with another as soon as possible quit often starting new plants before the others are done producing.

the real problem we are having with the candles is finding an insurance carrier that will cover us, because if you burn your house down with a candle you can actually sue the people who make it. here in michigan you must carry a 2,000,000 liability insurance first quate was for 1500 for 6 months, thats gambling a lot on hoping to sell that many candles.

as far as moving back our new governor is upsetting a ton of libs by actually taxing state funded retirement plans. but other than that he si looking at cutting the buisiness tax to bring in more work and reducing the general cost of gernment. so we are getting better. as far as grow season just plant more is all i have to offer but land farther north is cheaper roughly 3k per acre un developed and unfortunatly a ton of farmers are losing the farm and or are selling off bits of it to pay the tax man, so good farm land is available pretty cheaply a freiend bought 11 acres of farmland for 55k about 3 months ago i so wanted the land but found out he was going for it and quit bidding.

daughter has 2 years of school and we can finally move. went to 23 differant schools as a kid and promised my children would never go through that so thier whole lives one house one school system.

in short we are getting better and who knows in a few years if everything else doesnt collapse we should be ok.

templar knight August 28, 2011 at 6:21 pm

“…our new governor is upsetting a ton of libs by actually taxing state funded retirement plans.”

It’s funny how people who live off the taxes of others get so outraged when they have to pay taxes. Warren Buffet, who claims to want his taxes raised, is fighting the IRS tooth and nail trying to get out of paying additional taxes. What a bunch of hypocrites these people are.

LynnS August 29, 2011 at 11:15 am

Robert, don’t call your product “candle”– use a different term.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 29, 2011 at 7:58 pm

How about “flame thrower”? It has a rough-tough manly sound to it. LOL

LynnS August 30, 2011 at 8:22 am

“Heat stick”, Lint, or mebbe “fired up wick-stick ;-)

Jo (Georgia) August 30, 2011 at 2:13 pm

thats an outrageous price for insurance. I have a 2mil liability insurance on my company through Nationwide, its less than 400 a year, and I run a small construction business although its categorized as a painting business because I do mostly finish work.

robert in mid michigan August 30, 2011 at 6:14 pm

jo i agree but they say because we want to make a product that they must cover and we have no control on how it is used its that high. we are continuing to look however.

lint cant use flamethrower as it would be critisizing what my grand father did on the shores of tinian and a couple others. for years growing up i was facinated by the one he kept in the garage it had holes in the tanks but damn it was cool.

T.G. August 30, 2011 at 1:10 pm

Robert, something new that is going around are the “scented wax blocks” to use in oil warmers and such. I wonder if that might cut your insurance costs down while finding out if you can sell. Then slowly adding in the regular candles.

KansasProud August 27, 2011 at 10:58 am

One other thing….. All those affected or that will be affected by Irene, I am thinking of you. I wish you luck. And will be praying for you.

pam s August 27, 2011 at 11:05 am

prepping was a little slow this week. bought 50 lbs. of sugar, 100 lbs of charcoal, d.h. bought too much hunting supplies.
when i went to feed the deer yesterday i noticed the metal gate by the pond looked wonkie. walked up to it and discoverd someone ran into it and knocked one side off the post so it took me most of the day to fix that and that was the excitement for the week.
templar knight- left you several messages on the day gayle wrote the article. if you log into magnolia reporter.com they have several articles
regarding about drilling in the area. i think they will start on the smackover ledge? i hope your family and the new grand baby are doing well.
hope everyone has a great week.

templar knight August 28, 2011 at 8:12 pm

pam s,

Hey, and thanks for the info. I went to magnolia reporter and it was very informative. No baby yet, and the #1 son and DIL are getting ancy. We will be down ASAP after the contractions start, so might miss the birth, might not. We are about 5 hrs. away.

Hope your old oaks are prospering now that they got some water, and hope you get more rain soon. Most likely when it starts, the rain won’t let up for several months. Have a good week and I will be blowing through Waldo at a very slow rate of speed. Son warned that they have speed traps set up there.

pam s August 28, 2011 at 9:04 pm

templar knight.
they have one set up past walmart going toward mcneil. especially between 7 and 9 in the morning. take care. prayers said for your family.

Gayle August 28, 2011 at 9:08 pm

Templar Knight,

Waldo/speed traps–you must be talking about Waldo, FL. Watch out for Lawtey as well. Waldo and Lawtey are about 10 minutes a part on 301 and are the only two speed traps in the U.S., recorded as such by AAA.

Becomes the Bear August 27, 2011 at 11:07 am

I went to an auction this week where I bought some junk silver coins. Some of them were mixed in with other modern coins. Evidently no one else saw them and I ended up getting them for less than half of the going rate for silver. Even a blind squirrel gets a nut once in awhile.. :-))

DW and I froze green beans from the garden this week. All of a sudden we are loaded with beans. The tomatoes and cucumbers are finally slowing down. The second round of Yukon Gold potatoes are just about ready to pick. First batch is reserved for a big bowl of garlic mashed and roast venison. Don’t get any better than that!

We’re heading out today for more canning supplies as the tomatoes and cucumbers used most of them. I hear that Chinamart has them on sale???

I went to Bass Pro and picked up some needed items- AR cleaning gear and tools, new Buck knife for the DW’s BOB, and a Leatherman Blast. All were on sale. Also went to Woodcraft to pick up a set of titanium drill bits that were on sale for half price. It seems like you can never have enough FLASHLIGHTS, KNIVES, OR DRILL BITS! Must be something in the water…..

Had a shock this week when I went to get bird seed. The price of oil sunflower seed went from $18 in January to $28 a month ago to $38.50 yesterday! Everyone’s food is going up. I guess the birds are going to go on a diet around my place!

Please pray for those in the path of Irene and stay safe everyone.

BTB

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 27, 2011 at 4:38 pm

BTB, when you do that venison & garlic mashed potatoes meal, would you please call me? Oh, and I’ll bring my own daylight flashlight so you won’t have to provide one for me. ;)

Becomes the Bear August 28, 2011 at 5:39 am

Lint- Consider it done! Just don’t shine one of those “terrorist” night flashlights at me…. :-))

K Fields August 27, 2011 at 8:07 pm

Did you get a hand drill and brace so you can use those bits once the power goes out?

Becomes the Bear August 28, 2011 at 5:44 am

K Fields- GOOD POINT! I inherited all of my Dad’s hand tools that were passed down to him from his father and grandfather- all carpenters. I am well set on the handtool dept. And, my Dad showed me how to use them while I was growing up- even better. That would make a great article to post here.

BTB

K Fields August 28, 2011 at 4:06 pm

That would be an excellent post! So many folks pick up old hand tools at yard sales not realizing the skill that is needed in setting them up, much less the skill that is needed to use them. Even modern non-electric hand tools need a set up before you can use them – have you ever tried using an expensive hand plane fresh from your local hardware store? All you’ll accomplish is to ruin the piece of lumber you were set on improving.
Your article would be a great help to many people, I’ll look forward to it.

SaratogaPrepper August 27, 2011 at 9:16 pm

Nice job on the silver! Picked up a few silver rounds myself this week, only @ the going rate.

Becomes the Bear August 28, 2011 at 5:51 am

SP- Thanks, I got lucky for once.

At the auction, there were mostly collectors but a few speculators, too. They were asking questions about what I was interested in on coins. Unless I knew them as coin dealers, all answers were generic- remember OPSEC as you don’t know who you are talking to or why they want to know. They may be casing you out for future “opportunities”. I like to restrict my coin buying auctions to at least 30 miles from home.

BTB

Tigerlily August 28, 2011 at 6:03 pm

It just occurred to me that a fairly safe reply if someone starts asking too many questions would be to tell them you are looking for cheap silver coins to get the kids/grandkids started on coin collecting. You wouldn’t want to invest much unless they took an interest, so it would account for buying up the cheap stuff and it would also imply that the coins would be dispersed to several locations and not kept in your home. Just a random thought, but it might work for some.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 28, 2011 at 7:33 pm

Random thoughts are good. Keep ‘em coming.

Becomes the Bear August 29, 2011 at 6:27 am

Oooooo… I like that one!

AZ Rookie Prepper August 27, 2011 at 11:10 am

M.D., really enjoyed your review on Tennessee as a retreat location. Good points to consider when thinking of moving to another location. Hope Mom is doing ok? Saying prayers for all in the path of the hurricane.
For myself, not a lot this week, work was super busy. Some gardening work, ate lots of fresh tomatoes and some hot peppers. Picked and canned some green beans and long beans. Canned 6 pints of pears obtained from a coworker in trade for long beans and some salsa I canned. Bought another flat of pint jars for canning ($8 and change from ACE with a coupon). Picked up some more lamp oil. Downloaded, printed and put into my binder “how to” materials on making vegetable oil lamps and candle “flashlight”. Got a “free” led flashlight, but its made in china and uses an odd size battery so its strictly barter/emergency use only material. Bought a “vg” quality Morgan silver dollar for under $40. Going to pick up some groceries in a minute, using some of Gayles suggestions to help keep costs down. Keep on prepping folks we’re gonna need it soon I think.

Kate in GA August 27, 2011 at 11:21 am

I will be one of the first to repond this week because I have family arriving in a few hours and will be off the net until Monday.

I finally bought some walkie-talkies for use around the house/yard and if/when we will ever need to fetch water from the stream at the end of the street. I also went to the cannery for supplies.

Ohio Prepper – no increase in prices at the cannery. My Relief Society Sister was incorrect.

TO ALL THAT MAY BE INTERESTED: The cannery in Tucker, GA does not require you to be accompanied by a church member to purchase supplies. This is a new change for that facility. (GA Mom, you can go when ever you want.) Call to make an apt. Rather than putting the phone number here, just Google ‘LDS Cannery in Tucker, GA’ and you will get the address and phone number.

I hope everyone has a good weekend and I can’t wait to read all the responses on Monday when I return.

pam s August 27, 2011 at 3:26 pm

Kate in Ga. if you don’t mind me asking? how far is tucker ga. from ft. stewart.?

Gayle August 27, 2011 at 6:53 pm

Pam S.,

It’s about an hour drive–just take I-20 West.

Em in GA August 27, 2011 at 6:21 pm

Kate in GA, thank you for letting us know. Next payday I will be making an appointment. I’ve been wanting to go for awhile now.

MareBear August 27, 2011 at 7:48 pm

Kate in GA, Is there a way to get a list of food items available from the LDS Cannery in Tucker. My daughter is in Dahlonega and from the map, it doesn’t look like a bad drive. I’m slowly getting her on board, she and son-in-law attended a class today at the Bread Becker’s on “Getting Started”. They called after leaving the class and were quite excited about bread making.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 27, 2011 at 10:35 pm

MareBear, I have never been to an LDS cannery, but I have seen this order form online. Maybe it will help? Don’t know if all canneries carry the same items.

http://providentliving.org/pfw/multimedia/files/pfw/pdf/123115_HSC_OrderForm_US_ENG_28_APR_2011_pdf.pdf

OhioPrepper August 28, 2011 at 12:58 am

I’m not an expert here, but AFAIK all of the canneries have the items on that list, although you may need to call and make sure the items you need are in stock. My local Storehouse/Cannery is open 4 days per week, and you can simply stop in and purchase any of the items in the prepackaged section, or complete bulk items like a bag of wheat or an entire box of apples, onions or carrots. The other items in either #10 cans or gallon Mylar pouches need to be packaged from the bulk packing into cans and pouches, and generally requires an appointment at the cannery. Keep in mind that within reason, more people will make things go much faster. My last trip was with 3 other people, and with one of the cannery volunteers helping, we packed up over 100 cans of various items in less than two hours.

Tom the Tinker August 28, 2011 at 8:56 am

Ohio… The Columbus cannery?

OhioPrepper August 28, 2011 at 11:23 am

Tom,
It’s technically Groveport but it is in the Columbus metro area.

MareBear August 28, 2011 at 2:58 am

Lint Picker, Thank you for the link. I was able to come up with the address and product list for the Tucker, GA facility.

OhioPrepper August 28, 2011 at 8:43 am

MareBear,
Immediately before you go to the Storehouse, I recommend you check to make sure the price sheet hasn’t changed. The most recent one is still April 28; however I understand it will be changing shortly. The last changes were in March and January of this year.

K Fields August 28, 2011 at 2:31 pm

Do you know if the LDS make money from the Storehouse operation or are the prices set only to cover costs as a service to their congregation? I would hate to think that non LDS members are somehow taking advantage just to save themselves some money.

Nor Cal Ray August 31, 2011 at 12:33 am

KFields,
They only cover costs. All the help is volunteer and they only price it high enough to cover costs. When you leave a small donation to the Bishops Fund is appreciated but not required. They do it as a service to Congregation as well as Community. The way they figure it is the more people who are prepared the less people they will have to take care of in the long run.
Ray

K Fields August 31, 2011 at 10:03 pm

Thanks for the info Ray. Perhaps everyone should be reminded of that so they will leave a donation to help keep the program running.

OhioPrepper September 1, 2011 at 1:39 am

One other thing I think probably helps along with a donation, is to bring cash. My local Storehouse accepts credit cards, but as everyone knows, the vendor (in this case the Storehouse) pays a percentage fee on the transaction. By paying in cash you save them that additional cost, and since nothing changes hands except food and a receipt, helps to maintain your OPSEC. There are probably less than 10 people who know much about this area of my food preps including my party that did the canning, and the LDS members who are personal friends and volunteer at the Storehouse.

SmokyMtnLady August 27, 2011 at 11:44 pm

MB…www.providentliving .org is the website where you can find the locations and also the food items available :)

SaratogaPrepper August 27, 2011 at 9:20 pm

What brand of walkie-talkie did you pick up? Been thinking those would be real handy in case cell service goes down. Let us know about the range if you ever test that out.

GA Mom August 29, 2011 at 9:17 pm

Thanks so much Kate!!

Ellen August 27, 2011 at 11:23 am

Absolutely nothing. Didn’t go to the grocer didn’t go to Wally World nor to the Dollar Tree. I have been absolutely worthless. That would be my physical doin’s I didn’t do.
But I did manage to come here and annoy people to my great delight.
I love this place.
But am going to redo my list of to do and get lists and see what trouble I can get into this next week. It will be a long one and I will have to decide AGAIN if it is something that is a PREP NEED or just something that I WANT to fill my selfish desires. As it is now though I think the selfish desires have actually reversed and become prep needs.
Well won’t blather anymore and wait to see what all of you have done, to inspire me, and get me motivated.

Gayle August 27, 2011 at 2:34 pm

Elen,

To annoy folks is to exercise your cognitive faculties; so you did get something done this week. LOL

SaratogaPrepper August 27, 2011 at 9:22 pm

I always figure if I don’t get at least one person giving me the “one finger salute” a week I ain’t tryin’ hard enough.

seth August 27, 2011 at 11:47 am

more ammo and a couple of ammo cans

axelsteve August 27, 2011 at 5:10 pm

Seth. I almost named my son Seth but,I named him Caleb instead.

Nor Cal Ray August 28, 2011 at 12:10 am

axelsteve,
My grand nephew’s name is Caleb.
Ray

Ron August 29, 2011 at 10:51 pm

We have a SIL named Caleb and another daughter who is dating a Caleb. Whats the odds of that?

Larry August 27, 2011 at 12:02 pm

Canned 6 quarts of pasta sauce. Collected 20 gallons of water from de humidifier to use to flush toilet when Irene knocks out our power. Discovered that I need to replace 2 oil lamp wick mechenisams(SP) because they do not raise or lower the lamp wick at all. Good to find out day before the hurricane. Lesson learned. Not much other than getting the home front ready for the hurricane. Not looking forward to be getting 75+ mph winds.
This is one of the reasons I prep. Now the Boss don’t think I’m crazy so now because she sees that we are using some of our preps. I actually saw the light bulb turn on above her head the other day.

Ellen August 27, 2011 at 2:04 pm

I want one more duel fuel lantern to have one for stationary and one for to carry around. I did get batteries in the maglights and will get more. We have few power outs but we do have them. Has anyone ever noticed how quite it gets when nothing is running? Spooky.

SaratogaPrepper August 27, 2011 at 9:45 pm

LOL!! Oh yeah, I work for the electric company. Most places they send me are real quiet. I always thought of it as peaceful.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 27, 2011 at 4:43 pm

Larry, good luck to you and your DW. Hope Irene passes you by. Please tell us all about it when it’s over.

Eagle August 27, 2011 at 9:47 pm

We have been thru 6 hurricanes, 3 major and countless tropcal storms and brush bys of other hurricanes.

I would like to point out that anything with a flame such as a candle, lantern, wick is not a good idea. I would suggest something with a battery. Should you have a fire start accidentally of if window blows in, the fire department many not be able to come to your place due to winds. At the same time you will have strong winds supplying a lot of oxygen to a fire. Just a thought. We never light anything in our house when we hunker down. Batteries only.

Hunker-Down August 27, 2011 at 10:08 pm

Eagle,
That’s a really good safety tip. If one was compelled to leave the house for some sort of emergency and left a candle burning…. We have a solar battery charger that will work after the grid goes down. What lanterns and batteries do you use?

Eagle August 28, 2011 at 9:42 am

Hunker-Down,
I am in physical rehabilitation and can’t get to all my hurricane stuff right now. But, what I do have is 2 large and four small Coleman Lanterns that use batteries, types C and D. We have used them a lot as the electricity was out for about 5 days with Opal and 7 days with Ivan and a few times with lesser storms.

When Opal blew in with 110 MPH winds for a few hours a house a few streets over sustained major damage from a fire that started with a candle and the Fire Dept could not come out because of the wind and downed trees.

pam s August 28, 2011 at 12:50 pm

eagle- i was in baker florida when opal came in and i remember another family lost their home due to having candles lit.

Ellen August 28, 2011 at 12:09 am

I am using them only for when the SHTF. I have flashlights and will probably get more of them.
It is a good tip. Safety first.

Luddite Jean August 27, 2011 at 12:11 pm

Got cans of coconut milk, seeds, instant noodles, spices, pasta, needles, thread, knitting yarn.

Praying for anyone affected by Irene.

SmokyMtnLady August 27, 2011 at 12:33 pm

Another 50 lb bag of rice, and 100 rounds of ammo…a little at a time starts to add up…oh, and bought a dehydrator that I have going right now!!

Ellen August 27, 2011 at 5:53 pm

Dehydrating food is fun. I love my cheapo Ronco. Am saving for a small Excaliber. And if the money saving fails will get another Ronco. Don’t have any complaints with it, even if some sections kinda broke. Still holds the stuff and dry’s it’s lil heart out.

Tigerlily August 27, 2011 at 8:47 pm

Ellen,
I just bought the little cheapo Ronco last week and I love it too! The first time I used it one of the trays had some distortion from the heat but I’ve had it going all week and the food turns out just fine in it. I would say for the $27 clearance price I paid for it that it was well worth the price.

SmokyMtnLady August 27, 2011 at 11:54 pm

Same here…was at Wally World and saw one for 50.00 so I thought “why not try it, can always bring it back if I don’t like it’…but so far…I like it!! Have already dehydrated the last of my summer peaches…canned several quarts already, gotta say dehydrating was a heck of a lot easier, lol!! And now I have green beans going!! Thinking about going and picking up another one…for 50.00 x 2 it’s STILL less money then the Excalibur I was looking at!!

OhioPrepper August 28, 2011 at 1:00 am

Does the Ronco have a fan?

Ellen August 28, 2011 at 12:12 pm

No it is straight heat from a heating element.
I figure it is the same as drying in the sun.
And what is quite surprise-ing is that the little booger seems to dry faster than I would have thought. Which is a plus.
Even the jerky I made and dried ultra crispy dried in less time than I had allotted for.
And I don’t have to worry about replacing parts because I spent a fortune on it. Can toss it and get another one, which I plan on doing anyway. The more the better.
And I am really not tossing it. If the SHTF and there is no electricity at all will cut the cord on the thing and use it outside.
Handy Dandy if you ask me.

Judy(another one) August 28, 2011 at 8:37 pm

Well for what it is worth, if and when my Excalibur dies I will be buying another one. I have had the dehydrators without fans and thermostats and had to throw away food. I was not a happy camper!
The only negative I have with the Excalibur is the leather sheets. They don’t have a lip on them like the round dehydrator leather sheets, so if there is any juice in your pulp it will run off the Teflon sheets.
I did a Google search and found a 3900 for 169 plus shipping.

Amateur Gardener August 27, 2011 at 12:53 pm

Renewed my subscription to Countryside magazine; added more paper goods and shampoo to my stash; another case of bottled water, two lbs coffee. Am sorry for folks in hurricane Irene’s path. Here in So Cal we’re coping with excessive heat – but is IS August so no surprise there.

Nuttbush54 August 27, 2011 at 1:58 pm

Okay, I will go first – M. D. , sounds like you are making headway on all the work for your new property. I hope all those along the coast are staying safe, I already heard about two deaths due to people going outside. I don’t care if it is a Cat 1, stay inside! I was in FL on the coast for a tropical storm that had winds one MPH below hurricaine level and I wouldn’t do it again. We were on the tenth floor of a condo and the water in the toilets was sloshing back and forth!

My new Remora holster arrived. It feels a little wierd with lightweight summer clothes but I think will work fine wearing a pair of jeans. That is pretty much what I live in 8 months out of the year, so the other hooks-on-your-belt style will have to do for concealed carry the rest of the time.

I received some items that I ordered: a replacement battery for a cordless phone (saved $6 by ordering rather than buying it local), a regular and a wide mouth Foodsaver jar sealer, a Sam splint for the first aid kit, and a new battery for this laptop so I can actually use it as a laptop instead of being tied to its power cord. Old battery was about 7 years old so just wouldn’t hold a charge longer than 10 minutes.

DH and I made a trip to town and bought a thermostat for his truck since it is overheating and also oil filters, oil and antifreeze for our vehicles. He was surprised at how much oil had gone up. Maybe he will figure it out one of these days why I prep. He also got a good deal on a new cordless drill at Lowes since our old one wasn’t able to handle heavier jobs.

Since I have been using Gayle’s method of shopping for a few years, I didn’t buy much , just some green bell peppers that I sliced and froze, some dog food for our spoiled pooch, a couple of packs of sponges, and more Foodsaver rolls. I have been using them up lately freezing lots of things to go in the big freezer.

Well one thing is for sure, our “Wolf Pack” shouldn’t be the ones in the grocery stores grabbing things off the shelves, you are WAY ahead of the rest of the sheeple. Stay safe everyone.

Nuttbush54 August 27, 2011 at 2:00 pm

Well, not first but I guess I typed too long!

chonte August 27, 2011 at 2:18 pm

picked up and extra case of water in preparation for Irene. got a couple 1lb bags of rice for my BOB (on sale for $.50) picked up a small can of fuel for mini grill in case we lose power. helped my little brother start a BOB and made him half a dozen fire starters :)

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 27, 2011 at 4:47 pm

Wishing you well during Irene. Stay inside.

Hunker-Down August 27, 2011 at 2:26 pm

We pray for everyone in the path of Hurricane Irene and hope they will be safe. May the evacuees return to an unharmed home. May the looters fall into a sewer drain.

Baked 18 mini pans of zucchini bread and added most of them to the freezer.
Dehydrated two pints of pole beans, added desiccant packets and vacuum sealed the jars.

Something has been chomping on our pole beans, sometimes eating even the string the beans climb. Our dang Have-A-Heart trap has set in the same spot since May. Bating the trap with beans or lettuce was ignored. Today I pulled a carrot to see if anything is growing below ground. The critters have ignored the carrot patch all summer. I put the top from the carrot I pulled into the trap at noon, and by 3 PM a rabbit was trapped. Go figure. Our pole beans are surrounded by dwarf marigolds so the rabbit apparently isn’t aware that he is supposed to think they stink. Also, there is a bar of Irish Spring soap hanging from a post about a foot from the damaged bean plants. Next year we’ll use fox pee as a deterrent.

I have been watching with green envy for the last 5 months all of you who get bargains at the store. Today it’s finally our turn. A new “Quik-Trip” opened next to the only two grocery stores in a town about 14 miles away from our house. Both stores sell bananas for .59 lb. We purchased 13 lbs. at .39 a pound at Quik-Trip and 20 lb. of potatoes for .35 per lb. Our dehydrator will be busy for a few days. OK, I’m a coward…how do we prepare a big batch of onions for dehydrating without crying like a baby and stinking up the whole house? If you have overcome these problems, please educate this ignoramus.

We ordered 5 books from the sale at Paladin Press; Ordered milk, basil leaves, Italian seasoning, and spaghetti seasoning from Emergency Essentials; Ordered dehydrated celery, dehydrated onion and powdered cheese from Honeyville Farms. We are slowly accumulating the ingredients to assemble meals according to the book “Dinner is in the Jar”. We’re out of money until the next credit card cycle.

There was a discussion last week about the Romans using a sponge to clean themselves after going to the bathroom, and cleaning the sponge with vinegar. After we run out of TP it would be nice to be able to make vinegar. I goggled “how to make white vinegar” and the results were both confusing and disappointing. Does anyone have a recipe, in layman’s language, for how to make white vinegar?

Due to the gobbledygook from Mr. Bernanke at the Jackson Hole meeting on Friday I went to the blacksmith-dental-tire store and got fitted for an XR15 peppermint flavored aluminum foil deflector beanie. There was a long line at the door.

M.D. Thanks for this blog, all the resources you guide us toward and the many ways to save money. Thanks everyone for the great education. We are becoming aware of all the skills we need but don’t have. One doesn’t know what one doesn’t know, but not so much now. Can we call a growing awareness of ignorance, education?

4Nana August 27, 2011 at 5:58 pm

We move our dehydrator outside to the porch, as the smell and the crying got to us on the first try. This works great!

B August 28, 2011 at 1:45 am

I’m with Nana–move the dehydrator outside or into the garage. Your entire household will thank you for it.

Hunker-Down August 28, 2011 at 3:31 pm

Thanks everyone for a lot of ideas.
Putting them all together, this is my plan IF I find the courage to go through with it;
First, get some goggles. Then pull & dry the onions for a few days then put them in the fridge for a day. Clean out a 5 gallon bucket and put a couple gallons of water in it. Set up a fan to blow the odor away. Use the bucket (outside) to cut the ends off and peel the outer skin. Set up the dehydrator in the garage. Grab a few onions from the bucket, run into the house, chop the onions and run back to the garage and load them into the dehydrator. When all the onions are in the dehydrator, move the fan to pull air away from the dehydrator, toward the open garage door. Let the dehydrator run 2-3 hours then take it into the house in order to stop trying to dehydrate the garage and the outside air. Hopefully most of the odor will be gone by then, if not the DW will kick my butt back into the garage.
Maybe we should move the car out of the garage first.

Copperhead August 28, 2011 at 6:24 pm

Sounds like you have a great plan, HD! Years ago I bought a gadget called the “Vidalia Chop Wizard” that I use all the time. Has two different sizes of chopped depth, fine or coarse. I love it and it works so great on quickly chopping onions without too many tears after cleaning them. I use it to chop all kinds of veggies. I’ve got a 5 gal. bucket 2/3 full of onions so guess I need to get busy! Good luck on the garage thing. I’m going to use my patio. It’s so dry here in Texas I probably wouldn’t need to even use the dehydrator, but will anyway.

pam s August 27, 2011 at 6:23 pm

hunker-down. on dehydrating onions, i guess i’m an ignoramus too. last time i tried, the entire house needed fumigating.(even the cats threatened to leave). if you hear of a good idea, please let me know.

Judy(another one) August 27, 2011 at 6:30 pm

I refrigerate my onions before I clean and chop them. It helps a lot with the fumes. I have also read to breathe through your mouth when chopping onions. As I have a boat load of allergies I do that anyway! Good Luck!

Maji-Tx August 27, 2011 at 8:00 pm

I have a pair of goggles that I wear to cut up lots of onions…it does work.

Gayle August 27, 2011 at 8:01 pm

My mom told me to rise the onion under cold water before cutting it.

OhioPrepper August 27, 2011 at 8:45 pm

Hunker-Down,
I don’t dehydrate onions or carrots, but instead get them from the LDS cannery. Don’t know if you have one nearby, but the equivalent of one #10 can of onions is almost 20 lbs fresh, and a #10 can of carrots is closer to 30 lbs fresh. If you’re dehydrating from your own garden, it may make sense but electric does have a cost and your time is worth something.
I don’t know for sure about “white” vinegar, but vinegar itself can be made from numerous fruits and grains. My first batch was accidental, as I was trying to make apple jack (very hard cider) and left it too long. The yeast added to the apple cider (in my case just a few raisins) converts sugars to ethanol, at which point you have a dilute form of the desired beverage. If however, you wait too long, yeast like critter (called mother of vinegar) converts the ethanol to acetic acid and some other chemicals, in which case you have vinegar. In this case its light brown, but I suspect it would still work for your intended cleaning purpose. The only reason I can think of for using only white vinegar, is the wish to clean something without staining it.

Hunker-Down August 27, 2011 at 9:53 pm

OhioPrepper,
We haven’t been able to locate a LDS cannery within 200 miles, so it’s either DIY from garden produce or buy on-line and pay the freight. You have a good argument with the electricity and labor issues. I would rather just buy dehydrated onions and carrots but need to learn the skill.
Do I understand you correctly that you added raisins to apple cider and waited for the acetic acid to form? I suppose the smell test would announce the arrival of vinegar?

OhioPrepper August 28, 2011 at 12:35 am

Actually, I was making hard cider/apple jack. Drop a few raisins into a gallon of cider and it will ferment into hard cider. You take the hard cider and freeze it. Since there’s alcohol in it, it doesn’t freeze, but turns to slush. Strain out the water ice, and it’s as good as distilling it, but more legal, LOL.
What I did, accidentally, was to let the hard cider go too long, and itself converted into vinegar, although that was not the initial intent. You can also buy “mother vinegar” online. Mother vinegar contains the proper yeast or other microbe needed to convert the ethanol to acetic acid. It’s the equivalent of a sourdough starter for vinegar.
From what I’ve read, the vinegar will keep getting stronger, up to a point. During this time, you simply sample it and then filter out all of the solids when it reaches the strength you want.

azyogi August 27, 2011 at 10:53 pm

Vineger can be distilled to make it white. Also while fermenting oxygen added to ethanol will produce vineger. Most ethanol fermenting is done under an airlock, anerobic [without oxygen] conditions inhibit vineger production. I have seen Roman bellows made to add air to a fermentation vat for vineger production.

Hunker-Down August 28, 2011 at 10:18 am

azyogi,
I’m always looking for the easy way out. Can we get some E85 gasoline, leave the cap off the gas can (for oxygen) and just wait for fermentation to cause white vinegar to show up?

azyogi August 29, 2011 at 3:54 am

Why? The contamination from fuel aditives would make that useless, if you could even get fermentaion to start in such a toxic stew. When I make ethanol for consumption I boil every thing twice. The right ph, vitamin dose, brix [sugar concentration] anareobic vat are critical to making good consumable ethanol. I’ve not ever made vinegar but if you want it consumable I asume equal care must be taken in it’s production. Will research this and get back to you.

Hunker-Down August 29, 2011 at 1:20 pm

azyogi,

Why? Because I’m lazy, LOL. My goal is to use vinegar as a disinfectant, and to be able to make it after TEOTWAWKI. I suppose some might be consumed before it advances to the vinegar stage. Thanks for the warning about E85.

Anonymous August 29, 2011 at 4:25 pm

White vinegar is useful in BBQ too

just sayin….

AZ Rookie Prepper August 27, 2011 at 8:47 pm

HD, anywhere online to purchase that XR15 beanie? I think we all need one of those. Best laugh I’ve had all week, thanks!!!

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 27, 2011 at 10:48 pm

Here ya go, AZrp.

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AZ Rookie Prepper August 28, 2011 at 1:38 am

LP, best and biggest smile I’ve had in a long time!!! BUT…it doesnt come with an automatic toothpick dispenser… :-( Now if it only had a clip on flashlight, might consider it…LOL

Hunker-Down August 28, 2011 at 3:37 pm

It figures; a flashlight freak and a deflector beanie expert. I’ll bet he graduated from skool at the Kelvinic Clinic, er, I mean University. HA!

Becomes the Bear August 28, 2011 at 6:14 am

ROFLMAO! You kill me!
I hear that Vandalay Industries also sells them there beanies! Ask for George…. in imports/exports….

Tigerlily August 28, 2011 at 4:18 pm

I wonder if I could buy a puffy shirt from him?

mountain lady August 27, 2011 at 11:35 pm

Well, I sure need one of those beanies. My tinfoil hat is falling apart, lol.

jaxhaus August 28, 2011 at 12:44 pm

I’ve heard that a stainless steel colander works just as well as the tinfoil beanie if you add a small propellar to the top.

Jack

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 28, 2011 at 10:40 pm

I have one of those. On a windy day I can slice carrots and keep the mind control experts out of my head. For just another $3.00 plus S&H, I got a spare.

Ellen August 27, 2011 at 10:32 pm

I found that the stink only lasted for the first part of the drying. Once the moisture in the onion starts to dry it starts to abate. Now I will say that some onions are worse than others. One batch I did took my breath so I stayed away from the dehydrator.
But it is well worth the stink.

farmgal August 28, 2011 at 9:24 am

Hunker-Down

I make my own homemade apple vinegar, but its very much brown, and I have never learned a process to make it white, but if you are interested in how I do the apple recipe, I would be happy to share it, its really basic, but does take time, and if you want to use it for canning, I would recommend getting the test kits to check the acid levels for safety.

Hunker-Down August 28, 2011 at 3:59 pm

farmgal,
Please share your recipe. A really basic recipe is just my speed.

farmgal August 28, 2011 at 6:29 pm

In a way its kind of like Ohio Prepper’s to a point.

I take fresh picked apples, I have done it with store bought but fresh picked worked faster, remove any soft spots, then chop them up, put in either a crock or any other non-metal pot, cover with water till just visable, pour a cup of Bragg’s Apple Cider Vinager with mother, or a cup of last years batch, both have worked for me. Or sounds like I should try adding a few raisons to my next batch as well.

You can buy Bragg’s apple Cider Vinager at all my local stores and online, make sure it is the one that says right on the bottle that it has the mother in it, and I cover it with cheese cloth to keep it clean, with a tie around the lip of the container.. I do change the cheese cloth and put new clean one’s on it and it will do all its own thing, after about 8 weeks to 16 weeks start checking it, you will notice a change in the smell, typical in my cooler basement, it takes a couple months to get to where I want it, then I strain, and bottle it up, you can smell and taste the vinager.

Like Ohio Prepper said, it does keep getting stronger with age to a point and it is a brown vinager.

Hunker-Down August 28, 2011 at 7:21 pm

farmgal,
Thank you!

robert in mid michigan August 28, 2011 at 12:37 pm

as far as peeling and cutting up the onions i freeze them for half hour or so as i grab one i put another in the freezer.

as others have said porch or garage to keep the odor down inside.

cutting them i use a vadalia chop wizard works great on most vegitables equel sizing for even drying and faster than with a knife.

Hunker-Down August 28, 2011 at 4:02 pm

rob,

We have the Chop wizard and will use it to get the equal size pieces.

Copperhead August 28, 2011 at 6:35 pm

Oops, Robert, I didn’t read down far enough to see that you had already recommended the chop wizard..I love that thing! So guess that makes two of us recommending it! Less crying.

Grits August 28, 2011 at 9:52 pm

Anyone drying onions and such may want to consider dedicating a dehydrator just for “stinky” stuff and have a second dehydrator for other food. No one wants to eat onion flavored bananas!

chloe August 31, 2011 at 6:16 am

Our bananas are still $12-14 per kilo – months after cyclone Yasi blew through North Queensland and destroyed the trees … Cheers.

david August 27, 2011 at 2:58 pm

Bought a mountain bike for alternate transportation.

Gayle August 27, 2011 at 3:55 pm

David,

Congratulations on your new bike. Remember to start slow and add mileage gradually. I love riding. The dh and I ride just about every morning–excellent exercise.

david August 27, 2011 at 11:41 pm

They tell me its just like riding a bike. :)

Phinny August 27, 2011 at 10:04 pm

Yah! Now we’re talking. I think in the Zombie Survival Handbook it is one of the preferred methods of travel. Ha! Ha!

My wife works in the City and bikes about 30km’s per day, round trip, commute. We figure ( in fun, apocalyptic hypothetical terms ) that we could, the two of us, bike to our friends mountain retreat in about 4 days.

Pending no Zombies, Bandits or Road Raging Rednecks, of course!

Tom the Tinker August 27, 2011 at 3:03 pm

The best of luck to all of you on the right coast!

Got turned on to a new prep store in south east Mich. At Sterns and Jackman road. “Worley’s” His stock is limited…. you’ll like the store. He will mylar any amount of dry stores you care to, any size. They carry a rather large selection of Dry stores. MREs etc. Also a fair selection of #10 canned product.

robert in mid michigan August 28, 2011 at 12:43 pm

what city, does he have a website so i can order then pick up. very interested as this is far enough away so not to attract a whole lot of attention.

Tom the Tinker August 27, 2011 at 3:11 pm

where did I go???

#10 canned powdered milk is 25% under E.M.’s and no shipping or back orders to hassel with.. so…. yes I did. He is going to enlarge his scope of stock but only as he can do it in detail and qaulity. Nice to have a shop in the general area.

button crazy August 27, 2011 at 4:45 pm

Can you give me the address of Worley’s. I do not live that far from that area. When I go to Toledo for some items . I could go to Worley’s. to look at what they have. Thanks

Tom the Tinker August 28, 2011 at 8:44 am

1671 STERNS RD. TEMPERANCE MI. 1-734-224-7011 “WORLEY’S OUTPOST” MON – SAT 9 A.M. TO 8 P.M. Its not a huge place… just a start up and the only one in the area south of the MI. LDS cannery.

The Other Ellen August 27, 2011 at 5:29 pm

Hi Tom!
Can I get a town name to go with the state and roads? Looking up Worley’s in Michigan isn’t getting me very far. It will be a bit of a drive for me, but I think it would be worth it to avoid the shipping charges and be able to get things in the quantities I’m looking for.

Thanks!!

B August 28, 2011 at 1:56 am

It looks like there’s a junction of Sterns and Jackman in Temperance, MI (just north of Toledo, OH). It looks like it’s about an hour south of Ann Arbor.

I just did a google search of:
sterns jackman michgan

Tom the Tinker August 28, 2011 at 8:38 am

THATS IT! STERNS AND JACKMAN, TEMPARANCE MI. TWO CITY BLOCKS NO. OF TOLEDO.

robert in mid michigan August 28, 2011 at 12:44 pm

thx much

The Other Ellen August 29, 2011 at 12:12 am

Thank you so much! I won’t be up that way until December, but dry goods (properly packaged) can stay in the trunk for the week and a half it will take me to make the Ohio – CA – Ohio run to get my daughter from college.

I’ll stop at Keystone Meats on the way home, too. They’re just south of the intersection of 75 and 30.

DaveNV/AZ August 27, 2011 at 3:12 pm

Started planning a move to be closer to my family. I am planning several different routes and versions of transportation. Right now its 111 F outside. Way to hot to try walking out. But have set up a system that can get it done. Going cross country and traveling at night. Depending on events at home could leave tonight or in a couple of weeks to a month or so.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 27, 2011 at 4:50 pm

Dave, how far would you have to travel? If you go at night, remember that a red light provides enough light to see without compromising opsec. Let us know how it goes.

DaveNV/AZ August 27, 2011 at 6:54 pm

LP, going to try to use vehicle first then maybe bus. If that don’t work for what ever reason (money) then boots. Long route by vehicle about 400 miles. Cross country through some badlands ( old wagon trails and train route) (did it twice when I was younger), runs right around 247 miles. I have a 3 AA led mag light with a red lens. Been using red lens since my service yrs. thanks they do help.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 27, 2011 at 7:36 pm

Good luck. Hope it all works out for you. Stay safe!

OhioPrepper August 27, 2011 at 8:51 pm

Dave,
If you’re travelling at night, and doing the hunker down during the day, don’t forget a solar charger for the batteries. In your area of the country, even an inexpensive one should work well sitting out all day.

Lynda August 27, 2011 at 3:44 pm

Slow week, but made another batch of tomato sauce and dried more green beans. Didn’t need to grocery shop as that’s next week’s chore to replace my charity bags of groceries to the two sons.

Hunkering down awaiting the storm, tropical depression or hurricane here in Massachusetts. I suspect that there will be widespread power outages and I’ll be off-line for a few days. Generator has been tested and we have an ample supply of gasoline. The only thing I’m worried about is my garden. The neighbors are fine and everyone’s just waiting.
I do feel bad for those living in NYC and any metropolitan area.

bcasparius August 28, 2011 at 10:32 am

Most of my preps this week were getting reading for Irene here in MA. Winds are definitely picking up now. Repacked the BOB and told hubby what was in it so he could find things. 11 bottles of water in the freezer for potential power outages. Did not need to run to the store for groceries which was nice. Made 6 loaves of banana bread, none of which made it to the freezer as my kids love it. Picked through all the apples that had fallen off the tree prior to the storm and made some applesauce. I am sure the rest of them will be on the ground by tomorrow.
If one of these blasted pine trees doesn’t land on the house, we will be fine. I’m pretty sire I have everything I need short term. Long term, that is a whole different story.
Got called in to work for 3-11 shift as I only live 1/4 mile away. Hopefully if I drive fast enough, I can dodge the tree limbs:)

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 28, 2011 at 7:45 pm

Are you OK? We need to hear from you, please.

Lynda August 29, 2011 at 5:20 am

bcasparius, hope you weathered the storm alright. One part of my town in central MA lost power because of a transformer, as did Brimfield, the next town over, but we still have ours. I did read that over 100,000 are without power. Schools are cancelled today for many regions.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 29, 2011 at 8:05 pm

Lynda, I was wondering about that river at the end of your road, is it over its banks? Glad you are fine.

Lynda August 30, 2011 at 3:59 am

LP, you’re sweet. Yes, we’re fine and never lost power although I wish I could say the same for all those people. The Quabog river didn’t overflow in my area but is very high. I may have miles away.

farmgal August 27, 2011 at 4:00 pm

It was a busy week, with a few bumps, M.D. Glad you are seeing progress on your place, and hope your mom is still doing better.

Lets see were to start, got a package in the mail from my dad, it had a new skinning knife in it for me, he said it was “girl” pretty and it does have a very fancy handle, he also sent me a book called Emergency food storage and survival handbook by Peggy Layton.

Books I picked up for myself this week include Home Sausage making the 3rd edition, its got a 100 recipes in it. How to build Animal housing- 60 plans for coops, hutches, barns, sheds, pens and lots more, and Perserving, the canning an freezing guide for all seasons

In the garden this week, we dug out and put away 82 pds of potato’s, have brought in a used, or dried two bushels of tomato’s, the slicers and cherry are still going strong but the roma’s are really starting to come in now, one bushel of mixed peppers, those rare white heritage never did produce, thank goodness I plants three kinds or I would have none.

I have picked 12 pds of elderberries, 8 pds of Chokeberries, 14 pds of grapes and 54 pds of apples this week and bought a bushel of peachs, and put up 24 quarts of baby dill pickles, and I am on the tail end of cucumbers. Picked close to 10 pds of cabbage and made it into crout or at least the start of it.

Picked up a new pair of steel knitting needles with the plastic line between for working on bigger projects, almost finished the babies blanket I am working on at the moment.

Picked up 6 yards of a nice heavy wool fabic, (they say its unknown but it sure burns like wool, so it has a high percent at the very least) Got two twin size old green wool blankets at a garage sale for five dollars.

Loss Leaders this week was Bleach a case of six gallon bottles (yes I marked the date, but I use alot of bleach around here), six bottles of dish soap and 6 large cans of salmon. Three packs of Q-tips.

Sorry girls, I just didn’t have time this week with the canning/garden to get around to cooking on the ecozoom stove but I have it on the hit list for this week and will update when I get to it.

Looking forward to reading what everyone was up to..

M.D. Creekmore August 27, 2011 at 5:21 pm

farmgal,

Thank you – she is doing well…

Jo (Georgia) August 27, 2011 at 4:09 pm

most of this week has been a mental excersize in what we know we will need when we do finally move off the grid although that will be a ways off. I will miss next weeks WDYDTPTW because we will be off grid over the weekend. Gayle’s article got me thinking about how we use our garden to reduce our grocery bill, maybe I will write about that for the new contest.
Stay safe east coast, and everyone else for that matter.

Judy(another one) August 27, 2011 at 6:35 pm

Please do!

Gayle August 27, 2011 at 8:03 pm

Jo,

Yes, that sounds interesting. Next Spring I am going to put in some sweet potatoes. This winter I am going to plant some white potatoes. I need to do more research on this but Florida is a key producer of winter potatoes. I didn’t know that. Anything I can grow myself will save me money.

Jo (Georgia) August 28, 2011 at 1:58 pm

Gayle, for potatoes I’ve been using this method http://www.re-nest.com/re-nest/gardening/how-to-grow-100-pounds-of-potatoes-in-4-square-feet-081760 seems to work very well, and keeps the space they take up to a minimum. I’ve had best results putting them in the ground in Feb. here. you may be able to go earlier since your further south.

Gayle August 28, 2011 at 3:57 pm

Jo,

Thanks for the heads up–that’s the exact website that I have been looking at. We can put them in the ground in Jan. here.

Vienna (Soggy prepper) August 27, 2011 at 4:18 pm

Whole chicken was .79 lb here, about 3.50 for a chicken so I bought “a few”. I’m just freezing them since I’m still too nervous to can meat. Also stocked up on poweraide @ .49 a piece for the 32 ounce size. We are now stocked! :) That was it for adding to the preps.
I did Finally get my GSD pup! I am more excited then the kids! He’s been here two days now and is settling in just fine. Our 7 yr old lab thinks he’s worthy enough to be played with every once in awhile.
So this week was skimpy on preps but full on fun!

pam s August 27, 2011 at 6:38 pm

Vienna(Soggy prepper)
i don’t think you would have any problems canning meat.
i am one of the worst kluzts there ever was. and i was always scared to try canning. one day my mother-in-law was bragging about her “other” daughter-in-law doing miracles with her canning. i thought “phooey” (that was not the word i used) if she can do it, so can i. well, i went to the store and bought me a pressure cooker and unfortunately i’ve been canning ever since.
but i you go to presto pressure cooker online. they will give you step by step instructions on canning meat. you will do fine.

Judy(another one) August 27, 2011 at 6:43 pm

I say go for it!!! If you are able to can green beans you have the skills to can meat it just takes longer. For a trial run put a couple quarts of water in your canner and go for the length of time and pressure at your altitude. After you have done your first load you will shake your head and smile at yourself for being so timid.

Texas Nana August 27, 2011 at 7:51 pm

Just do it!! If you can read, the instructions and tell time you can can meat. I’ve been canning for a long time, but just started canning meat about 18 months ago. So far, so good!! You will be very happy when the power goes out that your meat is canned and not frozen.

OhioPrepper August 27, 2011 at 9:00 pm

If you do have frozen meat, and you learn to can meat, have the canning supplies on hand, and cook with a non-electric range, then even if the power goes out for an extended period, you can always thaw the meat and can it when the time comes. Even if you don’t do a lot of canning, having the skill and equipment in reserve gives you options.

Gayle August 27, 2011 at 7:06 pm

Vienna,

That’s great. I have a three-year-old GSD named Max. They are excellent guard dogs. Max is my third GSD. IMO, they are the most loyal, intelligent dogs–but I could be biased.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 27, 2011 at 8:31 pm

Gayle, for some reason I pictured you with a hlapsa apso instead. LMAO. Hey, be careful if you ride your bike with your GS dog running beside you. Many folks here have gotten seriously injured, and one killed, because their dog tripped them up.

Gayle August 27, 2011 at 9:53 pm

Thanks, Lint. Those folks who ride with their dog on a leash are crazy. I’ve often thought about doing the Dog Whisperer thing, having him pull me while I am wearing roller blades. But I figured stopping would be a problem. Max is over 100 pounds and loves to run. I think the dog park is the safest place for that kind of activity.

farmgal August 28, 2011 at 9:28 am

I’m right in line with the other ladies, if you can already, using the pressure canner to do meat is going to be as simple as following the packing rules and using the right time length for your sea level height with the right pressure poundage.

KansasProud August 29, 2011 at 5:52 pm

Don’t be afraid to can meat. Just follow the directions and really, you’ll see how easy it is. Years ago, we had a really bad ice storm. We were without power for 12 days. The canned meat I had on hand was truly a blessing. We ended up sharing it with some friends. I think once you try, you’ll be really happy that you did.

Schatzie Ohio August 27, 2011 at 4:32 pm

We have subscribed to Countryside magazine for 40 or so years. It is one of my favorites. I no longer take Mother Earth News and haven’t for about 20 years.
In the purchases dept the husband bought more ammo ( are we a terrorist? we don’t think so we just have a variety of different guns that need ammo). Bought dormant oil for the apple tree, rescue tape, 2 sportsman blankets, peppermint oil and after all the flashlight talk a LED spotlight. Ordered and received “100 Day Pantry” by Jan Johnson.
The husband checked out and ran the generators so they are ready for the winter season.

M.D. Creekmore August 27, 2011 at 5:20 pm

Schatzie,

Mother Earth News isn’t what it used to be – I subscribe to Countryside, Backwoods Home, Fur-Fish-game and The Backwoods Man.

Schatzie Ohio August 27, 2011 at 7:33 pm

We subscribe to “Backwoods Home” also. The husband likes the gun articles and I like Jackie Clay’s articles.

Also, I gave the wrong name for the “100 Day Pantry ” book it should be Jan Jackson.

Virginiawoman August 27, 2011 at 5:47 pm

100 Day Pantry is a great book. It really helped me jump start my food storage prepping.

riverrider August 27, 2011 at 4:45 pm

all, i need help(not that kind).. i have had 2 flashlights take a powder on me in as many days. one was a decent brand, i thought. i’m looking for an aa or aaa light that works when i need it, is bright as possible and won’t break the bank. and don’t say surefire, i got one and while its a good light it eats lithium batts and goes dead when i need it. what are my options, besides take out a second mortgage?

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 27, 2011 at 5:33 pm

How much are you willing to spend? Do you want LED or bulb? Handheld or self-standing or both? You gotta give us more info if we are going to help out our prepping brother.

On that other thread I think I provided a link to a good hand-held with flasher and storage. Price was right, too. May not be powerful enough, though. Check it out at Emergency Essentials. http://beprepared.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_CL%20F380_A_name_E_LED+Glow+Spotlight

If you can spend more, the StreamLite brand is great. http://www.streamlight.com/

LynnS August 28, 2011 at 6:33 am

Hey RR, I’ve got to back up what LintPicker says about the StreamLight. My Microstream has only been in use for 2 weeks but it’s bright and fits the purpose it was bought for. Packaging claims runtime is 2.25 hours on one AAA battery.

Nor Cal Ray September 1, 2011 at 12:02 am

Hey LintPicker,
I just recv’d my latest issue of Kansas Magazine and they have a short interview with a gentleman who collects antiques. He reminded me of you. I had to read it a couple times just to make sure it wasn’t you. He said his favorite collection is his FLASHLIGHT collection. 100 +/-.
Ray

Judy(another one) August 27, 2011 at 6:44 pm

Raid Lint-Picker’s stash!!!

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 27, 2011 at 7:40 pm

Uh, did I mention that I also collect PPDs? And I know how to use them.

Judy(another one) August 27, 2011 at 10:19 pm

Of course we know that! I just wanted to get a rise out of you!

Judy(another one) August 27, 2011 at 10:56 pm

Lint picker, sorry, please excuse my twisted sense of humor.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 28, 2011 at 12:02 am

No problem, Judy(another one), I took it as a joke. Do you have enough flashlights? Never can have too many, ya know. :)

Judy(another one) August 28, 2011 at 12:51 pm

Actually, I like wondering around in the dark. (Drives Hubby crazy!) Wish I could drive without lights at night I can see more. Which is to say Hubby has the flashlight collection.

Becomes the Bear August 28, 2011 at 6:28 am

LP- you should open a store!

Becomes the Bear August 28, 2011 at 7:37 am

Or a museum….

Judy(another one) August 28, 2011 at 12:48 pm

Museum! Great idea!

GFGTC August 27, 2011 at 8:09 pm

riverrider,

Try the Fenix brand. I have a Fenix LD01 that uses a 1 AAA battery that will fit on a key ring and is plenty bright with three brightness settings. I carry this one in my pocket always. I also have Fenix LC10 that uses 1 AA battery it also has three brightness setting plus stobe. When I bought them a couple of years ago, the cost was about $40 each from Amazon. Since thay use LED, the batteries last a long time.

GFGTC (God Fearing , Gun Toting, Conservative)

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 27, 2011 at 8:33 pm

Hey GFGTC, I could be GFGTC2 (too). Welcome aboard!!

OhioPrepper August 27, 2011 at 9:46 pm

I still think the Serengeti is one of the best bargains around for price/performance. At least three friends (including two in my prep group) carry them, and mine have been used in night shoots where they get dropped and beat up a lot. I think they’re going for around $15 each, but typically come in a blister pack of two. Specs are, Cree LED module, runs on 3 AAA batteries, pushbutton tactical style on end cap; 80/160/160 strobe lumens. Available many places online and I think Sams Club carries them also.

riverrider August 27, 2011 at 10:03 pm

op, that sounds like what i want…..lint, i ordered that handheld you linked me. i need a pocket size one. serengeti may be it. and i’ll try a fenix too, just because. thanx guys!!

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 28, 2011 at 12:14 am

rr, if you’re going to look at Fenix, may as well check out this place, too. http://www.garrettwade.com/mini-led-flashlights/c/13613/

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 29, 2011 at 8:10 pm

Damn, I forgot to mention one of my favorite low-priced and reliable flashlight companies – GarrityLites. They have very good products for very little money. http://www.garritylites.com/

Southern Girl August 27, 2011 at 4:50 pm

We done a little prep this week. Got more double packs of peanut butter, my grand daughter tried to take all of it home with her. She could live off peanut butter alone. Got several cans of soup and stew; to add to the storage. Plus more bottle water, just in case we lose power. We have only gotten wind and rain so far, so it’s looking like we are far enough from the main part. The people around here are being crazy and buying like it’s the end of the world… We are staying as far away from the stores as possible. I still laugh that they will buy 5 or 6 gallons of milk and countless loaves of bread, and never get water or can goods. But they are the mindless mobs after all!! Like Gayle, I’m going to make some bread. Then I’m going to make home-make beef stew and read a book.

OhioPrepper August 27, 2011 at 9:49 pm

Southern Girl,
With 6 gallons of milk, they can make a lot of cottage cheese when the power goes out and the fridge no longer stays cold. LOL

Southern Girl August 28, 2011 at 1:24 am

Thanks Ohio Prepper, I love it!! We always say to be careful if the neighbors try to share cottage cheese with you after a storm. My son calls them the french toast zombies.

OhioPrepper August 28, 2011 at 8:27 am

I have a friend who calls them the same thing, since they almost always make the run for bread, milk, and eggs.

Judy(another one) August 28, 2011 at 9:12 pm

For the life of me, I have never understood the ‘buying milk and bread’ thing, particularity before a winter storm. If the electricity goes out your forced air furnace won’t work but your gas stove will. So why not bake bread, cookies, fix a roast or a pot of chili, have a cup of hot chocolate and enjoy the snow fall? I figured that out when I was 18 and in my first apartment!

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 27, 2011 at 4:58 pm

Ordered some stuff from Cabela’s on Wednesday, part of the order arrived yesterday. Couldn’t believe the speed in which it arrived.

Ordered some stuff from Emergency Essentials on Wednesday. The entire order arrived on Friday. What a pleasant surprise.

Ordered some stuff from Augason Farms on Wednesday. Still waiting for them to even notify me that my order has been shipped. I gotta say that AF needs to speed up their processing if they want to remain competitive.

Picked two small zucchini from my bush zuke plants. Those were the only 2 blossoms I hand pollinated. Now I’m waiting for the plants to produce more female blossoms – it isn’t happening.

Tomatoes are now covering my plants, but none of them are ripening and they are not growing very fast, either. I spoke with my neighbor and she said everybody is having similar tomato delays. Glad to know it isn’t due to my black thumb.

Hope everybody in Hurricane Irene’s path, from NC up to Canada, is battened down and safe. Aren’t you glad you prepped?!!

MD, thanks for keeping us updated on your progress at the new homesite. It’s very interesting, and I wish you much success in the process.

May God bless you all and may God bless America.

blindshooter August 27, 2011 at 5:10 pm

I can’t even remember last week, the one coming up is going to whip me. This storm is trying to wreck us here in eastern NC, my driveway(long path) is clogged with downed trees and I think half the shingles are off already. No juice since 10:00 but I have seen the power company trucks roll by and that’s a good sign. I can deal with the power down now but I know the coming days after a storm bring really muggy/hot weather and the ac would be nice. Built a 5 gallon bucket with a sill cock and hose to put in the attic of my neighbors home to catch and drain water where his chimney fell and holed his metal roof. Mine is leaking but I can’t fix it until the wind let’s up and it will be dark then. Pray for the folks closer to the coast, we are a 100 miles inland and it was still nasty.

pam s August 27, 2011 at 6:44 pm

stay safe. prayers said for all on east coast

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 27, 2011 at 7:41 pm

blindshooter, you done good by helping your neighbor. For some reason God is testing you. Just remember how it all worked out in the end for Job. Keep the faith.

blindshooter August 28, 2011 at 11:32 am

OP, the slow forward speed is what got us, it gave the 10 in of rain time to work into the ground and with the wind still going at 60-70 mph the tress could not stand it. The wind and rain were steady here for about 12 hours. My roof was already old so it did not hold up very well. We have a big pine leaning over the place I’m moving into and I guess we will hire a tree crew to get that one at least as soon as we can get one, they will be busy. I’m lucky, there are many with trees in their homes and lots without power. The flooding has not been near as bad with this one and that’s a real blessing. My friends at the coast are OK with only some trees down and some roofing work to do. I’m whipped already, I started cleaning up at first light before it got so hot and got up most of the small stuff. When the ground dries some I’ll pull the bigger stuff back to the burn pile with the truck. All in all this one won’t near as bad as some of the storms we had in the late 90′s, at least not in my area. There is a huge difference between 60-70 and 90-100mph, we had 110 mph gusts with hurricane Fran and she really laid the trees down, lots of the pines just broke off like tornado damage. I did not even have to light up the oil lamps for this one!

That brings on a question, just how long will kerosene and lamp oil last? I have some that’s at least 10 years old, and it seems to work OK. Just wondering if I should replace what I have with fresh stock. Looks like I’ll be living with hurricanes for some time unless MD takes me in to raise;^)

OhioPrepper August 27, 2011 at 9:55 pm

blindshooter,
I’ve been watching coverage most of the day, and although this storm is only a Cat 1 based on wind speed, it’s moving slowly (15 MPH) and is huge at something between 500-700 miles wide. That means that if the eye hugs the coastline, the rain and wind effects will reach inland 250-350 miles. You’d think being 100 miles in would count for something, but not in this case.

chemman August 27, 2011 at 5:13 pm

Finally got the funds together and ordered the wood stove. Should be in next week. Will have to buy 3 cords of seasoned wood for this winter. Will start laying in wood to season for future winters. Bought an 8 x 10 x 20 sea-van container for storage. Need to rearrange my storage since my elderly (87 yo) mother will be coming to stay with us by end of September. She can’t live alone anymore. Cucumbers are producing well. Strawberries are finally producing. Have a number of potato plants doing well (finally). Tomato plants have been sub par this season. Lots of Kale. One of the hardiest plants we have ever grown. Three years old and still producing year round in the 4-season green house. Had to free a bull snake from critter netting. They get tangled up and end up killing themselves. I like to have them around to discourage the rattler population and keep the pack rat population in check.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 27, 2011 at 5:38 pm

Kudos to you for taking in your elderly mom. You’re a good son.

axelsteve August 27, 2011 at 5:16 pm

I reclaimed my barn in the back yard.I got rid of my leech inlaws drill press now I got his radial arm saw out. I threw away general crud that I do not need or need to save to toss out later. I filled up our recycling bin and burned some stuff and am consolidating stuff.I painted my gun case cammo.This is where alot of the preps are going to wind up in.It is a small barn it is about 10×14 or so.

chemman August 27, 2011 at 5:18 pm

Should have added I finally got my wife fully on line to do more than occasionally buy extra food. She has agreed with me to put aside enough each month that if the SDHTF in the next year we will have more than a years supply of food on hand.

Ellen August 27, 2011 at 6:08 pm

Congratulations. When you work as a team things seem to hum.

Scout August 27, 2011 at 6:47 pm

Preps have been for REAL this week – I am a few miles from the East Coast and Irene is headed our way. While I still had some last minute things to buy or do, I felt very prepared given my ongoing preps. I plan to list out everything I did and review it for lessons – storm still not to me, so class is not over yet ! In the last few days I have been taking extra special note of how a variety of different types of people have been acting in the face of the storm – Good and bad . Right now power flickers once in while but no power loss yet. The biggest challenge while we sit and wait are the boys arguing and my youngest getting mad because the power has NOT gone out yet!! I’m going to tinker in the garage and watch the backyard become a pond.. Fun Fun..

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 27, 2011 at 7:45 pm

Scout, would you consider providing a report about the whole experience when/if you get the time? How will the chickens survive? And what did you wish you had on hand? Etc?

You need to give those boys of yours a job to do to keep them busy. Make it just hard enough to keep them trying, but not too hard to frustrate them. Good luck to your and yours

Scout August 28, 2011 at 9:31 am

Thanks for the ‘prod’ Lint. I would like to write up an article but time is the killer. In addition to this post storm report, I have some other ideas – maybe a couple late nighters and I can crank it out. Irene weakened last night and moved a little east.. No big deal for most in our area. After about another hour of whining I went to the panel and killed the power to the house to make them “happy”. They were onto my trick pretty quickly as they looked at the neighbor’s houses all lit up.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 29, 2011 at 12:34 am

LOL, smart kids! Glad you had no problems.

K Fields August 27, 2011 at 8:33 pm

Scout – sounds like you have a good handle on things.
Off topic but the pseudonyms used here always intrigue me. Is your father’s name Atticus?

Scout August 28, 2011 at 9:33 am

Mockingbird tastes good !

K Fields August 28, 2011 at 2:41 pm

LOL

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 28, 2011 at 8:05 pm

Who else could play a role in a movie called “To Kill a Mockingbird” besides a guy with the name of Gregory PECK???

Tigerlily August 29, 2011 at 2:22 am

Russell Crowe?

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 29, 2011 at 8:12 pm

LOL, good one!

Em in GA August 27, 2011 at 6:51 pm

Hope everyone in Irene’s path are ok. I agree with the other posts, stay inside. These crazy people trying to surf during a hurricane are out of their minds.

Decided I needed to get in shape so I joined a gym. Right now my feet are propped up and I’m groaning in pain. Thank goodness they have a pool. Wonder if I can get in shape by just swimming?

Received my order from EE. Some peanut butter powder I can’t wait to try. A weather radio that uses batteries, electricity, solar, and hand crank. Also they had led flashlights on a headband on sale. Bought 10, I plan to use them as stocking stuffers at Christmas. Also #10 cans of butter powder, buttermilk powder, and severl types of fruit.

I have garlic and jalapenos dehydrating. Not sure if two dehydrators are enough. Seems like I always have something in the process.

Yesterday morning I turned on the tap and nothing came out. Seems we had a water main break. I just pulled out the bottled water from my stores and kept on going. Thank goodness I’ve added several 55 gallon drums of water to my supplies.

K Fields August 27, 2011 at 10:23 pm

“Yesterday morning I turned on the tap and nothing came out. Seems we had a water main break. I just pulled out the bottled water from my stores and kept on going.”

Feels good doesn’t it! One of my favorite memories occurred a few years back after a winter storm had hit this area. I hadn’t left the house for a couple of weeks (there’s no work here that time of year) but finally decided to go to town to enjoy a piece of pie and a cup of coffee at my favorite diner.
Driving into town, I noted the traffic light wasn’t working but didn’t think much of it until I found the diner was closed. Stopping by the Sheriff’s office to see what was going on, I found the power grid for the entire section of the coast had been down for close to 2 weeks and I hadn’t known anything about it!
Got back in the truck, headed home, baked myself a pie, fixed a pot of coffee, and went back to the book I had previously reading.

farmgal August 28, 2011 at 9:47 am

I got caught in the big black out on the east coast on a trip, I was down from the artic, taking training course for my hounds, and we were out on a farm doing sheep dog training and trials so we missed the news and the fact that the power was out, until we headed back to town and got back to the hotel we were staying at, I had a rental car but had brought some things with me, and had stocked the trunk after I had arrived, ended up hosting, feeding and watering the rest of the folks on my ground floor room, as we could get in to it..

When I finally got a land line out to call the hubby, he said, you good, yup, full tank of gas, cases of water, had filled the cooler with ice that morning and had at least a weeks plus worth of instant food, plus cash on hand, ended up camping until the airport was back working.

Had lots of fun peaple watching, its amazing at how some folks panic and some folks just shine as they deal..

Em in GA August 28, 2011 at 9:28 pm

Felt really good plus it gave me an idea of how much water I need to store. I may not have children but I do have 4 legged babies. I’m planning to add rain barrels in the next couple of months. You can’t have too much water.

Jo (Georgia) August 28, 2011 at 11:38 am

Swimming is a full body work out, its actually great for getting in shape!

Em in GA August 28, 2011 at 9:33 pm

Wonderful. My exercise of choice is swimming. I swam laps for over an hour today. I’m going to get into shape if it kills me. If I can do it by swimming then it won’t hurt at all.

Copperhead August 27, 2011 at 7:05 pm

I really hope everyone stays safe and makes it through hurricane Irene without too much trouble. You all are in my thoughts and prayers. Have been watching Fox and Weather Channel to see how it is going as I have numerous relatives out there.

I did not do a lot of physical prepping this week. I am planning to get a chest freezer to put preps in that need cooler temps. Our summers are just too hot here in my part of Texas. Am also going to buy the jar sealers from Foodsaver. I have a question…have you all made copies of ALL of your insurance papers, titles etc for your BOB bag? I also have land, does one make copies of deeds etc? I’m going to have one really heavy bag, I’m afraid. My list of what I need to do seems almost over-
whelming. Hope TDL does move too quickly on stuff, I need a little time!

I am concerned about what Riverrider wrote. I want to store a larger amount of gas for my generator and garden tractor and am afraid it might go bad even with sta bil in it. Anything else I should do? Seems like nuttin’ is easy anymore!

Everyone have a good and safe week. My many thanks again to M.D. for this wonderful blog. Go Wolf Pack!!

Also, DaveNV/AZ, however you travel, go safely!

K Fields August 27, 2011 at 8:43 pm

The talk about gasoline has me wondering also. I know OhioPrepper has talked of doing a propane generator conversion and hopefully will share his experience on that, but does anyone have info on how countries like Brazil (which uses a lot of alcohol fuel) cope with the problems that have been expressed?

Gayle August 27, 2011 at 9:45 pm

I would be interested in this information as well. There is so much I don’t know. Yikes. Thank you, M.D., for this forum where we can learn from each other.

M.D. Creekmore August 27, 2011 at 9:50 pm

Gayle,

That’s why we are the Wolf Pack and not the lone wolf…

OhioPrepper August 27, 2011 at 10:12 pm

That propane conversion is still in the plans, but from a financial point of view, probably several months in the future. I’ll write something up on it when I do it, or perhaps even try my hand at a YouTube video, and give bctruck some competition LOL.
As for important papers, instead of copying them, perhaps you can scan them and either burn a CD/DVD or place the images on a thumb drive. If things fall apart to the point we can’t read the media and print the copies, then most deeds, etc. won’t be worth all that much anyway. As for what to copy/scan, I’d do everything from birth certificates, to marriage licenses, titles and deeds. Better to have things you don’t need than things you need and don’t have.

OhioPrepper August 28, 2011 at 12:20 am

P.S.,
One of the engineers I work with is from Brazil. I’ll ask him about the ethanol next week.

robert in mid michigan August 28, 2011 at 1:33 pm

propane is an easy if not cheap conversion you can do to almost any gasoline engine, not sure about deisel.

as far as brazil and them thier are a lot of stabilizers you can put in for fuel but most are regulated or are very nasty stuff to be around. for the most part they rely on the same system that america does and that is to use it up as fast as possible.

alcohal does eveperate but it also draws water into itself. as does gasoline. any fuel really when you pour gas on your hands it dries out the skin because it is drawing the moisture out of your skin.

ethonal by itself and normal distilation is very hard to get past 94 or 96 percent pure the rest being water. if you are not adding hydrocarbons to it then its not really a problem it will burn descent in fact most ethonal vehicles run on 190 proof alcohol as getting the water out of it past that point is both complicated and expensive. with hydrocarbons added however the water really messes with cumbustion so it has to be pure alcohol. water and hydrocarbons are also make a laquer that gums up the works and will eventually plug up fuel lines and injectors.

i believe that brazil is an ethonal fuel system with out gasoline not sure on this but i believe it is. also even though the green agenda is pushing brazil as a model we should follow they are having a lot of problems with the system. any system that depends on a monculture quickly depletes the soil making it unusable for that crop and they must clear even more land for the raising of that crop. we are seeing the same thing here with the only way to continue the production of corn is to pump the land full of chemicals.

i am not a true environmentalist as i do believe that if a chemicle helps man it should be used but we ahve to use the resources wisely and not burn them up in a few short years, decade, century what have you. half the worlds problems right now are directly linked to the burning of food in our engines,.

ethonal is part of the solution but it is not the whole answer and politicians can not figure that out.

K Fields August 28, 2011 at 3:09 pm

I was thinking more in light of self-sufficiency than national policy. I cannot produce gasoline, kerosine, or propane but I can and have produced wood gas and alcohol. I’ve found wood gas plants to work OK in stationary situations but be almost impossible to control in mobile settings. That leaves alcohol and the associated problems that are currently showing up in ethanol gasoline use. I’m sure my old tractors will run on alcohol, but if the fuel tanks, lines, etc. immediately rust out due to excessive moisture, it does no good.
That was the basis of my question, how are countries like Brazil getting around these problems?

K Fields August 28, 2011 at 3:47 pm

“propane is an easy if not cheap conversion you can do to almost any gasoline engine”

I’ve heard that but I remember back in the 70′s a couple of folks I knew tried converting their trucks to propane (oil embargo, cheaper cost of fuel, etc.) but ended up having constant problems and all of them went back to gasoline. I’m really interested in hearing from someone who has actually made a successful conversion (not an engine factory designed to use multiple fuels) and has been happy with the results.

Becomes the Bear August 29, 2011 at 6:39 am

There are still stations where you can get ethanol free gas. It may cost you more but in the long run may extend the life of your small engines. Ask your local lawn and garden equipment dealer for the nearest station or google “ethanol free gas” and you will find websites that locate what you want.

Copperhead August 27, 2011 at 7:08 pm

Oops! a goof…I DON’T want TDL to move too quickly! Sorry about that.

OhioPrepper August 27, 2011 at 10:14 pm

Copperhead,
I personally want TDL to move as quickly as possible . . . out of the White House.

Nuttbush54 August 28, 2011 at 12:17 pm

Ohio Prepper, HERE, HERE!

Judy(another one) August 27, 2011 at 7:09 pm

Still treading the financial water here. Hubby did a spreadsheet for the budget and has figured out we will be solvent until March or April, if, nobody sneezes, without him being able to find work. I got my two inventory spreadsheets merged. We’ve got most everything for 30 days, 90 days has some holes, noticeably flours and oils. And 12 months doesn’t look too bad if you only look at the jams and jellies! LOL!

Gayle, thanks for the links to those coupon-ing web sites. I was able to use them to print some coupons for this weeks grocery shopping. There was enough cash left over for some treats!

Gayle August 27, 2011 at 9:32 pm

Judy,

You are welcome. I am glad to hear you were able to save a few bucks during hard times–every little bit adds up.

HandAxeProMan August 27, 2011 at 7:12 pm

Bought a new battery for my BOV and did some other minor maintenance. Scouted the area where I plan on getting a deer and elk to up my prep foods in about two months. Enjoyed seeing and talking to the Bedouin sheepherders. They are in the area 24/7 during the summer months. They told us exactly where to find the biggest herds and the biggest bulls. We gave them a bag of Doritos and a bag of mixed mini candies. They have beautiful dogs. I had to hog tie my wife to leave without a Border Collie pup. The big white guard dogs, Kuvasz, are imposing. They are not aggressive but let you know you do not cross an invisible line around their herd which includes the sheep, horses, dogs, and the shepherd. They are beautiful, regal, strong, and courageous. They take on bear, cougar, coyote, and people that would threaten the herd. The traditional Bedouin wagons now have metal over the outside and a solar panel on the side to power battery run lighting on the inside. Otherwise they look like those of several hundred years ago. What a trip!

MotherEarth August 27, 2011 at 8:01 pm

Praying for the east coast, please stay safe!
This week was box goods at the store. Ordered more spices, still canning almost daily after work. Makes me one tired puppy! Should finish up the green beans tomorrow. Then its back to salsa and the roma’s for sauce. Just tried a new jelly recipe and am pleased with the results, no sugar, just maple syrup.
Gotta say I like MD’s setup on his new place, sounds like loads of privacy. Have a good week everyone!

SaratogaPrepper August 27, 2011 at 8:42 pm

Lots of prepping this week, most of it practical prepping. Another session with the daughter at the range, she is quite a good shot; still need to get the Wifey-poo out there. Worked on daughters GHB, you never seem to finish those. I have made that into 2 separate systems. One a car emergency system in a plastic tote, then a backpack system in case she has to hoof it. Looked into hooking the point well pump to a solar system. The batteries are very pricey, I figure at least 4 would be needed. At least I have the old-fashioned pitcher pump in case the power goes out until I figure out the logistics. The usual cans of various veggies and fruit, beans & more ammo (daughter is chewing through the 20 guage and .22LR).

Was going to go to a local gun show tomorrow, but Irene had different plans for me. As I work for the electric company here in Upstate NY, I’ll be working all day Sunday. All vacations cancelled and everyone was told to report @ 0600 & plan on a 24 hour tour. At least with the overtime I’ll be able to afford that .308 I’ve been looking at. Just started raining here @ 2000, no wind yet but they are calling for 50-70 mph winds, so it should be a busy day. Haven’t had a hurricane here in a while, thought we do get alot of T&L storms, ice storms & deep snow regularly should be interesting to say the least.

Hope all you preppers along the East Coast are safe & sound.
God Bless

Sunny August 27, 2011 at 8:54 pm

We dodged the bullet on Irene here in Florida this week. Sending a prayer for all on the east coast.

Good week for us DH is on the mend and able to get around more. Has got garden cleaned out for fall garden. Dehydrated eggplants and peppers – peppers look beautiful.

Trip to Sam’s bought the only 2 bottles of honey they had, 2 jars of applesauce, 3 pack of Off. I only went in for frozen fruit for smoothies and yogurt but am always looking to fill in the gaps.

Printed LDS and placed in binder, DH has skimmed through it and I did too while, printing and hole punching. Looks like lots of good info.

Received wide mouth jar sealer for Foodsaver. Received several used books to, am reading Living Cheaply with Style. I’m already cheap
and love to find new ideas I can incorporate into saving on preps.

Daughter moves out tomorrow, so next weekend is a wall-to-wall inventory of food. I’ve lost track some since half of storage was in guest bedroom.

Tigerlily August 27, 2011 at 9:05 pm

Well, good news this week. The biopsy results came back for my mom and they found no more signs of cancer, so the amputation got it all. They are still going to do treatments to be safe, but it’s looking good.

Then my 94 year old grandma went into the hospital with congestive heart failure. She’s a tough lady and was only there for two days and is now back in her own home. She is one of the original preppers, but having grown up during the Depression and marrying during WWII, she did it out of necessity. I’m grateful I’ve had the opportunity to learn so much from her but I sure wish I lived closer so I could learn more before it is too late. Maybe I’ll write an entry for the new contest based on everything I learned from her, but it might turn out to be a book.

As far as the prepping for this week, not a lot was done. I did finally start printing out pages for my binder and am making a trip to Walmart tonight to pick up the binder to put them into. Should probably buy some more paper while I’m there! I also managed to snag a big bag full of button mushrooms for free from our local Salvation Army. We had gone in to look at the furniture they had, and as we walked in the door they were encouraging everybody to help themselves to as many mushrooms as they could use. Somebody donated several boxes full to them and they were trying to get rid of them before they went bad. The last of the ones I took are in the dehydrator as I type.

Gayle August 27, 2011 at 9:36 pm

Tigerlily,

Please do write up a post detailing your grandmother’s experiences. That would be fascinating. I read everything I can get my hands on about the Great Depression and WWII rationing.

pam s August 27, 2011 at 9:41 pm

your entry about everything you’ve learned would be interesting . glad your mom and grandmother are doing better.

OhioPrepper August 27, 2011 at 10:23 pm

Tigerlily,
Hint on paper. Buy 20# copier/printer paper by the case (10 reams or 5000 sheets total) when you find it on sale at Wal-Mart or the office supply. Then invest in a good 3 whole punch. Long term this will save you money and keep a good supply of paper on hand for whatever you may need it for.

Tigerlily August 28, 2011 at 2:09 am

So far I’ve actually been printing on free paper. I had coupons for Staples for HP paper that had a mail in rebate on it so I bought two reams and then got the check in the mail. I’m hoping I can find another deal like that! I have two of the hole punches already. One of them I picked up in high school so I’ve had it for about 20 years and completely forgot I had it so I bought another one. I guess I’m good to go on the back up if one breaks.

OhioPrepper August 28, 2011 at 9:10 am

If you find another deal like that, feel free to post the details.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 27, 2011 at 11:01 pm

Tigerlily, so glad your mom is on the mend and that your grandma is home and recuperating. Bet that’s a load off your mind. Enjoy the week.

SrvivlSally August 28, 2011 at 12:22 am

So glad to hear that your mom is alright and your grandma’s ticker is still counting the minutes. Do something for an entry and do a book as well. Memories are to be cherished and it is something that you can hand down or market to the public. My prayers will not cease.

Tigerlily August 28, 2011 at 2:14 am

Thanks again everyone for the well wishes for my family. I’m sure all the prayers and healing thoughts helped them .

I’ve thought more about writing the post but I’m afraid it will be more nostalgia than anything that will be overly helpful to anybody here, but I’m going to write it anyway. If nothing else, it will make me feel closer to her even though I am an 18 hour drive away and can’t get there to help. I’ll get to work on it but I’m sure it will be a slow process.

farmgal August 28, 2011 at 9:53 am

So glad you got such good news in regards to your mom and grandma, I will look forward to your post, I talk to my mom daily, sometimes more, and I still miss being able to talk to my grandma and grandpa, the life lessions I learned while working in the garden or picking in the berry patches from grandpa, stay with me today, your children and grandchildren will love those memories to be handed down..

Nor Cal Ray August 27, 2011 at 9:18 pm

M.D.
Thanks again for your post about Tennessee as a survival retreat area.
Spent lots of time in the garedn this week trying to keep up with the Peas and Tomatoes. Planted Fall / Winter Garden.
Researched lots of different properties in Ozarks and Tennessee. Haven’t found ecactactly what I’m looking for yet. Will keep looking.
My prayers go out to all affected by the Quakes and Hurricane this week. I pray that you are all O.K.
Preps this week were pretty minor but still anything is better than nothing. Got a brand new in the box George Foreman BBQ Grill, 4 boxes .223 Ammo, 2 x 3600 Calorie Emergency Rations, 2 x 5pk
Kerosene Lantern Wicks, Hawkbill Veggie Knife (works great for harvesting veggies), 2 x 35pk Water, 1 Non-Iodized Salt 1lb.10oz.
Well thats it for this week. I am going to submit an article on how to improve your preps and make money at the same time.
Ray

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 28, 2011 at 12:19 am

Sure, I’d like to know how to improve my preps and make money doing it. Sounds too good to be true, and you know what they say about that! LOL

Nor Cal Ray August 28, 2011 at 12:34 pm

LintPicker,
It really is pretty simple but you’ll have to wait for the post to find out how. Taht is if M.D. feels it is fit to be posted.
Ray

The Prepper August 27, 2011 at 9:50 pm

Has anyone found a solution to keep pests away from their tomato plants? I keep having issues with spider mites, and am curious if there are plants I can companion plant next year to keep the pests away?

SrvivlSally August 28, 2011 at 12:14 am

Go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companion_plants because they have a good list of plants which will repel pests to include the spider mite. When you get there, click your edit button and then click ‘find on this page’ or ‘find’ and enter the words ‘spider mite’ and ‘next’ as that will take you to the plants relative to handling the mites. There are two plants, for the mites, listed so continue with ‘find’-ing. The site indicates that it is not a full and complete list but there is a lot of useful information that you may not want to pass up. Good luck and I hope you will find the plants that will solve your problem.

Hunker-Down August 28, 2011 at 10:05 am

The Prepper,
Try spraying Dial dish washing soap and water on all the leaves, top and bottoms; 2-3 times a week. Reduce the amount of regular watering you do by the amount sprayed on the plants.

Hunker-Down August 28, 2011 at 10:07 am

That’s Dawn, NOT Dial soap. I’m a dingbat.

Jo (Georgia) August 28, 2011 at 2:10 pm

Carrots, basil and the occasional marigold. Haven’t had white flies, spider mites, or caterpillars in years. Everyone in a while I’ll see a couple, but they seem to be just passing through, never enough to damage the plant.

The Prepper August 27, 2011 at 9:53 pm

Anyone have any thoughts on the following post SHTF security video?:

http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/critical-shtf-security-video-you-are-a-high-value-target_08262011

This is somewhat alarming as well as thought provoking. If things get really really bad, the scum bags and criminals will indeed act just like the video mentioned. What are folks doing to protect themselves when they leave home? Any perimeter security measures that can be taken?

Gayle August 27, 2011 at 10:27 pm

The Prepper,

I watched about half of the video. I did not find it realistic. First, the gang members, the folks who terrorize the inner cities and are moving out to the suburbs, will be suffering withdrawal from drugs and will not be terribly active. Second, it is highly doubtful that such thugs can maintain discipline under the imagined circumstances. Third, the thugs would need to be very successful if they were to replenish ammo, food and water; I think they will starve and/or run out of ammo. Fourth, the thugs will be caught up fighting each other, and hopefully will kill one another off. Fifth, anyone who looked that ugly (with tattoos on their face) will stand out like a sore thumb and will serve as excellent target practice.

This is just my opinion. I am interested to hear what others think.

OhioPrepper August 27, 2011 at 11:23 pm

The Prepper,
Interesting video, but oh where to begin.

There was a history channel, discovery channel or one of those who had a show on a few weeks back, on Why we are afraid of the dark. One thing that they discussed was the practice in medieval times of “shutting in”, where houses were securely closed up at night. This is one possibility.

There was a post on the Rawles blog sometime in the last year, entitled, “It takes a village to provide perimeter security”. You don’t need to read much past the title to get the idea. Single families like the one shown, with mom, dad, and the kids would indeed be vulnerable, and should not be your plan unless you have perfect OPSEC and stay hidden. If you plan on raising food from a garden or livestock, then perimeter security and enough personnel to run it need to be in the plan.

If you have a reasonable group together and working and you see your first vehicle in months simply show up at your gate, then why in blazes would you all calmly walk down the drive way en mass, undisciplined, and unarmed? The maker of this video must think we’re all rubes.

And then they seized the two women from the group in the garden and no one was armed or had an armed over watch? I think the folks who made this video are delusional. If the women all carried a small concealed handgun, then the attackers would be down two, right then and there.
And just before the attack they’ll shoot out my cameras. How can they even see my cameras, except maybe the large dummies I placed out as targets? Cameras today are very tiny.

And I love the part where they’ll listen to our radio chatter to help in their planning. Do they think we’ll all be on CB channel 19 or perhaps FRS channel 5? I’m pretty sure communications can be in place that they won’t be eavesdropping on without a truckload of comms gear, especially the hard wired units between the building and the bunkers.

And finally, these 8 guys, after wandering around on foot and overtaking 7 groups, don’t have a local posse on horseback and 4 wheelers with dogs and guns hunting them down. Perhaps the sign with the crosshairs and the word, “We don’t dial 911” might send them off, and if not, well . . .

The people who put this video together are delusional, and although a group like this might take resources from the unprepared after TSHTF, I think they will find that people who really prep will be a much harder target. We are not the hippie communes of the 60’s and 70’s,

AZ Rookie Prepper August 28, 2011 at 1:29 am

Multiple issues with this scenario, although not beyond the realm of possible. Also, too much depends on where you are, what your neighbors and you are doing to protect each other, etc. Your best perimeter security is being quiet about your preps. No one needs to know what you are doing unless you absolutely trust them to be quiet around strangers. Next, in a full scale economic collapse such as posited by this video, strangers would stand out and should absolutely not be trusted. Will there be bad people? Yes. How to protect yourself from them? Become the gray man, dont be the focus of their attention. Or….take them out. Be wary, today’s neighbors might just be tomorrows bad guys.

Lynda August 28, 2011 at 8:33 am

I thought the video made perfect sense and bears paying heed to. These groups could be highly organized and all it takes is one self-proclaimed leader to do it.
The best defense against this is local community groups and neighbors who are armed, much like in my neighborhood.

riverrider August 28, 2011 at 4:20 pm

if i lived in the city or the close-in burbs, i’d be afraid of them. out here in the country, the odds would very quickly catch up to them in the form of rule 308. met with resistance, losing members at every turn, this group would quickly lose confidence in its leaders and fall apart, or die. the defender has the advantage, as long as his stores hold out. in attack, you never go against a like size unit. you attack with at least the next size up, or you will probably fail. that group would need to be about 25 to take on your 5 with much hope of success. if my group all makes it here, they will have a very bad day…… i’m with azp though, i’m more afraid of a turncoat “friend” .

OhioPrepper August 29, 2011 at 3:53 pm

riverrider,
You’re talking about overwhelming force. The old .308 sometimes called the AT&T round (because it can reach out and touch someone) is a force multiplier all on its own. If you can eliminate targets from 500-1000 yards from a good camouflaged hidey hole, a single trigger puller and spotter can break the moral and will of the tangos quite quickly and successfully.

riverrider August 30, 2011 at 10:31 am

op, 10-4 but most folks can’t really shoot that far, much less i.d. a target. our terrain only provides for 50 to 300 yd shots. the bg’s probly won’t present themselves as targets until close-in anyway. even in shtf, you can’t go around shooting folks at 1k w/o provocation:) like i said, i’m more afraid of a “buddy” or my crapbird neighbor. he’s on “the list”. when we seal off the road, he’ll be on the other side of the berm.

blindshooter August 27, 2011 at 10:27 pm

How quick things can look up! I have power and internet again. I drove to my sisters house to help her with a generator( my brother in law and his boys are in TN), she may not have power for a couple days and I think by tomorrow their place will be an island. Water was already across the road in a couple places. Lots of trees on the road, people will just cut enough off to barely get past even the power trucks do it as they don’t have time to clean up the whole tree. She’s good to go although I did scold her a little about letting her cell die, one of her boys took her car charger. I left her one of mine to use, she hates a cell phone but we force her to keep one, I told her it makes me feel better if I can contact her when we have storms like this one.
I am addicted to grid power. I can get along ok but I have a long way to go to ween myself off the grid. Only went without power about 12 hours today but all I could think about was how nasty hot it was going to be after the storm, and now aggravating it was going to be running a generator to keep the refrigerator cold plus trying to patch the roof again. The bucket with hose bib and short piece of garden hose worked like a champ for my neighbor, I dumped three 5 gal buckets for him in less than an hour until I came up with the idea to plumb a drain out the eve. He is disabled and can’t climb up in the attic so he could not dump the buckets and I hated to see his ceiling get waterlogged and fall, he is going to cook me a steak tomorrow so it does pay to help others:^) I have friends out on the outer banks and have not heard from them, I’m sure they are fine but it would be nice to know for sure.

I was ready for this one, with plenty of water, lamps and oil, generator and fuel and plenty of food even if I lost the refrigerator. I thank the Lord this one won’t so bad for me and pray for all the other folks this storm affects.

Luddite Jean August 28, 2011 at 4:57 am

Blindshooter, I’m glad you came through it OK and that prayers have been answered.

Take care in the cleanup.

Ellen August 27, 2011 at 10:41 pm

Sorry I fibbed through my gums (teeth are never in). I bought ink for the printer to print out some of the stuff I have collected for a binder.
I will probably have to buy more.
And I am going to go through the stuff I have collected and cull some of it out.

mountain lady August 28, 2011 at 12:11 am

I, too, want to wish that all of you in the way of the storm will be safe and sound when it has passed.

As for prepping, went to market of our weekly get-together today, and also got my fresh veggies and fruits for the week. My garden can hardly be called a garden this year. I do have chard that is doing great, in fact, so much I am giving the chickens little treats of it. Did find an almost new pressure canner at the local thrift store for $10.00. Last year I found an Excaliber dehydrator for $7.00. I know I have been very lucky in that respect.

Scout August 28, 2011 at 9:18 am

Wow Mntn Lady. I need to go shopping with you. I just dropped 125 for my like-new used Excalibur.. Not sorry though. I love it.

OhioPrepper August 28, 2011 at 12:14 am

This was a very busy week during which we got a lot done, but have little tangible to show for it.

We received an order of cell phone accessories for DW and my phones. We have identical model phones, and picked up two car chargers, two 110VAC to 12VDC power modules with an accessory (aka cigarette lighter) plug, a new battery (mine is getting flaky) and a USB charger /data cable, all for less than what Verizon charges for a single car charger. Now I just need the software and I can manage my contacts on the phone from a computer with a real screen and keyboard.

Spent part of the week getting my DD’s gear sorted and packed to go back to college. Her flight tomorrow (Sunday 8/28) to Boston has been cancelled, courtesy of Irene, and she’s rescheduled to leave Monday morning. I suspect that she’ll be lucky to get out of here by Wednesday, so for now we’re in the wait and see mode.

The garden is growing like a jungle, but not as much produce as I’d like to see. I guess we still have 4 to 8 weeks before a frost, so hope springs eternal.

I hope that all of you in Irene’s path are hunkered down safely, as comfortable as you can be, and realizing that this will be over before you know it.

OhioPrepper August 28, 2011 at 5:04 pm

Yea!!! Just picked my first ripe red tomato. It’s a bit on the small side, but gives me hope for the others still on the vine.

Worrisome August 28, 2011 at 12:14 am

Prepping this week has been all about the little things.
1. Have family here and they helped me re insulate the a/c ducts in the garage. No more messy dusty pink fluffy stuff!
2. Worked on the damper system to the a/c.
3. Cleaned out the fountains and chased a mole around the yard with gas sticks and stuck some sort of sonic device poked in the ground to scare him away. I believe he will be back when the company leaves.
4. Got some clips to hang those day flashlights in every room of the house………getting tired of them all being somewhere else when I want them.
5. Cleaned out the garage and re arranged all the long term storage stuff. Put away the stuff that we used to keep us safe last winter when it flooded around here.
6. Worked on the drip system to the container vegies……….things were not optimum there.
7. Haven’t bought a thing this week other than a couple of new flashlights……lint are ya listening :)?
The family in Washington DC area and Maryland are not in touch………so hoping they are all ok. Heard from one this morning, she is a triathelon champ and she was taking her kids out for a good long run before they all had to stay in the house and ride out the storm. I imagine they are without power tonight………so worrisome is worrying a bit more this evening.
I am going to spend tomorrow redoing my go bag. It has been hot and it has been in the car so am going to start fresh with water and food stuffs in it and change out the summer stuff for fall/winter stuff.
I gave up on a notebook for all my prep stuff and went out and bought myself a Rubbermaid file tote box and set up files in it. One file each for general info, newsletters, financial info, general food info and such. And then just built a notebook for all the wonderful recipes I am getting from being out here. Even created a file called “wish list” so as I drop my ideas in there i can pull them out and prioritize when I am ready for something new.
Tomorrow it is off to the vegie stand for something to dehydrate, not sure what. Going to clean out the freeze that is attached to the fridge and figure out what is in there. My other freezer is so well organized with the shelves and crates in it all labeled and it is stuffed, so am not going to impress myself with this one. ha.
Going to bed tonite saying prayers for all in the path of the storm. Thanks again to MD for this blog. It is a good thing! Keeps all focussed on what is important! Bless you all!

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 28, 2011 at 9:29 pm

Worrisome, regarding Item #7 on your list – message received load and clear! Kudos to you for being flashlight-savvy. ;)

SrvivlSally August 28, 2011 at 12:52 am

Checked the oats and wheat for their states of maturity. Picked about an ounce of Chamomile flowers over the week and set them in a bowl with a napkin under them to dry. Blanched and froze some beans for my mother. Harvested about three pounds of Salal berries. Thursday, Friday and Saturday evening I saw a few hundred flying reddish-colored termite ants take flight from out back and I worked to catch as many as I could with a large fish tank net. Saturday, at about 8:30 p.m., I saw a bat fly up from the area where the termites came from and about five minutes later another bat, likely it’s mate, appeared from the same locale and headed the way that it’s counterpart went. Have to get rid of them because they are working to invade the healthy Douglas Fir trees that sit close to the home. I am glad that the bats are eating every termite they can. I stopped using Boric Acid in apple juice so that the treatment will not interfere with and harm the bats because they are so very needed and beneficial.

OhioPrepper August 28, 2011 at 9:08 am

SrvivlSally,
Do you have any bat houses to attract more of them and give them a safe place to roost? If so, great. If not, check out: http://batconservation.org/ for free plans and kits you can purchase. These things eat thousands of mosquitoes every night, so the more the merrier.

T.R August 28, 2011 at 1:00 am

We went out and picked up some things that she likes at the Russian market , I half way speak it but cant read it , so she had to translate for me ;) Some type of wheat product , and a few other things and some spice mixtures . Always a learning experience lol . bought a solar recharger , bulk loose teas , 2 gallons total of bourbon , same in vodka lol ( shtf , we will not do without ) . replaced a worn rifle sling , more gun oil , vinegar , bleach . The 5 gallon water bladders came in this week , found a good old cast iron pot in a yard sale .

C.R. August 28, 2011 at 3:41 am

This is my first response to this blog but I’ve been reading with pleasure for quite some time. This week I canned tomatoes, started more cayenne peppers in the dehydrator and we started construction on our greenhouse on Friday. We had two of the walls up and the third ready to assembly by Saturday afternoon.

M.D. Creekmore August 28, 2011 at 7:42 am

C.R.,

Feel free to comment anytime we would love to hear what you have to say.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 28, 2011 at 8:17 pm

C.R., welcome to the Wolf Pack. MD is the alpha male. Where he leads, we follow (sometimes). :)

pam s August 29, 2011 at 10:12 am

if you don’t mind my asking. was the greenhouse a kit? my sister is wanting to build one.

C.R. August 29, 2011 at 5:35 pm

No Pam, we have been salvaging windows for almost a year and a half now. That along with several other things we saved repurposed around her we finally had almost enough materials. We have bought a few 2x4s in 8ft and 12 foot lengths. Our project got delayed though found a water line leak yesterday been working on it today.

Mike S August 28, 2011 at 4:03 am

Picked up 4 ounces of silver coins. Aquired 50 more once fired brass casings from a friend in exchange for an equal number of casings in a caliber he loads and I do not. Loaded some more .45 rounds to through into the safe till they come back out next week to get some practice.. Thats about it, slow week. On a bright note thought, I will be back to work finally next month so I should be able to work some overtime and fatten up the larders some. It’s been six months since my second back surgery and I am excited to get back to work.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 28, 2011 at 8:19 pm

Good score on the silver and brass. Glad you can get back to work. Enjoy the paychecks!

Judy(another one) August 28, 2011 at 10:03 pm

Glad to hear you are getting to go back to work!

overkill750 August 28, 2011 at 4:14 am

I worked on the wife’s AR. replacing all the spring in the lower and adding a new forearm and forearm grip. also picked up some camo and some pouches to add to my bug out bag. and found a patch from the China, Burma, India theater of World War II ( the theater that my father was in ) Dad would not talk about the war but after he died we found his DD214 that showed that he was awarded 2 bronze stars for valor, 1 silver star for valor and a purple hearts. He was wounded 9 times and held prisoner of war for 6 weeks until he helped some others escape. I miss that old man.

grannyj August 28, 2011 at 9:24 am

Overkill, your dad sounds amazing. I’m sure he (as well as my dad, uncles, and brother – WWII, VIetnam) could tell us much about survival in the extremes and doing “what you have to do to survive”. These folks are a wealth of knowledge, surviving not just the wars, being born in and around the depression years… I’m sure he would have good advice for you in these trying times if he were here! Hugs – granny

Overkill750 August 28, 2011 at 3:59 pm

Thanks granny, yah my dad was a tuff old bird and taught us to be self-reliant. But it was my mom that taught us to think outside the box for problem salving and the importance of being true to yourself and that integrity was more important then popularity. I didn’t have a “Brady Bunch” childhood but I would NOT trade mine for anything.

Tigerlily August 28, 2011 at 4:37 pm

I swear I read that post and I thought for a minute you might be my dad, but then I remembered my grandpa was a POW in Japan, so different location. Almost the exact same story though. Those men were amazingly strong willed. I found out at my grandpa’s funeral about the lives he had saved. He never in all my life spoke one word of any of it.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 28, 2011 at 8:21 pm

Overkill, your dad was a true hero. Sorry that his generation is gone and all too soon forgotten. Thanks for telling us a small part of his history, he must have been a wonderful dad.

michael c August 28, 2011 at 4:21 am

I purchased a DC powered pump (Dankoff Solar Force #3020-12B) for my well to replace the 240V 6hp pump. Since I have solar electric, I can power the DC pump better (more options like straight solar, battery) than the AC pump. The AC pumps installed around here are “over sized” for the actual requirements of water. The DC pump is a piston pump and runs on a pulley/fan belt that could be powered by bicycle.

Ordered LED lights to reduce my electric usage.

K Fields August 31, 2011 at 2:57 am

michael c – Just noted your post. Wow, that is a serious pump! How do you have it set up i.e. how many watts are you feeding it? I’ve heard they can pump an enormous amount of water, are you using it for irrigation as well as domestic use?
Man, don’t just make a statement of purchasing a new pump, give us some details! I want to know more!

michael c August 31, 2011 at 3:09 pm

K Fields, that IS a real pump – to replace a real pump (that uses 20 times the power). Although, I just got it, it is not installed, yet. I bought it to make sure I have water, I could (and will) water external areas like the garden. I have the pressure switch to maintain “city” pressure for my palace ‘er place.

Care and feeding – if you go to the AltEstore.com you can get the specs for this pump. But, in a nut shell – it can be powered by battery or solar (min 22 Amp solar output) of which I have both (disclaimer – Michael C has 20kW batteries and 750 Watts solar plus portable systems) The pump will work without filter (grit and sand are killers of other pump types), will run dry.

K Fields August 31, 2011 at 10:26 pm

Thanks, I’ll check it out. I would love to have something that could produce a big volume, but I doubt I could afford a Dankoff. My little NEMO only produces about a gallon per minute but only needs 4 amps at 24volt dc. Different pumps for different purposes.
Congrats on moving towards self sufficiency!

michael c September 1, 2011 at 3:30 pm

You know, I had to buy that type of (surface) pump because my well pipe is only 3 DIA. And could not fit (4″ min pipe) a pipe pump. You should check out the Altestore.com for submersible pumps – if you have a bigger well pipe since these will cost less. You would still get more flow than with the pump you have now.

Brett Denman August 28, 2011 at 5:00 am

Well what did I do this week? I FOUND THIS SITE! I look forward to reading, learning, planning and getting to work. Cheers.

M.D. Creekmore August 28, 2011 at 7:40 am

Brett,

Welcome to The Wolf Pack…

The Prepper August 28, 2011 at 7:42 am

I have been trying to conserve money so I didn’t get much done this week. Did a lot of cleaning and organizing though, which is just as important in the long run.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 28, 2011 at 9:34 pm

You are correct, cleaning and organizing are important parts of prepping. If you need another place to clean and organize, I can give you my address.

MtnMan August 28, 2011 at 8:19 am

I have been reading this blog for awhile now and have learned alot from you fine folks. MD, thanks for your article on Tennessee. There are alot of simularities to what I had when I lived in western NC. Now that I’m in the eastern part of the state it’s quite different. My preps for this week consisted of getting everything ready for the hurricane. I look forward to continuing to learn from everyone’s posts and hopefully contribute as well.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 28, 2011 at 8:24 pm

Welcome, MtnMan. Good to have you aboard.

pam s August 29, 2011 at 10:09 am

hope all is well after the hurricane

WildernessReturn August 28, 2011 at 9:35 am

Preps nothing…
last Friday, I was using my laptop and bam… my china made powercord, fried.. worse it also fried the laptop power module. I only had 1hr and 40min on battery. I managed to get only about 65% of my info transfered across.

Ironically I was looking at getting a backup device, so now a New Laptop, less data, and working to get the rest off of the harddrive, which is XP protected is challenging!

Back up your data to another computer.. NOW!!!
my electronic prep for this week, so I can see all the other preps that I did before… :(

blindshooter August 28, 2011 at 11:44 am

WR, try mounting the drive on a Linux box, you may be able to get more of your data that way.

WildernessReturn August 28, 2011 at 1:52 pm

good idea thank you will look into that

OhioPrepper August 28, 2011 at 2:41 pm

blindshooter,
Are you a Linux guy?

blindshooter August 29, 2011 at 7:49 pm

I love Linux for several reasons, it’s almost free, easier to secure and I can use it to run old hardware. Some of the machines I service run on an open source OS, and I have to get them to “play” with Micro$oft.
I can’t do command line except for very basic stuff and then I depend on forums and search engines.
So I would not say I’m a Linux guy but I am a fan.
Do you fly with the penguin?

BB August 28, 2011 at 9:09 pm

Have you considered a cloud service such as
SugarSync?

WildernessReturn August 28, 2011 at 9:37 am

Did stop at some garage sales yesterday morning;
picked up 2 smaller gas cans (plastic) for only $2.50,
two smaller oil lamps for $2 each
a small DC air pump
.. ya.. go preps… LOL

jaxhaus August 28, 2011 at 10:32 am

Didn’t get too much prepping done this week. Found DAK him this week at a Wal-Mart super center and bought three cans (that’s all they had on the shelf.) Also bought three pkgs each of thin spaghetti and large elbo macaroni. (both hard to fine where I live) Received an order of 12 ga 00 and 4 buckshot to add to the ammo cache. Made a trade with a friend, a bucket of wheat for a few pieces of green paper with Geo. Washington’s picture printed on them. Also bought a couple of very high intensity flashlights which require only one AA battery and are small enough to carry in a pocket or purse. Thanks to you, MD for the excellent blog and to all who post great items that have helped me to become a better prepper. I’m slowly inching up to a two-year supply of food and equipment.

Jack

DEE August 28, 2011 at 10:39 am

Sounds like everyone is keeping busy. With a drought-killed garden this month seems odd…no major canning to do. Did slice and clean a 5 gal. pail of onions which survived. Took a peek at the sweet ‘taters and they are doing great; they love the heat. Pa tilled up both gardens. Local fella selling a mix of rye/wheat so will sow over garden when we get next rain.

Made an appt. to take beef to be butchered and arranged with neighbor to haul her. Getting two+ dozen eggs a day so need to get my egg sign out.Broke down and bought some egg cartons. People aren’t good about bringing them back. DS brought his pg cat to the farm which I was displeased about but the three remaining kittens have turned into quite the hunters. Seen them with bunnies and mice plus a small snake so guess I’ll keep them around! The ragweed is blooming early making me retreat to the a/c most of the day. Finishing up some quilts. Rounded up the ingredients for another batch of soap. My boys claim is is the only thing they like for shaving; doesn’t cause shaving bumps.

Neighbor had two huge walnuts come down in our last storm and gave us the wood so got that hauled home, Waiting on cooler weather to split it up. We hemmed and hawed forever about buying a splitter…best thing us old folks ever did! Makes short work out of the worst twisty wood.

Looks like Irene may not be as bad as predicted. Lots of people without electric. Smug feeling knowing you can take care of yourself!

Plant Lady August 29, 2011 at 9:20 am

Ummm, you might want to check with Remington, Savage, etc. to see if you can sell them the walnut for gunstocks. Or any hardwood lumber mill or local woodworker…walnut is way too pricy to use for firewood! 40 yrs. ago a cousin had a big old walnut in his yard and it was breaking up the sidewalk. Was going to cost him $300 to have it taken out (about a months wages then!). Luckily, he checked with my Grandpa first (loves to cut down trees). Cousin ended up getting $1500 for the tree…they even dug up all roots down to finger size (for walnut stain making). They replaced the yard and reseeded it and put in a new sidewalk, also.
Or maybe have the trees sawn into lumber and planed…beautiful wood!
You will probably be pleasantly surprised at how much you could get for the wood.

OldLett August 28, 2011 at 1:02 pm

Got a chain & lock for the generator. Can be heard for a mile.
Filled 2 more 2 liter bottles with water.
Got silver impregnated band aids.
Received the Envirofit stove. Good design, terrible management. It had been re-shipped (returned) and not properly packaged. The bottom fire brick was decimated. Relined it with oven cement. Cheaper than return postage.
Gathered fire wood before storm.
Harvested 3 dozen pears. Will not be able to eat them all before spoiling. No canning experience.
Leveled the rain barrel. The ground had shifted, making it lean.
Hardest prep for someone who is going to be 75 next week.
Thanks for a great site. Egils

farmgal August 28, 2011 at 2:48 pm

Hi OldLett

I won’t try and get you to can if you feel to unsure about it, but I will put out the idea that you can make a pear butter or chuncky pear stewed fruit and it will last many more days in the fridge then the raw pears will..

The easiest way to do so would be the Pear Stewed fruit, cut your pear in quarters, take out hard middle/seeds and stem, cut into three equal parts and put in a big measuring cup, for each 4 cups of fruit, add up to one cup of sugar or honey, if you like it less sweet go down to half a cup but you need to sugar to help it keep, so please don’t cut it out altogether.

Add half a cup of water, and simmer the fruit/sugar combo till cooked, then give it a mash with the potato masher and cool and put in your fridge to keep in a covered bowl or jar with lid (well I run a very cold fridge but fruit stew can last upwards of two weeks)

You can add spices if you want, like cinnamon or ginger or a tiny pinch of all spice, you can eat the stewed fruit as fruit itself or you can use it as a side dish with white meats like pork or chicken, you can use it as a topping on pancakes or oatmeal.

Hope you enjoy them regardless on what you decide to do with them, fresh local pears are a delight.

mountain lady August 28, 2011 at 4:24 pm

Since I will probably forget by next week, HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 28, 2011 at 8:31 pm

OldLett, happy birthday next week. Welcome to the Wolf Pack.

Judy(another one) August 28, 2011 at 10:17 pm

Happy Birthday!!

Suggestions for your pears: Pear Butter, Pear Honey or even, blanch and freeze those extra pears in a light sugar syrup.

pam s August 29, 2011 at 10:08 am

oldlett-happy birthday and many more!

pam s August 28, 2011 at 1:08 pm

i have a question regarding water in plastic bottles. i had packed several water bottles in d.h. emergency bag that he keeps in the car. i was told if the water in the bottles stay in a hot car that it can become contaminated. has anyone heard that?

WildernessReturn August 28, 2011 at 2:34 pm

Yes the answer is yes, depending on the grade of the bottle.

The cheap come in a 12-24 pack are not good for you. Designed to break down, take one, bounce on counter and watch the particles of plastic float around. Drinking from car not good. IF the bottle heats up/freezes the breakdown occurs even faster.

Keeping water in one or two large bottles are good ideas. Look for the triangle on the bottom, you want to see the number 3 or 2 at the least. Another option is to use a Water carrier, the number s on them are level 3 or higher. Eg. Coleman brand, high grade plastic.

Some of the old containers contain the BHTs etc, there are other chemicals that are dangerous, keep away from them, they should not be used at all, keep on shelf as souvenir only, or for looks.
Hope this helps.

pam s August 28, 2011 at 8:41 pm

makes you wonder about how long cases of water have set on hot loading docks. i’m suprised more haven’t gotten ill.

Tigerlily August 28, 2011 at 4:45 pm

I had heard the same thing so I did a little research on it a while back. Short and quick version, go to Snopes and read this.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/plasticbottles.asp

pam s August 28, 2011 at 8:37 pm

checked out the website and thank you for the info

AZ Rookie Prepper August 28, 2011 at 4:56 pm

pam s, I have heard that too, something to do with the plastic releasing chemicals into the water from the heat. I was told the solution is to use steel water bottles.

pam s August 28, 2011 at 8:42 pm

i have a couple of steel water bottles. i quess nows the time to use them. thank you.

Jo (Georgia) August 28, 2011 at 9:54 pm

make sure they are just steel. Some of the older ones were still lined with plastic.

pam s August 29, 2011 at 10:05 am

jo- thank you

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 28, 2011 at 8:38 pm

pam s, no need to worry about modern plastic bottles. The older ones contained BPA, but the new ones have removed that chemical and should be good to go for years. If you are still concerned, you can go with something like Nalgene bottles, but they can leak if tipped over. http://store.nalgene.com/ Or stainless, which is good but don’t buy them if they are painted because the paint will chip off in use.

pam s August 29, 2011 at 10:06 am

don’t know what i would do if i couldn’t ask all of you for advice.
sometimes i feel like i’ve led a sheltered life.

alikaat August 28, 2011 at 4:43 pm

Howdy all-
Made it home with my boys from South Jersey, where we were visiting my 95 year old grandfather. Thanks to my eldest son’s ability to navigate using the iPhone, we wove our way around the worst of the NYC-evac snarl and it only took us a little less than 5 hours to make it. In good weather, that commute takes us about 4 hours.. so we were really lucky. Lots of traffic, but it all moved pretty well. No one was driving like an idiot – everyone just wanted to get out of there. It was kinda weird.
I’m writing from my parent’s home, because I made it home very early Saturday morning to discover that my preps had been thoroughly sabotaged. While I was in NJ, my DH decided it was a good time to clean house and reorganize, making several trips to the dump to dispose of what he considered clutter. My stash of charcoal, the brazier, and the extra propane tanks for the gas grill are all gone; about a half a cord of wood from cutting down our very ancient apple trees gone (when I asked about that, he said he donated it to a guy he works with who heats his house with wood!), and all of my camping equipment packed up willy-nilly into plastic bins and shoved into the loft of the barn, where it is completely inaccessible to me until I don’t know when because of all of the seasonal yard furniture stashed in front of it in advance of the hurricane. Think I should pause to take a breath? Well, I’m not finished. When we walked into the door, it looked like someone else’s home – completely sterile, with no sign of anything of mine or the kids. It had all been packed away and shut into closets or bins. He’d even hired a cleaning service to come steam clean the rugs and furniture so that it didn’t even look like we lived there. Not complaining about the clean… just the calculated thoroughness of it all. As if we were filth to be hidden under the rug! It makes me sick to think of what he might have thrown out of my camping/backpacking equipment… it can’t possibly all fit into the 5 or 6 bins he claims he put it all in.
I read with incredible envy the stories of people here who are able to work with their spouses and children. Not only do I not have that, but mine is working to eradicate any chance we might have to insulate ourselves from what is coming to pass in the next few years. Sure, I still have my pantry, but how much can you really store in a 4X5 closet? Besides, that is only a very small part of what I have been doing to prepare… and not nearly enough space or support to do even that well. I am terrified to look into my camping equipment – a good amount of my long-term food preps were hidden in plain sight as a rather large stock of backpacking foods, that by themselves filled 5 or 6 30-gallon rubbermaid bins. I’m willing to bet those were considered ‘unnecessary and probably spoiled’ and discarded, because I don’t see them anywhere! I really really really hope that I’m wrong, but I won’t know until I can get in the back there and look.
I feel like I’m fighting a losing battle… I will be defending my thesis within the next year, and have a tenure-track faculty position waiting for me when I get that piece of paper. I can’t afford to make any life changes now without risking my career and my childrens’ futures… but feel this treatment requires some kind of response. It is dangerous, insulting, and incredibly infuriating.
Not only have I not prepped this week, at a time when my preps should have come in handy, what preparations I have made have taken a very bad hit.
I think I may have to hold my breath, let it pass, and wait it out until next year. Doing anything else would make things much, much worse.
I am thankful to you all for the continued posting of ideas and positive solutions that keep me hopeful. Someday, I will be able to apply some of what I learn here when I am able to take back my own life. Until then, I’ll just keep my head down and wait it out.
Just like living in a hurricane.

mountain lady August 28, 2011 at 6:02 pm

My thoughts and prayers are with you. A year is a long time, but will give you the time to prepare yourself for getting your life back. I remember those feelings, a long, long time ago, and so I really feel for what you are up against. Good luck and say lots for prayers. The Lord will help you through this if you ask for the help.

Hunker-Down August 28, 2011 at 6:12 pm

Hi Allikaat,

Just keep your cool, keep your priorities in the order you want them to be, and don’t let a short term response derail your plans. Good luck.

Jo (Georgia) August 28, 2011 at 6:24 pm

Alikat, I’m so sorry you’re having to live with this abuse. Have you considered getting a storage unit? You can usually pay for them with cash, months in advance, and your not so DH wouldn’t have to know it existed. Some times the disaster we must prepare for is our fellow man, not nature.

Mother Earth August 28, 2011 at 7:26 pm

Alikat,

I can’t even imagine the despair you must be feeling. So sorry to hear this, but I think Jo is right, find another place to store your preps. I pray this next year goes well for you.

alikaat August 28, 2011 at 8:17 pm

Thank you all for being so kind. I think I may be able to store some things with my parents (though there is little space to spare in their small retirement home) and with some other dear (Prepper) friends, who have many times offered me and my kids a safe landing space if we ever need it. And I could do so without arousing suspicion with my DH… so it is probably long past time that I took this path. Guess it just took something like this to make me realize that this is necessary. Even if I did not have to worry about things getting discarded at home, it is perhaps a good plan to have things stored in multiple locations in case one ever got compromised by either man or nature.
Thank you all again. Stay safe,
Cat

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 28, 2011 at 8:47 pm

Cat, my prayers are with you. Don’t rile the beast, just do what needs to be done until you get that piece of paper next year. Then it’s your life to live again. Stay safe!

As tk said, please keep posting here. You can rant and vent here, without upsetting the anti-prepper.

Gayle August 28, 2011 at 9:28 pm

Cat,

One word about your thesis–a good dissertation is a finished dissertation. And don’t worry too much about the defense. You are the expert on the topic you’ve chosen, so you know more about your chosen topic than your committee members. Also, your chair will not permit you to schedule your defense until the other members have signed off. In other words, the actual defense is merely a formality.

templar knight August 28, 2011 at 7:22 pm

Good Lord, alikaat, this is awful. My spouse has never been as committed as myself, but would never hinder my preps in any way. I really feel bad for you. My thoughts are with you through these tough times, but remember, This too shall pass. Believe it!

And please keep posting here.

pam s August 28, 2011 at 9:01 pm

alikatt-went through the same thing with first marriage. i walked away with my sanity. i agree with everyone else, get a storage locker and remember to make copies of all your important papers. however low he gets, you’re a better person than that.
remember we’re family here.

Copperhead August 29, 2011 at 12:09 am

Alikaat, I agree with the others…keep posting here to get it off your chest and be able to function at home without too much pent up feelings. These folks here in the Wolf Pack are wonderful!

Get that piece of paper and then tackle the world!!
My prayers and God’s blessings!

Schatzie Ohio August 28, 2011 at 8:57 pm

I wonder how he would feel if you cleaned out his stuff with out him knowing about it?

Scout August 28, 2011 at 9:58 pm

My situation not that bad, but same problem with spouse not being “on board”.. I feel sorry for you. Pray for patience and treat it like a training exercise – sounds dumb but it can help make good out of bad. It’s as if you were looted (but from inside). When my barn was robbed, I had that sick violated feeling even though less than $1000 of stuff was taken. This is common among victims of crime. It makes you feel sick but it can build you up too. Just having it happen to you makes you better at dealing with any other similar problem in the future – IF you are introspective about it . Some anger is good So you have been looted. You nee dto think better about how to SECRETLY build up a cache of supplies (more locations better in different directions). Keep your preps in the shared house minimal and keep the BoB’s in your car or locked closet. Keep notes and get organized about it. Keep all the records of the cache and survival refs at your office (not home) in a special “Personal” file. Thinking of my own situation I always wonder how this kind of spouse reacts when the SHTF ! Will they thank you and admit you were smart or will they take your preps and kick you out?! I could go on and on with more. I have been thinking through this for different reasons. BE prepared.

azyogi August 29, 2011 at 12:01 am

Being or having a faithfull mate is way more than who sleeps where. Faithfull is support for the dreams of your mate. Faithfull is to be trustworthy to that dream. I think far more than your preps have taken a hit, your trust for the man must be gone or nearly so. If he has proven himself unfaithfull, and untrustworthy in the minor thing of being prepared how goes the big things between mates? Been there and done the sticking around for the kids, trouble was if I can’t trust my partner with the trail mix, why trust them with young minds? Negative examples teach in the long run, not so much in a dash. Hardknocks will remove negative imput it’s just hard watching your kids graduate from that school.

Worrisome August 28, 2011 at 11:49 pm

It is best to know now that you haven’t got a true partner than wait until the SHTF and have such a person throw you and possibly the kids under the bus. Very sad, hoping you will be okay!

alikaat August 29, 2011 at 9:31 am

I am amazed at how much people here have read between the lines of what is happening in my life when people in daily face contact with me and my family have no idea or choose to say/do nothing. Thank you all for your suggestions and support. It means so much to me that there is this incredible community of people here who are willing to give positive moral support, creative advice, and recommendations that will work that I may not have come up with myself. I am just too close to things here to think all that clearly. Thank you all so much.
The semester starts for me today, and with it goes the majority of my free time. Please don’t feel that I am not here if I post less frequently than I have the last few weeks. I will continue to read as much of the “What did you do to prep this week” posts, and will, if I have a few minutes… but my time for the next year or so will be strictly limited. Thank you all for being so kind, and thank you, MD for building this great community of friends.
Cat

templar knight August 29, 2011 at 10:43 pm

Good luck and God bless you in your endeavors, alikaat. I know you realize this, but most of the people here are survivors, and have experienced some hard times and have taken some hard hits in this life. But they picked themselves up, put a smile on their face, and persevered. I have the utmost respect and admiration of these folks who post here. They are truly the best.

chloe August 31, 2011 at 7:36 am

Now that you are fully aware of the level of sabotage you have been subjected to – act immediately.

No mention to the children ever about re-acquiring preps; which must be stored away from your home, yet accessible in case of emergencies.

These new preps are to be your secret – except for one trusted parent.

And start putting away some cash – gives you options.

Now that you know what / who you are dealing with, you have to also act accordingly – he did not telegraph to you his intentions, therefore, you are to do the same.

Stay focused, follow through with your education – and you may also need to consider preparing for a day when you may be locked out of your own home by your other half. Don’t think it can happen?

The pain and shock you experienced, that has come through in your blog, shows that you may need to be more aware that the sabotage can still continue…

As an objective reader, I can see you are still feeling hurt that all the energy outlaid, plus money to gather together preps to see your family through has been thrown away.

Stay calm, start again, keep your own counsel, stay on track.

We are all preppers here and we empathize.

I wish you strength and courage.

May God bless you and give you double the preps you lost. Think of Job.

Rise above this. Regards

VALadyPrepperNurse August 28, 2011 at 5:38 pm

All of my free time this week was spent preparing for Irene. I was pretty sure I had everything I needed, and I was right, but I made sure things were organized and easily available if/when needed. I went out to fill the car with gas, pick up a few fresh food items, and then I secured the house and yard so nothing would become a projectile. Filled the bathtup with water just in case, but did not need it. Survived the hurricane with no damage, thank goodness.

Hope everyone has a good week!

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 28, 2011 at 8:47 pm

Good news and good job!

STL Grandma August 28, 2011 at 5:38 pm

Well, it’s been a rotten couple of weeks for preps. Had no money to begin with, then the day the money came in, my computer decided to blow the motherboard. It started going Thursday night, so I spent Friday morning saving all my data to the external drive and just about the time I got it done, the frying started. Just when I thought I was going to have to spring for a new pc… my ds came over with a pc left in his basement by a former friend who took off for parts unknown, leaving his worldly goods behind.. other then a lotta porno to remove, the computer was just dandy and all the data transfered back took a few days, but done now.

Also weeded 4000 books into about 2000 books and told oldest ds to come get half his inheiritence (sp?) cause he claimed the library. Strange the books that were instant “Let it go to Bob” and how many were instant “No… that’s an old friend.” Both DH and I are bookworms, if you can’t tell.

Bonus, now, I have another set of metal shelves free for more preps! :D Into week three of baking my own bread using the Biga & Soaker method and the bread is very tasty. I’m satisfied with the rise and loft to the loaves, as well.

DS the youngest, who gave me the PC, also made his move to the same rural area that has my daughter and that me and DH are planning on relocating to, so that’s one more family safely away from the Zombie Sodomite Hoards. (to be known as the ZSH from now on in my mind lol) Other then watching the baby while they got the move done, didn’t get anything else done.

Hunker-Down August 28, 2011 at 5:47 pm

We’re shopping for 55 gal. water barrels.

Wow, $85 at Emergency Essentials. We can get recycled food grade plastic barrels that have a 2 inch screw in plug for about $12. They look identical to the picture of the barrel on the EE web site. Everything has to go in and out of that hole. I have no way to determine what might have been in the barrels; the seller claims that they are “food grade”.

With just 10 gallons of any cleaning liquid it would weigh about 90 pounds and there’s no way I can pick it up and shake it. How do we clean it such that it will be safe for storing drinking water?

P.S.
M.D. Are we at least in the top 10 of ‘dumb question people’?

M.D. Creekmore August 28, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Hunker-Down August 29, 2011 at 4:19 pm

Thanks M.D.

If I use 2 of the Danny Lipford DIY barrels for grey water I can get along by purchasing only one of the EE barrels for drinking water. Thanks for the money saving tip!

AZ Rookie Prepper August 28, 2011 at 9:01 pm

H-D, One way to clean barrels is to lay them on their side, spray into the 2 inch hole some water and the cleaner you want to use, put the plug back in and roll it on the ground. Still heavy, but doable.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 28, 2011 at 9:50 pm

Exactly! Let gravity do the work. It should only take about a gallon of 50% water and 50% unscented fresh household bleach to do the job if the barrels are rolled around several times. Don’t forget to tip them over to clean the inside top. Then rinse with clean tapwater – should be good to go. If there was something funky inside them originally, you can tell because it would be sticky or smell funny….or kill you – one or the other. LOL, just kidding.

Hunker-Down August 29, 2011 at 4:21 pm

Thanks AZ,

but I’m too old to dance with that amount of weight.

Grits August 28, 2011 at 8:15 pm

I’ve been lurking around here for a while and just recently posted for the first time. So I would like to say thank you, MD Creekmore, for hosting this marvelous blog and to all posters who give such wise advice and encouragement. I’ve gained a tremendous amount of useful information.

This week my preps were a little different since I was mainly getting ready for Irene. She turned out to be a bit of a non-event as far as hurricanes go (at least in my part of VA). Not that I’m complaining, I’ll take a Cat 1 over a Cat 3 any day.

Washed every dirty piece of laundry in the house
Ate up as much perishable food as possible
Tested flashlights and batteries
Double checked food supplies, TP, first aid supplies, etc (was in good shape here)
Picked up 2 extra cases of bottled water
Bought 1/2 case alcoholic beverage of choice :)
Removed all potential projectiles from the yard

At the thrift store I found an old copy of Stocking Up by Rodale Press for 98 cents. I think there must be another prepper/homeschooling family in our neighborhood who donates their books because I keep getting a whole lot of great finds there.

Does anyone know of an effective way to secure stacks of firewood to keep it from blowing away? Mine survived the storm intact but…..

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 28, 2011 at 8:57 pm

I have never tried this, but I’m wondering if laying down some heavy-duty ratchet-style binding straps (tie-down straps) and then stacking the wood on top of them and then bringing up the two ends and cinching them tight might work? Then tighten up the bundle again each time you remove some of the pieces.

Ron August 28, 2011 at 10:56 pm

I once used two parrallel 2 x 4′s, 8 foot long, with eye bolts on each end. Stacked my wood on the 2 x 4′s and used ratcheted straps to tie it down.

Allie August 28, 2011 at 9:22 pm

I recently started a part time job, my prep is learning the skill of standing on my feet for 4 hours at a time. This is something I think would be useful during shtf, why because I am sure we will all be taking shifts on guarding our property day and night. If articles I have read are correct the most dangerous place will be entering and exiting your home. The thieves will be better dressed than you. My feet ache but it is something I rather learn before time than to add an extra hardship in a stressful time. My brother will be moving in with me on the 1st. We will be job hunting for him soon.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 29, 2011 at 12:46 am

Allie, do your work shoes have good arch supports? If not, you can buy a pair of orthodics from Dr. Scholl’s and they will help your feet. Your back may get tired, too, from standing 4 hours. This will ease as your muscles strengthen. Doing sit-ups will help your back.

Hope your brother finds a job.

Allie August 30, 2011 at 6:01 pm

I may take your advice and get Dr. Scholl’s because it is the arches in my feet that mainly hurt. I haven’t noticed any difference in back pain (had it since I was 12). I hope my brother finds a job soon too. Keep us in your prayers. Pray my husband gets the job at market street. If so my prep budget will be at least double or triple what it was in the past.

Gayle August 30, 2011 at 6:18 pm

Allie,

If you are considering the Dr. Scholl’s, you might also consider the Quadra Step. Here’s the link:

http://www.quadrastepsystem.com/about-quadrastep/

I was professionally fitted and got the shoe inserts for less than $100. The two most common reasons for back pain are improper foot mechanics (which can be fixed with orthotics) and weak abdominal muscles (which can be fixed by exercise).

pam s August 29, 2011 at 9:57 am

allie-you may want to get support hose. i know you may think “well i’m not old enough to wear those” but if you are standing for long periods of time you may start with vericose veins in your legs. mine started when i was in my teens and now i’m having to have them stripped. hope all goes well with you job.

BB August 28, 2011 at 9:23 pm

Recieved a bonus this month so felt best way to invest was in preps for the family.
Purchased small Honda 2k watt generator for backup. Purchased a .308 which has been on my list for three years . Lost power last night and the toughest decision was which backup light to use. Preps come in handy. Went with the LED headlamps but was prepared with coleman lanterns, candles and or the new generator. Did find that rechargeable batteries in scanner were low so fixed that issue today by purchasing regular batteries to go along with rechargeables.

templar knight August 28, 2011 at 9:46 pm

Prepping was a little different this week. I went to Little Rock for DD’s volleyball tournament, and spent the between the games time looking at diesel generators. After pricing, and then finding out that I had to get muffler kits, and fuel drums, and fuel drum kits, etc., I decided having to store diesel and the subsequent parts needed to keep the thing working just wasn’t worth it. The diesel generator is better than the propane, but the fuel complications added to other considerations makes diesel gereration too complex. I have decided to go with the Generac Propane Generator. Thanks K Fields for your help and advice, and also OP for touting the advantages of propane.

I did go to Wally World and found some .308 hunting cartridges for 13.97 for a box of 20, so bought 100 rds. Also got 2 large bundles of burlap-type camo netting, Break Free CLP, cleaning patches, .177 pellets, bbs, and some CB caps.

I also ordered a 6 mo. supply of MH freeze-dried food from Ready Made Resources. Many places now have it back in stock, so I decided to get some more while I have the chance.

And a big thank you to everyone for the advice I received on house training a dog. Our pup hasn’t peed or pooped in the house for over 2 weeks, and she whines at the door when she needs to go out. The Wolf Pack rules!

Worrisome August 28, 2011 at 11:42 pm

Shelf life is better with propane………you made a good choice

riverrider August 29, 2011 at 11:02 am

tk, me too on the propane. my gasoline issue sealed it. one thing about lp tho, you can’t make it. you can make biofuel to run the diesel tho. this is the catch 22 with lp. that said, i’ think i’m going lp generac too. i already have lp tanks for heat. i have two, and keep one full at all times. good luck on the grandbaby!

templar knight August 29, 2011 at 10:51 pm

Thanks riverrider. And the grandbaby is here. He was 6 lb. 14 oz., 21 in. long, born at 2 pm. Son called me at 3 am, we made it to Texarkana at 9, and didn’t miss any of the action. Everyone ok. Thanks for the prayers and encouragement. Oh, yeah, his name is Oakley Tate.

Will be in Magnolia this week, pam s and brad.

riverrider August 30, 2011 at 10:19 am

tk, congrats!!! hey i found a place that has great prices on generacs. i’ll post the link later if you want.

alikaat August 30, 2011 at 10:50 am

Hi tk-
Hooray, and congratulations on the new addition!

K Fields August 30, 2011 at 12:34 pm

Oakley Tate Knight – what a great name! Congrats to your son and daughter and, of course, the happy grandparents! It’s a great day when a healthy new life is beginning.

templar knight August 30, 2011 at 4:09 pm

I would appreciate that link, rr. And thank you all for your well wishes. The happy couple are headed home in just a couple of hours. I will be doing very little commenting, or prepping, this week. I just thank God everyone is doing well. And the same for you folks here. And I’ve been thinking about you, alikaat. I said a little prayer for God to give you the extra strength and determination to see you through this. I have a feeling you already possess plenty of both.

Mr. Fields, thank you for all your assistance. You have been a great help to rr and myself. Take care, man. And “watch out for that tree”(cue the music for George of the Jungle).

riverrider August 30, 2011 at 5:31 pm

tk, cpogenerac.com….great prices, claiming free shipping, but the transfer switch not included. i have one but i think their’s is dif because it has to have a way to sense the grid going off. they have great prices on those too. see what you think. have fun w/ the g-baby!

K Fields August 30, 2011 at 6:52 pm

Another generator link you might explore is http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com – no personal exp. but their prices look good.
The George of the Jungle tune I like, but you’re the first to use it. Usually folks start singing, “I am a lumberjack…” from Monty Python and that one gets a bit strange if they go past the first verse. It’s always funny though. I’m 6’5″ without my boots on and weight just over 220lbs so as they sing I’ll put on my best “I am not amused” face and their voices always kind of just trickle away…

Copperhead August 30, 2011 at 5:52 pm

Congratulations, tk! Glad the little one has arrived and all are well. Nice sized little guy.
Blessings!

AZ Rookie Prepper August 30, 2011 at 8:55 pm

tk, ditto to what copperhead said.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 30, 2011 at 9:29 pm

tk, congrats on the new grandson! I’ll light up a cigar in his/your honor. Start teaching him to prep asap. :)

Ron August 28, 2011 at 10:52 pm

-Not a whole lot, no $$$ however
- Drained and sanitized the 110 gallon fresh water tank on this rv this weekend. If and when we get to a “Level III” Alert we will fill it up.
- Sold JoJo’s 40$&W. Since she has such a problem racking the slide and is very happy with her 38 S&W revolver we had a chance to make a few bucks and double the amount of ammo for my 40. Sold it to a friend and coworker.
- As part of our on going Now That You Have It You Better Try It program we opened up a 7 oz can of Bega Cheese. This stuff is very very good. They say it’s a chedder but it is kind of like a sharp gouda if that makes any sense. We will be ordering some more. I want at least 4 more cans in our stocks.
- Relocated most of our food supplies into the same storage area and in plastic totes in case we need to bug out without the rv. Also makes it easier to rotate stock.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 29, 2011 at 1:03 am

Ron, thanks for the review of Bega cheese.

This weekend I tried a can of the Bega cheese, too. It has a very mild taste, somewhere between a super mild cheddar and a gouda – good description. It has a cream color to it and a somewhat soft consistancy. Refrigeration made it firmer. It wasn’t by any means runny, but had the consistancy of Velveeta (if anybody is old enough to know what that was). It’s processed cheese, so doesn’t melt the same way a good, natural cheese melts.

I made a couple grilled cheese sandwiches with it. The taste was so mild, I could hardly tell I was eating a cheese sandwich. Maybe my tastebuds are too old?

Although I would not eat Bega cheese day-to-day when there are better tasting cheeses still available, I definitely will get some additional cans to add to the pantry. It will be good for when the SHTF.

Ron August 29, 2011 at 11:14 pm

Lint Picker,
I really did like the Bega cheese but for some reason I put the can in the fridge before opening it so I dont know what it is like at room temp (about 80 degrees in our rv with all the triple digit temps we have been enjoying this summer).
There is one thing I forgot to put on my WDYDTPTW List.
I took a 1st Aid/CPR class. First one I have taken since the 70′s. All the others I have been at I taught. NSC, ARC, & AHA, taught them all. Was certified in WI for Medical 1st Responder.

Plant Lady August 29, 2011 at 10:56 am

I thank the Lord that this week went better than last. Last week MIL was discharged from Hospice – after 2 years – for doing too well (although she is completely helpless). It was a nightmare switching out the equipment and the nurse really let me down. MIL was discharged Tues. and didn’t even have hospital bed and wheelchair until Wed. after 6 pm (sigh). Had to buy MIL a bed to make sure we had one (that was another nightmare)…sure would have rather used that big chunk of change for preps!
This week re-read my cidermaking book and learned I shouldn’t use the beer or winemaking equipment for cider so was going to order the items online (we live waaaay out in the woods). I was most pleased when I checked a local party store first…their small selection of supplies has been really expanded and I got everything I need. Even better, I got it for less than it cost online, even without shipping fees – so mighty pleased – and totally amazed – about that! Also stocked up on some more 22 oz. beer bottles and caps.
Yesterday was a great day! My youngest brother and family came over for the day to help us clean up and fix up the really nice huge old cider press/grinder I got at an Amish auction earlier this year. Got it pressure washed/sanitized, replaced one support leg that was dicy and moved the crusher for greater ease of use. Worked like a charm!!! Have plans to totally refurbish it this winter with a better layout, wheels to move it more easily (it is huge and heavy!), rebuild the basket (and add a second one) out of Corian, and replace the follower and wood tray where the juice drains with Corian or stainless steel. Then it will be good to go for another 100 years. Got a gallon of juice from a heaping 5 gal. pail of apples. And the juice wasn’t bad, even though it will be month before the apples here are ripe (hehe). 3 tablespoons of honey into the gal. of juice fixed that right up. MMM-MMM-GOOD! My brother will be back on Thurs. to press his Golden Transparent apples – they are ripe. Looks like I had better stock up on cider containers…have already had some limb breakage because the old trees are loaded with apples! And – YIPPEE – my long-term plan is working already and its not even quite TEOTWAWKI yet…my brother’s neighbor wants to bring his apples over to press and will trade the use of his really nice chicken plucker later this fall when we whack the first 24 chickens. That is if the eggs I put in the incubator yesterday hatch out enough replacements! My Cider Mill is open for operation!!!
Really late in the year to be hatching out eggs, was going to wait until spring…but the economic world is getting real scary and with earthquakes in weird areas and odd dire weather everywhere…I want to start the spring with fresh layers! Plus one of my Welsummer hens actually went broody after 3 yrs. and hatched out two babies…so I guess its time.
Harvested our first-ever peaches from the 3-yr. old trees. Big, luscious and juicy according to my husband – I can’t stand peaches. I find it hard to believe those little trees can support those big peaches…I thinned half of them out twice this year and will still end up getting a doz. or so from each tree. Sure are eager bearers!

LynnS August 29, 2011 at 12:08 pm

Glad folks are safe and keepin’ on. We’re still harvesting tomatoes, peppers, onions, and squash. Got to harvest more potatoes and dig the sunchokes soon. I Pressure-canned quarts of tomato juice and more pints of salsa. Our weather has cooled considerably, leaves are starting to turn, and tomatoes are ripening much slower now. Peppers have not really begun to turn color yet. I pulled the Tiger Eye bean pods that had dried on the vines and harvested the dried beans – they’re now in glass jars, stored. Apples are turning red and some are already dropping from the trees. And I’m unsure if we will get large ripe Tomatillos this year.

Most of this year’s gathered seeds are now sorted, bagged and filed in my seed storage boxes. I have more tomato seeds fermenting to save for next year.

Last week we had more cool weather and I puttered in the greenhouse every day. I potted up a few of the plants that will be over-wintered indoors and I divided my Ginger and harvested some Ginger root.

Last Monday I was able to sow lettuces, mustards, and beets in the new planters. The seeds began sprouting on Thursday so I have some new green growth to look forward to.

Prepping a few garden areas for some Fall grown Mizuna and other fast-growing greens using Mustard, Beets, and Lettuce seeds. Hurricane put a damper on the weekend, though, so the seed sowing in the garden will wait for this coming week.

I made more sectional dividers for my binders (I make my own with old manila files). Spent some time filing printed materials I’ve gathered up over the past couple of weeks.

Not many food storage purchases, still preserving homegrown foods. I had planned to pressure-can a batch or 2 of dried beans but didn’t know if the low pressure system would have a negative effect on the canning process, so that’s postponed until this week, too.

I purchased some books, though, for Winter reading and those have arrived. Also got some useful toys: an Energizer 3 LED Headlamp and a solar hand-crank emergency flashlight. I’m loving my new headlamp since it brings out the nerd in me. Lol

We recently purchased a small fire extinguisher to add to our stash and then scored 2 free, unused fire extinguishers that were abandoned along with a bunch of junk and garbage. The large ones have already been installed in the goat barn.

Saturday before the weather turned lousy, we finished the gutters on the goat barn. Soffets, fascia, and gutters with spouts are now on — not that the goats care, but their digs are lookin’ good. And we found some oil paint through the Sherwin-Wm. (they found surplus at a few stores) and picked up 3 gallons then had them mixed to our color choice. The best part is 30% off a sale that began today. Score!

Still reloading the .223s and even had a chance to use some earlier in the week. I’m working on some new dog food recipes and so far, two paws up! Woof! Got another free 5 gal food bucket and need to clean it up before using it. Pickle juice doesn’t go well with rice…

Michelle eats and eats and eats – she can’t help herself because she loves good food. She is trying hard to stay fit because she is proud of her toned, thunder-thighs….er, hocks.

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 29, 2011 at 8:30 pm

Michelle is a pig, there is no doubt about it.

Ron August 29, 2011 at 11:24 pm

Note to everyone about Fire Extinguishers. Go with ABC cause they are good for everything.
They do need to be professionally tested every 6 years. Meanwhile check them every 6 months and shake them a bit. Turn upside down, right side up, repeat 12 times. Make sure wasp have not built a nest up the hose nozzle.

LynnS August 30, 2011 at 8:16 am

Ron, Good tips, thank you. Wasps? Yikes! These are the first outside extinguishers for us so we’ll be sure to watch for ‘em.

Ron August 30, 2011 at 8:00 pm

Don’t waste time on 2.5 or 5 lbs unless you can get them free. 10 and 20 lbs are best investment. Don’t cut corners on this vital piece of equipment. Make sure you know how to use them, you only get one chance.

pam s August 29, 2011 at 1:31 pm

plant lady- hope you don’t mind a suggestion but, if your mlw has a specific illness as cancer,ms etc. if you contact the agency for that specific illness such as ” american cancer society” they will furnish some supplies or if you need a certain drug and your mlw as limited insurance the drug company will furnish the prescription for her. you just need to get a doctor’s order. (i was a social worker and had worked for a medical supply company). maybe that will help.

Plant Lady August 30, 2011 at 9:06 am

Pam: Thank you for the kind suggestion! MIL has Alzheimers and the local Alz. Society has been broke for 4.5 years (I keep checking – hehe). Luckily, her Medicare and supplemental insurance will cover the cost of a hospital bed and wheelchair. What caregivers of Alz. patients really need is respite time – but no one but the non-profit Hospice she was on will/can provide that – they would put her in the nursing home for 5 days once every 60 day certification period (and we just lost that). If I could get her awake and moving early in the morn, I could take her over to our local Senior Center that has an Adult Day Care program from 9 am-1:30 pm…but she rarely wakes before 11 am. And she is bipolar and for the first 3.5 years was like our own private terrorist – biting, hitting, throwing things, and her mantra was telling her son (my husband) “You are the biggest disappointment in my life – I wish you had never been born”. She wasn’t even that nice to me (oh my). We still see little flashes of this…just enough to make me very leery about waking her up before she is ready (hehe). I am VERY motivated to find help and have tried everything with the help of various social workers…but haven’t found anything available yet. MIL has just enough money not to qualify for Medicaid so she would qualify for one of the waiver programs to keep her out of a nursing home…but even then they only provide someone to wash her up & dress her and a nurse to visit (on their schedule, not hers)…no respite time. I can handle the caregiving part, I just dream of finding something that would allow me one hour a day so I could go outside and take my dog for a walk and tend my chickens. Two hours a day is a dream…I could do some actual daytime gardening then! And since I am dreaming, a couple “extra” hours once a month to go to the woodcarvers guild or do something just for myself would be really nice.
I am blessed to have a wonderful husband of 31 years that helps when he can, but as a trucker he is gone often. And when he is home there is so much work to do around here that I just can’t get to. My sister (an EMT) is an immense help, I hire her to come over and help a couple hours a week. And I can call her day or night when MIL is having one of her TIAs and she will come right over. I force her to accept pay because this is a long-term deal and her willingness to help is invaluable. But even with my sister over, can’t go anywhere because MIL is rated as a two person transfer, so she can’t get her to the bathroom alone (I am big/strong so I can do it safely). Can’t afford professional help because of that…would have to have two people…and the last time I checked it was going to be $18/hr. for just one person.
If you know anyone caring for an Alzheimers patient, the best thing you could do is give them a break…just an hour, even just occasionally, would be such a blessing for them. Caregiving for Alzheimers is a 24/7/365…and the folks who do this are saving everyone else their share of the $7,000+ a month it would cost to put the patient in a nursing home under Medicaid.

Hunker-Down August 30, 2011 at 12:55 pm

Plant Lady,

You’re a Saint.

Nuttbush54 August 30, 2011 at 8:27 pm

Plant Lady, I know exactly where you are coming from. My father suffered with dementia for the last 7 years of his life and it took my mother, my two siblings, their spouses, the grandchildren, a part time aid, my spouse and myself to take care of him. We struggled to find a way to get care without it bankrupting my parents and finally found a elder law attorney who gave us financial advise. My father forced the issue on a nursing home by falling and breaking a bone. The attorney’s advice earned his cost because he was able to get him qualified for Medicaid for nursing homes. Check online for pro bono legal work for the elderly, contact the county health department too. I am not sure what state you live in but check to see if there is a senior services available who can steer you to help. Is there another hospice service in your area? I was able to find a different hospice provider for my father in law when he was “kicked out” of a hospice facility because he wasn’t sick enough. The new provider accepted him and covered him until his cancer worsened and he went back to the hospice facility.

You probably have already thought of these things, but I was struck by your story, it seemed so familiar. I just wanted to let you know someone understood what you are going through. I wish I could help you more. This is why I walk in the local Memory Walk to raise money for the ALZ foundation, so they can help people.

Copperhead August 30, 2011 at 9:37 pm

PlantLady
I, also, can empathize with you. My hubby had Parkinson’s Dementia for 10 years. I took care of him at home for the first 8. He was never combative, but was still 24/7 for quite awhile. He and I went hand in hand everywhere as he would get lost in the house and everywhere else. It is a load to handle by yourself. Most are ‘too busy’ to lend a hand. I finally had to put him in a special Alzheimer’s/Dementia Center. There seem to be all these agencies, but they never did work out.
I will keep you in my prayers as you travel this rough road. Be sure to keep posting and let us know how it’s going.
Don’t feel bad if your patience runs low at times…it IS normal. Hunker-Down is right–you’re a saint.
Blessings!

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 30, 2011 at 9:39 pm

Plant Lady, have you considered hiring a Fiji woman for a few hours each week? They are usually very good at caring for the elderly, don’t cost as much per hour as a nurse, and are usually pretty big women. You can usually find a phone number for them at your local senior center or from a social worker who specializes in geriatrics.

Good luck with your MIL. You truly are a saint to put up with so much. Sometimes the best thing for an old and demented person is pneumonia. Sorry to say, but it’s true.

Plant Lady August 31, 2011 at 10:59 am

Sorry folks, I am not a saint…not even close! But thank you all the same!!! Did I mention that from a year ago June until this past April I was also caring for my 93-yr. old grandfather? I did have to put him in a nursing home in April…he was so jealous of the time I had to spend with MIL (and even my dog!), and even jealous of all her “visitors” (the Hospice folks) that he was terrorizing MIL and dog and started hitting me. And he is my height – but about 80 lbs. heavier. It about broke my heart, but had to do it before he hurt me or MIL or dog badly. Could handle MIL’s angry outbursts since I am about 6′ and she is under 5′ – and she can’t walk. Even if you love them above all others and they are currently a wonderful person (like my Gramps was until we “took over”), they can and will “go bad” on you.
I really hate to write about this, since it always sounds so whiny. But with bad times just around the corner, everyone should be aware that taking care of your old folks probably isn’t going to be a walk in the park! The mental strain is horrific and can affect your health…to the point that studies have shown caregivers die on average 4 yrs. sooner than non-caregivers. Its bad enough now, but when the SHTF it will be real bad. I am so torn between what MIL needs and everything else that needs to be done, both everyday life and prepping to get self-sufficient as quickly as possible…the stress really wears you down.
This type of Alzheimers runs in my MILs family – her mom had it, an older sister dies of early onset Alz. about 25 yrs. ago, then MIL got it, then her next younger sister got it…and the two youngest sisters are terrified. The younger sister died last fall of pnuemonia, before she got as far gone as MIL…and it was truly a blessing for her and her family. Sadly for my MIL, she is as healthy as a horse except for some transient TIAs (little strokes). It really sets off the guilt/stress when you find yourself praying for death for someone else…even though it would be the kindest thing, because end-stage Alzheimers is as grim as grim gets. Its even worse when she is in a lucid moment and is begging you in tears to help her die since she can’t figure out how to do it…and she is so scared and lost and doesn’t want to live like this any more…but your hands are tied by the law and not wanting to spend the rest of your life in prison. You try to explain that, then your heart is broken into a billion pieces when she says “that is too bad, try harder, because I want to die for you, too, then you won’t have to live like this any more”.
Please don’t treat Alzheimer patients as though they are idiots because they can’t often communicate clearly…they are fully functioning inside, they just can’t get it out most of the time. Don’t talk “down” to them or talk in front of them about things you wouldn’t if they were fully functioning…because they DO know and DO understand a lot of the time…that is what makes this such a HIDEOUS disease.
I am no saint…the saints are those poor parents caring for handicapped children. Theirs is a life-long ordeal knowing they will have to leave their helpless (adult)children to the mercy of others (who most likely don’t give a darn) after they die. Gramps is 93 and MIL is 87…so I am playing a limited term engagement here (hehe).
It is a sad note that in our society that the only available solution for caregivers is to institutionalize their loved ones…that is pitiful.
My prayers to those in a similar situation and those who have gone through it already. And if you are someone who is considering taking in your old folks, start praying for mental strength now, get in great physical shape and start stocking up on eldercare supplies: diapers, rubber pants, plastic mattress covers, suitable beds, wheelchairs, baby monitors/intercoms, portable commodes, etc. Then you will have them on hand for yourself in later years.
So, LP, what are “Fiji” women? Immigrants from Fiji or is it an organization? We don’t get many immigrants here, way out in the woods. We are in the second poorest county in our state with a population of 14,000…which drops to under 6,000 when all the retirees go south in the winter. Retirees with a pension, farmers, truckers, welfare rats or those willing to drive at least 60-120 miles one way to work are about the only ones who can afford to live here…so not much of a draw for “new folks”.

Hunker-Down August 31, 2011 at 1:20 pm

Plant Lady,

You are giving of yourself to others, just as Christ would.
Find a conceptual garbage can to kick, you’re still human. Beat the crap out of it when you get frustrated. Pray for a peaceful death for your loved ones, always remembering that God gives life and it is His alone to take away.

Papabear August 29, 2011 at 3:30 pm

This week has been a real roller coaster. Wish the ride was over.

On the bright side, went to Sam’s club and got a bunch of canned veggies, some canned beans, chicken and tuna. Also picked up some canned butter and some ammo at a gun show.

GA Mom August 29, 2011 at 3:35 pm

Late in posting. Busy but very nice weekend! Whew! I’m still exhausted.

Added a few cans of beef stew & chicken, 10 pounds of black beans & some duct tape to the storage pantry. Made arrangements to have our cabin moved to our retreat property within the next week. Bought a bunch of very large packs of batteries from Sams.

I hope everyone in the way of the floods up in the Northeast is doing well. A root cellar would be in terrible shape in a situation such as this. Keep your preps good & dry!

riverrider August 30, 2011 at 10:15 am

ga mom, beware the sam’s energizer batts. i got a bad batch, they are 2016 dates but die in no time in my radio. duracell lasting 10-12 days, energizer one day. advise take a couple out and test them before you depend on them. just my experience.

MENTALMATT August 29, 2011 at 7:42 pm

Hey a few weeks back and I lost power in a rain storm, so my sump pump did’nt work and my basement flooded. Does anyone have any reccomendations on a back up generator, I’ve put this off for long enough. Oh just in case you missed it crime in the “D” is beyond our control, oh well job security I guess. God Bless

The Prepper August 29, 2011 at 8:12 pm

Did anyone watch preparing for the apocalypse last night? I’m not real sure where they get the people but they definitely get the people who are a bit out there. Wish they would get a down to earth person who who explain why putting back food, growing a garden and storing some extra supplies is a good idea regardless of any future calamities. The future is looking bleaker by the day, but these shows only turn people off to preparedness IMHO.

riverrider August 30, 2011 at 10:10 am

p, i think that is their intention to make us look like fools. if u look at the funding stream, u may find a link to uncle sugar.

Wellrounded August 30, 2011 at 3:52 am

Any of you guys able to take advantage of the masses of people trying to get rid of the emergency supplies they bought for Irene. Just read a news article, so many people trying to off load everything from wine to gas generators…….

Lynda August 30, 2011 at 11:20 am

This doesn’t surprise me. MA people did the same thing right after the horrific ice storm in 2008. Generators that some stores made a special run for because there were so few to be had were returned so people could get their money back. Of course, nothing will ever happen again, right? It’s mind-boggling.

Now people are bitching about not being able to have their morning coffee. Maybe they should buy an old fashioned coffee maker, a camp stove, some propane and with stored water why, they could actually have some coffee! In a well ventilated area of course.

templar knight August 30, 2011 at 4:26 pm

Lynda, there are so many who can’t even boil water without the kitchen stove. Truly, I fear for our country. The number of completely helpless people is shocking.

And Lynda, one of my fondest memories is having to make camp coffee(putting ground coffee into a boiler with water and boiling it for 10 min., then pouring the coffee off the top after the grounds settle) when a windstorm blew our hunting camp away near Douglas, Wyoming one fall. The temp dropped from the low 50s to 19 degrees in just a few hours, and that was the best-tasting coffee I ever had, even if I did have a few grounds stuck in my teeth.

riverrider August 31, 2011 at 6:54 am

tk, a building super i know says you’ld be amazed to see how many renters give him a lost look when he hands them a light bulb to replace a burnt out one. hard to believe, but judging from some of my last troops i can. no useful knowledge what so ever.

Hunker-Down August 31, 2011 at 10:47 am

RR & TK,
Cant boil water? Cant replace a light bulb? Castro and his brother could successfully invade them and they probably wouldn’t care.
There’s no way us preppers can (Gail, correct my grammar?) store enough food for the ignorant masses. Most of us don’t have the storage space or funds to prepare to feed our families after TEOTWAWKI.

Gayle August 31, 2011 at 11:05 am

I am still licking my wounds from last week’s lashing, so I had better not step on anyone’s toes this week. Hamburger. Yum.

Perhaps I take a somewhat different perspective. I don’t see that I have an obligation to prep for anyone beyond my extended family. I will help if I can, but I am not going to feed the masses at the expense of my family (including my pets). I will feed my pets before I feed the hungry masses.

STL Grandma August 31, 2011 at 8:26 am

You know, I was thinking about this just the other day when the talking head on tv said that folks “should have three days worth of food and it’s ok to eat cold canned food for a few days” and I’m thinking to myself – Anyone who eats cold food just because their electricity is out is a blithering idiot and we’d be better off without said fool.. and then I remembered that I was talking about a full 80% or more of our people and then I just got sad. I’m so glad I found this blog and that MD started it in the first place.

Jo (Georgia) August 31, 2011 at 10:58 am

keep in mind they can’t recommend people start fires, so they wont be responsible when the idiots burn their houses down. Or worse yet apartment dwellers burn everyone’s house down.

Lynda August 30, 2011 at 5:31 pm

TK, I am an addict. A coffee addict and I will never go without it no matter how I have to prepare it. My local paper had a story about people lined up in their cars in the next town to find an open coffee shop and waiting in line 30 minutes. In the meantime, the people two towns over are complaining that National Grid, our power company, hasn’t responded quickly enough. There are thousands of people without power.

We have ours but could have survived quite nicely without it. What I find disturbing is that Vermonters have had to have food and water airlifted to them because their towns were cut off by floods. Apparently not that many had enough in the way of supplies to last them more than a few days.

People need to start paying attention and realize that we are not immune to disasters, whether natural or man-made. I find it frightening that they don’t and it’s a heads up for me to be less forthcoming about my own preps. Amazing how helpless people are.

Gayle August 30, 2011 at 6:07 pm

Amen. We should never put ourselves in a position where we wouldn’t have coffee for the morning. I have three backup plans to ensure hot coffee. The first is the regular coffee making using the generator, the second is the french press using water heated on the gas stove, third is the french press using water heated on the propane camping stove, and even if the french press broke, I could put a coffee filter in a strainer and pour boiling water though it.

Coffee is a necessity, for without it there is no humanity.

Lynda August 31, 2011 at 4:18 am

Let’s just say I wouldn’t be human without it, as well my family knows.

Ron September 2, 2011 at 11:35 pm

The smell of fresh brewed coffee could be an OPSEC violation. Now I do not know about you but I really hate goblins before breakfast.
Last time I went to war I found Tasters Choice and hot water in my canteen cup worked very well and did not attract attention.
IF time or conditions do not permit, Just a pinch between teeth and gum…

Lint Picker (Northern California) August 30, 2011 at 9:47 pm

Yeah, I was totally surprised to learn that people in Vermont, of all places, were running out of food and water so quickly and had to have some flown in. However, I wonder how many were in that situation? Sometimes the news media and/or the govt tend to exaggerate things in order to make them seem widespread in order to justify the expense.

I see more and more mention of prepping, even showing up on MSM sources and in govt PSA advertisements. Maybe they know something we don’t? Maybe gearing up for 9/11′s anniversary? Whatever the reason, more people are getting the message but not necessarily heeding it.

Lynda August 31, 2011 at 4:20 am

It was National Grid that flew helicopters in and there were about 5 towns cut off according to news reports. The flooding was unexpected and severe.
It’s that unexpected part…..always be ready for it.

riverrider August 31, 2011 at 6:50 am

lint, i agree somethings up. look at the billions we’ve spent on the space station, even giving away tecnology to the russians/chinese fortheir help in getting it up faster. also i think they realize they can’t afford to take care of everybody. there has to be some personal responsibility…..agree on doubting vermonters need the supplies already too. we took truckloads of stuff to sw va ,only to watch it sit in the lot for weeks and reload it back to the warehouse.

Copperhead August 30, 2011 at 6:08 pm

Lynda,
I am amazed also about the lack of preparation that people do in my area, too. There is not a soul I can talk to about any of this except my DD and SIL. They are onboard with me, but not SIL’s parents, so we are getting extra to help them WTSHTF. Most everyone walks around thinking “it won’t happen in the USA”. Dummiess!!! Better know I am keeping quiet and will have a few ‘extras’ to share but refuse to support people with their heads in the sand.

Lynda August 31, 2011 at 4:23 am

Copperhead, the comments are coming fast and furious in my local on-line paper and the town officials a few towns over are threatening to call a state representative. National Grid is doing the very best they can considering how many are/were without power.
One poster had it right when he said “So much for hearty New Englanders.”

Worrisome August 30, 2011 at 10:35 pm

Just had a crazy thought based upon the experiences of a friend who does missions to small towns in Mexico? They go down there and build small houses, bring food, improve community wells, set up community showers and such. They also bring along a barber who shaves all the men’s hair and shampoos and uses a lice shampoo to rid the women of lice. When you are hunting and butchering animals and birds, lice are an issue. So it will be off to the store this week end to buy some of that lice shampoo stuff for my preps. Hope I never need it, the idea gives me the creeps, but from what my friend says, it is pretty common where folks are living very close to the land and have little in the way of facilities…………My friend have used their missions as experience to prep in very common sense ways. Doing some good for others and learning essential skills themselves. Where they live, Mexico is the closest place that needs help…………….He says that if they could find places in the US to do the same they would rather, especially this last year or so where the drug cartels are making so many inroads.

LynnS August 31, 2011 at 10:30 am

Worrisome, Consider food-grade Diatomaceous Earth instead of chemicals that will have expiration dates. It is quite safe, biological, and used on animals. DE can be used on humans too. DE will kill lice, fleas, mites, and other tiny insects. It is used to de-worm animals, too. When using, wear a mask so that you don’t breathe in any of the particles. It is completely “safe” and non-toxic but a life-threatening irritant to small bugs. Just search the product and read up on it. DE doesn’t have an expiration date that I’m aware of, either. I used it on my goats this summer when I noticed some itching and figured they might have mites. The DE was simply sprinkled along their backs and tail areas, rubbed in gently, and applied the DE several times for a week, then once every other week for about a month. The itching ended within a day and mites disappeared. I used the DE for about a month to make sure I got any newborn mites from egg cases, just in case. Hope this helps.

Jo (Georgia) August 31, 2011 at 10:56 am

Thanks Worrisome I hadn’t though about that aspect!, Lynn, do you have a trusted vendor you use? I did an internet search and it seems there is a wide variety of content quantities among vendors. I’d like to make sure I get one that works. I’m also very excited that I’ve read it can control bugs that get into my worm bin with out hurting the worm. Seems like a very useful thing to have around.

Worrisome August 31, 2011 at 11:41 pm

Of course it helps……….I am with Jo tho, do you know a vendor?

LynnS September 1, 2011 at 10:43 am

Jo & Worrisome, I’ve been buying organic food-grade DE through Southern States. I’ll check the brand next time I head over there. We store the DE in a trash can and don’t have the label.

I did a search and you’re right — there were plenty of places to buy DE but as with mail order, there would be postage. Might be best to shop locally, just be sure you are getting food-grade and if you want organic, look for the organic label.

FWIW, the gal who works at Southern States ingests some DE, claiming it lowers cholesterol. Don’t know about that but she’s not alone.

Interesting that DE can control bugs in worm bins — I tend to get the pesky fruit flies in the summer. But they’re everywhere. I’ll read up on the effects in a worm bin. Thanks!

We’ve been using Frontline for flea control with our dog and I’m going to switch over to a DE treatment to get off the Frontline chemical “treatment.” We will apply about the same rate and in the summer months, once a week. Incidently, we made the powder shaker with a plastic jar and lid, drilling holes in the lid. Works great.

LynnS September 1, 2011 at 7:57 pm

Jo & Worrisome, I left a second comment but it didn’t get posted. I called Southern States and asked the brand name: St. Gabriel Organics. The package is 4.4 pounds and sells retail for $9.95. I checked online and found their website: http://www.stgl.us/

Hope this helps!

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