What did you do to prep this week?

Before we start with this weeks “What did you do to prep this week” blog segment, I would like to thank John F for his support and generous donation via PayPal. Thank you John – you are very much appreciated. :handshake:

Also, I would like to ask for some restraint when posting comments – please avoid personal attacks and name calling of other posters, it is rude, uncalled for, accomplishes nothing and makes us all look bad. The last thing we want is to look like a bunch of sniveling ten-year olds. We are better than that…

And another matter that I feel needs addressing, also taking place in the comments section of the blog, that being the repeated mention and bashing of fellow blogger James Wesley Rawles. The bulk of the comments seem to have one purpose and that is to stir up trouble and controversy among readers of both blogs and possibly Rawles and myself.

One reader sent me an email, to let me know how mad that I should be, because as he said; “Rawles mentioned the Cumberland Plateau area of Tennessee as a retreat location while obviously, referring to Joel M. Skousen’s recent post on The Survivlist Blog for his information, but instead of linking to that post directly he links to some forum with little helpful information. I don’t think he likes you very much.”

Listen, it is his blog and he can link to anyone (or not link as he sees fit) I’m not in competition with him, his blog or any other site. I just want to share information that will help others survive. So, please let’s exert our efforts to that end and leave Rawles alone… Thank you.

Okay, now let me see what did I do to prep this week?

Over to you – what did you do to prep this week… ?:-)

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  1. The Prepper says:

    Came across numerous startling (not sure why things even phase me anymore) articles this week. The following article on big brother demanding customer lists from a TN LDS cannery is mind boggling:


    Something is coming, and I think it’s going to be sooner rather than later. Praying throughout the day is the only way I’ve been able to deal with the onsalught on negative stuff going on. Luckily there is a small ray of hope for us liberty minded individuals:


    • Scary Stuff. I live in Middle TN and didn’t know about this. Thanks for the info.

    • Hunker-Down says:

      The Prepper,

      Thanks for the links.
      Does anyone know of an organization like that referred to several times in the second URL, in Wisconsin?

    • I would tell them the only list that we have is payment by creditcard. I would also tell them to pound sand and remind them of the seperation of goverment and religion. Then I would tell them to pound sand again but I don`t think Mormons operate that way.

    • Tinfoil Hat says:

      Something is very, very wrong here. My tinfoil hat is burning hot over this one….

    • Southern Belle Prepper contacted the two canneries in Tennessee and was told the Oathkeepers were misinformed, that the story is a complete fabrication. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKLnsaQgqc8&

    • prepper – thanks for the link – when I stop hyperventilating in anger, Ill be able to post something intelligible. This is one of the reasons I mentioned opsec on MD’s blog here several saturdays about why I don’t post anymore about how much of what I buy, store, ammo etc. The opposing forces are slowly advancing anyway they can. Last week some one posted the link to Rand Paul’s video renouncing this very action in the bill 1867 ? – it’s here – this shows you – they don’t have the testicles to grow their own (testicles or food) so they have to order others to take from the citizens..sounds like the fuedal days – I will die in freedom, I will not be a slave.

      God bless you all –

    • Prepper, this story just doesn’t sit right with me. The piece was written without disclosing WHAT Federal agency these people were from. The article only ALLUDES to DHS/FEMA but never makes a claim about any one particular Federal agency.

      All Federal agents operating within the DHS structure carry badges. It’s a requirement because of the security structure within the entire agency. Most other Federal agents who operate outside of the physical location would be required to have an official badge that is visible, too. Many are also required to carry licenses, too.

      So if this were a true Federal “search,” why did those “Federal agents” give up so easily? Where are the facts in the article? Where is the info that would be presented with paperwork and what is the name of the agency this article speaks of?

      I think the story is b.s. If this story is true, I would tend to believe there were fraudulent people (posers), trying to glean info so they could have a working list of homes to rob.

      • I just watched a video by a youtuber named southernbellprepper. She knows the people at this cannery and they told her nothing like this happened. Misinformation is as or worse than no information.

    • I’ll be waiting and looking for the church elder’s reply to this tactic. Have to contact some family in Utah and see what they know. I also read the second link – very cool! I too would like to know what has happened to the Reese family – where are they and why? (from a commentors post) i vaguely remember something about this….trying to pull it out of the black hole of my mind.

    • ok, sorry for this third post – I read all the comments and have to agree – WHAT federal agency? Warrant? Id? I purchase with cash, check, debit – form has to be filled out with name etc. so there is tracking of a sort –

      Were they some jackasses who were trying to get names and addresses so they could go and pull home invasions? I think so – tho I wouldn’t put the federales above it.

      So, when, where, who/what agency, warrant etc. It’s still scarey, and still concerning – and a wake up call as to what can and may be happening soon.

      • The Prepper says:

        I truly hope the LDS raid is BS. I know things are seriously screwed (debt, gov’t reliance, etc.), but this would put things in a whole different realm. Thanks for the post to southernbelle’s youtube video!

        • I would not be supprised the way they raided Gibson guitars and some natural milk producers and amish and lemonaide stands. I would not put it past the flying monkeys but I can`t confirm it iether.

    • Matt in Oklahoma says:

      I encourage everyone to stay focused on what is real and what is not and prepare accordingly. The world offers more than enough challenges without false boogiemen and scare tactics. The discussions of politics and hatred seem to come easier than those of skill and usefulness. There are those who will lead folks that away because they themselves have an agenda Matthew 7:15

      Knowledge is Power, Practiced Knowledge is Strength, Tested Knowledge is Confidence

      • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

        Although I agree for the most part with what you say, I can’t help but get ticked off by the politics. Politics in the form of govt regulations, laws, fees, taxes, etc. has invaded every aspect of our lives. Ignoring this fact is largely to blame for why we are in the mess we are currently in. We as a people became complacent and now we see the results of that complacency – it’s time we pay attention to politics as well as emergencies IMO.

  2. Had a busy week, ending/starting with getting a “new” dog, Coffee. Neither one of us wanted to house break a new puppy again, so we went to/thru the local shelter. I think we picked one that will be a good fit with our family.
    Other than that we picked up a few items that were on sale, putting the oatmeal and hot choc mixes is 3.5 gal frosting buckets. Also found our local ranch supply store is now carrying 5 gal water storage jugs (like Wal-Mart and EE), these were $2 cheaper and included the spigot (usually another $2).

    This Weeks Preps:

    More work on the basement

    General Purchases:
    2 5 gal water jugs w/spigots ($7.99 ea w/spigot)
    48 rolls of TP (400 sq ft)
    20 cans of soup (.99 vs 1.49)
    50 ss envelopes of Hot Choc w/marshmallows (.10 vs .15)
    672 ss envelopes of Hot Choc (.08 vs .15)
    4 25g Quik Clot pkgs (7.88 vs, 9.99)
    Wire Dog House for inside the house
    Dog food and extras

    Knife from Cold Steel ($13.99 vs $24.99)

    Dollar Store:
    $18 in Medical supplies
    2 boxes of paper dust masks (6/box)

    Guns & Gun Stuff:

    Food (into Storage):
    8 #10 cans of FD Fruit
    6 #10 cans of Creamy Wheat Cereal
    4 #10 cans of Muffin Mix
    2 #10 cans of FD Chicken

    Plus the new dog!!! Coffee is now being served!

    • Congrats on the new dog, like the name.

      Where did you find the Quik Clot for such a good price? I have a couple of coupons for $2 off and would like to get more.

      • I found these at Wal-Mart. The before coupon price was 9.99 (the 7.88 is an error it was 7.99 after coupon). I found the 50 g on Amazon (I think they have the 25’s too) but I’m now trying to do as much locally w/cash that I can. Plus I think most of my problems can be handled w/the 25’s, of if necessary I can use multiple 25′, (like we did in the military first aid pads).

        • Okay, thanks JP, that is where I got mine too. With my coupons, I got them for the same price too. I was just thinking if they were in the $7 range without the coupon, I would get some more.

          • Nuttbush:
            I understand, iI have been wanting ti get some for quite a while but the money kept going to other things. Then someone (thanks to whoever it was) talked about Coupons.com, I signed up, and there was the coupon. Someone said they were at Wal-Mart, and found them next to the chigger bite medication (I guess for those that travel down South, I haven’t had a chigger attack since OK visit at 11 yr old).
            I now have 2 in my M3 kit (which is in the trailer) and 4 in my M17 kit (at the house but high on the Grab & Go list). Now to start stocking up, doctors can be few and far between outside of town up here.

    • We have a dog named bronco. My wife is from Denver.

      • steve,you want to hear a good one. im just gonna proceed like you said yes. several years ago my wife and i where taking a tanker load from odessa texas to north branford connecticut. we had gotten on 287 and just a few miles before the tappanzee bridge we see and older gal walking along the interstate in sub zero weather with nothing but a moving blanket (the blanket movers use to pack furniture). i pulled over and offered a ride,phone,hot coffee, anything she needed.she wouldnt get in the truck till she saw my wife and climbed in to use the phone.she was driving the van that broke down to a dealership that her husband owned and was going to get a ride right back so she didnt bring a jacket or boots or a phone even.she called her husband,he came and got her shook my hand and thanked me for letting her stay warm in my truck. the woman had taken off a very expensive earing to talk on the phone and she layed it on the dasboard while she talked to her husband. after she left my wife and i got down the road a couple hours and realized she had left her earing in the truck. i called the number she had dialed on my phone and got her husband.i told him his wife had left an earing on my dashboard when she used my phone and asked him fo his mailing adress and id mail it to him.my wife and i got home ,sent the earing away,then we got christmas cards and thank you letters from a guy named brian griese. i have absolutley no idea who the guy was but he said if my wife and i would like an autograph picture or tickets to one of his games that he would see to it that we got them. my freind who is the polar opposite from me is a football fanatic and recognized the name as being a quaterback for the denver broncos. turns out it was his mom that my wife and i pulled over for. funny thing is that i didnt know who he is because i have not the slightest bit of interest in football or any sport for that matter. i did get an autographed picture for my football fanatic friend though. ,,,,,,,,,,then i came home and did some prepping! (maybe this completely unrelated little story will slip past the moderator)sometimes i talk to much MD.if this shouldnt be posted than please do whats best for your blog.

        • Bc, can I say that I am horribly jealous. I am not usually into sports, but I am a huge Broncos fan.

        • The other quaterback owns a toyota dealership in denver. A basketball player owns a ford dealership in denver or did I am not current.Joe MOntana has bought 2 or 3 lexuses at the shop I worked at. I never met him though.That is a good story Brad I will tell my wife when she gets home. I am also a non football fan.

          • my football nut friend always pokes fun at me about not knowing a thing about football,but im the guy he calls when another electrical gremlin rears its head in his old peterbilt.i always tellhim,while he is sitting on the couch watching other people do things,im out in my shop making something work that didnt.

            • Hunker-Down says:


              Your shop is too neat and clean, almost prissy, to get any work done. I would be afraid to walk in there with a grease gun! I’d rather watch the Green Bay Packers.

            • PRISSY????? tha just offends me to no end. im gonna make a cup of chamomille tea and go the my immaculate shop and have a good cry. when im done im gonna make some more tool cozies.

        • Pineslayer says:

          Saw on the tube the other day, Brian opened a home to help kids, named after his mother who has passed on recently ( Last year or more?). He is a good guy.

          How about that Tebow? Thinking about making some $ by selling T-shirts outside of the stadium that say, ” You just got T-boned”. That should buy some beans.

          Prepping, met a guy with a warehouse of military surplus, nirvana! Packs, canteens, ponchos and liners. Costco has 56 oz bags of M&M’s, $2.50 off, yum. Not really necessary but keeps you happy. 25lbs of bread flour, peanut butter, and a box of powdered apple cider. I guess winter is having an effect on my buying habits.

          Trimming windows downstairs and planning my root cellar on the north side, size? we’ll see what kind of granite I hit. I see some black powder in my future.

      • Axelsteve,

        If your dog has puppies, you can name one “Tebow”.

        • unfortunatlly he is fixed. The dog nazi`s have us fix them by 5 months unless you get a breeding permit.

    • JP,

      I love to hear about people adopting dogs from the shelter. It’s great to hear about a dog getting a second chance.

    • momengineer says:

      Congrats on the “new” dog! Our rescued shelter dog, Gracie, is at my feet right now- she has been the Best.dog.ever…And…no housetraining needed! Win-win for everyone! 🙂

  3. Amateur Gardener says:

    Replaced candles & batteries used last week due to windstorm that hit So Cal. Bought another lantern; replaced food items lost due to power outage. This was a good wake up call, reminder that the time to prep is before a disaster, not after. We were ok, but I was amazed at how many I heard say, they didn’t have a radio, or candles, or flashlights etc. Especially after all the warnings and reminders to be prepared, what with living in e-quake country. And the attitudes of entitlement I’d read about, anger at utility company for not restoring power immediately. There was so much widespread devastation, so MUCH debris; trees that knocked down power poles and lines – over 400,000 without power – but most of us had power restored within 3-4 days. I think given the scope of things, the utilities did an outstanding job, working 24/7. Still, it doesn’t change the fact that people need to be prepared.

    • You are right AG, preparing for a natural disaster should be a first priority. So Cal IS wind and earthquake country followed by ugly fast moving fires and then flooding due to the burned off areas. It is not rocket science to know what you need. And to think that SoCal Edison could get that amount of work done following an event like this in such a short amount of time, it actually a good effort on their behalf. Beyond that, one has responsibility for oneself. If it has happened before in an area, it is likely to happen again……..take your cues from nature and have a plan plus at least one redundant back up plan.

    • Jarhead 03 says:

      Amateur Gardener⁠, glad you got through it all right. I to was pissed t ear people complaining. Did you hear about the who threatened the electric company and was arrested? $50,000 bail! For that he could of bought a killer generator, lanterns, ets for the $5,000 it cost to post bail lol.

      I have no sympathy, I got calls from friends for help and I gave them directions to the Harbor Freight in Pasadena and the nearest Home Depot and Sears between Pasadena and Azusa lol.

      • Pineslayer says:

        I take it you get called a lot. Why be self sufficient when there are neighbors like you? You’ll always be there.

        • Pineslayer, the friend I helped with the tree is also my mechanic when I need a tune up. He had an electric chain saw and has slowly been waking up to prepping adding things.
          When the power went out and he called me, like others, he called asking for advice, he had the candles, flashlights and a propane stove.
          I suggested he get a small generator and about an hour later his tree went down. He called and said he picked up a generator and asked if I could give him a hand with the tree. I also let him borrow my sawzall.

          My response to everyone was get a generator but you are right, I did show up to help those who bought one and asked for help setting it up. I went with a few friends to help them pick out stoves, lanterns etc but I didn’t give up any of my preps.

          Many woke up, many won’t talk to me, I’m a happy camper lol

          • Pineslayer says:

            Maybe the biggest challenge and headache in being a prepper is getting your friends on board. We now have a small group, in my neighborhood, that are starting to see the light, or the darkness, and it is encouraging. I spend a lot of time helping my friends and they help me, if I get desperate enough to ask. How many of you all are putting away extra for our non-prepping friends? I try, but I’m not rich. I always think that I will be able to barter with some of it, but truth be told, I don’t think anybody has anything that we need or want. Back to square one. Just call me Buzzkill.

            • Jarhead 03 says:

              Pineslayer you are right. Most of my major preps outside of food has been over the years amassing things be it military equipment that didn’t have to be returned, purchased or acquired. I would purchase, barter, buy one thing at a time etc.

              I’ve had my ups and downs like many here including a tax levy that took 25% of my pay from february to august this year. It was the food preps and tips on food prepping for the long haul that I learned on here that got me through it. Its why I’m always willing to share and help anyone with their questions if I can.

            • Pineslayer,

              Don’t just think of bartering your food for tangible items–you can trade food for work, and post collapse there will be plenty of physical labor that needs to get done.

  4. Subscribed to a foraging newsletter. Canned the turkey that neighbor generously smoked for me. Was given ten pounds of taters so mean to make “canned in the jar” potato soup today and put the rest in the dehydrator.

  5. MD, I agree with you whole heartedly where Mr Rawles is concerned. All sites should be about shareing information and only being negative when someone makes a truly bad (incorrect) statement. It seems like I’ve either been learning and/or teaching wilderness, jungle, combat, or disaster survival most of my life (and I’ve been around a while). I do not know it all and once in a while I make a mistake (ok, so I’m human). I appreciate it when/if someone points that out to me; especially politely. We have enough negative in this world and in our own lives and do not need someone else trying to add to it.

    Hey, I’m getting on my soapbox again so it’s time to shut up for now. Remember; the future belongs to those who prepare both Spiritually and Physically. Better 7 years early than 1 day late . . .


  6. Good Morning Wolf Pack

    After a quiet and slow week last week, I gave myself a swift kick to get it in gear this week, and while life threw a few curve balls, I am feeling right pleased with what got done this week..

    Canned soups and beans this week
    Got a new huge handmade wooden cutting board
    Case of Canned Ham
    Case of Corned Beef
    A new pressure canner arrived (gotten on a very good online black monday sale)
    8 new stacking totes with flip top lids for ease of access
    2 new winter rated sleeping bags (almost 70 percent off-Awesome)
    2 new multi tools
    2 dozen warm half socks for wearing in your slippers
    a case of wide mouth jar lids
    a case of regular jar lids
    8 pds sledge hammer
    New sump pump
    Finally found a non-digatal thermometer for my health kit
    Citric Acid
    Activated Charcoal
    a case of on sale marble tiles -Some for making christmas presents and some for making my own marble work station for in the kitchen.

    Still looking for a cool and very reasonable christmas gift, consider a homemade 12 by 12 smaller marble cutting board.. its easy as pie, pick out a nice tile from the your local home depo, then get a package of the stick on surface guards to lift it off the counter, and voila for right around five dollars, a homemade marble cutting board.

    Hope everyone had a great week and look forward to reading what everyone got up to..

    MD, look forward to the review on the blacksmithing book, I have looked at that one and put it on a short list, will be interested in what you think of it.. On the fencing front, are you going to be able to use existing tree’s as your fence posts?

    • “Are you going to be able to use existing tree’s as your fence posts?”

      Some, but I will still have to put in posts in some places…

      • Md. Just remember that trees have a nasty habit of growing. They will grow around your fence materials, sometimes lifting them and pulling other parts apart. If I may suggest that using T posts despite the cost is a better idea?

      • templar knight says:

        MD, I don’t know if you are familiar with them, but a company in Magnolia, where pam s is from, makes steel t-posts that are great for barbed wire. They are also inexpensive and last a long time. Just wanted to let you know if you weren’t aware of them. Thanks for everything you do.

    • FarmGal, funny thing is your slow week makes me look fast, just saying..

      I have a free PDF of a Turn of the Century Blacksmithing book, from a free share site. The book is very cool, with tons of illustrations and how to’s.

  7. Patriot Farmer says:

    I added a few canned good and 6 cases of bottled water. I also spend time and read Sean Hannity’s book, “Deliver Us From Evil”. It can be an uplifting and motivational book on what this country can be if liberals and progressives would just stop trying to destroy this country. I know the book is from 2004 but its message is still relavant.

  8. Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

    Before I list what I did to prep this week, I have an apology to make. MD Creekmore & Wolf Pack, I apologize for ripping into a couple of newbies whose comments ticked me off on another topic a couple days ago. I won’t try to make excuses for my behavior, so I can only hope you’ll forgive my trespasses.

    This week’s preps: Decided that I need a retreat location. Contacted a few real estate agents in 3 different states and made inquiries. This is the wrong time of year to go traipsing around but I hope to have some good prospects to visit come spring time. In the mean time, I’ll be looking at cabin kits and “park model” homes, like these http://www.skylinepm.com/product.php?mod_type=california-park-models Buying a small parcel of land and something to live in will take all of my 401k money, after taxes, but it’s better than letting it sit in an account and lose buying power due to inflation. (YMMV) Besides, I need a smaller house and some new scenery.

    Ordered clothing & gear from Cabela’s.
    Ordered gear from LLBean.
    Still waiting for my food order to arrive from Ready Made Resources.

    Sent an email to NorCal Ray for some stuff, but haven’t heard from him yet. Ray, did you get my email? Used the address you provided in last week’s WDYDTPTW.

    Missed seeing the lunar eclipse, got carried away watching prospecting videos instead. Guess that shows where my priorities lie.

    Merry prepping to all and to all – God bless.

    • Lint,
      Disagreement is okay and can be a good thing, because it lets us see and consider both side of an issue – it is the name calling and attacks I was referring to. You should see the stuff I have to read and delete…

      As for Ready Made Resources if you have noticed they no longer advertise here – I’ve received a number of complaints from readers about their service…

      • Nor Cal Ray says:

        Resent your reply. Let me know if you receive it. Sent first one same day recv’d your email. 2nd one next day. This is third try.

    • You’re welcome to come to Alabama Lint! 😉 rivers and creeks and wildlife in abundance….and some pretty nice folks too…if I do say so myself 😉

      • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

        Thank you for the invitation, Becca. I talk funny, though, I don’t have a Southern drawl (yet). 😉

        • lint,i sure wish there was a way we could talk. for 34 years ive travelled this country and i feel like i have a unique perspective on locales and the people who inhabit them . i have some definate opinions on the better areas to be should IT hit the fan. unless youve already made up your mind where your going and you dont mind a small hole in your total anonimity,then hit me up. [email protected]. Brad

          • Vienna (Soggy prepper) says:

            You should do a guest post on your “unique perspective on locales”. I bet that would be beneficial to all and quite entertaining read!

            • i would if i could spell without looking stupid. capitolize where im supposed to. dont know where a paragraph ends and starts. dont know where to put commas or all the other little punctuation marks. did lousy in school and worked for my dad from a very young age. didnt get much out of school they way most folks did. i feel like im a fairly articulate guy when speaking but this as good as it gets when i write.

        • Just come down South and it is easy to pick up the southern drawl if you try. Sadly, in some areas the accent is not the norm any more. Too many colleges are trying to “teach” kids how to lose their local accents which I just hate to see. To me, different accents in different parts of the country or other countries is really cool. Why should we all sound like a generic version of speech without any accents? Guess that is the Proggressives’ version of “speech equality” just like “income equality”. That is just stupid IMHO.

          • Nuttbush,

            Ain’t nobody tried to teach me none of that crap and I done spent me 12 years in college.

            • Glad to hear they haven’t tried to change you. There was a story on the news about 3 years ago that there were some college courses on losing your southern accent. The theory was that people in other parts thought people who had a southern accent were “slow” so that if they wanted to go into the business world or broadcasting, well then they should lose their accent. I thought THAT was dumb.

          • Nuttbush they try to teach kids how not to talk with a accent so they can speak to people outside of the state.Like that will work with a new yorker or a homosexual.

          • Jo (Georgia) says:

            I learned to talk here in the South, moved away to the Mid West to go to school, lost the accent (just from not hearing it), and then moved back. Slid right back into it, although for the life of me I still have trouble understanding my father in law sometimes. His accent is so thick he almost sounds like mush mouth.

        • Lint:
          Actually winter is not a bad time to be looking at property, especially up here in Montana. People come up here in late July and August, think they found the idea retreat location (or vacation property) later to find out the you are snowed in from Nov through much of April, and they just fixed to road for the 1st time in 10 years!

          • I am in agreement on looking at property in the winter.
            Reasoning is leaves are off the trees and you can see things
            not seen in summer such as your neighbor, subdivisions, etc..

          • Thomas The Tinker says:

            Ahmen JP in MT. We are doing weekender drives to look over acreage and yepper……. no folage makes looking over the land so much easier. This City boy didn’t really know what 5 acres of woods ‘looked’ like until we walked out into the middle of a plot….

          • momengineer says:

            I have to agree about winter being the perfect time to look around property, as well.

            My reasoning is SNAKES! (Hate, hate them). General rule of thumb- if its warm enough for you to be out, its warm enough for them. Winter is the perfect time to go expoloring any bushy/shrubby areas….JMHO

            • Jo (Georgia) says:

              Just don’t sit down! I was building a rock pathway last spring when I thought it was still to cold for them, when I got up I found one had slithered up under me to keep warm. Scared the crap out of me.

            • momengineer: just remember how the snakes keep the rodent population down….that might help.

        • templar knight says:

          You’ll fit right in, Lint. They got lots of Yankees in Alabama these days. But you will have to learn to love boiled peanuts. Wilmar, Al. is my first stop in Alabama when I’m on my way to the Redneck Riviera(SE Alabama and NW Florida beaches for you newbies). A fruit and vegetable roadside stand there has 3 large vats of boiling peanuts going from daylight to dark. LMAO.

          • Yep. We like Yankees just fine, especially with catsup. 🙂

          • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

            OK, that’s the real reason I can’t move South – those damned boiled peanuts. I can learn to tolerate the humidity and the hurricanes. I can learn to speak with a drawl (that would be great, actually). And I can even learn to call the Civil War “The War of Northern Aggression”, but I will not and cannot eat a boiled peanut. Egads, man, get you some couth. 😉

            • Southern Girl says:

              Come to Virginia Lint, I hate boiled peanuts as well.

            • momengineer says:

              Born and raised in Alabama- hate boiled peanuts as well. You’d fit right in here!

            • templar knight says:

              momengineer, born and raised in Alabama and hate boiled peanuts, huh. That’s like hating grits and sweet tea. Hmm….I smell a Yankee ancestor in the woodpile. LOL

            • Jo (Georgia) says:

              we sometimes also call it “The late unpleasantness”.

            • Southern Girl says:

              Oh No!! Looks like I’m going to get kick out of the south for sure. I hate boiled peanuts and grits. I don’t drink sweet tea or any type of tea. I do have Yankee ancestors in the woodpile. PLUS..WAIT FOR IT…I married a Yankee.. Oh my, Star and Bars. I turn into a Yankee. hehehe

            • Southern Girl,

              Perhaps you should choose a more fitting name, since you have been consorting with a Yankee. LOL

          • Hunker-Down says:


            I saw a place like that once, stunk up the whole town.

    • Hunker-Down says:

      Lint Picker,

      Good luck finding new diggs. I like you money management approach.

    • mountain lady says:

      Lint: Please tell me you are getting out of California.

    • Lint Picker,

      You live in No CA. There are plenty of remote areas around here – my place for example. No need to move to another state. Besides, I’d love to have you for a neighbor – the more like minded people in the area, the more likely we are to survive.

      Consider building an earth sheltered home – with the extra insulation of 5-8 feet of dirt on the top and back, it will heat easily with a woodstove. No air conditioning necessary – even in HOT summer areas like the Central Valley. To look at them to to http://www.formworksbuilding.com. That is the site of a company that builds them, but you can build one yourself, there are plenty of books to tell you how, including “The Owner Built Home, that I picked up at a used book store for $3.

      If you’d like to chat, I’m listed on the meet-up page – Michele in Placerville.

    • I also want to apolagize about arguing with the servicemen who talk about combat loads and etc.Personally I never spent a minute in uniform however I have many relatives who were and I respect veterans.I was exempt from the draft for medical reasons. A marine recruiter told me that he would be in Leavanworth if he recruited me. My background is more3 of a hunter and there is a polar oppasit when it comes to firearms it seems.

      • Axel, its ok. Sometimes those of us in the military need to remember not everything needs an overkill factor lol

        You have my respect for even walking into the recruiters office.

    • Nor Cal Ray says:

      I replied and have been awaiting your reply.

      • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

        Ray, I didn’t get your reply. Did you actually hit the reply button on the email or did you send a new message? I ask because maybe a new message would go into my Spam folder and I just delete those without looking at them. Please try again, thanks.

    • breadmomma says:

      hey linty ol’ pally…check out our territory up in the land of Jefferson…the south o coast has some nice things going for it…lots o’ fish and the elk is mighty tasty this time of years…and crab of course and did I say the growing of the greens and other tasty things works for us…the folks seem quite convivial and there is enough ground at very low prices…and you can use your flashlights up here..

    • We would love to have you in Wyoming! There are big plots of land for sale all over around here.

      • SaratogaPrepper says:

        How are things inWyoming in general? I’ve been thinking of retiring there in 5 years, the good Lord willing. I’m used to snow and stuff like that being from way upstate NY. We would love the open spaces. Our area has seen a huge growth in the last 5 years and we are tired of all the people. NY taxes are killing us and gun laws are just insane. Any idea on a price for a small home on about 20 acres? Just 2 of us and a few of her cats.

      • Another Wyomingite? Dang that is something! I am from Sheridan/Gillette/Newcastle. (Dad was an oilfield worker.)
        If land prices have returned to something near normal, I’ll be
        coming home in two more years when I retire. Do you live in the North or the South? I was in Laramie for 7 years and know
        it’s odd when the wind isn’t blowing…. John

    • CherylFirebride says:

      Come to western Washington! There is LOTS of land here, including woods, and EXCELLENT farmland!

  9. Patriot Farmer says:

    One other prep for this week. I was exposed to the chemcial agent “Red Sabre” this week while on the job. (All legal, we were dispensing it) This stuff is MACE/Pepper Spray on steroids. If anyone has preps that include pepper spray or if you are in bear country this is the brand to get. The effects are long lasting and incapacitating.

    • I hope your ok from the spray??

    • OneStepPrep (North Texas) says:

      I’ve heard that the Sabre brand of spray has pepper spray plus an additional ingredient that is supposed to make it stronger against assailants. Anybody able to clarify this? The spray I use is the standard 17% pepper spray, but if there is a product out there that wld be more effective, I’d love to hear about it. And even tho I live in Texas now, and everything is bigger here, I’m not quite ready to keep a huge bottle of bear spray on my hip! I would just like to have another non-lethal option before I go to my XD. Any info would be appreciated. And if it’s already in an FAQ somewhere just point me in the right direction.

      • Jarhead 03 says:

        One step, look on line for FREEZE, that stuff works on crack heads! When I did security consulting, a deputy gave it to me and said it puts down the addicts and adrenaline junkies down. The stuff will melt a styerfoam cup lol.

        I buy it at a mom and pop security company in Compton, Ca and it sells!

  10. Well, if things go well I will have some excess furniture sold this weekend. Money that I can put toward preps and food and medications that we need now.
    We are about to move across country in about a month and that will deplete our cash. We will just dig in and start over.

  11. The Prepper says:

    Has anyone built or purchased a biolite stove similar to the following?:


    This looks like an amazing product for a SHTF scenario. Video here:

  12. Well said MD on the importance of getting on with others. Breath of fresh air. A bit of tolerance and good humour goes a long way.

  13. Hunker-Down says:

    Stuart Varney was on Fox News last Monday explaining how our Treasury Secretary is going to Europe to help solve their problems and there is a remote possibility that we would use the American Dollar to prop up the EURO. Mr. Varney was alarmed that our taxpayer dollars may go to another country and we will have no say in the matter.
    What a bunch of crap. The Federal Reserve has already sent billions to European banks. They do what they please because they don’t answer to Congress or to the White House. What a colossal disconnect. Tim Geithner can’t be that dumb, can he? Is Stuart Varney drinking the same Kool-Aid? I’m moving to that new planet, Kepler-22b.

    We dehydrated the last batch of carrots, finally. The lesson we learned is that we can pull carrots in October after a couple of frosts, and they will keep in the fridge to mid-December (longer?). Next year we won’t obsess about getting the dehydrating done within a few days due to spoilage.

    Several posters have mentioned that mice are using their TP. Winter is here and the mice are looking for a warmer place to live, like our basement. We store our Mylar bags of wheat, macaroni etc. in Rubbermaid totes, and several have said that mice can chew through the plastic.
    I think that the easiest way to deal with mice is to get them to decide to go elsewhere. For the last 2 years we have kept deer away from eating flowers and shrubs, especially the DW’s favorite, Rose of Sharon by spraying everything 1-2 times a month with a deer repellent. At the same time our neighbors complain of the deer eating their garden plants. Because of that experience we bought this product for mice, from the same company; http://www.deerout.com/critter/. I didn’t want to spend the money but thought protecting the survival food is important. I plan on spraying some on each tote and hope that it, plus mousetraps on the perimeter of the basement may win the fight.

    I finally ordered the “Kill A Watt Electricity Usage Monitor” OhioPrepper recommended last September. I snuck it in an Amazon order to get free shipping. I ordered the DW the thingy she wants for Christmas, a remote controlled helicopter! We are well into our second childhood, I’ll be 72 the end of this month, and our meal preferences are that of a 4 year old.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      H-D, I don’t think Stuart Varney has been drinking Kool-Aid. He came to America to get away from socialism, but he says its here in spades now.

      The only reason Geitner went to Europe this week was to let them know the US would give more money to the IMF and would provide backup cash for the ECB. This administration is indebting Americans for generations to come and making us more beholden to the ChiComs with every passing day. Don’t get me started……

      • Hunker-Down says:

        Lint Picker,

        Check out the flow of money from the Federal Reserve to the EURO member banks, all before Geithner went to Europe. I would like to know what influence the U.S. Treasury, and its secretary has on that flow.
        I’m not an economist, just an ignorant, victim tax payer.

        • templar knight says:

          This is nothing new, Hunker-Down and Lint. The Federal Reserve has been loaning European banks money since the collapse of 2008, many times loaning them money at, get this rate, .01%. I don’t want to get too technical here, but these were called single-tranche open market operations, and they loaned several European banks $80 billion. No one in the US Government nor Congress was informed of these loans.

          As bad as these loans were, the Fed has made and continues to make loans to European banks based on swap agreements, whereby we send them dollars and they use bonds as collateral. These bonds can be any of the sovereign bonds of the Euro zone, including Greece, Spain and Italy.

          Yep, the US taxpayer is now the lender of last resort. Friends, when this shell game ends, and it will, we are going to be in a world of shi_.

          • Hunker-Down says:

            Templar knight,

            With all that money being printed and moved under the control of the Federal Reserve, to any country they please, what purpose does the Treasury serve?

          • Hunker-Down says:

            templar knight,

            But wait! The EURO consortium is going to disband, then reform. The goal is to switch from an old ponzi scheme to a new ponzi scheme. Then it will be easier for Bernanke to “monetize their debt”. Translation: Print more counterfeit.

            • I might be opening up myself to abuse, but who believes no one in the government knew about those loans or how certain entities became OK overnight? We have been underwriting world security for 50+ years while the world goes about their merry way. They all frickin’ owe us, with interest!
              New policy, we trade one bushel of wheat for one or two barrels of oil or a pound of gold. I bet the whole world would start prepping.

              Oh yea, prepping: trying to get some of my neighbors to be more prepared, need to invest in more Tylenol.

    • a R/C helicopter??? can i come to your house to play???

    • Hunker-Down,
      I read a comment yesterday about a prepper who used moth balls around all of his food stored in pails. The smell was awful, but he said it worked!

      • Hunker-Down says:

        Mama Bear,

        The DW, “super nose” would banish me to one of those Rubbermaid totes.

        • Jo (Georgia) says:

          Apartment therapy did a test a few months ago to see which of the standard natural repellants would keep pests away best. I think they tested mothballs, lavender, and cedar. and the Lavender actually came out on top. Your wife might complain less about that scent seems it would be worth a shot.

      • Watching tv last night and heard a tip for keeping mice out of your pantry and their idea would definitely be used keeping them away from your food. Peppermint oil! They said put the oil on cotton balls and place them in the corners of the pantry. We could place the oil on cotton balls or small pieces of cardboard and use around the boxes and buckets to keep them away. Plus it would smell nice.

    • HD:
      Our basement is really classified as a cellar because it has a dirt flow. Then the cats found it and treated it like a giant litter box. I don’t think I’ll ever have a mouse problem with that smell.

      • Hunker-Down says:


        Maybe you could sell it?

      • I think also a cellar has an outside entrance and a basement has a indoor entrance.

        • Axelsteve:
          Not sure but I was in a house (while looking for my current one) that had an outside door (like I would think to see in the Mid West) and they just referred to it a basement. A cellar is less expensive with the tax man thought. It is 60-65 degrees year round so works good for storage. No leakage but one corner is lower than the rest and is moist at times.

          • Jarhead 03 says:

            JP, have you thought about cementing and sealing it? Bet its nice during the summer and winter months during the extremes.

            • Jarhead03:
              Yep thought about it, but the question is do you put another $15,000 into a $70,000 house, that is on a lot you already know is too small?

            • Jarhead 03 says:

              JP, that’s a hefty price tag. Didn’t think that would be the price tag. I’ve done concrete jobs on my own and without permits, forgot how expensive contractors cost. Not sure the area your covering.
              In this economy any cost to bring up the house is a risky investment.

            • Jarhead03:
              And it’s not the money really. I live in town, on one city lot, with all municipal services. Not even a fireplace. I have 3 vehicles and can only park on in front of my house. All of my trailers (camp and cargo) are farmed out to friends who have hand.
              I just tired of being able to tell what brand of TP the neighbor uses by the noise!

    • Hey Hunker, Stewart Varney GETS IT! Sometimes you have to listen very closely to some of his innuendos. He is most definitely not a supporter of The Fed and is usually quite outspoken against their power. What he doesn’t do (because he’s on a national news network) is prattle on about who is behind The Fed or just how corrupt it is and how it has seriously compromised America.

      Varney will often make sarcastic remarks that don’t come off as badly as just saying full truths. It is possible that this is what he was doing and you didn’t catch the sarcasm. He really dislikes Turbo Timmy and Big Ben because of their continuing shenanigans.

      • Hunker-Down says:


        My issue with Varney is precisely because he didn’t “prattle on about who is behind The Fed or just how corrupt it is and how it has seriously compromised America.” I like him, his attitude and his reporting but it seems as if he has an aversion to exposing the fed, as do almost all in congress. I wish I had proof that he is not indirectly owned by the fed, like 99% of the media.

        • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

          H-D, I think Fox News has some sort of “don’t ask, don’t tell” rules for their commentators. Glenn Beck got called on the carpet for calling the prez a liar and he had to apologize. He then got into a beef with George Soros and in the end, Glenn left Fox. A coincidence? I think not.

          I’ve seen O’Reilly tone down his comments, too. Seems Rupert Murdoch doesn’t want to rock the boat too much since his British newspaper hacked into a dead woman’s cellphone and caused all kinds of havoc as a result. I think Fox is trying to tread lightly. Mess with the wrong people and you could end up without a broadcasting license. Just speculation on my part, but I do see a pattern developing on that network.

          • Hunker-Down says:

            Lint Picker,

            I would love to shine a flashlight on the people behind the curtain that enforce that “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy.

            Call me a conspiracist, but I suspect you can find puppet strings on them directly attached to grunts in the Federal Reserve.

            P.S. My spell checker requires that I capitalize “Federal Reserve”. Hows that for depth of control?

          • Vienna (Soggy prepper) says:

            “Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal owns a 7 percent stake in News Corp — the parent company of Fox News — making him the largest shareholder outside the family of News Corp CEO Rupert Murdoch.” Got that off the internet. Several sources actually, easy to look up.

            Meaning Yes, they will be watching what they say and I look for it to becoming increasingly gagged. Especially as it pertains to islam. Wouldn’t want to tell the truth or anything—oops—I mean make them look bad. Prince wouldn’t like that.

            How’s that for a conspiracy Hunker-Down?

            • Hunker-Down says:


              Wouldn’t it be nice if we had a news media run by the government where no outside influence could get to them? Oh wait, that would be worse than what we already have. Crap, let me off this planet.

            • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

              Good job on the research, Vienna. I had forgotten about the Arab connection. Yes, FNN isn’t as outspoken as it used to be. This is why I subscibed to Glenn Beck (GBTV online) and also read his Blaze channel online for news. Hard to find the truth these days since the MSM is socialist.

  14. The Prepper says:

    Blew most of my budget earlier this month so I didn’t get as much done as I would have liked to. Ordered a copy of MD’s dirt-cheap survival retreat from Amazon, got 6 jars of peanut butter, several types of salsa and 16 cans of chili. Also spent a lot of time looking at property. Still trying to narrow down where I want to buy, but at least I know what I want now.

    • greta book! youll love it! i finally started on my path to solar because MD made it easy enough to understand that a cave man could do it.

  15. hi all, interesting week. ordered two cases canned ground beef, some parts for another m4. got a call from my cc company, somebody jacked my number and was using it in france! then i took a day at the range, my back yard. very interesting results. first the new fal para rifle that i built failed to cycle, back to the shop. then my favorite car15 was shooting far to the right, no amount of adjustment would fix it, back to the shop. then my ballester molina 45 jammed. had my first issue with russian ammo ever, as a round stuck in the chamber and the extractor was ripped apart. that little baby cost me 40 bucks! that gun had shot so flawless that i called it “old faithful” …..the eotech sight on another ar had dead batteries. the rest of the arsenal shot fine,but it was a huge wake-up call. TEST FIRE YOUR WEAPONS REGULARLY FOLKS!!! learn from my poor example:) thats it for this week. take care yawl.

    • Sorry to hear that Riverrider that was a bad day at the range.Like you at least you find out now and not when you have 2 dozen members of the ms13 walking up your driveway.

      • riverrider says:

        axel, roger that. funny you should mention ms13. had a run-in with one out here in the boonies. guess no place is safe now. i just hope someone here reads my post and will go check their weapons before it gets to that.

        • I saws a couple of latin kings in my local walmart a few weeks ago.Also I live in the pot growing part of california and I would not be supprised to find some ms13 guarding pot gardens.I am awfull carefull when I am in the sticks.

    • Jarhead 03 says:

      River, I used to own a FAL, did you look towards the front next to the sight, there is a sort of knob dial. That is a gas regulator, I had the same issue until someone on the range with a FAL pointed it put.

      • riverrider says:

        j, roger that. changed the gas settings, flipped the regulator too. nothing. i read that para’s commonly have this problem from the shorter barrel. the gas bleed hole is too small. i’ll have to ream it out one drill size at a time to get er running. i was more disappointed that i broke the molina, and that it was russian ammo. i’ve sworn by/used it for years. the extractor is not a common part here any more either. take care brother.

        • Riverrider:

          What number did you change your gas regulator to?
          My understanding is the lower ones have lesser gas
          but I don’t know for sure. (No manuals.) TIA

          • riverrider says:

            cosmo, i tried them all, but thanks. i may even need to change the locking shoulder, but sure hope not. it was a bear to get installed. worst case i’ll break it down for spare parts for my long gun. it runs flawlessly with tight groups for an autoloader. i was trying to get short for close quarters with the para. still heavy as crap, so if i can’t get her running, no big deal. that big boom was nice tho, compared to pop-pop from the ar.take care. love the name:)

            • I bought a bunch of the 1903 and 1903A3’s from the
              CMP. Cleaned them in the bathroom sink. Somehow
              the word stuck in my mind…. ROTFL
              Merry Christmas to you and yours. John

            • cosmo, LOL, yes thats why i like the name. i worked on weapons for uncle sugar for years. one day the boss brought in a truckload of 55 gallon barrels full of m1 garands and carbines. seems they were shooting a movie and we had to clean all them and get them running for the dang thing. took weeks of that nasty stuff,LOL. i’ll have nightmares tonight, thanks!

            • merry christmas to you also! hope we’ll “talk” again before then though.

            • Riverrider I sure am glad I didn’t read your reply last night or I would have had nightmares! Canned M1 Garands….. I collect the beasts. They are my PASSION! You Sir, are one lucky dude! I’d give both of your thumbs and one of mine to have been there, cosmoline or not….. I’m in Lost Angeles but from Wyoming. What part of the country are you in? John

            • riverrider says:

              cosmo, va., love the garand but when issued one, a sniper version, the buttstock kept hitting my calf as i marched, and i’m left handed too. loved the way it shot though. but a few days of cleaning that stuff for somebody else to shoot is all i wanted. i keep saying i’ll go to cmp alabama one day n get one for myself. i read hillary was keeping 600k of them in korea, refusing import license. i got a “b” word for her. man, rode my scooter out to wyoming few years ago, blew my mind. coming over that hill to see devils tower rising up outta nowhere is just too much for this eastcoaster to fathom. been trying to get the misses to move there. you know how that goes. take care my friend.

            • Riverrider:
              Glad to hear from you again!
              Which sniper version, the M1D or the M1C?
              (The D had a mount pressed onto the barrel
              while the C has two drilled holes into the left
              side of the receiver.) I have a D but was very
              disappointed with it. I shot as well with open
              sights…. At about $2,000 less.
              Virginia. Wow! My recorded family history
              began there. Last name is Fann. The family history
              I have goes back to 1760 there. Then we moved
              to Misery (a joke) and my branch went to Wyo.
              Hope to retire in two more years and go to Arkansas. Found a distant branch of the family there. Folks
              seem unnaturally friendly and polite after Kali.
              If M.D. can do it, he can send you my email address.
              Just use riverrider in the heading and I’ll recognize
              you before it gets spammed. Thanks again.

            • riverrider says:

              cosmo, it had the scope mounted on the left side of the receiver. it wasn’t over the barrel, making it a right handed only rifle. deadly accurate though. i qualified w/ it having never shot anything but the m16 before, or even zeroing the scope. shot a couple into the ground to see the dust and went with it. i couldn’t believe it. they only gave it to me because i was the newbie and they didn’t want to tote it:)

            • riverrider,
              About 600K Garands and another 300K M1 Carbines that the Koreans want to repatriate. Hillary is stopping them but I understand TDL is actually stopping this one.

        • Jarhead 03 says:

          River, you are right about short barrel FALs, I know a few people that own them. A company in Irwindale California if still in business called Enterprise Firearms specializes in FAL parts, google them.

          As for the M4, I’m thinking you’ve put a lot of rounds through it and a lot of cleaning wearing down the barrel possibly, I remember our company armorer mentioning that once when one of my Marines rifles did the same on the range, no how massive the dope change it was still off. I’m saying that based on you haven’t had that issue prior, correct? May need to replace the barrel, price it compared to a whole new upper.

          • riverrider says:

            j, thanks, yes i’m replacing the barrel. i think i might have torqued it a little too much remounting that barrel on the receiver. my torque wrench is inop right now though. if i didn’t have an extra barrel already, it would be cost effective to get a whole upper. just haven’t had time to fool with it.

            • Jarhead 03 says:

              River, thanks, I know uppers range from $50 to $100 without the barrel and a barrel without the upper is about $100 cheaper, with mounting it you have to be just right so I figure if the complete upper may be the way to go.
              I have an 18″ flat top, 20″ standard A2 and 24″ flat top. Considered another 20″ flat top. With the M4 and platform, I enjoy the fact I have many options from close range CQB to reaching out to 600 yards with accuracy.

    • templar knight says:

      Thank you for the timely reminder, rr. I went through all my weapons today, and found out I had forgotton to take the plug out of my Remington 870. It would be bad to find that out at the wrong time. I’m sorry you had problems, but at least you made lemonade out of your lemons and we get to drink it here.

      I plan on hitting the range next week, as the weatherman says we will have rain the next four days. Yuck!

      • Jarhead 03 says:

        River and tk I need range time but it’s delayed. The range I go to up in the local mountains is closed due to the rain storm passing through and possible snow down to 2,500 feet. If it opens up, snow or no snow I haven’t shot in the snow in many many years.

  16. robert in mid michigan says:

    been a little slow here with deer season, turkey day, anniversery and now getting ready for christmass. unfortunatly no venison in the freezer but had a great two weeks trying just cant beat playing in the woods. other than that

    2 #10 cans dehydrated onions
    2 #10 cans beef tvp
    12 cans chunk chicken
    3 lbs oatmeal
    8 lbs of lentils
    8 lbs of pinto beans
    50 lbs rice
    20 gallons water

    got a good book from goodwill ” the solar greenhouse book by james mccullagh. pretty technical book on adding a solar green house to the house to help heat the home. has some info on stand alones but concentrates on home heating

    might have done something rite raising the children after all lol. my daughter 16 works and this year she spent 50.00 of her 120 check on toys for tots and she took a name off the angel tree as well not sure how much she is going to spend thier. all these years of letting the children help pick out for those two programs seems to have made an impression ( yes we donated to toys for tots and addopted a family from the tree) just nice to see that she considers this important enough to spend her own money on it as well.

    wishing all of you a merry christmass and a happy new year. hoping that each of us reach our goals on preps and praying we never need them. remember the reason for the season and god bless.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Robert, Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to you and yours, as well. And I, too, pray we never need our preps, but I’m still prepping as fast as my checkbook and my limited skills will allow me.

      • robert in mid michigan says:

        me to, i just hope i go to the grave as the crazy old guy who believes the world is coming to an end. thats all i want for christmass, thats all i want in life.

        • Robert: I told my daughter that I truly would like it if my great-great-grandkids get to complain about all this “stuff” that grandpa squirreled away and it never got used.

  17. First off, Let me thank you for your opening comments, I read a host of dirrerent blogs and sniping at each other or others is a sign of the immaturity and coming death of a blog.

    Having said that, here is what I did.

    Made a water filter from 2 filter elements from AquaRain and a spout. I used 2 2 1/2 gallon food grade buckets. It works very well and my wife and I thing our well water tastes better now.

    Made up and canned 7 quarts of chili. We keep a running total of about 30 quarts.

    Bought a box of 20 guage 7.5 shot

    Sorted through $10.00 worth of pennys for pre 1983 and wheat pennys. I am amazed that I still find wheat pennys. For a retired old fart this is a good time passer.

    Bought 12 chichen broth and 6 beef broth of storage.

    Realized that we have no extra waxed paper, so I bought an extra roll. Plan to get more.

    Had a major tuneup done on my Astro Van…$665 wowwwy.

    Talked to my sister-in-law about preps… Somewhat awkward but I think she is actually doing some preping without actually acknowledging it.


  18. Busy and Successful week Prepping! (mostly)

    Have put up 35 lbs of pork and beef. At 4 meals/lb this in effect increases my food storage range by 30%. Working on 100lbs meat canned (optimally).

    Have learned a lot about the process.
    Best canner (American brand) probably not necessary. Have been using a 23 year old, well used Presto brand canner with good results. These things are so over-built with multiple safety systems, I think any good brand would be ok. (Think lawsuits). After the first time, it became easy and routine

    When buying I would go with a gauge instead of a “jiggler” easier to keep dialed-in to the correct pressure.

    All I plan to use is quart jars so the smallest unit would be a 16 quart (7 quarts). Same as the 22 unit without the extra space to heat.

    When doing quart jars with meat, I found packing to where the neck begins, (with fingers) and no extra water works best. Meat cooks down, liquid cooks out of meat. Also 1 quart jars hold a lot! plan on at least 12 lbs per 7 jars.

    Have not done any bird – chicken parts are expensive! and a whole chicken I think would be more trouble than worth – so easy to cook a whole chicken. Will keep looking for sales.

    Thats it, would recommend this to anyone wanting to quickly ramp up storage. Its safe if you follow directions exactly and watch continuously. After the first batch the process is quick and efficient.

    Feelin’ good on preps! – at least until I heard about the Oath-keepers site…. Man thats scary.

    Still no word on my permit for the 870 Remington. 1 month and counting. Oregon Socialist gov has found a way around that pesky 2nd Amendment. They just ignore the background check until you go away. Also illegal to advertise private gun sales here.

    What to do?

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Bob, what part of Oregon are you in? There is a great little gun show every year (during September) in Lakeview (Lake Co.). You might find a good gun there and licensed dealers to help with the paperwork.

    • Take a 3 day weekend to california

      • I don`t know orgoen law but in California you buy a gun wait 10 days. Then go pick it up, if the gunshop has not gotten a do not release to the seller that means you are good to go.

        • Yes, CA does have a 10 day “cool off” period. I don’t know about the rest of the states, but during that 10 days, they also fire the gun and sent 2 bullets to the feds for bullistic purposes.
          I can pick up my new Glock 21 on Thursday after 11:30. More than the 10 days, since 2 of my sons and I ordered the same type of Glocks at the same time, they had to order them and get them in before the 10 days started. I also used the gun shop owned by my neighbors. I figured they were good people to have as friends when TSHTF, and will try to have enough preps for them and other close neighbors.

          • Jarhead 03 says:

            Michele, congrats on the Glock 21s. Love mine, considering a second.

            • templar knight says:

              J, are you able to use the 13 rd. magazines in California? I heard somewhere that Cali limited them to 10 rds. Wondered if that was true.

            • TK, we are allowed to own high cap mags. We just can’t buy them. I have mags that I have bought before the ban for my toys that require them.
              There are also replacement parts kits I can legally buy for my high caps if needed.

              To avoid drama at the range I don’t take my high cap mags to the public ranges because I don’t need the range masters asking questions, don’t want the idiot gun guru telling me I’m technically breaking the law and the knuckle heads that beg to shoot my weapons.

    • I can only dream of an American brand canner.
      But I think the reason they are touted so much is they are American made, and they have no rubber seal to worry about.
      By the way does anyone know how to store extra rubber seals?
      I don’t want mine dry rotting or something.
      And now have to order some for my pressure cooker.
      Please advise.

      • Texas Nana says:

        I inherited my DH’s grand mothers pressure canner, it worked well but the rubber seal was showing it’s age. I found the following site, which I don’t own or make any money from, to order my rubber gasket and other parts.
        I couple of years after ordering the gasket, my kids moved to the Huntsville, Al area where there is an old hardware store. They have all kinds of interesting items, including canning supplies. Don’t own or make any money from them either, Lewters Hardware, http://www.lewtershardware.com.

        I purchased an old #7 canner by National, at a resale shop, $10., it needed a new pressure gauge and seal. For less than $30. I have a operational canner, which I use most every day.
        The lady at Lewter helped me find the correct gasket, then told me if it wasn’t the correct one to bring it back. I told her the canner was in Texas and I most likely wouldn’t be back for till next year. She said that’s ok, if it’s not right bring it back the next time you are in Al. What better service can you ask for!!!

        • momengineer says:

          I just wanted to say thanks for this tip! I live in N. Alabama, and didn’t know about the store in Huntsville…I’m going to check it out this week!! Thanks again…

      • Garden Mom says:

        I bought my gasket at the local Ace hardware store. I just kept it in the original package and didn’t have any problems. It was probably stored about 8 years before I used it.

        • Thank you Garden Mom
          That was what I was looking for. I figured if I keep them from as much harm as I can that they should last but didn’t know if they were made to self-distruct after a certain time.

      • open package and coat gasket with a veryvery light coat of food grade grease. restraunt supply places have it. most commonly used on icecream machines. they have to be torn down and cleaned nightly .hadto do it in college. you could also box them up and freezor em. just let it get to room temp before trying to lay it flat. uv bad for most manmade and natural rubber; dark goood.

      • Hubby got me an All-American w/income tax money. well worth the funds. I did 14 jars of turkey stock today and 14 jars yesterday. (20 min at 11# pressure)

    • Rich Muszynski says:

      greetings. on your old pressure canner. they work but here in the north east there are no suppliers of the rubber rings that one needs to seal them with. the pressure canner corporations that make them simply make obsolete all older models so you have to keep buying replacements when they don’t wear out at all. which is why i bought a all American for a couple of hundred bucks. no rubber seals at all and never wear out. only thing on that can wear out would be the pressure gauge due to accident. but you really don’t need one, i simply use the pressure weight to go by. it hisses and spits when one is going over the pressure it is set for.

    • robert in mid michigan says:

      only problem with the presure guage is you have to have them checked out by a pro every now and again the weights just are. would love to be able to can 35lbs of meat but everytime i get close to the freezer wife is rite next to me and says no. my preps are a seperate function and i dont get to play with the family food. oh well she doesnt know it yet but all the foods she bought for christmass dinner well ill change out what i have in storage for the newer stuff. lol have fun and be safe

    • Vienna (Soggy prepper) says:

      WA state with a concealed weapons permit we just go in and buy the gun we want and walk out with it. When my DH buys a pistol type (yup, can tell I’m gun savvy) in OR the guy has to transport it over the river to the dealer my DH uses here in WA. When they get it they call him and he goes to pick it up.
      So are you guys talking a wait period if you Don’t have a concealed carry permit?

      • Jarhead 03 says:

        Vienna, in Ca depending what county or city some are easier to acquire that others. I had one issued but when I moved to another county they wouldn’t renew it. Rules vary, its not a state issue.
        Even with a concealed carry permit you still have to wait. The only exemption in California for the 10 day waiting period is LE department letterhead signed off by the departments chief or Sheriff.

    • LurkerBob:
      I grew up in Oregon (outside Portland) but left in 1975. Would you mind telling me what’s up with weapons purchases in Oregon? When I left they had a 5 day waiting period (“cooling off period” is what they called it), but I don’t remember it being that difficult other than that. Used to have gun shops all over. Last time I was out there I only found 1.

  19. Just started reading this site a couple months ago and it seems the neg comments on others have just started the last few weeks. I agree that comment your opinion if you want but keep neg comments on others to yourself. I just read Patriots over the thanksgiving break and liked it but do think it is a very extreme example of what could happen(it is fiction after all), but that is Rawles version so take it or leave it but don’t attack someone for their opinion. Now on to the preps just recieved and order from Augason farms so looks like I will be added to the goverment Terrorist list for being a food hoarder. Went on laternet to order a couple more Diezt lanterns and they were pretty much sold out of all models, anyone know what is going on with them selling like crazy or some production problems?? Made my usual grocery stock up run to Aldis and Kroger and found some 16 oz bottles of shampoo at Kroger marked down to 59 cents so bought a dozen asst falvors, don’t have a lot of hair so a bottle that size lasts me 6 months so looks like I am stocked for a while since I am the only one that will use the “cheap” stuff . Got two of those giant boxes of hashbrowns from sam and busted them up and bagged and vacum sealed them in smaller batches to store in buckets. I have started to make 5 gal buckets with rice, beans , oatmeal, flour , sugar, spices etc that would be able to feed someone for a few weeks to store be a basic grab n go bucket if have to get out fast. Have a case in the garage with cookware and lanterns, small stove and paper goods to grab also to be able to make a basic camp kitchen. I think the site is great M.D. and lets just keep everything informative and civil everyone.

    • george, those hashbrowns from Sams are really great. If you go on Sams website, they also sell emergency food and supplies. Some of the food is from Augason Farms and Sams price on the #10 cans is very good. Most of the listings are for two #10 cans. We bought the Augason Farms red and green bell pepper and have opened one of the cans to try out. I highly recommend it, have used in several recipes.

      One thing I have done with #10 cans that I didn’t think I would use up real fast is take out enough to fill a quart size mason jar and re-seal the remainder in a mylar bag with an O2 absorber and place back in the can. I am hoping that will extend the life of what is in the cans. I know some things can’t be done that way, but it is worth a try.

  20. Well this week little done.
    I got my pressure cooker. Read that if you soak the beans it only takes about 3 minutes to cook them. Just don’t seem right nor natural. But I will do like my mother cook them soft in it then let it settle down and finish them off for a while on simmer. Just something about cooking beans for a long, long time on the stove getting a real rich juice in them.
    Started inventory. What a pain, literally. Between my bed putting the skids to my hips/back bending over all the tubs and boxes hasn’t helped.
    I am half finished. Just got the kitchen to do. When I finish the kitchen will computer it then make a list of items to see how far away from a years total and how close I am for 2 years. Ha! Ha! Ha!
    Ordered more Cinnamon. Then Wall Greens had a BOGO sale. First time I ever got anything on a BOGO sale. Yahoo! not a novice anymore.
    On my son’s blood sugar. Between diet and the spice he is doing real well. He has somewhat normalized and has been under 110 in the mornings the last week and the highest at night 130 or so if we mess up with the starches. When he gets more weight off think he will be okay.
    Found out mashed potatoes, gravy and meat do not bother him
    Bread does somewhat, and this depends on what else he eats.
    We bought that extra raisin raisin bran at Wall mart, and it does not bother him, and the raisin are sugar coated, go figure.
    Peanuts at night for a snack don’t bother him.
    Flour tortilla’s are not good, but I think that is because he eats (homemade) bean burrito’s and four of them. I told him he was going to have to cut it down to two and fill them up with beans and lots of salsa.
    So figure we are well on our way to getting him regulated and diet controlled.
    As he is a very big man have him on about 2200 calories. Read where beans and corn bread are high in calories. Well figure 2 bowls and two pieces of cornbread is a just a little over what he will be allowed for a meal. And they had the audacity to say they weren’t good for you.
    Yeah! tell that to some poor smuck that was raised on them. Get the livin’ tar beat outta ya.
    We had a long time ago made his lunch his biggest meal so figure beans and cornbread it is for that meal. The nerve of some people saying beans ain’t good for a feller.
    Yes, I know we are in for a lifetime of watching/counting every morsal slither down his throat.
    News and rumors
    I am only listing the word rumors as it filled a need.
    I think if in Tennessee they are out checking on one’s supplies they are giving theirselves away. I think if this continues and it happens elsewhere I am in hopes that the alert will go out and sent to us.
    Please keep us in the know.
    Things don’t look a whole hell of a lot better than last week. Just a bunch of blather and the world not getting anywhere. Just so thankful it is still on it’s axis. Wonder they haven’t messed that up.
    I am so tired, and I mean dog tired of all the crap. Just plain weary as my mom used to say.
    But I am so very glad my HOPE is not in them.

    • ellen i am glad your son is feeling better. i remember when my mom would eat a white bread her blood sugar would spike also.

  21. Grannytraveler says:

    I ordered more antibiotics from CalVet Supply. Have a pretty good assortment now. Enough I think for kids and grandkids. Even the ones with allergies. Also bought a PDR pill guide. Trying to get my hard copies of all my stuff organized into notebooks. I have quite a library now. LOL. Also picked up a couple of LED headlamps and flashlights at Home Depot. Wow, those things are bright. Will really come in handy camping if nothing else. The headlamps even have a brake light on the back. Good for cyclists I guess. Also bought a galvanized trash can to put the dog food into. Might pick up a couple more for storage to keep any mice out.

    • That’s what I forgot to mention. Thanks Grannytraveler.
      I printed out some recipes for candy. Regular and sugar free.
      Have to get a binder now, things are in a pile.

  22. offshore day says:

    A light week for preps. Got big ticket item that consumed my budget, a 250 gal water storage tank. Picked up some extra butane lighters on sale.

    Have been looking at some different lanterns, not sure of which way to go… battery or fuel driven (kerosene, oil etc). Any suggestions from the Wolfpack

    • Hunker-Down says:

      offshore day,

      Battery lanterns will not burn your house down like the others.

    • riverrider says:

      offshore, jm2c….we keep several diff kinds, but have a solar lantern for long term, and keep several solar walkway lights as well. we use the propane first, then oil, then solar/rechargables.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Well, od, I’ll take a stab at your question about lanterns. My advice is free, so take it for what it’s worth.

      You may want to consider getting lanterns that use fuels AND lanterns that use batteries. That’s because the batteries may go bad and you’d be up a creek without an alternate source for light. By the same token, you might run out of fuel and that’s when some rechargable lantern batteries will serve you well.

      Also, it may be safer and cleaner to use kerosene lanterns outdoors and battery lanterns indoors. Or if you do use fuel in indoor lanterns, think about using lamp oil in a lamp. Lamp oil is more expensive than kerosene but won’t stink or turn everything black like kerosene does. You want to be sure to get clean burning wicks, too.

      Battery lanterns tend to be far too bright for merely lighting up a room or far too dim if you want to read a book. However, there are some models that are bright and have dimmer switches so you can use them for both room lighting and reading. These would be the best choice, IMO, because they offer varying degrees of brightness.

      If you get lanterns that will accept rechargable batteries or have built-in batteries, you will want to ensure you can recharge them. You’ll most likely want a solar charger for the rechargables and a power source (like a generator or 12VDC battery) to recharge the built-ins.

      There are some flashlights that can be used as lanterns as well as flashlights. Here’s one of them that I really like: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=streamlight+44900&x=10&y=22

      • Matt in Oklahoma says:

        Offshore Day I suggest a layered approach. Battery lantern will indeed not start fires as easily but they will not work after emp or long term storage either. Have some of everything, start with batteries then go to kerosene or some type of fuel and also have solar and crank styles so that all your bases are covered. Also have some chemlights as well, they can even be used for fishing bobbers and tripwire alarms when combuned with mousetraps etc.

        • What will quit working in a battery-powered lantern after an EMP? I can understand batteries going bad if they’re left in the lantern for an extended period of time – which is why we leave our lanterns empty until needed. Are you saying the bulbs will be affected by an EMP?

          This doesn’t make any sense…

      • Grannytraveler says:

        I agree. I have every kind of lighting I can think of. Lots of battery run lanterns, old coleman fuel lanterns, solar garden lights to bring inside for a little light, olive oil lamps, hurricane lamps with lamp oil, etc. Costco has a special right now for a little solar panel that can be used to charge all of your small electronics with a solar lantern for $109.99. I WANT IT!!! Unfortunately it is not in the budget. Wish Santa was listening. It would be great for camping too which we do a lot. (Rationalization, the secret of happiness). Always run into problems charging the phone. Funny how dependent we are on those things now.

    • SrvivlSally says:

      offshore day, you would do well to have rechargeable batteries and a solar charger lamps as well as kerosene and straight old used filtered vegetable oil will also work in empty kerosene lamps. Just soak up some oil with the wick, use your fingers to stain out the excess, set the wick into it’s holder, fill the lamp’s holder as you would with kerosene and set the wick alight. I have a lamp waiting with vegetable oil in it because I know that it is going to give me light during the next power outage. With a shiny curved plate behind an oil lamp, the light will be increased and fill a room much better. Mirrors are good for reflecting light but you have to turn them so that when reading a book, looking at a battery-operated television or anything where your field of vision is in line with them, you will still be able to see alright. As you will find, sooner or later, reflective angles are crucial to comfort. If you plan to take a lantern outside, make sure that it is made for such conditions as wind, cold, etc. When the you know what hits the fan, if you do not know how to extract oil from vegetables or do not have enough vegetables to get any from, battery power or wood may be all that is available, depending on where you live, so a few sets of batteries might be helpful. A backup to every backup, until there are no more backups at your disposal, is the only way to go.

  23. I did not do much except procure some firewood . My younger son took the 10/22 and dialed in the scope that I put on.I took a trip to SanfranSisco yesterday to visit a lady in the hospital. Her mother bought us dinner at a nice resturuant in daily city afterwords. Then the almost 3 hour drive home.I helped sell a marlin xl7 at a gunshop wednesday. The buyer was a nice young man who is going to be in the army after hischool.I explained the features and he went to the counter and bought it. His dad told him that he was crazy to buy a rifle if he was going in the army but I told the kid that every man needs a rifle of his own.It was a 30/06 that he bought. That kinda made me feel good. I did not want to tell him his Dad was wrong I just mentioned that a rifle that he bought would be his.Maybe I helped the kid with his preps.

  24. I’m relatively new to the site and to prepping. M.D., you, this site, and the members of this site have all been of great assistance to me gaining an understanding on the important things I need to do to effectively begin my preparations. Although I’m not exactly youthful, I’ve fortunately done a few things right earlier in my life. I’ve always had a natural tendency to avoid debt. I’ve been a long term believer in keeping physically fit. I recognized a while back the need for self protection and have my ccw permit and make an effort to regularly practice and keep my skills tuned. That being said, I now understand that I have a heck of a lot of things I haven’t done in the past that I should and could have. So what I’ve been doing is reviewing as many of the past posts as possible to learn and have started making plans and to do lists. Although I have much to do, I have started on the basics of beginning to store water, food, and other basic supplies such as flashlights – can’t have enough, right Lint Picker! I also have a list of things needed to purchase as I have the resources, and my wife and I are already planning for a garden come Springtime. While I’m not nearly as prepared as I would like to be, I know that I’m certainly more prepared than I was just a short time ago and that more progress will be coming. My thanks to all of the Wolfpack!

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Welcome to the Pack. You’re right – never can have too many flashlights. Well, unless you have over 100 like I do. That’s a lot of cash tied up in lights. I hope they make good barter items.

    • Welcome AR and spouse! Oh boy you have a lot of reading to do lol! I re-read all the time – lots of great info and always new insight, ways to do things, help for any situation. We all have those regrets of what we shoulda, coulda, woulda done as my son says – but you are ahead of the game in 3 areas yes? YES! Great starting points I think. Won’t take you long…each step forward, garden planning etc is one more step under your belt! I just got a couple of my seed catalogs and have been drooling, trying to decide…Again, welcome – I’m sure you have lots to share as well!

    • templar knight says:

      You’ve avoided debt, you’re physically fit, and you have a gun. Just add some food and water and you’re there, A.R. Well, almost there. As you will see, there is never a shortage of things we can do to be more self-sufficient. Welcome to the pack! If it can be done, has been done, or can even be thought about being done, the folks on this site know about it or have done it themselves.

    • breadmomma says:

      Welcome to our happy bunch of campers…it is a great place to learn from all and exchange ideas…lint will help you with your lighting needs info, Gayle wails on the food scene and the rest of us have tons of good info and great vibs… and MD keeps us all honest…

    • SrvivlSally says:

      AR, Welcome fellow Wolf!

  25. Sometime back someone asked if anyone was working on a symbol or something for wolf pack participants ( members) to recognize each other. Rawles has a version of the colonial american flag. I think this is a good idea, but I am not very creative. anybody have suggestions? MD?

    • Hunker-Down says:


      There was a lively discussion and several good ideas offered. I came away thinking that a phrase and response is the best OPSEC method, although I have no clue as to how to get it to the right people. Wolf Pack members with military training may know how to overcome this obstacle.

      • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

        I think a paracord bracelet is a good ice-breaker. I’ve been wearing one for about 18 months and have had a couple people stop and talk to me about prepping and/or guns. Seems those of us who are interested in food storage, guns, prepping, and the like all recognize the paracord bracelet as a universal symbol of self-reliance.

        Next time I see somebody wearing one or the next time somebody asks me about mine, I’m going to mention “MD” and see if I get a response. Then I’ll know I’ve found a Pack member and we can howl together until the cows come home.

  26. Hello All!
    This week I received 2 mixed cases of #10 cans from Augason farms.
    Bought a case of tuna and 2 cases of soup (large cans) at Aldi.
    Got a new Volcano stove which included the cover for baking etc. I am anxious to try baking with it and would appreciate any suggestions if anyone has tried this themselves.
    Took down 4 large wind-damaged trees and hope to begin splitting and stacking this week.
    Got a new copy of the Encyclopedia of Country Living after being dumb enough to lend the old copy and not having it returned.
    Stocked up on kerosene on sale at Farm and Fleet.
    Made plans and took measurements for another trap door/escape hatch in the house. This will be a project for my Christmas vacation.
    Bought 17 small containers with ice packs in the lids on clearance at Kmart. 3 sizes original price varied from 6.99 to 2.99…paid from .70 to .30 each. not certain what i’ll use them for but couldn’t pass up the deep discount. Also bought on clearance 4 spools of fishing line at .50 each and 4 wire mesh “buckets” for .60each. Got a stainless steel forceps and scissors for 50% off.
    Gayle’s excellent post on eggs has motivated me to get some chickens next spring for myself. Already have a chicken house on the acreage and am beginning to research breeds. I have a question for the poultry-keepers in the Pack. Do you think that it is best to get a single multipurpose breed (meat/layer) or a good laying breed and another breed primarily for meat? I hope this question makes sense, as obviously old layers are fit for the stewpot. What breeds would you recommend? Any thoughts would be much appreciated.
    Also this week I continue to review the excellent information in MD’s TEOTWAWKI cd and have been benefitting from the daily posts and discussions. Thank you to MD and the Pack for all of the great information.
    I hope that everyone stays safe and has a great week ahead!

    • Out of all the chicken breeds I have had and resulting cross breds (all are the standard size, no bantams) I have been most happy with Wyandotts. Mine continued to lay eggs through the winter as 1st year hens, made very good mothers and proper attitude roosters. They dress out nice size and still the rate of lay is good, about 3-4 a week form one 1st year hen. Nice size brown eggs too. They can come in a variety of colors and the nice thing is their combs are small and so there is less chance of frostbite.

      • Thank you Mid-west Mrs!
        Very helpful information. Your answer covered all the bases. I had not considered comb size before, but frostbite is certainly not uncommon in an IA winter. The Wyandotts sound like a very good solution for my situation. Did you acquire yours from a breeder in your area or from a larger supplier? Many thanks for the suggestion.

        • I lucked out, We had just moved to our new homestead and my daughter gave me her chickens. She had gotton them at an auction (I never reccomend that though!) because her nieghbors dog broke through her portable coop and killed her other chickens. They were her pets and this group I got from her just were not the same as her hand raised babys. Ok for me, I never handle my chickens unless I’ve got the axe. Keeps them wilder and more alert I think. I also had a couple of white leghorns in the group great for eggs but NOTHING else.

  27. I am not sure that this is the correct place to ask this question, but if not I apoligize. I am still learning the “ropes” here. Has anyone seen the following items, or does anyone have them or tried them.
    My thoughts on them were that I would only have to store one type of oil for the stockpile. Any input would be wonderfully appriciated. Thank you in advance WolfPack


    or this

    • Melina,

      I don’t know anything about oil lamps so I cannot answer your question. I just wanted to say this is exactly the right place to ask questions. You are sure to get answers from folks who have experience and know how.

    • I have several oil lamps and grew up with several in use as a small child. All were vigorously attached to something heavy/immobile due to fire hazards and kids/pets. So most of the ones I buy for myself are wall hangers or ceiling hangers.

    • Vienna (Soggy prepper) says:

      You can make those also. I’ve made 3 that are my favorite. I poked a hole in a canning jar lid, use a washer underneath and a nut on top with a wick threaded thru. I found pints work, but the half pint jars are cooler because I can change the contents for the holidays. lol I put little candy bars in them for Halloween, plastic snowflakes for Christmas, little colored pencils in September. The only thing you can’t use is a petroleum based product, it leeches out into the lamp oil. DD made little clay hearts and we dropped them in for Valentines, yuck, they disintegrated.
      Ebay has the glass wicks/inserts that you can pop thru a lid. There is also a site I went to that has the premade lids with a hole for the glass insert. They work awesome too.
      The homemade ones I did with the nut and washer do wick up excessive amounts of oil if filled to full, like it pools on the lid. The tops you can buy with the premade hole and all one piece don’t do that.
      Also for the olive oil lamps you can make those at home too. I use a wide mouth half pint jar. DH had some copper wire (half a pencil round) that I bent into a squiggle like Lehmans site shows to hold the wick out of the oil and the other end to loop over the jar. Awesome! My absolute favorite candle.
      Don’t use a tall jar, I tried that too. Soot all over the glass. I tried flower wire too, way to thin and didn’t let the wick burn right. I actually may have burnt some of the wire.
      Just my experience with those two types of “oil lamps”. Hope that gives you a better idea of them.

      • Gayle, JP, and Vienna;
        Thank you so much for your input. I have seen these for quite a while but have put off ordering them because I was not sure how they would work.
        After your semi tutorial Vienna, I may have to give it a try on my own 🙂 I am after all just a touch crafty, and have a tendancy to repurpose many things here.

        So my after Christmas list of learn items is growning one by one 🙂
        Thank you WolfPack.

    • Hunker-Down says:


      I’m not with the majority here. Murphy’s law is proven at our house on a consistent basis. A half pint jar holds just to much fuel to control if an accident occurred. Lots of fire departments have stories of candles burning down houses during a power outage. Those jars can hold a thousand times the instantly flammable fuel of a candle.
      I’m sticking with battery operated lanterns, rechargeable batteries and solar chargers.

      • Jo (Georgia) says:

        we float the oil in ours. add water in the bottom to use up most of the space in the jar then pour the oil in on top. Not as much to put out if things go bad and wet things don’t catch fire as easy.

        • Vienna (Soggy prepper) says:

          Vegetable oil and olive oil lamps won’t catch fire if spilt. They go out. It’s not like lamp oil that will catch fire.

    • blindshooter says:

      All the oil lamps I have and use are glass with wide heavy bases. I don’t think the canning jars are such a good idea, maybe in a situation where that was all you get but it’s too easy to find old lamps that are hard to knock over. When I do use one I put it on a solid surface and out of the way. I also have several fire extinguishers handy….

      • Having a good amount of baking soda on hand is a must for me. I dont trust that a fire extinguisher will not malfunction in some way, and baking soda will put out a small fire.

        • Jarhead 03 says:

          TG, very smart, that’s what the local FD suggest to have on hand in the kitchen with grease fires if you don’t have a lid or towel near by to put it out.
          I keep two boxes next to the stove.

  28. M. D., I have heard of other people using the pallets to build compost bins and I have considered doing that but wasn’t sure how long the wood holds up on the pallets. I would like to know in the future how long yours last.

    I picked it up a notch this week since I had kind of been slow lately so here is my list:
    *Order from Honeyville: two #10 cans Ovaeasy Egg Mix, one #10 can of peas and one of celery.
    *Received and put away backordered items that came in from EE: #10 can green beans and burn gel for first aid kit. Current order from EE of 2 #10 cans FD Asian chicken, #10 can of FD sharp cheddar cheese, and 2 forehead thermometers for the vehicle first aid kits also arrived this week.
    *Picked up co-op order from Breadbeckers: 45 lbs. hard white wheat, 2 lbs. millet, XL bread pan and recipe book.
    *Grocery shopping: 3 cans sloppy joe mix, 3 tubs cake frosting, 4 bags chips, onions, bread for freezer and it was all on sale and I used coupons! Saved 25% on all the grocery items! This is mostly short term food items to replace what we use out of the pantry.
    * Samsclub trip: 8 cans Lesueur peas, 12 cans tomato sauce, 8 cans tuna, container bay leaves, 3 body lotions, 2 bottles ranitadine, foil, ham, 2 lbs sausage, 72 slice pack of american cheese, and 24 pack of hot dogs (I freeze them in smaller packs of 4 each).
    * Purchased two black backpacks for our BOB from L A Police Gear when they had them marked down to $27 each this week. Now I can get the bags packed and will keep them in totes on the shelp by the cars.
    The BO food items will be packed in a 5 or 6 gallon bucket with a gamma lid to make it easy to add items plus easy to open when we need it.
    And Lint, I got another flashlight! Just a little small keychain light for free from the guy who did the radiator service on DH’s truck. DH got a Randall knife he bid on Ebay and it is really nice. He was happy because he got it for a great price and didn’t have to wait till 2016 to receive it. That is how long it takes to get if you order directly from Randall. He says it is another one of his “toys”. He also picked out his Christmas present: a nice food processor and that was delivered Thursday.
    I know this has become long but I want to remind everyone to be careful who you tell about your supplies and if you can, try and request unmarked boxes. After the heads up on the Feds trying to get names from the LDS on who buys from them, it is a reminder of how careful we need to be and how much we reveal here on out in the public. Rather safe than sorry.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Congrats on getting a free keychain light. I use mine all the time,, although it wasn’t free. Scratching head….how come I never get free flashlights?

    • Jo (Georgia) says:

      Nuttbush, and MD regarding the pallet compost bin Mine held up for 3 years before the bottom rotted out. I think if you lined the first foot with something else you’d get a lot more time out of it. Its just that first foot stays wet all the time.

  29. Tinfoil Hat says:

    First off, let me own up, I’m guilty of taking shots at Rawles, and it is uncalled for. It’s not like the mans ever done me wrong or something. I’ve considered what our fearless leader has said, and I think it can be likened to the rivalry that existed between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. Both had a vision of what was best for our young nation (Adams a strong federalist Jefferson very pro-states). During the late 18th century early 19th, the two camps and there followers sniped, oftentimes viscously at one another. But during each of there respective administrations, they gleaned and adopted various aspects of the others positions to encourage what was best for the nation (Adams repealing the alien and sedition acts, Jefferson’s Louisiana purchase). Perhaps we should recognize that both MD and Rawles want what’s best for our nation and camps, but differ on overall opinion on how best to achieve it.

    Anyway, what did I doto prep this week?
    -Submitted an article on Suburban Survival that lit up quite a $hitstorm on this site.
    -began examining potential retreat locations and regions that work well with my job.
    -purchased 1 gallon of peanut oil
    -purchased 2 liters olive oil
    -purchased 2 cases of bottled water on sale
    -got my marlon model 60 22 lr back from its warranty fix from Remington (finally)

    • breadmomma says:

      down side of the oils is that after a while they do go rancid…olive oil has a longer life..up to 3 years if un open, but the peanut oil will go south much quicker…
      you can put vitamin e oil in it to help out…

      • Tinfoil Hat says:

        Thank you! I’ve heard mention before on this site about being able to freeze olive oil? Any idea if this is true, and if so, how it would be done? And thank you for the tip on the peanut oil, but I should be good on that front. I have a deep fryer, and my guilty pleasure is homemade French Fries (probably why regardless of how many miles I run or situps I do, that last 4 lbs won’t ever go away lol)

        • yeah you can freeze it. so far five years plus and still good.

        • Yes, I buy olive oil when it is BOGO and put it in the freezer. It thaws out just fine and there is no noticeable change in taste or texture.

          • Does anyone know if you can freeze other oils, i.e. canola, corn or regular vegetable? If so I will put my small amount of “other” oils in the big freezer.

            • breadmomma says:

              most other oils don’t really freeze..some are treated to keep them from setting up…for health reasons, I stick to olive oil…nut oils freeze well.
              sunflower oil is a good one to have as well…when I was working in Russia, that is what everyone used…seems that everyone had their own grinders or oil press and sold the oil in every street market, and in every recycled pop bottle they could find…great stuff…wish I could find a press to make my own oils…

          • Jo (Georgia) says:

            do you need to pour some out first to make head room?

        • breadmomma says:

          real guilty pleasure…frying your potatoes in duck or chicken fat…amazing…yummy…and if you have access to beef fat…tallow is what Mc D’s were fried in for years…go to Belgium or Holland, tallow all the way, or at least it was when I was there…tasty…

          • One word LARD!!! Pig fat is the best also, makes the best pie crust, fries, fried chicken etc ,etc,etc, bacon fat is good also. Mom used to keep a coffe can full of bacon fat under the sink and used that for everything. I cook my bacon in in the microwave on paper towels, guess I need to start frying it in a pan to keep the fat but the doctors say that is BAD. But you know all the old folks in my family ate butter, lard, bacon, eggs etc and lived till late 80’s and mid 90’s go figure!!!

          • You can buy an oil press from Amazon…$139.00 and they do work. The Piteba Nut and Seed Oil Expeller Oil press. We grow sunflowers commercially for oil. This press does not press olives. We have olive trees. If you get a bunch of olives and crush them then add water a layer of oil will rise to the top…you can skim that like you do cream on raw milk. Takes a bunch of olives and elbow grease, but it can be done. I prefer the Piteba Press…works great with nuts, rape seed (canola), sesame seeds. Most oils freeze very well.

  30. paid off the mortage on the house and land

    4 years early and already got deed and title in hand no more big debts


  31. my d.h. and i were discussing if a situation were to happen because of a disaster, emp, etc. where he would not be able to return home from work for several days, weeks or ever would i be able to survive. his work is 50 miles one way. he said if he had to walk home it would take 3 to 4 days. (he had a neck broken in the first gulf war) so he can’t run or jog. we have over a year’s supply of food, meds., fuel, supplies etc. i’m practicing with my pistol and rifle (i’ll still probably shoot myself in the foot). what am i missing?
    i’m somewhat concerned about securing this house. it has 2 sets of french doors and a sliding glass door and large windows. last week i recieved to boxes of sandbags and have purchased sheets of lumber. would that be good enough for the doors?
    as for as prepping, i canned 10 pints of mustard, 10 pints of turnip and 7 pints of collard greens. i hope everyone has a great week.

    • how about having your husband carry a bicycle to work. i see cars all the time with bikes on bike racks. i dont think it would be something that would stand out. he could tell everyone he had taken up a new hobby. with a bike,he could easily get home in two days and i truly doubt you would find anyone going rogue for at least a few days where you live. now if you where in little rock,,,,,,,,,, id say the second the power goes out youd have to have the guns at the ready.

      • bctruck, he does have a bike, he’s put a emer. bag in the trunk. i would have to see if it would fit in the car. (he leave’s me with the truck and takes my little car to work).

      • On a bike, you could easily do 50 miles in 4-5 hours.

    • riverrider says:

      pam, i think you could make those french doors very secure w/ that. when the event happens, nail up the board over the doors. cut out a small hole for observation tho. prior to event, fill sandbags and stack nearby or, if like me you have a tractor, load them on pallets/trailer to pull up to the doors. stack the bags when needed on the inside,perpendicular to the door. contrary to army doctrine, you don’t need 3 rows if you stack them this way. good luck.

      • I also work about 45 miles away and would have to go thru a town that I am sure will be in a real bad shape if something big happens. The town is half way and is about 20% drug dealers etc and the cops will not go to one side of town after dark unless they go with at lest 3-4 cars and 7-8 officers. Would have to go about 10 miles out of my way if on foot, so I have rented a small 5×10 unit a few blocks from work and put a motocross enduro bike that is kick start so it will be EMP proof and other supplies there. Cost me about $3-400 a year to keep but gives me peace of mind that I can get home in a couple of hours and not days if something hits the fan, and with a bike I can get around most obstacles.

        • now that is an awesome idea! great planning!

          • A friend of mines dad did that Goerge. He was a chief engineer on a merchant ship and he kept a honda 90 or 110 for transportation around town. Same Idea that you have though.

        • george, i hope that no one will have to go through those types of emergencies but, nothing surprises me anymore.
          thank you for the storage unit idea.

      • riverrider, thank’s for the idea about stacking the bags perpendicular. we live out in the country but, the town that we are closest to has built a public housing project about 3 miles from the house and during the last 6 months there has been problems in that area.

        • I have to ask… is your floor a concrete slab? If not, sandbags
          will destroy your home unless you reinforce the floor joists.
          I’d also suggest a stud-finder to locate the 2×4’s inside the
          walls and use 2 inch screws instead of nails. Maybe a battery
          powered drill with an extra battery too in case power goes
          out. Talk to your husband. Maybe a safe room would be
          better for one person to defend. The sandbags I’ve seen
          disintegrated in the sunlight and were a bugger to fill and
          stack. If your husband is at work, could you manage them?
          (No answer required, just thinking out loud.)

          • cosmolined, the floor is concrete slab. i could probably handle the sandbags. i can lift about 70 pounds but anything heavier would be a no go. (had left lung removed and when they broke my ribs, they never grew back together) so i am pretty wimpy and would need to take several breaks. to be 20 again and know what i know now.

            • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

              pam, have you got a pile of sand for filling the sandbags?

              There are foldable bikes available that will fit into a compact car’s trunk or backseat. They aren’t cheap, but they will speed up your husband’s return trip home.

              Installing 4×8′ sheets of plywood is hard to do alone. It’s best to have them pre-drilled as somebody already mentioned. Install some nails now that can be used to hold up the plywood while you screw them into place.

              Loading up sandbags takes a long time because who’s going to hold the bags open while you fill them? You might want to find a stable and stout waste basket or something similar to hold the bags open and support the bags while you fill them.

              One last point, you’ll need to store your plywood flat so it is less likely to warp and thereby become virtually useless.

            • I am thinking through securing a small room in the hangar here, and will get some plywood to put over the windows in there. I thought I’d put some hooks on the wall above the windows, then some eyes on the edge of the plywood…or vice-versa. I think that will help me get the wood into position before securing it, as I too might have to do it alone, and I have trouble lifting any weight. Just thought I’d share….

            • MtWoman:
              I think LintPicker’s idea is way better than hooks. You won’t be able to lift the plywood high enough to get it on the hooks. I’d angle the finishing nails downwards a bit so the plywood would stay on and not bang me in the head while I was attatching it to the wall.

            • Jarhead 03 says:

              MTwoman, you can mount handles onto the plywood. Buy some handles or use 1X2 and make your own handles securing them with bolts. It will help you lift and place them. I have preset brackets to insert them. Mine is steel for my house windows, sliding door is plywood.

            • Ok…it all sounds good. My pieces are not big…3’X4′ maybe. I’ll measure for real and get the plywood (maybe have it ripped at the place) and figure it out. I’m thinking actually of it first for storm protection…second for defense safety. There’s no way I can secure the outside wooden door into the room….money constraints, and whatever I do has to be secret from my father… He gets really upset when I do any of these things. In fact, I could write a whole post about prepping/sheltering with an elder with senility!!!! What a challenge!!! Anyway, I can get the set-up for the window coverings without alerting him I think. Will have to think about securing the door as well for defense though. *sigh*…so much to do…so little time, energy & money.

            • Jarhead…handles sound good. Thanks.

      • Rob in Ontario says:

        Pam how about hubby carry roller blades to work also don’t take up much room but allows him to travel faster to get home and thats much better then walking

        • rob-i don’t think roller blades would work for d.h. after he broke his neck all forms of exercise went out of the picture for several years. to be honest about it, i don’t think he ever roller skated. horses were the way to go then but now he can’t do that becauses of the bouncing in the saddle. but thank you for the idea.

    • SrvivlSally says:

      pam s,
      I do not want to scare you or cause you additional worry, but if a person can get a flat-edged crowbar up underneath the edges of your plywood, I own one myself and they are great for popping open some doors and prying wood loose, they can loosen up your work to get inside or, if the doorway is large enough, they could possibly use a pickup to push their way through. I have pulled down high tree limbs with my pickup truck and pushed on things with it’s front end and there are many people out there who would not hesitate to make easy work of it. In the last year, I have seen many shows where criminals try stealing ATM machines with their vehicles, their cars go right through business walls and they use them to do all sorts of things with. Would some people try to drive right through your house or your neighbor’s down the road? Wall it up but also get yourself to someplace safe. Upstairs is not a good idea because if the wrong area is hit then you could get hurt when the upper floor gives way. An underground tunnel to an escape room with thick doors and a secondary way out of that is a good option but you want to make sure that nobody knows about it or will be able to access it when you enter inside. Never keep all of your survival goodies in one location because if somebody gets to them, they will clean you out.

      • s. sally- i hear you on the thiefs running cars through doors. the little grocery store in the town of waldo (about 5 miles from the house) had their doors smash through by a truck. thiefs were after the atm.

        • lint- the people from whom we bought the house left a dump truck load of sand behind the work shed. i put the plywood lying flat in the corner of the workshed. i’ll talk to husband about putting the screws in place along the doors. thank you for the suggestions.

          • Jarhead 03 says:

            Pam, I have sliding doors and will share my set up.
            I have brackets installed so all you have to do is put the plywood in insert/bracket at the base.
            Once you prop it up, the brackets on the top and sides slide over to keep them in place, this way you don’t have to worry about hammering or drilling. To blend in cover the plywood with drapes of vertical blinds.

            For the bike, I have a fold up bike that fits in the trunk or back seat. Not as comfortable as a mountain bike or beach cruiser but it gets you where you need to do, just do periodic inspections, have a repair kit in case of a flat and have a mini air pump. He can switch the seat as well to a more comfortable seat.

            • jarhead- do you use just the heavy duty brackets and you put them on top, sides and bottom? i’ve got to check on the fold up bike. i bought him a reg. bike for his birthday but, it’s big and i checked the length and it won’t fit in the back of the car.

            • Jarhead 03 says:

              Pam, the brackets at the bottom are sort of a slide/drop in heavy duty bracket. You can go cheap and cut a section of aluminum or steel that looks like a square “U” shape that has a flat bottom and drill them into the sliding door sill, that will give you the leverage to drop it in. At the top you can go with a slide lock to hold it in place with ease just drill them into the stud and make sure the slide is long enough. Slide locks are at every hardware store. If the slide lock is not long enough you can cut the handle part off, slide out the sliding lock part and replace it with a solid piece of metal of the same diameter.

              This way once you have one side propped up, just slide the slide lock closed with ease.
              You can place one in the center (left) center (right) and four on top (center of each left and right board) with the center of the two boards not being so secured you can have a small section of 2X8 plywood with pre-drilled holes and pop them in place with some 1″ – 2″ wood screws.

          • pam s:
            What a person needs to prepare for are the break and grab type of folks. I am not sure, but I think people can’t crash into more than one building to rob it…. If you are alert and YOU WILL BE in this kind of event, anyone who tries to pry off your protection will get the welcome they deserve. The object of this is to limit the avenues of attack. Then you protect the entrance that your husband will use to come home and add to your security.
            I may have been misunderstood, you have to screw through the plywood to make it secure. Having a nail type
            guide at the top of the door will enable you to place the plywood. Then you need to screw it down at least every foot or so.

            • Dang… I hate it when a Jarhead is smarter than I.
              Lady, Jarhead03’s idea takes all the effort out of having to lift the plywood. In addition, the braces would be out of sight and you wouldn’t have friends ask you why the nails are in your walls. I’d still suggest you use a stud finder to mark the studs and maybe put small dots on the floor moulding so you know where to place the screws.

              Big thanks to Jarhead 03! John

        • Pam S.,

          You mean Waldo, as in speed ticket capital of the world?

          • gayle, you got that right. there in not even a stop light in town but you can be sure the have a police car stationed at every side road in town.

            • Pam S.,

              I drive through there on my way to visit my folks. I think someone could make a lot of money selling bumper stickers that say “Waldo Sucks!”

              On the news the Waldo sheriff was saying that they don’t write tickets for anything less than 10 miles over the speed limit. Well, I have a friend who is National Guard–just got back from Afghanistan–who got a ticket for going three miles over the speed limit.

              AAA did an investigative report and found there were only two speed traps in the United States–Waldo and Lawdey. Go figure.

    • Jo (Georgia) says:

      I would say have something to keep your head and heart occupied in the mean time Its very lonely worrying and a hands busy hobby would help. I second the bike mentions, but would add that a motor for that bike would be fantastic. Could siphon gas out of the truck if need be and its a lot more maneuverable. 50 miles is a long way to bike if your not used to it.

  32. This week I actually managed to get a few things.
    I have been hitting the 10/$10 sales at Kroger. With that I managed to pick up some more chili and tuna. I also got some more TP with their sale both last week and this week. I cant seem to get enough TP in this house, we use it faster than I can stock it.
    At autozone this week I found a small keychain multi tool and a waterproof flashlight 2/$5. So I picked up one of each. I also found a small wind-up flashlight and picked up some more candles.
    My parents got a load from Florida to California coming right thru here, so I had them pick me up 2 citrus trees. They found me an ever-bearing lime and a navel orange. With tax it cost me $30.
    Otherwise I have been doing some research. I am hoping to do some chickens this spring so I have been reading up on caring for them (thanks for the thoughts on that earlier this week) and now I am looking into chicken coop designs. We have predatory birds in the area along with raccoons. I am also concerned with my pup, as she wouldnt try to hurt them, but in trying to play I can see a lot of problems. So I am thinking about doing a large run for them.
    I have also been looking into the care of the citrus trees. I think for the time being I am going to need to keep them in large pots so I can bring them inside when we get the few freezes we do each year.
    I want to say thanks to Jarhead on his thoughts for a solar distiller. I think after Christmas my kids and I will do a “science project” and then again in the summer.

    • This site here: http://www.mypetchicken.com/catalog/Chicken-Coops-c3.aspx
      has a whole slew of plans that have a roof or fencing over the top that would help keep out the predators. I don’t know about the quality of their kits but they also sell plans. Then again you can also just get ideas and alter one of them to suit your needs.

    • Copperhead says:

      My SIL built a 10×20 ft run for our 10 hens and put chicken wire over the top to prevent the hawks from getting them. He then laid about 2 ft of the chicken wire on the ground around the run and covered that with soil with gravel mixed in so nothing could dig under it to get at them. This is our 2nd year and not one thing has managed to get in! We have coyotes, fox, opposums and many hawks and owls.

    • Jarhead 03 says:

      TG, you are welcome. I may have an email link for people that have questions. Until then if you have any questions or advice just put my name first so I can see it in email updates or viewing what people did for the week.

      Even in winter, try it to see what you get out of it, this way you have an idea of your production rate and with emergency space blankets or other reflective material to increase use of the sun. Science project for the kids is fun but remember this is a slow process.

    • Jo (Georgia) says:

      we are building a chicken coup with a green roof, useing that to grow things to feed the chickens, also keeps critters out. If you google green roof chicken coup you should find the plans. (they weren’t free and they weren’t worth buying we made so many changes, but the picture is a good place to start.)

  33. i a;ways kep 35 gallons of gas on hand. i dont treat it because when my pickup need sgas,i pour it from the cans and put the cans in the truck and fill them up instead of my pickup. i used to fuel at the mom and pop in town but you had to go inside to pay rather than swipe a card outside at the pumps and they asked alot of questions about why i needed so much gas. so i moved down the street to do business with an establishment i dont like because the owner lets his garbage blow all over the town.plus,when weve had the electricity go out over the years,he gouges people on gas prices and food staples. i was fuleing my gas cans and a total stranger walked up and asked what i was filling up so many gas cans for. i asked him if he worked at the store and he said no. i asked why he cared how much gas i was getting. he said i just wanted to know if you know something i dont. i told him i had a farm with lots of equiptment that used gas and only came to town once a month.im gonna have to start fillin my cans in another town. i dont want people to remember the fat guy that has lots of gas but is never home. i spent a very happy week in my shop building my rocket stove. it worked better than i could imagine. i cooked on it and did a water boiling test. the first test was just one quart of water with no heat retaining ring. it took 13 minutes to coma to a full boil. the secont test was one gallon of water with a heat ringsurrounding the pot with a lid on the pot. it came to a full rolling boil in 7 minutes flat. im pumped and excited. the abilty of being able to purify water with minimal fuel and time is quite satisfying. ill include a link to the video of me cooking my breakfast on my brad build rocket stove. if youd like to see the actual building of it, they are on my channel as well.

    • did your little furry ones find what they were looking for on you last video? they are cute.

      • that was a joke video in response to a guy called old300prepper. he was asking if anyone had seen his dog red and everyone all over the country was doing vids hollering for red. it was pretty funny but i guess you had to see it from the start. he didnt really lose his dog.just a bunch grownups with to much time on thier hands. !!!

        • bc- well i still liked the video. good thing you let me in on the joke or i’d still be wondering where red was.

    • SrvivlSally says:

      How to avoid nosy people. When faced with having to answer, say, “Sorry…but I’ve got a call coming in,” then open your phone, quickly put it to your ear and start chatting up a storm. If they are rude and try to get your attention away from “the call”, just start turning slowly turning your backside to them and slowly and gradually keep yourself a-movin’. When people get tired of trying, especially without the results they are lookin’ for, they will give up. But never let your guard down and always be ready to answer “the call.” Don’t forget that you like to have your phone set on silent/vibrate so they won’t be able to find reason why they didn’t hear “the call” come in. When someone walks up to you when living in the city, they intend to steal from or do something to you. Watch out, look around and keep your awareness up when you are filling or doing anything next time because there is no place safe on this earth. Keep an eye out for things, too. Not even in the smallest of towns.

    • Brad,

      Just look them right in the eye and start quoting Shakespeare. They will think you are crazy and leave you alone.

  34. charlie (NC) says:

    M.D. I saw this item in a e-mail flyer this morning and thought it might come in handy for you or some of the other members of the pack.

    • i bought a driveway alert from harbor freight that is battery powered and wireless. it was only $17.00 i have lazy deer here though.instead of jumping over my fence like any deer worth his salt,they walk thru my driveway gate and that alarm will sure enough make you sit up in bed and take notice,

      • Brad, can you tell us what the lower limit is for setting it off? Adults, kids, pets? The one Charlie referred to says it is electromagnetic and won’t detect animals/people. Each kind could have its uses.

        • its not the metal detecting kind. only a motion sensor. i would like to have just the metal detecting kind but the driveway gate is the only way into my property and would like to be warned of people coming in thru the gate as well. im now closing my gate at night and turning off the heartattack machine at night.

    • We went with the Dakota Alert system (http://www.amazon.com/Dakota-Alert-Long-Range-System/dp/B00104QGXA), very happy with the performance. Besides one for the driveway, mounted them in our outbuildings as burgler alarms too. The furthest is about 400 yds away and inside a steel polebarn, no problem receiving the signal. Lots of possibilities for them in a SHTF situation.

  35. This week just seemed to pass in the blink of an eye. I ordered some red pepper spray for self protection. I also ordered some garden seeds from Vegan Seeds. They are located here in Florida and the seeds are non hybrid, non GMO. I will give them a try this spring, and if they do well, I will order more.

    The tomatoes I planted in September are bearing fruit. HeeHeeHee. It’s December and I am fixing to walk out to my garden to pick a fresh tomato. You just got to love Florida.

    Rooster News: I think the roosters have gotten the message. They seem to have found a new place to roost. (But the garden rake is sitting on the back porch if they decide to come back.)

    • Maybe they have moved over to “the neighbor”‘s!!! Revenge could be sweet! 🙂

      • Nope. They’re back. Roosting in the tree right now. My dh came home tonight with a slingshot and some slingshot ammo. We are going to be eating chicken soup tomorrow! Do ya’ll think I should be neighborly and invite her to supper?

        • Oh yeah! Absolutely invite her! Or, extend the “love” by offering her a few jars of soup, brimming with delicious rooster stock!

        • Jarhead 03 says:

          Gayle, I had the same issue years ago when my neighbors chicken would lay eggs right next to my door, I had eggs for breakfast. When the chicken wore out its welcome it became dinner.

    • Hunker-Down says:


      If you have any sympathy at all for us Northern Wolf Pack members you would not mention picking tomatoes in December. Frozen farmers find fickle Florida friends frustrating.

      • H-D, if it makes you feel better, I have a cherry tomato plant I bought to see how late I can grow here. I had the cutest green tomato, sitting there minding its own business, when my 2 yr old decided it offended here. She picked the poor little thing and then managed to drop it and walk all over it. Ok, no worries, I have another just getting started. It hit about the same size as the first one when she decided she was going to pick that one as well. Now I am waiting to see if I am going to get anymore.

      • HeeHeeHee. The tomato is sitting on my kitchen counter right now. It looks like they will keep producing until we get a frost, which could be well into January. You never know with North Florida. We could have temperatures in the 80s one day and then in the 30s the next.

  36. Wellrounded says:

    Been a great week here, getting so much done as we have 3 really wonderful volunteers helping in the garden and looking after daily livestock chores. Sold a few ton of scrap metal. Ordered the last part of our spiral staircase from the local engineering workshop, looking forward to finishing it really not keen on ladder climbing first thing in the morning. Built a new pig loading race. Our first bee hive arrived this morning. Picking raspberries, youngberries, strawberries all for jam or syrups. Was given 100lb of seconds cherries, I bottle them in as heavy a syrup as possible and then use as the fruit base for dark fruit cakes for the year and to sweeten homemade yoghurt and icecream.
    Went to a farm clearance sale and bought:
    25 foot grain auger
    roof for our 16 tonne grain silo
    tractor mounted concrete mixer
    tractor driven firewood saw bench
    tractor jib
    preserving jars
    waterbath pans
    large amount insulated roofing iron
    enough timber wall lining for 1 bedroom
    drying cabinet that can be converted to a large food dryer
    sewing machine (can never have too many lol)
    set horse yards
    stock ramp
    butchers rails for a cool room
    chicken plucker (needs work)
    electric fencing materials
    and loads of other useful stuff
    Most we paid $5 for, was very little competition, seems no one has any money locally.
    Started cleaning up our hot house, going to be a big job as it’s really overgrown, need it ship shape by the end of summer. Gathering all the materials to incorporate an aquaponics system in the new floor plan, just need a few more troughs or drums.

  37. Another week of pluggin’ away… Glad to see so many folks making righteous progress. Way to go!

    – News, blogs, videos. Here’s a gut-wrenching read (and follow some of the links in the article): http://www.zerohedge.com/news/why-uk-trail-mf-global-collapse-may-have-apocalyptic-consequences-eurozone-canadian-banks-jeffe
    – Worked the jobs this week. I begin another part-time job on Monday. I’m not thrilled to have another W2, but I’m starting to see writing-on-the-wall with the part-time hospital gig. The new gig will certainly help us repay our emergency fund and pay-off more debt.
    – Tied-up a loose-end on the truck. After changing the head gasket and reassembling the engine, we discovered a tiny leak at a connection near the thermostat housing. It’s a terrible design, but it’s fixed and my little truck is running like scalded dog!
    – Added extra antifreeze to our automotive stuff.
    – 5 gallons more of stabilized fuel.
    – Grocery shopping this week. We added canned fruit, soup, and about 7 months worth of deodorant. Also popped another ham bone into the freezer and vacuum-packed navy beans.
    – Added a silvery coin to the piggy bank. Thanks, friend!

    Thanks to everyone for keeping me going… It’s great that my DW and I are on the same page, but I no longer discuss ANY of this with friends or co-workers. And, sadly, most don’t share the same committment to family or self-sufficency. Y’all rock! Enjoy the weekend, and make it a great week!

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Funny that you should mention a friend sent you a piece of silver. Recently a friend of mine sent me a great book and a small LED flashlight. Friends are great to have. 😉

  38. I’m mostly just checking in since I haven’t had much to report these last two weeks, with the exception of getting another year older last week. We grab up sale items of canned goods.

    About the only prepping I’ve done is continue to read the wonderful information here. I don’t feel like shopping after working!

    My 2012 saying is going to be “Toned in 12!” I plan on starting some sort of exercise program to tone up and shape up. If you can’t carry what you need it’s not gonna do ya any good.

    Glad to see so many of you are getting some good deals! Prep on Wolf Pack!

  39. I have been organizing our basement areas – a great cold weather project. In my downstairs sewing room, I’ve been tidying up and getting ready for the winter hibernation with some serious sewing and quilting. Over the past 5 years or so, I made a commitment to work mostly with my scrap fabrics. I have reduced my scrap fabrics by using them, not hoarding them, and making do with what I had. I have stitched up quite a few quilts with these scraps and really enjoyed using stuff from my high school cotton blouses and past quilting projects. In my sewing room, most of my fabrics are cotton and are shelved by color ranges. Last year I pulled out some of the 20+ year old uglier style cotton prints and calico fabrics and began making pillow cases with some of them. Doncha know they are quite nice! If anyone is interested, I can find a few how-to links online for others to use. I’ll never buy pillowcases again — home made is much nicer and so unique!

    Another organizational thing I’ve been working on is our seed collection. I have sorted and finished organizing our entire collection of seeds — four shoeboxes filled with envelopes and vials of seed. Now I’m in the process of making a complete list of viable seeds and saved tubers for 2012.

    Getting rid of junk aka ‘knick knacks’ too — they are heading out the door soon – they’ll either be sold or donated. I’ve already taken a truckload of clothes and household items to a donation center and will be running another ‘load’ next week. Also, food drives are going on here and it’s time to contribute.

    Good goat news! We have arranged to purchase another purebred buck and a wether from a different breeder and this buck is proven with great lineage. We asked the breeder to have them both tested for the CAE virus and it was negative so now we can pick them up. The wether is the buck’s best friend so at least they’ll be partly content when they’re transported here and have a ‘new life’ with us. I’m excited! Oh, and we are fencing the buck area now (today and tomorrow). MD, we feel your pain! Here, the boys and the girls can’t play together. We’re keeping them about 300 feet away from the girls. They can cry to each other but will only be allowed to ‘date’ with supervision. (You guys who feared the castration process can rest easy now….there’s nothing to see here….just move along…)

    I made a 5-pound slab of lemon-scented goat milk soap and it smells like lemon merengue pie. Tomorrow I plan to make another 5-pound slab of rose scented goat milk soap. It will be nice to have a few scented soaps in our stash.

    I’ve finished quilting the body of a full size patchwork quilt and now I’m quilting borders in a cable design.

    I’ve read a few books on collapsing civilizations recently — to better understand what is in store for us all. I’m now reading “The Great Depression: A Diary”. So much could be extracted from the writings and put into today’s news. I think I need a frosty mug of beer….

    • so i guess the letter writing campaign helped save the boys,,,,,,,,,boys? you see guys? strength in numbers!!!

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Lynn, I miss your Michelle stories. Can you get another pig, please? If you get a boar pig, you could call him Barry.

      • Oh, Lint, I miss her antics too and sap that I am, have dreams about her. (But the meat really is delicious….lol) We’ll be getting at least 1 pig in the Spring. I’ll tell ya what, I’ll see if MD and I could get together and come up with a naming contest or something. It could be quite funny!

        • Lynn,

          Write up a little intro and email it to M.D. We could have a lot of fun banter about trying to find a name for your pig. I have a kitten named “SU-eeeeeeeee”–first cat I’ve ever had that comes running when called.

        • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

          Ah, Lynn, you are a darlin’. A pig naming contest would be a hoot.

        • I had some friends in Cali that named their pet pot-belly pig “Dammit”. The pig liked to sleep behind the woodstove. The first time I went over for dinner, they were in the kitchen yelling: “Come here, dammit”, “Come on dammit, come on outta there; come on dammit”, trying to get the pig out from behind the stove. Cracked me up

          • MtWoman, our Golden Retriever that died this past April was named “Effin”. He lived up to his big name in soooo many ways. Around kids we called him “Finn” to keep it decent. At the vets, the staff and doctors had a blast every time he came.

            I still miss that loveable galoot so much but his name lives on with many of us. lol

  40. Awhile back someone mentioned a free shipping bulk grain company. I wrote it down but of course missplaced it [senior moment] Help??

    • Bill,

      The LDS online store has free shipping and the best prices around. Their selection is limited, however.

    • I can’t remember the name but do know when I compared the
      cost of shipping from Walton Feed with that store, Walton
      Feed beat the heck out of them here on the Left Coast. (My
      last order came out of Salt Lake City.)

      • Cosmolined,

        Are you sure you are not comparing apples with oranges? I ask because if there is a cheaper source for foodstuff in #10 cans than the LDS online store, I would like to check them out.

        • Gayle:
          My response was to the Original Poster.
          I was NOT referring to the LDS store. You will never find a better deal than they offer. I am not Mormon, so only have two of their starter boxes. They sold them to the public when I bought them.
          I was referring to a commercial business which touted “free shipping” after making their prices higher than Waltons.

          • Cosmo,

            Okay, I was fixin to get excited about a better buy than the LDS store. You can go to their website and buy a few other things besides their starter pack, even if you are not a Mormon. They have oatmeal, pinto beans, rice, flour, red wheat and white wheat.

      • Jarhead 03 says:

        Cosmo, did you find the info on the LDS store in East LA?

        • Sorry for the late response Jarhead. Not yet. Both sons are home from college. Babysitting the grandson for 4 days. He’s 2 and NEEDS supervision! LOL (A Pure Joy!!!!) After the New Year, I’ll try to make it. Thanks again for the info!

  41. I agree with your position and the fact that your blog was not mentioned by name.

    Each blog I visit brings something different to the table, some better than others.

    I enjoy the ability to interact with the other readers, but I don’t feel
    it’s necessary to start a fight unless you are ready to do it personally (ie. no pseudonyms or nicknames).

    Thank you again for managing an informative blog without getting a political agenda.

  42. Fingers crossed, but I think I’m buying a hobby farm. It’s actually a hobby ranch. My contract was accepted and, if the inspection results are okay, I’ll be moving soon. This is a HUGE leap for me. Right now I’m in Cookie Cutter Suburbia.

    I dearly hope someone writes an article about fencing. I need to learn about fencing for livestock, and for the perimeter of the property. What is electric fencing? And can fences be portable/moveable so animals can graze in different areas? So, how I do keep domestic animals in and predators out? Or keep goats out of the garden?

    The property is irrigated so I believe the chicken coop will have to be located in a drier area. There is a concrete slab near a tack room. Is there an advantage to positioning the coop on a slab or should it be on the ground?

    Any suggestions for turning the “horse area” into a “goat area?” Sorry, but I don’t even know the terminology. I have the option of selling the entire horse setup and starting from scratch with a goat area.

    A local beekeeper has agreed to locate a hive near the orchard. I’m so excited because he will care for them and we’ll barter honey and beeswax for the use of my land. The property has mature grapefruit, pink grapefruit, orange, fig, and either peach or apricot trees. And there is a grape terrace except the vines are gone. But I see where to replace them.

    Happy, healthy gophers are included free of charge. Such a deal!

    • Lane,

      That’s great news. Good luck to you.

    • Lane, I dont have any answers for you, but it sounds like you will be busy in the process of finding them. I wish the best of luck with this move.

    • Tinfoil Hat says:


      Congratulations! I’m jealous. Good luck

    • Lane, wonderful news – so happy for you, one just does not know what is around the corner. So wonderful to hear how you are doing. Wishing you lots of fun in your new adventure…think of all the new things you are going to learn.

    • Hunker-Down says:


      I wish I were in your situation.
      If you have always lived in town, your adventure is just beginning.

      Evey animal has a different approach to a fence. Sounds like your new place is already fenced for horses. Chickens will go through and over that fence. Hogs will dig under it. Goats will eat it if hungry enough. Sheep don’t cause fencing issues.
      Keep goats out of the garden with ‘chicken wire’ fence at least 5 feet high. Horses will step over a 3 foot ‘chicken wire’ fence, and goats may jump it.
      What kind of wild critters do you have that dig under things, like badgers or armadillos? You may need to bury woven wire under the soil line.

      Electric fence can be charged with house current (dangerous) with the right kind of step down equipment. DC voltage is safer and a car battery can serve, but it needs recharging often.
      Fencing can be moved if you use metal posts built for that purpose.
      If you are going to raise chickens for eggs, moving their house to a new grassy area is good for them. There are a lot of articles on line for portable chicken coops, just Google them.

      Gardening? Things you learn about gardening usually cant be used until the next growing cycle. It’s not like getting a paycheck every other week, it may be a year before the trick you learned can be put into practice in your garden.

      Whatever task you take on, and there will be thousands, if you have no hindsight in that topic, get an experienced neighbor to work side by side with you. Trade labor with them.

      What insects or animals, wild and domestic on your farm like fruit? How are you going to keep them away?

      There are experts on this blog who have lived the life you are starting. Some may not read your post this week, so if you don’t get an answer from someone with experience, ask the question again next week. When they see it they will help.

      You can do it, just not all in the next month.

  43. Greetings from Canada. I am thrilled to be connected with so many of the same minds & hearts. I have not found a group in Canada with so much passion and dedication. Most people I try to talk to about these issues don’t want to hear it and some have a few choice words. I have sooo much to learn.
    Thanks to all.
    Articles like this is what stirs emotions and hopefully action. Hopefully I submitted the link. I am not computer savvy… yet. One more thing to learn, providing the AMT don’t put an end to it all first.

    • templar knight says:

      You are in good company here, perpetual summer, as some of our most outstanding regulars hail from Canada. Stick around, you will get to know them and the rest of us. And welcome.

    • Perpetual Summer,

      Welcome to the Wolf Pack. How did you get the name “Perpetual Summer”?

      • Tinfoil Hat says:

        Welcome to the pack, PS. I’ll try not to hold being a Canadian against you :P. Just kidding. Glad to have you. 🙂

        • perpetualsummer says:

          Hello Tinfoil Hat,
          Happy to be here. You’re too funny. What’s wrong with us Canucks? Eh 😉 I’ve travelled in the U.S. a bit and surprisingly a lot of people think we live in log cabins and igloos, with no electricity or indoor plumbing. That’d make the transition back to the basics a lot easier, but…
          Since I have found this site I have; made a batch of sourdough starter, which I plan to bake in an oven in the house, not a hole in the ground… although that might be a good skill. I’m determined to make a decent loaf of bread. BOB is sitting at the door waiting patiently for some action, that I hope he never gets, and I’ve got everything together to make a batch of olive oil/coconut soap in the morning.
          I’ve gone through all of my books and hope to trade them for useful ones. Although it turns out that some of the ones I’ve had for years are useful, not in content but they are in high demand for some reason.
          This feels so liberating. People have always laughed at me for carrying a backpack with me, everywhere. I feel like I don’t have to hide away “prepping”? by myself anymore.
          Thanks ya’ll 🙂

          • Tinfoil, love Canadians! Who else keeps maple syrup, puck and a couple hockey sticks as apart of their BOB lol. The Great White North and Canadian Bacon are classic masterpieces lol.

          • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

            “Thanks ya’ll”? So you’re from Southern Canada? lol Welcome to the Wolf Pack.

      • perpetualsummer says:

        Hello Gayle,
        Thank you for the warm welcome.
        It has been a long time dream to build a vardo (gypsy caravan). I am an advocate of tiny houses, which thankfully is catching on, especially in the U.S. The vardo is to be pulled by donkeys. Donkeys don’t like the cold or wet, therefore I will have to travel where it is always summer. Perpetualsummer is not my name but a chosen lifestyle. I guess that will force me to travel in the U.S. in the winter, breaks my heart 😉

        • Perpetual Summer,

          That’s really interesting. I couldn’t put together “Canada” and “perpetual summer”. LOL Even in Florida it gets cold sometimes.

        • Jo (Georgia) says:

          There’s a gypsy vardo building workshop in Port Townsend Washington. My dad and I are thinking about going to the one this year but its all the way on the other side of the country… Anyway here’s the link if your interested http://www.ptwoodschool.com/gypsy_wagons.html

    • Hello from Ontario 😀
      there are a few from Canada, more from the Northern States, our Southern Neighbours,
      Lots of great people here, up here, I just say I prep for Natural Disasters, seems to go down better. There are more like minded people in Canada than you think there are though!
      Which part are you from? Been living in most Provinces with a few exceptions, so shoot any question away, most will give you a great honest answer. Our laws about guns and knives, self defence and home protection are different though.

    • Hello from a fellow Canadian (currently in ontario)

      Welcome to the site, the folks here have so much knowledge to share and I can honestly say that I learn something new every week.

      • Rob in Ontario says:

        Welcome hope you get your questions answered and you meet some great freinds here- i’m in central Ontario feel free to ask questions

  44. Only prepping now is trying to plan on not buying stuff. After this month income goes way down for 2-3 months and kinda get a trial run of living off the preps. This year will just be a little tighter- more practice! Always was an optimist 😉
    It is just soooo hard to past up good deals in the store when you know all the cash has to be sand bagged for mortage & bills.

  45. templar knight says:

    I got my heirloom seed order in from Baker Seed Co. I have a wide variety of everything from tomatoes to cowpeas, mostly purple hulls(don’t tell Lintpicker).

    And I got the first full mess of greens out of my little fall garden spot. My regular garden was ruined by flooding this spring, so I wanted to test a small fall garden. I got turnip greens. Yeah!

    I also moved my hog trap this week after 6 days of feeding something too small to get caught in the trap. I need to get one of those game cameras to see what the culprit is I guess. Anyway, lost 10 lbs. of corn with nothing to show for it.

    My trip to Wally World last week resulted in 2 bricks of .22lr, a box of .308, and 100 #6 shot for my 12 ga. Thanks MD, Jarhead and OP for the reminder last week in reply to Gayle’s post. Good job. I still need to buy more, but Rome wasn’t built in a day.

    I also got 12 cans of Hunt’s pasta sauce for $1 a can, 2 cases of Del Monte green beans for .68 ea. per can, tuna, canned chicken, salmon, 2 quarts of olive oil, crisco, and coffee.

    And last but not least, I went duck hunting yesterday and killed 2 mallards. I missed several so I really need to work on my shotgun skills. My buddy got his limit, and made my look bad in the process. LOL. I didn’t have enough for a mess, so he gave me some of his, and I’ll be grilling them tonight. Fresh duck wrapped in bacon and grilled, OMG, it don’t get much better. That’s it. Good prepping to all.

    • Tinfoil Hat says:


      I never understand when folks here talk about scoring bricks of 22 lr and JHP 9 and 45 rounds at china mart! Whenever I go, I’m lucky if they ave 12 ga buckshot on the shelves! What am I missing here?

      • tfh, some wallyworlds don’t push gun related sales like others. it seems here in va they only sell guns/ammo because the have to. i went to one out west and it was like guns-r-us in their store. others only stock a few boxes at a time and you have to know their schedule. thats what my buddy does. even so he sometimes runs into resistance when he wants to buy in quantity. i read on their own page that due to lost market share to dollar stores, they would be stressing the gun section more, but i haven’t seen it here. i had to go back to one store 7 times to get an 870 i wanted, said their gun manager was off. i was determined to get it tho.

        • Rob in Ontario says:

          the Walmart and Canadian Tire here used to sell guns but they don’t anymore just pellet and air soft they still sell ammo maybe the new store will when it opens here its like 4 minutes up the road

      • momengineer says:

        From a business aspect, each Walmart has a level of customization to it. For example, my town has a lot more hunting and fishing gear than the nearest “upscale” town…similarily the “upscale” town has more “organic” milk/produce than mine. Its all about what sells….

      • templar knight says:

        T H,

        I live in a rural area of No. Central Arkansas, where hunting and shooting are common occurances, so naturally guns and ammo will make up a larger portion of inventory in Wal-Marts here as opposed to an area such as Chicago, Ill. I think you will find a larger selection of guns and ammo in the South and West, as opposed to the NE, West Coast, and Great Lakes area of the Mid-West. One also has to pay attention to local laws, as gun ownership is discouraged in such states as California by 10-day waiting periods and such, thus making it more difficult to make a profit on razor-thin margins.

        • Nor Cal Ray says:

          templar knight,
          I used to run Sporting Goods Dept. for WalMart here in Ca. Most of their guns were sold as loss leaders. They really made up for it on ammo and accessories though.

      • Jarhead 03 says:

        Tinfoil, the guys are right and you are right to a point. I have drove 30 miles on my way from home to the Walmart that sells ammo 24 hours a day. Some of the Walmarts in my areas don’t sell ammo per city ordinance, some stop selling after 9pm or 10pm and a handful sell ammo 24 hours.
        In southern California they do not sell firearms, not sure about northern California.
        I have driven pass my home an additional 15 miles to see if they have the ammo I need. American Eagle “AR15 brand” 223 sells fast at $6 per 20 rounds and their Winchester 45 sells fast at $35 per 100 round box. Shotgun ammo in slug and 00 buck is hit and miss, manager told me she gets a lot of LE buying up slug and buckshot to go in their “war bag” and I have seen the 22LR.
        The manager gave me a tip: buy “target/range/plinking” ammo during the cold rainy periods. People are less likely to go shooting during those periods so it moves slower than warmer dry months where its a good day to hit the range.

        • Heads up: Anything that Walmart regularly stocks can be ordered free of charge for store pickup. So if you want Ammo X, and they only carry two or three boxes, ask them to order 100 boxes. They may ask for you to pay for it in advance, but they will order whatever you need. If a sales person gives you any grief, ask for the store manager. If the store manager gives you any grief, call the corporate office.

          This is a buyers’ economy.

          • templar knight says:

            Gayle, ordering 100 boxes of any type of ammo at a Wal-Mart will get you on somebody’s up-close and personal radar. I would advise a much lower number, and even if you have to pay more, for OPSEC purposes would recommend paying a little more and spreading the buying out over time and at different store locations. Just my 2 cents.

  46. Took biz trip to Spokane, Wa. Had opportunity to visit Cabelas(a first).
    Purchased a long waterproof coat. Looks like something out of the old west movies but will work for outside work. Used navigation skills
    on trek across Canada border and back with GPS/maps. Used to using my smartphone but did not want to pay roaming. Found it interesting that colleague and I were asked if ok to search our vehicle on entry back into U.S. reasoning to us it was random. Not a whole lot to search when you have two maps, one handheld GPS, and two Canada Trial Hockey team sweatshirts in your rental vehicle. Ok i am a prepper and had in addition to that :one knife, Nalgene bottle with water, zippo lighter, Cliff bars, lots of winter outdoor gear. Realized if something were to occur on a biz trip like this skills will come in handy with the few resources carried in.

    • Rob in Ontario says:

      I have an oilskin coat I love it for working outside it also cuts the wind great

      • Jarhead 03 says:

        Rob, you are right, oil skin coats are great. I own an oil skin duster and have used it on a few hunting and fishing trips.

  47. Cliff in Douglasville says:

    Busy week for me. Have not felt up to par in a while so checked to see when I had the usual old guy test done at the doctor and it had been a year. Went and got my A1C, cholesterol, and PSA done. Found my sugar is way out of whack (too much fast food) and told the doctor I had a pain when I pushed in under my ribs. He said does it only hurt when you push in and I said yes so he told me to quit pushing there. Anyway, went to the hospital today for some more test and an ultrasound. Found all departments are open on the weekend because the end of the plan year and new deductibles kicking in next month everyone is trying to get everything done. Only thing I couldn’t get done this month was a colonoscopy.
    Made a Sam’s run accompanied by DW. Got my 25 cases of bottled water, got lots more TP (the right kind) and paper towel, more paper plates and OTC medications. Picked up a bunch of stuff for the first aid kit too.
    Stopped off at the Salvation Army red kettle and noticed that the guy tending the kettle would play a part of a Christmas song on his horn but as soon as they people walked away he would quit. I dropped some money and then stood in front of him until he played the whole song. Not nice of me but if you are going to do something like request charity then the requester has a responsibility to carry through with his part plus I enjoyed the song. He was gone when we came out of Sam’s.
    I am waiting on one more big order from Augauson farms next week and then I’ll stop buying through the mail until the holiday season is over. Packages don’t get very gentle treatment this time of year and bent cans are suspect cans.

    I would ask that MD look through his email for a request to advertise here from Truewilderness.com I have shopped his store and really like him, his help and his stock. He’s a frequent lurker here and said he had made contact a while back to advertise but never heard back. He’s one of the good guys and would make a good addition to the advertisers.

    Merry Christmas to all. Happy holidays for what ever holidays you celebrate. When people ask me what I want for Christmas I ask for peace on earth and good will toward men. Get a lot of shrugged shoulders so that means I’ll get more socks and underwear. Truthfully, if the world could just take a couple of days and stop hating each other so much it might not be such a bad place.

    • Cliff,

      I do not remember getting an email from Truewilderness.com.

    • cliff- i hope you start feeling better soon. i don’t envy you the tests especially the colonoscopy!

      • Cliff in Douglasville says:

        MD, perhaps I was mistaken or misunderstood what he said. I do know that he reads the blog so maybe he’ll jump in.

      • Cliff in Douglasville says:

        Pam S, the colonoscopy is no big deal, at my age they are a fact of life. After I had my first one I ended up in the hospital where they took about 5 inches of colon out and it saved me from some cancer treatment so I don’t mind, besides, the sleep you get from the same stuff Michael Jackson was using is great, no dreams, just brain clicked off and when it’s over clicked back on. You have to take care of yourself if you are going to take care of other people.

      • I had one a couple of years ago. It was a pain in the rear.

        • Cliff in Douglasville says:

          No pain in the rear for me but during the prep phase I did get to finish 3 magazines and get a good start on a couple of books.

          • ive heard from my old freinds about the prep phase! my old freinds,,,,,,,you know in thier 50,s.

          • Just have to carry your pillow into the bathroom and spend the night with your head leaning on the pillow propped up against the wall. Oh, and your back side parked on the john. Spoken from experience, but necessary if you want to be “thoroughly” examined.

      • Hunker-Down says:


        I am old enough to have had a few colonoscopies. All except the last was done with the assistance of an anesthesiologist. You’re out, are not aware of anything, and wake up an hour later. Standard procedure.

        The last one was done using a procedure called ‘conscious sedation’, where the anesthesiologist was eliminated. I was not out, I felt pain, I squirmed around and the doctor aborted the procedure. Then he ordered an MRI with anus injected dye. Very uncomfortable, but tolerated.

        My point is, I will never agree to any procedure where the anesthesiologist is eliminated and ‘conscious sedation’ will be used. I did it the first time because they kept me ignorant of the procedural change until it was over.

        They saved the cost of one doctor and shifted the cost to me for an additional procedure.

        • Cliff in Douglasville says:

          Hunker Down, if they came at me without knocking me out they would watch my bare butt get up and walk out of there. I’m too old (61) and had too many of those procedures to ever want to be awake for one. If there’s no anesthesiologist there there won’t be a Cliff there!

          • Hunker-Down says:


            Under the influence of “conscious sedation” I was unable to walk, talk, hear, or feel people touching me. All I could do was feel internal pain as if in a bad dream. I was aware of where the pain was coming from and wanted to turn over to get relief and they couldn’t stop me, so the procedure was aborted.
            Ask before they schedule any procedure, or it may be too late.

            • Cliff in Douglasville says:


              I understand the situation and I don’t blame you for aborting the procedure. I’ll put up with almost anything but not going to do that while I’m awake at any level.
              Reminds me of some meds my sleep apnea doctor gave me for restless leg syndrome. I took it in good faith and about 10 minutes later I was trapped in an unresponsive body. I could hear but couldn’t open my eyes, I had no control of my body as far as movement and couldn’t utter a sound. That was a terrifying experience when you are aware of what is around you and you can’t do anything at all about it. Makes me wonder at some of the “strides” the medical community has made.
              If I’d known that getting this old was going to be this big of a problem for me anyway then I wouldn’t have spent so much effort trying to take good care of myself when I was young and missed out on a lot of things so I’d still be in good shape as I aged. I was wrong!!!

    • perpetualsummer says:

      If you want a little bit of inspiration watch Joyeux Noel which is based on a true story, but beware, tissue required.
      I stopped partaking in the commercialism aspect back in ’93. People always say, “I wish I could do that.” You can, just don’t do it. Who needs more stuff? Well maybe a survival book, or a case of canned fruit etc. Come to think of it socks & underware might be hard to come by in the future. Good barter items.

    • MD, I shop at True Wilderness also. They have a wide range of products and the guys are very helpful. I think they would be a good addition to the site.

  48. breadmomma says:

    Lets see, located for a low price, 3 cords of madrone, ash and alder and they delivered and helped me stack it…feel fat now! (my DH is nursing a really bad hip and we weren’t able to get out to cut our own wood this year)
    Dehydrated a lot of apples again, finally finished with this task for this year…
    family bagged two huge elk…total meat from the two looks to be about 6oo lbs….spread out amoungst 4 families should be pretty fine eating this year…making some very sexy elk/pork chorizo…
    picked up some bulk spices from Rocky Mountain Spice company…they have chorizo spices, pink salt and many other great freeze dried and tasty spices, vegetables and mixes.
    Put up 12 quarts of concentrated elk stock…reduced to a nice thick glace…should make a lot really great soups and sauces..
    dehydrated 10 more pounds of chantrelles and 10 lbs. of hedgehogs…
    and now heading out to pick up some more mayacoba beans at the Smart and Final here in the Coos…
    Also picked up the 40 year collection of Mother Earth…lots of cool stuff here…making plans to retire in August and getting the traveling chicken coup built so we can start having our own chickens and ducks…the eggs make the best noodles…
    trying to make a high protein noodle that doesn’t jack up the sugars…
    to answer Bill, I have had really good luck aquireing grain from
    Pleasant Hill Farms out in Nebraska…they had really good hard wheat, organic grains and soy beans…

    • Breadmomma…this is an amazing list! Wow! Elk….haven’t had any for over 20 years. When I did, it was the best meat I’d ever eaten. Elk stock sounds delish. And I’m assuming “hedgehogs” are mushrooms???? 🙂 And…what’s special about mayacoba beans?

      • I have a question for everyone who hunts a lot. Has anyone else noticed that deer from different areas taste differently?
        When I lived in Colorado I would have friends who would go hunting and bring me some meat, then here my DH’s boss brought us some meat from the Dallas area (I have no idea where he hunts at, I just know it is up in that area) but it tasted different.
        As for elk, I got stuck eating it almost exclusively for a year, if I never had to eat it again I would be happy.

        • It is probably from what they are eating. My cousins are duck hunters and they tell me that ducks that eat fish don`t taste too good and ducks that eat grain taste better. Also wild pigs that feed on acorns taste better.

          • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

            steve is right, it depends on what the animals eat and also to some extent, which minerals are in the soil.

          • breadmomma says:

            lived in Blair Nebraska for 9 years and the ducks, deer, geese, turkey and quail/chucker? were grain fed and fat…the first time I opened one up while cleaning it was amazing as the amount of corn and soy in their gullets was astounding. It was like they were force fed…and their livers were fat and plump…foie gras anyone? The deer were definitely corn fed and very different from the grass fed deer that I had experienced in California, Oregon and Colorado…The elk here is very tasty and not too gamey for our tastes.. the stock is rich rich and the fat reminded me of lamb fat it was so white and waxy…as for ducks, I haven’t had the chance but I would bet that they are not as good due to the amount of fish versus corn…

        • SurvivorDan says:

          Sure. Deer can have quite different diets in different areas so they taste ‘different’. I reckon. you are what you eat brother. I like deer in a spicy ragu or sweet/spicy hawaiian marinade so the spices mask subtle and not so subtle differences in flavor. S.D.

          • SurvivorDan says:

            Pigeons from the rural midwest, fed on corn and grains, ae delish. Here near the big city they probably taste like the flying rats they are. May have to experiment.

            • Dang it Survivor Dan! You just took one of my back-up meats off the table…. Really though, THANKS! I was recalling Wyoming pigeons not LA birds. Your point is valid and appreciated.

            • Jarhead 03 says:

              SD, Cosmo I have at squab (pigeon) and SD you are right, corn fed is delicious but you are right about them being called flying rats. I talk to some of the homeless in LA around my work sites and they say its like eating cross between a chicken and a rat. Which yes some of them eat rat, in downtown LA they look like opossums lol.

            • Jarhead 03:
              Want to have coffee near Glendale/E. L.A. sometime?
              I am fairly flexible with my schedule. John

            • SurvivorDan says:

              I am actually about thirty miles out from the city so I’m going to gamble and bag a pigeon with my pellet gun and roast him up whole. Not just the breast as I am thinking survival food testing. Some spices , white acorn stuffing and a mesquite wood fire. If I never post again you’ll know the flying rat poisoned me. S.D.

            • Jarhead 03 says:

              SD, if you can take them live I would suggesst feeding and water them so they can pass any parasites. I’ve suggested this when people considered trying snails, crickets and grasshoppers buy feeding them some lettuce to let what is inside pass. You may want to boil the pigeon instead of baking or frying, this way anything bad should be killed and won’t get to you.

            • Jarhead 03 says:

              Cosmo, yeah. East LA works better for me since I work in downtown. Maybe sometime next week sometime or after. I will be setting up an email link for contact soon.

            • Jarhead 03:
              I’m the least competant computer person you’ll EVER know, but one of my sons can interpret. Thanks for getting back to me. John

      • breadmomma says:

        Hi MT Woman..I am assuming either mountain woman or montana woman…we have a lot of elk here…these beauties were Roosevelt Elk and the stock is amazing along with the meat…my dog is sittin next to me right now mawing on the bones…she is in doggie heaven right now…got several steaks, roasts, stew meat and ground elk burger meat…also plan on putting up lots of elk jerky…that is the best…as for hedgehogs, yes they are mushrooms…we have had an amazing year…I have dried at least 120 lbs of assorted including chantrelles, boletus, and hedgehogs…as for mayacoba beans, they are originally from Peru and they are yellow with a buttery texture and no bitterness…several of the local Mexican restaurants and the couple of stores around here carries them…the local Cash and Carry/Smart and Final Restaurant supply house carries them in 20 lb. bags….lots of beans grown out in the eastern part of Oregon

        • Thanks Breadmomma. And it is Mountain Woman. 🙂 I’m going to look for some mayacoba beans and try them. 🙂

  49. Garden Mom says:

    I ordered from Emergency Essentials – they have a section called “Build your own medical kit” you can individual items for your medical kit. I bought:
    instant ice packs
    dentemp (cavity fillings)
    emergnecy blankets
    burnfree dressing and ointment
    iodine tablets
    butter powder
    whole egg powder

    • Garden Mom, I have been using the Build Your own FA kit too. Their prices on these item are really good. The Burnfree gel is an excellent price and I also bought the Burn free bandages which are impregnated with the gel. The eye wash is about half of what it costs at the Wally World so I added two of those to an order once.

      • Garden Mom says:

        Nuttbush, is eyewash different (better) than simple saline? I have some saline, but need to get more. Do you recommend eyewash instead? Thanks

  50. Worked on the basement, picked up on more canned goods. Not bad given my work schedule this last week.

  51. Drove my escape route today should a bug out be necessary. . . based upon observations I made some changes. . Checked out a 4 seasons sleeping bag which will be my next purchase. . picked up some dental pain relief and temporary dental filling/crown cover. . Tomorrow I’ll list an inventory for packing my car should bug out be necessary. . Don’t want to spend time thinking about what to pack in the car. . . also very aware that the timing of any departure is critical.

    • riverrider says:

      cjs28, just a suggestion…we pack our bugout supplies in totes, labeled and all in one easy location. wife gets the critters and i load the totes, we’re off in minutes. no running around hunting for stuff on the list. good work and good luck.

      • templar knight says:

        rr, it’s crazy that you and I think so much alike. I have a 3-week supply of freeze-dried food, a machete, a saw, a small 2-burner propane stove, a cooking set, extra clothes, a water filter, large coffee filters, toilet paper, wipes, soap, trash bags, and some other personal items in 3 heavy-duty plastic totes in a bedroom closet ready to go. My bugout bag and medical kit sit on top of one of the totes. We can be off in less than 5 minutes.

  52. Important Question: On the show Walking Dead, what kind of crossbow is it that Daryl uses?

    • Here’s a link to it if you can tell from the photo.


      • gayle- it’s a horton scout 125. i went to the website ask.com

        • Pam S.

          Thank you. I just checked amazon.com and they are going for $329.99. I learned archery in high school. I am thinking I might want to get back into it. I will need to start with a less expensive model.

          • gayle – if you wait until hunting season is over just check your town newspapers classified columns. last year there was about a doz. listed for this area for half the price.

      • Jo (Georgia) says:

        Horton also makes one that I’ve been eying, its the Horton Ultralite Express. has a 175 pound draw weight a smaller wing span and is VERY light. If you go to bass pro shop they will let you shot one just to see. I can pull it once with out an assist, I think it will be a great women’s crossbow.

  53. Texas Nana says:

    DH picked up some odd & end old tools and gauges at a local resale shop.
    I picked up a couple of bags of old clothes pins, the new ones are small and don’t stay together, must be because they are from china!
    I also purchased some sewing material, and a corning ware tea pot for my dear mother in law.
    We got our new shelves put together and added some more wood shelves also. Picked up the DH a new hand gun, shhh! don’t tell him it’s for Christmas.
    Doesn’t sound like much but DH is still doing therapy on his knee which eats up a lot of my time, driving him. Thank goodness he can now start driving again.
    I want to thank the wolfpack for all the great links ya’ll post, along with what you have done to prep, I’ve learned a lot!!
    Keep the faith and keep prepping!!

  54. blindshooter says:

    Another long week at work, things usually slow some around now but not this year. I did get some more canned and more buckets for later use. I bought the Chamberlain wireless motion alert and installed it in a old bird house for camo and protection. So far it works good. I wonder how the battery’s will hold up in cold weather. If it continues to work I’m gonna get some more sensors for it.
    I have spent most of today setting up my reloading equipment, that will give me something to do in bad weather.

    MD, no bickering from me, I get all that I want at work. You do a great job here and I’d hate to see a few mess it up.

    Hope everyone has a great week.

  55. MENTALMATT says:

    Hey I went to Aldi’s and got a bunch of canned goods, including ham. I’ve been reading and it looks like the Euro is going to fall. If you can at all possible try to buy some silver, I think it is going to go up alot higher than it is now once the Euro falls. In the Wall Street Journal they had a article on how some of the other countries are preparing to print there on money if the Euro crashes. If you have any investments in the Euro I would strongly urge to get out. Oh and hey Lint Picker just make sure your retreat is nowhere near the “D” Lol.
    M.D. I can really appreciate your putting and end to the issues involving Mr. Rawles.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      HAH! Matt, there are few places worse than California, but there are a couple. One of them is Detroit, the other is New York. No way am I moving anywhere near those areas. No way!

      About silver, I agree with you – get some silver. Don’t buy it for profit, buy it for currency in case our dollar goes into hyperinflation or total collapse. If Europe crashes, so do we. We’re all tied together. If you can’t afford silver, then save your pocket change because it will be somewhat better than paper money. Don’t forget that silver and gold jewelry is also good to have, so if your wife has some, keep her. (j/k)

  56. I have been noticing over the past couple of weeks that I dont get all the comments emailed to me, even though I sign up for it. It is usually just a couple of them, but today I havent gotten any of the comments. Not sure what is going on.

  57. Alittle 2Late says:

    Hi all
    I would like to say Thank you to all of you for your comments and suggestions. in the short time that I’ve been visiting this site I’ve learned so much. Thank You Wolfpack!
    I have 1 quick question what is a DH/DW? i think i know but want to be sure. lol
    A busy week for alot of you, was fairly slow here, putting in way to many hours at work. But gotta make money to prep. Man this is a vicious cycle.
    picked up 6 food grade 55g barrels today. received my new 2 way radio’s. A book on canning and another on foraging and plant identification. bought some more mantles for Colman lanterns. Sam’s club has Hot hands (one time buy) bought 3 packages of those.
    Goin to spend the rest of the weekend sharpening my collection of knives/axes. I use the 5 stone Lansky sharpening system. never liked the electric ones.
    M.D. interested on your thought’s concerning the “The Book of Blacksmithing” you are reviewing. keep us posted.
    Stay safe,be prepared Semper Fi !

  58. Jarhead 03 says:

    First off I would like to plead guilty and apologize for using the term armchair commando in response to a comment. It was wrong and I got caught up in the moment.
    A persons determination to prep can be as strong as their religious and political convictions. Who am I to judge, my goal is to help others, give advice when asked and also give a tip or suggestion where I feel its beneficial.

    My preps for the week based on the high winds last week:
    Another AAA/AA solar battery charger
    Another C and D solar battery charger
    4 containers of propane
    4 roles of OD duct tape
    An extra blanket
    10 gallons of water
    2 fire extinguishers to complete one in each room and closet.

  59. Today, I went to the commissary and found Dak and Plumrose canned hams. These are 1 pound cans with a five year shelf life. I plan to order some cases for storage. I had heard of this product months ago but couldn’t find it. In my recent research, some say it is easier to find around the holidays, not sure but at less than $3 a can, I will stock up. Also, I am a member of Safecastle, a prepper company in which you can accumulate cash back awards on merchandise purchased. I just cashed mine in on foodstuffs and other preparedness items.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Marti, have you tried the DAK ham yet? We have an ongoing debate here as to whether it tastes like Spam, ham, or crap. We’d like your opinion. As for myself, I think it looks like Spam, tastes like ham, and although not something I’d want to eat regularly, it is still a great addition to food storage.

  60. SrvivlSally says:

    M.D., you are really coming along on that property of yours. I will bet that it looks good and feels just like home now. I spent five days cleaning the camouflage-painted pickup that I recently acquired. The highbeam dash light was out so I removed the instrument’s panel cover, pulled the little clear globe and pushed in all of the other bulbs as, over time, they have been loosened. After looking through a supply of replacement bulbs and not finding anything suitable, I have to get some. After reinstalling the cover and pulling the headlight switch to the ‘on’ position, giving it a turn to make the lights shine their strongest, the area was well lit and ready for night driving. I cleaned the windows yesterday and, with removal of all of the dirt and grime that was on them, they sparkled and reflected light real well. I was not able to get the belts adjusted, but maybe next week. I nearly finished supplying the survival pack for my family member with bannock bread ingredients, instant rice, a few hard candies, raisins and other items that their taste buds will appreciate.

  61. On the good side, After weeks of little prepping our relocation (new job) to Houston is starting to produce results. Placed orders with Werlings and Sons Meats and Best Prices. Made a trip to Costco and picked up Oatmeal, Peaches, Cheese and Mac and more peanut butter. A few other things too. And Christmas is all done.
    On the bad side, dropped off the pickup for major repairs. Got a water leak and it isnt the pump. Thats already been replaced.
    Want to order a big Berky and some stuff from EE this coming week.

  62. ” By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail. ”
    Benjamin Franklin

  63. Diver Gal (South Fla) says:

    Hey Wolfpack,

    Hope everyone had a great week; Ive relocated to my winter/Bug out abode. Most go south for the winter, I go North…. at least it keeps me away from the crazy snowbirds.

    This week I did an inventory of what all I have up here. I knew there was a fair amount of preps but not a lot of knowing what they all were.

    Did order/receive for this location:
    2 starter kits from lds
    2 of the filtration water bottles from lds
    25 lbs of rice
    2x 36 lbs of dog food
    100 mylar bags and O2 absorbers to go with

    My find of the week was at Lowes: Coleman lanterns, regularly 19.95 on clearance for 4.95. I bought 4, was going to go back and get some for in Florida but they were all gone… and that was just in the time it took me to check out.

    I may be going back south sooner than planned for a visit; broke a tooth and my dentist (whom I love) is in Florida so unless I get a great recommendation from someone for a western NC dentist, I’ll be making the drive again shortly. At least the dog loves road trips.

    Have a great week, keep preppin.


  64. Thomas The Tinker says:

    Not much got done this week. Bucketed 100.bs of rice and 140lbs of shelled corn. Packed two ‘go bucket’s of hard rations for the vehicles, 24 servings each. Got some good leads on property to take a look at South of us.

    Closed out my checking and savings accounts and moved to a Credit Union Friday. PM work on the BOV. Practiced on a couple of simple skills, setting snares and recurve bow…. I suck at snare triggers and I’ll need a better way to ‘finger’ an arrow off a shelf. $20 in nickels to the stack.

    • I need to make better use of my credit union and dump the big bank. Thanks for the little reminder…

      • Mark, We changed over to a credit union completely about 5 years ago and I am so glad we did. It has never charged for checking, in fact they pay interest on your checking; the people are nice and it has been so much better without the crazy rules of the big banks. If I need something notarized, no charge, and it is a pleasure doing business with someone who seems to want your business.

        • We actually have a small share account at a local credit union, but the lack of checking fees (etc.) completely slipped my mind. DW and I need to work towards moving over our checking before the end of the year.

          PNC can eat a bag!!

  65. MD, I think you pulled the blog over!

    These last few weeks have been very busy, work wise and family wise so not much done though;
    Bought a portable wood stove at the TSC store – farmer supply store,
    the stove only weighs in at about 5 pounds, and now to buy the stove pipe.
    Blackberry phone died again, bought an Iphone, so will be able to store PDFs on there and some vids etc
    Picked up a Tablet that is expandable via SDcards and can sync to laptop for only $75
    got some free 2×4 and 2×6 for interior work on the Camper Truck
    got cold and windy enough that I hooked up the propane to the Big Buddy heater, and sitting in the glow from that tonight. Hose is run outside where the propane tank is!
    bough some extra food
    picked up some gloves, winter boots, some Polypropaline underwear, and a new belt as the one I am wearing is too big now! Lots of working and working out again, nice for me.
    picked up some more candles
    Lint- picked up some hy-bred flashlights, that are palm lights, with magnets, and front and bottom/top led lights, quite bright for only $4 at Factory Direct.
    2 prepper groups in the area, and have started making meetings with both, there is a survivalist group in the GTA, but I am always busy on Sundays
    few other things but all small.
    Take care, Buy Local, buy Homemade, buy Canadian, buy US and buy North American before any other countries, lets help our two Countries, they are each others largest trading partner, and each others cousin
    Merry Christmas to all.

    • Hunker-Down says:

      WildernessReturn Ontario,

      Merry Christmas, cousin.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      WRO, I have a couple of those lights you mentioned. I use them in the pantry so I can see what’s in the back of the shelves – very handy.

      Merry Christmas to you, stay warm. I always worry about somebody living in a camper – too cold and fumes can be a real danger. Be smart – be safe – stay alive.

      Hey, my portable toilet has a seat that was made in Canada. So I’m doing my part, eh!? 😉

      • Lint…
        I almost fell off the bed with your last Made in Canada..
        Too funny and glad we could help you out!

        • Rob in Ontario says:

          WRO— the two local prepper groups you mentioned how is that going? if they are close enuff I would be interested in learning more — I can’t seem to find or know how to use the meet up page to get ahold of others- feel free to IM me

    • WRO – what does the stove you bought look like? Do you have a link? Thanks, gj

  66. SurvivorDan says:

    Three 20mm ammo cans ($9.95 each) from J&Gs. . Got a butane stove ($16.50) with 30 days worth of fuel from Honeyville as another back up . Chopped, hacked and dragged dead mesquite branches until I filled a pick-up bed. Drying in the back yard now and getting more on Monday. Mesquite burns a long tome and hot too. Can’t stoke a smoker with it but great for grilling and heating. Another backup fuel for me and Mrs. SurvivorDan. Hey, mesquite is everywhere here in the desert. Free for the taking. Do watch whose land you are on. 😉 S.D.

    • The seed pods that fall to the ground, or get infested with bugs are good for the smoker. Freeze them to kill the bugs then soak overnight and toss on charcoal for smoke. Never tried them on an electric smoker but they work fine in my old fashioned style wet smoker.

      • Best steak I ever had was cooked over mesquite wood. Had it in Phoenix, darn steak was as big as the plate! They set the baked potato on top of the steak! Found mesquite chips in a bag at Lowes on the grills and grilling supply aisle. Haven’t tried them yet, since steak costs so blanking high these days but maybe will try the mesquite on some burgers.

      • The seeds also make an amazingly good jelly that tastes like a strong honey. Also, the pods have been used by generations of Native Americans to make flour. I understand that pancakes made from it are delicious. I only learned this a few months ago; next season, I will be gathering pods to make flour. This site has a lot of good info and they’re great people (I am not affiliated): http://www.desertharvesters.org/

  67. SurvivorDan says:

    Watch yer axe bounce-back! Texans call it Texas ironwood for a reason. Hard! Also, spines are better than an inch long and up to 3″ on younger plants. Go right through your gloves and even heavy boots. Well worth harvesting but use caution. S.D.

  68. SurvivorDan says:

    First time in Honeyvilles last week. They offer some semi-useless (over-priced) gadgets and gizmos but they have a large variety of foodstuffs to break up the monotony of all my wheat, rice and beans. Very impressive. S.D.

  69. Nor Cal Ray says:

    This week has been a crazy week. Got lots of orders for the furnished line fishing kits that riverrider asked about last week. sold the sixty I had and had to go get 60 more. Everyone who ordered them your orders will go out Monday. Bracelet orders will go out Monday as well.
    Safety knife orders also. Sorry it takes so long folks but I sell at cost to you and I have to service my regular customers first so I can afford to sell at cost to you.
    My daughter got her first college acceptance letter on Wednesday, and the second one on Friday. The one she received on Friday also would include full scholarship for Books and Tuition only. We would have to pay room and board. Not a bad deal in my opinion. Still waiting for the other replys for the other 7 she sent applications to. By the way she just sent the applications out November 30. Pretty quick replys I think. Pretty proud of her.
    On the way home from doing my sales calls today I had the alternator on my Grand Cherokee go out on me. Forntunately I always have a decent tool kit in the vehicle. Was able to find a parts store and change out the alternator to the tune of 160.00 and that was doing the work myself. I was in Dixon, Ca. and I live in Hayward. About 100 miles from home.
    On to the preps. 36 cases of 12oz. cans propane For Lanterns, 12 pkgs. Gravy Mixes @ 2 for 1.00, .32acp Ammo 50rd. Box, 16pk Crossbow Bolts (pistol size), 3 Dak Canned Hams, 2 x 12.5oz Canned Chicken, 4 cans Kippered Herring, Sheridan Paint Ball Gun & Accessories for controlling the feral cats that poop in the yard, Crossbow Scope Mount,
    3 Paracord Bracelets, 10 Furnished Lines .

    • Nor Cal Ray:
      Did you really get 36 cases of propane canisters? Wow, I thought I was doing good with 4 cases and 6 20# tanks. And these are my backup for both heating and cooking.

      • Nor Cal Ray says:

        Yeah the guy I’m liquidating the warehouse for gave it to me as a thank you for getting rid of so much so fast for him.

      • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

        Ray, congrats to your daughter on her acceptance at several colleges. That’s quite an accomplishment!

  70. m.d. , apon further review i realize my comment on jason’s post was not helpful, at the least, and i apologize. won’t happen again. thanks again for keeping this blog together dispite our efforts to the contrary.

  71. SaratogaPrepper says:

    Turned 50…..got drunk.

    • happy birthday!

    • Tinfoil Hat says:

      Happy Birthday!

    • Ha! Happy birthday!

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Happy Birthday, SP. 50? I can’t remember ever being 50, that was a long time ago.

    • SaratogaPrepper says:

      Sorry about that first post, I violated my golden rule of not PWI (posting while intoxicated). Actually, besides killing a few brain cells with alcohol, I had a decent week prepping. I had the whole week off with vacation so I made it to the range 3 times in various climate conditions, all sober. Very cold, rainy and foggy and snowing (weather in upstate NY in so much fun). That was interesting, glasses fog up, fingers get very cold, shivering will really throw off your shooting, scopes and fog are kinda iffy. I tried some of that steel cased russian ammo in my bolt-action .308, it worked fine. For half the price I definitely be picking up more of that. Recieved a nice Bowie knife and some ammo for my birthday. Some that my daughter bought me had to be returned. 380 auto pistol ammo does not work in a .308 win rifle. Hey she had all the right numbers, just mixed them up a little, plus as they say it’s the thought that counts.

      Signed my daughter and myself up for the pistol safety course needed to get our licenses. It will not be until May. Our county only gives the test once a month and is quite full. Even when we do get our licenses they will not be concealed carry, our county does not give them out. We have been looking at a pair of Glocks. The 19 in 9mm for her and the 23 in .40 S&W for me.

      Received an order of non-hybrid seeds, worked on the basement storage, bought canned veggies and fruit at wally world.

      Again sorry about the PWI
      Thanks for the birthday wishes.
      God Bless

      • The Other Ellen says:

        Hope you had a great birthday and will have a wonderful year.

      • HeeHeeHee. I think I am getting a Glock 9 mm for Christmas. I caught the dh giving his concealed weapons permit number to someone over the phone. In Florida if you have a cwp, you don’t have to wait for the gun. Yea!

        • SaratogaPrepper says:

          We have no waiting period to get the gun, once you have your permit. It just takes FOREVER to get the permit. Actually I was told yesterday that the daughter has a 50-50 chance of getting a concealed carry permit in our county. Being a single female increases that chance. Being a lowly married white guy with 30 years at his present employer my chances are slim to none. Which makes soooo much sense to me. LOL!! Aside from my occasional glass of scotch (always at home), I’m about as dangerous as dry toast. My last speeding ticket was before my daughter was born, 23 years ago. Really hate the state of NY!

          • templar knight says:

            Instead of a waiting period for a gun, you have a waiting period for permission to buy a gun. That seems like pretty much the same thing to me. Dang, it’s messed up either way.

            • SaratogaPrepper says:

              templar knight
              I could put up with a 10 day waiting period. I could even put up with a month! It will be 5 months before I can even take the pistol course and then the sheriff’s deptartment and the judge will drag their feet even more. I’ll be lucky if I will be able to buy myself a Christmas present of a new pistol next year. Or of course I could always just take a 3 hour ride to NYC and buy one on a street corner. They just don’t take American Express.

        • Jo (Georgia) says:

          Gayle, Congrats I have one and I love it. Very easy to take apart and clean and re-assemble. Sorry you all have to wait to get your guns here in Georgia we go in fill out a form, pay and get the gun all in about twenty minutes.

          • Jo,

            My dh has a concealed weapons permit, so there was no waiting for him. I am so excited I can’t wait for Christmas.

  72. Vienna (Soggy prepper) says:

    Already 225 posts! Geesh! Figured I’d post first then read everyone else’s so I can get the new comments directed to my in box so I don’t miss any new posts!

    This week I received an order of pantry sized cans of tomato powder, chicken bouillon and beef bouillon. Put up 10 soup cans of cream of mushroom soup, a couple baking powder, couple corn starch, and a couple crisco. Keeping up on the news. It just keeps getting worse at a nice and steady rate. I’m just waiting for the Snap.

    We went to cut up some logs for next years wood but the DH’s machine had a dead battery, so we now have moved todays plans to tomorrow. The cutter is a hydraulic wood processing machine called the Chomper.
    Pretty neat if you process tons of logs into firewood. The older gentleman my DH works for invented it and DH sells them. Slow selling though in this economy, but a fun “man machine” a lot of guys get excited about when they see it. Kinda brings out the Tim Taylor in them. There is a couple youtube videos of it, huge thing.


    Anyway, that was it this week. Another week of preps under our belts. Whoo hoo!! I hope everyone has a wonderful and uneventful week ahead and I look forward to more posts with my coffee in the a.m.

  73. Nor Cal Ray says:

    How do I go about submitting an article for the contest?

  74. Chonte' in MD says:

    This week i was busy baking cakes for my grandmothers fundraiser. it was a looong weekend and im beat. the only thing i really did was picked up a few 550lb paracord bracelets for… $1!! if you have a Five Below near you you should go pick up a few. great stocking stuffers and they take up no space in the BOB’s just clip them to the bag handle. things will be pretty tight until this weekend. we’re driving to Louisiana for a gradations and then the budget will loosen up again. gas is expensive 🙁

  75. Only did two things this week. Purchased a new pair of Danner boots.
    Much to my pleasant surprise, they are made in the U.S. once more.
    Also, I had my generator hose deteriorate from the ethanol fuel the last
    time I used it. This time I ran it dry and opened the fuel lid to let it air
    out before storage. On a side note, I also showed my MIL a new trick
    about cleaning the gristle out of her electric meat grinder using bread.

    • riverrider says:

      stabil has ethanol treatment now, at auto stores n such.

      • When I lost my last genny, I was using it. Now I use PRI-G. It is expensive as snot. $26 for a pint, but it kept my stored fuel good for 3 years, 2 months in a sceptre can. This new genny is too sweet to risk. Thanks rr.

    • Jarhead 03 says:

      Cosmo, love them Danners! Picked up my first pair at Ft. Lewis when visiting a friend who was stationed up there. Seemed everyone had a pair. Damn, the break in though lol.

      • Danner has a rebuild service now. (After I threw out my favorite boots.) It’s something like $100 for new soles and new stitching!
        I get 4 years out of a pair normally. The last ones were made in China. (Possibly a fake?) Now the heals have worn off and a small area of thread has failed. The new ones were a lot more $
        than they used to be, but I know these are the best boots I will ever need. (Being a grunt sticks with a man,even when you’re too old to hump a ruck.)

        • riverrider says:

          cosmo, that last line..i knew we were kindred spirits,LOL. every time a cold rain roles in, i feel the urge to ruck-up and hit the trail. the more miserable the better. i can’t figure it out…. FWIW, danner makes two lines of boots, one u.s. one china. i have no idea how to tell the diff w/o having the box to look at. lowest bidder boots mangled my feet so bad all i can wear now are expensive Lowa boots from germany. no breakin. last almost forever, so not too bad of a deal. out here.

          • Jarhead 03 says:

            Cosmo and river, if it aint raining its not training. Love the rain we are getting now.

          • Thank you for the info Riverrider. I will only buy the U.S. ones from now on. I dinged my feet parachuting with Uncle Sugar, the bones crunch when it’s cold, so no humping in the rain for me. I do have people ask me why I don’t use an umbrella though. LOL. Just don’t ask me to sleep in the rain ever again!

  76. Luddite Jean says:

    Added some canned food to the stores – rice pudding as it tastes good cold and straight out of the can, peaches, pineapple, red kidney beans, salmon, pilchards, corned beef, hot dogs and chopped ham & pork. Also bought some popping corn, wheat berries, rice, flour, polenta, coffee and some spices. Our usual stationery supplier was having a sale, and I bought ‘swine flu kits’ which were a face mask, a box of tissues, large anti-bac gel and 200 anti-everything wipes for £1.99 a pack. On one pack, the wipes were crushed and the lid had popped open so the wipes had dried up, and they sent me a whole pack of everything to replace it.

    Still not 100% after my illness, but DH and I managed to blitz the kitchen which had got rather messy while I was in my sickbed and defrost the fridge and freezer. Just doing that left me feeling wiped out – glad we’re not in a survival situation right now, it really brings it home to you that you need others around you if possible.

    • mountain lady says:

      So good to hear that you are feeling better. I hope you will be going back to “tinned food”. It is such a nice reminder of our friend across the pond.

      • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

        Yes, I like the English jargon and the other versions of English from OZ and Canada. It’s all quite fun to read the differences. I’m still pondering “pilchards.” Are those a type of fish? Or an orchard where pills grow?

        • Luddite Jean says:

          You’re pulling my leg in jest, surely? In case you’re not, a pilchard is a an oily fish which is a member of the sardine family and you get it tinned either in brine or tomato sauce.

          • i had a freind from wales. i know the different parts of the car in “brit” the boot is the trunk,the hood is the bonnet. you have government sanctioned suicide by means of something called a roundabout.cigarettes are called fags. beer is a pint,trucks are lorries,i like the diferences in our common language to. there is something calming about the brit accent that makes want to take a nap. not the cockney accent though.

            • Roundabouts are wonderful/ We will be seeing them more in the US in the future.

            • I drove all over Italy and the two lane roads became three or four if people wanted to pass. I learned to deal with that quite well after a few weeks. But the roundabout in Rome made me scream like a girl. I think I may have had my eyes closed also. I went around it 7 or 8 times trying to get over a lane to my exit. Roundabouts scare me.

            • Hunker-Down says:


              Roundabouts are being installed in Oshkosh Wisconsin. Every time we go there (50 mile drive) I almost get broadsided from some dumb-ass making a right turn from the center lane onto an exit.

          • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

            Yes, Jean, just jesting with you. But please don’t call me Surely. (That’s a joke, too, from a line in a movie/film, or whatever you call moving pictures in England).

            • BC,
              They work great as long as everyone remembers that the car in the roundabout has the right of way.

            • Hunker,
              It helps if they are signed properly… before you enter… so you know which exit you want before you get to it. I have yet to see proper signing anywhere in the US.

  77. doktor don says:

    I’m back! You know, the Guy you love to hate!

    Just a couple of comments, then I be gone. I will be keeping an eye on all of you . . .

    Re: Tennessee Plateau. Beautiful area. However; nuke plants abound everywhere. At Oak Ridge, there is still some top secret shit going on; so it would have to be a high target area. Watch for the glow.

    Re: Game Changer: The Cyber War has begin! Experts are saying that Israel and the U.S., were the Countries responsible for the Cyber Attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities. It was so effective, that some are saying, it might have set Iran back two years in the development of their Nukes.
    The person responsible for development of the Worm or Virus, that caused the shut-down of the Nuke Facilities, was a German Scientist, who passed the information along to the U.S. However, he is outraged that it was tested before a code to block it has been developed. Now, the Military is working 24/7 to find the antidote, so-to-speak. As result, it can be used against our facilities now too, and we apparently can’t stop it.

    Be aware that in 2006, there were over 5500 cyber attacks on the U.S., and it’s Business and Industry. By 2010, the number of attacks grew to over 41,000! – – a 650% increase.

    Shut down the controls of a Nuke Plant and one can cause a melt-down.
    Shut down traffic controls, the commuter rails, electricity, and more; now you have real choas and panic.

    As a final note, the major powers are preparing for a cyber war in Space.
    Immediate goal appears to be to gain the ability to destroy one’s Satellites, or anything else, placed in space. How will poor ET be able to call home?

    Just thought you ought to know . . .

    doktor don

  78. Slow prep week…sometimes life just happens to get in the way. But, as usual, I try looking at it all as learning experiences.

    Was on the phone with my son when I heard him say “Oh s**t”, then heard a loud bang-crash, then the phone went dead. His car was hit by a hit & run driver. Fortunately he was turning the corner and sped up to go around faster when he heard the other vehicle’s brakes lock up, so the damage was only to his bumper and some scratches on the back of his car. However, he’s complaining of a ‘crick’ in his neck, and I am encouraging him to take care of it. *sigh* -a horrible thing for a mother (or anyone) to go through the “on the phone” thing. It was 10+ minutes of hell before he could call me back. Lesson: insist that we do not talk on the phone (blue tooth or not) while either of us is driving. The accident did not happen because he was on the phone, but still….

    Truck froze up…literally. It got down to 10° one night, and when I went to start it in the morn, neither the key nor the steering wheel would budge. Finally at 4 pm, I got the steering wheel to move and unlock, and I could turn the key. The consensus is that some water got into something from the rain we had and then it froze, keeping the truck from working. Lesson: pay attention to the weather, and park the vehicle in a protective place. There’s no inside available, so have to think what to do outside. If it’s gonna get that cold again, I’m running the engine for a bit late in the evening, parking next to the hangar, and putting a work light under the hood, with maybe a tarp over it all.

    Found out a dear friend has cancer. 🙁

    Then, one night, some yahoo stayed up all night randomly shooting off his arsenal somewhere very close by. I ended up sleeping on the floor, as the house is up on 10′ poles (because of flood possibility) and my bed is by a window facing the direction the shots’ sounds were coming from. All I could think of was a stray (or purposeful) bullet coming through the window or wall. Lesson: even though it’s hard and makes me mad, do what keeps me safe, even if it means sleeping on the floor.

    Also, have seen 3 different people at dusk (in hoodies and bulky clothes), walking slowly by and looking the place over. This is new. Also, two people have come by asking if they can pick up the pecans from our pecan tree, which my father collects and sells himself. This, too, is new. And there have been two families move into the neighborhood, with what seems like a dozen teens between them…who are ranging about and getting into mischief. All of these in the last week….

    These things indicate changes in this small community that need paying attention too. Lesson: keep vigilant and step up safety measures.

    Did get a couple prep things done, in spite of the rest…..
    -Re-organized BOB; added a N95 mask my son gave me and the hand-warmers I got last week. Got another package of 4 hand warmers from Walmart for $1.24; will put them in my truck bag.
    -Put up 8 pints of Pear “jamly” (kinda a cross between jam & jelly….at least that’s how it came out). I have 8 cases of jams & jellies now…most made from fruits I’ve ‘scavenged’.
    -Gave some thought to the hangar as a shelter-in place. It has some good points, so I’ve decided to treat it as such, and outfit it the best I can. It is a large windowless corrugated metal building, with a small room built into one corner of it. I pulled my air mattress out of the yard sale, and put it in the hangar. I already have water stored there, and my 72-hour box. I’ll build on these things to make it a defense-able shelter-in place. The little room has two windows…I’ll get some plywood to cover them. I want to get a couple cots. The little room also has a sink & toilet.

    Saturday update: Had a yard sale, putting out most of the ‘stuff’ that came out of my storage unit in the big city, and a bunch of jam & jelly. I sold ALL the jam & jelly!!!!! I have 4 gallons of processed fruit in the freezer, so there’s more where it came from. Also sold a lot of “stuff” I don’t need. What I didn’t sell will go to a thrift shop as a donation. Feels really, really good to make a little cash and get rid of stuff!! I’m thinking of taking some of the cash and (finally) getting an emergency radio. Thanks for all the earlier recommendations.

    And some interesting things that happened this last week:
    -some guy that came to the yard sale started bragging about his ‘stash’ of food, seeds, cash, guns etc. I had never seen him before, but he claimed to live in this community. At one point he came up close to me and he had that smell that heavy drinkers get…reeking of alcohol. Didn’t know what to make of him except that I don’t want to know him, or have him know anything about me/us.
    -was watching the news and saw a report about the police dept in The Big City (that’s what I call the closest one to me) holding a citizen meeting and rolling out a new way for citizens to report suspicious behavior, called “iWatch”. I went to their website, and found this new thing under the heading: “Homeland Security”. Here’s what it says (in part): “What is iWatch (Big City)? iWatch(Big City) is a virtual crime watch that you and your neighbors can use to report behaviors and activities that make you feel uncomfortable or do not look right. iWatch (Big City) is a partnership between your community and the (Big City) Police Department. Why should I report these behaviors and activities? Like traditional neighborhood crime watches, your awareness reported to the police can help solve crimes or even prevent a terrorist attack.” I did more research and found this video of a film from the LAPD about this program: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=443SQDA84Gg. I am not so young that I don’t remember the stories about 30s Germany, and how everyone was trained to report on friends and family, including children to ‘report’ on their parents. Are we there again? If not, I think we’re on our way.
    – I had two guys come up to me and ask for gas money when I was filling my truck in The Big City last week. The first didn’t speak English, was carrying a gas can, and used gestures to make me understand what he wanted. I saw him later actually putting gas in a vehicle, with a child standing by. The second spoke English, looked like he had just come out from under a bridge, and when I didn’t give him any money, he just walked away and into the gas station store. I now carry my pepper spray in a pocket while getting gas. Sure wish there were still gas stations where people pumped the gas for ya. Oregon had a law when I lived there that no-one could pump their own gas. Miss that.

    All these things make me think we are seeing the front edge of the coming wave of change right now. It’s time to step-it-up big time.

    I am SOOOOO grateful for this blog, MD, and all the info and support that’s here….and the humor!! Gotta have some fun while dealing with the bleakness.

    • MtWoman,

      Glad to hear that your son is okay – his car can be fixed but he could not be replaced.

      Sorry to hear about your friend – was the cancer caught early or in the advanced stage?

    • i hope your son’s neck will get better. stay safe, the world is getting stranger by the day.

    • Glad to hear that you’re son is OK. I can only imagine what you were thinking during that phone call. Sheesh!

      Prayers and good thoughts are with your friend.

    • Hunker-Down says:


      My BIL had bad teenagers in his area so he made a plan to answer the door with a gun in his hand, pointed at the floor. After a couple of months the bad guys didn’t go into his neighborhood. Would this work for you?
      If the gun will make LE freak out, maybe a knife carried where everyone can see it? Carry an 18″ iron pipe or 2 cans of bear spray where it can be seen, anything to become “the weirdo”.

      Develop the reputation of some sort of bogeyman and you will be a little safer. Be smart like a fox,and execute like a Wolf.

      • Some interesting ideas Hunker-down. The teens haven’t been a threat or problem for me personally….yet….except walking across the property. I don’t think it’s a good idea to carry a gun, as they all have guns out here, and may take it as a challenge. I’m choosing right now to be the “bothersome” little old lady: when I see them I make direct and sustained eye contact and greet them with a smile and conversation. They know I am paying attention to them. I am now, however, carrying pepper spray in my pocket whenever I go outside.

        • A can of wasp spray, the kind that shoots a stream 10′ or so works quite well. I keep a can by all my doors and did have to use it one time on someone that was trying to “sell” me something and just “had to come in to show me”……..warned ya once, warned ya twice………….have a nice day. He told me he was going to call the sheriff on me………..I mentioned that the sheriff told me to buy them……………end of story. Then I called the sheriff and told them that they might want to do a drive by. They caught him a block and a half away, giving another family one of his spiels…………they weren’t happy with him either…………so they ran a warrant check, and he got a one way ride in the back of a black and white. It was a good day…………:)

    • Mt. Woman,

      Keep an eye on these teens. What do they wear? Focus on colors. Do they were hats? Are the hats moved to the left or the right? Do they wear hankerchiefs? If so, what color? Do they have tattoos? If so, pay enough attention that you can describe them. Do they use hand signs or signals? Is there a particular teen that seems to be directing the others?

      Record this information and contact your local sheriff’s department. (I just sent M.D. an article on assessing the treat of gang violence post collapse.)

      • Gayle…these kids are just loose country teens, not any sort of gang. I do keep an eye on them. And I’ll report anything that needs to be.

    • Thanks everyone for your thoughts….they’re much appreciated. You’re good people!!!!!!!!! He is very tired today….I think it’s a ‘come-down’ from all the stuff he’s gone through. BTW…he’s a grown man, and lives in the Big City I keep talking about. But once a mom, always a mom, and because I was on the phone with him when it happened, I’m keepin’ track. That’s my story and I’m keepin’ to it! 🙂

      • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

        MtWoman, you could get some of those less expensive driveway alarms and they would alert you to any trespassers. Just be sure to set them about 4′ off the ground so they won’t go off if a dog or cat wanders by.

        It seems as if much of America is becoming like your neighborhood, unfortunately. Increasing violence and crime in this state. I used to never hear sirens, now I hear them several times a day, every day of the week. They aren’t all fire or ambulance, either, because I read the police log in the paper.

        • Yes Lint…changes, definitely changes. Makes me very sad…very sad for my father to see it come to this, and all his life-long contributions to the economic and social foundations of the country be swept away; very sad for my son who is seeing the possibilities he grew up with swept away; and very sad for my grandson and the world he inherits. I feel it physically sometimes, like a deep grief.

  79. MD….we don’t know yet. They’re still testing. The tumor they found is small, but that doesn’t mean anything. Thanks for asking. 🙂 And, yes, I am SOOOOO grateful my son is ok. *whew*

  80. GF

  81. Took a long time to get thru all the posts. Always looking for items/ideas I haven’t considered. Not much stocking up ‘cept for peaches. Local grocery made huge purchase of canned peaches and selling for 99cents for the big can;irregulars but they are delicious so went back and bought another 4 cases. Can’t can ’em that cheap myself. Aldi trip scheduled for this week. Coached DH thru making homemade soup yesterday all from storage and the frig…delicious. He taught me how to hook up the generator. We were getting too stuck in our inside/outside roles.

    Went to feed store and bought triple our monthly order so ready for any storms that blow in. They’ve been buying our extra eggs so the girls paid for 3 bags of laying pellets ! Still plenty for home use. Should sell some hens but couldn’t choose which ones! Found the farm store lady rearranging the eggs so one carton was all brown for a customer who only wants brown….excuse me, this is a white egg, this is a brown egg…both eggs are good…..plus I throw in some blue ones,too! Christmas suggestion for farm kids….the book Our Friends at Maple Hill Farm…real farm life, not sanitized Disney. Our kids love it.

    Been spending evenings making mittens. Bet I’ve made a thousand pairs in my lifetime. Can do a kids pr. in an evening. A couple of quick wool caps and a requested scarf. Trying to use up a too-large stash of yarn…new yarn shop opened locally and then I’ll have an excuse to buy more! Don’t want her to close up shop. Made another felted hat project for fun. Still have two quilts needing finishing.Stupid sewing machine keeps messing up and dealer 160 miles away,arrrgh. So pulled out my high school trusty Kenmore….and there’s always the treadle in the garage!

    • Texas Nana says:

      Your a woman after my own heart, still have my high school sewing machine, my mom’s treadle. Plus I just bought, for $5 an old singer, needs minor cord repair, my father-in-law is fixing it for me. It will be great for heavy fabrics and leather.
      Just wish I could knit!!!

  82. Schatzie Ohio says:

    Gave 2 Bags of food to the Post Office food drive.
    Gave an envelope of $200 to Salvation Army.

    The husband used his manual log splitter to split up some aged oak.
    The husband filled a couple gas cans and serviced the generator.

    Bought some extra cans of chili for storage.
    Finished up Christmas shopping and now to the wrapping and then to baking Christmas cookies.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      SO, you’re very generous. I admire your giving spirit. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

    • SO, Your post reminded me so please excuse my jumping in here. Every year we hear about our local law enforcement and fire fighters working with the Marine Corps, collecting toys for the Toys for Tots campaign. Since we don’t have any small children anymore and I miss doing Santa, we always get some toys to donate. This year due to the poor economy and higher unemployment they have seen an increase in the number of families applying for their children. Our local has increased from 4,000 to 5,000 children and unfortunately most of the new kids will go on a waiting list. Please, please consider donating to Toys for Tots so the kids don’t have to suffer without a Christmas gift. I think you can make online donations too.

  83. Hi fellow preppers! I haven’t been on in a couple of weeks. My 22 yr old son moved back in with us, so I have been busy trying to find a place for all of his “stuff”. We will be finishing the basement for him soon. Also, my 18 yr old daughter’s friend is staying with us for the college Christmas break because her parents wont let her come home because of a scuffle she had with the law. I have known this girl for years and she is a good kid, but got in with the wrong crowd and got into some trouble. In my opinion, she needs support, not to be cast aside, especially during the holidays. I do worry about opsec though, especially when DH and I go to bed. I think it is a good thing that the 22 yr old will be here to police things after we go to bed and make sure the girls don’t get into any trouble.
    This week, I finally got my order of meat from the Freeze dry guy.
    Still trying my hand at couponing to save money at the store – even more important now with additional people in the house.
    DH had fun Christmas shopping for me this year because everything on my list was things like weapons, survival books, etc. I saw a charge on the debit card for cheaper than dirt for $300!! Can’t wait to see what I’ll get. I told him no jewelry this year!
    Last week we purchased something and I’m still not sure how I feel about it. An elderly gentleman asked me if I wanted to come see his coin collection and potentially buy it. He wanted to sell the whole collection, not just piece meal, and wanted $2000. There was 2 small safe’s worth, plus two large binders full of coins. I trust him and ended up buying it. I have been trying to price the coins by looking in books and on the internet, and don’t think I got ripped off, but don’t think I got anything great either. There are some coins from the 1800’s and early 1900’s. I was hoping to double my investment, so I am disappointed. I guess I should look at it as an investment, and a way to help an old man take a cruise before his health gets even worse – he said this will probably be his last vacation. If anyone knows about coins, I welcome any info.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Did you get any silver and/or gold coins? One $20.00 US gold coin could be worth the price you paid for the entire collection. Don’t fret, US coins go up in value over time.

      • LP – nope, no gold. But there is some silver. And yes the coins should increase in value. This man thinks of me like a daughter and said he wanted to make sure someone he cared about ended up with them. He has spent a lot of time collecting and organizing the coins, and I could tell the coins meant a lot to him.

    • Texas Nana says:

      Your basket appears to be full right now, but I will bet that your good deed toward the young lady will be returned in kind. Young people sometime make mistakes, they should be guided by their parent back onto the right track, not turned away from the home they grew up in. Thank you and your family for helping her.

    • Donna…it is very nice of you to shelter the young lady. But be smart and at least put your new coins in your bedroom somewhere, if not all your valuables. Just sayin’….

  84. Longhuntre says:

    I continue to prep for XMAS. This week I bought a Nintendo Wii and 3 new games. I also purchased some new PS3 games and a brand new Kindle Fire Tablet and a new Nikon Camera. I also bought some new Action Figures. I got all this and I don’t even have a job……God Bless America!

    • M. D., is this poster lost on the net? First I ever heard of prepping for (I won’t use his word) except when we are buying supplies, not electronic toys. His SHTF is going to be when he has lost his electricity but I guess he can play with the Action Figures.

      P.S. Not trying to be mean here, just sayin’….

    • Longhuntre,

      We are prepping for disaster, both man-made and natural. We seek to be self-sufficient. When disaster strikes, we don’t want to be among the masses waiting for FEMA handouts. It’s great that you are getting electronics for your children for Christmas, but do you have enough food and water to provide for them in case of emergency?

    • templar knight says:

      Methinks you might be one of those 99%s occupying something, I’m not sure what, other than the gravy train. However, if you will read MD’s blog archives you might regain your senses if not your honor.

  85. goldielocks says:

    This week I’ve been canning food from my freezer. Canned an 18 pound turkey and 5 chicken thighs with legs. Also 4 pints of the chicken broth last night. My car is loaded with cases of home canned foods to move to Idaho. That is a thousand jars of home canned foods! The car sure feels different driving with all that weight! My concern of course is they all make it to my destination with the lids still sealed and not frozen. The boxes are covered up with a sleeping bag and blanket to keep them warm.
    I am a native Californian, a widow of 6 years, 61 years young and a prepper for sure. Never thought I would live anywhere else but I am so very ready to leave this state. Will rent while looking for my retreat property. Been looking for over two years now while on visits. Packing up a household you’ve lived in for over 20+ years is work. Plus I have about 2.5 years worth of food to move. My adult children used to roll their eyes at all my prepping. Now they are doing the same. It is scary to up and leave all by yourself but I am a survivor! Love to read this site everyday. Will let you all know how the transfer fo my home canned foods made the trip!

    • Yes. Please keep us updated! Good luck with the move!

    • goldilocks-stay safe and let us know when you get settled in your new home.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Well, now, goldielocks, I’m a widower and 61 years old. I’m looking for a bugout retreat and have no strings attached. Maybe I could help you move your canned food? (a sly grin crosses my lips as I type this.)

    • Goldilocks:

      If you put the rings back on the jars for transporting to Idaho it will improve your chances of getting there with most or all of the jars still sealed.

    • Goldilocks,

      Is there any way you can suspend one of those light bulb holders (the kind that men use when working on cars) in your car? In an enclosed area, a light bulb would generate enough heat to stop jars from freezing. (I hope you know what I am talking about–an extension cord with a cage type thing that holds a light bulb.)

    • blindshooter says:

      Hope you have a safe trip, I understand the pain of moving as I just had to do the same thing but only a couple miles separated the properties. If I were moving any distance I think I’d just sell a bunch of the stuff and start over. I hope it all works for you.

    • Goldielocks….good luck with your move!! And yes, please keep us informed.

    • Carl in W.V. says:

      Thought I was the only one that pulled meat out of the freezer and canned it up. I hate to think I lost meatto freezer burn that I worked so hard for.

    • templar knight says:

      goldielocks, as a born and bred Texan I never thought I would want to leave what I considered to be the best place in the entire world. But I saw what was happening, and is happening in Texas, and it is exactly the same thing that happened to California. Millions of illegal aliens have flooded the state, welfare and school costs are exploding, taxes are going up, politicians are pandering, and huge budget deficits are looming. It makes me physically ill to watch it implode, and it is so predictible, yet nothing is done because of the politicians in Washington.

      So I moved to the Ozark mountains of Arkansas. It was the best move I ever made. Clean air, clean water, friendly and self-sufficient, Christian people for the most part. I love it here. I hope your move turns out as well.

      • Templar Knight, you’re frightning me youngun. Althrough I lived in Louisiana almost half my life, I’m native born Texan and moved back here in ’85. I also have bought a place in North-central Arkansas with plans to relocate. Wouldn’t it be something if we ended up neighbors (possibly again)? You’re right about the people up there. Great people. Always looking out for each other like folks in this part of the country use to.

        Til next time, keep the coffee hot,

        • templar knight says:

          Well, Rex, if you bought in the Mountain View area, then we will be neighbors, although I live closer to Calico Rock.

          A big 10 dash 4 on the coffee.

          • I seem a little more isolated. I had a heart attack up there labor day weekend 2009 and discovered two things; cell phones don’t work and it’s a two hour drive to nearest town with hospital. That’s when you appreciate God and friends. The coffee is still a possibility though . . .

            Til next time . . .

  86. The Prepper says:

    I have a question for the rifle folks here. Given the 8 billion calibers out there, which ones do you think are worthwhile owning for taking small, medium and large game? 308? 270? 22-250? 30-30? 30-06? 22lr? I was thinking 22lr would be good for small game, 308 for larger game but I’m not sure what caliber would go in between these.

    • If you are just starting to get weapons, a .22 and a .308 are enough. Now get more ammo than you think you’ll ever use. The .22 is good for small stuff, with proper shot placement it can kill deer but that is only for Survival. The .308 will work well on anything in North America except Grizzly Bears. (You seem to encounter them up close and personal. 12 gauge slugs work then.) Finally, practice!!! If you can, shoot monthly at things like gallon jugs of water at various ranges. Try standing, kneeling and the prone position and see how you do. TV gives the impression you can kill things with noise, but it ain’t so.

    • Prepper, My vote is for the 308!!

    • Carl in W.V. says:

      Let me put my two and a half cent’s in. In my younger years I killed deer when I wanted a deer. My friends called it poaching but I tried poached egg’s and didn’t like them, I don’t know why they think I would eat a deer poached. But a .22 did the trick more than a dozen times. but I would say the most kills where with a .410 with triple 0 buck. From the list you have the .270 would be my choice as a matter of fact my Ruger M77 M II took two large black bears this year. Way I see it if I can kill a deer with a .22, moose/mouse and grizzly don’t stand much chance.

      • templar knight says:

        Carl and the Prepper,

        I grew up in W. Texas, and I have to say the first rifle I ever had(other than a .22) was a Remington M-700 in .270 win. It was the gold standard for a flat-shooting, hard-hitting rifle/caliber combo, and it’s still my all-time favorite. This rifle has made more one-shot kills on medium-sized game(whitetails, mule deer, pronghorns) than all my other rifles put together. I also killed a nice elk with my .270 several years ago, and wouldn’t hesitate to go after black bear with it.

        All this said, I understand why folks who have limited budgets would want to consolidate calibers in .308, especially those who have MBRs in 7.62x51mm. I’ve been stocking ammo for my .270 for years, so I keep mine as a great hunting rifle, and a better anti-sniper rifle than the .308.

        • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

          I once owned a Ruger in .270 and really liked it. Had to sell it to help pay property taxes one year. That rifle was sweet – flat shooting and true. Wish I still had it.

          • templar knight says:

            My dad bought me that Remington .270 in 1971, and it has served me well, and quite frankly, doesn’t look much different than it did that Christmas day I got it from Santa Claus. LOL.

            I plan on passing it on to one of my kids, hoping that they take the same care of it that I have. Talking about a gift that keeps on giving, a quality firearm is just that. I’m giving my daughter this Ruger for Christmas:


          • Carl in W.V. says:

            I have had mine 12 years. It’s a Ruger M77 MK II stainless and topped off with a silver Nikon Buckmaster 3-9×40. I also have a .50 Cal Knight Master Hunter muzzle loader in stainless topped off with the same scope.

    • Jo (Georgia) says:

      We use a 22lr for small game and a 30 06 for deer.

    • I would have to agree with the others, you have a great start. The one I like to split the difference is a .223. I have a Savage Edge, bolt-action with scope, that has great range and lots of power. Up side being cheaper ammo than the .308, plentiful, and lighter to haul around. In some areas it is illegal to hunt big game with this small of caliper, but we are talking survival needs. They are going for about $300 last time I looked.

  87. I almost felt that Christmas had come early this week. I recieved some surplus gloves and mittens from SG. In the same order were some wool socks, a Gamma lid, and 3 more 30 rnd mags for the AR. The local grocery had cans of vegetables for 29 cents a can and cans of beans for 49 cents. I am fixed for chilli making materials for quite a while! I am looking forward to some holiday down time to focus on the skills side of preparing though.

  88. I’ve spent WAY too much money this week, but I feel that it was well worth it.

    We bought a Ruger 10-22, an extra clip for it and 880 rounds to go with it. I’ve wanted one of these for quite a while. It has the bull barrel, which to me makes it too heavy but until I can find the one I want it will serve the purpose.

    Received my first order from EE. Don’t think I’ll order anymore shortening powder. I can purchase oil or lard cheaper… Also got the hand crank flashlight with cell charger, 4 emergency blankets and some handwarmers.

    Got some RedHead gloves that are mainly for work but will come in handy when TSHTF cuz they are super warm!

    For the larder, I got a case of tomatoes and tomato sauce, case of corn, 2 cans of Spam, 3 lbs rice, 2lbs each of redbeans and dry limas, a gallon of cooking oil, big jar of dill pickles and a huge jar of BBQ sauce. Also some Zatarain’s gravy mix, enough for about 20 cups. Hit the Dollar Tree for 5 peppercorn grinders, chopped garlic, red pepper and chili powder and 3 jars of mustard. Another 20# of potatoes and 2 # of carrots to dehydrate.

    For the medicine chest, (also @ Dollar Tree) I got 2 pks of superglue, 3 pks of liquid skin, lg bottle of hydrogen peroxide, antibacterial wipes, 4 bottles of hand sanitizer, 3 tubes of orajel, some antacid tablets, 2 tubes of athlete’s foot cream and 3 more tubes of triple antibiotic.

    Also got 5 boxes of emergency candles and another 12 roll pack of TP.

    With the holidays being so hectic, my family is choosing to spend New Year’s Eve together instead of Christmas….I am trying to figure out a way to bring up prepping w/o them all thinking I’m nuts. I NEED for them to take me seriously….any ideas Wolfpack???

    Have a great week everyone! 😉

    • B.B.
      My initial thought is to say how sorry you feel for the folks, like me, who have spent up to 7 days without power in SoCal. I have electric heat and a piezzioelectric starter for my kitchen stove.
      Matches were mandatory, so were good sleeping bags, flashlights, spare batteries and a radio.
      Keep it low enthusiasm. The folks who are listening will hear.
      Merry Christmas! John

      • A gas stove with a spark to start the burner? Mine worked fine when I lost power last hurricane, I just needed to use the candle lighter for a pilot light. I don’t know if I could get the oven to work, but I bet I’m ahead of the people who didn’t think to work the stove that way, or have stoves that don’t work that way.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      BamaBecca, my relatives think I’m nuts whenever I bring up prepping. But with the increasing violence in this state, my relatives are now thinking that having some “supplies” on hand is a good idea. The recent spike in gun sales is indicative that others feel the same way.

      I KNOW it is our duty to be watchmen and to warn others of the trouble that lies ahead, but we cannot force them to listen. I always just jump in with both feet and say something like, “Listen family, hard times are coming and you’ve got to get ready for them while you still have time.” Then they roll their eyes and we continue talking about football or some equally unimportant topic. But at least I keep trying to warn them, and that’s what the Bible tells me to do.

      We know you aren’t nuts, so don’t be put-off by their ignorance.

    • Bama,

      I would bring up the tornadoes ya’ll had this year and then say, gee, if that happened in our town, would you be ready? Or talk about the hardships those folks went through. People find it easier to prepare for natural disasters than economic collapse.

      • momengineer says:

        BamaBecca- I second the tornados….That *IS* the reason I got started with prepping…then realized just how many things were “lurking” out there. 😉

        While I wasn’t completely unprepared, I was a lot less prepared than I needed to be (for the tornadoes/tornados? in April). I am giving my in-laws a water bob for christmas and have been (trying gently) to urge my parents to stock up.

        It was comforting to be able to go and HELP with cleanup after the first day, because we (my immediate family) were set with food/water/supplies. Those that were directly hit were in need to help- and that is one of the reasons I want to be prepared, so that I can help others rather than running around trying to take care of my own, ykwim??

      • Thanks yall, for the ideas. I don’t think it will be too hard to convince my brothers and sister….and my mom and I have already had the “conversation”. It’s the younger ones I’m worried most about. They are the ones who still have young children and they don’t want to hear about anything like this. They are also the ones who will be the first to “run to Mama’s house” when it does happen. It would be nice if they were able to bring some things with them to help offset what I already have prepped. I think I’m pretty good on supplies for at least 4 or 5 months for 2 ppl, but when the family starts trickling in here….it won’t take long for my stuff to be gone. And there is no way I would ever turn any of them away.

        I guess when the time comes we will have to pray that the supplies will be like the story of the oil and flour in the bible….always just enough for one more meal! 😉

        You guys are great…..

    • BamaBecca, Why not bring up the fact that the price of food has gone so high that buying food has become the best investment for you and your family? Let people know a few specifics like the cost of peanut butter that was scheduled to go higher so you went out and bought some at the current price, saving yourself money. Then point out that you not only saved money, you look at it like you are EARNING money from ‘food investment’. Then say something along the lines of having extra food on hand and how smart you think that is with all of the natural disasters and the economy going in the tank. I doubt anyone could argue those facts.

  89. goldielocks says:

    Ok lintpicker, are you sure your not the big bad wolf wanting to get my basket of goodies? Oh yea, that’s Red riding hood. Thanks for the offer though. I have about 20 more boxes that will not fit in the car this trip. Thanks everyone for the suggestions. My son will be comming back with his enclosed trailer to take back all my very large potted plants and more food stuff. Then the very expensive movers will follow. Exhausting!

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Actually, I am a big bad Wolf. Well, technically I came out as a Puma when I took the Wildlife Personality Test a few months ago, but I’m a member of the Wolf Pack, so surely I can claim to be a Wolf. I do tend to howl at the moon and whiz on trees, so I’m either a Wolf or an Occupy Wall Street protestor.

  90. MD…I am not receiving email notices of new comments on this thread…or any thread I am subscribed to. I got some this am, but not for the rest of the day. Has something changed about that?

    • MtWoman,

      Not that I am aware of… it is all done by the blog software, or it is supposed to be…

      • M.D.,

        I am not receiving the email updates either. Two other people said they weren’t receiving the updates either.

        • Gayle,

          To be honest, I have no idea what to do about it – updates are sent automatically (or should be) by the software. I will see if I can figure out what to do…

          • Well…it’s 8 am, and I haven’t gotten an email notice for the blog for 22 hours…not even one for the new “banner contest” post to the main page, MD. I wouldn’t have even known about it if I hadn’t by chance gone to your home page. I think something’s up with your program…..

          • Well now SUDDENLY I am getting some, but only what’s been posted this AM. Maybe the timing on them being sent has changed?? But I still don’t have any from yesterday, including the “Banner contest” one.

            • Me too. This is the first email announcement since yesterday morning and I didn’t get the banner email either.

      • Hunker-Down says:


        I received about a dozen emails dated Monday (today), but nothing from last Sunday.

  91. Hi All,

    I found an interesting website. It has a prepping list for each week of the year. It has reasonable information. I think it’s a good reference to see if you’ve left something out of your preps. The information is good. But they also sell stuff and their prices are not competitive.


  92. This week got the following items for storage: cooking oil, shortening, variety of beans, rice, variety of canned meats, scrub brush, sponges, glass cleaner, laundry soap, shampoo, bleach, 16 count box of light bulbs, TP, paper plates, regular and hd aluminum foil, 5 gal of stabilized gas.

    • A cousin had said you can regrow onions. Just slice off the root end with about 1 inch of onion and plant. I soaked the ends for a day (like with celery) then planted. Now, 2 weeks later, they are sprouting.

      • Papabear,

        I did the same thing with scallions (green onions) and the grow back quickly. I think I will have fresh scallions all winter. (I’m not sure how well they will do when it warms up.)

      • I was wondering about that. I had a root end look like it was trying to go in the fridge. If I’d have had a spare flowerpot, I would have planted it to see what it did.

  93. charliebuck69 says:

    Picked up half a dozen food grade 5 gal.buckets for free at local recycling center and 270 gal.water storage from an ad I saw locally.Be safe Wolf Pack.God Bless America,we need it!

  94. momengineer says:

    I have to apologize if I seemed to be bashing another blog on a previous post- that wasn’t my intent. I think we can all discuss/disagree with each other on certain issues without being childish….Good reminder MD! I learn something from both blogs, and hope I can contribute back sometime.

    Now…this past week….

    Skills: began using my dehyrator. Pineapple is a big hit, not doing so well with the cranberries. Dried some mushrooms (all the canned mushrooms I have found lately are from China- do NOT want to eat anything from there!)

    Supplies: Got in an order of butter powder and eggs. Where we currently live (suburbs) can’t have chickens…so this will fill a gap. And just as an aside, even after things returned to “normal” after the tornadoes in April- milk and eggs were some of the hardest things to find for awhile. Do you have any idea how many recipes require eggs? LOL

  95. Thanks Gayle for the link! I already like it and I’ve only looked at a few pages. It also looks like a good link to send to my family members…lol.

    I also found another site this morning while doing research to make sure I dehydrate my carrots correctly. Here it is: http://www.easy-food-dehydrating.com. They have a monthly newsletter you can subscribe to also.

  96. Last week I tried to go shopping at a survival store, but the address was just for the web office.

    I decided that since not everything fits in my pantry, I have reached a pretty good level for minor interruptions of the infrastructure. I just need to maintain my supplies and keep finding sales to do it cheaply.

    Hubby is getting serious about trying to find a gun he likes. He figured out that Sunday is not a good day for the gun range; the line to use it was ridiculous. I spent that time wandering around town since I don’t know yet whether I hate just that range or if it’s another issue. I told my mother that I wanted dad’s old black-powder pistol. (I can only guess why he had it.) We’re going to have to find a place that would allow us to try it.

    I did come up with an interesting “what-if.” Say that, for whatever reason, you can’t store emergency food in your home. What are the chances of being able to store them in a rental garage, perhaps behind a wall of useless garbage like old encyclopedias, and have the looters leave it alone?

    • Hunker-Down says:


      If you choose another site for storage, check out the possibility that the temperature may go below freezing and spoil some of your supplies. If you live where I would like to live, that wouldn’t be a problem.

      • Ah yeah, I didn’t come up with too many reasons, but about half of them involve being in a wandering living situation, probably meaning a migration that hits the storage facility. I was also thinking that the survival stores would have to be limited to things that are indifferent to the environment.

        Probably the worst case is needing to have roommates.

        Ooooh, in freeze-concern areas, burying the food below the frost line in a box designed for graves would be perfect if there were such a thing as a scratch-and-dent clearance… They can tolerate the weight of dirt, and they’re water-tight because modern humans are hazardous to the environment. (Probably easier to use a busted refrigerator.)

        • Jo (Georgia) says:

          you can get climate controlled storage units. Obviously thats only so good if the power grid is down.

  97. Any suggestions for canned butter and eggs? I suddenly realized how hard these are going to be to get (without a cow and chickens…which I don’t have) And: is there any way to dehydrate these myself and store for long-term? I’m sure this info is on the blog somewhere, but I’m being lazy and just asking here. 🙂 Thanks. PS: can honey be dehydrated? I have some packets of “Ginger-Honey crystals”, but they’re from China, and I’d like to make my own.

    • perpetualsummer says:

      You got me thinking about the honey matter and I found this website.
      I’m a vegan and have found it is sometimes difficult but not impossible to “make do.”
      As far as eggs for a leavening agent there are alternatives. There is “Egg Replacer” by EnerG (a culinary egg substitute) which works great and I have found that finely ground flax seed mixed with water, let it sit for 10 min or so and you have a something that resembles egg whites. And good for you too. http://www.healthcastle.com/flax.shtml
      I use the two together in a recipe and it turns out pretty good.

      • Perpetualsummer,
        Thanks you. My wife is allergic to eggs which makes it a problem because of some things I like to cook need eggs. The subsititutes will help.

    • MtWoman,

      Neither butter nor eggs can be canned safely at home. For longterm storage, your best bet is to buy them dehydrated.

    • Need to clarify my post: anyone have suggestions of where to BUY canned eggs and butter….dehydrated I suppose? I would hope I could find them in sizes smaller than the #10 can…or someone could tell me how to “decant” it into smaller sizes safely.

      • MtWoman,

        Sorry for the confusion. EE has the new “pantry sized” cans. Here’s the link.


      • Hunker-Down says:
        • Thanks Hunker-D. I used to make my own Ghee, for, um, ‘green’ baking….many, many, many years ago. Thanks for the link, but I want/need regular butter to start.

          • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

            I knew you were a “green” grower, which explains why you lived in the “wilderness.” That really torques my jaw.

            • MtWoman (N Texas) says:

              LintPicker…you’re jumping to conclusions: I wasn’t a green grower, just did a bit of baking at a time. And I lived in wilderness because I wanted to be there, not for any other reason. I’m sorry if your jaw is torqued. Perhaps a bit of understanding that Life is for all, not just any certain kind would un-torque it. People are complex, not just “one kind” of thing. Yes, I was a bit of a hippie for awhile, but I am an intelligent, moral, caring and responsible person, and it’s a shame that you would judge me so intently by part of my past…and without even knowing me. I like and respect your humor and wisdom that I have seen on here…even with your judgemental-ness sometimes… and would hope you would extend the same to me. The conditions of the world right now affect everyone, and obviously I have a reason to be here, on this blog, at the same time as you. That means we have something in common, regardless of our political or other views. Let’s carry on with what’s important. You never know who you’re gonna need some time.

          • What is ‘green’ baking? Is this baking with marijuana or is this baking with all natural ingredients or is this using an oven that does not emit pollutants?

        • MTWoman:
          I can testify that the Red Feather butter is good. I’ve used it for 3 years. I also got some Clarified Butter. I’d use it for cooking (a long term solution for most of our oil needs) and can be used as a spread, I is just better than nothing. I got mine from MRE Depot but Emergency Essentials carried it now.

        • Heads Up: Butter

          Attention Publix shoppers (and everyone else) Publix will have 1 lb. of butter for $2 this week (in some areas it may be $2.50–still a good price).

          Most grocery stores around the corner will have a sale on butter this week or next week, as it’s the last week for holiday baking sales.

          Buy enough to last 6 months because the next big sale on butter won’t be until June (National Dairy Month).

    • If you want eggs that actually taste like eggs try Ova Easy, Each can contains 6 pouches with a pouch equivalent to a dozen eggs. Each case contains 2 cans (12 dozen eggs). 7 year shelf-life! http://www.nutriom.com/
      For butter I buy Red Feather® Pure Creamery Canned Butter. Available from many outlets on line. Each can contains 12 oz of butter – which works out to three traditional sticks of butter.

      • Thanks Ron. Will check that out.

      • Ron G, I just received my order of 2 #10 cans of the Ova Easy eggs from Honeyville and I am glad to know other people like them. They threw in a sample pouch with the order which we will try soon. I had looked them up after someone else here had mentioned them a few weeks back. I ordered mine from Honeyville but I will check out the link you gave. Thanks.

        • We have used these eggs on several occasions and we like them a lot. Rather then spend a lot of time shopping on the net I try to buy directly. I presume I will get the best price and fresher product.

  98. templar knight says:

    I wanted to re-interate something I saw on the news this morning. An encounter between a MIL and SIL had her shooting him twice with a .22 cal handgun, both hits in the torso area, and all the action filmed on a cell phone. The weapon jammed, she had no idea how to clear it, and he took the weapon away from her and left the scene. A few important points:

    1. The .22lr is underpowered.
    2. Learn how to clear a round from a semi-auto pistol.
    3. Keep some distance between you and an attacker.
    4. Have a backup weapon.

    Although this woman was in the wrong here, and this was apparently an unprovoked attack on the man, the lessons are here to be learned. If this man had been the aggressor, she would be dead. By the way, he has already left the hospital, with both rounds still inside him, and apparently no worse for the wear, or the .22 bullets. Think about it. Then get yourself an effective caliber weapon(hint:9mm and larger) and learn to use it. Practice…practice…practice….

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Do you think .22lr HP would have done more damage to the SIL? Just wondering since my Sister-in-law thinks her .22 derringer will defend her. I told her “fat chance”, which ticked her off in 2 ways: 1) she’s fat and thought I was making fun of her (I was not), 2)she likes her little gun alot and doesn’t want to have to give it up for something more powerful.)

      • Lint:
        Try getting her to use some other 22 LR ammo. I’s also get her some clay pigeons. The regular ones are nice but they make some that are even smaller. Set them up, then back up until you can’t put all 6 rounds into the clay.
        I really like the 60gr Aguila subsonic rounds. More expensive and harder to find, but you should see what my Walther P22 did to a coconut at 7 yards. Split it open. If ammo wasn’t such a b***h to ship, I’d send you a dozen.

        • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

          JP in MT, thanks for the info. I never even heard of Aguila subsonic rounds, but I’ll be looking for them. Got to get the family onboard, even if it’s only starting out with a derringer.

      • templar knight says:

        Very little more, Lint, although given the chance I would prefer the HP. As far as a .22 derringer being a good self-defense gun, it’s horrible, even worse than the average .22 pistol as its short barrel makes it less accurate and less powerful. It would be better than nothing as a backup, but should NEVER be anyone’s primary weapon. By the way, the MIL used a Walther P22 in the shooting, or so I heard.

        Your advice to your SIL was right on target.

  99. Late getting this posted as DW was visiting DD (who was in a musical) this past weekend in Boston and I had chores on top of everything else.
    Received my Generation-T Night Vision Goggles this week. The “T” is for toy and these are the Realtek Spy Gear goggles that considering the price, work surprisingly well. They were only $30 vs. $3000 for the “real” Gen 4 versions but they do give me an addition to the preps that were missing.

    My “used” soft back copy of “The Bean Bible” and it looks new. There are some slight dents on the outer corners of the cover, but I’ve seen worse with new books in the bookstore.
    A new LED lantern (24 LEDs running on 4 ‘D’ batteries, so the life should be very good.
    Finally, while researching some information on WW II subsistence recipes, I stumbled across “The Lewis and Clark Cookbook” and the page with the information (http://lewisandclarktrail.com/hunting.htm) had a recipe for corned beef. Corning is yet another way to preserve meat without refrigeration.

    • Can meat other than beef be preserved with this method?

      • BamaBecca,
        I suspect it can, but really don’t know. Hopefully the book will have more information when it arrives or in any case I’ll be doing some more research. I’ll report back on the book, which I found used for $7.74 including shipping.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      OP, glad to see you show up here – better late than never.

      Do you have a link for those nightvision goggles? That price is so low it seems like a typo. It isn’t a typo, is it? LOL I might order me a pair if there’s a link for buying them. Thanks.

      • Me too. Then I can go chicken hunting at night with my new slingshot. I am a natural folks. I can plunk anything from 10 feet.

      • Lint & Gayle,
        I got them on a time limited offer from woot.com but a Google search of “spy gear night vision goggles” will get you a host of suppliers in the $30-50 range along with some demonstration videos. Mine also has a built in camera for both still and video and has an infrared source that can be switched on if needed. Keep in mind that these are a toy but work surprisingly well. They run on 4 AA batteries and claim about 3 hour’s runtime.

      • Nor Cal Ray says:

        I saw hem in Sportsman Guide ad last week. The price is right. They are toys. They are good for about 30 feet.

  100. Rob in Ontario says:

    Hi all this is a few weeks worth of prepping- picked up a cheap night vision scope for $60 off Kijiji — was at the cabin and heard the power was off was I was on my way up so picked up kerosene for lamps pack of 6 wicks for $2.50 6 pack of hand warmers at Giant Tiger for $1.47 was at TSC got book on Root Cellars helped a freind clean out a old building used for storage he gave me a few boxes of odd and ends nice 2-d cell mag lite-went to Bulk Barn and got some Soya Milk and Salk wow prices are going up — stopped by the gun store looked at SKS good price of $225– was hoping for 30-30 Winchester but at $400 looks like the SKS is first

  101. I guess my prepping this last week was just reading about what the Wolf Pack is up to. And, that takes quite a bit of time with all the fine wolves here reporting. I’m just tired, but hope to get back in gear this week. I did buy a flashlight for my sister-in-law that lost her electricity last week and had only ONE flashlight to her name and the batteries are dying! Obviously not a prepper!! She is recently widowed and I have been widowed 4 years, so I think I can gently lead her to being more prepped. We had ice this last week, so need to definitely be prepped for being stuck at home for several days. I, personally, think I have enough for 6 months except for water and I need to rectify that pdq. I do have enough water for a couple of weeks.
    Hope all are doing well. God’s blessings to you all.

    • Jarhead 03 says:

      Copperhead, even reading and getting ideas is form of prep. Did your sister live here in southern California? Some had a few hours many in my area went 40 to 48 hours and as much as a week or two.

      • Copperhead says:

        Jarhead 03
        I did do tons of reading…love this blog for information!

        We live in Texas!! She was only out for a few hours, but that can be a long time with no light after dark. Unfortunately, there are still some here that live for the day not for the future. I am so thankful that my DD and SIL are on board. It makes it much easier for me to be able to share and save some things together.
        I am putting extra aside for family or beloved friends that just do not get it, but I preserve OPSEC, so they don’t know they are being prepared for.

        • Jarhead 03 says:

          Copperhead, there are plenty of flashlights and lanterns that will turn on easily and the simple touch/press lights that require AA batteries and can be mounted anywhere. I keep them in the mounted in the closets and hallway.

  102. Been trying to stay off line and not watch news…ignorance is bliss around the holidays. Finished my girls Christmas presents: adult sized sleeping bags even though they are only 4 and 2, matching fleece throw blanket, and matching mini lanterns. The idea is to get them to like the outdoors as much as I do, and in my opinion it will make them better survivalists.
    – case of canned pumpkin from walmart at $1 per lg can
    – 2 lg bottles vanilla extract at $1.99
    – 10 cans soup at $1
    – 8lb of unsalted butter to freeze at $1.99
    – 4lbs Cali. walnuts
    – 10lbs of flour to round out my years supply
    If it wasn’t for the eggs, I could definitely say I have enough ingredients to make a years worth of chocolate chip cookies!!

    Anyone in the pack have experience with guinea fowl?

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      We had a little discussion about guinea fowl on last week’s WDYDTPTW. I forget how far down the thread you’d have to go to find it, though.

      From what I remember, guinea fowl are noisy, but make good watch fowl (like watch dog). They are a bit chewy if you eat them, but you can eat them and their eggs. And I remembered seeing them at all the old homesteads around here when I was a kid. They seemed to be quite popular with the oldtimers because they ate the bad bugs, snails, slugs, and ticks and because they were noisy when somebody arrived. Sorry, not much help.

      • And guinea are good at killing snakes! I had a friend in So Cal on the desert that kept them expressly for keep the rattle snake population down.

    • Thank you Lint and Worrisome! I’ll check last week’s post, it seriously takes me hours to read through everyones comments, so I haven’t been as diligent about going back through lately.

      Deer ticks have become a serious issue at my parents location, and my mom even contracted limes disease this summer. I think I’ve convinced them we have to at least try guinea. Oh the adventures to come!

  103. Carl in W.V. says:

    I got my christmas bonus friday. I took one of the guy’s that works for me to the local gun show. I have been prepping for about two years and I got him on board about a year ago. Any way I had a Kel-Tec SU16c chambered in .223 it was cheap and takes ar/m4/m16 Magazines. So my worker has a SU16b and he wants a SU16c like mine with the chromed lined barrel. We take his to the gun show and trade it for a DPMS Panther arms AR I gave 200 boot and traded him my SU16c for it, what a deal. I was so happy I had to sit on my hands to keep from waving at everybody. just kidding but I was happy.

  104. Wolf Pack:
    I just got the paracord wrist bracelets for Nor Cal Ray and was looking at the buckle. It would be a good place to put a black wolf paw on a white circle. I’ve done some plastic modeling in the past and a decal would not be hard to make with all the new software now.
    Will keep you posted if I can make this work.

    • JP,

      I emailed MD a drawing of a wolf paw print. (My dh is a trained artist.)

      MD–any chance you could email JP the image? I will email it to you again so you don’t have to look for it. (JP, that is if you want to use it.)

  105. Gayle:
    Sounds like a plan. Somewhere I have the software to transfer an image to the special paper for decals. I get the image and we’ll give it a shot.

    • Okay. I’ve emailed it to M.D. and asked him to forward it to you.

      • Gayle; Got it. May get put off. Grandson #1 (11 yo) has sinus infection that is dissolving the bone under his left eye. Surgery is 10 am tomorrow. Must put 1st things first.

        • My prayers are with your GS for a successful surgery and a quick recovery.

        • That is a scary situation with your grandson, I will pray for a speedy recovery.

        • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

          Prayers for the full recovery of your grandson, JP. Never knew a sinus infection could do that, geez.

          • Lint, Nuttbush, Copperhead, et al.:
            Thanks for the prayers and good thoughts. GS is doing good. They were able to got through his nose and fix everything so no other invasions. He’s due to be released either today or tomorrow because they are waiting for the stuff to grow to make sure they have him on the right antibiotics. Although he’s 11 yo, he’s 5’4″ with size 11+ feet! So he’s a big boy. He’s taking it pretty well. I’m under the weather so I didn’t go up to the hospital (it’s full of sick people, don’t cha know) but they are at my house 5 days a week anyway so the rest of his recovery will be here.

  106. We finally got a Food Saver vacuum sealer. The Amazon deal couldn’t be passed up. We got this model for $55.00 off the original price with the extra bag kit.

    We also eliminated a portion of our group that have not been participating. Due to this we now have our other group members (just family) willing to be more participatory.

    We added to our food and water storage in a big way..our usual canned goods and water, and thanks to BIL, 35 more MRE’s. Of course, there was more ammo added to the store.

    In my small “Single Mother” counseling group, I found out (while stepping out to the potty and coming back in unexpected) that three of my SM’s are preppers and we have begun to talk about our prepping. We all agreed to work together in a smaller group to share ideas, and support one another’s families in our efforts.

    Would love to know how my prepper friends have used the Food Saver to preserve sugar and flour. Let me know what you have accomplished and how we need to do this the right way for long-term.

    Peace out!

    • Hunker-Down says:


      We put sugar and powdered milk in mason jars because they tend to pick up odors if exposed to other foods while on the shelf for a long time. We add 2-3 small desiccant silica gel packets to absorb moisture and then we use the Food Saver vacuum attachment to remove the air.

      We don’t try to store flour because the shelf life is only about 5 years, compared to wheat at 30 years. So we stock the shelves with wheat and grind it to make flower.

    • Bandurasbox, I bought a Foodsaver this time last year and really love having it. As far as the sugar, I don’t use the Foodsaver for it, I keep the bag of sugar in it’s original bag (mostly I buy the 25 lb. bags at Walmart, cheaper per pound) and place them in mylar bags, seal them up, and put them in food grade buckets. I don’t use O2 absorbers on sugar, will turn it into a brick. I have sealed brown sugar and confectioner’s sugar with the Foodsaver in their original bags and these are stored in Rubbermaid totes. I only have about 8 lbs of brown sugar and 3 lbs of confectioners stored because I also store molasses and you can make brown sugar with it and regular sugar.

      Flour: I use the 11 inch rolls and make a big bag and place the whole bag of flour in the foodsaver bag and suck it down as much as it will go. These go in my big freezer and right now I have about 45 lbs of various types of flour (regular, bread and pancake mix) stored like this. Freezing the flour will make it last longer and kill off any eggs that might be in the flour. I also have 475 lbs. of white wheat stored in mylar and buckets along with a grain mill for longer term storage. The flour is rotated out on a more frequent basis.

      I have also used the Foodsaver to prepare meat, fresh okra, nuts, cheese, bacon bits, pepperoni slices, etc for the freezer and have been very pleased at it keeping out the “freezer taste” or freezer burn. Unlike regular freezer bags, you don’t have the problem with ice crystals forming inside and messing up the food.

    • Jo (Georgia) says:

      keep an eye out on the online coupons there are coupons for those food saver bags just about every week these days.

  107. Completed a defensive shotgun class

    Read “Survivability For The Common Man” , by Dave Canterbury

    Reading “When Disaster Strikes” by Matthew Stein

    Gave the gift of prepping to the men that I am in a special ministry with at my church. I put together a small “survival kit” for each of them that included a good, fixed blade knife, flint/steel/magnesium fire striker/starter, some 550 para-cord and a small booklet from the movie “Courageous”. I also included Bible verses that pertained to the knife, cordage and fire starter. The gifts were a big hit.

  108. Candy in Nebraska says:

    Well we have managed to stock up a little this week.

    Went to Cash-wa and puchased in cash:
    Big box of damaged toilet paper for $10.00 enough to last us for a year.
    20 lbs of macaroni noodles
    2 lbs of powdered cheese
    2 lbs of yeast

    Wally world we got:
    2 cans of coffee
    20 lbs of hamburger just before the raised the prices again
    10 pkg of hot dogs
    10 boxes of mac n cheese

    Doller Store:
    6 cans of potted meat
    3 boxes quart size zip lock bags

    started cutting up rags to crochet rag rugs.
    almost done knitting a 2nd hat
    printed off more patterns for knitted caps, gloves and sweaters.
    coping recipes down for my daughters that they will be able to use to help them prep.

    have the turkey thawing to cook up and can. Going to have a supper make soup and can the rest. What ever is left after the girls strike that is.

    • Carl in W.V. says:

      I like to pat out my burgers and fry them till they are done, then add 3 cups of water to each frying pan. I have two extra large ones. When I fry up enough to fill 8 wide mouth quart jars, I can them in my pressure canner. Hambugers ready to eat anytime, drain some juice and fry till warm. Saved a ton of money on not having to throw away freezer burnt hamburger, or early saturday morning shooping spree at wally world for price reduced burger.

  109. It sure is funny reading the comments as email notifications, without the main post in sight! Saw one about: “recommend not sitting down, as one crawled up under me”. HAD to go see what the comment was in response to!! I guess I’m easily entertained!! 🙂

    • Haha, can’t remember what your quote was about except it’s probably connected to snakes. It took several minutes before I remembered that “we float the oil in ours. add water in the bottom to use up most of the space in the jar then pour the oil in on top” was probably about oil lamps and fire hazards.

      • Jo (Georgia) says:

        Mt Woman and Kelekona, Wow that was me in both cases I’m going to have to start being more specific in my responses!

  110. Jarhead 03 says:

    DaveNV/AZ if you see this can you let us know how your doing?

  111. Jo (Georgia) says:

    We had a pretty good week. Finally decided it was time to get a gun safe, fortuitous timing on our part since the store was having a model closeout sidewalk sale. Got a fantastic deal, and they will deliver it and “install” it. Acquired candy making as a skill and have now made fruit gelee out of all the fruit in the house. mmmm home made gummy bears….

    I’m working on making survival kits for friends for Christmas but these people aren’t on board with prepping so I’m kinda hiding useful stuff in packages of fun. Calling it “snowpocalyps survival kit” Its got home made chocolate syrup, and some brain teaser games in it for fun, then home made lip balm, hand warmers, and some small flashlights for the actual survival stuff so far. I’d love to hear suggestion from the pack on things to throw in.

    • Great idea, an ice breaker. Not knowing the budget, I really like the Fenix 1 flashlight for small kits. 1 AAA batt, led, throws some light for a good long time. They go for about $10 on eBay in lots of colors, I bought them for all the girls around here. A bic lighter and a repossessed Swiss Army Knife from eBay would be nice additions.

      • Jo (Georgia) says:

        I’ll check these out. I’m trying to make about 10 kits and keep it under $50 so the flash lights might be too expensive, but that doesn’t mean people wont start getting them for birthdays lol.

  112. Love your snowpocalypse kit idea–bet the recipients do too! How about adding one of those mylar blankets? Maybe a big baggie of sand for traction, if they get ice in their area? Some peppermints and teabags to soothe scratchy throats?

    • Jo (Georgia) says:

      I think I have a recipe for mints around here somewhere, and I like the tea idea I have some chamomile. I thought about rock salt I’m not sure how big a bag I would need to put in for it to be useful. We do get ice here, pretty bad actual but everything just shuts down when it happens. If I had more money I’d make the kit more serious and put a full bag of rock salt, and a shovel in each kit. Maybe next year!

  113. Please. Never encourage anyone to go out when the roads are iced.

    • jo (Georgia ) says:

      Ron, they know better than to drive when there’s ice problem is usually the main road gets cleared but your driveway and side walk don’t. Last year the city plowed every one into their neighborhood and we were the onlyones with snow shovels. Its hilarious to watch the try to dig out with garden spades.

      • Dang, I don’t own a snow shovel. Maybe I should run out and buy one. Oh, wait. I live in Florida. It’s 78 degrees and sunny right now.

        • Jo (Georgia) says:

          Shovels are good for more than snow. Perhaps when the hurricane brings you a couple feet of mud you’ll want one 😉

  114. Home Depo’s website currently shows an in-store price of $3.28 for 50 lbs of Pavestone play sand, or about 6.5 cents a pound (plus the cost of a baggie).

    We usually get one big ice storm a year here, just enough to shut everything down, but not enough that people remember to have a bag of sand on hand. Even if a pound was only enough for the front walk, maybe it would nudge some of the recipients to go out and get a full bag.

    One more thought: if you have small jars from baby food or such, you could add a wick, a paper clip wick holder, some matches and instructions for a just-add-olive-oil oil lamp. To play up the ‘fun’ angle (with the appropriate recipients), the instructions could have a quip about ‘may also be used for romantic mood lighting.’

    • Jo (Georgia) says:

      The diy oil lamp is a good idea, and then they would learn something too. Somewhere around here I have instructions for a diy solar emergency radio, that might be fun too.

  115. Jo (Georgia) says:

    Lint, did you know Lowe’s has an entire line of flashlights called panther vision?

  116. Ron, you’re right that it’s not prudent to go out when the roads are iced.

    To clarify, I was thinking about a common situation in our area, which I think is about the same latitude as Jo’s. The roads and alleys tend to clear quickly just from evaporation and the sun, but not the driveways or front walks. For our typical conditions, the boost of traction/melting power from sand can make it safe enough to get out of the driveway or go to the mailbox.

    Jo, this gave me one other thought for a cute, inexpensive addition to your kit. How about a 3×5 index card (folded to fit in a wallet), with a list of impotant contacts numbers they can fill in (like Roadside Assistance, emergency contacts, local police etc.).

    The other side could have a reminder like “Common Sense: don’t leave home without it” in big letters in the center, and other sayings around it, like ‘look before you leap’, ‘measure twice, cut once’, ‘put on a sweater, I’m cold’.

    Maybe even ‘don’t eat yellow snow’, since it *is* a snowpocalypse kit. . . .

    • Jo (Georgia) says:

      I like this. And your right that’s about how our roads go. Maybe I should include a plastic scraper that would fit in a wallet for scraping windshields. Seems like maybe there should be a home kit and a car kit….

      • LOL, Jo, your kits could be an annual thing, with a new theme each year. Or maybe home kits for Christmas and car kits for birthdays, if these are folks you exchange birthday gifts with.

        Thanks for letting us help you brainstorm–it’s fun to imagine everyone opening their kit and pulling out things, almost like stocking stuffers. You are a thoughtful friend indeed.

        • Jo (Georgia) says:

          I intend for it to be an annual thing, they are all open to the idea of being prepared but most of them are not in positions where they feel threatened enough to actually go out and do something about it. Last year was a bit of an eye opener for some of them, I ended up with several people on my door step that offered to work for food cause they’d run out. I made them do the dishes and I made a big pot of hearty potato soup, then sent them all home with some left overs and a lot of reminders to stock their pantry’s better. BTW never seen people so excited to have chocolate or beer which we wouldn’t have shared had we not had plenty and had they not been friends. So admittedly part of this whole thing is to keep them from showing back up on my doorstep.

          Thank you for helping me brainstorm its really helpful. Maybe we could come up with specific kits for various disasters….

      • “Maybe I should include a plastic scraper that would fit in a wallet for scraping windshields.”

        If they’re trying to scrape a windshield, shouldn’t they already have one? Or do some states not laminate driver’s licenses? Actually, better to use the loyalty card of your local grocer’s if it’s sturdy enough.

        • jo (Georgia ) says:

          The ice here gets to thick, you could easily snap a credit card or drivers license in half. Think quarter inch or so, it gets thicker but then you just have to wait for it to melt.

  117. I am so excited. I have made arrangements for my sister (former cop) and I go to to the shooting range while she’s down for Christmas. I plan on getting some quality trigger time with my new 9 mm.

  118. Heads UP: Mountain House

    I just received an email from EE–they are having a 20 to 25 percent off sale on Mountain House foods.

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