What did you do to prep this week?



First of all I would like to thank William G, Nesia L and Hugo S for their generous donations this week via PayPal. Thank you your support of this blog and the Wolf Pack is very much appreciated.

As you may have noted after reading yesterdays post, we’ve added several great prizes in our current non-fiction writing contest, I had to pull a few strings and twist a few arms, but now instead of having a good contest we have a great one.

Now get busy writing - someone is going to win (actually three people) and it might as well be you…

Okay, let’s see what did I do to prep this week…

  • Hauled two pickup loads of a composted mix of chicken, horse and cow manure and scattered it over my new garden area.
  • Bought a 500 round brick of Winchester .22 ammo at the local Wal-Mart.
  • Ordered a “25 Chick Special” of New Hampshire Reds these will arrive next spring :-D .
  • Read this article, this one and this one.

That’s the highlights of my week, now it’s your turn – what did you do to prep this week ?:-)

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  1. The Prepper says:

    The black Friday videos absolutely disgust me. Can you imagine what these same people will do when the dollar collapses and they don’t have food, water or the ability to buy crap at Chinamart?

    My girl always asks me why I don’t get into the holidays like everyone else. Thanksgiving is about giving thanks to god for everything he has provided you, and Christmas is about celebrating the birth of our lord and savior Jesus Christ. I can’t find any references to Santa or presents in the bible.

    If folks would just step back and enjoy the little things in life (a good deal, walk in the woods, etc.) and save their money I think the world would be a better place to live. That’s my rant for today. :)

    • The Prepper says:

      That should say “a good meal”. A good deal is also nice, assuming it’s something you actually need to survive. ;)

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      ThePrepper, amen. I agree with you.

    • SrvivlSally says:

      M.D., sounds like you are doing just fine with your new land and, speaking for everyone here, we would love to see some pics when you get done. It is such a pretty piece and it would be awesome to see the work you have put into it and how you have laid out everything. I found an older 60s style pickup and should be taking it home tomorrow. It was just what I was looking for. Easy to work on, no electronics, sound engine and transmission and the right vehicle for the new land as there will be fire wood to haul around, concrete blocks, lumber, water, etc. I was thinking of building and waterproofing a wooden box for up against the cab and putting a few padlocks on it for when I go shopping because trying to use the floorboard to transport things, which may get too hot as some of the older trucks are known to do, things could be ruined from the heat. There is one business in town that can get any of the parts that I need as my local Wal Mart does not carry them so I will not have far to go when I need something. It is a little high off the ground so I will be shopping around for, or building, side steps for ease of entry and exit.

      • SrvivlSally says:

        Oops! I must have hit the wrong button for commenting. Dag nab it!! Well, I guess I better add a few words in response to you, The Prepper, since my comment wound up here…Thank you for your rant. Ditto.

      • SrvivlSally,

        I’ll see what I can do – look for pics in next weekd what did you do to prep this week.

  2. sistaprepper says:

    Howdy all!

    Another productive week. My chicks arrived and I have more on order for different delivery dates. I ordered an incubator mostly for fun. The chicken coop is complete and the run is 99% complete. Obtained a livestock guardian dog for free. Bought 6 turkeys on sale for cheap. Hit Rural King’s black friday sale and scored 6000 rounds of 22lr for 2.8 cents per round. Bought several pieces of cast iron at 20% off. Bought a food saver that also runs on a car plug for 20% off. Bought a food dehydrator for 50% off. Won 3500 rounds of 12 ga, 20 ga and .410 ammo at an auction for next to nothing! Today going to can a bushel of apples, dice, slice, and can a whole ham, then take a well needed nap! Happy Holidays everyone!

    • Sista!! Sounds like you had some good finds. Your shotgun ammo reminded me of my brothers friend went to the store and bought a massive amount of 20 gauge ammo.When he got it home he found out that he bought 20 gauge and not the 12 gauge that he needs. In California ammo is non refundable from the retailer. He may sell it cheap or get a 20 gauge I do not know what he will do.

  3. The Prepper says:

    Not much in the way of preps the past few weeks (picked up a reliable Fenix flash light that runs of AA batteries). I’ve been spending all of my spare time looking at property, and trying to find something a couple of hours outside of the city. I’ve seen some nice very reasonably priced properties with mobile homes, though I’m concerned that a mobile home won’t provide adequate security and insulation and will be a major problem if a big storm comes through. Anyone have any thoughts on what you need to do to make a mobile home resilient from a security, livability and energy efficiency perspective?

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      MD is moving into a mobile home on his new property. Perhaps he’ll tell us all how he’s prepped it for security, liveability, and energy efficiency. Or maybe all of that is already covered in his book from Paladin Press – The Dirt Cheap Survival Retreat?

      • The Prepper says:

        Lint — good point. MD — do you have any thoughts on the issues I mentioned above? Curious how you are handling them.

        - TP

        • Insulation is also dependant on how old the trailer is and for what climate zone it was built for.

    • The Prepper,

      Live in the mobile home while you save up for/build a cabin.

    • I’m not sure what part of the country you live in so I don’t know how it would work out for you, but our plans are to retrofit ours once we move it to property with straw bales. If you live in a low humidity area they are really good for insulation and are very bullet resistant. If you are in a high humidity area you might be better off to use earth bags. I swear I’m not the hippy type but I’ve done a lot of research and these are both really good, inexpensive methods. Actually, I just did a presentation on this for one of my classes, so maybe I’ll try to type out the whole speech and submit it to MD so you can get a better idea of the benefits.

  4. this was a slow prep week but, blackie gets to come home next week!
    d.h. and i had to put up a new fence in the gardern. deer got in a had eaten most of the collards. (yea! less to have to can).
    this week i’ll have to get the tractor and riding lawnmower winterized and put up in the barn until next spring.
    i hope everyone had a great thanksgiving and to all having to travel take care.

    • Hooray that Blackie is coming home!

      • nuttbush. i’m am sooo glad. (i’ll probably have to get a job washing window to pay the vet bill) i’m looking at several grand but, she’s worth it.

      • I hope you find the bastard that did it.

        For Blackie – here’s a good attorney:

        Gentlemen of the jury: The best friend a man has in this world may turn against him and become his enemy. His son or daughter that he has reared with loving care may prove ungrateful. Those who are nearest and dearest to us, those whom we trust with our happiness and our good name, may become traitors to their faith. The money that a man has, he may lose. It flies away from him, perhaps when he needs it the most. A man’s reputation may be sacrificed in a moment of ill-considered action. The people who are prone to fall on their knees to do us honor when success is with us may be the first to throw the stone of malice when failure settles its cloud upon our heads. The one absolutely unselfish friend that a man can have in this selfish world, the one that never deserts him and the one that never proves ungrateful or treacherous is his dog.

        Gentlemen of the jury: A man’s dog stands by him in prosperity and in poverty, in health and in sickness. He will sleep on the cold ground, where the wintry winds blow and the snow drives fiercely, if only he may be near his master’s side. He will kiss the hand that has no food to offer, he will lick the wounds and sores that come in encounters with the roughness of the world. He guards the sleep of his pauper master as if he were a prince. When all other friends desert, he remains. When riches take wings and reputation falls to pieces, he is as constant in his love as the sun in its journey through the heavens.

        If fortune drives the master forth an outcast in the world, friendless and homeless, the faithful dog asks no higher privilege than that of accompanying him to guard against danger, to fight against his enemies, and when the last scene of all comes, and death takes the master in its embrace and his body is laid away in the cold ground, no matter if all other friends pursue their way, there by his graveside will the noble dog be found, his head between his paws, his eyes sad but open in alert watchfulness, faithful and true even to death.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Graham_Vest

    • I am so happy for you that Blackie is going home.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      pam s, it’s good to know your pup is going to be reunited with you soon. As far as keeping the deer out of your collard patch, wouldn’t some venison taste good? When’s deer season in your area?

    • Pam,

      Great news about Blackie. He pulled through because he knows he has such a loving home.

      • thanks gayle, hopefully we won’t have to go through this again. i’ve hung more “no tresspassing signs up”. we will see.

    • pam s,
      The Good Lord looks out for good dogs too. Glad to hear you’re getting a member of your family back.

      • mexneck- thank you and everyone for thinking and saying a prayer for blackie. oneday i hope i can repay with my prayers and thoughts.

        • we have a chocolate lab pup named bronco.He is brown.We have a chocolate springer that is black.So we have a chocolate and dark chocolate dog.

    • Nor Cal Ray says:

      pam s
      glad to hear Blackie gets to come back home. Hopefully there will be no more problems for him or you.
      Ray

    • pam s, thanks for the update…that is one tough dog.

    • The Other Ellen says:

      It is wonderful that Blackie gets to come home soon! What a great Thanksgiving gift!!

    • Pam. I hope blackie heals up real well.I love my dogs and I would hate to have someone shoot one of my dogs for any reason.

    • thank God, he is coming home

      • thank you to everyone on behalf of myself and blackie. like i said before, someday i hope my prayers will help you.

        • templar knight says:

          It’s great to hear that blackie’s doing better, pam. I’m sure it will be a long road, but blackie seems to be one tuff gal. Like her master!

    • Copperhead says:

      My guess is she will improve a lot just because she will be back with her loved ones and they will be taking care of her! Glad she is coming home, pam s.

    • Thanks for the update on Blackie and I can imagine that you are counting the days till she comes home.

  5. hi all, not much prepping this week, but the part finally arrived for my chimney. by this evening we will have wood heat, YAY!! ordered an ar15 22lr conversion, a bipod for the fifty, 350 9mm jhp’s, 500 45 acp, and 50 38 jhp’s. oh yeah, made a sams run. stocked up on soups, dog food n such. hit northern for a bunch of tarps for the woodpile, an extra solar controller on clearance, and misc. other clearance items. guess it was a good prep week after all. it really helps to see it on “paper” here. on a side note, the wolfpack saved me from making a costly mistake. your comments stirred more research into the silver market and i found that the company i intended to do business with was a sorry dealer. they were padding their online reviews with employees to cover their lousy one star rating. thanks!! i hope everybody survived black friday. i’m surprised somebody hasn’t complained about that name yet. take care, pac.

    • riverrider…..
      You often discuss guns/ammo in your posts. Without getting to far off the spirit of WDYDTPTW…..just wondering if you might know of a source of info for ID’ing headstamps on cartridges? I have a good line on some really inexpensive .308 that is “alledgedly” brass and “good” ammo but I fear it’s just too good to be true (and therefore probably is). Would hate to rund junk through my M1A so would sure like to be able to ID it!

      • hawkeye, i run about anything thru my fal’s ,but thats the way it is with them. i don’t know a whole lot about the headstamps except like LC for lake city, a plus sign in a circle means NATO military supposedly. have you tried a magnet on it? you’ll know for sure then. what does it have on the headstamp? i’ll see what i can find if you want.

        • riverrider….
          I haven’t seen the ammo yet…just wanted to be prepared for when I do. I’m familiar with both the NATO and LC headstamps. I could certainly tolerate either of those. I have two M1As-one a brand new Springfield and the other a custom build from SEI with a brand new “Crazy Horse”-1/10 barrel. Maybe I won’t be so “finnicky” after I get some rounds through them. Until then, just being ultra cautious!

          • riverrider….
            Maybe I’ll buy this ammo just because it’s so inexpensive. I’ve got a CETME and an L1A1 that I’m not so protective of. Heck-at $.22 per round I might buy it anyway…barter material if nothing else.

      • Cliff in Douglasville says:

        Hawkeye,
        Are you really willing to be your life on inexpensive ammo just to save a few bucks? Earlier in life I was shooting up some ammo my Dad had left over from the 40′s in my bolt action .22. It was going fine, bang, bang, bip and I almost went bang again but nagging doubt got me to unload the rifle and find that just the primer went off in that last shot and the bullet was wedged half way down the barrel. If I had fired again it might not have been pretty. On the weekend before Thanksgiving I was out shooting with my nephew and family. He had some old .38 that his dad had for a long time. He was shooting a 6 shot with 6 inch barrel that he had just traded for. The first 5 rounds went off with out a hitch. The 6ths shot was a bip. The bullet ended up sticking about 1/4 inch past the end of the barrel and it was wedged in tight. Needless to say the removal included washers to protect the barrel end, a small drill bit and a screw then application of screw drivers and pliers. That thing was in there solid. Now it’s free, no damage to the gun and he’s gotten rid of the old ammo.
        Another story, if you can stand it. My dad traded for some .38 ammo back in the mid 60′s (he was trying to get ammo for his 8mm Japanese Nambu pistol but ended up with this stuff as part of the trade). It was all reloads with everything from hollow points to wad cutters. They were loaded from target levels of powder up to full loads. I fired most of them off but after a bit I started to flinch not knowing what to expect.
        Bottom line, new ammo is cheap enough that you don’t have to go and settle for old inexpensive ammo. You face potential damage to your rifle and injury to your self.

        • Cliff In Douglasville….
          No, I’m not….but there can be many reasons for ammo being inexpensive-dangerous being just one of them. That was the purpose of my post; I was inquiring as to info on headstamps which might have helped in identifying it.

    • templar knight says:

      Hahaha…rr, you’re a prepping beast, and don’t even know it. Where did you get your ammo? My BIL told me his brother got him 500 rds. of 5.56 for $99, but he doesn’t know where. It’s the story of my life! lol

      • tk, underwood ammo. great stuff cheap.shipping wasn’t too bad either. cdnn sports has 9.99 shipping on any amount too. they have pretty good deals on 9mm and 40cal. your bilb must have bought wolf brand 223, aka wpa. it runs 99 to 105 for 500. shoots good for me so far but steel cases, supposed to wear your gun more. i haven’t shot enough to tell…. prepping beast? lol, no, i’m just so far behind the 8 ball that i feel i have to scuffle to catch up. you, lynn, ohio prepper, md, and a couple others are my inspiration. thank you.

    • A scumbag body shop in my area does that. They use employees to do customer testamonials on there commercials funny yhing tough is there employees are not employees but indapendant contractors.

  6. I harvested the last of my hot peppers, canned them with cucs for pickles. Made some more tinctures: cayenne pepper, and cranberry! I will probably have to dream up a health reason for the cranberry, but I bet it will taste good. Finished up the kid’s EDC bags (for Christmas presents). Bought some more 30-30 and 308 ammo at Wally World (why is their ammo the cheapest?), and replanted by earth boxes with garlic (regular and elephant – from Krogers), dill, and lettuces. And [drum roll please] celebrated my 30 wedding anniversary!

  7. M.D. just thinking what is the smallest and largest donation you have received? I would like to donate and would like to donate more than the largest amount. I like being number one!

  8. Patriot Farmer says:

    I spent several days at the range sighting in my AR 10 and running through firing and transition drills. I also picked up an M&P 9mm for my son and a 20ga 870 for his fiance for Christmas. I also got a sweet deal on a Remington Model 7 in .243 for my daughter.

    • I like the 243 round.My sons gf has a titka in 243 and the bullet really screams out of that barrel

  9. The Prepper says:

    MD — have you given any more thought to your survival summit / training event? I’m hoping you consider having it in the spring. I’ll definitely wander up to attend with my girl.

  10. Hunker-Down says:

    M.D. thanks for the heads up on the first article you mentioned; “Senate to Vote on Legislation That Allows U.S. Military to Detain Citizens Without Charge or Trial.” In the article it says that the White House has threatened to veto the bill. I think they are lying. Wouldn’t this bill be the perfect way to entrap the military to become a tool to prevent the next election?
    Article 2 that you referenced is a preview of our neighborhood grocery store the same day the trucks stop running.
    Article three; An EMP attack would stop the grocery supply trucks before they ran out of gas. Are gas pump motors protected from EMP via their fire retention safeguards?

    When there is too much month left at the end of the money, prepping suffers.
    We bought a jar of Vaseline, a box of Benadryl, a pint of pure Vanilla extract and a box of Imodium for our storage.

    We found a blue speckled enamelware 24 quart pot and lid at Goodwill for $8. It was coated with lime and hard water stains; an overnight soak in an inch of diluted vinegar, a quick wipe and it looked new.

    I missed the Glen Beck segment about Ann Barnhardt folks talked about last week, and sent GBTV an email request asking how to scan their material for a particular topic. The answer I got said, they were technical service and could not answer my request. They did not bother to direct me to another email address, just sent the ‘bug off’ response. If we were in normal times I would drop my subscription, but GB seems to be the only face on TV not indirectly owned by the Federal Reserve. Does anyone know how to do a search for a topic or person at GBTV?

    • riverrider says:

      hd, her article is all over the web, just google it. and emp won’t stop the trucks, or cars for that matter. it will kill the grid for months,maybe years.

      • Hunker-Down says:

        If the grid is down, how will gas stations without a generator pump gas and keep the trucks running?

        • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

          Many trucking firms have their own fuel pumps and generators. What could cause the trucks lots of delivery problems are the traffic signals going out all at once. That would create a temporary problem, but the biggest traffic jam in history.

          • Hunker-Down says:

            Gayle,

            I’m asking for a method to search the content of prior days shows on GBTV for a specific topic or person.
            For example, if gunz were mentioned on the 10AM show last Monday, after entering ‘gunz’ as a search argument, I would like to be told to go watch the 10AM Monday show.

        • HD, even bigger question is how will the gas stations get refilled. The truck racks (place where tanker trucks get filled) in this area don’t have a backup generator and the same is probably true in all other areas. Then there are the pipelines that move the product from the refineries to the truck racks. They depend on electric pumps. A few refineries produce electricity but it is uncommon for them to produce all that they need. Their generating systems will get blown out with an EMP as well.

    • Hunker-Down,

      I am not sure what you are asking. If you can clarify your question I can probably give you an answer–I did investigative reporting back when I worked at the paper. If you just want information on Person X who is affiliated with GBTV, then do a Google search for “Person X” and “GBTV”. If there’s anything on the web, that will bring it up. You want to use quotation marks–that will get you the specific information you are looking for.

      • If you want to search just one web site, you can use the “site” feature in Google, I think this works in Yahoo and Bing too.
        To search for wheat on MD’s site use
        wheat site:www.thesurvivalistblog.net
        Note no space between the site, colon and website. This only searches the specific site you name, tom.example.com and harry.example.com are two different sites and would need to be searched separately. I don’t think searching example.com would also search tom and harry, but it might, try it out.

    • Vienna (Soggy prepper) says:

      I don’t think she was speaking with Beck. Just news on The Blaze about her closing her firm.

      Ann was on with Andrea Shea King and spoke quite awhile which was very enlightening for me as I sorely lack in the financial understanding aspect of America’s decline.

      • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

        I got the impression from Ann’s interview with Andrea that the entire US financial system is corrupt and broken. That would include the enquities (stock) market, bond market, futures markets, banking, etc.

        Inflation is just starting, wait until it gets pushed into overdrive thanks to QE3 and our IMF obligation of 25% for the EU bailout.

        We’re screwed.

        • I sure wish we could get Ron Paul into office. He would tell those folks where to go.

        • Hunker-Down says:

          Lint Picker,

          Welcome back, missed you AND you missed several pi$$ing contests. It’s too cold to work outside, I got bored and participated in one.
          How is your recovery coming?

    • robert in mid michigan says:

      from everything i have heard the emp attack would take out the electronics of modern vehicles and they would stop where they are. i may be wrong on this and i really do not do a lot of research on it but was told a long time ago you want the old cars with point ignition systems and non fuel injected, if this is wrong would love to hear it.

      just dont tell the wife i still want a 69 mustang

      • rimm, when i was in the military and again in college, we tested various vehicles for emp. only a couple of them shut off, momentarily, and the rest went right on running. emp effects are minimal except on things like the power grid, the wires being in effect a large gathering antenae. planes won’t fall, cars won’t stop for long if at all, your battery radio will work. anything on the grid will fry tho, everything. transformers,gens, wires maybe, and it’ll take months/years to rebuild IF we can get the parts/material. almost all transformers are built overseas as is 90% of the wire and gens. and what the doomers that tout the destruction of emp forget is…true emp means a NUCLEAR attack. we will have even bigger problems than cars not running, much bigger. hope you still get that ‘stang tho:)

        • My mom had a 67 stang. it was a nice car she has a 07 stang now. In some respects they are the same car. my moms 67 was a grandma car with a 6 and a 3 speed stick. her 07 is a v6 with an auto.Not every mustang or camaro or charger is a go fast musclecar.

          • robert in mid michigan says:

            they are to me lol, i keep saying when the kids move out ill finally get it but i might be a grandfather soon and well i can see the stang being pushed back a little farther again.

            • I’ve had 5 Mustangs of different model years. Greatest car ever built, IMO. The ’66 Fastback sitting in my garage is my baby….

  11. I have a lot to report. I drove up to Georgia to spend time with my family for Thanksgiving. I learned that my older brother is a prepper–though he prefers to call it “being self-sufficient.” He let me handle his Glock 9 mm. This is a fine weapon. It just felt right in my hands. My Beretta .22 is just too small for my hands and too light to hold still–there’s just not enough to it to wield accurately. (I sure hope this makes sense. LOL)

    I also learned that my granny packed a Derringer .44 in her purse. My dad has it out in the garage. I just love holidays. You get to learn so much about your family. My husband just looked at me and said, “You don’t need a .44.”

    My older brother built a rain collection irrigation system. He has several 60 gallon rain barrels that are connected with drip irrigation hoses. When SHTF he will have an excellent setup for watering the garden. He has cleared two acres of his property for the garden. He is already planning on everyone coming to live at his place in a SHTF scenario.

    On to food . . . My mom took my sister and I to the commissary. I got 10 boxes of instant mashed potatoes, four bottles of BQ sauce and 2 large canisters of oatmeal, and a huge box of individually wrapped chips.

    I ordered 4 cases of oatmeal through the LDS online store. I am thinking of ordering some blueberry pancake mix. But that will have to wait until after Christmas. I am broke. But my Christmas shopping is done.

    I am thinking of writing a post on Black Friday bad behavior and relating that to what folks will be like when SHTF. I imagine there’s research out there on the breakdown of social order. There was a story in the paper today about a woman who pepper sprayed the crowd to get to the front of the line while shopping.

    Last but not least, I received my prize from the last writing contest. Wow. There’s a lot of stuff in there. Thank you M.D. for keeping this site up and running, and for running the writing contests.

    Question: How much should I expect to pay for a Glock 9 mm? I am really wanting one now. And given that that’s my brother’s weapon of choice, we wouldn’t have to stock a number of different kinds of ammo.

    • Gayle,
      If you buy a Glock 9mm, I suggest you get the model 19 instead of the model 17. Both are great but the 19 is a little smaller, lighter and easier to carry. As for cost expect to pay $525 – $575 for a new one and around $425 used depending where you buy.

      • The Prepper says:

        If you join the GSSF (Glock Shooting Foundation) for $25 you can buy one Glock a year for the price law enforcement pays (I got my G19 for $399 a few months back). You can’t beat that price for a brand spanking new Glock!

        • Gayle, I agree over the Glock and definitely like the 19. The first one I shot was the 19 and even though the 26 is the one I have now, the 19 seems to have less recoil on me. My DH belongs to the Glock Shooting Foundation and it made a big difference in cost.

        • Texas Nana says:

          Thanks for the GSSF info!!

    • I recommend using an online auction site that deals specifically with firearms. I use Action Arms and Gun Broker. Last week I was looking at Glocks and found a number of them that went for under $300. These are not the current models (I personally dislike the Gen 4′s, but they do have adjustable back straps for different sized hands).
      I concur with M.D.’s advise of going with the Glock 19. The differences are:
      Gen 2: No rail attachment under the frame for a light, etc.
      Gen 3: Rail attachment and finger grooves (all previous models internal parts are interchangeable)
      Gen 3 RF: Like a Gen 3 except it has a VERY rough finish to the grip (hard on tender hands)
      Gen 4: Adds interchangeable grip panels and a rougher texture to the grip. Multiple changes to the internals means that 22 LR conversion kits for Gen 2&3 won’t fit. Plus parts may get hard to come by in a future with limited resupply (there are 10′s of thousands of Gen 2 and 3′s out there).
      Whatever version you get consider changing the Slide Lock Lever to and extended one (http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=1106&TERM=slide). You wouldn’t think 1.5mm would make that much difference!
      Another thing to consider in buying used is the savings can go toward a 22 lr conversion kit. Cheaper trigger time at the range.

      Hope this helps.

    • riverrider says:

      gayle, be careful to keep an open mind/ear when listening to the media. i heard the lady was just protecting her kids because a shoving match had already started. additionally, the grandfather that got slammed was first called a shoplifter. turns out he tucked the game in his waistband to grab his grandson out of the way of another shoving match. just saying be careful that you’re getting the whole story. for my money, i don’t do blackfriday and sure as heck wouldn’t take a kid.

      • Chonte' in MD says:

        the woman wasn’t with any children. she was alone. she turned herself in today. the is video footage of the incident and the police say that it does not look like self defense.

        • c, ten four, this makes my point, be careful what we believe of what we hear. one report said she had 3 kids w/ her. darn media…

          • Chonte' in MD says:

            anything to sell a story!

          • RR,

            I am not sure you can blame the media on this one–they were probably reporting on information provided by eye witnesses. And eye witness testimony is some of the weakest testimony. I would chock this one up to bystanders being completely unaware of their surroundings, and thus giving conflicting reports to police and reporters.

            • riverrider says:

              gayle, absolutely right. however, doesn’t the media have an obligation to verify and report FACTS? my sister is a journalist/reporter. she must verify each and every fact/testimony AND present opposing viewpoints if they can be found. i wish the rest of “the media” were held to the same standards.

            • RR,

              True. But like every other business, papers are so understaffed right now that reporters are asked to do double duty. The attitude has become, “Hey, this is just lining the bird cage a day from now.” Americans are willing to lower their expectations of quality in exchange for the product remaining the same price.

              Since most of the papers in this country are owned by a few mega corporations like the NY Times, papers are all about profit and not about providing quality news to local subscribers.

    • templar knight says:

      Gayle, we got the crap beat out of us! Oh, well, SEC for Nat’l Champs!

      And the Glock 19 is my favorite 9mm in the Glock lineup. Heck, it’s my fav 9mm of them all, and I have one. I honestly don’t think you can beat them. One of my sons has a Springfield XD in 9mm, and it’s pretty good, too. He says it fits his hand better than the Glock. I think he just wants to be obtuse! LOL.

      • “One of my sons has a Springfield XD in 9mm, and it’s pretty good, too. He says it fits his hand better than the Glock.”

        I’m with your son the Springfield XD also fits my hand better than the Glock, but as for accuracy, reliability and durability, I think they are both equal.

      • TK,

        Yep. And I suspect that Alabama would have done the same thing. I would like to see a rematch between LSU and Alabama for the National Championship.

    • Cliff in Douglasville says:

      Gayle,
      There is a local web site that services Georgia and Florida and is a place where people buy, sell and swap guns, on a face to face basis, no paperwork and you can always pick a safe place to meet like the parking lot of the police station. They have handguns, rifles, shotguns and a lot of other stuff. I used it to trade off a Ruger .44 magnum super blackhawk with 7 1/2 inch barrel for 3 1/10 ounce US gold coins.
      The web site is http://www.theoutdoortrader.com If MD doesn’t want to show the website, shoot me an email though him and I’ll send you the link. Also, all the posters are rated by other posters on honesty and ease of doing deals and stuff. I’m pretty comfortable using it but it can be almost as addictive as this is.

      • Cliff in Douglasville:
        Not sure when you made the trade but I think you got the better deal. ‘Course everything is relative. Most of the gold I bought was in 1/0th oz and @ $100-125/coin.
        Wish we had something like this up here.

        • Cliff in Douglasville says:

          JP in MT,
          It was a fair trade. The 44 was new in box and I could have taken it back to the store and gotten my $600 back. I figured the 1/10 at 161.19 melt that day plus right at a $40 premium (about $191 per coin) each so I figure I traded for about $573 in gold and I was happy with that. The US 1/10 ounce gold coins carry the largest premiums but are also the easiest to use in trade since it is also the smallest of the gold coins.

          • Cliff in Douglasville:
            That’s why my local dealer knows what I’m looking for and usually takes his profit at the time he buys them and knows I’ll be there within the hour so he gets his money quick. Lately nobody locally is letting go of any. I think that will change after the first of the year.

    • Thank you. I love being able to ask a question and have half a dozen people give solid answers. I will check out the Glock 19.

    • 9mm – Phffft!

      9mm = .45 caliber on stun

      Get a real pistol
      Ruger redhawk .45 long colt – 4inch barrel

      http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-Redhawk45.htm

      if you gotta go with a automatic – go .45 / 10mm
      colt .45 ACP (1911 or commander)
      Glock 29

      • LurkerBob,

        I have to disagree with you (again) most people shoot a 9mm better and are better off owning a 9mm than a larger caliber. A .45 ACP or any other big bore handgun cartridge isn’t a guaranteed “one shot” stop. Shot placement is much more important than caliber.

        My advice is to get something you can shoot well and load it with good ammo and don’t worry about all of the stopping power nonsense. Both of my carry guns are currently chambered in 9mm (loaded with 115gr. CorBon + P) and I don’t feel under gunned or at a disadvantage.

        • MD, LurkerBob……

          I’ve got a nice Springfield 1911; had it for years but haven’t fired it in years. Something about the frequency or decibles of that thing that it’s absolutely painful to fire it. I know…. you can/should wear earplugs and I do in a planned shoot-at the range for instance. But the rest of the time…well I can’t wear earplugs around all the time. And without them, if the 1911 was needed, I know I would hesitate just knowing what was coming. I was around airplanes for years and perhaps have some hearing damage to the extent the .45 just “gets to me”? Thirty ought six and other big rounds…no problem; perhaps it’s the distance of the muzzle from the ear? Who knows? But the “nine” is my round and it would take a good man to “shrug it off” if he took one to the middle of the chest?

          • Hawkeye,
            When in a pinch we use a lesson from the Russian military. They do not issue any form of hearing protection to their soldiers. Instead they teach them to shoot with their mouth open. That opens the Eustachian tube that connects your inner ear to your throat. It helps to minimize hearing impact, and minimize damage. It also helps when you are wearing hearing protection.

      • templar knight says:

        LurkerBob, I’m a big bore fan myself, and have a S&W M-629 in .44mag and 4 .45 autos. But there is a place for the 9mm. My wife and daughter like them, and I carry them on occasion myself, especially since better ammo has improved their stopping power. But I still like my big bores better.

      • Tinfoil Hat says:

        Sorry Lurker, but I have to disagree as well. IMHO, the “stopping power” debate is nonsense. My 1st handgun was a beretta 9mm. I learned the 9 back forth up down upside down and backward while in the service. My edc is a Taurus PT 709. Im comfortable with it. As for “stopping power”, if I put a round in the bad guys chest followed by a round in there head, speaking from experience in the Big Sandbox, trust me, they stop. With firearms, it’s all bout experience, practice, and what feels right for you. Just my pennies worth ( sorry, BHO took the rest, guess that’s what he meant by “giving me change”)

      • I will put my 20 years of Emergency Medical experience against “stopping power” nonsense. 9mm bullets have killed quite a few folks I’d been called in the ambulance for. I bet they’d call 9mm “stopping power” nonsense also, if they were alive to tell about it.

        9mm is a good round for what it is.

    • Tom the Tinker says:

      Ma-am: Picking out a side arm is like picking out a car or a pair of shoes. Ya just gotta ‘test drive or try em on’. Unless you plan to join a militia and well then yer sorta obligated to ‘fit’ in. Said it in here before…… a bad choice on something that expensive could have fed someone for well over a year and then you have to go find the one that does ‘fit you’… I am a Glock fan. Bro. in law is a 1911 fan. DW won’t pick up anything but a Walther. Daughter has my tricked out G19. Bro. and Sister in law went to the range with me this morning…. he has decided on the S&W MP, she…. loves my DW’s Walther PK380 but if I’m leaving town with just one side arm….. it’ll be a Rugar 3″ SP101 Bobtail DAO. MD is right…. if you are a good fit for a Glock…. the 19 is the universal ‘fit’.

      • Sure -y’all are right – gun should fit user.
        9mm is ok use to have an H&K m7 then m13 the m13 never fit my hand very well.
        I do zing 9mm every now and then.
        I am still angry about the US military dropping the .45 1911 for the 9mm Baretta. Just don’t seem right. Just to please the Euro’s.

        Want to make sure Gail has all the facts too. She might want one like granny had – bet nobody gave granny any poo.

        Also Id like to critique my own post.
        *First forgot that fabulous caliber the .357 many good pistols there.
        *The colt 1911 .45 is (IMO) the best pistol ever made. that said, it is a gun for a professional as it needs intensive training and practice. Love it -dont own it. Dont feel qualified. I would drop this for newbies
        *The 10mm caliber is an exceptional cartridge – in the proper weight/loading. Because of PC pressure there are a lot of cartridge loads that truly suck. Unfortunately an uncommon pistol, I own one very accurate and hard hitting- I would drop this for newbies.
        *Ruger Redhawk 45 long colt – ooo baby – I want one! An awesome pistol/cartridge. Would take practice and training for a newbie (or anybody) but could be handled with proper cartridge. Unfortunately costs $1000 .

        • lb, my best friend was LEO, me too. one night he took a load of 00 buck to the face in a traffic stop. the perp took 11 rounds of 357 to the chest, and still had to be restrained. he’s paralysed now,doing life. shoulda got the chair, but goes to show that size/power of the bullet doesn’t matter. it all about what it hits. the most deadly weapon in the world statistically is the 22lr.

      • I have put a Model 19 Glock 9 mm on my Christmas list. We shall see.

  12. Well this week has been ruff.
    My son has high blood sugar. We found out when he went to get his health deal for driving truck. Until he gets it down to at least 140 they won’t pass him.
    He has seen a weigh loss, which although a sign of diabetes, he needs to continue to lose weight in the hopes that he will be diet controlled.
    So far we have went from the 400+ into the 270′s down to 235 and this morning 197 blood sugar. I am so tickled.
    I do not want him on medication’s such as metformin until he has to and sure don’t want him to have to use insulin at all.
    If the system we are using continues to work I will post it later as a success so that it can be utilized in prepping for diet controlled or pre diabetics.
    So pray we get through this healthwise and financially.
    Tried making bread in my new bread machine. The bread taste is okay but it is so heavy. I would sure like it lighter in fact the lighter the better, well not so light it floats.
    Otherwise have done nothing except come here and butt in with my opinion and read other blogs. Either I have gotten faster or information is slow about being put out on the blogs. If I have reached the end of the internet I am going to be one bored women.

    • College Prepper says:

      Your son has my prayers, and I hope that the diet is a success.
      In regards to the bread: are you using whole flour where a recipe calls for white? If so, you might consider adding some more water, which would hopefully make it lighter. In my experience, most whole-wheat breads tend to be heavier because the flour absorbs more of the water. I haven’t really tried to get rid of it, though, because I like denser breads.

      • College Prepper
        No I am using bread flour.
        The recipe called for milk. Don’t know if that would make a difference?
        Oh and I had problems with the crust being crunchy on the bottom to about 3/4 of an inch up.
        I had to put the machine up I have absolutely no counter space, which drives me nuts.
        I did find a recipe from CDkitchen for basic white machine bread which calls for water, when I get around to it will try that out.
        I will say this for the machine it sure does mix well and that sure is a plus.
        Will put the more water in my notes, and see how that goes.
        Thank you for the answer and the prayers, muchly appreciated.

        • Texas Nana says:

          If you want lighter, as in not dense, bread try adding a little more liquid, as this will make it easier for the yeast to blow bubbles. But keep in mind the difference in the humidity on any given day will change the amount liquid you need.
          To much liquid and the bread will rise good then during baking the top will fall, when you get to the point start backing off on the liquid. I know this is a broad statement, but that is the way bread making goes.
          Even though most bread machines say don’t open while operating, I open mine while it is mixing the ingredients together, if it looks to dry I add a tablespoon of water at a time until it looks right. If it looks to wet I add a tablespoon of flour until it look right. What’s it suppose to look like? I can’t tell you, it’s a learned thing. The down fall of a bread machine is you don’t have your hands in the dough to feel of it there fore you have to learn how it should look.
          I made some hockey pucks that the dog wouldn’t even eat, I made some bread that caused the lid rise open. The point being practice.
          Whole wheat bread, is a lot better for your diet, when you have high blood sugar. Baking with whole wheat requires a little liquid and yeast, do to the weight of the brand in the flour.
          The most important “thing” is to make sure your yeast is good and active.
          Happy baking!!

        • College Prepper says:

          Ellen,
          I’m used to baking with water, so I assumed that that was what you were using. More milk would probably work as well. It seems (according to where I’ve been looking) that making it more moist will help.

          Where I’ve been looking: http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/1708/how-do-you-make-light-and-fluffy-bread

          Also, for the difference that milk makes: http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/20310/why-use-milk

    • Ellen,

      I asked the same question a few months ago and someone suggested getting dough enhancer. It worked. So I’ll pass along the advice, to get you bread to be lighter, add dough enhancer. You can get a small can at EE for $6, if my memory serves me correctly. Or you can pick up a small package from your grocery store for a couple of dollars.

      I’ve done a lot of research on Type 2 Diabetes. A good many Americans could avoid taking medication for Type 2 Diabetes if only they would eat a proper diet and exercise. It sounds like your son has made some excellent decisions about his health. Another thing that would help would be to start a walking program (if he doesn’t have one already)–even 20 minutes of walking per day has been shown to be effective in weight loss.

    • i’ll keep your son in my prayers and hope the diet is a success.

    • The Adkins Diet (Dr. Robert Adkins) is a very low carbohydrate diet. It seems to keep the blood sugar low without drugs. My husband has been on it for years. When his doctor recommended a different diet, we had trouble with his blood sugar. Adkins work but note that the old diet is possibly better for your son. Not the new Adkins diet.

      • BBL
        My late husband was juvenile diabetic.
        He could eat Taco Bell bean burritos and they not raise his blood sugar.
        He could eat a hamburger with no condiments and it raise his sugar level up.
        My sister has type 2 she has problems with potato’s my husband never had a problem with them.
        I think that just as we are individuals in life we are individuals with illness.
        We are trying to find other than sugar what brings my son’s sugar up. Believe it to be mayonaise. This will be rough on him as he loves the stuff, especially on sandwiches.
        But as we go along we will find what does and does not work.
        I am trying to stay within my prepping supplies with the added stuff he will need to keep his sugar level down.
        Thank you for the reply

        • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

          If your son is eating mayo on his sandwiches and his blood sugar is elevated, it’s probably due to the bread and not the mayo. Bread is starch, starch converts to sugar.

          • Lint Picker
            Some condiments are worse than bread. Mayonaise being the leader of the pack. Mustard is a good condiment. But bread is a caution.
            As I said before as we are individuals in life we are also individuals in diabetes. What drives the sugar level in one doesn’t seem to bother some.
            Potato’s didn’t bother my late husband but do my sister.
            Hamburger joint hamburgers drove my husbands blood sugar clear up to his head. Homemade ones didn’t and any variety they don’t bother my sister. He could eat 3 taco bell bean burrito’s and nothing would happen to his blood sugar. So go figure.
            The only thing my late husband liked about being sick is he could take his shot and NOT HAVE TO EAT and sleep all day.
            Schedules for meals are important to. You cannot run around like others do and eat out all the time. You have to stay where you can eat 3 meals at about 5 hours apart. And it ain’t good to skip meals.
            Also have to remember green is a good color while yellow is not so good in vegitables. You can eat a whole can of green beans with a meal and it will help fill you up and not bother sugar so much. But put acorn squash on the plate and it not only is a sugar factor but takes from the amount of food on the plate. You can have the green beans with the squash though.
            But thanks Lint. I appreciate all help and hints. And mostly the support. Priceless

          • White bread will cause a spike in blood sugar; diabetics should limit carbs and when they do eat bread, it should be whole grain.

    • Ellen, be sure to use the right kind of yeast. My machine’s manual specifies different amounts for active dry vs. rapid rise yeast. Yeast is a living organism so check the expiration date. Also you mentioned using milk, depending on how much fat was in the milk (whole, 2%, 1%) and if you used any other fat (butter, oil, etc.) could have had an effect, although I am not sure what that effect would be. I was almost ready to give up on my machine, but kept at it and now it is great. Good luck! Oh, almost forgot, you are measuring level cups of flour? Use the scoop and sweep method. And more precise is to weigh the flour, because it can be more or less dense depending on handling.

    • Nor Cal Ray says:

      Ellen,
      Please do post your tricks here as I would love to get off this pill while I still can. Mine was controlled by diet up until 3 months ago.
      Ray

      • Nor Cal Ray
        Didn’t post to make you think I am tricking anyone.
        Just want to see if it can be diet controlled with the help of other things besides actual drugs.
        I am so sorry you felt tricked.
        This is serious for my son and I would not use tricks on him.
        I also realize that even if this works for him it may not be forever.
        But I will do all I can to make sure he can have a long full life and possibly without having to rely on total dependance on medications.

        • Nor Cal Ray says:

          Ellen,
          I didn’t feel tricked. I am just very interested. LP is right about the mayo probably not being the problem. Bread is a big problem for me.
          Ray

          • Nor Cal Ray
            Well I want him to be able to take stuff that is readily available as aposed to having to have a doctor prescribe medicine and then it be hard to come by.
            I also want to be able to prep the stuff that he takes. If it is prescription they tend to limit what/how much you get.
            I have him taking 1 zinc 50mg and 2- 1000 mg cinniman capsules with breakfast and lunch then he takes the next batch 2 hours after the last meal.
            The Zinc helps with insulin. I guess if you are still making it and/or helps use what you have.
            The cinniman is for blood sugar.
            Remember also that stress, infection, and over worked is not good for sugar either. Do you think that any of these has entered into your lifestyle?
            Well as far as mayo goes I don’t believe in giving it up. But believe it is still a big factor in watching your blood sugar. Water is probably the only thing free except for lettuce.

      • Nor Cal Ray,

        How old are you? If you are getting on to 60 or so, you need to focus on building/retaining muscle mass. You could have the same exercise routine and weigh the same as you did before but in aging muscle is replaced by fat. I don’t know your situation. But you might want to check out the website for Strong Women Stay Slim. The site is for women but the recommendations work for both men and women.

        The site is based on a series of books by Miriam Nelson. If you spend 20 minutes, three times a week doing moderate weightlifting (just with dumbbells) you can replace fat with muscle. After three months, have your doctor do another fasting test. There is a good chance you can get off the meds.

    • A diabetic friend of mine controls his case well with diet and excercise plus insulin.I would give diet and excercise a good try before more meds.

      • axelsteve
        My son is like his father. Once he puts his mind to something he does it. The diet part he has down pat. The exercise not so much.
        But he will do it once he realizes he needs to.
        Thanks for the reply.

  13. I agree with The Prepper – those Black Friday sheeple are unbelievable and ARE the ones we will have to watch when TSHF. No way does that have anything to do with the Christmas spirit.

    For preps this week, I read a very sobering article about Obama’s and the left’s plan to do away with the 2nd ammendment by 2016if he gets re-elected. Here is the link: http://www.nrapublications.org/index.php/11920/obamas-secret-plan-to-destroy-the-second-amendment-by-2016/ . All it will take to enact his plan is for ONE more Supreme Court justice to retire or die. It will reshape the country for the next 50 or so years and they will come for all our guns. Please share this article with everyone you know.

    My other preps were purchased 4 dozen eggs to freeze, one jar dry roasted peanuts for free with coupon, 14 cans evaporated milk at BOGO (came to .69 per can), 4 boxes cereal BOGO, 8 cans beans @ .68, and 8 cans peas @ .40 (price match @ Wally World). Thanks to Gayle for the heads up on the Dollar General sale, who was out of everything I wanted. Thankfully Wallyworld met their price. I would have bought more but that was all they had. I also placed an order at EE when the had their sale yesterday for #10 cans – peaches, cheddar cheese shreds and freeze dried chicken. Added some antiseptic wipes and thermometers for the first aid kit to the order. Wow, that is more than I thought. Yep, writing it down does make you realize how much you did.
    STAY ALERT EVERYONE!

    • Nuttbush,

      You are welcome. I keep a close eye on the sales.

    • I knew I would forget something. I also ordered 45 more pounds hard white wheat, 2 pounds millet, another XL baking pan and a recipe booklet from Bread Beckers co-op that will be delivered in December. Up to 420 pounds of wheat now.

      • Curious if you have been using your wheat. If so , how?
        Our preps are complete (beans, bullets,band aids,retreat, etc)with exception of wheat. I am debating on adding wheat, grain mill etc.
        Thoughts?

        • Mr B,

          I opened a #10 can of red wheat so I could play around with it. I have baked several loaves of bread and they turned out fairly well.

          Check out the LDS online store. You can pick up a couple of cases of either red or white wheat in #10 cans at a very reasonable price. If I am not mistaken, wheat has a shelf life of 30 years.

          Other uses of wheat include hot cereals and meal extenders. I came across a website a few months ago (I wish I had bookmarked it). The site gives hundreds of different recipes for using wheat–the normal stuff like bread and cereal, but also some off the wall stuff too–like wheat meatless meatballs.

          I think wheat is an essential prep for two reasons: you can bake bread and you can sprout the wheat for fresh greens. Without fresh veggies, we will become vitamin deficient. Sprouts can be grown just about anywhere.

        • Vienna (Soggy prepper) says:

          For me Wheat is a must. The basic recommendations for grains for a year is 400 lbs. Grains ie: wheat, rice, corn rolled oats, pasta. Of that recommended number of pounds our wheat is a little over half that per person.
          You can probably look up the importance of wheat in food storage and get a much better answer then I’m giving. However, without wheat I’d think of my food stores as woefully incomplete and lacking the major component.

          You need the wheat for flour (stored flour doesn’t last as long or last as well). Without flour you have no bread, the staff of life. In a shtf situation whether it’s flat bread, pan cakes, yeast bread, bannock, pasta, cereal, meat filler, addition to soup, sprouts, cakes, pies, dumplings, feed to chickens, grow…whatever.
          If you don’t have wheat for flour your screwed.

          Imho wheat is a staple that one can not go without for storage.
          A great book is, “Wheat Cookin’ Made Easy” by Pam Crockett. Tons of uses for wheat that are real, applicable recipes with no crazy, stupid ingredient you don’t already have stored.

          We use our wheat weekly. Mainly I grind it into flour and use it in all my cooking. We don’t buy bread anymore, I make it. I have a great white bread recipe and a wheat/oat that our family loves and I usually make two loaves a week. We arn’t huge bread eaters. But the whole wheat flour is used in all recipes that call for flour, at about a half/half mix with all purpose flour. (cause I still like apf!) Also wheat berries thrown in a wheat/lentil stew I make apx once a month.

          Store wheat. When shtf you will be happy you did.

        • Mr B, Yes I have been grinding the wheat with my Country Living Grain mill and making bread. There is definitely a learning curve on making bread but with practice, my bread is turning out well. I also get an upper body workout with the grain mill but an looking to add an electric mill in the near future. I wanted to be able to feed our family if things get bad and homemade bread smells and tastes great.

          • Nuttbush,

            If you don’t want to use your hand grinder, throw your wheat in the blender. That works well for me.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Nuttbush, some of the treaties that Obama has agreed to will also threaten our 2nd Amendment right. Anything the UN is involved in is a threat, too. It’s a multifront battle to try to preserve the 2nd Amendment, and the entire Constitution for that matter. Stay informed, spread the word, keep fighting the good fight.

      • The UN treaties are definitely part of the agenda they have to do away with the 2nd amendment. Hillary Clinton and Eric Holder are involved with this too. I have shared the above link with my email list and strongly urge everyone else to send the article to their friends too.

  14. Not a lot done this week due to doing a lot of regular work. Am going through all of the many lists I have. Some are need to do, some are wish I had, some are need to get lists. My problem is I have to consolidate these lists. Many are just quick notes I wrote so I would not forget it, and some items have been marked off so it is getting hard to see what is really left to do or get. It may take a bit to do it-the stack is pretty thick!

    • mwm, i find it helps to use a posterboard on the wall and make the list. that way i can see it all at once and see progress as i mark it off.

  15. This week I canned turkey and turkey stock…7 pints and 7 quarts of each. I packaged up 10 macaroni and cheese meals…noodles, powdered milk and cheese…included 2 liters of bottled water for each. I dehydrated 100 leftover applesauce cups from school…they make great fruit leather and are FREE. I planted two 124 cell transplant trays: celeriac, chard, kale, onions, lettuce and some herbs. I planted more carrots, beets and garlic out in the garden. One of my hens surprised me with 2 baby chicks. I cleaned out the old energy sucking second fridge on the back porch and put in a nice clean e-star fridge I got for 60 bucks on Craigs List. Brought the spinning wheel up from the basement, cleaned it up and spun a bit of a friend’s alpaca wool…very nice. Knitting wash cloths from the cotton I spun last winter…that’s it…nothing else going on.

    • sistaprepper says:

      How did you can your turkey? I have 7 or 8 frozen I need get canned.

      • I just stick the cooked meat in a jar and then add broth or water to a bit less than inch from the top of the jar and then process for 20 minutes (pints) or 25 minutes (quarts) at 11 pounds pressure. For raw packed turkey I just put the raw turkey in the jar and process…no added water or broth…a bit of salt, it makes it’s own broth. I love having jars of meat for my quick meals…I have hamburger, sausage, pork, lamb, chicken, turkey and beef… tuna, salmon and crawdads! I’ve often said, if something stands still long enough I’ll put it in a jar and can it!

        • Schatzie Ohio says:

          My canning book says to can meats for 75 minutes for pints and 90 minutes for quarts at proper pound pressure for my elevation.

          • Then I would follow what your book says. I can cooked turkey (all cooked meats) with broth as stated. Raw turkey without broth just like I do all my meats: 75 for pints and 90 for quarts…sorry for the mix-up. I’ve been canning since I was 10 and the *new* rules are very different from the way Grandma taught me. In her day we hot water bathed everything (no pressure canning) and then boiled the food for ten minutes before serving. My grandmother tasted everything about 15 minutes before everyone else ate thinking she would get sick before anyone else and she could warn them…she didn’t know botulism can take a long time to kill ya’! I suggest anyone getting into canning just use their search feature (Google) and follow those directions or the directions that come with your canner (Ball Blue Book is Great, too). University Extentions have great canning sites that are great sources for food preservation, too. Canning is an art form and everyone ends up with their own style…and a pantry full of wonderful foods.

          • Absolutely–the only way to ensure that canned meat is safe to consume is to follow a reputable recipe. The Ball Blue Book says 75 min. for pints and 90 for quarts. Anyone who is canning meat for shorter amounts of time may be putting his/her family at risk.

  16. Hunker-Down says:

    Is anyone working on a Wolf Pack patch or pin or secret wink we can use for identification after TSHTF? We may want to start our own “little village”.

    • Hunker-Down,

      My dh drew a wolf print and I sent it to M.D. If anyone has photoshop, it would be easy to make Lint’s suggestion of the large paw print in the middle with 13 small paw prints circling around it.

      Does anyone have photoshop?

      • hello all, Gayle, my daughter has photoshop – called her – said if I email her an image of the wolf paw print she will do it…so, if you can email me the image I will forward it onto her – and then will email the completed image back to you etc…cheers.

        • Chloe and Lint,

          Chloe, I emailed you the image.

          Lint, your original idea was a large paw print in the center with 13 smaller paw prints orbiting the larger one, right? Any more details?

          • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

            Gayle, I have no more details to offer. I like to keep things simple.

            But I do worry about the lurkers who read this blog and know about our plans for a logo and then use that info to raid our retreats, etc. OpSec is high on my list of priorities. Follow somebody wearing the logo and you find a great stash of supplies. So I’d be very leary about this whole logo idea.

            • Lint,

              I think you are right about OpSec. Too bad. My dh said the greatest thing to me tonight. He said, “You know when society collapses shooting [bad people] is not going to be like shooting zombies. The [bad people] will have guns too”. (We just got done watching the Walking Dead.)

              I think he has fully come around to the fact that folks who haven’t prepared are going to be making their way over to this side of town to break into people’s houses. Home invasion and theft will be their best shot at survival once the trucks stop running. And we will be forced to shoot them to protect ourselves, our families and our supplies.

            • I’m with you Lint Picker. I like the idea of a logo, but maybe a phrase would be better. I am a member of a national group that uses both. I have come across people in several states and we have recognized each other by asking a specific question. We members know what that means. Anyone else hearing it would think we were just conversing.

            • Hunker-Down says:

              MtWoman,

              The idea of a phrase or question and answer would satisfy, I think, all the requirements of OPSEC.

              I’m an INTJ. That means, voluntary social reject. I can’t approach and start a conversation with acquaintances, let alone strangers. This gets to the problem; how do I build or become a member of a group of preppers? That’s why I’m looking for a tag or logo or some form of communication (OK, a crutch). I think your idea of a question-answer would be the safest and most controllable.

            • KansasProud says:

              I agree with LP. Much as I think it would be pretty cool to have a logo, I think it could create some potentially hazardous problems.

          • Gayle…..

            Guess I missed something. What’s the significants of the “thirteen smaller paw prints”?

          • hello Gayle, forwarded your email onto DD…any other ideas that come in during the next few days, please send – then you guys can choose from the assorted finished images…

            the only problem is – once the final product image is chosen, it will fall to MD to individually email the chosen final image out to everyone. cheers.

            • Oops! – just read others’ comments – if its a no-go on the Photoshop of the paw-print please let me know.

    • Hunker-Down,
      I’ve been thinking of a ring, in silver of course. The ring would have a paw in the center and a W above and a P below. I’ve also been thinking of a way to mark my vehicles so if me or my family is stranded we can identify with the pack and travel together. I think the one thing that all pack members have an abundance of is skills and they will be necessary to avoid the zombie hoards. Speaking of zombies,
      http://www.hornady.com/ammunition/zombiemax

      • Cliff in Douglasville says:

        While I wouldn’t wear or carry a ring I would wear a dog tag. I wore them 24/7 in the military and it wouldn’t bother me to have a set to wear with a WP that might be hanging outside my shirt when I’m shopping or something.

        • Hunker-Down says:

          Cliff,

          I think a dog tag would work for both boys and girls. My wife wears a medical alert ‘tag’ on her shoe.
          We could put it on a chain, or the shoe.

          • Hunker-Down says:

            In our area the grocery chains issue free plastic ‘membership’ cards, the size of a credit card. In addition there is a small key chain tag with a hole to accommodate the key chain.
            I have 4 different plastic tags on my key ring. When checking out at the register I hand the key ring with tag for that store to the cashier. They are so busy, and have handled so many already that they ignore everything else on the key ring. A Wolf Pack tag in the middle of all the other tags and keys would be OPSEC secure.
            We could show the tag as if looking for a key if we wanted to reveal our-self as a Pack member to another person. The sheeple would have no idea that a communication had occurred.
            Cheep to make, just need a knockout, but low key design. We could even help M.D. find a manufacture, if needed.

        • Hi Cliff,
          My only problem with the dog tag is that it would be worn where it can’t be readily seen. I do like the idea of a bracelet. My premise is that of opsec. It wouldn’t do for the Pack to go around asking “Show me your tags” to everyone they meet post SHTF. And on that topic I believe that the SHTF has already happened. What we are bracing for is the sunami of consequences as it slowly gets out just how bad of shape this country is in. Once your see the sheeple start to stampede is when things are going to get a little “complicated”.

          • Cliff in Douglasville says:

            Hi mexneck,
            Yep, I see your point on the dogtags. But like the idea of the ring I wouldn’t wear a bracelet. I spent too many years wearing a POW/MIA bracelet every day to ever put another one on. A tee shirt isn’t going to work either. I’ve got to the point where I don’t wear my Hi-Point firearms tee shirt or my winchester as it makes me a target as someone probably carrying concealed.
            I don’t know what the answer is. Just no one come up with the idea of getting a tattoo on our forehead or something.
            I agree that the stuff has already hit the fan and we are just waiting for the other shoe to drop.

        • Cliff in Douglasville says:

          MtWoman,
          Interesting about your membership in a group. I am a member of an internal fraternal order. Some members wear rings, some wear belt buckles, some no sign at all. If I suspect I have met another member I can ask him a question, if he has the right answer he is my brother, if not then no harm done. I have met other members all over the world and even when we couldn’t communicate due to language differences there were subtle things like a special grip or even a special sign and all needs for languages are transcended. I don’t think this is something that we could share within the wolf pack and the likelihood of 2 or more members of the blog would run in to each other and want to be recognized is pretty slim. When I went to the Survival Store yesterday and met the guy who runs the place and we talked about the blog but we shared no names, we dealt in cash and we didn’t even share blog names. It’s better that way. I doubt, if we ever meet in any setting other than his store we would probably never recognize each other. So, I believe while it’s a neat idea to have a logo, I don’t see members of the blog wearing it and wanting to be recognized by regulars or non regulars.
          On the other side, if MD ever holds a class that requires a gathering then that is something we will each have to do on how comfortable we are in a face to face meeting. I might be more willing to leave via web conference than in person.

    • Chonte' in MD says:

      agreed!! we need a t-shirt or something!

      • Chonte’ in MD,

        I’m not good at designing – but it would be an interesting project for someone.

        • Chonte' in MD says:

          hmmm my lil bro is quite the artist. he’s done logos and designed a bunch of the family’s tattoo’s im gonna see if i can get him to sketch up something. he just recently got interested in prepping so he might be into it. plus it would be a fun project for me! my little one is getting more and more independent so i find i have more free time during the day while she’s playing or coloring in her new play room (formally my dining room)

    • Candy in Nebraska says:

      A paw print personally wouldn’t be a good idea. We have seen that in my area a lot. Some are tatoos some are hanging with the don’t tread on me signs Even seen in my docters office, but then again he has a paw print on his right hand between thumb and finger. Might want to re-think the paw.

    • Tom the Tinker says:

      Nice idea HunkerD…. I like the idea of a subtle decal or sticker for the BOV…. Like the idea alot…. If it is ‘designed’ in here by one of the Pack….. more likely to be ‘seen’ and understood by a reader / poster from here. KISS kiss kiss. Like using the primary and secondary colors of the website logo…….

      MD!
      I’ll pony up a prize for the winner if you want to run this as a contest. As to the “Prize” let the WP decide what that would be.

      • Tom the Tinker says:

        I would also expect that any successful design would become the property of the owner of this web sight…….. with all commercial propeties thereuntooooo to remain his and his alone such as rights and royalties for the hats, shirts, stickers, and related products and properties……..

        I’ll still pony up the Prize!!

        • Tinfoil Hat says:

          I think this is a great idea! Especially since I know there are several Pack members in my Communistwealth that I’d LOVE to recognize if TSHTF! Whatever it is, Id buy it/tattoo it/wear it/put it on my vehicle !

    • Wolf Pack Secret Handshake:

      Extend arm at shoulder height while making the “OK” sign with your hand.
      Bend elbow bringing hand (with “OK” sign held) to just cover tip of nose.
      Hold in place while making eye contact with other member for a 3 second count.

      This will represent the method that wolves (and other canines) greet each other in the wild.

  17. Celebrated thanksgiving at a waffle house in k. C. Mo. Sure am tired of the road. What to do what to do. Something lurker bob said keeps playing over and over in my head. “having time makes one truly wealthy”. Or something to that affect. 3more days and I’m home for 10 days. Have a great week all. Brad

    • Hunker-Down says:

      Bctruck,

      It would be nice, sir, if you would take a picture of your travels now and then, like you did with the sunset (years ago!), and give us a link to them. I enjoy hearing about the places you pass through. Let us know if you see any changes in the sheeple habits.

      • Hunker down,give me a couple hours and I’ll upload a video I shot over last few days. I’ll post a link here when it uploads. I’m in palm springs with a 3G signal till Blythe.

      • For some reason I can’t copy the link.
        The video is,,,, 7777 a few short clips from the road

      • Because you see a lot of different places and people, I’ll second that request for reports on changes in the sheeple.

    • you, the mrs. and the little ones take care on the highways heading home.

    • Nor Cal Ray says:

      The one by the K.C. airport? They have the best Biscuits and Gravy.
      Ray

      • Thats the one! Our freight terminal is just a short distance away. Meat lovers chopped steak. Hash browns double smothered.

        • bc, be careful out there….if i might ask, what do you hear from other truckers about whats going on? i find that sometimes they have a better grasp of current feelings in america due to their travels.

          • At the risk of sounding pompous ,I have so little in common with most truckers,besides a steering wheel,that I hardly ever have the need or desire to talk to them. I don’t own a cb radio and I rarely venture into truckstops other than to pay for my fuel. My observations are this. Every store parking lot is filled to capacity. Truckstops are overflowing with trucks in the parking lots. My own cosby has had such an increase in freight volumes that they have relaxed Thier hiring criteria to accept more drivers. This used to be one of the hardest companies to get on with and now we have a large percentage of people have difficulty with the English language. Based on what I see,the economy should be booming. In the area I live in,you can’t walk out your front door without a job hitting you upside the head.

  18. Hello All!

    I hope that everyone had a great holiday and survived the crazy shoppers on Friday. If they fight like that for a video game, just think what they will do to get food and fuel when TSHTF!! I did my black friday shopping online and avoided the crowds. This week I added more cases of canned vegetables and a couple cases of canned broth and beef stew to my supplies. Received some Mora knives that I had ordered and some more mylar bags. Did some flashlight shopping online (Thank you Lint Picker for the recommendations). Bought 3 more 20# propane tanks and am considering a couple of 100# tanks. I prefer smaller sizes to the big outside tanks that are not portable and that will be a magnet for thieves when TSHTF. Found a few sheets of plexiglass for cheap in the classifieds. Should be good for broken windows and other things in the future. As usual I got alot of great ideas from reading everyone’s comments this week. Thank you MD and Wolf Pack!

    The major addition to my preps was a 500gal water tank. I have it mounted on a refurbished sprayer cart, so it is mobile. I think this will be useful in the future if I need to move it to from one building (its winter home is my shop which is heated to around 50F) to another shed or to another location. Should also be useful when I decide it is time to empty the tank and replace the contents. This way I can take the old water to the garden or the orchard without needing 20 garden hoses to get the water where I want it to go. Haven’t decided what to do with the old tank from the cart. It’s polluted by chemicals. Any ideas? If not, I’ll probably just sell it for what I can get.

    I am continuing my inventory of supplies as I sort and move things into the new supply room. Found a couple things that I forgot that I had and was glad to see. Still alot of organizing of tools to do but the food is pretty much organized and inventoried now.

    I was wondering if anyone has used the Eneloop rechargeable batteries? They come in the AA and AAA sizes with adaptors for C and D sizes. I was looking at them online and wondered how durable they were etc. I also wondered if the AA with the size D adaptor provided as much power as an actual D battery? Any thoughts or comments would be much appreciated.

    I hope that everyone has a great week ahead!

    • Lint,

      How about writing up a post on flashlights? You could break up flashlights into general purposes, and the do a cost/benefit analysis of the best flashlights for the cost.

      Everyone asks you about flashlights; it would be good to see a comprehensive analysis all in one place.

      • Gayle,
        I agree. Maybe do a list and write a short review each light on the list. Headings could be tactical lights, LED’s, handheld spotlights etc.

        • M.D.,

          Yes, but he will have to see to it the list is placed in alphabetical order.

          • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

            Touche, dear Gayle. :) A shot across my bow is fair, I suppose.

            I’ve got too much on my plate right now, can’t write up a report. Besides, I’ve written so many suggestions for flashlights already that anybody doing a search should be able to find them all.

            • Tom the Tinker says:

              Lint…. I think Gayle was trying to find a way for you to list your hord o lights as a tax write off….. research thang ya know….. well unless you already list em all as dependents or something…… Me… I buy a new one each year along with a new set o boots etc. and it is deductable as tools and clothing……… DID ya hear that uncle sugar?

      • gschnauzer says:

        Gayle
        Got some great led lights from Costco, 4 pack for 19.99. Husband loved it, so bought a few more packs for emergency. Have in the cars, go bags, etc…

    • Rob in Ontario says:

      JE in Ia how about keeping the old tank for grey water use

    • Eneloop NiMH cells are some of the best low-self-discharge (LSD) cells you can get. They have a very good reputation. I’ve been using Eneloops rebranded as Duracells along with regular NiMH cells. (Duracell is now selling LSD NiMH cells made in China that are not Eneloops. The rebranded Eneloops have a white top, while the non-Eneloops have a gray top.) They should serve you reliably for years if you treat them with care, charge them with a good quality battery charger designed for NiMH cells, and don’t store them in hot conditions.

      The LSD NiMH AAs have a capacity of 2000 mAh, while regular high-capacity NiMH AAs have a capacity of around 2500 mAh or more. (There are cheap NiMH cells on the market with much lower capacities. Read the packaging carefully.) Alkaline D-cells can have a capacity of up to 12,000 mAh, and alkaline C-cells can have a capacity of up to 8000 mAh. The NiMH C and D cells I’ve seen sold in stores only have a capacity of no more than 2500 mAh, and they feel like they weigh no more than an AA cell.

      I use the La Crosse Technology BC-9009 charger, which Amazon says has been replaced with the BC-1000 model. (Be sure to read the Amazon reviews by
      “NLee the Engineer.” He provides a lot of good information about chargers and NiMH cells.) I also use an older Duracell branded smart charger (CEF23) for NiMH cells that is no longer available. The important thing to look for in a NiMH smart charger is that it monitors the charging voltage and current of each cell individually – many chargers don’t.

    • I just received an order of Eneloop AA’s and AAA’s from Amazon.com after reading the reviews. The got high marks from some of the battery techies. I haven’t used them yet so we shall see.

    • Cliff in Douglasville says:

      I have a 275 gallon wire caged water tank that I use for grey water. It’s kind of humid down here in Georgia so I run a dehumidifier in the basement and the air conditioning dehumidifies the air. It used to run out a little hose to the backyard but I was ending up with a swamp. I bought this tank, put it in one corner of the basement and ran the hoses from the little pump that used to pump the water outside to this tank. I have a small electric pump and when it gets up to about 3/4 full I hook the garden hose up to the pump, plug the pump in and pump about half the water out to water the lawn and flowers (and stealth garden). I like to keep it about 1/3 to 1/4 full since I’ve got some hand siphons and it would be easy to siphon out the water and use it to flush the commodes.

      • I like your system Cliff. Thank you for describing it. Good ideas!

      • Tom the Tinker says:

        Hey…. Cliff.. anybody in Ohio…. got a sorce for those caged water carboys?

        • Cliff in Douglasville says:

          Tom the Tinker, I’m in Georgia so that’s not much help but I found my caged tank on craigs list. I bought it and 2 rain barrels (with spouts and a strainer in the top to keep leaves out) for $175 and the guy delivered all 3 pieces to my house.

    • j, the eneloops are great! use their charger, not some cheapo. the c/d adapters allow you to stock one size batt. the aa/aaa batts have a fraction of the c/d current but in a pinch work well, you just have to change/recharge them more often. they are the only rechargable i’ll use, after trying several name brands…..on the tank, gray water recycling comes to mind, or fuel if its the right type of material.

      • Riverrider, good point about the charger, and thank you for the info/review on the batteries…. Using the old tank for gray water makes sense, thats probably going to be what I do with it.

  19. I scrounged up some firewood.It is black oak.I bought 150 rnds of 22lr.Some instant coffee and 2 packs of noodles.Not allot but I am moving ahead.

  20. Ellen have you tried having you son take cinnamon.Its great for controlling blood sugar.You can Buy the capsules or just add some to his food.For some answers to other comment on this page: 1) Cranberries are very high in vitamin c.I found a very tasty recipe for cranberry orange jam.What a great tasting way to get your vitamin c. 2) As far as security and livability I would say there is room for lots of creativity.Mobile homes can be a comfortable place to live.As far as energy efficiency,they can be drafty.In colder parts of the country ,you want to make sure you have heat tape on the pipes with skirting and insolation around the bottom of the trailer.Plastic over the windows and insolated trim around the doors are also helpful.I would also check the insolation in the walls and ceiling,mobile homes are not known for having a lot.On the plus side you can often get the older ones real cheap or even free.You just have to be willing to move them.

    • Yes, my sister told me about the cinnamon. We are using that and Zinc. I was going to wait and tell it as I do not know if it will be a constant. But I believe it will work as he is keeping to a diet and off the sugary drinks.
      The Zinc helps in your making of insulin naturally. So if you are producing any at all I guess it helps you keep it or possibly produce more
      If it works am going to have to prep up on these things.
      I am amazed at the secrecy of things that could help diabetes or other illnesses and doctors (and seems now the government) doesn’t want you using. It makes me mad as heck.
      Well will let you all know next week how we are progressing.
      Thanks for the info.

      • Hunker-Down says:
      • Add mesquite flour and agave necter to the list of things that naturally reduce the need for diabetes drugs. For a 1 1/2 pound loaf in my bread machine.
        2 cups whole wheat bread flour
        1 cup mesquite flour
        2 tbsp oil [I use walnut but any veggie oil or margrine]
        3 tbsp agave necter [or splenda baking mix if you can use that, I can't]
        1 tsp salt
        5 tsp yeast
        1 1/4 cup very warm water [cut back for wetter climes]
        1 cup plus 2 tbsp is more standard but for here we need extra water.
        Set machine to expressbake. FWIW YMMV

  21. 200 rounds of ammo
    more work on cabin – 3rd coat of vanish on wood counter top, installed bathroom light, got bathroom sink working
    case of vienna sausages
    4 cans of beef stew (the perfect survival food – veggies, meat, carbs)
    Pair of quality work boots for DH
    6 tubes of Carmex
    2 large can baked beans
    2 packages dried black beans
    Rotated gas in cans into cars & filled them with non-ethanol gas
    Put 75 pounds of wheat in mylar bags & buckets

    That’s it for this week.

    The economy is a wreck, the occupy crowd is losing their minds & getting very violent and the sheeple are fist fighting over Victoria’s Secret yoga pants on black Friday. And obama is playing golf all weekend. The whole country is going nuts.

    Keep on prepping everyone!

    • *varnish* not vanish on counter tops. ha-ha!

    • How did you do your countertops? Did you make them yourself or buy them premade and just varnished them? We are getting ready to put a few cabinets in our new kitchen and if I can get away with making them instead of spending a small fortune on something ready made I’m all for it.

      • t, lowes n home depot sell ready made tops in standard sizes. you can cut them to fit if needed. they are cheap too. turn them over and cut from the back so the finish won’t chip. i’ve used them in my last two homes with no problems. just a thought…oh, lumber liquidators sells butcherblock tops too. very heavy, but tough. i used them on my bar, and my workshop tabletop.

      • We got 3 unfinished cabinets real cheap from home depot – but this is just for a cabin so appearance wasn’t #1 on our list.

        Our counterstop is a huge slab of wood that we got for free from a friend who owns a lumber mill. We sanded it down, shaped it & now we are staining & varnishing it (to keep water from ruining it).

        I’ve heard you can get cheap used cabinets from Habitat for Humanity. Might be worth a call. If they aren’t too attractive you can always reface them.

        Good luck!

        • I don’t care if they are ugly as sin as long as they are sturdy! I want them to be cream colored since I have wood floors and a teak bar for an island so I will paint whatever I find anyway. I’m pretty sure we have a Habitat for Humanity here so I will have to go check it out.

      • Chilly Beaver says:

        Doing arborite on countertops is extremely easy if you dont want to have to redo them as often, I just did the whole house. New 3/4″ plywood for the base, then glued and nailed 3/4″ x 1″ oak all around. Use contact cement to apply the arborite, then a quick router around all of the edges. 2 Sheets of plywood, a quart of contact cement, and 2 sheets of arborite. 3 bathrooms and a wraparound kitchen cost me about $300 Cdn total, and that was picking a more expensive arborite. Looks great with the faux black marble and lightly stained oak.

  22. Discovered I may have an allergy to either clams (had clam chowder for lunch) or an over the counter pain reliever. Woke up with hives about 3 in the morning and of course the only allergy medicine I could find was a topical itch stopping cream. Allergy medicine is definitely high on the list for purchasing this week. Then maybe I’ll try figuring out exactly what triggered the hives (never had them before and hope to never have them again).

    That is one reason it pays to have a good variety of food in one’s pantry. If I am now sensitive to shellfish it will hurt but I have other soups and foods that I can eat. All my chickens weren’t in one basket.

    • Generic Benadryl is cheap and definitely something everyone needs to have. It will work for allergic reactions, make you sleepy if you can’t sleep, and you can use it on dogs that have skin allergies.

  23. Also, signed up for CPR/First Aid training in January. Should only cost $2 since it is thru an organization I belong to.

  24. MD, It was during Newt’s stint as Speaker of the House when the Military Research and Development Subcommittee had a meeting (1997) on the threat of EMPs. Testimony from leading scientists and military officers said then that the most logical mode of attack against America would be with a weapon of mass destruction like an EMP attack.

    After this meeting, Speaker Gingrich requested to be briefed by those in attendance. Gingrich was paying attention and understands the serious consequences. Reading the minutes from 1997 is like being there:
    http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/security/has197010.000/has197010_1.htm (The cast of characters is listed here:
    http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/security/has197010.000/has197010_0.HTM )

    • lynn, yes but the people doing the “research” were also hawking emp “proofing”, and vastly overstated the threat and effects to scare congress into appropriating billions to “emp proof” our military. it worked, billions spent, and my electronic engineer friend says what they did was absolutely not needed nor effective.(he designs and works on radio comms for the gov). CME is another story, but little you can do about it besides plan on living off grid a long while. as far as newt, he’s the smartest guy in the room but maybe too smart to get elected.

  25. Winterized the greenhouse so we don’t have frozen waterlines. We’ll reopen it in early February, depending upon the weather.

    We built the buck-house! Since it’s only housing 2 goats, it’s small. There’s one door and one window. I’ll get the goats next week and I’m psyched. Well, wait …. Not totally psyched. One of the bucks is being sold as a wether without any registration papers so I have to castrate him. I’ve never castrated a goat before so this will be the first time for me. Good skill though. I’ll be able to apply this skill elsewhere, I’m sure, like when unruly maurading raiders (TDL’s wraiths) get apprehended. Lol

    Bacon was all salt-cured and is going to be smoked tomorrow. We brine-cured center cuts of ham and made the last of the sausages (rubbed sage for this batch).

    Made myself a wooden Lucet tool to make square cords and drawstrings. I used a large wooden 3-pronged fork and sawed off the inner tine. Now I’m teaching myself how to make these cords because we’re always in short supply around here. We don’t normally use things like plastic baggies or plastic wrap, only for freezing. For the fridge, we use cotton food bags so I make them and use drawstrings to close them tight. Works much better than plastic since the cotton will wick excess moisture off of veggies. (For bread storage, use bags made with 2 thicknesses of cotton.) Usually I stitch drawstrings from strips of cotton fabric (or leftover bias tape) that are knotted at the ends. Now that I’m learning to cord with a Lucet, I’ll be able to use up some old yarns, twine, floss, perle cottons. Waste not, want not. Here’s a Youtube video if interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y5K7FiT2Og

    Dehydrated food from EE came Wednesday and it’s been shelved except for the stuff I got for Christmas gifts. Other food purchases include a case of assorted cream soups (Walmart sale at 49-cents/can), another case of sliced peaches, another 25# white rice, another pound of cocoa, box of unflavored gelatin.

    Other purchases were some rolled gauze bandaging, 100 pack of nitrile gloves (XL for husband), dozen pair rubber-faced work gloves, another 36-roll bag of TP, bottle of shampoo.

    We received a seed order and I’m already excited to set seeds for Spring! Started a “barter box” after the post on the Art of Bartering.

    Tanner, the baaaad puppy, got into a few Crayola crayons today. Saturday is our watch-the-granddaughter-day and she had been coloring, you see. Tanner now has bright green paws and I have a feeling we’ll be seeing some brightly colored poo this afternoon.

    Also ordered the Tool of Torture – that’s the Elastrator (the tool that bands-off and castrates goats). Oh, yes, I already feel the power already in my hands…..

    • Hi Lynn

      What age is the kids that are coming in as buck and weather? in regards to age? There is a limited time that you can typically use the Elastrator and bands, once they reach a certain age, you typically move over to either the emasculatome or a Double Crush Emasculator, and power in the hands is right LOL

      I have shown a number of folks how to use the bands, but I still have one friends that for the past four years calls and offered coffee, visit and free aged firewood in exchange me coming over and doing the kids boys.. Its honestly not that hard to do but the one time he tried to do it himself, it didn’t work well and he ended up with a boy with one good and one done and was very unhappy with his unplanned male, and so I ended up coming over to a do a older male, always bigger chore.

      Congrats on your making a Lucet, I had to dig to try and find mine, I knew I had one in storage somewhere from when I used to do cording in the SCA in my twenties, and I sent you a site on who a number of my friend in Alberta buy from, I am for sure going to order the one that is listed as doing larger critter ropes as mine is for small light cords, and I would not mind a mid-size on as well.. Keep us posted on your results if you are willing..

      My main “fun project” this week has been working on a small lap blanket with my own home raised and plucked down/small feathers from my fall butchering, I have got my first couple lines sewn and filled but still need to be cross pockts made to hold them in place. Collected Lots of Dried cattails and planning a simular project with them pulled and fluffed as filling.

      • charliebuck69 says:

        Lynn and Farmgal,You are making me squirm in my seat! Elastrator and Double Crush Emasculator!!??? Sounds horrifying to me.If you can perform”The Task”,you are alot tougher than me! I guess because I possess the objects that are the subjects of the procedures……..

        • My Dh’ Says, he hears you, he says its worse when you get to see your wife fixin them LOL. Honestly, dealing with abcess’s etc is harder then banding at least for me..

      • For the love if god!!! Please !can we stop with the removal/castration talk? I’m beginning to get nervous and jumpy!

        • Hunker-Down says:

          The same procedure was used on horses when I was on the farm (1950′s). I think drivers are immune, but can’t be sure.

        • Ah, come on B.C. Grow a …. :P

          Opp’s that what goes this started LOL, Sorry, but your comment made me laugh so hard that Hubby called out..What?

          Do you know that men get so “touchy” about this subject that some vets now off fake plastic balls for when male dogs are altered, you get the real removed, and fake put in, so that the hubs can still walk his big tough boy strutting down the street.. cracked me up when I read that..

      • Farmgal, I’m actually waiting until we get this to-be-castrated buckling to decide what to do. I want to see him, examine him, and also check his birthdate based on the pedigree papers (even if we don’t retain them). I’ll let y’all know. Should I do a video? Husband will be the one who restrains and he sucks just doing that while I trim hooves on the doelings. Geez….

        Last week, when reading your posts, I almost mentioned that cattail fluff makes a good batting/filling. I see you realize that. Did you know it’s also buoyant and can be used as home-made flotation devices, like Kapok is?

        Nice Lucets at the link you shared. I figured you would have an interest in the Lucet. You, me, and a few other 19th century throwbacks — we are hopeless. LOL

        • Hi Lynn

          I knew that the cattails can be used for filler/batting, I have learned how it can be used for a number of different ways, but I didn’t know that it can be used as buoyant, thanks for that, another project to try, I give it a try making a floating toy for my lab girl to retrieve and go from there.

    • Lynn, you sent me off on a research project on Lucet cord making and ended up creating my own info file complete with copied and pasted pictures. Thanks! (I think.)

      • BMerry, it’s pretty interesting, isn’t it? I want to take a few pictures of the process so that I can do the same. I’d hate to set this skill down and then need it next year after I’ve forgotten the basic steps.

        • I would be glad to email my compilation to anyone who’d like it. It’s not my work but I did gather a lot of info and copied and pasted all the pictures.

    • l, i was going to ask if you can band the goats “boys” but you answered already….you never cease to amaze/inspire me.

      • Riverrider, maybe I can inspire/convince/coax you to consider goats in lieu of a mini-cow when you decide to take that next step. The feed alone should be a good factor to consider. :-)

        • riverrider says:

          lynn, ref the goats….an unfortunate childhood incident versus a billy goat clouds my judgement on the idea:), but my main concern w/ the goats is i’ve been reading up on them n they seem so medical?intensive for lack of a better word. and the ones i’ve known were known to be escape artists that enjoyed grandma’s flowerbeds:) i raised cows, feel more comfortable around them, but i realize they aren’t the ideal prepper animal like goats. tell me they are feed and forget, and i’m in:)

          • Riverrider, like any animal (or human), an important factor for good “health” is the gene pool and another important factor is the care given to the animal (or human). There is no vet in the area that will care for goats so we’re on our own. I have had a ‘cow vet’ out to our place once and was horrified at his poor judgement and pitiful practice regarding his equipment (preventative). We had a very sick kid about 3 weeks after we got her and he misdiagnosed her. Even took a stool sample and still misdiagnosed her. I stuck w/ my own observations, records I kept, and my ‘gut’ told me this kid had Coccidiosis. She was worsening and nearing death, despite rehydration efforts. Finally, she began responding to a 2nd medication. She was treated and cared for for almost 2 weeks and she pulled through. No thanks to that vet…. I thank God for guidance there.

            We’ve never had another problem but I don’t believe I’d be so desperate as to have the “cow vet” come back. I am trying to convince our regular vet to re-specialize in goats, though. lol

    • I have been asking my husband for quite a while to make me a lucet fork, he constantly “forgets” the tool he needs in the tool trailer at his boss’ house. I have made a small one out of a plastic fork that I broke the middle prongs out of, the problem with that is I can only use smaller yarn/thread, and it constantly slips off.

      • TG, did you see the link I sent on my post below for where you can get very nice and reasonable lucet in different sizes and styles online?

        • I didnt see the link so thank you for pointing it out. For the price it would probably be easier to order one then to wait for my husband. Of course, the minute I order it he will have the time and remember that I want one. LOL.

      • TG, The link that Farmgal shared has some gorgeous Lucets and they’re fairly priced. The Woolery has one for under $15. You can also try to make yourself a larger one with a wooden fork (think salad fork), then use a small saw (knife or dremel blade) and cut out that middle tine.

  26. Cliff in Douglasville says:

    It was a busy week at work so didn’t do any prepping until Friday. Sat at the computer and order 7 cases from the LDS store of whatever they had online along with their starter pack. I could be wrong but I believe the started pack was $30 with free shipping and 6 #10 cans but now it’s $31 and still has free shipping but only has 4 #10 cans. Made a large order from Auguson Farms.
    Today my adventure began. Had to make a bank and post office run. Stopped at 2 local gunshops looking for the Ruger extended magazine (25 round) for the 10/22. One place said he couldn’t keep them in stock, other place said check back end of next week. Went to one other shop and he had 3 hanging on the wall ($25 each) so I took all 3. He was writing a note to order more. Left there went to Walmart and picked up 60 rounds of .45 acp, 100 rounds of .223 and 3 boxes of 550 rounds of .22.
    I had heard mention of The Survival Store in Marietta so I wanted to go visit them. It was quite the drive since I got on Cobb Parkway at the wrong end (who knew the numbers would go down and then back up and the odds would switch side of the road with the evens). Called the guys and they vectored me in. Couldn’t hope to meet 2 nicer gentlemen. Seems the owner is a frequent visitor to this blog and has even written an email to MD about advertising here so MD, check your mailbox. They were very well stocked with Alpine Aire, Wise, MRE (commercial) and more good stuff than you can imagine. I got a wound kit with Quik Clot, a wicked Gerber Gator Machete (very nice and very reasonable), and a few other bits and pieces. He stocks a lot of books and even had MD’s Dirt Cheap Survival on the shelf. Very, very nice people. Very helpful. They had a lot of reloading stuff but I’m not in to that right now so didn’t pay much attention. A lot of grain and rice and wheat in nitrogen packed buckets (I think 6 gallon buckets, looked taller than my 5 gallon ones).
    Came home but stopped in at first at Krystals for a bite of lunch. I’ll miss them a lot when they are gone. Also visited Goodwill and picked up a couple of nice old, Hickory handled butcher knives for $2 each and a couple of cast iron cornbread fritters? cookers. Each one has 6 indentation and when you pour the batter in and cook it you end up with something that looks like an ear of corn on one side and smooth on the other and it’s the perfect size to crumble up in a big bowl of chili.

    That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
    Hope you’ve all had a wonderful Thanksgiving and remember, if you can’t be with the one you love, love the one you’re with.

    • Cliff in Douglasville says:

      Hate to add to my own post but also at the same store called True Wilderness he had a large selection of various canners and the equipment it takes to can stuff in #10 cans along with a large group of the various size canning jars. It was almost too much to take in.
      My wife is giving me the machete for my birthday next month. My daughter came in and looked at it and said “are you going to go kill zombies”. I thought it was funny as it was one of the items in the Gerber kit in the Walking Dead a few episodes back.

    • Krystal is going out of business? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  27. Texas Nana says:

    It’s been a great week for preps I scored 9 dozen canning jars for $20.00, and bought a new industrial shelving unit for my full jars, black Friday sale saved $30.00. I don’t normally do the black Friday sales but the shelves were to good to turn down. DH purchased some machinist tools, on e-bay, I hit the thrift stores Mon, Wed and Fri, scored some snap closed jars, great for dehydrated food, material, an old singer sewing machine for $5.00, great for heavy material and leather, and the best deal an antique coal oil lamp $3.00 it’s going to be a gift for our daughter in law!!
    DH had his knee surgery on Monday, he had great results and continues to improve daily, he is already in therapy. This was the answer to a lot of prayers!
    I realize this doesn’t sound like a lot, but with the surgery, Thanksgiving, and our normal chores this was a full week.
    Keep the faith & keep prepping!

    • WOW!! Great score on the canning jars!! They’re $8 for 12 around here.

    • Nor Cal Ray says:

      Glad your husbands knee surgery went well. Good score on the canning jars.
      Ray

    • Glad the surgery went well but got to say, WOW, what a amazing deal on the jars, the price has been crazy this year, other then the one good sale this summer, where I filled to shopping carts with cases of jars, its been close to a dollar a jar in the stores, thankfully I was able to get a couple good finds at the local farm sales but even there, the prices are getting higher as more folks are looking for them.. Just a great find and buy!

  28. Was a light prep week, except for the fact that it’s always on my mind. And the news just confirms the necessity: food recalls, social upheaval, gov manipulation and control, diseases popping up. All fronts seem to be increasing. The holidays always seem to distract folks, but this Winter is gonna get tough, in my opinion.

    This week was pay week, so was able to add to my stores:

    -Bought some canned goods for my long-term stash: 1 can tamales (for some reason, I love these); 4 chicken broth, 4 large Campbell soups (Italian Wedding, Chicken Corn Chowder, Sausage & Chicken Gumbo, and another Steak & Potato), and 3 cans beans (2 black & 1 kidney). Also: a small can of smoked ham & a pkg of tomato/chicken boullion.

    -Bought some bulk medicinal herbs (Nettle, Eyebright ) and some Wheatberries for sprouting. All over the health food store where I got these, were signs hanging asking customers to sign a petition against the new, up-for-consideration Gov FDA legislation that will severely restrict the availability of and our ability to purchase herbs & supplements. This is something to pay attention to, imo. It stinks of big pharm. So…I bought extra herbs, and I am reading the proposed legislation here: http://www.fda.gov/food/guidancecomplianceregulatoryinformation/guidancedocuments/dietarysupplements/ucm257563.htm

    -Bought 1 more Propane canister…the kind my Coleman stoves use.

    -Bought 6 more bandanas. I’m about them like Lint Picker is about flashlights….a person can’t have too many. They are SO useful. :)

    -Ordered a “pocket” copy of the Constitution and Bill of Rights for myself and my grandson from: https://www.constitutionfacts.com/us-pocket-constitution/

    -My son and I braved the “Black-Friday” traffic to go to the restaurant supply store in Dallas, as I wanted to look for a couple of things I need for canning & baking. WOW! What a treasure trove…and many things at great prices. The most important thing we found was food-grade storage buckets of all sizes. The lids don’t ‘seal’, but they close securely. They would be great for in-home storage, or for other use if a way to seal them was figured out. The prices were reasonable for them too. There were so many things there in a LARGE size that could be used in prepping. My funds were limited, so I only got a couple things for canning and baking (a hand-held corer, a large-size flour sifter (thanks son!), and a pot scraper). I also got a stainless wire pot scrubber in the janitor supplies section. Those are handy for all kinds of things. It pays to “think outside the box” when it comes to supplies. Looking in “other” places for things needed sometimes scores. My next jaunt is to a marine supply warehouse….who knows what I’ll find there. (And I am really glad we didn’t get pepper-sprayed, shot, or stabbed…or beaten by the police…while out on Black Friday, like other folks did)

    -Ordered an ‘implement’ from NorCalRay….can’t wait!
    Other prep:

    -Asked all folks who I’ve given my home-canned goods to return the jars….they’ve gone up in price again. So far, have gotten 1 case worth back. Every little bit helps.

    -Researched vege wash formulas ’cause I’m pretty concerned about the quality and safety of the produce we are getting now. I found this one, which looks good, so bought a gallon of vinegar and will start trying it out: “Formula: equal parts white vinegar & water in bowl or spray bottle. Coat veges/fruit and rinse.” They also say: “Why it works: the acetic acid in vinegar kills bacteria and helps to dissolve the wax & pesticide residues on fruits & veges”. Have any of you experimented with this?

    -My son & I continue the conversation about my getting a gun. I’m leaning towards a shotgun. I just feel it’s the best over-all to get first. I handled rifles as a teen (my mother hunted), so feel it will be the easiest to get used to. *sigh* Really don’t like that it’s become ‘necessary’, but it has. Gotta adapt.

    -Researched American Eagle silver coins. My father had some info about them, so I’m reading up. I am confused, though, by the value of such a thing when TSHTF: if it says a dollar, won’t it only be WORTH a dollar? Who will be interested in its silver content and and give that value in goods for it under those conditions?

    -And last, but not least: got the next to the last load of stuff from my Big City storage unit, and brought it all out here. One more trip, and I’ll have emptied it. Yay. More money for the important things.

    I hope you all had a fine Thanksgiving. I made it through mine unscathed! :) And thanks for all the great ideas here…SO helpful!!

    • Need to add that while at the restaurant supply, I saw some “menu holders” that were tri-fold clear plastic with really sturdy edging. They would make good holders for papers….not water-proof, but could be put in zip-bags. They also had a great one-burner gas “portable cooker” that closes up in a case. It’s an off brand with its own brand of bottled butane gas, but was a good looking unit. Because of $$ constrictions, didn’t buy, but it would be a decent deal at $30. They also give discounts on the gas canisters when you buy a case. I have to remember to ask about case discounts on ALL things, as well as a “senior discount”!!!

    • Mt Woman, I’m still laughing at your mention of not getting pepper-sprayed, beaten etc while shopping…I know – have seen the videos on you-tube…

      Regarding the return of your empty jars…are you able to include the cost of the jar in the cost of the jam/conserves etc…or can you do that from now on.

      The PM’s I have are for last resort bribes to save my life by passing through a checkpoint or similar thing…if you have gold chains etc, and on the move through any future scenario, tread the chain through the hem of your blouse/shirt or trouser legs.

      Any gold medallions etc (silver/gold coins too) can be sewn underneath a patch of whatever you like, an anchor, rose, flag, etc…on a blouse/shirt pocket, that way if you lose your luggage or it’s stolen from you during a panic you will hopefully still have the clothes on your back and not all will be lost.

      If you can machine sew – thicken cuffs/collars so any coins/gold medallions/silver are not easily discovered…cheers

      • Nor Cal Ray says:

        Mt.Woman
        Your implement is going out Monday a.m. With Thanksgiving and all I got way behind. Sorry I couldn’t get to it sooner.
        Ray

        • Not a problem Ray. If it’s as good as it sounds, I’ll be ordering 2 more for my son & grandson. Would you hold them for me if you still have ‘em? Tanx. Really appreciate getting good things from good folks!! :)

          • Nor Cal Ray says:

            MtWoman
            Sure. You actually got a more expensive model because they were out of the regular ones and agreed to supply me with the more expensive one for the same price. I sold over 600 of the other model in 1 month and they couldn’t keep up with demand. You got lucky.
            Ray

  29. Prep Now (so.fl.) says:

    We picked up two Bushmaster Carbon 15′s,with Bushnell Red Dot sights, from Gander for $600 ea.
    A few hundred rounds for them, a couple of shirts on sale.
    Planted some bush beans.

  30. Vienna (Soggy prepper) says:

    No substantial preps here this week. Holiday prep more then anything. Spent way to much on regular food, altho it was sooo tasty. I can buy a lot more food storage and more meals for the same price. But Thanksgiving was good.
    Our son went a week with an intestinal bug. I was getting concerned. We kept him pumped full of Gatoraide (I had stored at .50 a piece). The loperamide did Nothing. The pepto-bismol with the bismuth subsalicylate was AMAZING! Stopped him right up. It could have been the end of him being sick anyway, but I’m stocking up on pepto, pills and liquid!
    I’m going to count buying a pair of winter boots for myself and my youngest DD as preps. Then I can feel productive! lol
    She gets hers as a Christmas present even tho she picked them out! It was so much easier when they were little and any little inexpensive toy would do. As teens kids get spendy with their tastes and they definitely have their own style. Altho she did comment that if she had to walk a long way her feet would be dry in them and she’d be stylish! (they are purple and black). So hey, combining function (survival) and style! She is listening!
    Have a great week everyone, and if slow and steady doesn’t win the race it at least finishes lookin’ good!

  31. I got M.D. CD in the mail this friday, and had a chance to peek at it, but not had anytime to read yet, am looking forward it

    The farm is moving right along, my litter of extra special farm kittens(pointed an blue eye) are ready to head to their new homes, I have found some great homes, and gotten some wonderful barter done in placing them, I have will be getting some raw beeswax, Homemade but high quality pottery, Raw fleese, some horse lead ropes and some vet supplies, have not place one of them yet so will see what is figured out when I find her the right home.

    While up here in Canada, our thanksgiving was a number of weeks ago, they had some black friday sales in the hopes to keep us closer to home and we took advantage on some it, I added in half a ton of dog and cat food to the stores, which with the cold winter temps will hold for months, Picked up four heavy duty work flannel shirts, 6 packages of heavy works socks at 3 to a pack, assorted sizes of leather/sheepskin lined gloves, some fancy driving, some work, a two way radio set (up to 18 miles, we have tried it up to five and good to go) Some of the sales where kind of odd at the farm store but awesome, so I got a assortment of Syringes, mouse traps and bought them out of the highly on sale Milk Filters Disks, bringing home all ten box’s for a thousand of them to add to my stores.

    And because of thinking of Lint and it was a good sale, a waterproof float in the water with emergery gear spot pink LED Flashlight :)

    Dh came home with some awesome and useful swag from his different conferances up north, which included Winter Gloves-Thinsulate -2 Canvas Bags-2 Can Covers-3 wool Touqes-1 scarf-3 Ball Caps-1 travel alarm clock-2 small first aid kits-1 DVD on making artic, leather, fur clothing-1 calander-2 USB cards-1 Thermometer-1 set of ear buds-2 micro flashlights key chains-1 lint brush-Large metal clip with Compass-Large Metal Clip with built in knife-2 Leather Daytimers for 2012-1 Note Book Big-1 Note Book Small-1 Clipboard holder, with fake leather covers-5 sticky note pads in different sizes and colors-1 sewing kit-2 rulers of different sizes, one combo measuring tape/flashlight-20 normal higher quality pens-2 pens with built in flashlights-3 pens with highlighters

    My formal Gifts from Dh was a Boreal Cookbook that I can’t wait to start trying some of the different recipes using lots of the wild craft things I already do, like Pickled spruce tips, or Spruce Salt or sugar and many more. Along with a number of packages of Cariboo Sausages.

    For lynn, In case you had not found her site yet, I thought you might like this link..

    http://www.lucets.com/lucets.html

    Hope that everyone had a wondeful week and look forward to hearing how it all went..

  32. I replaced the door seal on my back door as it started letting in a cold draft. I added 2 more ces of MRE’s to my stockpile and wallmart had the jello brand pudding packages on for 39 cents vs the usual 1.09 per pack. I cleaned them out of chocolate and oreo flavored ones. It got me out of the dog house, the wife went to get a pack of pudding out of the store room the week before and realized I had nearly 1000 servings of pudding down there in #10 cans and they were all vanilla or pestachio.. I don’t like chocolate pudding and never stocked any and she loves it, so I got the look. Now we have 50 boxes of chocolate pudding and she’s happy.

    • Exile1981:
      I think you found the way to get your spouse on board with the preps…Just stock the stuff you like. If they get a good look at it, don’t find things they like, it opens up the conversation and cooperation!
      I got another bonus when I married a Soldier; she’s been in the field when someone dropped the ball and the right stuff didn’t get where it was needed. Nowadays our shopping conversations sound REAL interesting to the sheeple that overhear us, and the hidden prepper shows up and joins the conversation.

      • She has been on board with the prepping for a couple years, just not happy about the choclate pudding oversite. She even makes bread whenever I get time to grind flour.

  33. Hello Wolf Pack.

    Tried writing down what should be purchased this go around and kept adding to the list. Checked things off and scratched some things out. Will have to do it that way more often. Thanks to all of you for the inspiration.

    Mostly food items this week: salt, brown sugar, corn meal, vinegar, peanut butter, spices, sauces, baking soda, popcorn, canned fruit, razors and safety pins. The quantities are small but the totes are full now.

    Still trying to save for a water filter and grain mill. That part is slow going.

  34. Schatzie Ohio says:

    We put in some range time as this is their last weekend until next spring. Other than that we are looking into presents for Christmas – so that should tie up any money until the 1st of the year.

  35. Wellrounded says:

    My wonderful family bought me a 23qt Presto canner for my birthday, can’t wait to use it. I’ve ordered my first 3 dozen ball mason jars, only available from a few online sellers in Australia. I have a 1000 or so Aussie made preserving jars that I will try but most are already put aside for water bath preserving of jams, fruits and pickles. Emptied my storage room and restacked everything in a more orderly fashion. Replaced a few things we’d used out of storage. Got a bit of work done on our living quarters (we are converting a farm shed), started assembling the stairs, will be nice not to have to use a ladder to get to our bedroom. Our plan is to build a living space with small kitchen, bathroom and bedroom upstairs while leaving the ground floor as a community area, with commercial style kitchen, butchery, library and plenty of storage. Our aim is to grow enough for our family and close friends, they visit for a few days and take home a car load of food, frozen, bottled, smoked and fresh. We have a pig processing week coming up, a few family members will be here to help and take home a side of pork and some boxes of veges and fruit. It is a great way to pass on and share skills throughout the group. Was hoping to work on a list of edible ornamental plants to post this week but just haven’t had time.

  36. texasmomma says:

    This week, hubby got me out to the gun range. I love to shoot, but have only ever shot pistols. He decided it was time I try the AR-15. I have to say I LIKE THAT GUN. Turns out I am a pretty darn good shot. He spent his time sighting in the new 308. I didn’t work up the courage to try that one.
    Received a shipment from Shelf Reliance of freeze dried fruit and powdered milk.
    At the family Thanksgiving dinner, an Aunt brought bags of clothes for DS. Most are a size or two bigger than he is now. Love the freebies. Now just need to find a source for DD.

  37. Rob in Ontario says:

    hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving –not much this week worked around the house and still looking for work — everyone stay safe

  38. Attention Publix Shoppers: I stopped by Publix this afternoon and noticed they had 40 oz. Skippy peanut butter on sale BOGO–two jars for like four dollars.

    • Gayle,
      I’m so eating your dust when it comes to the bargains but I hope to catch up quick. Just wanted to say thank you because this week we saved over $20 on groceries with coupons. It wasn’t the amount so much as the fact that it made DW open her eyes up a little more. She likes a bargain too, so now we are trying to out do each other and she is getting a little more curious about being self sufficient. I think the word prepping turns her off so I try to use other terms that don’t seem so end of civilization to her.

  39. Picked up 50 lbs of white wheat, 10 lbs of pancake mix, quart of corn oil, and 96 oz of veg oil, 12 packets of yeast, 5 buckets with lids and liners, wonder washer, the amazing wheat book, 16 oz of vanilla ext., and ordered a one year pack for one person from Sam’s Club, Augason Farms, and ordered 2 rain barrels from amazon.

  40. Well lets try again:

    This Weeks Preps:

    Operations:
    More work on the basement, 4 more shelves up

    General Purchases:
    Kabar Tanto Knife
    Pick/Mattox combo (50% off at ACE)
    2 Fleece Blanket (50×60”) (BOGO)
    2 hanging oil lamps
    20 spare wicks
    Spare Chimney
    2 cast iron bread pans
    2 pkgs if Quik Clot (25g)
    pkg of 500 2″ x 3″ zip lock bags
    Ordered:
    3 cases of FD food from EE
    M92 Rifle, 16” bbl, Stainless, 357 Mag
    38 Spec & 45 Colt Specialty Ammo
    2 Mags for Browning Buckmarks
    10 4 gal square buckets
    6 32 oz bottles of lamp oil
    Cast Iron Food Mill
    2 LED/Solar Flashlights

    Dollar Store:
    Misc Medical Supplies
    33 boxes of Choc Pudding
    10 boxes of Van Pudding
    15 boxes of Hot Choc

    Guns & Gun Stuff:
    9mm Ammo
    Sling & Buttpad for AK
    Leather 2 Mag pouches for 308 rifle

    Food (into Storage):
    100 packets of Hot Choc w/marshmallows (in 3.5 gal bucket)
    66 4-serv packets of Choc Pudding (in 3.5 gal bucket)

    Thanks again to the Wolf Pack members. I got the ACE and Quik Clot coupons when following a pack mates suggestion about coupon.com.
    I found that the reports of incidents at Black Friday sales to being a precursor of things to come when times get tough. DW went out Thursday night to score on some linens but wasn’t out too late. I went out about 9:30 and went to Sears to buy a second cordless drill to match my other one so now there is one a both locations, but only one set of batteries. It was on sale for 1/2 price. Other than that I shopped on line. With gas over $3.50, diesel @ $4.20, and the temps in the 10-20′s….well let’s just say the retailers are glad that I don’t have a web cam!
    Still working on the basement. Most of the “newly discovered” floor is covered now with carpet remnants so I can now be of a little help. Have 2 more sets of medium duty shelves to put together and the need to more HD sets and get then assembled. Then it’s off to finish the garage. By the time were done I should finally be able to get everything where it can be readily inventoried. Glad I was working on it all along. We have been putting stuff up for quite a while as things became available for cheap, things are much more organized so our prep money can be spent better. Long term we need to get out of this house in town and at least get out of town. 35,000 people is not all that much (next largest if about 40,000 and its 65 miles), but most are totally dependent on the government for basic services (water, sewer, heat, electricity) and those even 10 miles away are much more self reliant.

  41. Chonte' in MD says:

    happy thanksgiving wolfpack!! hope everyone is safe and well. not much going on over here but i did stop by rite aid and picked up a couple fleece throws for $1.50 each!! they are a pretty good size and i could easily cut a hole in the middle to make a poncho if we needed to be on the move. and a couple bottles of hand soap for $0.97 so we’ll be warm and clean when SHTF!
    i pulled my uncles name in our family secret santa all the adults play so we can keep costs down and everyone can focus on the kids. i think im gonna make him a get home bag. after people were stranded in their cars during last winters storm i know that he would be one of the people who walks home instead of just sleeping in their car. he would want to get home to his family so i think i’ll give him the essentials. a couple bottles of water, a small first aid kit. hand, foot and body warmers one of my trusty fleece throws and some food. and some stuff for the car as well, a small bag of salt in case the car gets stuck. i figure i’ll write up a list and pick up a few things each time i go out and by christmas he’ll have a nice backpack :)

  42. This week was interesting…I’m ever so closer to having the chicken coop done today; I managed to procure almost all of the things I need to finish it for free this afternoon! I’ll be working on it feverishly tomorrow.

    We’re setting up for Christmas this weekend….I think it is important that the family has some sense of normalcy.

    We don’t shop during black Friday crap. My personal OPSEC-or agoraphobia, whichever comes first ha ha- doesn’t allow me to be around crowds that size especially knowing it will be a ruckus. I live in a rural setting for a reason. Anyways we do our shopping well ahead of time when we can so even though there are “possible deals” to be had, I like to sleep and keep my Squad safe.

    So, chicken coop tomorrow. Wife is salivating and currently picking out the breed(s) we are going to start with!

    • Good luck with the chickens. I have had great success over the past 3 years with mine. I have made mistakes and have had some losses to predators, but overall it is going well. No losses in over a year now. I am going to greatly expand next year. I have New Hampshire Reds and Broad Rocks. Very hardy good layers.

      • Thanks for the tip, Russ. Yeah we’re getting excited and hopefully will be done with it this weekend!

  43. gschnauzer says:

    Purchased sleeping bags that could be used for go bags. Bought a few packs of tea lights from IKEA. One light last four + hours, timed it. With the price of 3.99/100 you can’t go wrong. String beans from Costco and a few thanksgiving sale items.

  44. Put 60 lbs rice, 60 lbs sugar, 20 lbs noodles in buckets/mylar.
    Used my Kill-A-Watt on the bread machine. Found out it only uses 0.33 kilowatt-hours to bake a loaf of bread, I thought it would be much more. If you are making an electric budget for going off-grid or just being frugal, Kill-A-Watt is highly recommended. 5 out of 5 wolves.
    Bought a otoscope at CVS, I had always called it ‘the thing doctors use to look in ears’.
    Put a rear rack on the bicycle, now need to get some panniers for hauling.

    • gschnauzer says:

      Quick note, something my grandmother used for ear ache. Warm oil placed in the ear and stopped up with piece of cotton. Pressure on the eardrum eases the pain. Use this all the time on my son.

  45. W.V. prepper says:

    We had a great Thanksgiving. I purchased 4.25 in silver coin dirt cheap. Also got 1 quart honey from local bee keeper. 20lb white rice, 100 rds 9mm ammo from walmart. found 2 kerosene lamps for 2.50 apiece so i bought a five pack of spare wicks at walmart. set down and finished my last minute SHTF shopping list. I broke it down into 2 lists one for me one for my wife. when i think the SHTF situation is near we are going to drain the bank account by buying as many items on the list as possible. If it wasn’t the right call no big deal we will have alot of stuff we needed anyway just no savings. I can live with that prices aren’t getting any cheaper.

  46. Nor Cal Ray says:

    M.D.
    How’s the mobile coming along?
    I hope everyone in the Wolfpack had a great and safe Thanksgiving.

    Preps for the week were accidental by nature. One of the stores I supply bought out the contents of a warehouse and I have been closing everything out for him.
    I ended up with 2 cases of WD40 9 oz.spray cans after selling 18 more cases for 10.00 per case. 1 Crossbow Pistol with detachable stock, 1
    .223 Lee Loader, 1 .45acp Lee Loader for BOB’s, 18 boxes 9mm MagTech 92.6gr. SCHP 20 rds. All of the above was in the warehouse and were added bonuses to me for selling the other stuff for which I was paid to sell.
    Recv’d 3 x .308 to .32 Adapter,3 x .30/06 to .32 Adapter, from Sportsman Guide.
    Bought 100pk x 3 Boxes of #209 Shot Shell Primers, 2 x 3pk 125gr Broadheads from another customer.

    LintPicker, axelsteve, and Worrisome, please email me @ irep4you2@yahoo.com for additional info or email MD to have your email forwarded to my regular email account.

    Ray

    • Nor Cal Ray says:

      Almost forgot. I now have Paracord Bracelets for 5.50 + shipping. Shipping is actual charge only. This deal is for Wolfpack members only. Choice of White or Black. Email order to irep4you@yahoo.com average about 11′ of 550 cord.
      MD you don’t need to post this if you don’t want to.
      Ray

  47. I rented a climate controlled storage unit to put some of my stuff. I’m retiring from the military in about 14 months and plan to move from this local area so am only using this unit temporairly until I get to the place I’m supposed to be. Today I went shopping at my favorite places (Thrift shops). Also went to a local fabric shop and picked up some patterns (for clothes making) for 99 cents each. If and when we have to make our own clothes, I want to be prepared. Also got a pattern from the thrift store for 25 cents. My purchases included patterns for men, women,kids, and for shoes and gloves as well. Amazing that in 2003 patterns were $1.99, today they run $12 to $18 each. I wound up with about $250 worth of patterns for under $20. I don’t know how to sew but it’s on my to do list.

    • Marti, good on you, my to-do list is canning and shooting.

      Regards the sewing – if you have a favourite pair of pants/trousers etc that are the perfect fit and feel wonderful when wearing them – and they are beyond wearing but cannot bear to throwout/recycle – be sure to buy when next on sale material similar or as close to the pants you have.

      Will use stretchy leggings as an example – for your first attempt – so do not use expensive material for your first attempt.

      For example – black lycra leggings – full leg length.

      1. turn inside out and cut along the inner leg seam/s and up to waist, both back and front.

      Even if your leggings ‘pattern’ has an inner and outer seam, does not matter – we can just make the new ones with one seam only…faster, better etc.

      2. cut off waist band – keep for later…recycle.

      3. put one pant leg away in sewing box – for next and better attempt.

      4. using your ‘pattern’ of the leggings – place over the folded new material leaving enough area at the bottom to ensure you will have enough to sew a hem- 1″ to 1.5″.

      5. make sure the material stretches the right way – if not turn it 90 degrees…you want the maximum stretch at the sides of the new material, not when you are pulling the material from top to bottom…

      6. now that you have your ‘pattern’ laid out on your folded material, allowing for 1 ” (inch) hem, you also now need to allow 2 ” for the waist – as the top of the ‘pattern’ has had its waist cut off. And also allow 1/4 – 1/2″ for new seams…sewing stretch material is very forgiving. (this is also your chance to add/shorten if your favourite leggings need either).

      7. Get a length of 1″ non-roll pant/waist elastic and measure it around your waist – to where it fits nicely – just how you like it…stretching as much or as little as you like…add one more 1″ to the length and then cut the length…this is for your waistband – see further below…

      8. Measure twice – cut once….check the above steps.

      9. Put ‘pattern’ out of reach…you can use this repeatedly later for more sewing.

      10. Now fold the cut material so the inner leg seam can be sewn up…starting from the bottom…machine stitch on medium to long machine stitch length and sew up toward (can I say it here???) crotch area.

      Sew one leg up first, then the other, with the same tension on the material as the first pant leg…always starting from the bottom…line the hem up evenly and ensure the waist edges are also lined up evenly.

      Use a stretchy material machine needle (the Universal needles are not suitable -they are mostly for sewing cotton material).

      Stretch the material slightly when sewing the inner leg seam/s.

      11. Then turn both pant legs so that the right sides are together (use black lycra or similar material) so if you can’t distinguish between the two sides, no problem – neither will anyone else and you will get better as you practice.

      12. Pin these 2 (right sides) together – so that the front and back pieces are aligned.

      13. Now machine stitch on long stitches – set the stitch to between middle to longest length – in case you need to pull the stitching out and redo.

      14. Now sew the hems – turn up 1″ all round, and start sewing from the inner leg seam area…it looks tidier – don’t want overlapped stitches showing on outside of pant leg…if you do not have a double needle, then once you are happy with the first hem – can do another row of stitching just below it about 1/8″ – or just look at the hems on leggings you already have, and copy the distance…some are wider than others, go with whatever you prefer.

      15 – last step…the waistband – machine stitch the waistband back and forth at the 1″ overlap area…now you have one continuous band of elastic.

      Lay it flat – with the overlapped area at the very side of the waistband and put one pin in at the edge of the left and right sides – then move the waistband so these first 2 pins are lined up, and this will show you the 2 new areas to put pins in…you now have 4 pins equal distance apart on your elastic band.

      The now sewn leggings are right side out and ready for the waist band to be stitched in…
      1. lay the overlapped part of the waistband at the rear/back seam of the leggings and use the pin (no. 1 pin of 4) to now pin the elastic band and the leggings together.
      2. do the same with the front seam of the leggings – use pin no. 2 to pin elastic band and leggings together.
      continue so that all four pins that were in the waist band are now pinning the waistband and the leggings at all four areas that have been stitched, i.e., the front and back , and your 2 side seams.

      Stretch this waistband a little so that when you machine stitch the top of the waistband to the top of the leggings there will be no puckering of leggings, so – working one quarter of the area at a time e.g., between back seam and side seam, gently stretch and add more pins as necessary so that when you stitch band and leggings together it will be uniform…continue with the remaining 3 quarters of the leggings, and if satisfied – machine stitch slowly, removing pins as you go until all waistband has been machine stitched to leggings.

      Once all pins are removed – try on leggings – if your elastic is too loose – need to go back and…you know…

      If elastic is a good fit, and hem is right length – the last step of all is – with right side of leggings on the outside – pin as before, with waistband elastic folded over…you will have 4 or more pins spaced evenly around the waist, and then machine stitch over the row of stitching you did when you added the waistband.

      Then, trim with small sharp scissors any excess uneven bits you may have – work your way around the waist band slowly.

      And then with a zig-zag stitch – machine stitch the raw turned-over edge of the leggings – going over the rows of stitching you already have there…for a tidy finish.

      All done.

      If you want, can resew the inner seams now with a shorter length – more strength.. remembering to stretch the material as you machine stitch it….and as you get more experienced, these can be sewn in just 5 minutes once pattern is cut out.

      You can make these in any sizes/colours – browns, charcoal, gray,black,olive drab,navy – and can be worn as an inner or middle layer during winter – made out of polar fleece/polypropylene/wool/cotton blends/etc.

      Or just for normal wear.

      Variations like yoga pants and 3/4 length pants are just as easy…especially if you already have perfectly fitting clothes like this in your wardrobe that you can use.

      They can also be made a few sizes larger and longer, to allow for wearing of multiple layers at a time – depending on whether they are inner/middle layer.

      Also, perfect to make maternity pants – once incubation time is up, just sew a new seam down the front – trim off excess material, and there you go.

      And if you make them out of 100% silk – does not stretch – will keep you almost as warm as merino wool as an inner layer, with minimum bulk…so make sure you allow plenty of room for seams – and sew a silk drawstring for the waist instead of elastic as that takes too long to dry.

      For hubby – use a pair of old favourite tracksuit pants as a pattern – once you get started, there is no stopping.

      If you have a ton of white cotton sheets like I do, come SHTF time, these can be sewn into Chinese style 3/4 style pants with drawstring waist – and dyed any colour if required, and for a few minutes of your time, will provide cool breathable summer work clothing for adults/children alike for pennies.

      If you see clothes that are made out of quality material marked right down at the thrift shops you can cut them at the seams and make entire new items out of them – silk and wool make great neck scarves and wraps.

      Have sewn brand new denim skirts (long) into duffel bags and laundry bags.

      Just turn inside out, a couple of rows of stitches along the bottom (which was originally the waistband/zipper area), then turn right side out again, and insert cord into the already hemmed area which is now the top) tie cord and you now have a heavy duty drawstring bag that will hold lots of stuff – eg,
      shoes,
      assorted camping pots/pans/cleaning stuff.
      motorcycle boots/socks/gloves/trousers/goggles.
      spare set of BOB clothes/boots/toiletries/first-aid/fish-kit.
      swimmers/snorkel/goggles/diving knife/fins.
      sleeping bag/mosquito net/pillow/thermarest self inflating mat.
      car jumper leads/rope/tent pegs/hammer.
      laundry bag – just throw in washing machine along with bag contents.

      The filled duffel bags/re-purposed skirts can be stuffed into lots of places.

      Start with sewing bottoms first and let me know if you need better instructions – and then progress to tops. cheers
      .

      • Chloe, why don’t you submit this to MD for the writing contest–then all this helpful info will get the attention it deserves.

        • Lantana, thanks for the compliment, however, am content that I can contribute to the information sharing. cheers.

      • Copperhead says:

        Chloe

        GREAT instructions! I read every word and now feel like I can make them too! Really appreciate the detailed lesson as I’m not a novice sewer, but have not ever made pants/slacks etc. Thank You!

        • Copperhead, thank you to you as well.

          These are so easy and cheap to make, and will last ages – as some of the bought stuff is just not up to the task of everyday rough use during a camping/bike trip etc.

          I buy my lycra and other assorted material for $3 p/metre (everything in his shop is $3 p/m) from a place that has been having a closing down sale for the past 10-12 years. cheers.

  48. Midwesterner says:

    I have not posted in a while but have been busy these last few weeks. First I ordered 60% wool blankets from Cheaper than Dirt & they are the warmest blankets I have seen. I also got a Water BOB that holds a 100 gallons of water & fits in your tub.
    I also put to use an old WW2 stove I bought from Survival Inc. back in the 70′s. It’s a small wood burning stove that can heat a fairly large room or can be cooked on. I just vent it to a window & am set to go.
    I also started practicing with a Powermaster crossbow that is just too powerful. I bought it years ago & the previous owner made the limbs out of what I believe is aluminum, the wire is a cable. When fired the bolts go thru an archery target, & a bale of hay with enough force to shatter the bolt & chip the brick on my house. It has an all wooden one piece stock, a pop up sight, & uses a U shaped bolt to hold the limb in place. Simple, accurate, & powerful.
    Though I don’t post much I enjoy reading about everyone’s prepping & whatever new ideas they have. Though I have been at it awhile I always learn something new here every week. For that I thank you.

  49. Candy in Nebraska says:

    This week we purchased:

    4 bottles of lamp oil
    4-6 packs of toilet paper
    4 long sleeed shirts for hubby
    2 mouse sticky pads and already been catching the filthy things
    had a kitten catching mice but she stowed away in daughters van and
    her roommate wants to keep her.
    2 pkgs of diapers for my grandson seeing as how we have him more
    then his mother does.
    7 pkgs of baby wipes
    4 cans of coffee
    3 big bags of tobacco
    15 boxes of tobacco tubes

    Black Fiday buys late in day so I wasn’t trampled had my grandson with me who is 11 months old. grandson picked out 2 toys for his birthday and I bought 3 movies for $1.97. Not prepping I know but got to have some entertainment sometimes.

    • Candy…what are “tobacco tubes”?

      • Tubes you se with a special hand load machine for making cigarettes. Way faster than hand rolling, very popular in some parts of the country.

      • Tom the Tinker says:

        If they are the same tubes we stock….. prefabed and filtered paper tubes you load into a cig machine and make your own filtered and perfectly shaped coffen nails.

        • Candy in Nebraska says:

          That is corect but hubby also has handheld cig rollers that use tubes as well not just meant for machine. I can make a pack of smokes in 5 minutes and sell it to the neighbor down the road for 2.5o a pack and still make money or trade for his ducks and chickens if need be. He is lazy hates to work so if need be I hae a bartering chip.

  50. Tom the Tinker says:

    Thomas and DW have decided to call our seasonal shopping days…. “Black Weds and Saturdays” We went out Weds evening and sorta ear marked what we needed / wanted to add to the shelves and went back this afternoon and picked it ALL up at the ‘Friday’ sale price…. we didn’t have to pepper spray anybody, beat off the muggers in the parking lot…. not so much as a round fired and…. we had a nice lunch at Bob Evan’s.

    15 more 31″ carbon shafts for the bows.
    every Dak ham at the Central Ave. Walmart.
    every can of sardines in water at the Central Ave. Walmart.
    More buckets at Home depot.
    Every box of Fed Premium 12 and 20 ga. slugs on the shelf at Gander Mountian marked 99cents. 10-12ga. and 17-20ga., 500 22, 40 3030, 40 308
    Set of walketalkees
    Misc. plumbing parts, hoses, diesel fuel cans, duct tape at Menards.
    30 ceproflaxin, 90 Amoxicilin
    One surplus Italian Army boot repair set ala DeutscheOptik.com
    Taken two of the inlaws out to the range in the a.m. for some breakin time with their choice of ‘hardware’.

    Leftovers and YingLing!

  51. just some suggestions. if your a chewer, consider gettin the plug tobacco. you can get plenty of chews from one brick. also, if you dont feel like haulin rolls and rolls of toilet paper, try old phonebooks. theyre heavier, but they pack together alot better and you can carry alot more than a roll of tp. i came up with a great way to carry .22 ammo. take a .20 guage spent shell and a .12 guage spent shell. cut off the crimps on the .20 guage, put 4 .22 bullets in the bottom(stagger them), put 4 .22 bullets on top of the 4 on bottom (also staggered), and put the .20 shell in the .12 shell. it holds them good and tight and now you can use a shotgun shell pouch/bandolier/whatever to hold your .22 bullets. 8 will fit in a .20 guage shell. also if you want to waterproof it, just put a o-ring on it. i came up with a idea for self defense/non lethal shotgun shells. using a knife, open the crimps, take out the slugs/bbs, pack in cinnamon,red pepper,paprika,capsacin,crushed up fiberglass, sand etc etc (whatever you choose..just some suggestions),and fold your crimps back down and seal with candle wax. you could even use flour or cement powder in place of smoke bombs. i have no idea how these contents will affect the mechanics or barrel of the gun, they are just ideas. i will be getting a cb radio and possibly handheld cb radios and 2way radios for comms. i plan on stickin with my truck as long as possible. any suggestions or ideas to make these better is welcomed!!!

  52. Justin. I bought a few cell phone carriers at the dollar store. The size fits a 50 round pack of 22 lr perfectly and the belt clip affixes to a rifle sling.cheap, effective,simple.

    • axelsteve,

      Sounds like the star of a great guest post “cheap .22 ammo carriers” how to make your own.

    • that idea is alot more effecient. but it can hold more than just bullets. matches, flat batteries, screwdriver bits, keep tinder dry etc etc. but thanks!

      • another idea…for fire starting, get a welders torch striker. its got a flint and steel and it will spark all the time. all you have to do is squeeze your hand and you got a spark

  53. breadmomma says:

    The writing thing is paying off for me, got closer to paying off Uncle Sugar and had some left over so this week, I stashed more silver, more beans and bought 4 more trays to add to the dehydrator…more quart containers to store my drys in..mouse proof…an apple peeler and slicer to make managing bushel of apples from DH auntie’s tree last week…waiting for the crabbing season to start up here on the Oregon coast…picked up a case of smoked oysters and some smoked albacore and smoked chinook along with regular chinook from my fisherman/canner buddy for my two son’s back east…they are also preparing for the future and living 1900 miles from the coast is a hardship for them, but their work is there…shipped these to them for their christmas treats…canned more for myself as well…trying to figure out how to can crabmeat without it getting overcooked in the process…
    planning on a jerky-a-thon this week with the deer and some good grass fed beef from another rancher buddy…and finishing up the mushroom drying madness…figure I have a years supply of boletus and chantrelles now…tried out my new bean sources…the gigantes were awesome, and the scarlet runners, calypso’s and colorado river beans all heirloom and all from Purcell Farms out of Idaho are amazing…a little pricey, but they are not treated and are all sproutable and growable so will be testing that theory out in the spring and summer of 2012..
    so I was a little too busy to worry about Black Friday..or spend Friday as well call it…stayed home and enjoyed my family’s company…much more satisfying!
    hope all had a great Thanksgiving…
    Breadmomma

  54. Pretty much all I did this week was discuss survival with the hubs. He pointed out that the area we are living in isn’t conducive to “hunkering down” situations. It’s either a hurricane bad enough that the house will be unlivable and the food ruined, or nuclear fallout.

    He had the additional idea of getting motorized hurricane shutters for our next place; really low-profile.

    I told him about wanting the hand-cranked phone charger. We also decided on buying a proper container for potable water instead of wondering about plastic-leach. Both purchases are held off for closer to next hurricane season.

    I hate guns, so I’m leaving it up to the hubby to narrow the choices and then drag me to the range to see if I have a preference. I understand the importance of being competent enough that I hurt an intruder instead of myself.

    I do want to find an archery range and learn how to fletch my own arrows. It would be much more practical to have an easily-sustainable ammo for hunting small game.

    • Kelekona,

      Driving a car is more dangerous than owning a gun – once you start shooting your fear will go away.

    • Kelekona,
      In the 90s I bought a pistol for my wife and took her to the range to practice. She never said anything to me but she told the kids that she hated it and I forced her to get it. After the initial outing she would never go to the range.

      Fast forward to 9/11/01. She changed her attitude about the pistol and started asking to go to the range. It is loaded and kept where she can get to it.

      A gun is a tool. So is a hammer or an arrow. It is best to adapt now while you have the luxury of time.

    • Kelekona,

      I took a women’s only gun class a couple of weeks ago and the experience really helped me. We had half classroom time to learn about gun safety, the different kinds of guns and ammo, gun laws and the other half of the time was spent on the range.

      I am completely for guns. My brother and his girlfriend were walking out of the mall through a dimly lit parking lot. Some guy came at them with a screwdriver. My brother told his girlfriend to get in the car and lock the doors. And then he pulled his Glock. The guy dropped the screwdriver and froze. The guy was looking to rob folks when they came out of the mall with all their packages. Because my brother carries, he didn’t get robbed or stabbed with the screwdriver.

      I have actually come to the conclusion that owning a gun and knowing how to use it is a moral obligation. If you are able-bodied and sound of mind, you have an obligation to protect yourself and your own. By putting down attackers, you stop the elderly and others who cannot defend themselves, from getting attacked. Basically, if everyone carried, there would be less crime. The consequences of threat to life should be immediate and fatal.

      • Amen to your last paragraph, Gayle!

        • breadmomma says:

          ditto…took the concealed carry class here recently and it was a good tune up for handling my guns…keeping it safe and sound on the wet Oregon coast.

  55. I need some more homework advice from the Wolf Pack. I am sort of blowing OPSEC this week and doing my last speech of the semester on being prepared. I feel like I am relatively safe because none of the kids in the class have any idea where I live or even what my last name is (I’m guessing most of them don’t even know my first name). I don’t have any problems coming up with content for the speech but my problem is coming up with my sources. I am obviously referencing this site but I have to have 3 more that are considered credible. I figure I’ll use FEMA but beyond that I’m at a loss since most of my info is either from here or from my head. Any suggestions?

    As far as prepping this week, I managed to snag some pretty good deals the day before Thanksgiving so I have a lot of new baking supplies and canned goods added to the pantry.

    Not sure if this counts as prepping or not, but the hubby replaced all of our circuits in the breaker box and ran some partial new wiring. He is still working on the rest of it so we will eventually have all new wiring in the trailer. He also replaced the four big fuses that are outside at the post. He took one of the old ones with him to the hardware store and the guy helping him looked at it and told him they hadn’t carried those in over 15 years, so I’m guessing it was time for an upgrade anyway.

    One of the plans for the wiring includes running a red outlet that is hooked up to a solar panel so we could still have power to the fridge and freezer in a grid down situation. We’re still working on the exact specifics on this, but at least I have him thinking about it now.

    • try USGOV.org they always have a set of rules, also lds.org the mormons have a ton of ideas

      good luck on speech

      suga

    • thesurvivalmom is another good site… lots of lists. foodstoragemadeeasy is fluffy and geared toward newbies.

      A few homesteading and thrifty living blogs I have encountered tend to cross over with prepper skills.

    • Nor Cal Ray says:

      American Red Cross also has a good deal of info.
      Ray

    • Tigerlily,

      I would recommend breaking prepping down into several categories: perhaps guns, food, water, tools and gear, and gardening. That way you could have a source for each category–e.g., you could site the LDS food storage calculator for under the “food” heading. You could cite your state’s requirements for concealed weapons permit under “guns”. You could site M.D.’s site for gear. I am sure you could find a good site on survival gardening–perhaps one that talks about the differences between real seeds and GMO crap.

      I really am a book worm nerd.

      • Tigerlily,

        Instead of thinking in terms of writing a speech for a class think in terms of what websites you would direct a new prepper to. Use M.D.’s book for topic headers. Where can you go to sign up for a first-aid class? Where can you go to learn home canning? Where can you go to learn how to garden? Where can you go to learn how to shoot?

        • I would have done something more along those lines, but we have a specific format we are required to follow for the class as far as how it is written. He gave us free reign with the topic as long as it was a persuasive speech with a call to action and we have to use logos, ethos, and pathos. Plus I have an 8 minute time limit. Basically, I have to scare them to death with all the reasons they should prep, and then tell them how in only 8 minutes, so I kept it down to food, water, and heat/cooking source. I’m going to direct them here in my conclusion so they can learn all about the rest of it for themselves.

          • Hunker-Down says:

            Tigerlily,

            If you want to scare them, try;
            No groceries, no medicine, no doctor, no dentist, no running water, no flushing toilets, no heat. So….how are you going to keep from getting sick?

            • Start off with asking them. ” If the power went out for just 3 weeks, what would they do?” What is in the pantry and freezer? Could they flush their toilets, could they take a shower, could they brush their teeth. Can they cook? Is there gas in their cars? Do they have cash for a motel room? Just how inconvenienced would they be? Where do you live? What natural disaster is most likely to occur? Use that.

            • Good questions, Worrisome. Tigerlily, you could also add, what in your frig would remain eatable after 48 hours?

          • [have to scare them to death with all the reasons they should prep,]
            show them this
            http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2009/08/12/vulture-stalking-a-child/

            • I saw this photo many years ago, and it changed me in very important ways. I eat every grain and piece of food off my plate now, and think of this child regularly. The amount of food we waste is incredible. BTW…as it says on that page, the journalist who took this pic committed suicide a little while later. He had seen so much suffering, and been unable to do anything about it.

            • LurkerBob,

              I think you are right here. Tigerlily, this would scare the crap out of most college students. You could ask, “What separates us from these folks?” and “What would you do if the trucks stopped running?”

            • That photo just brought tears to my eyes. That has to be one of the worst things I have ever seen. I am definitely using it.
              Gayle, I just finished my intro before I logged back on here and one of the lines in it is exactly “What would you do if the trucks stopped running?” I also mention that all the McDonalds would close and Walmart’s shelves would be empty. If that doesn’t scare a college kid, I don’t know what will.

            • Jarhead 03 says:

              Lurker, had my share of seeing that to last 10 lifetimes. Escorting UN food shipments because the klans and warlords would raid the convoys. I saw as a a 21yo what happens when armed group of gangs (klans) took what they wanted from who they wanted while children starved.

              Chance favors the prepared!

            • LurkerBob, shocking and profound photo – had not seen it before.

              Almost 20 years have passed since it was taken – yet things are as bad now, as back then…the despair continues.

            • Tigerlily,

              Do a Google image search for “Katrina” and “empty store shelves”. That will scare folks.

            • One more thing, Tigerlily. You don’t have to blow OpSec; you can note that FEMA recommends that every American has 2 weeks worth of supplies because emergency personnel might not get there within 72 hours.

      • Oh, and best thing about Wyoming…the only requirements here for concealed carry is that you must be a legal resident over 18 with no felony. We don’t have permits.

    • Tigerlily,

      Here’s a source that you absolutely need to site under the heading: do you know what happens when the trucks stop running?

      http://gherkinstomatoes.com/2009/11/10/14837/

    • Rob in Ontario says:

      Tigerlily- here s a little story to tell them —– there was a weather broadcast for heavy rains and possible flooding – this couple took no heed in it and trusted in the Lord to protect them- later that day as the water was coming in the basement their neigbours stopped by and asked them to leave with them they refused – a few hours later the fire dept stopped by as the water was on the main floor and they refusedto leave- “we trust in the Lord to protect us” – that night as they are sitting on the roof of the house the police came along with a boat and asked them to get in and they refused and said “we trust in the lord to protect us”- early in the morning as they cling to their anttena the coast guard fly over and throw a rope down and yell climb up- they refuse and said “the Lord will protect and save us ” as they walk thru the pearly gates and ask God why he didn’t save them he said” I sent weather reports and sent your neighbours over and the fire dept and the police and the coast guard’” moral is to look and listen and help yourself and accept help but until that arrives your on your own

      • Jarhead 03 says:

        Rob in Ontario, love that one. Seen it before in different variations and situations but gets the point across very well.

  56. Hope everyone enjoyed their feasts! We sure did! My oldest daughter showed up for our meal with a tooth ache, dug around in my GHB, gave her the clove oil. She was skeptical, but was amazed how much it helped!

    Prepping was really slow this week, but we did get our 225 gallon caged water tank hooked up to down spout, it rained last night can’t wait to see how much we collected.

    Plants are continuing very well in the greenhouse. And we had fresh carrots from our Fall garden with our Thanksgiving meal.

    Had friends over last night, shared my GHB contents with them. They are all trusted friends that I hope will get on board!

    Hoping that I can get on with more preps this next week!

    Everyone be safe and prep on!

  57. What is the safest most inexpensive way to buy silver? What can I expect to be paying now? I am interested in buying silver coins. Is the price dictated primarily by the spot price? What sort of margin above spot is standard? Thanks Wolf Pack. Russ

    • Russ8541

      If you are looking for pre-1964 silver coins, expect to pay 20 times face value; for silver dollars, a bit more, somewhere between $22.00 to $25.00. Even with the silver market down, the dealers are staying with these prices. I work in estate liquidations and have this information from the silver buyers that come to our sales. I prefer the “junk silver” over buying new silver coins because of the premium and shipping expense on new coins. Also, I don’t want my purchases tracked. Look for coin shows in your area, they are held here in Florida every couple months, admission is usually free.

      • To determine what the market says coins are worth (pre-’64 or otherwise) I use Coinflation.com . It also talks about the melt value of nickles and pre’82 pennies.

  58. button crazy says:

    Hope that everyone had a nice Thanksgiving. I purchased a case of tomato sauce and corn at Wal-Mart this week. Beginning in Dec. because my husband works for Wal-Mart we get another 10% off some food purchased in the store. A lot of food sales then with sale prices that makes some items great prices. Also got a small freezer in a estate we purchased. Great size for us. I can set it on a cabinet top next to Ref. Hope everyone has a great week.

  59. The BOBs got a major tackle box upgrade after I found some small compartmentized plastic boxes on sale (2 for a buck). Had to find something to put in them. Besides the usual bobbers, line, hooks, and sinkers, added a couple panfish jigs, spinners, and a bag of Gulp! artificial nightcrawlers (which sadly were too large for the little box). Reviews on the Berkley Gulp products are pretty good, and I needed something for bait if natural wasn’t available. Will have to see how the worms, goo, and plastic packaging holds up to freezing temps in the truck BOBs… Anybody have any experience with these?

    Besides that, just added about 2 cases of canned food from the After Thanksgiving sales to the pantry, candied yams and cranberry sauce mostly. And some .22 plinking with my Nephew.

    • Nor Cal Ray says:

      Red
      You might want to try the Gulp Redworms. Smaller size as well as smaller bag. Dont know about freezing but I can tell you the bag begins to separate and leak within about a year even unopened. Once opened they have a tendency to dry up within a short period of time as well as the bag leaks once opened.
      Ray

  60. talked my husband into buying me a 410 shotgun, and then surprised him when I asked for a 30-06 Remington. Took them home with some extra shells to pratice with and surprised him again that I could shoot them both with near center shots at 25 yards for the 410 and 100 yards with the 30-06. The shotgun is for rabbits and pests and the 30-06 is for bigger game.
    have a great day,
    that was how I pepped this week
    suga
    ps: love the forum/blog Mr MD

  61. Heads Up: Kmart has the 12-roll package of Scott TP for $6.99.

    • Vienna (Soggy prepper) says:

      You know it’s pretty bad when I’m reading through all the posts in my email box and run across one for Scotts TP and I get all wide eyed and excited over 12 for 6.99! Which is a great price btw. Only wish we had a Kmart closer then 40 miles away!

    • Hunker-Down says:

      Super-Shopper strikes again! Thanks for the heads up, we need all the help we can get.

    • Your deal alerts are really helpful and much appreciated. Thank you, Gayle.

      • How do you store all the TP without worry of mice?? I’m still reeling from the mouse a couple of weeks ago. One mouse so far caught, but 3 weeks of cleaning out every nook and crany in the house. Thanks.

        • NorCal,

          I have three cats, and a dog who plays catch the moving thing too.

        • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

          NorCal Ray, get some of those big Rubbermaid totes and put your TP in them. They usually go on sale this time of year (for storing Christmas ornaments).

  62. I was thinking that I wasnt going to have anything to report this week, but I got to thinking about it and when I went to the store to pick up a few things for Thanksgiving dinner, I also picked up a few “extra” cans of cream of something soup, and salt. When I went to the second store (go figure, the first was out of a couple of things) I found some mashed potato pouches on sale so picked up some of those. Not much but still I added something.
    I also managed to cook my first turkey. I am happy that not only did I not poison anyone, it actually turned out really good.
    Other than that I continued to work on a couple of crochet projects and downloaded some more crochet patterns.

    • Congrat’s on the turkey. I know how you feel – it’s a nice sense of self accomplishment when everything goes well.

  63. Denise in Northern Ireland says:

    Hello M.D..
    Its been a few months since I have been on.
    Well my daughter in Australia had a little girl, and when she was two days old she turn blue. They then did alot of tests back and forward and finally have decided that she sleeps so deep that she stops breathing. So I flew out for a couple of months as it was very stressful for my DD and her OH also I needed to be there and see her incase something happened.
    I am happy to say she is doing well she sleeps on a mattress monitor that will sound an alarm when she stops breathing and also she wears little magnets on her chest which gives her a little jolt to start her heart again.I must admit I am very proud mum, my DD and her OH have been brillant while I was there they did a cpr course, also they dont panic when the alarm goes off.
    So I have returned home, my OH stayed with family on the farm so he wasnt alone.
    As you know all my children and now grandchild live in Australia, they would like us to move there. They think it will good for their Dad to have all there support .
    So thats were I am at the moment.
    I will start to prep again this week as I need to do an inventory first.
    I hope everyone is well

    M.D. Before I left your Mother was unwell, how is she now.

    God Bless

    • Denise,

      Good to hear from you again – glad your granddaughter is doing better, but that still must be stressfull. We eill all keep here in our prayers. As for my mother she is doing fine now – thank you for asking.

    • templar knight says:

      Denise,

      It’s a pleasure to hear from you. Many have wondered each week what might have happened to you, so we are grateful to have you back. Your family seems to be coping well with the granddaughter. Is this something she will grow out of I wonder? We will keep her in our prayers. What’s her name?

      I’m thinking out loud here, and wondering whether you and your DH might prosper in Australia. I hear it’s a wonderful place for the most part, and would be a much better place if the SHTF than where you are now. And your children would be there to support you and DH. Of course, it’s not home, and I well understand your attachment. It would be impossible for me to leave the US. For better or worse, I’m going to live and die in the land of my forefathers.

      • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

        tk, you have perfectly expressed exactly what I was going to write in response to Denise. We are definitely on the same page, my brother.

        Denise, I’ve been wondering what happened to you. Good to read you are still alive and kicking! My suggestion: you should be with your family. It is difficult being isolated or far from those you love. Move to Oz and enjoy the support your children will provide you and your husband. Do it soon, before air travel is nonexistent. It will be lots of trouble and expense, but the rewards will undoubtedly make it worthwhile. Besides, that little granddaughter of yours needs her grandmother nearby.

        Stay in touch, please. Regards, LP.

  64. blindshooter says:

    MD, hope the trailer move is going OK? Gonna get good and cold soon……

    Worked on the last of the storm damage, still have a huge pine on whats left of a shelter. It’s not mine but the guy that owns it told me I could have a large pile of poplar boards that are holding the big pine up if I would help him get the mess cleaned up. Trimmed/pruned the old pear tree, I don’t intend on letting them go to waste next season.

    I have got to bear down and find some kind of driveway alert system, I keep catching people driving through to get to a pond behind my place. The drive is part of an easement so I can’t gate it but the guy that owns it all told me to run off anybody that’s not on a tractor. I’m going to approach him about setting a gate at the back to stop them from going through and giving him keys to the lock. He is afraid some idiot will drown and get sued, I just want to stop the traffic by my place. The drive alert is not to stop them but give me a heads up when I’m home so I can “talk” to them.

    I bought two more turkeys @ .39 lb and a flat of canned pumpkin. I give the canned pumpkin to my old dog to keep him from getting “stopped up”, he loves it.

    Hope everyone has a great week and stay safe.

    • blindshooter,

      Can’t move it with a truck – I’m on top of a steep hill and a truck can’t make it to the top pulling the mobile. I’m going to have to have a dozer pull it to the top of the hill. I’ll probably stay where I am until spring and move it then. Need to save some money anyway…

    • sistaprepper says:

      I have a driveway alert. I got it thru my security company. It is set a certain distance from the road so that people turning around won’t trip it. It sounds in the house and outside incase I am working out back. It detects mass so even the lawnmower sets it off. I have had it for about 6 years and wouldn’t be without one!

      • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

        What’s the brand and model of your driveway alert?

        • sistaprepper says:

          I tried to look in the box mounted in my phone room. I cant see any brand, but a company called Sonitrol installed it. I will have one in the next place I build. I have a 600 ft driveway and I always know when someone has pulled in. People always find it odd that I am at the door when they reach the top of the driveway.

    • blindshooter-i’m glad you mentioned the info regarding the canned pumkin. i’ve another dog (little girl) who had to have colon surgery several years ago and she’s on a powdered lax. the pumpkin is good to know in case of an emergency. thank you

      • Hi Pam S

        It works the other way as well for the pumpkin, it helps make them regular, but it will also work to help slow down the runs and it can also be used as weight loss tool for both cats and dogs, they eat less calories but feel full, so they don’t beg near as much..

  65. Actually completed my first knitting project in many years. Skill development is good. Canned and stored some applesauce. Dehydrated lots of inexpensive celery. Tried a recipe for roasted radishes. Worth repeating. It’s important to me to be able to put whatever to more than one use. Went thrift store shopping and came home with canning jars and a lovely red cardigan with green trim which does not have a specifically Christmas theme, but can warm me any time.

    • Congrats on your knitting project, so what did you make? Was if for you or for gift giving? I would be interested in the recipe for roasted radishes? Please an thanks.

  66. Tinfoil Hat says:

    A little light on prepping this week. Did make a trip to BJ’s where I got 36 rolls of TP, 48 AA batteries and some cough drops. Otherwise, spent a lot of time shoring up my house (new fence sections, cleaned gutters, replaced a few deck boards, installed water shut off valve for 2nd floor) before winter settles in for good. Also have been racking my brain and organizing my thoughts on my entry into the writing contest. Look for that soon…I hope.

  67. Hi All, I didn’t do much prepping this week, family underfoot all week long. Not complaining as I love the time I spend with them. Started to put together a Christmas list though based upon info obtained over the visit. I buy presents for 15, but everything we do for each other is based upon need or good common sense. Only the children get “wish come true” gifts – there are six of those. As for Black Friday? I agree with all here that state that if this is the way people are willing to act to save a $ over some insignificant Asian made crap, then we are doomed! I doubt that I will even see the inside of a store between now and Christmas……it will all be online or with folks like NorCal Ray!
    I have a pot of turkey soup going that will end up canned on the shelves and will be following that up with canning some ham and beans for the shelves as well. The family wants me to make a big batch of my carmelized onion; orange; cranberry compote, so that will be the final project for this week.
    I still find myself in recovery from the big blast of prepping my clan handled in Oct and Nov. But we had all promised each other, that we would be at least with the ability to self sustain for 6 months and have solid bug out plans but 1/1/2012 and we are there! Most are beyond that. So now it is just a consistent “add on as needed” approach.

    • Nor Cal Ray says:

      Worrisome,
      You can email me at irep4you2@yahoo.com or ask MD to forward your email to my normal email address. Either way I will get back to you as soon as possible. I picked up a few things this week at a warehouse I’m disposing of for a customer. I don’t have enough available to be able to supply everyone so am only offering to our norcal cadre.
      Ray

      • NCR, I saw your post on the stuff you picked up, nice job! I am compiling the lists, those done in Oct/Nov from the prepping and the stuff I heard about during both my visit east and the family’s TG visit here. I have two problem peeps on the list. They want nothing, have all they need, yada, yada. One is in the Coast Guard and is used to making do with small amounts of “stuff” and the other has “everything”………..Have one joining the Navy in a few months as well. The menfolks are the toughest! Anyway, hope to have the list in order by midweek and then you will hear from me………..and thanks Ray!

  68. Tinfoil Hat says:

    Random question/request. Can anyone direct me to the best equipment to purchase to start canning/ jarring, along with an approximate estimate for how much it would cost me to get started? Thank you

    • Tinfoil Hat,

      Here is all you need to get started – it is not difficult.

      • Tinfoil Hat says:

        Thanks MD! Sent to the girl for Christmas ordering. Could you ease remind me of what to do on amazon to help the Blog again (I forgot sorry) . And a probably stupid question is, will this allow me to can my own stews and soups too? (I know that’s probably a dumb question, but I really am totally clueless and new to the canning thing)

        • Tinfoil Hat,

          Just go through the link that I posted. That is it…

        • Tinfoil Hat,

          There are two methods for canning: water bath canning and pressure canning. The set up M.D. recommended earlier is a water bath canner. What you want to can determines what method of canning you need to use. Jams, jellies, salsa, chutney and pickles can be canned with the water bath method. Anything that contains meat or anything that is low acid has to be pressure canned. With pressure canning, the temperature gets hotter than boiling water.

          Repair Mama wrote an excellent article on pressure canning a few months back. Have a look at that. I think it was called “Pressure Canning Meat”. It is a step-by-step instruction guide.

    • Then…get a good book; I think someone recommended the Ball Blue Book of Canning…or something like that…anyone?

      And you’ll need jars, size depending on what you’re canning. I get mine at Walmart and a local hardware store.

      Happy canning!! I taught myself last year with instructions from inside the powder pectin box! I am loving it. I started with jams & jellies…pretty easy.

    • Tinfoil Hat,

      I have the Ball set that M.D. recommended and I am happy with it. Now I use the canner as a soup pot and use an All American Pressure Canner to can the soups.

      I would recommend ordering the Ball set like M.D. recommended, some pint or quart Ball jars and a reputable book on canning. I like this one:

      http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Book-Small-Batch-Preserving-Year-Round/dp/1554072565/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322436587&sr=8-1

  69. Diver Gal (South Fla) says:

    Hey Wolfpack,

    I hope everyone had a fabulous Thanksgiving week with family; it was just my mom and myself this year which made things incredibly peaceful.

    Preps were somewhat slow this week because I despise the holiday crush in the stores, so I avoid going as much as I can.

    I did get 4 of the BOGO 40oz jars of peanut butter at Publix; thanks for reminding me Gayle. I had seen the ad but forgot. Also Publix put out a holiday coupon circular that had coupons on spices so I grabbed a bunch of the different ones that were also on sale.

    That was pretty much it for the foodstuffs. I read ‘One Second After’. It’s been on my ‘to be read’ pile for a few weeks but with work winding up for the season there has been no time. Pretty much made me realize I really need to step up the preps while I can. It’s difficult doing it for houses in 2 different states but since you never know when TSHTF I have no way of knowing where I will be. Hopefully the property in NC but since work keeps me in S. Fla for the majority of the year I need to make sure Im stocked both places.

    On another note, am I able to can stew ro soup after I’ve frozen it? I made up a huge batch and was planning on canning it but my canner won’t hold pressure so I’m waiting on a new one I ordered online. Went with the All American this time. My old one was a thrift store find for $10 so I figured I would have to replace it sooner rather than later. Anyhoo, I have a tone of ham soup in my freezer, so do I just leave it there or will it be ok to can? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Take care everyone and have a great week….
    DG

    • Yes you can go ahead and can your frozen soup and or stew. You are going to love your All American!

      • Diver Gal (South Fla) says:

        That’s what everyone says, I can’t wait to try it out. I just hope it gets here soon, My brother brought me about 30 lbs of apples that a guy gave him for helping to fix a flat. I’m thinking applesauce…. apple butter…. apple pie?!?

        DG

        • Diver Gal, you can use your defective pressure canner to water bath can your apple recipes. And you can probably get a new gasket fo

          • Jeff – don’t know what happened, must have touched something wrong. Anyway, you can probably get a new gasket for your pressure canner, check with Lehmans. Jeff

  70. Hey Everybody! How’s your Mom and them? We had a nice Thanksgiving with my folks, my MIL and BIL, son and his GF, and my sister. It was a nice day.

    We had our traditional anti-Black Friday shopping trip to three GoodWills, a Salvation Army store, the WoodCrafters store, and an Asian market.

    I found some great clothes – several with the original tags. One pair of pants are Boy Scout uniform Switchback pants – the legs zip off to make shorts.

    I scored a cast iron kettle that is absolutely rusted on the inside. I’m thinking of letting the DH work on it with his metal brushes. Does anyone have experience with salvaging a rusted tea kettle? How should I go about it? What would you use to reseason it? Should I just make a nice doorstop out of it?

    Take care!

    Mominem

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Getting all of the rust out of a cast iron kettle could be a big challenge. Is it a tea kettle? The spout could be hard to clean, unless your husband has a small brass bristle brush or a strong toothbrush. If it’s not a tea kettle, it may not be so difficult to clean up.

      If you can get rid of the rust, then coat the entire kettle (inside & out) with a thin layer of cooking oil and place it in the oven for a few hours on low so the seasoning can be replaced. This may take more than one application.

      • Mominem,if your husband is a tool guy then he will probably have an angle grinder. They make a seriously stout metal bristle (wire brush)) that attaches to the angle grinder. I bought some assorted cast iron that was so rusty I wouldn’t have considered buying it until I saw the price tag. I tried several things and was about to give up when I spied the wire brush attachment at lowes. It cleaned the cast iron so well that I was totally amazed. I seasoned them all and have used them to cook with often Incan effort to get them fully seasoned and not prone to rusting again. Brad

    • breadmomma says:

      I am with lint on this one…scrub it out good with steel wool, rinse thoroughly, heat up, coat with oil, heat up some more in oven and don’t use detergent ever on these things, with use, the blacker they get, the better they get…I have one that is over 150 years old and still use it weekly…found it in a garden being used as a planter about 40 years ago…cleaned it up and it is as good as new……with the tea kettle…I just use mine for humidifying the room from the wood stove…the iron is just too much to try to keep up and too much iron plays havoc with the heart…

    • Wellrounded says:

      We’ve been using electrolysis to clean up an assortment of tools and kitchen ware. Search “electrolysis cleaning cast iron”, its easy and cheap to do.

    • sistaprepper says:

      now I find your post! See below, I have the perfect recipe!

  71. Copperhead says:

    Not much prepping done this week. Busy with preparing for Thanksgiving and all that goes with it. Now have a backache! :) Just can’t do the work I did when I was young. I am winterizing my BOB/GHB with little heating packets, warm blanket etc. Yesterday was bitter cold and extreme winds, so reminded me what all I need for the winter in it. Maybe this coming week will be more productive.
    All take care…

  72. Wandering around Wal Mart and I saw some discount canning jars for about half the price of Ball jars. Chinese made, and marketed as canning jars, they came with lids and bands. Anybody used them?

  73. Jarhead 03 says:

    Prepped Cold Weather Gear this week and a trip to the hospital.
    Took advantage of the Big5 Sporting Goods sale on snow gear for local trips to the mountains, up north or back east.
    Snow Boots
    Snow Shoes
    2 Plastic Sleds for pulling gear and fun on the slopes
    2 Snow bib pants
    4 pairs of thick socks
    Snow Gloves

    First Aid Preps
    4X4 Gauze
    Large Band Aids
    Knuckle Band Aids
    Self Adhering Tape
    Added 30 800mg Ibuprofin and a thumb splint last night.

    Tested my cold weather preps by camping and hiking with my nephew up in the local mountains that got about 10″ of snow on the last storm. Enjoyed the slopes on the sleds, found some tracks and caught two rabbits with the air rifle. Had some pine needle tea among coffee and hot chocolate.
    Did some time on the slopes with the sleds and snowball fights. Got hit by a basketball sized snow and hyper extended my thumb and sprained it. Good times!

  74. Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

    Thanksgiving was fine, but no opportunity to discuss prepping. Football took their attention.

    My computer and phone lines are screwed up for some reason. Phone and computer service are intermittent at best. WiFi works through the phone line, so when the phone is bad the internet service is bad. Bummer!

    Need a new refrigerator since the old one decided to spring a leak in the ice maker. Need a new range since the oven doesn’t stay on. Need a new water heater, washer, and dryer. So, once my medical bills are paid off I need to buy new appliances. It’s going to be a financially tough end-of-year, but everything wears out eventually so no surprises.

    NorCal Ray, can’t buy any of your stuff until after the first of the year. Don’t have any spare cash until then.

    Take care everybody and keep your eyes and ears open for tipoffs. Even the MSM is now talking about worldwide financial armegeddon.

    • Lint… Wow. Sorry to hear about the breakdown on your appliances. DW and I had a used washer and dryer that lasted for 15 years before they needed replacing. Ever consider used or scratch-n-dent appliances to help save some money?

    • Nor Cal Ray says:

      Lint
      No problem. Been there Done that. Hopefully we’ll all still be here by then.
      Ray

    • templar knight says:

      Lint, you ever heard of the Maytag repairman? I wonder whether you might get some more time out of your appliances, although it wouldn’t be a bad idea to replace them if they are old. Let’s hope all your Christmas gifts are money. lol

      10-4 on the European financial crisis, and one wonders how this will afffect our markets. It should be quite a ride on the markets Monday.

      • I replaced my washing machine this summer. We have a friend who is a small appliance repairman. He said that if the appliance is more than four years old, it is usually better to buy a new one. (It will usually cost $70 just to have a guy open the back of the washer. And for $275 you can get your hands on a cheap washer.)

        The best place I have found to buy appliances is Lowes. If you actually go into the store, they usually have floor models that they no longer stock. You can pick up appliances cheap.

        If your appliance is a newer one, you can find videos on youtube that will show you how to troubleshoot a given appliance and do the repair.

    • Hello Lint, was wondering where you were – can discuss prep all you want with the rest of us.

      If you have to choose what to replace first, go with the refrigerator, as you don’t want to chance eating food that hasn’t been kept chilled enough. You and your health first remember.

      And when SHTF – range will be replaced by a dutch oven anyway.

      Do you have an electric fry-pan you can use to cook your roast meat and veges etc.

      Are you able to rent a washer/dryer in the interim…until you can pick up replacements from craigslist – or put an ad up at the community/shopping centre for a good second-hand one.

      Garage sales ???

      See if your local electrical goods stores have any demo models they are going to upgrade, e.g., they have complete kitchens set up so people can browse – however, after a couple of years their display is completed replaced with the latest models -and you can get a great top- of- the- range (pardon the pun) range, never used – for a lot less and with the full warranty period attached.

      Also, if you frequent a particular store for all the items – tell them what you intend to purchase from them – one item at a time, and you want a huge discount 30%-40% on the first item, and also, ask if they will allow a lay-by arrangement, that way when you work your way down the prioritized list, you will have some of the items partway paid for.

      Or ask if they have any floor display stock (refrigerator) / washer etc marked right down – and if not – make sure that when they do, they sell it to you – make a phone call every Monday morn to the same sales staff – get to know them – give them your phone number every time you call – the odds are that they will phone you when the new stock arrives and they are looking for floor space.

      You have given a lot of good advice to others, hope you enjoy getting some back. cheers.

      • riverrider says:

        lint, i thought you were a prepper. strap on your headlamp and get your buns to google and look up the manuals of those appliances and fix them, not buy new junk. you can cut out the icemaker and use the fridge for years probly. the oven thing is probly just a small part, or hit the moving sales. improvise, adapt, overcome. the new appliances are junk. we’ve been hunting for a good topload washer for a while. even the maytag(boughtout by GE) are hit and miss. we’ll be ford( fix or repair daily) until it falls completely apart:) good luck buddy.

      • Plant Lady says:

        Hey LP, sounds like you are being given the same opportunity we were given last fall. The washer puked a full load of water all over the floor when the bottom seal failed. This gave us a warning that all the appliances, water heater and furnace were 13 yrs. old and probably were going to go like dominos shortly. With prepping in the forefront of our minds, and things looking more grim each day, it made more sense to get the big wood cookstove w/24 gal. hot water reservoir to replace the furnace, water heater and gas stove before they died…since our forest out back can provide all the fuel needed. And put up a couple clotheslines to replace the dryer. The peace of mind knowing we will have heat, hot water, the ability to cook/bake and to dry clothes faster indoors in inclement weather, no matter what, is priceless. And if we get one more year of “normal” before TSHTF, the $2,000 we can save on propane will allow us to replace all the modern appliances…if TEOTWAWKI isn’t immiment. Otherwise that money can be used for further much-needed preps, or just to get by in better shape with all the ever-increasing prices on everything.
        I have been so worried that we haven’t had the time to install the cookstove yet (although we have everything we need to do so)…but turns out that was another little “heads up” from God. Plans have changed for the better…see my post below later tonight.
        But, we did give in and buy a new washer…with MIL here and partially incontinent, it was pretty much a necessity for now.

    • Hunker-Down says:

      Lint Picker,

      We are in the same situation regarding appliances and I am worried that they may greatly increase in Price shortly. Please share any research you do regarding your selections.
      There is always too much of the month left at the end of the money.

      Here is one place we found; http://shopcompare.net/products/Gas%20Water%20Heater/&sort=rating&

    • Best Buy had some great deals on Whirlpool appliances this weekend. Why Whirlpool? They’re made in America and I bought mine brand new 8 years ago. Last weekend the washer went out. Fired up Google for troubleshooting and found out the lid switch was a common problem. Tested, purchased, replaced and washer up and running in 4 hours. Total cost $50 vs the repair man to just come out and look for $65. We purposely bought the no-frills version of these appliances so there would be less to go wrong with them. When I opened up the washer I liked another feature. they were put together in a way that made them easy to repair and the components were modular to save on troubleshooting time. So I would recommend this brand to the pack.

      • Whirlpool was one of the brands that our appliance repair friend recommended. They are well made. He also said that with appliances, do not get a cheap made in China one. The break down and they cost a lot to fix. He also said be cautions about Sears–some of the Kenmore are made here and some are made overseas. And the sales people often don’t know which is which.

    • Lint, another thought…is there an appliance repair shop you can phone.

      Sometimes when new washers are purchased and delivered, the older washers are taken back to the store by the delivery drivers, and then these are collected on a regular basis by repairers who have their own store – and on-sell the now repaired washers that are in good working order – with a 3-6 month warranty period.

      • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

        I’m ba-ack. Phone repairman showed up today to fix the wiring and repair the damage done by the squirrels and woodpeckers on their cable. Living in the woods with the wild critters has its drawbacks at times. So computer and phone should be good until next fall, when the rain and the acorns and the animals damage the wiring again. The cycle of life….

        My thanks and appreciation to all of you for your comments, suggestions, teasing, etc regarding the recent spate of appliance failures. I spent the entire day (Monday) looking at new appliances. Two things were learned: most brands are owned by just 2 or 3 corporations now. Think of appliances as if they were General Motors, Ford, & Chrysler – lots of styles, options, colors – but all made by a few big conglomerates. Which means there is not that much difference in quality or durability. And the other thing I learned is that the names they put on appliances are as misleading as the words used by politicians. For example: “Commerical grade” doesn’t mean the appliance is tough enough for commerical use. That description is merely used as a marketing ploy. And “Professional” is not any better than “Gallery” (in reference to Frigidaire side-x-side frig/freezer). The only difference is in the hardware used on the two models.

        All this new “knowledge” has convinced me to get my current appliances fixed and then spend the time and do the research necessary to find what I want to replace them. IOW, not going to rush into buying something new until I really study what’s available. BTW, Speed Queen makes their washers and dryers in the USA, so I may be looking at that brand instead of Maytag now that Maytag is made in Mexico. Also, Frigidaire is made in Mexico. The brands I always trusted are now made in Mexico, which makes me a very unhappy consumer.

        Bottom line, kiddies, is I’m not yet totally broke. I’ll spend about $400.00 to get my current appliances repaired, $700.00 to get a new water heater installed tomorrow, and then I’ll take my time looking for the right replacement appliances – all new ones. I want new appliances so I don’t have to go through this process again, hopefully for the rest of my life. If I can get 20 years out of the new appliances like I did out of my current ones, then I’ll die a happy man. Hopefully my appliances will outlive me – how great would that be?!!! LOL For those of you wondering why I’m not installing my own water heater or doing my own appliance repairs, well I’m not as young as I used to be and the old knees don’t like bending and kneeling like they used to. IOW, it sucks to get old. Yes, chloe, I’m moving my body, but not the right parts of it, apparently. :)

        Still waiting on an order I placed with Ready Made Resources before my phone went kapoot. Working on an order from Amazon. Going shopping at Costco on Thursday. They have M&M peanuts on sale again – yippee!! (Sure beats boiled peanuts.)

        Filling the gas tank and the gas cans because gas is going to go up again soon. All that increasing turmoil in the Middle East isn’t going to bode well for gasoline prices. Plus, environmental wackos used the EPA to shutdown the roadbuilding needed to reach oil fields in the Alaska fields. So much for being oil-independent. We got it, can’t get to it, we are one dumbass nation.

        • templar knight says:

          Hey, I can read you know! Plus I just found out they boil the peanuts just prior to pouring the chocolate on them. Hehehe.

          And boy, did you miss out on a doozy of a thread. Don’t go over there, I don’t want you to blow a gasket now that we have you back. LOL.

          • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

            What thread, where? I wanna participate. You can’t tease me like this, tk.

            They boil M&M peanuts before dowsing them with chocolate? Oh crap!

            • templar knight says:

              Lint, it’s the thread by LurkerBob. He threw out the bait and caught a couple of dandies. They now think MD should host their rants. I’m sorry I ever said a word to either one of them. I wasted way too much of my time responding to their nonsense.

              Hehehe…I was just kidding on the M & Ms, but you never know.

            • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

              You had me going on the peanuts. Almost scratched the M&M’s from my shopping list. Good thing you came clean on that little deception, my friend. :))))

        • Hunker-Down says:

          Lint Picker,

          We are in the same situation with appliances. My fear is that they will go up in price 20-30 % in the next few months, hence our rush to spend money we don’t have. lol.

          Thanks for the ‘made in Mexico’ tip.

          • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

            H-D, I think you’re right. Prices are going up on everything. The world’s central banks are printing money like crazy so inflation is only going to get worse. If you really need new appliances, the repairman said Maytag, Frigidaire, and Whirlpool are still good, even if made in Mexico. Buy I’m buying Speed Queen next time I need a new washer & dryer. Speed Queen is made in Michigan.

        • RE: appliances. Maybe a good opportunity to switch to a propane range/fridge and front-loading washer? Off-grid friendlier. Good luck.

          • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

            Can’t have a propane tank in town…I live in town (city limits). I looked at front loading washers – they are too finicky for me. Gotta use special detergent, gotta push the “open” button to open the door, don’t use enough water to clean the clothes, etc., etc. Nope, I’m sticking with the water and energy guzzlers while I can. (I also prefer incandescant lightbulbs – bring on the energy police!)

            But Red, thanks for the suggestions. Always willing to learn, even if I ultimately decline the suggestions.

            • Hmm, I use a Frigidare and the only problem with it is that its spin cycle scares me and it tends to throw most of what I leave on top of it.

              I just buy the cheapest unscented fabric soap I can find. (All, currently.)

              Of course, I’m not trying to open the door while the washer is doing something. Then I would have to push a button to make it stop.

            • LINT:
              Bought the DW a new set of Washer/Dryer at Lowes last year. She wanted front loading and we ended up with a Whirlpool set. No preblems so far.
              I have to admit we have had GREAT luck with our major appliances. This is the 4th set we’ve owned since 1980, and all of the others were functioning when we sold/donated them. Same with TV’s and stereo systems. Last year the TV I bought in 1972 with my 1st tax return finally quit.

            • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

              JP & H-D, for what it’s worth….

              The appliance repairman (an independent businessman) came today and I bombarded him with questions. He said new appliances are fine, and that Whirlpool, Maytag, and Frigidaire are still good products, but they are made in Mexico for the most part. He said even the appliances still made in America are made up of parts and components from around the world.

              However, he told me that many of his customers swear that the older appliances (198os-1990s) were built sturdier and have more steel in them. Based on what I saw on Monday compared to my appliances from 1989, I’d have to agree with his other customers. The shelves are thicker glass in my old frig, the washer is made of heavier gauge steel than the newer ones I looked at. The repair guy wouldn’t come out and say so, but he implied that the appliances I have will last several more years and so long as parts are still available I may as well save my money and keep what I’ve got. So in 5 years, if my current appliances last that long, I’ll buy new stuff. By then maybe Made in America will be commonplace again.

              One final thought: he said Speed Queen makes great washers & dryers, even for the residential market.

              All just opinions, so take them or leave them.

            • Hunker-Down says:

              Lint Picker,

              Thanks for the update. It will be a big help as we shop.

            • Ultra-Prepper Refrigeration:

              http://www.sundanzer.com/

              Less than 700w per day!

              will have to have one for refrigerator and one for freezer.

              Now when the grid is destroyed – you won’t even notice.

  75. The past few weeks have been hectic. I’ve not contributed much to the discussion on the blog, but I’ve lurked quite a bit. We had a tree go down in the backyard during a nasty thunderstorm two weeks ago. We’re counting our blessings that it only killed the chain-link fence, and crunched a corner of our neighbors metal shed. It could have fallen on either of our houses. The tree has been cleared from the neighbor’s yard, the fence has been replaced, and we more-or-less bought a new shed for our neighbor. On a positive note, I think we’re set on firewood for this season!

    So the preps:
    - Worked all of the jobs in an effort to replenish the emergency fund.
    - News, Blogs, Videos. Connecting the dots… I watch a LOT of videos. BCTruck: Nice sunset’s, man! I look forward to a follow-up when you install the mylar reflectors on the oven. I suspect it will improve heating.
    - Download’s for the grab-n-go binder.
    - Preventative maintenance on both vehicles.
    - Routine grocery shopping, though we added extra frozen fruit, canned veggies, and 5 lbs of navy beans. We also picked-up storage containers and a few rolls for the FoodSaver.
    - Canned 14 jars of four-berry jam. Most of these will go towards a holiday basket that will include apple butter and the fixin’s for the Wolfpack easy beer bread.
    - Reorganized our basement storage.
    - A recent hotel stay netted sample sizes of soap, shampoo, and lotion.
    - Reviewed the contents of our vehicles bags.
    - Discovered four traffic flares in the garage the other day. I forgot I had them. Each car now has two.
    - Attempted to make soft soap. It didn’t lather well. I suspect I didn’t use the proper amount of grated bar soap.
    - Discovered that my father-in-law didn’t share my sense of humor when I joked and told him that I used his chainsaw to carve my name in the mud next to the fallen tree. Yeah. Dead silence…

    I enjoyed the Thanksgiving blog entry, along with all of the comments. I am no less thankful for all of my incredible blessings. Thank you to everyone in here for being a part of that. You all rock! Have a great week!

  76. templar knight says:

    I didn’t do any prepping this week, unless you include traveling and visiting with family and friends as prepping. I do. My youngest son was home from Ft. Carson, and a great time was had by all. I do not shop on Black Friday weekend, so I missed all the confusion of the sheeple. I will make a trip to Wally World tomorrow to stock up, and later in the week to Sam’s.

    pam s and BC Truck, I visited your part of the country, and the drought is worse than I had imagined. My sister lives on Lake Claiborne near Homer, La., and the lake is dang near dry, and this is a large lake. And pam, my oldest son took us out to Lake Columbia, and it was just as bad. We have been dry here in No. Arkansas until the past couple of months or so, but we’ve now had over 10 in. of rain this month. I wish I could lend yall some of it.

    Gots lots of work to do this week. The chimney for the wood stove need to be completed, fencing needs to be started for the hog pen, and the garden spot needs to be prepped for spring planting. I’ve got a few greens in a small plot that are prospering. I might just have a mess before long.

    I went outside earlier and I heard flock after flock of geese going over, and snow was falling here in No. Arkansas. Winter is here.

    • templar knight-i’m glad you and the mrs made it safely home. i wish you could send some much needed water this way. our pond has shrunk to half the size. don’t work to hard this week.

    • riverrider says:

      tk, winter is rolling in…yep, we’re supposed to get our first snow this week, just a dusting…..lots of projects left to do. i’m jealous of your hog pen. one big hole in our preps is sustainability. i’m planning on chix next year, and would like to raise a few goats or mini cattle. i was raised raising everything that walks or flies. swore i never would again. never say never:) take care my friend.

      • templar knight says:

        I left out a couple of good things that happened this week, rr. Must be my age, lol. I bought a live hog trap from my nephew, and I got gasoline in Little Rock for $2.98 a gal. That’s the first time I’ve bought gas under $3 for a while.

        • riverrider says:

          tk, 2.98? a gallon? sure it wasn’t 4/5th’s a gallon? :) geesh, its 3.13 here and we thought THAT was good….live hog trap, is that for trapping wild hogs or getting your hands on your “tame” ones? never heard of one.

          • templar knight says:

            rr, the hog trap will be used to trap live hogs with the intent of getting the piglets to start a herd. Any of the larger ones would be harvested as they would be impossible to tame. We have a huge problem with feral hogs around here, so I want to be ready to take advantage of a resource that will be depleted at some point after the SHTF. I’m going to set the trap this week and see what I get, if anything. The larger ones are pretty savvy, and difficult to trap, or so I’ve heard. I’ll let you know as this is a work in progress.

            By the way, the guy was here today to put the chimney in, and he is going to use OP’s suggestion to put it through the wall. He will be back tomorrow to start the process. He didn’t say anything about the EPA, or needing permits, or anything like that, so I’m about to join you with wood heat. Now I gotta cut some more wood.

            Take care.

            • The area I lived in Cal was full of wild Russian Boar (originally cut loose from the Hearst estate). They had become a big nuisance, actually….rooting up everyone’s crops. A neighbor had caught a couple, raised and bred them. Mean as hell, but tasty. And the piglets are the cutest things: about the size of a coke can at first…look like little watermelons with their stripes. There’s nothing tastier than Boar/Pig. One of the best meals I ever had was an in-the-ground roasted Boar. Good luck with the trap! Hope you don’t get a skunk, like we did once. But I imagine there’s enough room for a skunk to go through the trap mesh?

  77. Mark,I planned on re-doing the reflector when I get home this time (I’m headed there as I type,yippeee) but I spent the rest of my gun sales money on a brand new camera and a tripod. Since I’m ten thumbs when it comes to tech stuff,it’s gonna be a long two weeks learning how to use the camera and edit and upload. I’m trying to put a little more quality into my vids. Since im bumping 500 subscribers now ,I feel an obligation to take my channel a little more seriously including content and video quality. You mentioned reorganizing your basement. Of all the things I miss about new England (fall colors) the basement is the biggest thing I miss. Warm in winter,cool in summer and quiet as a mouse. In louisiana the water table is so high they don’t have basements here. Glad you got your tree cleaned up. Every chainsaw needs a good mud dipping now and them,,,,,, it cleans the carbon fouling out ;)) brad

  78. You people are killin’ me! I’m trying to get all the good ideas copied into a word doc, and they just keep coming and I can’t keep up! But I’m not really complaining,…this is just my way of saying THANK YOU!! :)

  79. mountain lady says:

    Here it is, almost noon on Monday, and I finally got around to reading this weeks post. I survived the Thanksgiving holiday, and we had a wonderful time. Our friends arrived last Wednesday with all the trimmings for the 5 days, and she in her cast on her arm. I basically did all the prepping, cooking, and cleaning up and am totally exhausted, but it was well worth it. The Christmas tree is up and decorated, we watched at least 2 movies a day, mostly old black and whites, and after a nice afternoon nap, I expect to be back to normal. No actual prepping, but she did have more questions on prepping, and I hope she starts doing it soon. Keep well, Wolf Pack, and prep like this is your last chance. I have no idea how much longer they can extend and pretend that all is well.

  80. Vienna (Soggy prepper) says:

    Senate Moves To Allow Military To Intern Americans Without Trial.

    http://www.infowars.com/senate-moves-to-allow-military-to-intern-americans-without-trial/

    So… How’s that for a fun Monday morning “new’s with your coffee” pick me up. Any bets on whether they pass it or not? Molon Labe.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      MOLON LABE.

      Posse Comitatus

    • Vienna (Soggy prepper) says:

      Holy damn!! I read the Posse Comitatus. I do believe this is different then that bill. Especially if you have more then 7 days worth of food, missing fingers, have guns and weathered proofed ammo. This stinks of bad, bad, bad government.
      Oh, hang on someone at my doooooooooooo….

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD1T61oTrR8&feature=share

      • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

        Posse Comitatus states that the US military will not be used against the US people. NDAA would be in direct violation of Posse Comitatus. Using the National Guard, however, is apparently not a violation of PC. This was shown most recently at Kent State and at Waco (Branch Dividian). Slowly but surely our security is being destroyed by our own gooberment. It’s going to be a bumpy ride, hold on tight.

        • Cliff in Douglasville says:

          I spent a lot of years in the military. If I were in the United States and was ordered to fire upon civilians I would fear for the life of the officer giving that order. I believe we called it “fragging” in Vietnam. Now, if it were an armed mob advancing and endangering my position after being given verbal warnings and warning shots, then all bets are off, but to open fire on a mob of people purely to dispel the mob then it’s not going to happen. I think if you check out the Oath Keepers you’ll find a lot of people with that persuasion.

      • Jarhead 03 says:

        Vienna, lint is right and to my knowledge (open disclosure) the law of PC has only been broken twice (cross training excluded) by President Eisenhower where the 101st escorted students at Central High and papa Bush sending 3rd Battalion 1st Marines into the Los Angeles Riots. I was there in ’92. This off course is post 1900 where the 1800s was full of regions controlled by the Army and US Postal Service had Marines escorting US Mail train shipments.

        • riverrider says:

          j, not really. you can call the national guard militia or whatever you want but it said U.S. ARMY on my shirt, it is more of an army reserve now than homeland defence… waco and ruby ridge incidents involved NG troops and ARMY owned equipment. a federal inquiry determined that SF “advisors” were involved to the point of violating the act as well. i wish i held the same optimism that others here express. my troops were disciplined and would follow orders. the ones giving the orders now days don’t impress me as all that moral or having common sense. in addition the police have been “militarized” over the past 20 or so years. look around at them.. low slung weapons, bloused boots, blacked out or cammied up, masked, toting m4′s, no-knock warrants for even minor infractions, magistrates that write warrants with no probable cause at all. they have become an extension of the military, like the praetorian guard of rome.

          • Jarhead 03 says:

            River, I agree now more than ever the NG is more of an active well trained organization/Army than ever with better training and better gear than any time in history.
            The LE organizations used to train on our base and we cross trained with SWAT teams for current CQB/MOUT operations.
            Yeah they use active duty equipment as it is sometimes hand me downs or purchased for the NG. The laws will need to be changed if “the people” think the NG are no longer a state force, but remember its during times of war the NG is at its best and to the people they think they are weekend warriors. We know different. I have great respect for the NG, your right they fallow orders, lets hope they always do the right thing.
            I’ve also seen like you said SF, HRT and other organizations overseeing training and operations. I worked as a LE agency when I got out and seen these guys occasionally.

            • Jarhead 03 says:

              Thumb is sprained, typing is terrible. Its why haven’t been on much this week. That and I’m training for the new position and its all weird hours ever changing to see if I can adapt to the demands lol

      • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

        Rand Paul for President
        Judge Andrew Napolitano for Attorney General
        Newt Gingrich for Secretary of State
        Mitt Romney for Commerce Secretary
        Ward Connerly for Education Secretary
        Sarah Palin for the new Department of Civilian Arms & Ammo

    • Rarely is there much new under the sun. This legislation is not something earthshakingly new, either.

      I highly recommend you check out the following links carefully to see for yourself. Dictatorial powers already are in the hands of the president. It’s Americans who don’t realize it.

      . State of national emergency, http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=State_of_national_emergency

      . Executive orders (these are existing), http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Executive_Orders

  81. sistaprepper says:

    Someone on here was trying to figure out how to get rust out of cast iron and I can’t find the comment.

    Anyway, I have bought many cast iron supplies at auctions that were rusted. They all look like new now. The recipe?

    1 part water and 2 parts vinegar. I put it in a big bucket (5 gal) and then place the cast iron in the bucket and soak for 24 hours. make sure the whole thing is submerged. After 24 hours, with a wire brush, the rust comes right off. Then I stick it in the oven, dry, coat with oil and its ready to go. I am refurbishing a cast iron cook stove and it is working great. For those parts that are too big to submerge, I use straight vinegar on a sponge. Set it on the affected area for about 10 minutes, then take a wire brush to it. It is unbelievable how well this works.

    I cannot take the credit for this. I found it on “Grandpappy’s” website. It works like magic!!

  82. Heads Up: Next week Publix will have Uncle Ben’s rice 5 lb. bag BOGO ($3.89 per bag when you buy two).

    • Diver Gal (South Fla) says:

      Thanks for the Heads Up Gayle!!

      I don’t get my Pennysaver with the Publix ad until Weds. I have to go tomorrow and but more Peanut Butter while its still BOGO, have a feeling those prices will never go back down.

      DG

      • Does anyone know a way to extend the shelf life of peanut butter? I have a years supply now, but I would sure like to buy more. Has anyone tried putting peanut butter in the freezer? If you can freeze olive oil, I don’t see why you couldn’t freeze peanut butter.

        • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

          Gayle, I used to freeze Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups after Halloween, and they were fine when thawed out a few months later. I suspect PB would be OK to freeze. If there is a consumer help line on the label, you could call it and ask. Sure would like to know what you find out. Maybe I’ll call, too, just to be sure we get the same answer.

        • I think I just found the answer to my question. The shelf life of peanut butter at room temperature is 18 months. That can be extended by freezing the peanut butter; however, there are undesirable results–possibility of freezer burn, the oils will separate, and peanut butter than has been frozen and then allowed to thaw does not spread as well.

          I think I am going to pick up another four jars of Skippy. The price is right.

          • Ms Gayle,
            Spread peanut butter? I eat it with a spoon. (When JoJo is not looking).

            • Ron,

              My dog does the same thing–makes it easier to give him pills. I just smush the pills into the peanut butter and let him lick the spoon.

    • Cliff in Douglasville says:

      Gayle,
      How long will Uncle Ben’s instant rice keep? I had heard it would go bad fairly quickly but I could be confused (again).

      • Cliff,

        This is the regular rice–not the instant stuff. I have never used instant rice. Publix will have the regular Uncle Bens on sale three or four times a year, so I usually buy 20 or 30 pounds, depending on how much I have in my regular pantry. I have rice in #10 cans that will store for 30+ years, but I would prefer not to open that until it’s needed.

        • Cliff in Douglasville says:

          Gayle,
          Thanks for the info. When I think of Uncle Ben’s I always think about the instant rice. I just had several cases of wheat, rice, rolled oats and beans delivered from the LDS website. I ordered 7 cases on, I think Friday, they came Fedex today (5 of 7 cases anyway) with free shipping. It’s all packed in #10 cans, 6 cans to the case. Can’t beat the price or the free shipping.

          I will go to Sam’s Club this weekend. I take the truck. They always have 25 cases of water set out for me on a flat and I’ll pick up several packs of TP and paper towels and cheap paper plates and then after those few essentials I’ll get a 20 or 30 pound bag of rice (needs to be frozen and then thawed before being put up since it comes in cloth bags from somewhere else, and a few bags of beans and I like to pick up the case of individual servings of catsup, mustard, salt and pepper (but not mayonnaise as I don’t trust it) and several big bottles of soy sauce since I put that or Texas Pete hot sauce on almost everything I eat.
          Stay safe.

          • Cliff,

            I have an irrational attachment to Uncle Ben’s rice. I had a friend back when I was in graduate school. He was from Vietnam. The custom throughout much of the world is to wash and sort through rice before cooking it. The idea of buying dirty rice just doesn’t feel right. And since American rice is fortified, washing rice washes off the nutrients.

            I label this as “irrational” because I don’t even know if Uncle Ben’s is grown here in the U.S. (I guess we all have our irrational attachments.)

            I did go to the Indian store and check out the rice there. It was cheap. But it wasn’t Uncle Ben’s. LOL One of these days I am going to get up the courage to buy basamati rice.

            • Cliff in Douglasville says:

              Gayle,

              During my travels I spent some time in the Philippines. Rice was a staple of the local diet and I ate a lot of it. It was far different from the rice they served in the chow halls. Same thing when I was in Japan. We spent a lot of time camping and visiting small towns through out the country and we often sampled the local fare. I could eat the rice any where except for the stuff they served in the chow hall or sold in the commissary. Not totally sure what the difference was but I prefer brown rice to white even though brown won’t store as long and goes rancid quicker. In other countries it never sits around long enough to go rancid before it’s eaten.
              The Philippines had a lot of first for me. I flew in to Clark Air Base during a typhoon and I’d swear Flying Tigers put that plane down on the runway sideways. I snorkeled on a reef about a mile out from Black Beach. Spotted a shark and came out of the water and never touched the side of the boat. Coming back in we ran through a school of flying fish. Really fascinating to watch as they tried to jump over the boat but several needed a helping hand. That trip ended with a wedding feast (not mine) and we had some of the best BBQ ribs I’ve ever eaten. I thought they were a bit small, turns out the were dog ribs but were really fixed right and I lived through it.
              Give the foreign rice a chance. Don’t forget your bottle of hot sauce if you have to season to taste and there’s always soy sauce to help out too.

            • Cliff in Douglasville says:

              Speaking of first, in the Philippines I was exposed to the bar girls eating “balut” which is a fertilized duck egg. After watching that, and it is a delicacy for them, I never could get in to the idea of kissing on the lips while I was there.
              In Japan we stopped at a Ramen noodle shop up in the Yagen Mountains. We ordered the complete set up (and the only Japanese I speak is “fork o cu di si” or fork please since I’m left handed and never mastered left hand chop sticks). It came and it was complete with big chunks of fish, a fish head staring back and octopus tentacles. I was able to fish out some of the veggies and eat some of the rice but couldn’t deal with the fish head and octopus tentacles are very strange to eat. The more you chew them the bigger the piece gets in your mouth and it’s not like any part of it comes off to swallow. Not like calimara at all.
              There are a lot of other first, like being naked in a natural hot spring along the Yagen Riven, down in a valley, when a double decker tour bus stops at the rail by the road and all the windows come down and cameras come out. I guess they had never seen a great white whale floating in a hot spring before.
              Other things will have to stay locked in the secrets locker and you’d have to be an old GI that traveled like I did to appreciate them……

            • Jarhead 03 says:

              Cliff in Douglasville⁠ , you described some good times. I had some of those same memories and events except my times were at Subic Bay, never hit Travis AFB. I still eat balut with some of my filipino friends and have a San Miguel or the occasional Red Horse if someone can bring it home on a flight.

  83. Plant Lady says:

    Excuse the coming babble…I am excited!
    Have been working on rearranging the storeroom, taking stock…and putting wheat, rice, beans & sugar in pails and vacuum sealing other stuff. As I did, God sent me one of those awesome “Eureka” moments! Have been worrying because we have that big beautiful new wood cookstove and everything we need to install it…just no time right now (until spring) to do all that needs to be done and can’t afford to hire someone to do it. And dreading being without a kitchen during the project! Plus, to put it simply, the current kitchen sucks (hehe) and would be even worse with a huge cookstove crammed in the corner. A good kitchen is of vital necessity come TEOTWAWKI…and being without one was causing a lot of anxiety.
    Well, as I worked in the storeroom (former master bedroom) realized the storeroom would make a MUCH better kitchen, especially when TSHTF! Larger than the present kitchen, it can be set up with a U-layout to the east/south/west and the cookstove on the north wall. The storeroom is in the southwest corner of the house, so can have natural light from two exposures – far better than one dinky little window to the north, as we have now. Will even make the front entry and living room work better, as we will be replacing the wall between living room and storeroom with a 3′x6′ eat-on/work-on bar off a proper coat/boot closet right inside the front door. Our old place had a 3′x7′ bar between the living and kitchen areas and I loved it for big projects…processing food and game, making wedding cakes and all the wedding food for up to 300 people, sewing, felting hats and rugs, planting seeds and transplanting, etc., while still allowing me room to prepare meals. And will have room to use that wonderful stainless steel prep table BIL gave us as a work island and to put in the big 3-bay stainless restaurant sink I have been lusting for. Will also give us room for multiple helpers without crowding. Plus we can use the present kitchen while we get the new one set up! Seems like every time I think of the project, I come up with 2-3 more benefits!
    OMG, I am so excited to have found such a wonderful solution that will solve multiple major problems! It won’t be pretty to start with, as most everything will have to be scavenged…except for the cookstove, chimney, ceramic tile & materials for beefing up the floor. And already have saved up half the $ for the big 3-bay stainless sink. Will have the time needed this winter to scavenge for what we can. Plus have the two gas stoves and 2 refrigerators from our old home and current home to use until TSHTF. And can store all the storeroom stuff in our old home and the storage unit we rent once things warm up in the spring and we can start the project.
    Wow, now I am SO glad that we couldn’t get the cookstove installed immediately!!! Gave us time to recognize a much better solution to this and many other problems! Sometimes a roadblock to your plans just means you need to go a different/better way!
    Sure hope we have time to pull this off before TSHTF! It will happen regardless…but sure would be easier and faster with power tools! (hehe)

    • Hunker-Down says:

      Plant Lady,

      Calm down! You’re gonna blow a gasket!

      We hope it all comes together as you want it to.

      • Plant Lady says:

        The gasket already done blew…releasing all that poisonous worry and stress of not being able to install the cookstove yet and the dread of being stuck with a totally unsuitable kitchen come SHTF! Gosh, it is such a massive relief to have two major worries disappear with one great idea.
        I really don’t wanna calm down…life is sort of grim sitting here with MIL watching her lose her “self” with the dementia and die/recover/die/recover from strokes over and over and tensed for TS to HTF before we are “ready”. I want to luxuriate in something that was so bad turning so good!!! I don’t get many opportunities to enjoy true glee (hehe).

        • Plant Lady: I’m in a similar situation (caring for my father as he slowly…oh, so slowly….declines mentally & physically). And I understand the immense joy you feel at discovering a great solution for a troublesome problem. Congrats. Hold that joy! :)

          • Plant Lady says:

            Mt. Woman: Oh, I feel for you! It sure is a hard thing to do…especially being totally helpless to affect the outcome. It was a real trick when I had both MIL and Gramps…holy cow, that pushed me right to the limit.
            But sure is good training for when TSHTF – when everyone will be caring for their own elders…and ourselves in later years! Learned to stock up on mattress protectors, diapers, no-rinse shampoo and body wash, Desitin, extra bedding, hospital bed, portable commode, raised toilet seat with arms, canes, walkers, wheelchair, shower bench, battery-powered baby monitor and easy-on/easy-off clothing and bibs. Making the house elder-friendly now with the wheelchair ramp, wider doorways, grab rails, etc. will make our own elder years far more comfortable.

    • Congrats! sometimes the answer to a prayer is “wait” for good reason.

      • Plant Lady says:

        Thank you! Sure wish I could have figured it out earlier and saved myself a lot of worry, tho’ (duh).

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Plant Lady, it sounds like a great plan. Hope it all comes together for you.

      I am often impatient with projects, just to find out that getting delayed can be a blessing. Guess you learned that as well. LOL

      • Plant Lady says:

        Thanks, LP! Well, I learned in this case that having to wait worked out well – but that is not something you can count on (hehe). Certainly not accustomed to having two major problems being solvable with one good idea! It is so hard to be patient when things look grimmer by the day…and we still have so much to accomplish before TSHTF and so little time. Especially when one little delay could mean we aren’t prepared “enough” and may suffer mightily in result.

  84. Copperhead says:

    Plant Lady, I can almost feel your excitement!! Good for you and do hope you can get at it this coming Spring. It sounds like you have almost everything you need. That can be so comforting. Good luck on your scavenging!
    Blessings!

    • Copperhead: Thanks! I am just so very grateful now that it was impossible for us to get the cookstove installed. If I had come up with the new, improved plan after we had gotten it installed I would have been seriously distraught…and stuck living with it like that.
      It is so hard to know just how far to go with preps – and when. Like us and others…when the modern appliances fail and money is tight, do you replace them with other modern appliances…or something that will work when TSHTF, even though it may currently raise a few eyebrows among non-prepper acquaintances and be somewhat less convenient now?

  85. Kroger in the Houston area has Quilted Northern Bathroom Tissue 12 double rolls for $5.99. I found it at Foodtown a couple of months ago for $4.99 and stocked up then but in my opinion you can never have enough T.P.

  86. Cliff in Douglasville says:

    Texasmomma, may I clarify your statement just a little “you can never have enough of the right T.P.”
    I’m the designated Sam’s Club shopper and I’m always to stock up on Northern T.P., but on one trip they were out so I picked up Members Mark, the store brand. Luckily I only bought about 20 rolls of the stuff. Now there are 2 rolls of TP in the bathroom, mine and theirs. They will only use the Northern and it’s up to my behind to tough it out with the Members Mark. So, it’s always very important to get plenty but to get plenty of the right kind.
    Hell hath no fury like a wife given a roll of something she isn’t expecting.

    • texasmomma says:

      Cliff,
      your wife and I are on the same page. LOL. I’m guessing that after you are finally done with the cheap stuff your lesson will be complete.
      Heck I grew up in Alaska, we had no plumbing, electricity, we are on an island with no cars. We had to order our groceries for the month and it was flown in on a water plane. We had the sears and jc penny catalog. Quilted Northern is MUCH better. I know I can do without, but would rather stock up.

    • Vienna (Soggy prepper) says:

      Hahaha! I bought a box of tp once from our cash-n-carry. I don’t remember the name but it had a rose design on it. Something like 36 rolls. OMGosh. It pretty much started to disintegrate and “dingleberry up” immediately upon contact! I gave it to my oldest every time she came to “shop” at my house. Broke her of shopping for tp here!
      I will only buy Scotts now.

      Ever see that commercial where the guy steps out of the bathroom, calls to his wife for tp, she throws it and shaves off half his hair with it? Second time it explodes in a puff?
      Yeah, like that!

  87. Hi everyone, I have been reading this sight for about 6months now and have decided to stop being chicken and start participating. This past week we canned 70lbs of deer meat and I moved the majority of our preps to our bug out location.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      buckiqt, glad you decided to join us. Welcome to the Wolf Pack.

    • mountain lady says:

      Welcome to the Wolf Pack, and personally, I think moving your preps to your bug out location is an excellent idea.

  88. Another Heads UP: Honeyville has a 10 percent off sale going on. Here’s the info:

    Coupon Code: HOLIDAY

    SUMMARY: SAVE 10% ON YOUR ENTIRE ORDER* from Wednesday 11/30/2011 through Tuesday 12/06/2011. Stock up and save on all of your favorites, and try some of our great new items. Simply enter coupon code HOLIDAY during checkout. ORDER NOW! SALE ENDS ON TUESDAY the 6th of December.

    http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/

  89. Theirdeedee says:

    I’m new to prepping and just stumbled upon this blog not too long ago and have been reading along. What a great resource!

    We face a few challenges with prepping. I have a limited amount of money I can use a month, and we live in an apartment in an east coast city (read – I want to move lol).

    Other than reading, we have started on food storage and organization. I bought some cans, and a few rounds, but mostly organization and space being dedicated to storage.

    Any advice?

    • Plant Lady says:

      Welcome!
      You have already taken the hardest step – realizing the need to prep and making a start. Congratulations!
      And you have taken a great step forward by finding this site. Pretty much everything you need to know can be found here, somewhere. I personally keep a notebook at hand when I read here, to take notes on good ideas I wish to implement.
      And not having a lot a money can be a benefit…you can’t rush into making expensive mistakes (buying a years worth of food you won’t eat, or installing a wood cookstove in a less than optimal position, etc.)
      When you start buying your storage food, store what you already eat…then eat what you store. Don’t rush out and buy just wheat, rice, beans, dry milk, honey, sugar, etc. – unless that is all you truly like to eat on a regular basis.
      Pay serious attention to sales and coupons – buying an item when on sale with a coupon really extends your purchasing power. Once you get even a small stockpile of food & supplies, this is easier, as you don’t “have to” buy something you need at full price…because you already have a few set by and can wait for a sale/coupon opportunity. This is when you will notice your shopping cart contents are different…rather than one of everything you need at that moment – it may hold 20 each of the 5 really good sale/coupon items that week. This is when the savings really start to add up, especially with food prices rising so quickly, because by now you are buying next month’s or next year’s food with current dollars. And it starts to get fun – just like a treasure hunt! And the convenience factor alone pays off…rather than having to stop what you are doing and run to the store for an item you have run out of, you can just step to your storage area and get one! And the peace of mind knowing you can feed your family for a certain amount of time without any money is priceless!
      With the money you can save on food and supplies, you can start buying other prep items…and don’t forget to watch for sales/coupons in this area, also.
      Make as many of your purchases as possible at thrift shops, estate/garage sales, auctions, etc. You can get critical equipment for pennies on the dollar, and it will likely be older, better quality stuff than you can buy nowdays. And don’t be too proud to scavenge your relatives/friends/neighbors attics, garages, outbuildings, gardens, orchards…folks are often very glad to have you cart off things they don’t want or think they don’t need.
      And don’t forget to invest in yourself – useful skills are critcal. Visit your local library and check out books and learn how to grow food and preserve it, raise livestock, firearm use and safety, first aid, basic handyman skills, etc. Take free local adult education and cooperative extension classes Ask people you know to teach you skills they may have. Useful for the long term and short term. For example, if you can make one repair on a car or a furnace, or grow a large proportion of your food, the hundreds of dollars you can save can be used for your preps instead. And once you have useful skills, you can barter those skills for things you need…saving more money for the things you can’t do yourself.

      • Thanks for the encouragement and advice! I already coupon so this shouldn’t be too difficult… I just need to think a little further into the future.

    • Hunker-Down says:

      Welcome Theirdeedee,

      Study operational security (OPSEC). Find out why you need it, then implement it as your situation dictates. Check the archives on this blog for many good ideas.
      If I know you have a lot of stored food, I’m going to be pounding on your door when the grocery store shelves are empty. So, why did you let me see the food at your house?

      Decide what survival skills fit your personality and your circumstances., and develop those skills. Making snowshoes in Kentucky may not be good for bartering, but work well in Maine. What will the folks in your area need that you can build? M.D. says they can take your food or ammo, but not your skills (dang, wish I had one!).
      Realize that you don’t know what you don’t know, but this is the place to ask, so get busy.

    • TD,

      Welcome to the Pack. I recommend that you read M.D.’s post “10 Things to do Now” and “10 More Things to do Now”. That will give you a sound basis.

  90. Theirdeedee:
    Welcome.
    It may appear that there are so many things you need to do at first. I’ve been at this for 10+ years and I still feel that there is so much to be done. Don’t spend time worrying about things that you have no control over. Get yourself organized, set a budget, and stick to the task. Lots of great advise on this site. Start with the basics and work up from there.

  91. OK…I need to say this: I need a glossary of all the acronyms on here! I’m getting lost trying to understand what’s being said sometimes. :/ I guess if it’s important enough, I can ask the poster for an explanation…..

  92. LINT et. al.:
    Just got a pair of flashlights from Lehman’s (http://www.lehmans.com/store/Lights___Flashlights_and_Solar_Lights___Ultra_Slim_Solar_Flashlight___10805113#10805113)

    NEBO solar flashlights. Has a solar panel that is 1.5″ x 3.5″. comes precharged and uses s 3.6V LIR2450 battery. Has a good solid feel to it. Got one for me and one for DW. Looks like I may be ordering a couple more.
    I seen wind-up and other solar lights, but these are the best feeling quality (for chinese) that I’ve seen so far.

    FYI

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      OMG, now I gotta get a couple. JP, I’m sending you the bill. ;) They look really cool, haven’t seen that style before. I got the round solar light that rolls all over my dashboard, but this baby should stay were she’s placed. I’m sold!

  93. Cliff in Douglasville says:

    MtWoman,
    You’ll see a lot of them tossed around. A few that might help are:
    SHTF = Stuff hits the fan
    TEOTWAWKI = The end of the world as we know it
    MRE = Meals Ready to Eat
    BOB = Bug out Bag
    BOV = Bug out Vehicle
    TVP = Textured vegetable protein
    OPSEC = Military abbreviation for Operational Security
    DOMMOM = Dirty Old Man, Master of Mayhem (Me)
    LDS = Latter Day Saints or Mormon
    EMP = Electro Magnetic Pulse – Like from an atomic bomb, it will wipe out the grid (electrical grid).
    Any others, just ask.

    • LOL. I knew all these but the DOMMOM…that’s a good one! Thanks. I’ll just ask when some come up….

    • Cliff,

      You forgot my favorite one–BOGO (Buy One Get One free).

      • Cliff in Douglasville says:

        Gayle,

        The grocery stores around my town put up a lot of BOGO offers on their signage but it’s followed in much smaller letters:
        Bacon 2.99 BOGO for 10 cents off with loyalty card.
        Eggs 2.99 BOGO for half price.
        If I buy one I want to get one given to me, not be given a little discount here and there. They always know it’s me when I get to the aisle and see the qualifiers from the loud “hurummppphhh” coming from my direction. Imagine, if you will, Mr. Wilson from Dennis the Menace, on steroids with steam coming out of his hairy ears and snatching at every clerk that gets within reach (those clerks can be quick on their feet some times).

  94. Hunker-Down says:

    Me too.

    MMFD

    Makes me feel dumb.
    Did I make that up or is it already in use by the two thumb mini keyboard typists?

  95. Cliff in Douglasville says:

    YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary (or you might not get the same results I did since you used old eye of newt)