What did you do to prep this week?

I’m sorry about the delay in posting this – I had to go up to my mother’s house this morning to repair her roof, before the rain hits later today. Got it done, it looks good and she will stay dry – but I did remember that I don’t care much for heights. 😯

For donations via PayPal this week, I would like to think Jana M, Mark H, Author B and Lewis for their very generous contributions. Thank you for helping me keep this blog going…

I would also like to thank Joe Nobody for sending me a copy of his new book “Holding Your Ground” that is available through Amazon.com and at his web page. I’ve not had time to read it all the way through, but did give it a good “flip through” and from what I could tell the book has some helpful and easy to implement advice on way to better defend your home and or retreat.

Okay, not let me see what did I do to prep this week… ?:-)

Finished writing the “outline” for my third book “The Dirt Cheap Survival Guide to Providing Your Own Food” look for this one to be available from Paladin Press this fall. And don’t forget “31 Days to Survival” is scheduled for release early this spring.

What else? I ordered several books through Amazon.com including…

I also received my order (a barter deal for ad space on the blog) of a “3-Month 2-Person Kit” that contains 60 #10 Cans with an average shelf-life of 30+ years, from Augason Farms… Fast shipping and good service.

What did you do to prep this week? Let us know in the comments below…

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  1. I reviewed what my state allows pertaining to castle law. Since the recent Oklahoma mom incident, I think it is imperative that we all know and review what our state allows us to do in the event of an intruder. There are links on my blog if you want to check them out too.

    • Anonymous Prepper says:

      When our lives are on the line, we use as much force as necessary to stop any intruder. I dont care about what the law says I am allowed to do or not allowed to do. Its the lives of my wife and children that are on the line. I guess what I am saying is that the cops and the law are not relevent to a life and death scenario, and if the powers that be want to imprison me for protecting my family, so be it. Really, what would you do if an armed intruder threatened your family? Would you act or think about how lawful it would be for a while, allowing your lack of action and reaction time to let the intruder get the upper hand on you anbd potentially kill you or your family, or would you just shoot them?

      Dont forget the the supreme court has held, time and time again, that the police has absolutely no duty to protect you, and hold no liability for a failure to protect you.

      Also, in a SHTF scenario, the people trying to take your resources and supplies certainly wont be concerned with the law when they are cold, hungry, and homeless.

      • I agree 100% I just find it so interesting that in some states intruders are granted any sort of rights…It blows my mind.

        • Anonymous Prepper says:

          Of course criminals have rights, but they gave up certain rights by infringing on ours. In the old days it was alot easier. Someone stole, you cut off their hand. Someone murdered, you used a tree and a rope for justice. This made crime very very low to non-existent, regardless of the contrary propaganda you see in movies.

          But today, our rights are really privilages and benefits metered out by the state, to be applied for, registered (property too), and regulated… not rights…

          I disagree with our current system in jsut about every way imaginable. I believe we have our birth rights… to be able to do anything we want so long as we honor our commercial agreements and infringe on no one elses rights while excersizing our own, but statute law has been invented to prevent that, and to make us guilty until proven innocent by default, thus arbitrary laws and ordinances rule and control us, created by men and women with agendas that do not serve the will of the people they represent… their employers… all to create a never-ending turnstyle we constantly walk through and are controlled by to imprison us and strip our wealth… from parking our cars, cutting our grass, making a campfire in the back yard, to hunting and fishing for food on our own land, and everything else you could ever imagine. They think we are little babies and children that need a firm hand, because we can not take care of ourselves. To control us… and its hammered into us by conditioning propaganda in our school systems, media systems, corporate/business systems, financial systems, and government itself.

          We have no rights that we do not have the ability to defend with deadly force. Meaning, if you are unable to defend your rights with deadly force, you have no rights, because anyone, street thug, neighbor, or government, can take them at any time they so choose through compiance, superior force, fear, and even statute and ordinance laws created by your representatives who do not serve your will.

          Give everyone in the nation a handgun, safety and usage training, and confidance that will come with experience, and you will see the end of violent crime against citizens in America, because the criminal would realize that anything they do to infringe on another would be met with deathly force… every time. In fact, I think it should be law to arm every citizen and give them such training and experience.

          Arguments can be made that the state does not want this … that they require citizens to be fearful, unhappy, unable to care for themselves, disenfranchised, and need the government to protect them and provide for them… to perpetuate the fraud and to justify the financial rape and absolute control of the citizenry. They also need crime for the same reasons.

          Of course this is all for the greater good of the collective hive.

          There are very good reasons the “an eye for an eye” law has worked for thousands of years to prevent crime. It works.

          • MtWoman (N Texas) says:

            Anonymous Prepper…much truth in your post. I’d add that part of the problem is the sheeple, who expect government to take care of them, and who easily give up their rights left and right for “protection”. I see it happen everyday. There seems to be a couple generations of folks who don’t know any better now. Woe is us.

          • templar knight says:

            As free men(and women), we have the rights guaranteed to us by the Constitution of the United States. If we lay down and don’t exercise them, that in no way means they don’t exist. They do. They are God-given, and no man(or woman) has the right to take them away.

            • Anonymous Prepper says:

              @templar knight,

              Sorry, but the constitution is a useless rag anymore, that has been deficated on and shredded many generations ago, and ever day since. Our rights come from birth, through our creator, God, or however you want to define how life was created and who created it. All the constitution did was to officially ratify what Men deemed to be the most important of those birth rights. Personally, I think the Declaration of Independence holds more authority and importance. Its the first time Man stood up and said “screw you” to the elite rulers and shadow governments who have controlled populations for thousands of years. Government derives power only through consent of the governed.

              “… Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government …”

              It’s time to wake up everyone you know …

              It’s time for change.

              radical revolutionary change.

    • Rose&Rooster says:

      Those things are good to know, HM. Still, it’s always been true that “it’s better to be judged by 12 than to be carried by 6” even in the best of times.

  2. Just want to say good job to you M. D. for taking such good care of your Mom. I know she appreciates it.

    As soon as we came back from our trip to the Outback Bowl (gotta have some fun sometimes), I went right to work: I made up a sewing kit and purchased 2 packs of handwarmers, 2 eye droppers for using bleach to sterilize water and some more rope for the emergency evac kits. I also bought a 97 cent first aid kit for my purse, 400 quilter’s pins, 45 more needles, 2 bags of Vitamin C drops, 4 bath scrubbers, 3 boxes of popcorn, 2 jars peanuts, 10 lbs. chicken, and some pork chops (the last 4 items on big sale).From Harbor Freight I got a tool bag, pry bar, hammer, a magnetic parts holder to use in sewing kit for pins and a free pair of scissors.

    Gayle, I wasn’t sure you saw my note last week so I will mention it again. When we drove through Gainesville going to Tampa, I gave you a shout out “Hello”. I hope you heard! Have a great week everyone.

    • Nuttbush,

      LOL Nope. I didn’t hear it.

    • I forgot to add one thing since I was typing so fast to get the original post on since my DH was calling me but I tried an experiment while we were driving to Florida. Normally when the DH is driving, I will read. This time I bought some knitting needles and yarn and reacquainted myself with knitting. I managed to make to very warm scarves while my DH drove the 400+ miles each way. So now in addition to bread making, dehydrating, sewing, and crocheting, I added knitting and soon I will try my hand at canning to my list of necessary skills. Makes me feel better.

      I am worried about Lint too. And I miss bctruck’s and Lynn’s posts. Hopefully all our pack is okay and will be back soon.

      • Nuttbush,

        Canning is such a great way to increase your preps, especially if you do pressure canning. This Christmas I gave away dozens of jars of various stuff, salsas, chutneys, relishes (especially corn relish–yum), soups. This year I want to focus on canning jams and syrups.

      • Hunker-Down says:


        Canning your gallons will trash your driving….i mean….Canning while driving will trash your miles per gallon.

        • Canning and driving is not advised, especially if you are making salsa with scotch bonnet peppers.

          I gave my brothers salsa for Christmas. They are always trying to outdo one another to see who can eat the hottest foods. So I doubled the amount of peppers and switched from habanaro to scotch bonnet peppers. They didn’t think the salsa was that hot. So next year I am going to add even more scotch bonnet peppers.

          I think I will have my dh take a photo of my while I am cutting up the peppers–with my gas mask and surgical gloves. LOL

          • Try some Ghost Chillis way hotter than habaneros or schoth bonnets look at penderys.com that will really blow their mouths up!!!

            • George,

              I have never heard of ghost chilli peppers but I will check them out.

            • JeffintheWest says:

              George is right — Ghost Chilis are about 400 times hotter than Tabasco sauce. It has a Scoville rating of roughly 1,000,000 Scoville heat units (while Habanero peppers rate 200K to 300K on the Scoville scale). Be careful when cooking them (and don’t cook them indoors!) because they are so hot the vapors can actually cause great pain to you. I suggest a gauze mask (or even gas mask if you have one) some eye protection and gloves.

              Of note, the Indian Department of Defense is weaponizing Ghost Chilis as a more effective riot control agent in their pepper spray dispensers.

            • I am smelling sweet revenge for all the mean things my brothers did not me as a kid. LOL. I need to get me some ghost peppers. I’ll be sure to use my gas mask and surgical gloves when I make up their Christmas salsa.

            • George is right about the ghost chilis. They can blister the inside of your mouth. My family eats chili everyday and has hot sauce with every meal. And ghost chilis kick their butts. Your brothers might act tough when they eat them. But wait till they come out the other end. Then your revenge will be complete! Buahaaahaaaahaa!
              P.S. Have more than one pair of heavy latex gloves.

            • Mama J.,

              You are so funny. I love it.

          • Gas masks? Surgical gloves? Could that be nature’s way of saying “this is NOT food?”

  3. Well prepping is like life it changes day by day.
    Found out will have to stall my monthly list prepping plans till a little later months.
    But have made headway on regular prepping.
    The regular grocer had stuff on sale so I picked up:
    1 case of chili 99 cents a can (reg. price now $1.59)
    1 case of green beans 59 cents a can (beats the 60 + cents that canned vegi’s are now)
    1/2 case of corn ditto on the price
    3 cans of veg-all 89 cents a can (can’t remember the for now regular price)
    also bought aluminum foil, Western family taco mix and brown gravy mix.
    Usual 12 pak of toilet paper
    Splenda’s brown sugar mix
    Sun Crystals (a mix of sugar and stevia)
    (I have plenty of regular sugar so am buying up sweetners for my son. Got to prep for that long term also)
    And two glass pie plates $1.99 each because they said made in America.

    At Wally World:
    3 tubes of Colgate toothpaste 98 cents (wished I had of had my wits about me and got more)
    2 Idahoian potato flakes
    2 Hall drops
    1 box of ten pack of powdered milk
    Keep prepping. Keep prepping. Keep prepping.
    Although I tried to stay within my prepping venue I did have to pick up some needful things. Even if I deduct those purchases it still cost me more than it used to. I have yet to figure it out. Because seems that with the sale prices it would be around the same, but it is not.
    Very disgusting.

  4. Happy New Year to all! Good on ya’ MD, for helping mom – she raised you right! Hope the tooth feels better as well –

    Not much prep as in purchasing lots of stores – just hit a store that has used books and for 2 bucks I got one of the best – “The Encyclopeida of Country Living” by Carla Emery – 10th edition – I’m not sure the cover was ever opened it’s that pristine! Also for a buck I got the third edition of “Back to Basics” ….yippy Skippy! total saved approximately
    45 bucks… sometimes it pays to wait…..now off to tune up the Toy for
    some more good years of use…

  5. As Gas is the lowest price it’s been in a while, I rotated out the gasoline and Stabilized it.
    Received my PM orders from Provident Metals (fast shipping after the order is processed).
    Picked up some food supplies for storage (regular and Instant Coffee & DH Hash Brown Potatoes).
    Took advantage of some local sales (Betty Crocker 4 serving packs of instant potatoes @ $.49 ea (40 fit in a 4 gal square bucket); 25- 1 lb packages of spagetti (what will fit in the 4 gal buckets); 16 packages of Bear Creek Soup Mix (18 fit in a 4 gal bucket); and found Sunkist Tuna w/lemon in the Albertson’s markdown bin (must not be a good seller because they weren’t even close to the ‘sell by’ date) for $.40/can.
    Added 4-1 lb cans of propane to our stocks and picked up a 3 pack of Neosporin.

    All in all a pretty good week for us; all the sick people got better! Hope someone finds out what’s up w/ Lint.

    • SaratogaPrepper says:

      JP in MT
      Just received my second order from Provident. A larger order than my first “test” order. Everything came as advertized and very quickly. Not a huge order, just trying to make 3 $20 face value bags of junk silver for our GHB’s.

      • Thanks SP for mentioning Provedent earlier. I just got my test order today. It’s the first silver I’ve purchased and everything can as promised. I’ll be doing another order in a few weeks.

    • Harold Dean says:

      A word of caution that MD should post in bold letters is concerning the 20 lb propane tanks. Around my part of the country, 20 lb tanks in sight either being bought, seen during transport or sitting in view will bring a visit in the middle of the night from the drug task force. They are the first tip off around here to a meth lab. If you must stock them, if you don’t already have one, buy an outside barbecue grill even if it doesn’t work to provide an alibi for having them. After I came under scrutiny when the neighbor was busted for having a meth lab in his bathroom, I was able to explain my having them because I had a kitchen range I used for hot projects, (curing oven, etc) in the garage and had the outside wall rack that holds two of them that were padlocked securely (only thing I think that saved me) and one of the loose ones inside the garage had the Mr. Buddy heater still attached to it because I had forgotten to take it off after it had cooled down. I think I explained things satisfactorily but I still see the undercover?? car in the neighborhood parked where they think they are inconspicuous using binoculars to scan the neighborhood. As a consequence, I have stopped storing prep items on my property and am looking at the age of 73 for a rural property again. As an ex cop, I was able to get from them a list of the things that make them suspicious and the fact that I am the last house on a dead end street with access blocked by a railroad, I have a patch of woods on my property between me and the railroad, my property is heavily wooded making satellite observation difficult, and a number of other things that brings me under the radar for suspicion. At least I am not on the suspected terrorist list from them and I hope not from the Feds. It is hell to be in that category simply because a neighbor was an idiot. They wanted to know why I was not using natural gas in the garage since I have it at the house. I told them that the infrequent usage of the oven out there did not justify a 5k expense of running a line from the house to the garage. Just keep your eyes open when you stockpile these things cause in certain areas, they will definitely bring you under suspicion.

      • Harold Dean,

        It is sad that we have to worry about such things – having to explain to the fuz why you have propane tanks. Last time I checked propane was legal in most parts of the country. Free country – where?

        • axelsteve says:

          If you have more than 5 lbs of propane…. You may be a terrorist !!According to the flying monkeys.

          • Axelsteve,

            Now you know that we live in a free county, where we are free do what we want without having to get permission from the government in the form of permits, fees and licensing. As long as you’re not hurting anyone with what you are doing you’re fine. Right… Sarcasm off…

        • Harold Dean says:

          East Central Illinois. Meth Labs are profligate here since they can nab a anhydrous ammonia tank on wheels from the farmers during planting season and it is, they tell me, a prime ingredient in meth making. Never looked into the chemistry of it so I am a dumb ass when it comes to that. Stuff the army taught me to make many years ago, C4 improvisation, etc are also illegal but that was the only part of chemistry that stuck with me. It is indeed a shame that something as simple as that is misused to the extant that anyone who posesses them is automatically guilt or at least under deep suspicion and must explain the reason for having them. The response of mine just like yours is it is not illegal to possess propane tanks was met with the remark that if you are using them to manufacture meth they are. Funny, years ago in CAlifornia one of our mechanics did not have a tool box and he rode a junky old motorcycle. One morning he was late for work and I got a call from the LAPD checking on him. When I arrived, he was sitting on the walk next to his disabled motorcycle and the cop told me they were going to bust him for posessing burglary tools. I explained that he had just gotten discharged form the ARmy, had not been able to afford a toolbox yet and thusly carried his tools around in his field jacket pockets. They were very reluctant to let him go even after that explanation. Never mind, he was not suspected of burglary. When I like a wise ass responded with the remark that I was in posession of tools for rape, they did not find that humorous. They eventually let him go and we loaded his cycle in my truck. I gave him both an old tool box I had at the shop and a roll that wrenches came in from the Army to carry his cycle working tools in. Just a perfect example of how our LEO’s work today.

          • Harold Dean,

            It seems that all of our freedom is being taken away in the name of the “war on drugs” and “the war on terrorism”. It is ironic that the U.S. spent 10 years in Iraq to “protect our freedom” to have it legislated away at home to protect us from the terrorists…

            • Harold Dean says:

              I used to be a LEO in the 70’s and times have changed plenty since then. Now, you are guilty until you prove yourself to be innocent of suspicion and they throw all kinds of roadblocks in your way. They got around to asking what I was curing in the oven and I told them I used it to dehydrate garden vegetables for storage (the simple truth) and he said that when I said I was using it for curing, he thought maybe I was using it to cure tobacco with which he said requires a tax stamp. I countered with the information that taxation was not due on home consumption only on items for sale. He did not know that and had to check with his partner. I told him while we are on the subject, I can also distill whiskey for home consumption or fuel and homebrew beer except for the fact that I do not drink as well as do not use drugs. I said you probably would think I was making meth if I did have a distill and he said he did not know what one looked like. I asked him if he had taken science in High School. He said he had and I told him we had to assemble a distill in High School science and produce a small amount of product which was dyed before distillation and when it became clear was proof that the process was successful. I asked him how much education he had to become a LEO and he said just a high school education. I told him that there were books out there he could read and become more informed on subjects and thus become a better respected and knowledgeable public servant. He has been back a couple of times to report his progress and ask for other suggestions. I hope I may have informed at least one of the younger generation.

    • JP in MT, I have not yet stored spaghetti. Do you store it in Mylar bags inside the buckets? I am still learning and asking quite a bit these days.

      • d2 prep, I store my packets of spaghetti, macaroni etc in their original packaging, then into a mylar bar with O2 absorbers – make sure you see the mylar bags squashed down like a vacuum sealed bag – then pack and seal inside your vermin proof buckets. hope this helps.

        sometimes I vacuum seal the spaghetti in foodsaver bags – then place these into mylar bags + O2 absorbers…while I have this pre-SHTF time – will do all that I can to ensure my food preps are really packed for the long-term. cheers.

      • d2 prep, don’t know what happened to my original response to your question.

        I store my spaghetti in mylar bags + O2 absorbers – be sure to check that the bags have squashed down completely before sealing that vermin proof bucket.

        I also vacuum seal my spaghetti in foodsaver bags – then into mylar bags as described above…if the stored food is all I have access to in the future, then have to do all that I can now, during pre-SHTF time to pack it properly for long term storage. hope that helps…cheers.

  6. Hello All!
    Some really great posts and comments this week! Lots of helpful information to consider and act upon. Thank you M.D. and the Pack!

    Bought more N95 masks at drug store and also ordered more at the EE sale online. Stocked up on hand sanitizer on clearance at Walgreens.

    Reviewed contents of BOB and will be making some changes in the coming week.

    Received an order of food from EE to add to food storage. Bought more shelving on sale for the storage room.

    Found BOGO sale on beauty supply items. This is not something I would normally find useful (although the better half was happy about it) but I did stock up on tweezers and nail clippers. Good for personal use or barter later.

    Spent time outside in the unusually mild weather, worked on wood pile, got the old chicken house prepped for arrival of new chicks in the spring, and measured and planned out spaces for new garden and fruit trees.

    Got a couple more propane tanks and another metal garbage can for mouseproof storage.

    Spent alot of time trying to finish the whole house inventory/ reorganization/cleanup. Took recyclables to town. Moved barter goods to storage. Gathered items to be sold in one room. Still have a little more to do but the end is in sight.

    Received a large order of eneloops that was backordered from amazon and expecting another order soon.

    I have been looking into improving my comms. I am sadly lacking in this area of my preps and would appreciate suggestions from the pack. At present I have only an old old cb radio that is very tempremental and needs to be replaced and a couple of shortwave radios.

    Best wishes to Lint Picker and hopefully we will be hearing from him soon.

    I hope that everyone has a great week ahead!

  7. I went to Walmart this week and stocked up on cold & flu medications, as well as hygiene supplies and paper goods. I also stocked up on some stuff for the pantry: pancake mix, BBQ sauce, jelly, brown sugar.

    We had a blast of cold weather come through. It got down to 19 degrees, a 100 year low for that date. It was cold. My tomatoes died even though I tried covering them. My scallions, celery and pineapple came though the freeze just fine. One of our pipes froze up but did not burst. My dh set it to drip and walked out the next morning to a drip icicle.

    That’s it for me. Christmas break is just about over and the new semester starts Monday. I am happy to get back to work. I dislike disruptions in my schedule.

    Has anyone heard from Lint? I am worried about him.

    • You ARE a fan of pancake mix aren’t you?

      I am too… 🙂

    • Harold Dean says:

      I f your DH is equipped to do plumbing, here is a tip to use for frozen pipes. I had an area where the cold water supply line to the washer ran close to an exterior wall and made a ninety degree bend. It was well insulated and even had aluminum foil and heat tape on it. Even adding a heat lamp did not keep it from freezing in 18 degree and below weather with a west wind. (must have an air leak I have not been able to find). I finally reluctantly took out my copper and from the basement area under the floor to the wall, I replumbed with PEX tubing. Even it it freezes it will not burst. I later installed a cross flow valve behind the washer that when the handle is rotated injects hot water from the hot side into the cold side to thaw the frozen spot. I wanted to put the washer opposite where it is now so the water lines would be on the inside wall but my DW insisted on it’s present location. Amazingly, she does not complain about the problem after I explained why I wanted it where I had originally designed for it to be and her insistance on it’s location was the causative factor in the problem. The PEX tubing will expand enough to prevent bursting when frozen.

      • Rob in Ontario says:

        Harold pex pipe will burst if frozen enough– but yes it will take being frozen much better then copper if possible open up the floor where the pipes are to allow air flow – I am a plumber just so you know

  8. Chonte' in MD says:

    this week was a good prep week for me. ordered and received:
    3 battery powered lanterns
    a pack of 48 AA batteries
    a mess kit for my bug out bag
    a coupon orginizer all from Amazon
    and thanks to my couponing last week i had $50 in extra grocery money just for preps so i went to my local aldi to get the most bang for my buck. i picked up:
    bottled water
    Peanut butter (a few jars for my stock and a jar for my pantry)
    Canned tuna
    canned vegetables
    powdered drink mix
    a case of ramen noodles
    Stay safe Wolf Pack!

  9. No problem on the delay, don’t worry about it family comes first. When my parents started asking me to come around and help with stuff I kind of thought it a hassel, but then realized it was a great way to spend time with them and check in on them. Now that they are both gone I wish all the time I could get one more phone call to “mess” up my day off. Just be thankful for all the time you have left with with family one of the only true free gifts left in this world…

    • MtWoman (N Texas) says:

      George…thank you for this. I am living with and caring for my father, and it is really hard most of the time. He makes a point of being as much of a pain as he can, especially towards me. But I hang in there because in my heart I know what you say is true, and I want to look back on this with gratitude. Thanks for the reminder.

      • MtWoman – I would bet that your father is only a pain towards you because your roles are now reversed – he’s your dad, and has been in the role of taking care of you (when you were younger) and now, he’s dependent on his little girl to take care of him – a hard thing for any older person to accept and if he has some dementia, tougher still. His gruffness probably just covers his anxiety at becoming more dependent and out of countrol of his life. I work in a hospital and we see it there all the time. You are a good daughter to take care of him – you show your love and respect for him each day – and he knows it…be patient with him as he was with you when yoiu were learning all your firsts – smile…

        Sigh – we will all be there one day – we grow up and we grow old – dang it! I hope I can do it with grace – hugs to you.

        George, thank you for the reminder of how precious are elders are – I would give anything to have one more day with my parents to tell them how much I love them, and how grateful I am for my life – and all that they taught me – and how very much they are missed..

        • MtWoman (N Texas) says:

          Thanks GJ. It’s really hard to ‘smile’ sometimes….the weight of the responsibility gets to me. But We do ok, so far. He is getting more and more forgetful and mixes things up and it’s becoming a real challenge. Some decisions need to be made, and it’s gonna fall on me to get that process started, as his other 3 kids only deal with him when it’s “convenient”, even though they all live only 1 1/2 hours away. They are about to get a RUDE awakening!!!!!! They are 1/2 siblings and I didn’t grow up with them, nor do I have any established relationship with them. In fact they constantly work at sabotaging my relationship with my father….an added burden. But I am a strong woman and will deal with it. Thanks for the warm words.

          • Texas Nana says:

            MT Woman. I will be praying for you and your dad.

          • MtWoman, My Dad had a very hard time coping with “letting go” of his control over the situation. He tried as long as he could to put his two cents in even when it made no sense. I believe grannyj hit the nail on the head about your father’s difficulty and it is hard to not only be the one who has to make decisions but sometimes be the bad guy in their eyes. Just hang in there, you are doing what has to be done. And take it from experience, try to find some humor in the day to day.

          • MtWoman, you’re welcome. You are strong – you’ve done well so far and will continue on. If at all possible, get those POA’s, Advance Healthcare directives, and be made executor of his estate. It could save a lot of headaches for you – since the other sibs don’t want to be involved. It’s too bad – the sibs sound like the ones who will be part of the zombie hordes after SHTF!

            Justthat we, the WP, have your back and are here for you. (I can see you now in all your glory giving them the “rude awakening!” Go MtWoman!)

          • I found this conversation very interesting. I am in the process of looking for a home where my parents live. They are in their 70’s and it is time to relocate to be closer to them. Since I am a widow there is no reason not to be a few blocks from them. They don’t like to drive out of town to the doctor and so I will be the go-to-girl for taxi service. My brother lives too far away and his “pampered” wife would not like living in this town. It will be up to me to do it all, but like you said, I am a strong woman and will deal with it.

          • blindshooter says:

            MtWoman, God bless you for sticking by your father. I lost my Dad last Feb after a long slow decline in his health. My home (then) was only a 100yds from his so I spent a lot of time helping him and just sitting with him. In the end he was more and more mean to my Sister who with her family helped him as much or more than I did. I think he resented her staying after him to follow the doctors and home health professionals advice and orders, where I would just show up before I left for work and afterwards to “nudge” him along without trying to get him to remember on his own. Just before he passed away he wrote a long rambling note to my Sister apologizing for the things he said and telling her he loved us all. And coming from him that was something, he never was one for showing affection or love but we all knew he loved us by his actions and the hard work he put in for us all. I only remember him just grabbing and hugging me once the night my first Wife died, that nearly got me as much as the loss of my Wife. He came from people that had to be tough to survive and that’s just the way he was.

            I will pray for you both, and remember, you can only do the best you can so don’t feel like you let anybody down. Mys sister beat herself up because she didn’t think she did enough to help Pops and it seemed I was always there helping. I reminded her she had a whole family of her own to take care of and all I had was a runaway 2nd wife plus I lived right next door and she didn’t.

            Sorry for the long ramble…..

            • axelsteve says:

              Blindshooter. My Dad died from cancer back in 2000. He went from diagnosed to dead in 4 or 5 months.Some people say how tragic that was.I viewed it as a blessing since he went so fast that he did not have a prolonged period of suffering.

            • MtWoman (N Texas) says:

              Thanks Blindshooter. I appreciate the thoughts.

            • blindshooter, your ‘ramble’ brought tears to my eyes…parents do their best, just as we do our best now that we are parents…make the most of every day with your loved ones. cheers.

          • My prayers are with you, your father and family. Hang in there.

      • Your welcome, I was lucky enough to be with both my parents when they died and consider it to be a true gift from God to be able to be by their side when they passed peacefully. I only wish I and everyone else will be able to pass that way. You are and will be truly blessed for everything you do to make it as comfortable and peaceful for your loved ones..

      • Copperhead says:

        I, also, will keep you in my prayers. I do know your feelings, my mother had lived here close to me but wanted to move 1,000 miles away to be close to her ‘golden haired boy’, so she did. I still do all her shopping, bill paying etc and send everything to her. The ‘boy’ lives 22 minutes from her and sees her about every 6 weeks or so! I feel so bad that I can’t do more for her, her health has gone downhill so much that I could not care for her, so nursing home it is. But I still feel like I should be doing more. It is not easy having ailing aging parents, at times. Hang in there…it sounds like you are a really faithful daughter.
        God bless.

        • MtWoman (N Texas) says:

          Copperhead…thank you for sharing that. Very, very similar to my situation. The ‘other kids’ can do no wrong, and he’s friendly with them and glad to see them AND gives them money. And they only visit occasionally. Me he argues with, puts down, won’t let me help, yells at me and is a grump all the time…while I’m cooking for him every day and cleaning, etc. I’m getting through it, but it’s harder lately for some reason. Thanks for your thoughts. I think a time of reckoning for the other kids is coming…….

    • SaratogaPrepper says:

      You are SO right! I’m calling my mom right now.

      • Another thing to consider if you are or think you will be a caregiver for an elderly parent or relative is to get legal matters in order. Get power of attorney set up and medical directive, living wills,DNR etc set up NOW! Do not wait till you need them especially if you suspect you will be dealing with someone with dementia, they have to be in sound state of mind to set them up. I was lucky in that my parents had living trust set up and all the other documents set up. The only problems I had was my dad had one bank acct and his car title not set up or changed in the trusts name, so those two items had to go through probate before we could take care of them. I know death is not something some people like to talk about but it is going to happen to all of us so it is best to get things set up now and not when you are in a different or stressed state of mind.

        • Garden Mom says:

          The other thing to consider is the executor of the will. If a person has one of their children as executor, that child will be very sad at the loss. My sister has had a very difficult time fulfilling her duties because of this.

    • JeffintheWest says:

      Amen George. My parents died within a year of each other (they’d been married since the summer of 1942) and then less than a year later my older brother committed suicide. I’m the only one left now, and I miss them all more than I can say. What I wouldn’t give for just one more visit with them all.

      • Harold Dean says:

        I absolutely, positively refuse to grow old. I might age a little bit from time to time but I am not going to grow old. The way my grandkids act now just imagine how it would be if I were helpless. I plan on moving away from them and aging and dying elsewhere.

  10. Tigerlily says:

    I don’t think I got anything done this week towards prepping. All my money went other directions. I had to buy my textbooks for this semester and even through Amazon buying used, I paid over $200 for just 3 books.

    We broke down and finally ordered kitchen cabinets instead of trying to build them. It was just taking too long and I need a whole kitchen again, so there went another $500 for just 2 cabinets.

    I paid out about $100 for the boy to play basketball between paying the registration, buying shoes, the bag to carry them in, and a shirt to wear under his jersey. I’m just glad I have the money to pay for him to do things like that but it really makes me wonder how many kids never get to participate in school activities because their parents can’t afford it.

    Next up, my laptop officially died. It’s been on its last legs for a few months so luckily I had transferred all my files to an external hard drive already. My husband (IT person, luckily) said that the port where the power cord plugs in on the side is directly soldered to the mother board and that it broke off inside so it gets no power to it. (or something like that. after a few minutes my eyes glaze over and I have no idea what he is talking about anymore) So, anyway, in order for me to be able to get all my school work done I have to buy a new computer so there goes another $800 or so.

    On the plus side, we should have the pantry finished this weekend, so I have plenty of new storage space for our food stores. Now I just need the money to buy some!

    • I feel your pain… Our emergency has taken a beating the past few months covering the costs of repairs and other little issues.

    • Grannytraveler says:

      Next time try renting them. That is what my daughter did thru grad school. She saved a lot of money and the books looked new. They come with containers to mail back and I think the postage was included. Check it out next semester.

      • Tigerlily says:

        I’ve looked at renting them, but the problem for me is I like to keep them to go back through when I get to higher level courses. I have a thing for books so it’s really difficult for me to get rid of any. I will reread the same thing over and over.

        • Tigerlily,

          What is your major? If you are in computer science or nursing, your textbooks become obsolete very quickly.

          • Tigerlily says:

            Right now it is Veterinary Science but I’m actually considering switching to getting my degree as a Licensed Clinical Social Worker. I already work for a mental health clinic so I know I have a job when I graduate that pays well. Not as well as a veterinarian in the long run, but at least I have the security of knowing the job is there immediately. So far I am just taking core classes at the community college, so switching won’t hurt me.

            • Tigerlily,

              If the economy tanks and you have studied vet science, you know that you will have a skill that can be bartered. On the other hand, vet school is more difficult to get into than medical school. If you are interested in the sciences, there’s a new major out–biomedical engineering technology. I think this is where the money will be over the foreseeable future.

      • The cheapest way to get many textbooks today is to buy the digital version directly from the publisher.

    • Harold Dean says:

      You can buy replacement DC jacks for most any laptop made. Most of them have instructions on their websites to disassemble the unit down to the motherboard. The jack is only soldered on with three pins and is not at all difficult to unsolder the old broken one, insert a pointed toothpick to clear the hole while the solder is still molten and solder in the new one. Just make sure the battery is pulled from the computer before you do this and you should be just fine. No need to buy an 800 dollar computer for a 1.50 jack.

      • Tigerlily says:

        I may take the old one to the shop then and see if they can fix it for me. It would sure be nice to be able to spend that money on something else!

    • In answer to your question TigerLily, the kids who can’t afford to play in Ontario can get assistance from a couple of sources – the Boys & Girls Club offers “scholarships” for many of their programs, Canadian Tire has a fantatic program called “JumpStart” which will pay up to $100 every six months for kids to participate in sports, and our local City also has a “sponsorship” program. So there is lots of help if you ask for it.

      • templar knight says:

        Lake Lili, how are you? Some of us were beginning to worry that your cold might possibly have turned into pneumonia since we hadn’t heard from you this week. How did your doctor’s appointment go Monday?

        • Lake Lili says:

          Thanks for being concerned – a nice fuzzy feeling on a snowy day (5-inches and counting since 10am). Dotor says its viral but gave me a script in case I am still hacking in a week. Am getting it filled so I have an emergency dose if needed. But at this point, I am almost back to full strength and Monkey’s cold has gone completely. Thanks again for thinking of us.

          • templar knight says:

            Good to know it wasn’t pneumonia, Lili, and it’s good that Monkey is back to his normal self. Yall take care.

  11. Schatzie Ohio says:

    Bought a nice 4 in 1 jacket system that was on mark down. So far I haven’t seen much in the way of markdown sales of winter clothing.
    Bought more ink cartridges and printed out saved down loaded articles for the binders.

  12. Scanned & made copies of (almost) all important docs to keep in BOBs.

    The hubby & I got our (and our kid’s) BOBs packed. Still have a few things to add to them, but they’re getting a little heavy so we’ll need to prioritize. I’m carrying most of my daughter’s things as well because she is too young to really carry anything with weight, but she’ll still have a little backpack/harness of her own with water at least.
    Went to BJs and got a few things to add to the stockpile: wet ones wipes, hand sanitizer, antibacterial soap, bandaids, some food.

    Found some N95 masks on sale at Walgreens so I grabbed a few of those.

    Got some needed first aid supplies at Walmart…peroxide, neosporin (1 for home, one for car) alcohol wipes. And a few small things for the BOBs like clorox wipes, wet ones, and a small first aid kit.

    Oh, and picked up a few silver bars! Yay!

    Still new to prepping but I’m well on my way & feeling better about it every day!

  13. riverrider says:

    whew! well we made thru another week at least:) good week of preps for a change….received my orders from 2 weeks ago from sg(rubber buckshot, bear spray, ASP, gortex pants, etc.) and 6 oil lanterns from kirkman. picked up 2 AR lowers and assembled them and one upper. ordered parts needed to finish assembly. found a great deal in the shotgun news on 38 special taurus revolvers and ordered 2 for the stash. doubled our trade liquors. picked up n95 masks, thanks op and gayle…started all the vehicles and gens, or tried. tractor and harley wouldn’t fire up until today when it got warmer….all of “my boys” are back from iraq and settling back in. two of them called about long term storage foods and prepping. yay, new converts! i told them come on over and i’ll give them a block of instruction on the finer points:) i’m tickled because i had been working on these guys for years to stock up on the food instead of just ammo. i think them having kids changed their minds more than me. take care pack, stack it high!

    • templar knight says:

      Good job, rr. It’s always good to develope allies, and anytime one can get another person to start prepping is a win-win. One less person who will be out there searching for food and supplies, and one more person who is prepared.

      I’m worried about some of our regulars, as Lynn and Brad(bc truck) haven’t commented in a while, and Lint got hurt on Dec. 30, and we haven’t heard from him since Jan. 1, which is very unusual. I know Brad has a new job, and that might explain his absence, but Lynn usually chimes in at least once a week, and Lint is a daily commenter. Let’s hope all three make a quick post, and many others we miss as well.

      My wife uses the M95 Taurus snubby as her carry pistol, and I have a Titanium/SS Tracker in .357 mag that I carry around the farm. Solid revolvers, but I still prefer the Rugers and Smiths when I can get them. I would like to pick up a good, solid 7.62×51 mm, but I need so many other things worse. One of these days I will, if TDL allows it.

      Oust the Dictator Obama

      • “Oust the Dictator Obama”


      • TK, I too was just thinking that Lynn and BC hadnt posted in a while. I also hope they are ok.

      • riverrider says:

        tk, et al, i went over to lynn’s blog and she’s been posting over there. i guess she’s just taking a break from us:) ….yes i’d rather have ruger too but for 139.00 i couldn’t pass up the taurus. good tacklebox gun with snakeshot in it. i will probly stash one somewhere away from here in case i can’t come back. its looking more like the enemy will come from d.c., not the zombies. the recent killings of cops has given them the ammo they need to get the ban started again. i look for them to sneak it thru like ndaa as “counter terrorism”. my gun shop owner said look for the all out push if he gets re-elected, australian style. of course violent crime went up like 160% overnight there, but they won’t let pesky statistics get in the way…..thought about grabbing a couple ak’s while they are still available, but like you said, i need so much else worse….those two guys were always saying they were “coming to my house”, but finally wized up. unfortunately, i kinda need them to come. i’m laying in extra basics for late arrivals. instead of turning them away i’ll hand them a gun and point them outwards:) take care, amigo.

        • rr, what is “snakeshot”? Thanks.

          • Lane, snake shot is a pistol cartridge that instead of a solid projectile it has a load of #8 or #9 bird shot load. It is marketed for killing snakes or other small game at close range without having to use a shotgun.

    • Tinfoil Hat says:

      Congrats on the Taurus. Rapidly becoming my favorite manufactuer. Reasonable pricing, sturdy product, and 100% lifetimewarranty that follows the gun regardless of who or how many have owned it. Plus they just make a really fine firearm….

      • Tinfoil, Taurus makes some good firearms. The company took over the Beretta production for military and LE and used the same equipment to produce them. I owned a M44 back in the day for pig hunting and many friends bought the Taurus version of the M9/92F Beretta when we deployed to the gulf to have a pistol on them.

    • River, great preps, I have a few ASPs but they are a controlled impact device here in California where you have to be LE or a security guard card and training permit. Possession by all others is a felony.
      How about the AR platforms? I’m still debating on a 3rd platform for the 24″ barrel.

      Those who have been to Iraq, Afghan and other 3rd world nations see the benifits of prepping, you just have to remind them there is more to prepping than guns and ammo lol.

      • riverrider says:

        j, i ordered a 20″ hbar for one and a 16″m4 for the other. the hbar is backordered, of course:( i like the 24″ but have no use for it where i live due to terrain, and i’m not a good-enough shooter to get the full use of it. …..yeah, i was always a survivalist, but bosnia made me a prepper. never allow yourself to become a refugee, ever. stack it high!

        • River, I finally got to break in my M4 and G21 yesterday and loved it. I have ARMS flip up sights and zeroed it in for 100 yards, the AR 20″ upper I zeroed the irons sights at 200 as well as its handle mounted scope at 200 yards (4x scope the old military style copy) and the scoped 24″ at 300 yards (that’s the limit of the rifle range.)

          I was tack driving with the 24″ but got looks from people as I switched uppers, people aren’t used to a 3″ hole in a target from shooting at the same area on a target at 200 or 300 yards, too much time between line breaks
          Helped someone zero in their AR platform and Savage 338 Lapua at 300 yards, I was rewarded with 20 rounds of the same match grade 223 I use, there are good people in Ca with guns, just hard to find since having a nice target rifle gets more attention than an AK47.

    • axelsteve says:

      Riverrider. That is good news about your boys. Sometimes combat and other things makes people think things in a different way. It is good to see it being posative.

  14. mountain lady says:

    I have not been able to get on here very much this week, and did not realize that Lint Picker has not been posting until this morning. I am praying that he is well and will be back with us soon. I do want to add that the weather up here in NORCAL is very nice and he could be out looking for gold, or after he got the word that our legislature passed 400-500 new regulations (laws), and the governor signed them, he head out in search of his new location that he mentioned not too long ago. Just pray for his safe return.

    • Mountain Lady,

      Lint fell on Dec. 29 and hurt his ankle and shoulder–the left side of his body. I suggested that he get some pain killer and he said he couldn’t get to the drug store–that he was house-bound. Nor. Cal. Ray said he emailed one of Lint’s friends but (to my knowledge) hasn’t heard back from Lint’s friend. M.D. and Nor. Cal. Ray both emailed Lint.

      • mountain lady says:

        Gayle: Thanks for the info. I guess my theory of him going off having fun is probably wrong. Hope he is with family and on the mend. I will say prayers for him.

    • axelsteve says:

      p here in n comradfornia is very nice,it was kinda windy today though. I hope lint is just out goofing off somewhere.

  15. charlie (NC) says:

    M.D. I noticed today that the Augason Farms product are available through Sam’s Club. I don’t know if the stores stock the complete line of it is an order only item but they show up on the Sam’s web site.
    I didn’t compare prices and shipping between Augason’s site and Sams.

    • charlie (NC),


    • I think we talked about this a few weeks ago. Someone was going to check if Sams had free to-the-store shipping for Augason Farm stuff. Is anyone going to Sams this week? If so, please check if you can get free delivery for store pickup.

    • Vienna (Soggy Prepper) says:

      Augason Farms thru Sam’s Club is a lot cheaper. They don’t have everything the site itself has. But the price is a lot cheaper. Altho if you do buy from Sam’s you have to be a member (no biggie) or pay a charge which may make up the difference in cost. But Sam’s was cheaper.

      • My local Wal-Mart carries a whole aisle of Augason Farms. They have fruits, veggies, breakfasts, dinners, grains, and baking items.

        • Gretchen,

          What part of the country do you live in? I wish my local Walmart had a whole isle of Augason Farms. That would be great.

          • I live in the great Pacific Northwest. I noticed another Wal-Mart in our area is starting to carry them too, just not as much.

          • CherylFirebride says:

            I live in Eastern Washington, and all of our Wal*marts have them, and our Winco stores as well.

    • robert in mid michigan says:

      they are a lot cheaper at sams than if you went to augesons. shipping hurts more but still a better deal. reason i got my sams membership. well that and toilet paper.

    • SC Redneck says:

      The Sams Club near me stocks the Augason’s 1 month pack.
      Price on web site is $225 plus shipping. The price at Sam’s was $150 pus 2% tax` in SC.
      I picked up 1 pack and want to get several more.

  16. i had not much time for prepping this week. i’m using the excuse as a “everyone is sick this week except me” reason. d.h. had several asthma attacks this week. my 21 year old cat “babye” had a bad respiratory infection and one of my dogs “little girl” also had a respiratory infection and both ended up in the hospital. d.h. was already at the hospital when he got sick. so the only prepping i accomplished was to buy an extra month of cat, dog, bird and deer food.
    i almost forgot d.h. ordered me an extra mop and broom. (i hope he doesn’t think that it’s my birthday present). i quess i shouldn’t complain, that year i got a #@$&# WRENCH set!
    hope everyone has a great week.

    • Pam S.,

      I hope your household gets better soon.

      • thanks gayle. the doctor took the iv out of babye today. i told the doc. that i might as well rent out a room in the back of his office, it’s become my home away from home. he is really good though, he’ll make a house visit when he can and won’t charge.

    • templar knight says:

      pam s,

      I’m saying a little prayer right now for your DH and your cat. That cat had more than 9 lives. As for the mop and broom, my wife points them out to me 20r 3 times a week. Not that it does any good. LOL. Hope you get back to normal pretty quick.

      • templar, i guess my age is catching up with me, i’ve “forgotten” where i put the new mop and broom. hopefully my amnesia will continue for awhile.

    • axelsteve says:

      Pam s I hope things clear up soon.

    • Oh Pam. I’m so sorry! Sending you many healing blessings for everyone.
      My DH is the WORST gift giver on the planet. No kidding. I love his bones anyway. I put pictures of things I like or want on the frig starting about a month before a bday or Christmas. He still can’t get it. Our kids make sure he doesn’t end up in the doghouse these days.
      Happy Birthday.

      • mama j-hope things are well with you. i need to take your advice about putting ideas on the frig.

      • Mama J.,

        That’s fully. I give my dh a list with name of the item, description of the item and the name of the store. Sometimes I just order it on amazon.com. But this year he surprised me with a set of Ginsu knives for Christmas. (He called my mom for advise.) LOL

    • Hope the family gets to feeling better soon. How is Blackie doing?

      • tg-blackie is doing great!. her hair is growing back on her chest, but her chest outline has skunken in. (does that make sense)? i probably didn’t explain it correctly. take care.

    • Happy Birthday…and so proud to see how strong and resilient you are while things are falling down all around you…hang in there, those pets of yours need you…still laughing about your wrench set…great sense of humour…how’s blackie going…cheers.

      • hey chloe, how’s it going with you? hope you had a good week.

        • pam s, yes thank you…had some friends invite me over for a new year celebration party middle of last week…had a wonderful time…bunch of friends I have known since grade one…now, remember – take some time out yourself…cheers.

    • Pam,
      Deer food? Im sorry. That just made me giggle out loud and I choked on my coffee!
      The Mule Deer here are like destructive rats. They ruin everything. They even raked their antlers on my greenhouse and destroyed a section of it. We are putting up a wildlife fence around 5 acres at great expense.
      The game warden gave me some rubber bullets for a particular crazed buck (ya, you know who you are, jerk). That charged me getting the mail one day.
      We put out a huge fall display of hay bales, pumpkins, corn stalks, and scarecrows for our farm sales. My husband was pulling in and his headlights shined on the same buck with a big pumpkin stuck on his antler. He was bucking and jabbing so the pumpkin was getting more jammed. He ran through the cornfield, and we didn’t see him again.
      Something else I just remembered that might cheer you up. I overheard my hubby talking to someone about buying diamonds for his wife. My hubby said that he knew I would like a new gun instead of diamonds. (I was surprised he noticed). When the other man asked wasn’t he nervous that I would shoot him with said firearm. He replied. ” My wife knows the quickest way to a mans heart, is right through his chest. She wouldn’t waste the ammo, if I did something THAT bad.”

      • mama j- i think i’m going to open up a truckstop around here for just animals. i got started feeding the deer down at the pond when we moved here. there are five regulars and several hanger-ons. two have been here from the beginning and both are crippled. i go through about 150 pounds of corn a week. i can see that they can be destructive. they gotten into the garden a lot even with the electric fence. and you did cheer me up with your gun story. i think the worse gift d.h. ever got me was for our first anniversary . he bought me a pair of “elf” bedroom slippers. they had a pointed toe with a bell on it. his reason for the gift was he didn’t want me sneaking up behind him. hope you have a good week.

      • mama j, I just love hearing about the lives you guys all have on your side of the pond…

        all the talk of bear claw marks on trees, and deer charging people – I just can’t stop laughing as I scroll down the posts.

        glad to hear am not the only one choking and screaming with laughter at some of the posts…

        now that I am able to sort out who is who, and where, and all the different personalities – I am getting distracted from my work, and keep checking in on the latest posts…

        • templar knight says:

          chloe, we like to hear how you live and do things down under, too. And all our friends from the other side of the Atlantic as well. I wish some of them would chime in. Regards.

          • templar knight – my post disappeared after I clicked on ‘submit’ – 2nd attempt…

            thank you, you are too kind…sometimes I ramble on..but the lifestyle you guys describe is amazing…

            if there is anything in particular you are interested in hearing about…from my perspective (and for aussies in general) let me know…

            this is like having heaps of pen pals – albeit in the public domain, and we can check in whenever we want…this is a fun way to have an insight into the American psyche and way of life…cheers.

            • templar knight says:

              chloe, most people who live in other countries really don’t know the average person in the US. The Hollywood/NYC crowd so control the media and spread the sterotypes that few people around the world really know us. Only the caricature that is spread through the media. It’s really a shame. But on forums like this, we can get to know each other by interacting through our conversations, ideas, advice, cares and vision. Pretty great this internet is. I’m afraid the powers-that-be don’t appreciate the loss of their influence, and will act sooner or later. For now, let’s thank MD for his blog, keep planning for the uncertain future, and love and respect each other through our contact on this blog. I know I feel like I have sisters and brothers from another mother on this blog. Kinda neat, isn’t it?

            • templar knight…no reply button at the end of your post…

              you are so right – the american people that are sometimes portrayed in the media do not represent the majority of american citizens…same everywhere I’m surmising…cannot generalise –

              anyone with half a brain will work that out though…just like I hope you don’t see all of us as crocodile dundee…or catching crocs…we go to the supermarket same as you guys.

              and you are right – SOPA laws coming – internet censoring – and will no doubt have to give out ID or the like to be able to log on…more controls…

              and yes it is wonderful to see that deep down, we are all just ordinary peaceful and upright individuals.

              you made me smile regarding brothers/sisters from another mother…sadly, few remember that we really are more similar than dissimilar –

              I can not tell you how many times I have burst out laughing while reading some posts…and am usually laughing and happy anyway – and when I see some of the comments – it just cracks me up…and all the input – wonderful –

              however, am vigilant and prepping like crazy – even though have other things to do as well…and I see others here doing the same…we balance our responsibilities.

              I really needed to find like-minded people to share prep journey with. catch up next time..cheers.

  17. Patriot Farmer says:

    The weather in my area has been very mild so I spent three days at the range re-sighting my rifles.

  18. The Prepper says:

    Has anyone here considered picking up body armor or night vision gear? While I have no idea what will actually unfold when the dollar collapses, I would like to put myself in the best position possible. Thinking about looking for a used PVS-7 / PVS-14 and getting a set of these for me and the wife:


    Even without a collapse the night vision would be useful for identifying nasty predators. The body armor would probably just sit behind the bed gathering dust, and would add a little extra insurance if a SHTF scenario unfolded.

    • riverrider says:

      tp, linked item looks good, but check out bulletproofme.com for more info/vests before you buy. personally, i think armor and nvd’s should be on any preppers list as funds become available, you know, after beans and bullets. i have a set of pvs-5 goggles that i love. the 7’s are nice too. i never liked the 14 except the lightness of it. can’t afford either right now but anytime you can get a capability your enemy doesn’t have, it puts the odds in your favor.

    • Ohio Surveyor says:

      I have body armor and kevlar helmets for the whole family along with nightvision. I use ebay and have had great success and cheep prices ( only buy from 1000+ rated sellers). The body armor we use is the concealed under the shirt type.

      • The Prepper says:

        Ohio Surveyor — which armor did you go with?

        • Ohio Surveyor says:

          We ended up getting a great price on used “second chance” level IIIa body armor I dont believe we spent more than $120 each. It’s great for everyday wear. If you are looking for new light weight easy on armor …..something you can grab in the middle of the night when you hear that “bump”. I would go with this all in one easy to put on armor http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct993.aspx

    • The Prepper, I own a pair of ANPVS7, I used them in the Marines. I would love to own a PVS14 but that’s some bucks, I have the kevlar helmet and can install the mount. Its illegal to have it mounted on a rifle here in Ca but it makes a handy monocular. There are cheaper systems out there. I have a couple Russian Gen III monocular night vision I picked up for less than $200 each that work well.

      As for body armor, assess your risks, Level II is good for every day pistol ammo and shotgun ammo, Level III is good for SMG pistol/ high velocity pistol ammo, 44 mag, buck shot and most knife attacks. I always suggest both a soft and hard plate insert for the sternum. I have a hard plate, then the soft plat over that. In the event you get shot, the soft plate with prevent a ricochet off the steel plate. Level IV will stop most rifle ammo but is expensive.

      Avoid old flack jackets, they are designed for shrapnel, not bullets.

      River, bad memories with the ANPVS 5’s lol those bulky things didn’t work on us half the time so we would leave them behind, it was great getting the ANPVS 7’s.

      • Jarhead 03,
        A quick question. Do NVD’s have to be turned on monthly to stay working or is that just a rumor? Thanks. Cos

        • riverrider says:

          cosmo, negative but it’s a good idea anyway just to be sure they are ready to use. DON’T store for long periods of time with the batts in!!! i repaired them for uncle sugar for years. most problems came from batts that bled down n burst or leaked. when the batts run down they also tend to burn out the intensifier due to prolonged low voltage. thats why they seem to go bad on the shelf.

        • Cosmo, our guys in the armory would inspect them once a month to check and inspect. Like River said, never leave the batteries in there, if they leak, even a cheap $200 pair is still expensive.
          When I would pick mine up from the armory I had a some batteries and would check them out before going into the field. So yeah once a month is good. Most come with a pouch, store some batteries in that in a small bag to prevent leakage.

          • riverrider and Jarhead, Thanks. I looked through a Starlight scope once in 71. Nothing but green fuzz…
            Funds and fear of things to come are suggesting there may be a set of googles in my future this year.
            Jarhead 03, I am HQ’d on the third floor at 13th and Broadway. Are you at Parker Center? Cosmolined

            • riverrider says:

              cos, they have come a looooong way since ’71. you can read by them now in a totally dark room, and have gotten tiny.

            • Cosmo, no I’m not at Parker center, I’m not LE. I’m work about a mile east of Parker center and pass it all the time, that’s why I knew first hand about the Occupy Status, I had to drive by it daily, have friends with LAPD and LASD so I get good info on things from time to time.

              Cosmo, Big5 has sales on Russian night vision all the time. Its not as good as current military but it works. I take one with me camping, never know if its a 400 pound black bear or 200 pound two legged troublemaker lol.

            • cosmolined says:

              Thanks for the replies Gentlemen. I’ll pick up a Russian NVD before I decide on US ones.

          • axelsteve says:

            Jarhead I remember when I was a kid my mom was a r.n. in the i.c.u. unit and they had a portable jumpstart your heart machine that was battery operated. They would change batteries daily if the machine was used or not.

        • cos, how is your niece going…

          • cosmolined says:

            Thank You for asking. She started Chemo 10 days ago.
            LOTS of family came out of the woodwork to help. So far, I am just a bystander/(phonestander).

            • prayers for her treatment to be over soon, with good results…

            • cosmolined says:

              Thank You Cloe…
              Just something that touched me…. her younger sister has had waist length hair for a decade or longer. They BOTH went to “Locks-of -Love” and got hair cuts.(That’s an American group that asks for hair donations to help children feel like normal after their cancer treatment.) They are both good people. I love them.

            • cos, no reply button at end of ‘locks’ post…from someone who has been there…support is very important while going through treatment, and during the follow up recovery…it is a long road. give her my best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery. cheers.

      • The Prepper says:

        Jarhead 03 — any recommendations on light weight easy on armor? I want something that is easy to get on at 3am when I hear a bump in the night, and has some attachment points for my pistol, light and a spare magazine.

        • The Prepper, I have a great Level IIA vest from Second Chance. Great vest, light, not bulky and will stop most pistol calibers, knives that aren’t pointed, thin double or ice picks.
          I bought it at a security/LE store, never shopped on line for it. Vests have a 6 year warranty so I’m leary of buying used although used, is better than none. I have a 10 year old Level IIIA that I’ve done “testing” on lol and still works, just looks beat.

  19. The Prepper says:

    I just finished Joe Nobody’s book Holding their own this week. It is an awesome book, and I highly recommend reading it. The story was so catching I couldn’t set the book down. 🙂

    • The Prepper, I received an email with limited info about “Georgia Prepper’s Network”. Do you know anything about them? I looked at the calender and there were several things that sounded interesting but I don’t know anything about the group. As a single female I’m leary about groups I know nothing about.

      • Cliff in Douglasville says:

        I’ve been a member of the forum for at least a couple of years. There are some good folks there. They do tend to like to get together and that’s not my cup of tea but they have made group runs to the LDS cannery and canned their own stuff and got stuff for other people and they seem, all in all, to be a bunch of good folks. I know they’ve had a couple of camp outs roughing it style too. I post there sometime but not very often. I don’t really want to meet up with a lot of people when I have no way of knowing what they are going to say to someone else about the way I do things.

      • The Prepper says:

        Hey Em! I haven’t heard anything about them, but I would be glad to go to an event with ya. You planning to take any additional classes at the OG this spring? I think we are going to go to the organic grow school in March:


        It looks like they are going to have some awesome sessions there!

        • woodman nc1 says:

          Hi The Prepper, My DW and I have been looking at some of the classes at OG. Have you taken any of them?

          • The Prepper says:

            woodman nc1 — I’ve taken 10 – 12 classes there. They are chocked full of information and dirt cheap. I’m hoping to take their bee keeping class in a few weeks. You live near the garden?

            • woodman nc1 says:

              Hey, The Prepper, We are about 2 hrs. away but try to get to that area as much as possible. It is a dream now, but would love to have some acreage up there some day. That is a good area with good people, been going there for 20 + years, it has gotten pricey. Some of the surrounding areas are still with in reason. We hope to take come classes this summer.

        • Hi Prepper, thanks for the link. I may be heading to NC for the conference. There are a lot of the classes I w0uld like to attend. I’ve also looked at the classes at OG. I’ve signed up for the overview on water and the overview of herbal medicines. I want to take several of the classes but I haven’t decided yet. I’m looking at the ones on chickens and the ones on beekeeping. I also like the herbal medicine classes. If I had the time and money I’d take most of the classes.

      • Em, I have been on their site a little bit, when I posted I immediately got all these messages to meet up. Being female and DH not really being on board at the time, I was very hesitant to go along with meet ups. I just got strange vibes from some of the messages, so I went with my gut instinct and didn’t answer. I have not gotten that feeling from the people here, that is why I post and visit here most of the time.

        • Cliff in Douglasville says:


          Your instincts are good, especially about the Georgia Prepper Network. Each state has a prepper network that is part of the country wide prepper network. There are key people in each division in each state. When they fist came on the scene I joined in and, while you may not have noticed, I do tend to go on and on when I talk. I didn’t like the meet up aspect or the attempts to get me to provide my address and particulars about what I was doing. When I joined the Ham radio sig within that blog I had to give my Ham callsign. I really didn’t think much about it but with my callsign you can go to a site called http://www.qrz.com put in my callsign and you have everything from my name to date of birth, my address and the coordinates of my radio station and a whole lot of other information. With my address you can go to google maps and then see both satellite or overhead pictures of my house or you can see the pictures they have taken as they have driven all over taking pictures of each house and lot. That was a lot of information to give up.
          I check their blog now and then to see what good deals people have found and what the current “in” prepping food is but not much more than that.
          If you were my wife and I was not a prepper or even if I was I would warn you away from that group just on general principals.

          • Hunker-Down says:


            Thanks for exposing all that exposing. Good to know.

          • Glad to know my instincts worked in my favor. I used to be very trusting and thanks to my DH over the years, I have become much more cautious. Thanks for reaffirming that my instincts were right.

        • Thanks everyone, I’m glad I asked. Think I’ll give them a pass, better safe than sorry.

  20. SickSkilz says:

    First off, please tell me that I am not the only one that is a big nerd and refreshed this page over 5 times today waiting for this to pop up.

    Anyway, this week I focused on EDC. I bought a 2008 Quad cab dodge Ram a couple months ago and I now drive it everywhere . This week I picked up a truck box and filled it with everything I could conceivably need to be able to get home.Or at least what I thought of

    Food, 5 Water bottles , Mossberg 500, chain, rope, folded backpack (in case i had to abandon my vehicle and turn it into a bug out bag), bandages, lysol spray, pepper spray, and 5 respirator masks. (I am married with three kids so essentials come in 5s.

    • SickSkilz:
      Only 5 times? I was thinking I had a connectivity problem. Glad to hear it was just regular stuff that was keeping our leader busy. It is a shame that he has to review our entries due to some troll(s) that get excited making rude/foul comments so that someone has to weed them out.

      • JP, that and I noticed a few posts here and there over the past few months that look like people trying to hawk their items for sell? I haven’t had connection problems but have been getting the new topics a day or two after, so I check the home page each day.

        • Jarhead 03:
          I will pass on any information I have about products that experience with, both good and bad, but I won’t hawk my own stuff. I have a internet based business, but I don’t market it to people I can’t meet eye-to-eye, and then I won’t at places like church, etc. That’ not what places like that, or this, are for.

          • JP, I had someone contact me trying to sell me Glock 17/23 holsters but it was a company, not someone I knew. If someone has something I think I would like I am very open to buying something. I don’t own a Glock 19/23 lol.

            • axelsteve says:

              I don`t iether Jarhead 03. My sis inlaw had a 23 compact (I think) When she was a cop.She had it as a backup.Her duty pistol was also a glock.

    • Sick,

      You will need to take the Myers-Briggs Personality Test (free online) to see if you are as much of a geek as most of us. (The overwhelming majority of us tested INTJ–that’s significant because INTJ is the least common personalty type, 2-3 percent of the population.)

      Here’s the link. Report back to us. 🙂


      • SaratogaPrepper says:

        First time I have seen that test. Yup! INTJ, whatever that means.

        Your Type is
        Introverted – 78
        Intuitive – 50
        Thinking – 75
        Judging – 22

        Do I need help? LOL!

        • Saratoga Prepper,

          The personality profile of an INTJ is super interesting. The typical INTJ has several areas of expertise, even as a young child. We are very systematic in our thinking. We are also pragmatic. We absolutely hate incompetence. We tend to focus on truth and not on how what we say will impact other people–we are not the “touchy, feely” types. We are prone to put our foot in our mouths and then insist that we are right, and we usually are right. The problem is that we don’t go about informing people of the truth in the right way. LOL

          Do a search on the internet for INTJ.

          When my dh and I did our pre-marriage counseling, we both took the Myers-Brigs test. It turns out that my dh and I are complete opposites. And that was important information. When I say, “Hey, look, the trash is full” I mean take out the trash. When he says, “Hey, look, the trash is full” he means the trash is full.

          • Hunker-Down says:


            You say “we are not the “touchy, feely” types. We are prone to put our foot in our mouths and then insist that we are right, and we usually are right”.

            I say “I don’t speak politics”.

          • SaratogaPrepper says:

            WOW!! Just looked up INTJ on wiki. They could have replaced my name everywhere “INTJ” appeared. That’s weird!

            From Wikipedia
            “Perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is that INTJs really want people to make sense.”

            Good Luck with that!

            • Saratoga Prepper,

              I have come to accept that non-INTJs do this thing called “emoting”. Emoting is a non-rational means of interacting with one’s perceptions of the world. When people emote, the INTJ (if we want to play nice) should simply nod our heads in acceptance. What they say is neither true nor false.

          • Holy Crap!!!! I just took the test and guess what I scored out as INTJ!!!!! I was always told that I could argue with a stump and when I think I am right(and I usually am) I will!! Sure does explain a lot of why I am like I am!! Guess I have found somewhere to fit in..

            • Hunker-Down says:


              That stump arguing trait will temper itself with age. I never met a stump that didn’t have a bad and ignorant attitude.
              In order to fend off depression towards our government, this INTJ will engage in non verbal arguing with the stumps in congress, otherwise known as yelling (non verbal) at the TV.

            • cosmolined says:

              We have also been known to toss a TV once…LAM

          • Interesting, it said I am ISFJ. I took this test when I was younger and I think I was different then. I will have to see if I can find out what I was back then.

            • Reading the interpretation from the Kiersey site about the test, it says I am a Guardian Protector. But the comment that caught my attention: ” To save, to put something aside against an unpredictable future, to prepare for emergencies-these are actions near and dear to the Protector’s heart.” Wow. Make sure you read the interpretation of your score. It is an eye opener. Thanks Gayle for reminding us about this test.

            • Nuttbush,

              It’s even more interesting to have those close to you take the test and to read the interpretations of their scores.

            • Copperhead says:

              Join the ISFJ group! That’s what I tested out as, too. Unfortunately, as Gayle says, I can be touchy-feely…to my detriment sometimes. Maybe that’s why I became a nurse/caregiver.

            • Copperhead,

              I don’t have enough tact to be a nurse. LOL. I could just see me trying to interact with a patient who has just been informed that he has cancer. I would probably rattle off endless statistics, and then be truly puzzled why the guy didn’t want to learn about his disease. (I have gotten somewhat better with age. From a very young age my mother tried to get me to pause before saying something and ask “Is this a nice thing to say?” I tend to ask my self, “Is this true?”

            • Copperhead, glad to know I am not the only one who is “touchy – feely”. And I guess that is why I went into the dental field. I guess you could say I was a caregiver, don’t want to say more, you know, OPSEC.

        • INTJ
          Strength of the preferences %
          Introverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
          33 38 62 33

          You are:
          moderately expressed introvert
          moderately expressed intuitive personality
          distinctively expressed thinking personality
          moderately expressed judging personality

      • SickSkilz says:


        hah, either the test is rigged or there is definitely a connection between being a prepper and being an INTJ type (which yes, it said I am)

        I am inclined to think that there is a predisposition for INTJ people to be more likely to be preppers.

        • Sick,

          I think you are right. We are able to “see the big picture” and do a threat assessment. We are also very pragmatic and independent. I think what drives many of us to prep is that we don’t want to be dependent on someone else or on the government for our well being or our survival.

        • I’m actually an ISTP. Of course, I don’t mesh as well with the prepping crowd as I do with some of the parallel groups; homesteaders, cludgers, and the once-a-month cookers.

          The more practical-minded crafters are going to be useful after the dust settles and the definition of civilization is that we’re digging up scraps for easier ways to keep life going instead of scavenging for the basics.

      • Gayle, first time for taking it even though its been brought up over the last year many times lol. INTJ as well, didn’t write down the scores.

        Gayle, let me know how the tips on shooting help any next time you go out.

        • Thanks, Jarhead. I am planning a trip to the range on Thursday. I get to break in my new Glock 9 mm.

        • I too had read about it yet never tested till now;
          Your Type is
          Introverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
          Strength of the preferences %
          89 88 38 22
          Guess it runs in the family, er, ah that is the pack.

        • Jarhead,

          I just went back to last week’s WDYDTPTW and found your shooting tips. The instructor that taught the pistol class I took said it would hurt the gun to fire it without ammo in it. So I haven’t even played around with my new Glock. But I will now.

          I learned a lot from my first trip to the range. I was jerking when pulling the trigger and not at all comfortable with a gun in my hand. And I was leaning back trying to get away from the gun.

          I think dry firing the gun will help me get comfortable.

          Okay, so here’s what I took away from your tips. Breath normally. Exhale. Hold breath for a slight pause and gently pull the trigger (no jerking). The instructor had to teach me sight alignment. I am going to take just a dap of whiteout and put it on the front sight so I can see the target.

          I feel like I am learning so much already! I appreciate your taking the time to write up those tips!

          • Gayle,

            There are mixed opinions but I would not recommend dry firing a Glock. When you fry fire, the firing pin hits the breach face unimpeded and can cause wear over time. I have a 19 and just got a pack of snap caps ($10 at cheaper than dirt) . I don’t get to the range often and just load practice in my basement
            1) drop mag, clear chamber, remove slide
            2) Reassemble
            3) load 5 snap caps with speed loader,
            4) Fire each (ejecting each as if it were a bad round)
            5) eject mag
            6) go to #3

            I do this 4 times for 20 shots. Gets you good at clearing bad rounds and loading quickly. As well as aim and fire.

          • Gayle, if you don’t want to dry fire the pistol, go on line or the local gun shop and ask for snap caps,(forgot the actual name) but they are dummy non firing rounds that are the same size as a real bullet and great for dry fire and reloading failure drills.

          • Jarhead & Sick,

            Thanks for the comments. My dh recommended against dry firing. When I go to the range I am going to pick up some pink bullets (snap caps). That way I can practice at home.

      • Gayle-
        I just took it and I am INFJ – DH is INTJ. Good thing one of us has the T (thinking) and doesn’t base all decisions on F (feelings). Thanks for all you posts – I look forward to them!

      • texasmomma says:

        INTJ here…weird

      • robert in mid michigan says:

        intj- does this mean i am not socially acceptable? i know i dont always play well with others, and that i have a very bad habbit of telling people exactly what i think. i always thought it was because my father and grand father were usmc drill instructors. they planned out my life when i was born father is still pissed i never made it to the presidential drill team that was his dream for me. joined the army way back when to piss him off. just a note it did.

        • Robert,

          No, the INTJ means you fit in with society only insofar as you find society acceptable. The INTJ finds little use for societal custom. The INTJ will follow custom if doing so happens to accord with their private image of how the world should be but the INTJ will not follow convention just to follow convention–the convention is got to make sense.

        • Robert its ok, I joined the Marines to ps my grandparents from my moms side, they wanted me to go to the Air Force Academy and was working it when they found out I joined and went infantry like my dads side of the family (Army horse cav, infantry and a couple Marines) they disowned me. Never regretted it.

          You wouldn’t have likes the Silent Drill Team, its too dog and pony to the average Marine and most grunts.

          • Robert, service to our country in Any branch warrants admiration from folks with a clue. Thanks! (I am 2nd Gen Army Airborne. ) Pleased to meet you! Cosmo

        • Here’s an interesting take on the personality profile–sort of a mix of Jungean psychology and Star Wars. LOL


      • At last I “get” the test thing .. and, yes, I’m also an INTJ. (Will this be reported to TPTB?)

        • bmerry,

          The test gives you so much information. It is so important to realize that you (the INTJ) process information completely differently than someone with another personality type. This is where we get into trouble–we assume that others have the same information we have and (assuming they are rational) cannot understand why they arrive at a conclusion different from our own, since the conclusion we draw is based on logic. We get in trouble because we expect people to think and the vast majority of people do not arrive at conclusions or decisions by a rational thought process.

      • riverrider says:

        gayle, so i can assume that only 2-3 percent of the population will survive? cool! i hate crowds anyway:) “test, i don’t need no stinking test.”lol.

        • RR,

          No, the percentage of survivors would be higher. INTJs are extremely loyal. Even though only 2-3 percent of the world’s population is INTJ, we will prep to keep our family alive and well.

          • riverrider says:

            gayle, so true. as much as i’d like to slam the door in their sheeple faces, i’ll just take them in. and put them to work:)

        • River, that would make the road trips less congested lol.

      • My type came us as ISTJ. Interesting. About 70% of the description fit me. However, many of the questions on the test I would have answered as “maybe”.

        My husband came up as ENFP. Apparently, according to a couple of sites, we are the least compatible relationship wise. LOL… we’ve been together for 6 years, will be married for 5 in April.

      • Cliff in Douglasville says:

        I took the test and scored the same way that I’ve scored each time I took it. I am INFJ. When I pull up the description it calls me a protector which I feel I am and also says that a I base a lot of my decisions on intuition and am consistently happy with the results. I’ve always been a intuitive type person and have often known about the family being in trouble without knowing why I know it or how but a call to home usually proves my feelings right. I think they called the INFJ as something that only shows up in 1% of the population. Don’t know about that since I never run into anyone else that really feels like my twin.
        It takes all kinds of personality types to work together and to mesh together well. I firmly believe, with the group that is now on MD’s blog, that if we met, we could thrive as a community, defend what was ours, have a set of rules to live by (natural rules not man made laws that make no sense) and would have the best of the Hippie commune concept without the negatives of free love and drugs. While I know in my logical mind that we will never come together as a group, I can almost see the places where everyone would fall and the jobs they would naturally walk in and take. Who would lead, who would follow, who would teach and nurture, who would defend, who would raise crops, who would be a hunger gatherer, who would plan the dwellings and direct the work. Everyone falls in to one of those slots nicely. Must be more than just happenstance that we have all come together to share our ideas.

        • Cliff,

          That’s so funny–daydreaming about what we would all be in the Wolf Pack Republic. Care to elaborate on where you see everyone? HeeHeeHee.

        • Rockchalk says:

          I took the test and came up ISTJ and hubby was INTJ. Interesting. I found the the description matched me pretty well!

        • conmaze (nofla) says:


          I am INFJ also. We are the rarist of them all! I have always been intuitive and find that now that I am older I can read people’s intentions quite quickly, which I hope will work well for me when the shtf. I will hopefully be able to very quickly tell who I can trust. I often find myself listening to people tell stories of events or while reading books or watching movies and following the logic and sequences, as though that’s always my challenge, and I often catch things that don’t add up. I find myself in a constant state of evaluating, monitoring for truth. Inconsistency is an internal warning to me not to trust what I’m hearing/seeing/reading and to either start asking questions or just quietly walk away. I Googled INFJ and read several articles with descriptions. Wikipedia is a good one. Truly amazing how the descriptions match who I really am. INFJ’s have all of the traits as the INTJ’s, but we also have the intuition thing going for us. I always called myself a black sheep without really knowing why I felt that way. Now I know! Thanks for the post, Gayle!

          • conmaze, I always know who the baddie is in the movie – within a few minutes into the movie, as soon as I see the actor – I just know it – and when it is confirmed I tend to lose interest in the movie.

            This happens all the time…and my DD can’t stand it, and so I don’t shout it out anymore, just tense up immediately, to stop myself yelling it out – and she goes ‘MUM!!!’. And I go ‘what, I didn’t say anything’.

            your post describes me pretty well…and this does help us right now, not just when SHTF…that is 4 of us so far.

            • Chloe,

              I do the same thing. I always figure out what’s going to happen and tell my dh. Then he spends an hour and a half watching the movie to see if it turns out like I predicted.

            • Gayle, no reply button at end of your post…will use this space…
              AH HA!! – you may just be a little bit INFJ after all…a touchy feeling mastermind…

              Yes, intuition is a very good thing…cheers.

            • Chloe,

              I have learned to develop my “F” by watching my husband. He is an ESFP. I have made grate progress. Now I am not so emotionally retarded.

        • cliff, we are the same type…knew there was a connection…and yes, rare – and we definately recognised each other – sensed it.

          My intuition is very strong – most times know who is calling me on the phone…and much more.

          Your first paragraph describes me, and is identical to what I would have written…uncanny.

          So far only Donna, you and I are the same type…amazing.

          • Cliff in Douglasville says:


            One of the bad things about being intuitive is that you are also empathic to the people around you and pick up on their emotions and feelings really quick. Their emotions affect you, and if you’ve ever noticed, when you walk in to a room and some one is really down and out and feeling gloomy that you start to feel that way to. Same if someone is mad and seething, I can’t understand why but I start taking a defensive posture and sizing up all the people.
            I have always made most of my decisions based in intuition and it has served me well. Some times I take a second to look at what I’m doing but don’t second guess myself for being the protector because I am very free with what I have. I have given away several rifles or pistols with ammo to friends who lament they don’t have anything to go hunting with or have anything at home to protect the brood. Or worse when they have had to sell off a gun or guns to pay the bills. I normally just get up, go down to the gun safes and immediately pick out what I think they need. The get it all, with ammo, free with no strings attached and are often shocked. I don’t question my decisions and have felt better knowing that they are now more in control of their lives. It’s the same with knives, lanterns, flashlights (yes Lint, I have a flashlight fetish but no pink ones) or anything else I have in reserve. As long as their is enough for my family and the extended families that will show up then I am happy to share and give what I can.
            Some people look at me strange when I do that and keep waiting for the other shoe to drop or the string to appear. It doesn’t, they go away with their prize and it’s never mentioned again. I have never regretted those random acts.
            As we talk more and more you will find that a lot of use are more alike than we are comfortable with. We end up exposing a lot of our hidden self to strangers that have somehow gained a massive level of trust without us ever meeting.
            I think it’s a good thing.
            And Gayle, if you are reading this, I won’t tell you what your job would be in the commune but you would be up in the hierarchy along with MD and a few others. I myself would probably be part of the defensive team but would not lead as I will never again lead people in to battle, it’s too hard when you see them fall and lay there in pain to ever to submit to that again.

            • cliff dear, yes, understand completely…was a nurse for 20 years – loved it, and have moved on.

              How I managed so well was by having lots of sports that I was into – I would either swim long distance (4kms) before work, or go to the gym in the afternoon, then onto the dojo…ran with the Hash House Harriers any Monday afternoon if not on duty, jogged whenever I could fit it in, competed in judo on weekends if I had the weekend off to drive to the competitions – rode my 250cc trail bike through the rough bike tracks with a bunch of friends when we could get together…so I was not just working. Had a full life outside of the hospital…to balance the work life.

              Very aware of people’s moods and attitudes – traveled widely, alone most of the time – in some rough parts of Europe – always trusted my intuition, has served me well.

              And I am very generous as well. Won’t go into all the details – I know that you know that it is a lifetime of behaviour, but it is just natural to help out, especially to strangers…it is just normal for me.

              And yes, people are shocked when I give them things with no strings attached. I still have so much, even though I am always giving stuff to strangers.

              (BUT, if someone tries to bulls**t me or cheat me, rip me off, or any other unacceptable behaviour – well cliff, you know what happens then. All I will say is, my behaviour then is not becoming of me, and they get the outcome they deserve.

              The things that keep coming into my life – am so blessed. Understood completely your generous actions in one of your prior posts…

              and cliff, when you have given people/strangers items/assistance – I bet you have just a wonderful feeling – that lasts days – it is just the normal thing to do, I don’t know any different. We are just doing what we are supposed to do.

              Not interested or bothered by what others do or don’t do…if am with a bunch of people, whether in a public place/venue, and someone needs help/food/money or whatever – I just step up and do what needs to be done.

              People in front of me at the checkout – either left their purse at home or not enough to pay for the goods – I just say that I will pay, in a normal voice to the checkout person and customer – they both act stunned…

              And I just feel so wonderful as I am loading my groceries into the car,and while I’m driving home, I give thanks to God for blessing me enough to be able to help out, and for letting me be there at that particular time. (one time it may be me that needs help, but until then…)

              To me that is just the normal way to feel/thing to do. I always feel that I am the one who received a wonderful gift when I have shared/helped/given stuff to others.

              I am the same with animals – can’t drive past an injured bird that someone has hit with their vehicle – have to turn around and wrap it up and drive to the nearest vet. Have to toot my car horn to have the vet assistants come out to the car and gently take the bird inside.

              Same with cockatoos – big bad beak to stay well away from – have to throw a towel over it, and wrap it so its head can’t turn and get me…and I’m usually whimpering with fear in case it bits me on the way back to my car, and quickly get it to the vet – always tell them where I find the animals – so if they survive, they take the birds back to the same area and release them.

              Same with wallabies, if I see that it is a male, will keep driving, but if not, have to stop and check if the joey is still alive – and then phone friends in the nearest town that I am coming into to find out where the nearest vet is. All the wildlife carer’s phone numbers are in my phone.

              cliff you and your actions are important in the big scheme of things…and I know that you know what I am talking about.

              When I have the chance, love to spend my time in my own company – don’t feel alone, and don’t understand my friends who say they are lonely…and now I understand your work environment…it’s no accident.

              amazing coincidence…thanks Gayle for posting that link…

            • cosmolined says:

              Cliff in Douglasville:
              I understand completely. Gave away my “carry” Garand to my best friends son. Three tours as a Ranger in A##ghanistan. He tried reloading and broke his .270. Your other comment about old souls rang me like a bell. It’s a real pleasure to read your words SIR! Thank You. Cos

            • Cliff,

              I was being a little tongue and cheek. But I do find it interesting that we get to know each other so well and yet we have never met and likely will never meet.

      • Love this blog. I just found it yesterday and have read through quite a bit of the articles. So, I decided to take the test. Yep. INTJ Mastermind what ever that is. I find it interesting that many that are preppers on this site have the same personality type.

        • Plan B,

          Yes, especially since only about two percent of the population is INTJ–it’s the least common personality type.

        • Cliff in Douglasville says:


          You took a lot of the words right out of my mouth. I have always felt that when there is a need that you should naturally step up. It has made for additional work at time but it’s satisfying work.

          There are just some things you are supposed to do in life and you don’t look for a reward for them, you just do them because they need to be done.

          We had a lot of people come into my part of Georgia after Hurricane Katrina displaced a lot of people out of New Orleans several years back. We took in a family until they could find a place and I don’t think I ever asked them their last names. They are settled now and we wave as we go by but that’s it, they needed help at the time but not a life long friend to be obligated to.

          In the military our units were always adopting orphanages or schools for the deaf and blind and some how I was always in charge of the fund raising. I have a way of asking people for donations that few turn down. And yes, some times it’s by reminding them of all that they have and how little it takes to make a difference in other peoples lives. That’s the good part of it. I don’t like being up presenting checks or getting hugs and stuff like that, just do my thing and then go off and do something else.

          As for people who try to take advantage or try to pull the wool over my eyes, I recognize it pretty quickly and we don’t do further business. Anyone who intentionally tries to take from the weak is not a good person in my book and if they are drowning I will happily throw them an anvil. I’ve often been compared to an elephant (big, fat, lots of loose skin, big mouth, things like that) but mostly because while I forgive I never forget. I’m happy to wait for the universe to get around to punishing them and if that doesn’t happen soon enough then I have ways to make people very uncomfortable. And even though I’m not a powerful looking person, I have that Master Sergent look and walk that makes people in the malls tend to walk on the other side of the walkways and I’ve never come face to face with someone where they don’t move out of the way. My wife said I look pretty stern and intense but it’s just a defense mechanism, as I found that look was the most effective to get military people up and doing what they needed to be doing as there is no doubt what I mean when I ask someone to do something.

          I do prefer to spend my time alone. I like talking on the phone and writing here but I’m not good in social settings because I’m so influenced by other peoples moods and emotions. My intuition, like yours, leads to some socially awkward moments in that I can feel things from certain people and they are always taken aback when I mention what they are thinking about or invoke the name of someone I don’t know but they do. Some get really uneasy and start to try to put up mental blocks. I don’t read minds so it’s nothing like that, just get a sense of what’s bothering them probably more by body language than anything else but a lot of people feel it’s very intrusive so I have learned not to blurt stuff out too often.

          As for animals, there was a time in my life when I hunted and we always ate what we killed but I haven’t taken an animal life in a whole lot of years. I do love my guns and I shoot a lot but not at anything living, preferring to punch holes in paper or knocking down targets.

          There is a wise old saying, that I can’t bring to mind, that deals with the way old souls meet and act toward each other. The age of your soul has nothing to do with the age of your body, some of us get new souls, some get a soul that has been around for a little while and some of us get the old souls that have been around for a long time. That old soul remembers a lot about the way things are and should be and will not fail you as you go through life. That’s the intuition part and I’ll always take that over just about any other influence.

          • cliff, amazing…we could just keep going on about our similarities…when I first meet some people, I will call them by another name – even though have been introduced to them…and they tell me that is either their father’s/brother’s name etc (and they have issues)…yes – and also have a conversation in my mind – word for word – seconds before I start speaking with some people – their and my exact words – all in the correct sequence to how it would actually take place – used to freak me out when I was young – now, its just normal procedure.

            Our sensitivity is why we are so happy when spending quality time alone – even though like getting together with friends, meeting new people, am always so happy to get home to my place.

            Good to know someone figured us all out and put it in writing for us to exclaim over…

            As an aside, avoided the laptop all day today, as had so much stuff to catch up on…have been logging on at 4pm and off at 1am…too tired at that hour and spelling mistakes all over the post…

            finally had the car fully loaded from purging the c’van and so I drove to ‘plan B’ site -then did some prep shopping on my way back home –

            amazing specials on beef/lamb/steak etc – $3 p/kg for whole chickens (I know, can just hear howls of ‘that is not a bargain’ from all the cooks…)

            tomorrow when I get the receipt out, will list some of the bargains I got…

            going to cook up a storm tomorrow and take it all to a friend whose wife is due in a few months, and the heat is knocking her about – so, they will have dinner cooked for a week – and lunches for their 3 kids all prepared –

            these friends are some of the ones that I will be sharing my supplies with – even though they don’t know it yet.

            Cooking big batches of food at a time in my caravan is good SHTF practice for me.

            till next time…22:00 wed 11 jan’y.

            • Chloe,

              I think people who are dominant intuitive feelers are like dogs. My dog can sense a bad person 50 yards away. Someone can be walking on the sidewalk in front of the house and even if the house is all shut up so he can’t see out the window, my dog can sense if that person is supposed to be in the neighborhood or isn’t suppose to be there.

              The intuitive feelers sense things that people typically don’t pay attention to, although the rest of us can be taught to be aware.

            • Gayle, yes you are right…we have a heightened ability to see and feel things around us that others do not..

              I have had to step right over to the edge of the sidewalk when some people are walking toward me…just do it instinctively…and then when they are passing me I get an uncomfortable feeling through me – and sometimes the feeling is so strong, that after they have passed by me, I have to turn around to make sure I am well away from them…don’t want my back to them if they are close by.

              and about dogs…by DD dogs never bark when I show up – even if I have been away for weeks.

              Yet they have a friend who lives in a house 4 metres from their house – and they bark at him and his car every time he comes home…this has been the norm for years now… yet he and his girlfriend are great friends.

              I pay attention to the dogs all the time…when I found a snake skin (one of many in the past few years here) a few months ago, when my DD came over with the dogs, had the s/skin in my hand and wanted to get it close to the dog to see how she would react, just in case when we/she bugs out, exhibits same behaviour…she knew right away …and now I also know when she behaves that way, there is danger about in the grass.

              Also, someone recently was going to bug-out with her cats…cats have been known to act strangely before natural disasters/earthquakes – and some pet owner’s lives have been saved by paying attention to that behavior…so, strange things happen often. cheers.

            • Chloe,

              I’ve read that dogs are now being used to warn people that they are going to have another heart attack or to warn diabetics who are about to go into shock.

              Western civilization teaches young people to focus on reason and intellectual ability. I believe there are other “senses” that can be developed to help us “intuit” our surroundings.

              It’s like we all have a gut feeling that someone is following us or something bad is going to happen. In Western society, women have been taught to ignore their inner sense. Many rape victims report that they sensed someone was following them, but ignored it. I think it would be fascinating to look into this.

      • Pineslayer says:

        Interesting little test, INJT here.

        I figured I would be a OEEIS ( Opinionated Everyone Else Is Stupid)

        • Harold Dean says:

          Those tests are interesting in how they assess a person. My wife and I both took one a couple of years ago. The outcome according to the psychologists scoring the test was we were totally incompatible and should not even consider a union. What I thought was hilarious is this was just after our 50th anniversary and with 5 children, 16 grandchildren, 7 great grandchildren later. I guess I will have to agree, we certainly are not compatible. We intend on taking it again on our 75th if we live that long.

      • INTJ here too… Quite interesting
        56 75 62 78

      • CherylFirebride says:

        That is interesting that so many on this site are the same thing. I am an ISFJ, so different than many on here, at least the ones reporting.

      • I feel left out. I use to work in the training dept at the CDC and took the test once a year for about 10 years. I always come out as an INTP. I must not be answering the questions right. lol.

      • ok this is weird, I took this test a couple of months back-the last time we were all talking about it and it came out as I was INTJ, so I went ahead and took it again and it came out INFJ. Hmmm, maybe hormone change?

        • TG,

          This happens. Here’s the best way to think about it. “F” and “T” are two ends of a spectrum. When you took the test the first time, you probably showed a slight preference for “T”. Female hormones could certainly account for the fact that you have lost some rationality, as evidenced by the preference for “F”. Don’t be too disappointed, however. There are men who test “F” and they don’t have a hormonal excuse. 🙂

        • that is 5 of us now…and laughing at mention of the ‘hormone change’

        • Have been busy the past couple of days so I havent been able to keep up on the posts but I did do some reading on the INTJ and INFJ. I think the first time I took the test it was some kind of a fluke. After reading up on the INFJ personality type, it fits me perfectly. Everything from the way I treat people, to my intuition and trusting it completely. I dont have a gaggle of friends, just a few carefully chosen people that I allow into my inner sanctuary. I can not stand to be in a large crowd for any length of time, and if I do not have my downtime, I can literally lose myself in other peoples needs instead of being able to care for myself. I can go on and on but I am sure everyone gets the idea.

    • SaratogaPrepper says:

      You are not alone. LOL! It’s become my favorite Saturday morning ritual. I’m sure there are plenty others that feel the same way.

      • Copperhead says:

        Me, too!! Hate it when I have something to do that means I can’t get on here on Saturdays.

        • copperhead, i am so far behind with my bookkeeping – am usually disciplined – but these last few weeks – crazy, can’t seem to stop logging in…don’t know how you do it. spent time on net this morning – when should have been doing my quickbooks -so, around 7pm I fired up the laptop and got started with QB – then somehow was back on this blog again …it is now tuesday 11.30pm on my side of the pond. and am only 1/2 way through the comments….

          • Copperhead says:

            Chloe, I think I have an addiction!! I spend more time reading this blog (and lovin’ every minute of it) than I do anywhere else! It does take me hours to read the comments and sometimes going to bed is much delayed!!
            I am learning so much and also my day is brightened by all the teasing and joking going on.
            M. D. your blog is just great…thank you!!!

    • raising both hands – Nerdette here! look forward to Sat morn

  21. I seem to be in a down swing right now. I managed to sprain my wrist, being down a hand really sucks. Oh well, at least it wasnt my right hand.
    I bought some bananas to try out my new dehydrator but the DH and kids got into them before I could try it out….. note to self: next time, get them into the dehydrator as soon as I get them home.
    I got some more printing done. I also decided I am going to start making a weekly “to-do” list, along with a monthly list. Organization is not my strong point so hopefully this will help me get more done.
    Sending out prayers that Lint is ok and is just on some kind of holiday.

    • tg- i hope your wrist gets better soon. i think we are all hoping we hear from lint, bctruck, lynn and the others soon. i know bc put out a new video several days ago.

  22. This is the third time I’ve tried to post this message.

    Heads Up: Eton solar powered weather radio/phone charger is on sale for $29 at amazon.com


    • SaratogaPrepper says:

      Thanks for the heads up! That was something we have been needing, but couldn’t make up my mind on which model. At that price I couldn’t resist.

      • Saratoga Prepper,

        No problem. I have one already but I wanted a backup, especially since I live in hurricane country.

    • Gayle and SP if you are in the area of a Radio Shack they have the American Red Cross models. I have a few and they work great. I have even left my cell phone in the car with the USB cell phone charger and the radio on the dash on charge mode and it gave it a block although it was there for hours. The hand crank generates one minute use per five minutes cranked. Not bad for emergencies. I’ve had the nephew and nieces crank charge it just for them to have something to do when taking them of their parents hands.

    • Gayle,
      Thanks for the link on the radio. I just ordered it and will compare it to the we already have. My son will get the extra.

    • My Target has some clearance camping items you may want to checkout: decent Kelty camp lantern for $18, assorted backpacks, $8 stainless steel flask.

  23. Vienna (Soggy Prepper) says:

    No preps this week. My stupid back went out, pretty sure it’s the sciatic nerve/lower back. Where the lower back muscle locks up and spasms and walking or sitting is not happening. Stupid. Kids and dh are wonderful but it’s frustrating and I’m crabby. Flat on my back using dd laptop which I don’t like.

    I do hope Lint is okay. Didn’t see that he was taking a “break” from the internet, Hope that’s all he’s doing.

    Hope everyone has a productive week next week and I look forward to reading everyones preps for this week!

  24. Hi Folks

    Boy, do I have lots of back reading to do, back from my almost three week holiday out to Alberta to visit family over the holidays. DH stayed home and worked the farm for me..

    Given that I was gone, I didn’t get alot of prepping done in terms of me going out and buying things but Christmas came, and with it many items I believe would certianly fit the prepper mode. Got to love having a family that gets you.

    So just some of the things I got, 10 inch Cast Iron Fry pan, Pasta making rolling pins, Flannel sheets sets, Cermic Knife set, Broud Fork, Winterize down to min 40 muck boots, 3 Cherry Tree’s, 3 Grape Vines, and a good amount of books, but the one that I am currently reading and can’t wait to try some things out of, is Odd Bits, How to cook the rest of the animal.. Its got recipes for things I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea of being food items raither then wastse parts during the butchering process, but now is a good time to learn how to safely prepare those odd bits into a dish..

    Lambing has started, which means fresh milk in the house and soon, cheese making will start as well, can’t wait for my first batch of fresh sheep feta! yum..

    Wishing you all the best for 2012 and look forward to seeing what everyone has been up to..

    • templar knight says:

      We missed you, and hope you had a great vacation with your family. And Happy New Year.

    • So that is who has been missing from the posts! Farmgal! Glad you are back!

    • Southern Blonde says:


      Welcome back! We have missed reading your amazing posts. Happy New Year.

    • I bought a very old canning book [50’s kerr] in it was an even older very yellowed newspaper clipping, with a recipe for corncob jelly. I guess if times get hard enough we’ll all be eating things not thought of as food in better times.

      • I’ve heard them corn cobs can make for some good TP substitutes but i am stocking up heavy on the TP so I hope I never have to find out..

        • George, My grandmother had a framed box containing a dried corn cob with instructions to break in case of an emergency. A wooden mallet was attached to the outside of the box. This was mounted just above the toilet. As a child in the early 1950’s, I had no idea why she would this in the bathroom but never asked.

          • Marebear, that was funny, I saw one of those as kid at my grandmas. I’m 38 but my dad was 49 when I was born so a slight curve there. Thanks for making my day and bringing back a memory lol.

        • OMG! I would DIE if a corn cob ever got anywhere near my bottom. Why not use tree bark for goodness sake! I can see where a soaked corn husk might work nicely, but I always thought using corn cobs was a joke, but not funny.

          • Mama J, almost choked laughing at your first sentence…actually, reading your whole post has me in stitches…just too funny.

            There is a huge cornfield that I drive past regularly…thank goodness I have plenty of TP…(still laughing…)

        • axelsteve says:

          That stuff is great barter item also.

        • Hunker-Down says:


          Back on the farm (1940-50’s) if you were friendly with a neighbor but his dog was causing problems with your livestock or chickens, there was a ‘cure’. When the dog came on his own to chase the livestock or eat some eggs from the hen-house it was time to get a hard, dried corn cob, dip it in kerosene, and smartly rub it on the dogs behind. The dog will not wait around for a second or third swipe, but the kerosene would stick. He would stay home the next time your friend came to visit.
          The joke is: put one in your outhouse for the in-laws to use.

    • Thanks for the kinds words on missing me 🙂 I missed checking out what you guys were all up to, and I am looking forward to getting back into the swing on the farm.

      Corn cob Jelly is very good, The version I make is very basic, take really fresh sweet corn, cut your kennel’s off, throw your cobs into a big pot, just cover with water and boil them for a good while, strain, reduce.. cool slightly, measure out, and do the typical 3 to 2 for sugar, plus lemon juice or apple cider vinager for acid, bring to boil and jar and hot water bath for 10 for pints.

      would be interested in the recipe from your old cookbook, if you would be willing to share?

      Has a great aunt(friend of Grandma’s) who’s made this as her version of pancake syrup for her family, Want to cut and dry some of the cobs this year and try them in the ecozoom stove to see if they will work for heating..

      As for outhouse use, I would much raither dry, save and use the corn cob husks, then the cobs.. yikes..

    • Farm Girl,
      We butcher most of our own meat and I am not queamish a bit when it comes to killing, guts, or blood. I don’t mind smearing brains on hides.
      But, still can’t stand the thought of eating head cheese, chittlins and some other….. cuse me…I just had to gag alittle, tongue. I had a beef tongue in the freezer and had to make my husband cook it and give it to the dogs. We don’t waste anything, but some parts just…Ewwww!
      I know in SHTF situation I would force myself to clean out intestines, and eat liver, and I would eat tongue if someone else cooked it. But for right now I’ll pass.

      • Hi MamaJ

        I do alot of my own butchering, only the lambs that are sold as farm gate sales, make their way to the provincal butcher so they can be sold, if its for our own personal use, its home butchered, and I have done the brain tanning but I perfer the egg method(Always have lots of eggs at the farm)

        I quite like Head cheese, hearts, livers, gizzard, chicken feet, lambs tail etc, and I have even found out that if you corn the tongue, it’s really good eating, but this book is going to have a few challanges for me.. examples, Chocolate Blood icecream, A dish that uses the rooster combs, how to use and prepare utters, eyeballs, lung etc.. my first recipe’s I have picked are on the touch more mellow side.. Sweet and Sour Lung Soup and Blood Pancakes..

        • Farmgal,
          Let us know how those cool weird recipes come out! I have some old cookbooks that have strange recipes. Pigeon Pie was one I made, but substituted Dove because I have a zillion of those. I can catch them with my hands. It said to pound the birds with a mallet to pulverize the bones. I seriously thought we would all be dead with little bones sticking through our organs, so I skipped that part and just used the breast meat.
          I know blood was used in a lot of foods. I can say that I have not ever experienced starvation, so if I had to I could add lots of hot sauce and eat anything.
          The funny part is. If I didn’t have a family of carnivores to feed, I would rarely eat meat. I am happiest with beans, chesse, greens, and veggies. Go figure!

      • Mama J.,

        I tried eating beef tongue one time. I just couldn’t get over the texture. It was like eating fat. Yuck.

      • I guess I’m gonna starve – I just can’t kill em myself – yet….but I guess I better learn as Iwon’t eat grubs either. I’m a softie – my kids tell me to name my animals things like pork, steak, ribs,bbq, etc…..so I can remember they are food.sigh

        I’ve done the skinning, cleaning, and butchering, but not the killing…..guess I’m not hungry enuff yet…I’ll learn to eat grass..

        • Granny J, dont feel too bad. I cant do it either. I am thankful my husband has the skills, as I would become a vegetarian before I could butcher an animal. My mother jokes that any animal I would buy for food purposes would die of old age.

          • Rockchalk says:

            My husband tells me that my chickens have a social safety net since they’ll never be eaten. I’m not hungry enough yet.

        • I would have no problem killing farm animals, especially roosters. I am so grateful my dog killed that damn rooster. I have renamed him “rooster killer” and call him loudly whenever my animal-rights activist neighbor is outside. I sing that old Queen song, “He’s a killer, a rooster killer . . . ” when she’s outside.

        • grannyj, I can’t bring myself to kill animals either, whenever I go for a swim in a pool at night, I stop and scoop all the beetles out so they don’t drown – before I can get any swimming done…

          yes, I will probably starve once my stored food and gardens are gone…

      • Heh, my opinion of such delicacies as the eyeballs is that I probably couldn’t eat them whole, but probably wouldn’t complain if they were minced and mixed with something.

        Isn’t that the point of sausage? You take all the scraps and bits, grind them up with spices, then turn them into something that doesn’t look like proper animal.

        I want to get some more blood so that I can know whose memory is correct on whether or not I like it. I thought that I did like it, hubby insists that I didn’t. (I’m willing to concede that I was ambivalent enough about the taste that I considered it not worth the money.)

  25. Texas Nana says:

    While we’ve been at the son’s place in Northern Al, we’ve been doing a lot of thrift store shopping. I’m always amazed what people donate to these stores. Our trip is coming to an end, our vehicle is as full going home as it was coming out here, but we’ve saved a lot.
    This week I was able to get a 18 quart electric roaster, I cook &/or bake with this in the summer on the porch, it really saves on the ac bill, by not heating up the house. It’s useful when canning, I can use this to cook large batches of food, turkey, tomatoes, soup mixes, then into the jars the food goes, this gives me a little more room on the store top for my canners, specially in the summer when I’m using my summer kitchen. Purchased more canning jars, 10cents apiece, I found out that a local lady has a deal with a couple of thrift stores, she buys all the canning jars they get, what a sweet deal!! We scored three very good jackets $10 or less for each one, and our DIL got a kerosene lamp, less the chimney for $1.00, that was a steal, a very old lamp in great shape, I purchased a crock to make sauerkraut, for the DIL. We made a great buy was on meat, when I get home I’ll be canning chile, stew meat, and a few small steaks, the price was to good to pass by.
    We are going to hit Aldi before we leave, we don’t buy to much canned foods, but they have some very good buys, to good to pass up.

    MD I want you to know I’m proud of you, speaking from a mom’s point of view, helping your mom should always be number one, keep up the great work you do for your mom and for the wolf pack!!
    Thanks to Charlie (NC) for the heads up on Sam’s selling Augason Foods, I’ll be checking that out.
    Keep the faith & keep prepping!

  26. First of all Happy New Years to the Pack!

    Preps for the week were for my new office I got from my promotion that included two steel 72″x36″x24″ cabinets so one I turned into my admin/prep cabinet.
    2 cases of assorted soups
    1 case of tuna
    1 case of peaches
    1 case of pears
    1 case of water (have two 5 gallon water bottles “for the cooler”)
    2nd GHB
    First Aid kit
    Box of N95 masks

    Hitting the range Monday to break in the M4 and G21.

  27. Well, as I promised myself, I ordered two of the titanium Ember lite stoves with the extra cross grid and carrying cases. Can’t wait for them to arrive!

    Bought 250 rounds of 9mm after shooting about 100 rounds at the range. Hubby taught me to shoot from crouching position which I found more comfortable, more accurate, and makes me a smaller target. Can’t beat improving your odds!

    Put together Heirloom seed order and getting ready to send that off this week.

    300 capsules of Echinacea 400mg
    180 tablets of Glucosamine with Chondin 500/400mg
    250 tablets of Saw Palmetto 540 mg
    265 tablets of Sentry Senior (I hate that word) Vitamins

    all for 36.96, $5.00 of that being shipping but got a $5.00 coupon for next order.

    Not a lot of preps but more than we had. Didn’t see any good food sales this week.

    • C.R.,

      Where do you get Glucosamine-Chondrin for that price? That’s the best price I’ve ever seen.

    • Miss Molly says:

      Hi C.R.,
      I am new to posting on this site. I would like to compliment you on an excellent list of nutritional supplements but I would also like to recommend one other herb for your medicinal preps. Lomatium dissectum. While Echinacea is great immune support, Lomatium is a very potent anti-viral. If you research this plant, it is thought to be what saved one Native American tribe from the Spanish Flu epidemic. It is excellent for the respiratory system. Indians were known to make a suave and apply it to the chest , as well as, using the whole root. I can say that I have used this herb and found that lomatium isolate is the strongest form I have found. You may only be able to purchase through an ND though. I want to have this for the super viruses etc…because pharmaceuticals are over used and the strains continue to change, be changed or mutate . I would like to think that most of these bugs have yet to be exposed to lomatium.
      Good luck and God Bless!

  28. blindshooter says:

    My job is killing me, the company I work for expanded my territory and the machines I picked up are in bad shape. Lots of PO’ed customers as my response time is not good with the extra drive times. I tell myself every day, I got a job, I got a job, I got a job, etc.
    My work vehicle has had some problems, replaced one O2 sensor and part of the wiring for it, so far so good the idiot light has not popped up again. I worked on organizing my tools after the mess I made while moving. We had a little cold snap and I had no plumbing problems so that was a small blessing by itself. Still no replacement for the freezer so this morning I cleaned out the one that’s failing and stuffed what I could in my refrigerator freezer and the rest over at my sisters until I get a replacement. Missed a good sale on beef because I had no place to store it now…..

    Hope Mr Lint and others are OK, I miss his comments.

    Hope everybody has a good week!

    MD, how is the move to your new location going?

    • templar knight says:

      blindshooter, I noticed a few years ago that many companies were putting more and more work on fewer and fewer employees, trying to squeeze more and more productivity out of each one. All of this to the detriment of customer service, thereby creating a self-fulfilling prophesy of more decline in demand by giving poor service. And in the process these same companies shed their very best employees, who tended to be a little older and unable to keep up with the demands. I believe this policy has led to a decline in the US, and I blame it on both Unions and Management. The Unions demanded too much, and companies gave in too easily, all at the expense of the average worker, as overtime and long hours just destroyed incentive as companies wanted to maximize the work-gain from higher-paid employees. The Post Office was a perfect example of this trend, as high-paid employees were expected to do more work, Unions protected the employees, and service went to hell. The American people were the ones to suffer. There are many, many private companies that fell in the same trap. These companies finally just gave up and moved their operations overseas to avoid these problems, and now we have the mess to clean up.

      blindshooter, I hope your job demands ease up a little. It’s rough not being able to do as good as I know you would like because you simply don’t have the time. Good luck.

      And my prayer is that the Owners and Managers of companies, and the heads of Unions, understand that we all are in this together. And stop the blame, games, and political brinksmanship that will ultimately destroy us all.

      That’s my rant for today. Thanks, MD, for giving us this wonderful forum to plan, discuss, cuss, interact and think.

      • blindshooter says:

        Tk, wish I were as articulate as you! I had a long talk with my boss today, he told me in no uncertain words that I need not worry just do the best I could. He knows I can’t do it all and trusts me to make the right decisions with the circumstances as they are. He says he expects some complaints and that he will back me up when the corporate bean counters start throwing numbers at us. I have told this man that if he ever considers leaving for another job he can’t leave without me…..
        When it gets bad, I just keep repeating, I have a job, I have a job.

  29. Not much on preps this week got a friend moving to Europe for work for a few years and he offered to sell me his Sig 229 in 9mm and 1500 rounds of ammo for $400! Thought it was a steal but he made me promise to sell it back to him when and IF he returns. He has real apprehensions of moving out of the country now but not much choice if he wants to stay in his career. Told him you got a deal, but the ammo may be gone. Will put a few hundred rounds thru it this week to see how I like it. Feels good to the hand just need to see how it shoots. So all my prep money for a while went towards another pistol..

    • George, you lucked out there. That’s a great price for the pistol alone and the ammo I don’t blame you if he returns to no ammo and that’s admirable you are willing to sell it back to him.

  30. Tinfoil Hat says:

    I actually feel really guilty because I did basically nothing to prep this week. I wasn’t sick or otherwise engaged. I was just tired and lazy and a little depressed after my Hokies lost ANOTHER bowl game and Congressman Paul didn’t do as well as I’d hoped in Iowa. I’ll have to double up this week to make up for it 🙁

    • riverrider says:

      tfh, your hockeybirds were robbed. i don’t like tech, but even i thought that was messed up! we all have off weeks, or months, but we get over it and prep on. paul is doing really well with young folks, i don’t get it, but i’m glad. he will likey run independent, looks like the romney fix is in. look for gun ban to sneak in from tdl soon. they are waiting for the right headline n it looks like the veteran that killed 5 cops the other day was it. that ought to motivate you:) stack it high.

      • templar knight says:

        Hey, rr, I missed that game. What happened?

        • riverrider says:

          tk, VT receiver caught a pass cleanly in the endzone and the ref on reveiw overturned the touchdown call. even the opposing coach said it was a clean touchdown. the receiver clearly had control, one foot and a knee touched inbounds. the ball was sticking out under his arm and touched the ground when he fell and the ref said the ground assisted the catch. total bs.

    • axelsteve says:

      Tinfoil Hat. Don`t feel guilty. We all need a break from something sometimes.Ever look at the word recreation? Sometimes when I see it i see re creation in that word. Sometimes you need to re create yourself or mindset

  31. Rockchalk says:

    School started this week so I’ve been busy with that but today was beautiful so the hubby and I worked in our garden. We have three raised beds that we cleaned out . We emptied the composter and put the compost in the beds as well as some more garden soil that we bought. We also loaded the composter with some oak leaves and chicken house litter to start our next batch of compost.
    Every time I go to the grocery store now I look for sales to add to our pantry but I haven’t seen much on sale recently. I am shocked at the price of beef right now – when did the prices go up? It’s a good thing we like chicken!
    Thanks for everyone’s submissions, I learn something every time I log on.

  32. templar knight says:

    Thanks to Gayle’s articles on the avian flu, I decided to prepare a dedicated flu kit. That involved me buying or putting together a kit composed of: 2 Finnish Gas Marks, an NBC suit, 20 N95 respirators, 25 surgical masks, latex glooves, hand sanitizer, vitamins, Tang, instant Tea, Sambucol, advil, tylenol, kleenex, and bleach. The kit is in a medium-sized, heavy plastic tote.

    I also bought the book Homeopathic Medicine at Home as recommended by a commenter on Gayle’s Part II post on the flu.

    I ordered 420 rds. of 5.56 x 45 mm ammo, along with picking up an ammo box. I was able to get some tools(set of screwdrivers and set of sockets) at a garage sale, and a wool blanket. I took my daughter to the range to shoot her new Ruger, and I put a few rounds through the Rock River. I burst into a sweat, so I guess Gayle’s got all the cold weather, it’s in the high 60s again today where I’m at.

    Bought oats on sale(even though I don’t like them), tuna, canned chicken, pilot crackers, dried fruit, grits, flour, corn meal, and coffee.

    I also bought a C Crane solar battery charger that is capable of charging D, C, AA, and AAA NiMH batteries. I also bought a few AA batteries, but will have to wait on some others. Expensive little devils.

    Good luck in the New Year, Wolfpack, as TDL seems intent on setting himself up as a dictator in violation of the Constitution. The Congresscritters appear either helpless(Republican), or in collusion(Democrats). The End of the Republic is near.

    Oust the Dictator Obama

    • riverrider says:

      tk, great week, bro. i didn’t know c crane made a charger. i’ll have to look them up n get one…let me get this right. you eat BOILED peanuts but not OATMEAL? thats like something TDL would do:)LOL…..maybe the joint chiefs will take him out for us, enemies within and all. hey, i can dream can’t i? stack it high.

      • templar knight says:

        Hahaha….rr, boiled peanuts have the consistency of cooked beans, and a bit of the taste of salty pintos. I love them. I was forced to eat oats when I was growing up, and I said I wasn’t going to ever eat them if I got away from home. And I haven’t for the most part, although I like those chocolate oatmeal cookies.

        As for the Joint Chiefs, at least the gang in their now, they’re about as bad as TDL, and in cohoots with him if you ask me. The Naval Chief of Staff has ordered the Navy to buy fuel for something like $14 a gallon, just so long as it’s not oil based. That may be one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard of, but Nancy Polosi’s family has a connection in this, so that may explain it. TDL and his allies are in the process of hollowing out the Armed Forces, and giving away whatever advantage we might have in technology(the loss of the stealth drone to Iran and giving Russia our missle info).

        I don’t know where this is headed rr, but it’s looking bleak. The Holder DOJ is making sure that election fraud will be in play by preventing voter ID. And more and more of these DHS quick assualt teams are appearing all over the country. I’m too old to change and too stubborn to give up. My mama taught me not to give up, never give up, never ever give up, and when it looks like you are about to give up, don’t give up. I made up my mind a long time ago to go down fighting the good fight, if you know what I mean.

        Oust the Dictator Obama

        • riverrider says:

          tk, tendashfour. i’m too old to run, too stubborn to bow, fight i will. “ya gotta get mean, i’m talking mad dog mean, cause if you give up you neither win nor live.” all this time i been prepping for zombies, now i have to adapt to a new enemy. i’ve looked at it thoroughly. frankly, i don’t see a winning scenario. they have the technology to see every square inch on earth. no place to hide. insurgents (freedom fighters) rely on a safe haven to rest, prep, resupply, etc…. so my definition of winning must change. winning will be to develope a situation of a target rich environment and expend as much ordnance as possible before they get me. i will have fought the good fight, fulfilled my destiny. it will be a good day to die. and they will remember me for some time. in the meantime i will pray that it doesn’t come to that. sic semper tyrannis.

          • River, you’d make an excellent klingon lol. My favorite phrase today is a good day to die. See you in Sobacore!

            • I think the phrase was stolen from my ancestors who kicked Custer’s butt…. Klingons are fantasy.

            • riverrider says:

              j, lol, ak tu muk tak! …actually my viking ancestor married into the eastern cherokee nation, so i got a double dose of fight:)

            • cosmolined says:

              Bet you a case of ammo we’re related. My name goes back to 1755 in Hampshire County, Virginia. My great grand father married a lady from the Cherokee Nation! (Small world.) My last namesake, Uncle John, was born in Lebanon, Missouri… Cos

            • riverrider says:

              cos, dang thats spooky….my great granny was full blood, died in ’70 at 96 yo, you do the math. she used to take me on walks in the woods to gather herbs for her since she was crippled up by then. wish to the lord that i could remember all the stuff she said,but i was 6 or7. i remember sassafras tea tho, for “tired blood” she said. she ate home grown figs everyday of her life. never let anything go to waste. she wouldn’t even let us put a bathroom in her house, or running water. she had a hand pump mounted on the sink counter, and a wood stove of course. her house was stacked head high with “stuff”, ration coupons from the wars, stamps, letters from ggpa from europe during ww1….haven’t traced my family in va further back than chesterfield county in late 1700’s. they owned a plantation that was being split among the heirs due to the patriarch’s death. 600 acres to this one, 1000 acres to that one. its now richmond. before that, the earliest origin of the name was in northern england during the viking conquest. i don’t doubt our family knew each other if not related. spooky…..

          • River and Cosmo, was having a bit of fun. I am a star trek fan lol but I am also irish, Swedish and Sioux. We used to joke one side of the family destroyed 7th Cav and the other served in 7th Cav chasing Poncho Villa (grandpa served in the 7th Cav and was with 8th Cav during WW I. In.
            My family is rooted in the warrior traditions of Viking, Celt and Native American. Its why I’m into blades, bows and slings as much as I am rifles.

            • cosmolined says:

              Dang, Jarhead:
              Bet we’re related too. I have a a touch of Swede in me too. Luckily my older brother got the Cherokee gene that doesn’t let you grow chest hair. ROTFL

            • cosmolined says:

              P.S. Jarhead 03,
              My Mother is from So. Dak.. She was born on the White River Reservation. (Unknown why.) She touts her Swedish ancestry. (Indians in the family were taboo back then.)

    • Thank God it’s back in the 70s today. My dh and I were able to walk the dog in shorts and T-shirts.

    • riverrider says:

      tk, know anything about sunnyland estates in calico rock? i found 3 acres riverfront there for a song. curious if its a “community” with restrictions/covenants?

  33. I was just thinking about the comments on the BOB post this week. A couple of people mentioned something about having a little wagon. I was thinking that something like that would probably be best for me with several little ones and another on the way. What my question would be is does anyone think that one can be outfitted with a fake bottom, in order to hide supplies and yet be able to haul the little ones who cant walk too far? Bugging out on foot has been a big concern of mine, due to how big a group I would be bugging out with and the supplies (even if it were for only a short period of time) for that many people would be a huge obstacle.

    • TG, have you considered a passenger van? Don’t know how big you are talking but I have noticed companies that deal in used company fleet vehicles have good deals. You can modify as needed. We have them at work and removed the last two benches for equipment and supplies.

      • Chonte' in MD says:

        i think she is looking for something when a vehicle is not an option.
        TG, i understand your thought process. i have a little one of my own and we don’t have a car, so regardless, we would be on foot (however, i live a few blocks from a dealership and if things got really bad i would not be above stealing a car.) i think a wagon is a good idea. im wondering, if you have any carpentry experience you could probably make one to accommodate your needs! maybe even buy a wooden one and build up the railings on the side so u would have space for a false bottom but still safe so the little ones don’t fall out. when i was stroller shopping i made sure to buy an all terrain stroller (Jeep Brand) for this purpose. i will carry my BOB on my back and i can stash my tent in the basket of the stroller.

      • Thanks for this thought, but if I can bug out in a vehicle I am set. I am concerned if I have to bug out on foot (which would take some extremely dire circumstances) trying to figure out how to do it with the kids, and possibly a way to “hide” some supplies. I have thought about cacheing stuff along a set route, but what happens if a detour is needed? Ugh, I just seem to have these thoughts swirling around in my head since I dont have a good answer on how to deal with it.

        • TG,

          How many little ones do you need to account for? What about a go-cart with a Faraday cage built on top of the engine.

          • We are possibly talking up to 6 kids under the age of 5 and around 4-6 that are 5+ years old. Although galavanting around the net and I found this
            the first wagon on the page. I am thinking something like that might work good. Especially since we would need some protection from the sun, could easily be outfitted with a fake bottom and have that extra storage space on the back for a cooler. If you scroll down the page it also has a way to set it up for a “dog or goat” to pull it instead. It is something to look into at least.

            • TG – I had no idea – up to 12 children.

              perhaps multiple identical 3 wheeler jogging strollers – in case of breakage, all parts will then be inter-changable and can carry out repairs to the damaged strollers, to keep the remaining strollers going for as long as possible or at the very least, arrival at your safe place…

              perhaps older kids can push strollers with one of the younger ones, and the adults can push strollers with more than 2 younger children…

              this issue is an important priority for you. hope you find the answer soon, to put your mind at rest.

            • TG
              I tend to agree with cin… Go for double jogging strollers. Much more maneuverable and stable. I have a wagon very similar to your link, mine even has ski blades you can put in place of the wheels, but for a BOB situation you’d be better off with the double jogging stroller. REI has some quite sturdy options.

              Another thing to consider is a simple rope… Tie loop hand holds or directly to belt loops and a walking you go… No one gets lost, and perhaps you could pretend to be a cho-cho train. Anythings better than chaos!

        • TG, I don’t have a set answer for my situation either.

          I just do what I can now, and try to play out different scenarios…and even then, one just does not know what will happen, or when – however, I am preparing in the small way that I can…

          Keep thinking about it…I am thankful that I don’t have little ones, and I pray that you will come up with a workable and flexible plan.

          My SIL and DD hopefully will be with me, but I practice bugging out alone, just in case that is what eventuates…

          Just as an aside, a few years ago a woman walked across the lower part of Australia, (west to east) pushing a baby stroller (3 -wheeler) that held all her assorted items required for the duration of the walk – don’t recall her reason for doing it…the stroller held up okay for the trip. Might be a viable option.

          And, just to be clear…that doesn’t mean that all Aussies take part in that sort of thing regularly… cheers.

      • A jogging stroler would be better – especially a double one.

        I bought a used Baby Trend single jogging stroller for our disabled dog to enjoy out walks with the other dogs – a 2 mile hike we do every day on a dirt/gravel road. The stroller has held up great for the past year – tires are still good, and the thing is very sturdy. We’ve taken it over rougher terrain, but only for short distances.

        We tried a wagon and a regular stroller first – both were FAILS.

        There is a basket underneath that holds a lot. You can put a small duffel under there with supplies. You can also pull the hood back, and store stuff in the “pocket” that forms (I put the pistol, the camera and the phone in there, along with a pack of crackers every day).

        The metal used to construct it is strong – I also use a carbiner clip and clip a water bottle on the side. Never had a problem with the metal bending from the weight or anything.

    • I forgot to mention in my article that I do have a small wheeled wagon I use, as I have several health issues, including nerve damage in my left arm and arthritus, that makes carrying anything heavy nearly impossible.

      I think that it’s imperative that anyone with mobility issues, whether they’re from a disability or some other issue, should modify their BOBs and other survival gear as needed. After all, just because you’re not 100% able bodied doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t give yourself the best chance of survival. Survival of the fittest, IMO, doesn’t always mean fittest in body… that’s why we have such highly developed (if often underutilized) brains!

      • You are so right in that we need to do things to our abilities. I just have a gaggle of kids and trying to carry enough food and water for them is a staggering thought, even for only a couple of days. One wagon would be a lot easier than two, so that is why I was thinking of possibly a fake bottom. Have a place to store/hide supplies, and yet have a way for the kids to travel a lot easier then trying to carry them or not getting very far because they cant walk long distances.

    • Plant Lady says:

      We got the large green poly dump cart from Tractor Supply so we can take MIL with us if we have to bug out. She is 87 and can’t walk by herself and the wheelchair just barely works on lawn. The cart is the larger model, I think it will haul 800 or 1200 lbs. Plenty of room for MIL and some supplies. I figured I would put the supplies/water in the bottom, then bedding and soft stuff to cushion MIL and whatever we can stack around her. I will haul her. We also got the larger green mesh cart that has sides that fold down, making it a flatbed. Hubby will haul that one with my 93-yr old Grandpa on it and some supplies. Have made harnesses from ratchet straps so we can haul the weight with our bodies and have our hands free. They won’t work everywhere – but sure will be handy until we reach that point (hehe). When we get there, will just switch over to the plastic toboggons (hehe).
      And in the meantime, they are pretty darn handy around the farm andd forest! The handle is really cool…it can pivot around and become a hitch to haul behind a lawn tractor, etc.

      • Wow Plant Lady – much admiration coming your way for your set-up on bugging out with and taking care of your elders.

        Having read your post…I am determined to strive harder to be physically stronger, as I only need to keep myself going under my own steam…may God continue to give you the required strength.

        • Plant Lady says:

          Chloe: I had always wondered why God made me so big and strong – now I know! (hehe) And caring for MIL the past 5 yrs. and Gramps for the past yr. has made me even stronger – both physically and mentally.
          Bugging out would be extremely unlikely for us – we already live on a mini-farm way out in the boonies in a very lightly populated area. But there are still natural disasters – forest fires, storms, etc. that may make the vehicles or driveways unusable. And the carts/toboggons seemed like a much better idea than toting the elders on our backs or dragging them behind us on tarps! Glad this subject came up…I have been wanting to engineer a stake-hoop-wire fence “Conestoga-type” cover for both – to keep rain/snow off the elders and our supplies. Got to get busy with that!
          The carts/toboggons would also be handy for an injured person, as well as kids, elders and supplies.The web-strap harnesses are what makes this idea work so well – so your hands are free most of the time and you can still carry a pack on your back. Everything else we thought of – wheelchairs, strollers, grocery carts, etc. take both hands to push and steer and the tires are unsuitable for off-road use…and we live 11 miles from the nearest sidewalk (hehe).

          • plant lady, I am so in awe of the strength and determination I am reading on this blog…from all the commenters…and their sense of humour is still strong, we all know we have tough times ahead, and we just keep on prepping and planning for our family’s safety.

            lots of prayers and wishes for your continued strength and prepping.

    • Harold Dean says:

      Since I am mature and do not have the stealth and stamina I used to have I constructed something along that order. I got the idea from one of those two wheeled collapsible market carts the old ladies used to wheel around behind them when shopping. There was one hanging on the garage wall, so after taking a good long hard look at it I quickly whipped up something compatible. I used the rear wheels off an old discarded high wheel lawn mower so I would have the solid rubber tires and not have to worry about flats. From the same mower, I used the handles that are bolted in the middle so you can spin off the wing nut and fold them down. A couple of pieces of expanded aluminum mesh, a couple of aluminum 1/4 inch triangle plates to hold the wheels and some small s hooks that I closed on end on on the rod I ran through the mesh and in an hours time I had a really neat collapsible two wheeled card that I can quickly expand and I sized it to fit one of the small plastic tote tubs which just happened to fit the 5 gallon square soap jug I use for water hauling. I could effortlessly haul one of the totes full of bricks with a filled water jug on top held with a strap to the handles all around my property, rough lawn, down through my woods and back without exhausting myself. Forget the big backpack, from now on anything that can’t be carried in and on the vest and belt will go in the cart.

      • Harold, that was a brilliant idea… well described…cheers.

      • Plant Lady says:

        Harold: Excellent improvisation! I wish you lived next door to me – someone who can create needed objects from what they have on hand is going to be extremely valuable come SHTF…no matter what age.

  34. SaratogaPrepper says:

    Wifey-Poo returned safely from Arkansas yesterday. She is half way thru mandatory 48 hour quarentine. J/K. Two doctor visits for me this week. One really good, the other really scary. The endocrinologist visit was excellent. He wants me to start reducing my nightly doses of Lantus by one unit every week until I get to 4 units. If my morning Blood Glucose levels are still below 110 I can stop it totally. Looks like eating correctly and the herbs I take are paying off. It will be nice to be off insulin. The visit with my hip doctor on the other hand, not so good. He took more x-rays and when he returned with them he asked how I was getting by without major league pain meds. Nothing remains of what is supposed to be in there, so as of now I am scheduled for a left hip replacement for Feb. 15th. Terrified!

    Prepping was so-so. Visited my local coin shop to pick up some junk silver. At first he wasn’t even going to let me pick out my own coins! He just wanted to know how much and what denominations I wanted. After a bit of arguing he finally agreed to let me pick them out. Odd. Ordered a S&W Baton and a camelback backpack from Botach. Ordered a sprouting seed kit from Wheatgrasskits so we can start growing our own sprouts. The wife loves them on salads and in sandwiches. It comes with everything needed for beginners like my family. A nice mixture of seeds so that we can see what we like best and stackable growing trays for the kitchen window. More ammo for the .308, .22 & 20 gauge. 2 ammo cans w/dessicant for the growing supply of ammo.

    I’ve been looking at the Go Berkey. It’s a small transportable version of the Berkey filter that is perfect for a BOB or in my case a GHB. It comes with one of the Sport Berkey bottles. Has anyone read anything about it or possibly used one? It is a new addition to their line and I can’t find any reviews on it.

    God Bless

    • Saratoga Prepper,

      I am really hoping someone will be able to do a comparison of the Berkely filter and this one.


      I am curious to learn if the Berkey is significantly better, given the price difference.

    • i’ll keep you in my prayers for your upcoming surgery. you’ll come through it with flying colors.

    • I’ve known 3 people who had hip replacement surgery. All three told me they felt MUCH better the day after surgery – then they had before the surgery. It will probably be much easier than you think, but will keep you in my prayers.

      • SaratogaPrepper says:

        The doctor told me the same thing about the day after. Then he described the surgery itself!! Sounded like he was replacing a ball joint on his car. Saw, hammer & drill. Oh My!
        Thanks for the prayers

        • templar knight says:

          Will be thinking about you, man, and will throw up a prayer for a successful resolution to the hip problem, SP. I’m glad the wife made it back safely from the hinterlands, hope she had a great trip.

          Berkey water filters are the gold standard, so I don’t think you could go wrong with one. They are a bit pricey, though. I have a small Katadyn in my BOB. Unless you live a long way from work, I wouldn’t bother with an expensive filter, but would get a water straw filter, the Sport Berkey bottles, and some water treatment tablats. Just my 2 cents.

          Oust the Dictator Obama

          • SaratogaPrepper says:

            templar knight
            Thanks for the thoughts. Wife had a great time in Arkansas. She can’t stop talking about how nice it is there. Her sister’s taxes are so small compared to ours here in NY, things are cheaper, people are nicer, better weather, etc. She would have no problem finding employment there (Pharmacist), but I have 5 years before I can retire and am one of those few people left who has a pension. It is just way to much money to give up at this stage in my life. Otherwise we would be out of NY.

            p.s. She agrees about ousting Obama. Now if I could just get her to quit singing “When Johnny comes marching home”.

            • Grannytraveler says:

              I have the same problem concerning pension. I want out of SoCal but have to keep working for 5 more years. My DH is retiring this year for health reasons (he’s 66). We’re taking it week by week with him. The problem is that I was a stay-at-home mom until the last kid went off to college (worked part time once they were in school as a substitute teacher). Finally got a permanent position in my 50’s. Because I work as a teacher in CA we don’t pay into ss. That means if something happens to my DH, I can’t collect on his ss. I will have to live on whatever my pension is. Of course if I go first, he will get my pension and his ss. So here we stay.

            • Granny I understand how you feel. I just started paying into PERS in December and no longer pay into SS. I’m concerned because many jobs I took when I got out of the military paid cash in over time not reported to SS or the state. It was great in the younger days but oh well. I didn’t have much faith in SS anyways lol.

              Hope your doing well, this warm weather is bringing out the ants thinking its summer. I was invaded by ants this morning in my pantry, nephew left a box of cereal open. I live in the 626 area code and its nice out.

        • Harold Dean says:

          Actually, it does sort of resemble a ball joint on the car. My eldest daughter was aghast when they showed her the one they were going to put in her. Since she is a mechanics daughter, she understood the principle and she is so happy she had it done about five years ago. She is affected with RA and is facing future replacements besides the hip and both knees so far

    • Saratoga Prepper, May I ask what herbs you are taking for diabetes? The doctor doubled my meds after my last blood test and I need to try to get it back under control.

      • SaratogaPrepper says:

        I take a product called Quantum Pancreas Complex.

      • SaratogaPrepper says:

        I don’t know if you have ever used herbal products before, so a few words of wisdom (not that I have a lot of that). Start with a low dose to be sure of no interactions. Don’t expect miracles overnight either. It is not like modern medicine where your pain disappears after an hour of taking a few Motrin. It takes time sometimes a few months to show effects. Then again you aren’t causing damage to one part of the body (Motrin/Liver) to cure another (headache). I have nothing to do with these products or company, just been using that particular one + their Prostate formula to end those frequent trips to the BR in the middle of the night. Both work as advertised. The wife takes a whole array of their products to combact her MS. She is a pharmacist who takes NO presciption meds. I am not a medical professional and never played one on TV, though I did have a hankerin’ for Katherine Heigl on Grey’s Anatomy. So take all advice with a grain of salt, I was kinda long winded so make it 2 grains.

        • Too funny, Saratoga Prepper. Thanks for the advice.

        • I know I am new here but I hope you don’t mind me putting my two cents in. My husband was on insulin and several other meds. He took a serious look at his situation and on the suggestion of a friend he bought a book called “The 17 Day Diet”. Within two weeks he was off the insulin. He worked closely with his endo and with in the next few months he continued to be cut down on his other meds. This was a year ago and he is still of most meds. He will be 69 this month so I am really proud of him sticking with it. I know this will not work for everyone, but really made a difference for the people I know who tried it. (It is actually a weight loss book, but everyone that we know tried it for their diabetes)
          This year our goal is to try to walk 5 miles per day. We are still working so it is hard to find the time, but we feel that most neighbors in their 30’s have a hard time walking 5 blocks so we will be less of a burden than many of them will be.

          • SaratogaPrepper says:

            I’m not sure what that particular diet includes, but along with the herbal formula, I also have completely changed my diet. I’ve never been heavy, still within 5 lbs of what I weighed before I was diagnosed 2 1/2 years ago, but what I did eat just wasn’t healthy.
            Good Luck with your goal.

          • Plan B.,

            We all jump in share our experience. So feel free to chirp in. And Welcome to the Wolf Pack.

        • Saratoga Prepper
          May I ask what specific herbal mixes your DW takes for MS? My dad is on weekly (refridgerated) injections to hold it at bay…

          • SaratogaPrepper says:

            Let me get back to you on that. The list is long and I’m just heading out the door to work. Didn’t want you to think I was ignoring you. A quick start is Quantum’s Brain Complex and their Nerve Complex. Their products are almost all vegen and organic in nature. Excipient free meaning no fillers or other unless junk.

    • robert in mid michigan says:

      good luck with the hip replacement, i know of a couple of people who have had it done and their only complaint was that they waited so long for it.

      ill keep you in my prayers, just remember half the battle is in your head so have happy thoughts lol. who knows in a couple of months maybe you can walk a marathon, no idea why people want to run that far but if that is a possibility gl with it. keep your spirits high and remember we are all wishing you the best

      • SaratogaPrepper says:

        Thanks for the prayers. No marathons for me, I want to climb Mt. Marcy in snowshoes this time next year.

        • Mt. Marcy in winter! That’d be quite an accomplishment. Those high peaks are serious wilderness… I greatly underestimated the first 5 peaks the DH and I bagged a few years ago.
          If anyone wants to test their skills and gear in a wilderness area, head to the High Peaks region of NY Adirondak park.

          • SaratogaPrepper says:

            You are correct there! Everyone thinks that just because most of the peaks are under 5000 feet, Marcy being the tallest at about 5300, that they are easy climbs. I’ve given up counting the number I have climbed. A few of the guys I work with are into the snowshoe climbing of the peaks and say that it isn’t too bad, as long as you are properly equipped. The biggest problem is finding the trail markers. Sometimes there is so much snow it covers the markers that are nailed to the trees. Since you have climbed a few you know how high they are placed. Not being able to do any hiking these past two years because of my hip has been a great disappointment. Last time I tried I hiked into Marcy Dam (about 2 1/4 miles) from the Adirondack Loj and had to turn around knowing there was no way I would be able to finish what I had planned. Algonquin Peak (5100′) is my personal favorite. The view from the top on a clear fall day is spectacular. I have never done Marcy. I’m told that it is not a difficult clmb, just a long trail. So doing it on snoeshoes just seems like a way for me to say “I beat ya” to my hip.

    • Copperhead says:

      Prayers for your surgery, SP. I have had two hip replacements and tho not fun, sure did feel like a new person in a little while. Just take the pain medicine and do the therapy…it really helps you to get moving faster. My last surgery was 1989, so it is lasting a long time…they used to last only 10 years!

      • SaratogaPrepper says:

        It’s not the post-surgery I worry about. I have an excellent support staff there. Wife is a pharmacist, daughter a nurse’s aid studying to be a nurse, brother’s GF has a PHD in physical therapy. It’s the 2 hours or so that I am in LaLa land with someone I barely know carving me up like a Thanksgiving turkey. I’m sure I’ll be fine, it will be nice to be able to hang my targets on the 100 yard range without dreading the walk up and back. I looked at the 300 yard range a few days ago and said in my best Arnold voice “I’ll be back”.
        Thanks for the prayers.

        • Saratoga Prepper, best wishes for successful surgery and a speedy recovery

        • Cliff in Douglasville says:

          Your fears of being asleep while strangers operate touched a nerve for me. When I was on active duty everyone in my specialty fell under the Personal Reliability Program because we worked daily with a lot of classified information. If we had to be put to sleep for a dental or surgical procedure we had dedicated people (they had spent time in the operating rooms and didn’t get squeamish) that had to accompany us. In case some one asked us something in our drugged state or if we started shooting off at the mouth about something classified they could stand by, shut you up and give inadvertent disclosure oaths to everyone in the room. They also had the ability to direct the doctor to evacuate everyone except mission essential people during the operations. It was kind of embarrassing when I had my vasectomy and had to have a female monitor in there with me (I had to take valium prior to the procedure and even offered to do the operation myself). After the operation she knew all my secrets down there but being a colleague she only gave me a little grief about how good the surgeon did with so little to work with. It was comforting to know that someone had my back and that I couldn’t be taken advantage of in that state. Now that I’ve retired and have had surgery a couple of times I don’t worry about it, everything classified is over 20 years old and so outdated that no one would be interested but I’d still like to have a trusted friend in the room just in case I start mumbling the wrong lady’s name…….

    • Cliff in Douglasville says:

      Saratoga Prepper,
      When your wife returned from her trip did she bring back a mailing address for the young service man that went as her protector. I’m sure that he would enjoy a Christmas card or just a thank you card very much and I’m sure he enjoyed chatting with your wife during the trip.
      Sometimes little things like a card really can mean a lot.

      • SaratogaPrepper says:

        Cliff in Douglasville
        Suprisingly she didn’t get an address. There would have been a lot more than a card sent, more like cookies for the platoon, a year’s supply. She likes to feed people. That’s twice the USMC has helped one of my girls with their luggage. The first time was for my daughter on the Long Island RR. Though there may have been ulterior motives that time. LOL!
        Great story above. That particular surgery is the only thing I’ve ever had done except for a tooth extraction. I’ve never had anesthesia . Maybe I’m a bit of a control freak.

        • Cliff in Douglasville says:

          Too bad about not getting an address. When I was on active duty I loved getting cards and packages, really made the days brighter.
          One year my home town newspaper took the imitative to post guys overseas address for anyone that wanted to write. I got about 60 cards. About 15 of them were nice and thankful for the time of the year, all the rest were messages of hate (this was Vietnam era) and even though I wasn’t in Nam at the time I was called everything from a baby raper to a cannibal. You might well imagine it was not something I wanted to repeat.
          My daughter was in a sorority when she was in college (4 or 5 years ago) and they all got together and sent packages to the “any soldier program”. They made up boxes for men and for women. I had a friend of a friend deployed to Iraq so I boxed up a couple of hundred Beanie Babies (I’m bad OCD when it comes to collecting), along with tooth brushes, tooth paste in travel size and hard candy for the guys to give out to the locals. I also got to foot the bill to mail all the boxes to the “any soldier” but it was the least I could do.
          We still go to the airport about once a month and stand around and greet the returning and departing troops and always give them a round of applause. Makes them and me feel really good. I don’t ever want any of the troops to think that they are on their own and not appreciated by the folks back home.
          I’m sure the young man that accompanied your wife had a delightful time sitting and talking with her. When you are in uniform it is not usual for a civilian to just sit down and talk to you so to have a traveling companion had to be a treat for him.

  35. It’s been a while since I’ve posted anything here. After being unemployed for just over a year, I finally started my new job this week. This should help big time with our preps and keep us moving in the right direction. Today we took advantage of a canned goods sale and added 3 dozen cans of food to our storage.

  36. Cliff in Douglasville says:

    Busy week work wise but did a little prepping. After the grief I gave to the 9mm crew in my post I felt it only reasonable that I go put in some range time with one. I tried out 4 different ones at the range (rentals) putting somewhere around 500 rounds down range. That was earlier in the week so today I returned and bought a Sig Sauer P239 in 9mm. It’s a bit shorter than my Glock .40, is quite a bit lighter and a bit thinner than the Glock. It came with a special holster and retention system but I’m not sold on that yet. When I wear the Glock (when I have my pants on) it has 13 rounds in the magazine and I carry 2 spare 13 round magazines in my back pocket. I’ve been having some issues with keeping my pants all the way up as this is a pretty hefty load once I hang my keys on the beltloop and put the cellphones in my pocket. The Sig, when I first picked it up kind of snuggled down in to my hand and said “take me home” but it had to wait. When I got the new one today I’d swear it said the same thing and winked at me. I really like the DA first shot and the decocker so you can chamber a round and not have to rack the slide but just put a little heftier pull on the trigger to recock and fire that first round. I always sweat a little bit with a round under the hammer and no way to decock (Glock). It’s a nice handgun, came with 2 8 round mags and a holster and a big cable lock that will never get out of the box. Brought it home and put 24 rounds through it and was very happy. Carrying is much lighter than my Glock and the magazines, even though they only hold 8 rounds are much smaller and lighter loaded than the Glock .40 S&W 13 round mags. I practice firing weak hand at the range. I found that I’ve developed some essential tremors in my right hand and the Glock weight is enough so that it controls the trembles but the Sig being much lighter takes more concentration to hold steady. But, I found, with it, firing left handed I was hitting where I wanted and was comfortable with the pistol that way. I’m going to carry both for a little while and see which I like the best but I have to hang my head and apologize to the 9mm crew after looking at the home defense ammo and deciding that I, for sure, did not want to get shot by one of those rounds.
    Thanks for everybody’s input.
    Oh, and I went to the bank to cash a check yesterday morning. I always ask if they have any half dollars and sometimes I get some, sometimes not, but this time they only had one but it was a 68 Kennedy which is 40% silver and has about 4 to 6 dollars worth of silver in it. Not a bad return for 50 cents. I hoard half dollars just because and every silver one I bring home (64 is 90% silver, 65-70 are 40% silver) is money in my silver stash.
    Stay safe.

    • Cliff, congrats on the new Sig. I used to own a Smith and Wesson 908 in 9mm for the same reason, my G22 at that time was too big for concealed carry as was the 1911.

    • I don’t know why this escapes me when I visit the bank… I need to start asking for those too. Thanks for the reminder!

    • You can tell the world is coming to an end when Cliff gets a 9mm. Sounds like you got a nice one though.

      • Cliff in Douglasville says:

        Michael C.
        Yep, I was wrong about the 9mm. I had it out back again this afternoon (there’s woods back there and nothing to hit for a ways so I in the back yard some). I’m still favoring left hand (weak hand) with it but I like the action on the Sig and like the chips it takes out of the stump. I’ll go out this weekend to the range and see if I can shoot both at the same time, Glock in the right hand, Sig in the left and see how the zombie targets look afterwards.

        • Cliff in Douglasville:
          I had a single stack SiG (p6 or 225) and still found the trigger reach a bit long. Called SiG and they installed their Short Action Trigger and their Short Reactive Trigger package. Wow, what a difference. I’m not a fan of double action triggers, I find them sloppy and I don’t like the heavy 1st shot, but this action work made all the difference.
          Plus, I got a shipping label w/my order so the UPS guy picked it up from me on Wednesday and delivered it back the following Wednesday! Great customer service!

  37. SrvivlSally says:

    I was able to make a trip south of me to a food outlet store where everything is cheaper and I bought a 20 lb. bag of beans for $15.99 which came out to just around $.80 (cents) per pound and a very good deal for the area I live in, a large box of instant mashed potatoes, an extra bag of cheap brown spuds to use for a thick potato soup and a pound of powdered milk that was packaged in envelopes for much less than the regular stores charge for it, cannot recall the prices for everything but I saved a whole lot of money. I sold an extra vehicle that has been sitting around for a long time for $145 a ton and made out with a whopping $301 at the metal recyclers. I owed someone for a rifle so the money enabled me to pay them back and still have a little left over for gas and other necessities. If I had had time to strip it a bit, I could have received $165 a ton but I still got a decent price and so I cannot complain. I do not like calling in any buyer because they will double their money once they take what they bought from me to a recycler. I showed a family member around twenty cheap property listings and they could not decide which they liked because they thought they were beautiful. A spark of interest for cheap, pretty, usable and survival-type land has occurred and I am hoping that they will bite the hook pretty soon.

  38. Picked up most of the bandages, gauze for the Bob’s. Matches in a waterproof container plus some fire starters. Hand cleaner, wipes and toothbrushs with covers. 2 Minimulti tools from Gerber in a set. All from Wally World.

  39. My son decided to cut wood for me, instead of having me buy it, so I got to use the money for the wood (minus $40 in gas) for preps – yeah!

    Went to Winco. Bought 24 boxes Mac & Cheese at $.42 each,8 cans green beans, 6 tomato paste, 40 rolls TP, 8 Paper towels, 2-15 oz bottles hand sanitizer, and 2 trial size to carry around, 1 large bottle pepto bismo generic stuff, 2-80 ct boxes of fabric type bandaids.

    At Costco 1- 25 lb bag cat food and 3-20 lb bags puppy food and 2 big bags celery for dehydrating.

    At Walmart, 3-48 oz jars apple sauce, 22 mens sport fresh deodorant at $.50 each.

    Also bought 2 lbs black elderberry, and made and bottled enough syrup for myself, my mom, and all 4 of my kids and their families, and still have most of the berries left!

    I packaged a bunch of vegetables I dehydrated this week for storage.

    Also picked up the knives I ordered from NorCal Ray this morning.

    • Garden Mom says:

      I bought elderberries too. I vacuum sealed them with the recipe for the syrup, so it’s together if I need it. I also bought the syrup already made up and put that in our medicine cabinet.

      • Garden Mom & Michele, I’m most interested in where you purchased your elderberries if you can give a link. Also, I’m interested in the syrup, if it is sugar based which it probably is, I can still use it for other family members. I would make a tinture for me. Thanks!

    • axelsteve says:

      My younger son and I had a great day today. We met up with a friend of mine that I have known since junior high and we went shooting. My son and I shot our 22`s and my friend brought his m38 mosin and a tokorov ? rifle and he brought his hi point 9 mm carbine.We shot for about 3.5 hours and picked up about 2 plus gallons of brass.My friend got to meet my son and they got along well. A guy let my son shoot his ar15 and let him use up 60 rounds.We had a great day and got to catch up with an old friend. you can`t beat that.

    • inquisitorjje says:

      When you say you ordered from NorCal Ray what is that? website?

  40. MtWoman (N Texas) says:

    In spite of some severe pain in my hips and feet, I managed to get some prepping done this week (pain meds can sure help when necessary).

    -Re-organized dehydrated food box and rotated out some mixed dried fruit. Chopped it up for use in oatmeal. I bought lots of ‘cheap’ fruit this summer and dehydrated it. Nice to have it now.

    -Canned 14 half-pints of Blueberry jam & 16 half-pints Prickly Pear jam. I’m using up the processed juices/pulp I have in the freezer.

    -Cleaned a case of jam & jelly out of the fridge and donated it to the community church. The lady that came by for it got to talking about gardens and such, and she commented that she won’t be planting a garden this year because of the drought and the water restrictions. I mentioned to her that Dad and I use “house water” to water our garden plants. She wrinkled her face and indicated that that was ‘just too much work’. This really surprised me as she grows a great garden each year and LIVES OUT IN THE COUNTRY WHERE SHE CAN. She’s not a city-folk who doesn’t know better. So, I’m thinking to myself that this is exactly the kind of person who is going to be a problem (and looking for something to eat) WTSHTF…even more so maybe than someone running from the city.

    There’s an interesting end to this story though: we also got to talking about the variety of jams that I make, and I explained to her how I “glean” fruits from all over the county, asking people here and there for them when I see they are not picking them. She asked me if I would come to the Ladies Auxiliary lunch next month, and discuss the water & gleaning, to: “get people thinking”, and I said yes. I see it as a great opportunity to share some info, especially with people who are in the same community that I am. If they get into some self-reliance, it can only benefit us all, right? I will talk about water use, gleaning, and dehydrating…in a general way (no specifics of what I have stored here).

    -Got my Kaito Voyager radio from the Big City mailbox. (It was a Christmas present. Thanks son!) It is smaller and lighter than what I thought it would be, and I’m concerned the crank handle isn’t sturdy enough for long-term use. But I’ve been checking it out and having the NOAA weather station and notification is great!! Spring is right around the corner, and I am sure I will be using that part often. The shortwave reception is slim. I went online and read a couple of reviews where this was mentioned as well. All-in-all, it’s good and certainly better than having nothing. I have seen since that there is a “Pro” version, with thermometer, humidity indicator, digital read and other features. I’m thinking of it for my son’s BD in Feb.

    -Moved 3 days of water and some bedding into the hangar…a second “bug-in” option. I have a little regular radio I’ll add, and I’ll move 3 days of food in when I’m not in pain. I found an old wooden army cot in there, with a canvas cover. The cover is shot, so I took it off, measured it, and started researching online for one. So far, they are expensive…or at least for my budget. I’ll keep looking. I’d get some canvas and make one, but I don’t have a sewing machine, and my arthritic hands couldn’t take the strain of doing it by hand.

    No prep purchases this week….funds too low. But I got a ‘thank you’ giftcard to Walmart from one of dad’s fly buddies, and I’ll probably use that for some preps.

    I have not had a chance to finish my “Natural Remedies” essay to submit, but I am working on it, and will get it to M.D. asap. It seems that more and more info comes up as I write…do you have the same problem Gayle? 🙂 That’s not a bad thing, but makes writing something take longer.

    Thanks as usual, M.D., for this blog. And I hope we get some news about Lint Picker soon. It’s really worrisome that he’s not posting/commenting. 🙁 I will continue to send positive thoughts, and hope that it turns out to be something simple…like his internet went down or something.

    • MtWoman,

      I try not to sweat the small stuff. If new info comes up, I can always include it in the comments section. What’s important is to get out the information that can potentially help folks. And I think your article on natural remedies will really help folks.

    • You might be able to improve your short-wave radio reception with a simple antenna using a cheap Slinky. There are pic’s and plans all over the web. FWIW…

    • axelsteve says:

      Mt woman. For giving the talk about gleaning crops you may want to refer to the Bible for that one. In Bible times the farmers left parts of there fields or orchards un harvested for the poor to glean from.

      • Nice catch, Steve. I did a little digging:
        Leviticus 19:9
        Leviticus 19:10
        Leviticus 23:22
        Deuteronomy 24:19
        Ruth 2:2
        Ruth 2:15

  41. NorCal Ray says:

    Happy New Year Everyone,

    When I got home today found that the people whom I think broke into my shed a coupl weeks ago are back. Can’t wait to see what happens now.

    Got a 1991 Physicians Desk Reference off of Freecycle.org.
    FoodMax picked up Campbells Chicken Noodle Soup, & Tomato Soup with an expiration of 9/14 on sale for .58 ea. Got one case. Asst. Gravy Mixes, Enchilada Sauce Seasoning mixes, & Mild Taco Seasoning mixes at 2/ 1.00. 1lb10oz. Iodized Salt & Non-Iodized Salt 1lb.10oz.1 case of Small Tomato Sauce (48) cans @ .25ea. 2 jugs Liquid Laundry Detergent, 2 gal. Top Job Bleach.
    From one of my customers i got 2x3pk Broadheads, 2x 100pk #209 Primers.

    Have tried to contact Lint with no success nor can I get in touch with a mutual aquaintance. Will let everyone know when I am able.

  42. Does anyone have the latest coupon code for EE? I cannot find the catalog they just sent out.

  43. mountain lady says:

    My only prep for this week was ordering 2 lbs of dried elderberries for making syrup. I plan to make one batch and vacuum jar the remainder. My herbalist friend who ordered them for me at her discount told me not to make more to water bath, as it will kill the good things in the syrup. She tends to be a purist, but in this case, I think it better to follow her advise.

    • I agree about the temp (water bath). I make the syrup, cool it and then add the berry, or herb mixture. In this case. I would rehydrate the berries, soak, mash and strain the juice. THEN add it to the syrup. But, you can freeze the juice before you add it to anything.

    • I like my elderberries, I have six huge bushes, and planted out a new 140 hedgerow of them this past spring, I took off gallons of the berries this year, I do dry some, freeze others but the rest is made into juice and or tonic.

      While I like my pure Elderbery syrup, and even canned, mine seems to pack a whallop on colds/flu’s etc, I have ended up with my own mix for personal use, I do half Black elderberry and half Black chokeberry, simmer for 20 min, strain, reduce by another half, then water bath can, and then I mix it with raw local honey.

      • That’s exactly what I do with my elderberries. We’re lucky enough to have elderberry bushes lining both sides of the road from the ranch clear into town…that’s 4 miles of elderberries!

        • For those like myself that don’t know a thing about making elderberry syrup, I found this Video made by Mountain Rose demostrating how to make Elderberry syrup with dried or fresh berries.

          I like Farmgal’s idea of making the syrup minus the honey and canning it. How long in the water bath, Farmgal? I’m glad to see your back!

          • Hi MareBear

            I have been waterbath canning the pints for 10 min an the quarts for 15, I am under 1000 feet, so adjust as required for your own area in that regard.

            One of the reason I like to do it that way is that I often will make hot elderberry tea, or I make Elderberry Jello, or mix the elderberry with a little vinager/sweeter to use as a meat glaze or a salad dressing etc.

            So having the base available for many different uses makes alot of sense to me.

  44. NCMommaof4 says:

    Hi, I’ve been reading this blog for a month or so & have learned so much! Prepping isn’t really a new concept to me, it has just kind of gradually evolved! Living in hurricane country (not to mention that the stores clear out immediately if someone breathes the word snow) I’ve always felt compelled to keep a good supply of food & emergency supplies on hand, I have 4 children & of course feel compelled to see that their needs are always met. Two and a half years ago I began couponing (I am also incredibly frugal! 😉 I began stockpiling essentials when the prices were too good to pass up. My DH is pretty supportive, he didn’t blink an eye when I sent him through the checkout line with 50 tubes of toothpaste (free after coupons!) but I did detect a slight eye roll when I brought home some food grade buckets. I had a pretty exciting week prep wise so I decided to post. We got another dog, a blue pit rescue, whom I’m absolutely in love with already. I seriously doubt anyone in their right mind would consider coming into my home- these 3 dogs make me feel infinitely better when I leave my kids (18,13,7&3) home alone. Today the hubby and I took the concealed carry class- it’s been on my to-do list for quite awhile. I shot my husbands 45- it’s been years since I’ve shot a handgun & I was kind of nervous about it (it was awesome! 😉 This wasn’t a huge food buying week for me, did buy some extra peanut butter, ramen noodles, tortilla chips. I did find a great deal on shampoo & conditioner (bought 20 bottles) half a dozen bottles of body wash & 6 bottles of fabric softener- not “essentials” I suppose, but I’m a girl & I like to be clean & smell good! I also found a cool screwdriver w/ exchangeable tips in the dollar section of Staples, the quality seemed decent & I think I’ll pick up a few more. I’m a gadget girl & a sucker for multifunction things. My husband got me a SOG multitool for Christmas- I was so excited! I plan on purchasing a food dehydrator in the near future & am eyeing the Excalibur ($= choke gasp!) I will have to suck it up & shell out the money I suppose, I had an el cheapo one several years ago & the plastic trays melted the first time I tried to use it 🙁 Does anyone have a recommendation for a good quality/large capacity dehydrator that is a little less expensive?

    • NCMomma,

      Welcome to the Wolf Pack. If you see a really good bargain on prepping stuff, let us know. I don’t use coupons all that much, but I do shop the sales. I have no problem buying 50 boxes of cereal when our brand is BOGO.

      • NCMommaof4 says:

        Thank you 🙂 2 deals that I’m specifically eyeing are at CVS beginning tomorrow. Suave deodorant will be on sale for $1 (99 cents?) there is a 75 cent coupon in circulation- super cheap! And All laundry detergent for $4, there’s a $1 coupon which doesn’t make it that great of a deal, but it’s part of the Buy $30 worth & get a $10 coupon promotion. eBay is a great way to get additional coupons & most places mail them quickly. Southernsavers(dot) com is my very favorite couponing website. They do coupon matchups for many grocery stores across the south, Walmart, Target, Dollar General, Staples, Office Depot, Staples, CVS, Walgreens, and Rite Aid. I’ve used other couponing websites (and still check them on occasion) but southern savers is quite comprehensive & user friendly and has saved me a TON of money over the past few years. It has allowed me to stockpile in a way that I would be financially unable to do otherwise. With a family of 6 (plus all my kids friends) we go through a lot of food!

        • NCMomma,

          I like Southernsavers too. Walgreens has some great sales this week too. Scott TP for $7.49, store brand bleach (96 oz.) two for $3, Reynolds Wrap for $3 something (70 ft), coke products, three 12-pack for $10.

          • Gayle and NCMomma, Hold off on the coke product 12 packs if you can. Watch closely and the Kroger, and Ingles Markets occasionally have the 12 packs for 4/$11 and rarely 4/$10. It usually is right before a holiday like Memorial Day, 4th of July, Thanksgiving, etc. I try and buy enough to keep some on hand and not buy them when they are over $3.50 per pack. Right now we are using the ones I bought in July (they have flip flops printed on the carton). On another note, if you are into instant coffee Walgreens has the Maxwell House instant for $4.99, normally it runs $6 plus.

            • Nuttbush,

              The best price I have seen on coke around here is 4 for $12. I am betting both Walgreens and CVS will have that sale for the Superbowl. So I was just going to get a couple. (We drink a lot of Coke Zero. I think my dh has a coke problem. LOL.)

            • I got soda at Fry’s Food and Drug 4/ $8.88 it was a new years sale. and yep I stacked em high. Turn the pac so that the cans are standing upright, if you get it sideways the box can fail crashing the whole stack.

            • Nuttbush,

              You are right! Next week CVS will have 12 packs of coke for $2.50 (limit four) and this deal will be part of the spend $30 and get a $10 cash card.

              I am glad I held off and didn’t jump at the 3 for $12 deal–4 for $10 is the best price I have seen in a long time.

          • Gayle…..

            I’m certain you are aware that bleach doesn’t store all that well….read, “for long periods of time”. Buying large quanities with the intent of long term storage, is a waste of money. It loses strength such that in a year or two it can hardly even be smelled when opened. For long term, get the chlorine in tablet or powder form (like swimming pool treatment)…just mix with water and “voila”…you have chlorine; and it stores indefinetely. Just in case you weren’t aware.

            • Hawkeye,

              Yes, I’ve read that bleach has a limited shelf life. A case of bleach at Sams is only three (very large) bottles. I use bleach to clean my kitchen on a weekly basis and I use it to disinfect the toilets. So I go through enough to rotated it out.

              But thanks for the heads up.

    • I was reading fast and at first, I thought it said you shot your husband and I was thinking…dang…is that how y’all settle it when the spouse won’t help ya prep? Then I re-read it. But you had me going there, for a few seconds, anyway.

  45. I took out 30 lbs of 3 yr old elk and venison, made and canned 50 quarts of pet food.

    Developed and organized a Girl Scout self defense course for 200 girls. I count this as prepping because girls learn REAL skills about SITUATIONAL AWARENESS.

    Ordered 60 more chicks, turkeys, and ducks. I order for now because EVERY male bird on the property thinks it is important to flog, hump, or hate me personally. In a SHTF situation, I will have to have hubby deal with the male poultry.

    Bartered for a gas powered milking machine on Craigs List.

    Bought 20 sheets of plywood (slightly rained on) from a contractor for 5.00 a sheet.

    And the bestest… Finally…. my hubby got computer chips programmed for my Chevy Duramax and stored in a Faraday box and stored double time in the metal gun safe. Can I get a WOOT WOOT! I am not sure how it works, but there are 3 (?) peices. Motor, injection and transmission? It was cheaper than buying and restoring a EMP vehicle. And cause I LOVE MY TRUCK and would like to be buried in it. But, still, if I don’t learn how to replace them and my men aren’t around, I am still screwed. So, that is still on the list.

    Bartered for 3 loads of organic compost/potting soil. Recycled from growing lettuce and sunflower sprouts, that I use for starting seedlings. I paid for it with a case of 1/2 pints of my World Famous Jalapeno Jelly.

    Bought and watched the movie Contagion. It was good, but I already knew all that. Scary. Makes me want to move to another planet.

    • WOOT! WOOT!

    • axelsteve says:

      MamaJ modern vehicles have several computers in them these days.When you disconnect your battery for any reason after you hook it up or replace battery you need to restart vehicle and idle it for a while so the computers reset themselves.The vehicle will run if you don`t, it will run poorly though for a time being.

      • Thanks Mark! Woot Woot!

        Axel Steve,
        Thank you too.
        I have noticed that about the truck. When anything happens, I have to start, turn off and then start again. Or it won’t go. One other thing I really like about the newer vehicles are they go into “limp home mode”. They only go about 30 mph or slower to get where you need to go. That happened when I had a sensor going out in my tranny.
        Our mechanic had never heard of an EMP event, so I got him some literature, and he got totally into it. He did alot of research, then he and hubby talked about all our vehicles. Tractor included. So, now we turned our mechanic over to the dark side. LOL. He has offically got Prepper fever. And, I am now his new best friend. Whether he likes it or not!

  46. DH started seedlings today for spring garden. Checked greenhouse this afternoon 1 tomato almost ripe. Found more peppers hiding in the garden, will go in dehydrator tomorrow. Cold snap here in Florida down to 21 degrees but thanks to kerosene heater everything in the greenhouse is fine. Stocked up on TP at Sams and that’s it for us this week.

    Going to watch Cowboys and Aliens now, have a good week.

    • MtWoman (N Texas) says:

      LOL Sunny: I thought you said: “Found more pReppers hiding in the garden, will go in dehydrator tomorrow”! Gave me a good laugh.

    • Sunny,

      When do you plant? I usually put seedlings in the garden around March 5, the start of Spring Break. I am planning on putting in some sweet potatoes this year. I picked up some seed potato from Dudley Farm. I will probably put those in around the middle of March. But I would be interested to hear when you plant.

  47. Diver Gal (South Fla) says:

    Hi all,

    Not a ton of prepping in the last wek for me, I’m still in Florida with my DM. She caught the flu and ended up with a major sinus infection and bronchitis so I’ve stuck around a bit longer than planned to help out, and to finish some painting projects for her.

    Did get some BOGO deals at Publix, oatmeal, pasta, pasta sauce… 8 of each. Like I said, nothing major. Oh and a couple new dive knives and a 3 new marine first aid kits. Need to add stuff because they never have everything you need but it’s a good starting point.

    In a week or so I’m hopefully back to the North and able to just have some ‘me time’. I’ll be back in a month or so to give a few lectures for a college professor friend’s class. Oh the joys of academia, lol.

    At any rate, I hope all that are ill and hurting get back to 100% soon. I’ll keep everyone in my prayers.

    Happy Prepping


  48. My wife recently raised concerns about how our personal living expenses have increased, and will continue to do so (we just had twins and our 3 year old eats more & more every day). She asked that I start “couponing”. we already use coupons but she was talking about a more extreme version. So I will be taking on this responsibility due to my lack of work at the moment. Little does she know that this effort will go towards prepping just as much as it will towards saving on daily expenses. Or maybe she is finally coming around to the idea of prepping and this is her way of telling me. 🙂
    the unseasonably warm weather has me thinking about gardening already.
    What seed catalogues does the Wolf Pack recommend?

    Just picked up the Ball Blue Book on canning, Buckshot’s Survival Trapping Guide and Storey’s Basic Country Living Skills.
    300′ of 550 cord
    Buck pac-lite knife $15
    …and that’s it for now.

    thanks for all the great effort and info M.D. and for the great community Wolf Pack.

    • Garden Mom says:

      I have been gardening for many years, so I hope this is helpful to you and your family – buy good seed. I have bought cheap seed in the past and it is not worth it. My personal favorite is Vermont Bean Seed Co (out of Wisconsin – which is too funny so I had to order from them). The seeds were great.
      Also, for your 3 year old – let him/her have a little garden of their own to plant whatever they want. It will give the child something to do and not be in your main garden. When our son was 3 he planted all kinds beans and when they came up he plowed them all down with his little trucks – very cute, but I was glad they weren’t my beans.

    • NCMommaof4 says:

      Couponing is a lot of work, but its a great way to save money. I’ve found it best to find a good couponing matchup site that covers my local stores. There are several that I check on a daily basis. Couponers love to brag about their deals! Don’t forget about the drug stores they’ll often offer products that are free after their stores rewards (Extra Care Bucks, Register Rewards, or UP bucks) You can use these rewards like cash on whatever you like, or if you are really “extreme” 😉 you can use these to purchase other products that offer rewards. They usually don’t expire for a couple weeks.

    • Here is a website that is a coupon database you might check out:


      Also check the smartsource, redplum, coupon.com, couponmom.com, and couponsponge.com.

    • Flick,

      There are a number of excellent coupon sites. If you live in the South, check out this one.


      The main thing about couponing is to avoid getting sucked into buying items because they are bargains. Make a list of the thinks your family uses regularly, and only buy things that are on this list and when they are on sale. I wrote an article on Tactical vs. Strategic Shopping a few months back. Check this out. It will save you money.

      And the best advise of all: Walmart will match any competitor’s prices. So you don’t have to drive all around town just to save a few bucks. Bring your flyers into Walart and just let the cashier know about the competitor’s price.

      • Chonte' in MD says:

        the other up side to walmart, at least my local store is that they allow the coveted OVERAGE!!! i think coupons are an amazing tool for preppers. have you seen the tv show? who wouldn’t want a huge stockpile of water, toilet paper and canned goods. all the other stuff like toiletries and stuff are bonus especially when u get them for free. they also would be good for bartering.

    • Flick
      I really like Seed Savers Exchange, a little pricey but all open pollinated heirlooms and a great variety. Irish Eyes Garden Seeds is another.

  49. This came across my facebook page earlier, and just had to share with all the ladies. It is a bra that doubles as a gas mask.

    • riverrider says:

      tg, don’t they all ? 😉

      • That’s what I thought. I don’t need to order respirator masks. I am woman; I have bar!

    • LOL. When I seen this I just had this crazy image of a mom pushing the stroller down a sidewalk, something happening, and her whipping out her bra. Putting one cup over her kid, the other over herself and continuing her walk like nothing even happened.

  50. Miss Molly says:

    New here but we made and revised some priority lists, bought ammo on sale, trip to Costco (mostly to replenish items used during the holidays), spent some time on the RMLS looking for property, and spent this beautiful day in the PNW (very rare for Jan.) hiking around on a 20 acre parcel and a 10 acre parcel. Very energizing day. Funds will be limited this month so we will be looking at a lot of small low cost items that are still needed. We have enjoyed reading articles and posts on this site. There is a wealth of information and ideas exchanged by some pretty experienced, resourceful, creative, and most importantly “positive” folks! Keep up the good work! M.M.

    • axelsteve says:

      good luck Miss Molly

      • Miss Molly says:

        Thank you, Axelsteve! I hope that I can contribute to the wolf pack and share experiences and ideas. The folks here seems to be a pretty neat bunch. Good luck to you in 2012.

  51. Heads UP: flashlights

    Amazon.com has a sale on flashlights. I don’t know enough about these flashlights to say if this is a good deal, but I thought I would post it. Gee, I sure miss Lint.


    • axelsteve says:

      I forgot last night I changed the scope mounts on my marlin 60. I got the raised mounts that you can look through your iron sights.I did this for 2 reasons.1 my scope was so low that I could not use my scope caps.2 I liked the idea of being able to use my iron sights if I wanted to or needed to. I was suprised how close that my zero was after changing mounts.

  52. Garden Mom says:

    I wrote an article that MD posted. Then I had a blast answering questions and following up on posts. What a great experience. I would highly encourage everybody to write what you know and it will be helpful not only to the entire pack, but for you as well.
    Now I have a really long to do list:
    – learn about solar dehydrators
    – make jam from dehydrated berries
    – dry jerky using a box fan and furnace filters
    – try more and different recipes using dehydrated foods
    – write another article!
    So I have been researching and reading about all of these topics.
    Tomatoes were on sale, but the cans were all date stamped April or May 2012. Didn’t buy any.

  53. Candy in Nebraska says:

    This week my daughter and son in law bought us some cast iron cookware, flashlight with mini tools, and some tools for hubby. Daughter found a deal on lard 50# for $10.00, so I have been busy putting it into containers and freezing it. Wasn’t too sure but everything I had read said to put in freezer to keep it from going rancid.
    I bought more deodorant both his and hers. Green scratchier pads and coffee.
    Hubby salvaged off his ford pick up we got 423.00 from it so I paid off our recliners and washer and dryer. That is now $200.00 not going out a month. Went to DD soon to be ex inlaws and got a homemade toy box for our grandson.4ft long 2ft deep 2ft wide made of cedar. Beautiful work. Anyways while there they gave me 5# of rye and some deer roast for homemade jerky. The fil is also going to teach my hubby and help us build our own smoker and has also given me a dehydrator, which they will be bringing that out in about a week. Grandson got to sit on his first horse, he is only 1yrs old didn’t know what to think about it till we said be nice to the puppy then he started petting it..lol . Will be glad when he realizes the difference in animals. But our king Shepard he prolly thinks is a horse as well. Had fun got to get away from things for the day.

  54. Rob in Ontario says:

    Happy New Year -its started out on a great note finally up graded my cell phone not using a 5 year out of date one now, I am now signed up again as a plumbing Apprentice have had my hours for over 5 years just need to finish the schooling part and hope work picks up with the new company, will be nice to have a paycheck, sure was hell losing two jobs in 2 years with both companies closing the doors without paying me wages I was due,I did get more .22-500 rds and 12ga Zellars had Habitant soups 4-$5 —question for people in Ontario where can I buy mylar bags (no credit cards here) good luck all and Lint hope your ok buddy

    • templar knight says:

      Wow, I missed this the first time through, Rob. Congratulations on a great start to the new year. Let’s hope business picks up for your new company, and you get all the work you can stand. That’s usually the way it was with me, feast or famine.

  55. Worrisome says:

    After hearing of a friend’s fire a couple of weeks ago, I decided I had better look to my own homes to see what needed to be done. Bought a couple of emergency ladders and installed them on the upper floors. Bought and hung fire extinguishers in the garages, the pantries (by the kitchens), and one each upstairs. Called to have a chimney sweep out to clean fireplaces, and asked my nephew to help make sure the dryer vents are clear.

    Placed an order for the materials my nephew is going to need to help me with some large vegie planter boxes as well as some supplies so that they can all be watered automatically. Had a couple of left over flashlights from all the prepping in November so installed and hung them in the bathrooms, now every room in the house has a flashlite. Nephew went a step further and put up these cool lights in the garages that come on when the power is out, so there will be no stumbling around in the garage either.
    I also found a resource that makes these cool small size fire grates to put in your fireplaces so that you can cook there if need be. Decided to buy one and see how it works out………..more on that later if I find it worthwhile.
    Made a list for the next Costco trip.
    Found a mouse trying to make a nest in the corner of my garage. The tiny little thing actually stood up on it’s hind legs and chattered at me, like I was interfering and trespassing. Since it was showing such bravery I shooed it into a can and when I went for a walk later that day I turned it loose in a field. Any bets on whether if beat me back to the house?
    I agree! These folks that comment so often here being silent is a worry! Hope they are all alright. I too miss Lintpicker’s humor! I sure hope he is ok! Nor Cal Ray, I need to get back to you on the stuff we talked about before Christmas…Look for an email this week. And I sincerely hope that you catch those thieves!
    My local ACE store had a guy come in during broad daylight a week ago today and pick up a DeWalt tool set in a case, grabbed a couple of other tools and then ran right out the front door with the store’s little cashier in hot pursuit! I witnessed the whole thing! The cashier got the license plate of the car. I hope that they get caught! Seems like it was a pretty desperate move to do that and think that they might not get caught. Four of us customers and the cashier all got a good look at him as well as the female driver waiting outside in the car!
    I have read a couple of interesting books the last couple of weeks, Deep Winter and Shatter by TC Sherry, which uses a volcanic eruption and earthquakes as well as a financial meltdown as examples of how to survive. Kind of thought provoking in a few places. Also reading the The Crash Course…… And since it just came out on Dish, watched Contagion this afternoon……..went right along with Gayle’s posts on the flu………..
    Tomorrow it is off to the gun range for some practice and then a gun cleaning party. Also ordered up a small shotgun and a 22 based upon the recommendations of NorCal Ray for my grandson. So for it only being the 7th of January………I have been busy!

  56. Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

    I’m baa-aaack! Went AWOL in order to look at real estate in Nevada. Got home this evening at 7pm. This is a long story, so please grab a cup of joe or a cold one and sit back and relax – or you can skip this comment altogether.

    OK, so on December 28th (the Thursday before New Year’s Eve), I slipped on a wet floor and a loose door mat at a store and severely twisted my right ankle and sprained or strained all the joints on my right side. Fortunately, everything healed quickly – except my ankle. It was swollen, painful, black & blue, and I thought I might need to have surgery to repair torn/severed ligaments or tendons. It was not until Wednesday, January 4th, that I was able to get into the doctor’s office. He pronounced good news – no surgery needed. However, he told me to use crutches, an Ace bandage, Tylenol, and an ankle boot (soft cast) to keep my ankle from getting worse. So on my way home from the doctor’s office, I drove through the driveup at the pharmacy and bought all the stuff the doctor suggested, and went home.

    My friends, Liz and Bill, came over to see how I was doing and I told them I had to stay off my ankle or the doctor would skin me alive, so we were deciding what to pick up for dinner when the phone rang. It was a call from one of the real estate brokers I had contacted a few weeks ago. He told me he had found “the perfect place” for me in Northern Nevada. I had given each real estate broker a list of “must haves” and a list of “would like to haves” and this guy told me he found a place with EVERYTHING I WANTED AND NEEDED. Well, that was great, but this wasn’t my first rodeo so I knew better than to take his word for it so I asked for photos and details to be emailed to me. Within an hour, the broker had sent me quite a few photos and more details. The place looked very good, so I thought about it as my friends went to pick up some chicken from the Safeway store for our dinner together.

    While the 3 of us ate dinner and talked about their recent loss of their income (their thrift shop had been burglarized and vandalized 3 times in 18 months, so by the end of 2011 they sold their entire remaining inventory to another thrift shop owner and they didn’t renew their lease on the building), I told them that I was seriously thinking about moving out of California due to all the commies in Sacramento and the morons and illegals who vote for them (YES, illegals vote in this state because there is no requirement to prove citizenship in order to register to vote – all you have to prove is residency, which is easy to prove if you have a cable tv bill mailed to your street address or some other utility bill) . And I most likely couldn’t afford to live here any longer due to the upcoming increases in property taxes, state income tax, etc. So we talked about how things are going to hell here and how we were all at a crossroads in our lives. I told them the real estate broker who had called before they went to get the chicken had followed through and sent some photos and details about a place , but I can’t go out to see it because I can’t drive that far.

    I assure you all, I was in no way hinting that my friends should drive me to Nevada, but as soon as the words left my lips, both Bill & Liz said they wanted to take me and they would like to do some picking (buying antiques) on the way back. They said it would be a fun trip and a win-win for all of us. How could I refuse??? Plus, the weather has been very dry so now was a good time to look at Nevada property. So we finished our dinner, they went home to pack their RV and I hobbled around getting my clothes and stuff together. They picked me up at 9pm that night and we were off on our little adventure.

    Have you ever tried to sleep in a rocking and rolling motorhome as it manuevers the curves and steep grades over the Sierras? It ain’t easy! They have an older 32′ Winnebago which they intend to live in while they travel the country looking for antiques this coming Spring and Summer. I got to sleep while they took turns driving all through the night. It was not easy staying in bed, but somehow we survived the trip to Winnemucca and got into town at around 9am Thursday morning. I called the broker to tell him I was in town. He was one surprised guy to see me gimping around on crutches, and my two friends in their old motorhome. He said we’d have to go out to the place in his Toyota FJ Cruiser 4×4. [Side note: that Cruiser was cool!]

    So he drove us out to a singlewide newer mobile home on a foundation with a couple of outbuildings and a springhouse. It was 12 flat acres carved out of the side of a mountain and a view of the valley below. The elevation was 4,000′ and there was no snow on the ground, which he told us was very unusual since at this time of year there would normally be about 6-7 inches of snow on the ground at that altitude. (I have to do some research online to find out if that is an accurate estimate.) The nearest neighbor was a young couple with 3 kids who seemed to be good people since they kept their place neat and tidy and their fencing was sturdy (don’t want their cattle getting into my garden, if I buy the place). They built their house on the far side of their parcel, which was another good thing.

    Here’s the list of criteria I gave each broker some weeks ago:
    Minimum of 5 acres, with all rights (mineral, water, access)
    No liens or encumbrances of any type, with the exception of foreclosure or short sale.
    Completely Fenced perimeter
    2 water sources – spring, well, river, stream, farm pond, or lake
    Within 15 miles of a community with a population not to exceed 15,000 as of the 2010 census.
    Not to exceed 5,500′ elevation
    House, mobile home, or modular home must be move-in ready. If no form of house is onsite, then a building site must be available.
    Access must be paved, graveled or at least bladed and no steeper than 5% grade.
    Mature trees on a portion of the property
    Adjoining Federal or State lands (USFS, BLM, State Game Refuge, etc)
    Must not be on a ridgeline or in a valley. (too windy and too much snow on a ridgeline, and too much smog or smoke and possibility of flooding in some of the valleys)
    Power, Propane, and Phone would be good, but not requirements
    Price not to exceed $150,000.

    So the place the real estate broker showed us fulfilled everything on the lists. It had a good spring that produced 5 gallons per minute, plus there was a small farm pond that was fed by the overflow of the spring. There was also a large storage tank for the spring water and a gravity-feed plumbing system to the house and small shop, barn, and water trough. The water to the buildings had been shut off to avoid freezing in the pipes, but I saw no problems with anything and was assured the pipes were buried 3 feet deep. The perimeter fencing was in great condition and the corral and pens were in good shape, too. The house was in need of a few minor repairs, but it had been vacant for several months and the weather over the summer had done some minor damage. There was a small grove of pine trees on the far corner of the parcel, and the road was county-maintained. No personal income taxes in Nevada and the sales tax is much lower than where I live now.

    There is electricity at the property and a big propane tank. The phone line is underbuilt on the power poles, so I got everything I need for now and the opportunity to install solar and wind generation as money permits in the future. The farm pond looks like it needs some cleaning out because its got some brush in it, but that would be low on the priorities list as far as I’m concerned.

    My friend, Bill, got a sample of the spring water so I could send it out for testing. I forgot my camera, so I didn’t take any photos and my friends don’t have smart phones (neither do I). But we thought the place was about 80% of what I needed and wanted. The soil is the only real problem because its rocky and not particularly fertile. And the majority of the acreage is mountainside – above the flat area and below it – the house, outbuildings, and corral areas are carved out of the mountainside. So there is only about 3 acres that is actually useable. That could be OK, though, since I’m not intending to grow food for an army, just me and a few others if necessary. The asking price is $139,000 which still sounds too high to me.

    On the way back home, we stopped at a few yard sales, a couple antique and thrift stores, a used book store, a few pawn shops, and in Boomtown (West of Reno, NV) we had an early dinner and did a little gambling. The casino had a wheel chair I could barrow, so I wheeled myself around the casino and into the dining room like the old geezer that I am. I may have to start carrying a pink flashlight since I am definitely not the man I used to be. sniffle, sniffle, wimper, whine.

    Now I have lots of online research to do before I get back to the broker with an answer. Right now I’m thinking NO, but I need to think over everything carefully and discuss this with family and a couple other friends, including my friend who owns a ranch not far from me. He will give me the feedback I really need.

    To all who worried about my whereabouts or my health – thank you so much. Didn’t know you’d even notice I was gone. Truly, thank you for the good wishes and the concern.

    To those who are sick or facing surgery, my best wishes and prayers go out to all of you. It sucks to be less than 100%. I know how you feel.

    To the newcomers, welcome to the Wolf Pack. Glad that more people are waking up and digging in.

    I know I’m forgetting something, but I’m tired and need to get some sleep. Later.

    • Lint Picker,

      Welcome back – we all thought you might have passed or become seriously ill. Glad we were wrong…

      • I am really glad you’re OK. NorCal Ray will be glad too, because apparently a bunch of us have been calling him to check on you.

        Will keep up the prayers for swift healing for your ankle.

        I know this will sound like a nagging wife – but can I ask any of our regular contributors to let us know if they are going to be out of town for more than a few days – and ESPECIALLY after reporting a serious injury???

        Hugs to you all.

    • Cool trip! Glad you’re OK, friend!

    • Lint,

      We were all worried about you. Glad you are back. Next time you fall so badly that you can’t go to the store and get yourself some Tylenol, and decide to take a road trip, let us know so we don’t worry about you–least we take away your flashlights for a week. 🙂

    • templar knight says:

      Dude, you must report your comings and goings to the Wolfpack. From now on. J/K Glad to have you back. And quite the interesting story. Now, I’m off to church, and will say a prayer for that ankle.

    • texasmomma says:

      So glad to hear you were off having an adventure!!! Lots of worried folks here. Welcome back

    • Glad you’re back LP, we missed you. Can you tell?

    • Lint: Look up properties on Realtor.com and get some comps. I’d see what property was selling for in the area. Most properties these days are foreclosures or short-sales so the comps are pretty low. If you are buying from a bank they do not have to disclose any KNOWN facts: water perk, septic problems, etc. etc. If you are buying from a private party you want a perk test, septic inspection, well test (e-coli and other nasties). I would also want the seller to pay half of the buyers closing costs…it is a Buyers market! I’m a Real Estate broker in California, but I have worked with a number of California sellers that were buying in Nevada and Montana. I think the property sounds fantastic…I love the area you are looking at. Set your *bottom line* price…offer 15-20% less and then go from there. Don’t get emotionally involved with the property…set the goal. If it’s a bank owned property be prepared to wait up to 18 months or MORE before getting the deal to close. My last real estate transaction took 24 months…I was so frustrated after the close I shut the doors to my office and headed home…four years unemployed…and I loved every minute of it…couldn’t get me back in the real estate business for love or money…not in this economic environment…I just hate banks.

      Glad to hear you are ok and that you were just out galavanting around! Did you make it to Cabela’s while in Boomtown?

      • worrisome says:

        Zillow.com is another good real estate site

      • templar knight says:

        I’m curious, Lynda, why do you hate banks?

        • I guess I should have said I hate working with banks. They aren’t *people* so it’s easy for one person to pass you on to another, and another and another and it takes forever to get anything done. I always found working with a lending institution the least favorite part of my real estate career…and when the *liar loans* came out I washed my hand of the whole process you had to be BLIND to not see what was coming down the pike… Recently I took all of my money out of the several banks I had accounts with…I now do all of my business with cash. It’s saving me a ton of money…I don’t use credit or debit cards, so I think twice before spending the green stuff. I did run into a problem renting a car in North Carolina over the holidays, tho. I ended up just taking a taxi and public transportation…again I saved a bundle, met some awesome people and had a great time. Oh…in my family I’m the only one that took my money out…the Husband and sons (farmer dudes) still use the banks.

          • templar knight says:

            I understand, Lynda, and after reading my comment I thought to myself, “that’s really none of your business why Lynda hates banks”. I thought maybe it might be the same reason I find them less than satisfactory. I used to go to the bank, tell them I wanted such and such amount of money, and they would just issue me a cashier’s check for the amount, no questions asked. Now, it’s like jumping through hoops to get a loan, with reams of paperwork to fill out and sign. My wife and I recently moved all our money, etc. to a Credit Union. We have been very satisfied with the move. Lower rates and better service for the most part.

            By the way, my nephew and his wife live in Bakersfield, and he manages a farming operation(citrus, table grapes, etc.) in the valley. He works for a man and his two sons, the two sons being totally disinterested in the day-to-day operation of the farm.

    • Lint- Glad to know that you are ok. But gee, you couldnt send a note! LOL. I think we were getting ready to send out a search party for you.
      I hope that either this property or another works out for you.

    • mountain lady says:

      Have to admit that “out looking for a new place” was one of my first thoughts when I heard that you were missing. That was before I heard of your accident. My first thought when I heard about the new 400-500 laws the legislature passed, was, I gotta get out of here. I cannot, but you can. Do yourself a favor and look at, at least, one more property before making any decision. I now wish I had thought out a few more things before I bought this land, but I fell in love with the view, lol.

    • MtWoman (N Texas) says:

      Glad you’re ok Lint Picker, and have a possible new place.

    • Lint, glad you are ok, thought I was going to have to follow the flashlights/beacon to see if were ok. Sounds like a good place, they will most drop the asking price if no one bites

    • Lint, With all the fraudclosure stuff (not recording the deed with the county, not doing the foreclosure legally, etc), I’m not even considering a foreclosure since a court may give the property back to the original owner. Each state is different but Nevada is one of the biggest foreclosure states and a lot of shady stuff happens.

      • David,

        Isn’t there some kind of insurance (deed insurance) or something that you can get to cover this? My mom has been in the mortgage industry for 30+ years and had me get this. She said living in the South, you need this. You don’t know whose land was taken by the Clan and who might show up to reclaim it. Maybe it’s called title insurance. I can’t remember. But it would be a good thing to look into–if someone knows what it’s called.

        • Title insurance protects you from any prior claims. But because of the uncertainties with bankruptcies and possible court ordered clawbacks, I have seen reports that title companies are refusing to issue insurance, too much risk. Do a web search for “title insurance fraudclosure”.

          • David,

            Wow. This is a mess.

          • I saw that on Foreclosure fraud dot org or another site. It’s a mess if you’re trying to buy a foreclosed property and many ex-owners are squatting on the properties with an adverse possession filing. We’ve now ruled out foreclosed properties.

    • worrisome says:

      Glad to hear you are ok lint! Could you leave your cell phone number with Md so when we all get worriedabout you we can have a way for him to call you?

    • Lint:
      Glad you’re back! Great sounding road trip. We are about 22 months from paying off the house in town, so I hope things hold together until then. DW and I will be looking for something similar to what you found, so I appreciate you listing your requirements so we have a place to start with our own list.

    • Hunker-Down says:

      Lint Picker,

      How long has the property been for sale? Are there any bills like R/E tax coming due that they will have to pay if the property doesn’t sell?
      Do you have any emotions pulling you toward this property? Remember, you owe no loyalty to this realtor, don’t allow yourself to make a decision that is influenced by any perceived loyalty to him.
      They want $139000. Find out who ‘they’ are. If the owner lived there, they will have emotional attachments. If someone inherited it offer 65K, that’s found money for them.
      If its owned by a bank, offer 65K and be prepared to wait. Your offer will have an expiration date, but in my area banks ignore that little issue.
      If its been on the market for 3 years, offer 65K. If the realtor balks at making the offer, report him and make the offer through another realtor. Make the offer good for only 2 days. If it is turned down as you would expect it to be, wait a month then offer another 7k. If it is turned down, wait a month and offer 2k less than your last offer.
      If its been on the market for 2 years, offer 85k and wait a month until your next offer.
      Another good time to make an offer is 6 weeks before R/E taxes are due.
      If you get a counter offer, don’t take it, counter back at a lesser number or don’t respond, just let it expire.
      When your realtor calls you with any sort of sellers response (except a bank) tell him he needs to get a time extension from the seller because you already committed to look at a place in Oregon.

      Of course, use numbers that make sense to you, I just wanted to throw out a few strategies. I have bought and sold just under 50 and these techniques have softened sellers on their ‘bottom price’. I stopped about 10 years ago, and today’s market is like nothing I have experienced.

      Deals are like cheese, they need to age.

      Oh, by the way…
      No wonder you think you’re a cougar. Cats don’t herd well. The next time you fall on your brains and tell us you cant get out of the house to get a bottle of aspirin, LET US KNOW IF YOU LEAVE THE HOUSE!

      • Hunker-Down…good info re negotiation…

        also, Lint said he was a puma.

        And you got it right…about can’t leave to get aspirin, and then ends up going AWOL in an RV – and then onto a casino, no less.

        Too funny.

    • SrvivlSally says:

      Something felt like it was missing around here. But when you returned the sun came out and the birds started singing again. 🙂

    • "Big Jim" says:

      Welcome back man , hope you recover promptly and find the place you envision !

    • lint, you had us worried. glad your back and feeling better.

    • axelsteve says:

      Hey Lint!! I am glad that you are not permentaly injured. I was wondering if you were ok. I am glad that you are. Steve

    • Copperhead says:

      Soooo glad you’re back and o.k. We all did worry about you!
      Good luck on buying a property just like you want and/or need.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Yikes, I was only gone for 4 days, but I do appreciate the concern. The Wolf Pack rocks!

      Now that I’ve re-read my original comment, I see all kinds of errors in it. The property I looked at is 4,800′ elevation, not 4,000. I think the town of Winnemucca is over 4,000 in elevation and the property overlooks the town. The property is 12 acres, but only 3 acres were flat. Apparently the place had been a lay-down yard for a lumbering operation and they cut in the road and flattened an area for equipment storage and as a log landing. The pond was probably part of the operation, too. Then the county paved the road because it became a ranchette area. The small stand of trees is testament to what used to be up on that mountainside. It’s unusual to have any large trees in that part of Nevada, so that was one aspect of the property that really appealed to me.

      I am not sold on this particular parcel. It has a lot of good points, but it seems too open and vulnerable. I think I’ll keep looking. This was the first place I got a call-back about, so I’m not rushing into anything. My current house is paid for, so I’m not going to get into debt to buy anything else.

      Thanks for the advice and the prayers – God knows I can use both. 🙂

      If only I could meet each and every one of you and say THANK YOU!

      • Cliff in Douglasville says:

        Welcome back Lint. Glad you are OK.
        Before you scratch off the mountain cut property, take a look at constructing a cave home back in to the mountain. Having a straight cut back in to the mountain would be a good start at hallowing out a nice underground home with some nice frontage looking out on the flat area. Just a thought.
        Anyway, missed you, worried about you, and glad you are back.

      • templar knight says:

        Lint, we have seen an uptick of Californians coming to NW and No. Central Arkansas. Not many, but a gradual growth according to the locals. What we don’t want here are people who want to turn our area into the type of area these people are now abandoning due to a ripening of a certain type of philosophy. I think you know what I mean. Your philosophy of low taxes, small government, self-suffient folks willing to help each other in times of crisis would fit in well here. The only downside for some folks is the religious aspect of living here. The county I live in is dry(that means no liquor sales), activities revolve around churches, schools routinely say prayers at events(which irritates some people), outdoor activities are the norm, and there are no clubs, discos, dancehalls, etc. Kinda boring, but that’s the way I love it. You might want to give it a look-see. I think the Mountain View/Mountain Home areas are the best(Calico Rock is the nearest town to me), but some people like the Flippin/Gassville area, too. South Central Missouri is also a great place for a retreat, along Bull Shoales Lake and away from the Branson area. This is an overlooked area in my opinion, and will be an up and coming retreat locale.

        • cosmolined says:

          templar knight:
          Two years ago I found family in Russelville. AR is just FANTASTIC! Everywhere I went, folks were polite and asked if I’d like to shoot out the backdoor! ROTFL. Here in Kalifornia, we’d all be in jail. (That freedom thing is scary here.) I’m from Wyoming, so I kind of missed it. Looking forward to being a neighbor in two years if the world holds together that long….. Cos

          • templar knight says:


            My oldest son went to college at Arkansas Tech in Russellville, so I know the area very well as I spent many weekends there over the four years he was in college(2004-2008). I love the Russellville area, folks are great there, and it is a wonderful place to live.

            There is a nuclear power plant just outside Russellville, it is on I-40, and it is not too far from the major growth area of Conway/Greenbriar. These are things that would affect you were there a complete collapse, but other than that one scenario Russellville is just about perfect other than the nuclear plant. I’m about 135 miles away to the NE over the mountains, but would love to meet up and welcome you. I love the Old South Diner in Russellville as a meet-up place. Welcome.

            • TK, how is Russleville now days? My dad lived out there as well as Little Rock and East Point in the late 50s and early 60s, I think I may have mentioned it before. I have some family in the Ozarks as well. I remember one town off the 40 we hit a small mom and pop diner and the waitress apologized to my dad on the delay for his fried chicken, the cook had a hard time catching the chicken. The look on my face, I thought they were telling the truth and still don’t doubt it lol.

            • templar knight says:

              Jarhead, I haven’t been to Russellville in the last year or so, but it’s growing. The university there has seen a dramatic increase in students from 6600 when my son left in 2008 to around 10,000 students today. There has been economic growth as well. Of course, the nuclear power plant(2 1000 megawatt units) is a major employer. Tourism is also a growth industry, as the Arkansas River runs through Russellville, a large lake(Lake Dardanelle) is nearby, and Mt. Nebo and Mt. Magazine provide camping and outdoor activities. There are also rivers in the area that have whitewater canoeing and kayaking. The hunting is also pretty good, with duck and deer hunting the best. There is also an elk herd to the north, but hunting is only allowed through a statewide lottery system with a small number of tags available. But I enjoyed watching and listening to the elk in the fall of the year during the rut. Pretty nice place overall.

            • Muddy Fork says:

              Hey!! Don’t make it sound too good!! When had too many out of staters buy up properties in the Ozarks back during Y2K, we don’y need to start that again. Many of the old Y2K places have never been visited by the out of state owners. You can find them for sale on a regular basis. From what I have seen they tend to be set up for passive solar and may not have power to them but it is normally close. We love it here, just wish we were farther from town.

      • Lint, something I am sure you have thought of already but dont forget to check into the local and state laws while you are checking out the property. when I moved from Colorado to Texas I almost got myself into trouble a couple of times because the laws here are vastly different then there.

    • Chonte' in MD says:

      Welcome back lint!!!

    • breadmomma says:

      lint baby…glad to see you back….for your garden…two words…raised beds…no need for a lot of quantity if you can grow quality…raised beds work wonderful…you control the soil in your boxes…can be made from wood, cinderblock or even rocks…
      we terraced a garden in Blair Ne with rock…it looked like a dry creek bed but they were actually raised beds…hiding in plain site…
      I too have been not to chatty of late..my DH blew out his back and is laid up pretty bad…so bad that he lost 20 lbs…no appetite…
      no surgery needed, but he will be a hurting guy for a couple of months so that has slowed our progress down…
      this week preps- I start the EMT program here locally at the school…I will be taking the basic courses to get the certification so I can be more useful med wise…
      re-organized preps…did an inventory…plenty of grub…located a local Mormon source…no local cannery….HOWEVER he and his are serious Wolf types, so he owns his own canning equipment and we will be doing some serious canning in about a month…a great way to store a lot of my beans, grains, etc…
      quite a few of the local VFD are quiet preparedness folks…we are slowly discovering this and it kind of gives us all a bit of the chuckles…many are hunters and we talk about that subject…I thought I had some preps, but these guys put me to shame…sweeeeet!!
      I have one of the few boats however so I am glad to have it always on the ready in case the Cascadia decides to cork off, or the bridges go…hopefully being about 120 above sea level and out of the tsunami zone will be enough…
      anyhow, glad you are back Lint…that part of Nevada is great…I have some dear friends in that general area…
      and the nights are nice and dark…lots of stars to light your way, along with your flashlights!

      • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

        breadmomma, I am sorry to read that your husband has a bad back. I’m sure your tender care will nurse him back to good condition soon. Don’t forget to take care of yourself while tending to him. Hang in there dear lady.

    • LP
      I admit I scrolled all the way through the comments looking for this one. Glad to see you’re doing well and hope you get the use of the ankle back soon. I’m sure I wasn’t the only one who was clearing their schedule to be part of the first Wolfpack rescue operation. Damn, Lint, we had Texans ready to enter California to get you. Now that says something about the pack.
      For prepping we are hot on the trail of our hunker down property and I think I’ve found some real winners. Still have a lot of time before we are ready to jump but we want to make sure we get all the bases covered. Just to reiterate a point from Lint’s story, when buying property always know about mineral, water and timber rights as well as liens. Don’t take a realtor’s word for anything. I have also been in that rodeo.
      With Christmas and the stories of better economy, employment numbers it looks like a lot of people have lightened up in their prepping. I think it’s the calm before the storm. The trillions of dollars of debt didn’t just go away because retailers had a good holiday season. Now is the time to double the efforts and fill in the gaps. May the good Lord shine on you and yours. You are all in my prayers.

      • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

        mexneck, it would be a real culture shock for a Texan to come into California. I’m not sure which culture would be most shocked, though. ROFLMAO.

        I totally agree with you, now is no time to slack off on prepping. TDL is pulling out all the stops and doing everything possible to convince Americans that Happy Days Are Here Again. Don’t believe it!!!! Wolf Pack, you have to keep prepping to the best of your abilities because the worst is yet to come. But do not go into debt to do it.

    • Lint welcome back…good to hear you are on the mend…

      We all missed you…and of course we noticed you were gone…you are one of the first to welcome new preppers, offer advice and congratulations, great sense of humour evident in your posts etc.

      Best wishes on a speedy recovery.

      By the way, good list of ‘must haves’ on the property. cheers.

      • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

        Thank you, chloe. I didn’t think I was gone that long, but it’s always nice to be missed….and even nicer to be welcomed back. 🙂

    • Lint Picker, I am relatively new to the site but it sounds like from all the posts that you have lots of people on here that were concerned about your well being. I am also a Nor Cal resident and am seeking a second bug out location. I thought about the Nevada option but am frankly concerned about getting through I -80 or one of the mountain passes that are typically closed in the winter. Thanks for sharing your criteria as I will be looking at 4 properties on this side of the Sierras in the next two weeks. There is one in particular that I like but is only solar powered (which may be just fine WTSHTF). I will report back my findings and seek your and others opinions on what I learn.

  57. Michigan Bob says:

    Our prepping for the week only consisted of driving North and taking a look at a piece of property for our bug out location. It had over 600’ of frontage on a nice fast moving creek, but my wife was spooked by a tree that was heavily clawed by a bear. I think the city girl hadn’t considered anything other than rabbits, squirrels or an occasional white tail deer.

    • We have bears and mt. lions too. Having a dog or two is our best defense. We have Pyrenees and a blue heeler. I don’t like NOT having my dog with me, and my daughter is not allowed to play outside without hers.

      • I have almost hit a black bear and a gator in my truck (on two separate occasions). I totaled my first truck hitting a deer.

        • Gayle,
          I hit so many deer one winter (well they hit me!) my husband threatened to put a grill with spikes on my truck. It would have made it easier, thats for sure. My friend hit a baby black bear in his motorcycle and almost died. The little bear sheared off his handle bars and it’s fur was in his helmet!
          I ran over a gator when was 16 going through Louisiana. I was terrified and sat by the side of the road crying. Silly kid. LOL.

    • axelsteve says:

      Tell her that the bear will be your new rug.

      • Michigan Bob says:

        It is funny that you said that. When we arrived to look at the property I thought about putting my gun on my hip and then said naw, we are in the middle of no where. When I was looking at the 3 different trees that were clawed I wished I would have had the Glock. I looked for tracks and then decided that my best place to go was back to the vehicle.

        • templar knight says:

          Michigan Bob,

          I went deer hunting late one afternoon, and about dusky dark when I decided to come home I got off the stand and was surrounded by a pack of coyotes. I had a scoped Remington M-700 in .270 win. cal. with 3 rounds in it. And it was pitch dark by then, and I couldn’t see a thing, but I could hear the coyotes moving all around me. I fired one shot and spooked them long enough for me to get to my 4-wheeler. I’ve never gone hunting or in the woods again without one of my handguns. And extra ammo.

          • Muddy Fork says:

            I had the same issue bowhunting but it was a pack of wild dogs. I dropped my bow and climbed a tree till they left. They spooked me and will not go into the woods without a handgun any more. I don’t like being hunted!

  58. I only started prepping food stores seriously about a year ago, and in the beginning concentrated on getting some MREs and water which gave me a pice of mind that I had some emergency food stocked. I slowly started adding canned goods and pasta and rice and oil, yeast, salt, stuff like that. Over the past few months after watching a show called “extreme couponing” and reading Gayle’s article: “Tactical vs. Strategic Shopping” , I now can’t wait until Sunday to get my coupons and search the weekly store ads and plan out my coupon deals for the week. You can get so much more by buying items when they are on sale and matching coupons – it is great! If anyone hasn’t read that article by Gayle, I suggest you look it up in the archives – very useful money-saving info.

    • Thanks, Donna. I hate spending more than I need to on groceries. Now I have a year’s supply of food and I have nearly cut my grocery bill in half.

    • Donna,

      You don’t have to wait until Sunday morning to see what’s on sale the next week. Log onto couponmom.com and hit “upcoming sales”. My favorite day is Tuesday. When I get home from work I log on to see what will be on sale BOGO at Publix the following week. Then I plan my attack.

  59. urielsword says:

    We bought a 25lb back of rice. It is important, in my opinion, to eat what you stock up on.
    We also keep some of the metal cans from pasta sauce and soup we eat.

  60. Mother Earth says:

    Was able to add a small amount of preps this week. Added baking powder, flour and handkerchiefs to my stores. Our beef was killed and we will process Saturday. That will have my freezer at capacity. Received essential oils for a Christmas present, so I’m researching their uses.

    MD, it’s inspiring how well you take care of your mother. I too have a close relationship with my sons and bet she just beams with pride talking about you.

    My prayers for Lint, I took a fall this week and was lucky just to have a slight sprain in my ankle. Good grief, I felt so shocked but the good news is…I didn’t rip my jeans! Having to replace a good pair of jeans because of my clumsyness would have really upset me.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Thanks for the prayers, Mother Earth. Hope your ankle is good-to-go again by now. Take it easy. Mine is getting better each day – I can finally wear a slipper on my foot now. Yippee!

  61. I’ve been focusing more on frivolous things than preps. Ragu was on sale and I shouldn’t need more than a few more jars until tomatoes come into season and I can try to eliminate one more commercial food. Once I have the kitchen clean, I’m going to try homemade ramen through the pasta machine.

    Hubby bought more brewing equipment, but the cooler he made the mashton out of could still be used as a cooler. We also found a free minifridge on the curb, so we didn’t have to spend for the most expensive parts of a lager cabinet.

  62. texasmomma says:

    Hubby got a doe hunting last week. This week he made venison jerky. Yumm. He is headed out to get two more before hunting season is over here in Texas. When he gets back, more jerky and I will pull out the pressure canner and get busy. I have been trying recipes and my son (age 5) has yet to find out that he is eating venison. He keeps telling me it is gooood chicken. Although at this point I think he is past worrying about bambi. My 11 dtr never had issues with it, she has been ready to hunt since 5. She got a 22 pink rifle for Christmas and thinks that is super cool. She has already put a couple hundred rounds through it and has been itching to go back to the range.
    This week I made the decision to get rid of my guest room. I donated the furniture to a needy family from church and got some additional shelving from Costco. That will now be my food storage room. Food storage had taken over the office and was kinda hard to make sure nobody saw it. The door opens to the foyer and it was hard to keep the doors closed when people would stop by. We are still in the process of moving everything from room to room. I never realized how much I have accumulated. Makes me feel more secure.
    MD this site is so helpful. I really appreciate your efforts.

    • Ha! Ha! I had to turn an extra bedroom into food storage last year! I just love walking into that room now…lots of shelves and lots of canned goods. I keep my mill, canning supplies and cheese making supplies there, too. I had a key lock installed so no one can go snooping. My grown kids go *shopping* about once a week. I don’t purchase many preps…most of my foodstuffs are grown/raised/foraged/bartered by me.

      • Plant Lady says:

        Me too! When we had to put Gramps in the nursing home, his room (the master bedroom) became our storage room. Like Lynda, moreso supplies/equipment than food at this point. Have 11 of those nice 36″w x 16″d x 72″h metal shelving units from Walmart/Kmart that hold 250 lbs. per shelf – so with 5 shelves each unit will hold 1,250 lbs.! Geesh, just the beer/wine/cider equipment takes up 3 units.
        Suppose I should put locks on the doors…but I really don’t invite casual acquaintences to our home…just close friends and family. And they already know what is in there!
        Of course, this spring, the “storage room” will hopefully become the new “survival: kitchen…and the old kitchen become the storeroom. Ouch…my back hurts just thinking about moving all that stuff!

        • My house is like Grand Central Station. I have lots of kids and grandkids…and they have their in-laws and friends over for all the holidays and family activities…etc. Being an old time farm family does have it’s disadvantages…but I wouldn’t trade my life for the world.

  63. I have most of the needed items being a backpacker and extreme camper. I also love cooking on these outings and have the needed items also. My many duty is to gather everything together and index. I received my Big Burkey water unit this past week and now waiting on new portable communications base station.

  64. The Prepper says:

    I want to thank the person that posted the honey flax seed bread recipe. We have been baking it for several months now and I absolutely love it! Haven’t boughten store bread since this gem fell into our lap. Do you happen to have any tips on getting the bread to rise?

  65. MD – no apologies necessary. And, I echo everyone’s sentiment: family first! I’m glad to hear you could help your mom. She’s a lucky lady!

    The preps have been a bit low, at least in food and gear. We had to replace our 21 year-old water heater this week. Ouch, $500. I’m tired of our emergency fund taking a beating – fallen tree, awning, head gasket, water heater. It’s always something! But, I’m glad that we’ve not accumulated ANY new debt because of those issues.

    – Blogs, news, videos.
    – Worked MANY hours at all of the jobs in an effort to repay the emergency fund.
    – Gathered a few printouts for the grab-n-go binder.
    – Gathered together old toys, and even older clothing for donation.
    – Grocery shopping last week: we stayed well under budget. Not many extras except for some soup and cooking oil.
    – Practiced knot tying.
    – Working towards reading the entire bible this year. I’ve read bits and pieces here and there over the years, but never really knew how to tackle the whole thing. I stumbled across a website that offers MANY options on where to begin. You can choose your favorite version (I counted 22 english versions), a reading plan (beginning to end, chronological, historical, etc), and a starting date. For those interested, here’s the site: http://www.ewordtoday.com/year/

    QUESTION: I can’t seem to locate the advice a member shared recently… I want to clean the hard water stains from a previously-owned water canner. Was it just plain vinegar? And, just let it sit in the pot overnight? Please, reenlighten me! Thanks.

    And that’s the way it is… My prayers go out to those of you facing a rough road or stuck inside convalescing. Please, enjoy the remainder of your weekend and make it a great week. Y’all are the bomb! Síochán leat!

    • Hunker-Down says:

      Good luck with the stained water caner.
      Just cover the bottom with vinegar and let it soak overnight. Rub out the loosened material. For the round sides just tip the pot enough that the vinegar covers the stain, let it sit overnight. Turn the tipped pot to a new section, let it sit overnight. Repeat until full circle. I reused the prevoius days vinegar.
      That was my experience, yours will be different depending on the minerals in the water in your area.

      If it doesn’t work, here are some more methods.

  66. Busy working on 10 lbs of tomatoes to can, dehydrating cabbage, onions, and celery. Got a good deal on bacon 10 lbs for 14.99. Got one box and will go back to see if they have anymore and will can these. 10 lbs of pork chops for 11.99 and chicken thighs for .99/lb to can as well. Planned on cooking out with the solar oven today, but Texas weather thinks otherwise.

    Planning on a trip to big D next weekend and hopefully will get to hunt through some thrift stores. I really need more canning jars. Took 15 flats to BOL over Christmas holidays and put underground :). Got my pasta machine in this week, but haven’t gotten it together to make pasta…maybe later this week.

    Continuing to print off information and put it in binders. Keeping car gassed up and ready to go in case. Wishing you all a blessed prepping week and prayers to those that are sick, looking at surgery, or need that extra blessing. Welcome to the new preppers–you will find a wealth of knowledge from these people. This place becomes a second family and all are so caring.

  67. riverrider says:

    question for the pack- how do you store ashes for making soap? i got a metal trash can for it due to possible embers, but thought twice as lye is caustic,right? would plastic be better? thanks.

    • I don’t store my ashes in anything…I have an ash pile. When I want to make lye I just shovel the ashes from the pile into a wooden 1/2 wine barrel and start the process. Hardwood ashes are the best for making lye so I keep two piles…pine and hardwood.

    • I can’t remember what type of metal the ash bucket was made of, but it lasted several years. I want to say it was a galvanized metal pail for the garden.

  68. Comfortable Survialist says:

    Came home from a month long business trip to find all of my holiday discount purchases waiting for me. A pair of 50 mile walkies, a new SOG 14in Tactical knife, rechargeable flashlight w/ holster, Jetboil camp stove, a Garmin GPS and a headlamp. Broke up with the girlfriend, and I returned the jewelry I bought her and bought a new hard drive to back up my archived webpages and PDF files. Any one know how to build a legit Faraday cage, bigger the better?

    • Comfortable Survialist:
      My plan for a Faraday Cage is a double door metal locker that I currently have my loose ammo in. I am planning to get a new cabinet for the ammo (one with metal shelves and a working lock) and put it where the current cabinet is. The old one has wooden shelves held up with wooden dowels. The cabinet will go into the basement and grounded. Short of building a screen room (we had one in the secure maintenance shop I worked it while in the service for checking classified equipment operation) this is probably the best I can hope for. If I can find the copper braiding I’m looking for I may make a grounded drape to go over the door.
      Currently I have a large ammo can (slightly larger than a 50 cal can) lined with 6mm foam and grounded to the hot water heating register that keeps my spare tablet and flash drive cards and memory cards in mylar bags; and hope for the best. Quality, consistent information on what is needed for EMP protection on non-active/connected electronic devises is virtually non-existent.
      Just finished “EMP Survival: …” and would not recommend buying the book. Borrow it and read the first 4 or so chapters. The rest is standard prep info.

      • Garden Mom says:

        JP in MT,
        I am trying to figure out a Faraday cage for a hand size 2-way radio. DH would have the base and other handset at home in a cage. I would have one handset at work in a Faraday cage. Is there a way to ground it if I am in an office. It has a concrete floor, is this like your basement floor? I have searched online, but I’m not finding anything yet to help me – any ideas? Thanks.

        • JP in MT……

          I read in one of the articles, on this site I believe, that grounding your Faraday cage is problamatic as the ground acts as an antenna which brings the EMT charge straight to your cage. I believe it was most likely in an article written by “Ohio Prepper”.

          • Hawkeye:
            EMP likes long wires, like antenna’s, power lines, etc. You ground wire should not be more than 3 feet in length. Without grounding you cage the charge has nowhere to go and you want it to go around your electronics, not hang around it.

            • JP in MT…..

              “Black Magic” to me! Never had much luck getting things electric through my gourd……

        • Garden Mom:
          Do you have a heater pipe or something else metal that is going into the ground. What we are looking for is an electrical ground, preferably an “Earth Ground”. Then you can put the radios in an insulated/lined metal box (ammo can, small fire safe box (has a lock and a key already). I used 6mm black foam that I got from the craft store in sheets that are about 8″ x 10″. This will keep the items inside from touching the container. EMP is like wireless electricity and conforms to basic electrical conductivity rules. The outside of the metal box will be electrified (not harmful to humans/animals) and then goes down the grounding braid or wire to whatever you have it grounded to (this give the electrical charge somewhere to go other than in your equipment).
          I have radiant heat in my house so those metal pipes full of water go down into my basement and are connected to a large cast iron coal fired water heater (that is now converted to gas) that sits on a dirt floor.
          If you are using a pipe or something similar make sure you scrap off the paint where you attach your ground to make a good contact. The old military buildings that I worked in for so many years had so much paint on them that they were non-conductive.
          Hope that helps.

        • Pineslayer says:

          If it’s just for one of those little radios, some say you can wrap it with bubble pack or a bandana, then wrap that up with some heavy duty foil. As long as the radio does not make contact with the outer skin, it should be fine. Such a small package would not gather much juice. An ammo can would be a good option, the rubber seal makes it water tight but, the outer skin must be continuous. So some good metal tape around the lid should work. Put the small pkg inside of the ammo can to double the protection along with other stuff for a bug out situation. Grounding “might” not be necessary. Bigger boxes should be grounded. Like JP I have read conflicting data. This would be my solution lacking lots of money. Good luck and now I have realized that it is time to stash some extra stuff. I’m thinking 55 gal metal barrel with a direct ground to the outside. Oh yea, I have read that we are being paranoid and that most stuff will be just fine. Probably brought to you by the same people that say the economy and our markets are just fine too.

    • c/survivalist – a microwave oven – with the cord cut off as close to the unit as possible…read that somewhere…

  69. Prep Now [ so. fl.] says:

    Had the new safe delivered and installed. Loaded the ammo and guns in it. Threw in some 5 gal bucket size packs of desiccant. I have more ammo than I thought.
    Planted some ginger root we got at the green market and some sage.
    Got some starter trays of cucumbers and bell peppers going now.[ 40 cucumber and 10 bell peppers] Will start some more tomatoes and romaine this week. Beans are about 12″ now. Look healthy despite the cooler weather.What I think are gnat larva have been doing a job on our leaf lettuce but don’t touch the Romaine or collards.
    Installed a rope trellis for the cukes to climb on, going to plant gr.onions in front of them. Finished digging out flowers for the new veggie beds and put down grub killer before we plant in a week or two. Have about room for a new 90′ row of veggies.
    We will be fixin some home grown salsa today. Everything off of our own plants,,, first time for us since we started prepping.
    Beautiful day of 71f, sunshine, a little breeze.
    Bought 6 more 28oz. jars of spaghetti sauce for storage at $1.37 ea.
    Ya’ll have a great week!

  70. ARK Prepper says:

    Worked on list of what we need to get bought an all hazards weather radio that works on battery’s got a bottle of Potassium Iodide Tabs and a bottle of Coconut oil gel tabs from GNC

  71. robert in mid michigan says:

    well no prepping this week went to work on the 3rd and was let go do to lack of work. was a temp employee so not much of a surprise. wife lost her job wednesday so we went into oh my go d mode and i spent the rest of the week looking for work. (i do not want to go back over the road) found a second shift job starting monday which will carry us through but wife needs to go back to work soon i hope.

    as we had no money to spare started looking around the house to see what could and needed to be done. would have been better off not doing that even more money to spend yeah. the biggest thing that i found was our fire prevention, alrm and escape plans needed some work. replaced batteries in the fire alarms we have and plan on buying 4 more so we can have them in every room in the house would liek co meters in them as well. biggest thing that scared me was the fact that my daughter cant get out of the house if the hallway upstairs is on fire with out jumping from the second floor, not sure she would do it. so bought a rope ladder from ace for this purpose.

    set up a book shelf in bedroom and sorted out all my books, notes and print outs. i have a lot more than i thought i did kind of scary. started working on turning 4 and 5 gallon buckets into self watering container’s for my add on to the garden this spring. will have 20 buckets, 8 of those large totes turned into earth tainers plus 240 sq foot of raised beds in the garden will have to see how that all works out.

    good luck to the pack and god bless
    lint glad your back hope this property or another one will make you happy
    have fun all and be safe

    • MtWoman (N Texas) says:

      Robert…I’m sure you’ve thought of this, but thought I’d mention it anyway: have your daughter use the ladder a few times before an emergency, so she’s comfortable with it. My father had to improvise an exit for me from the back of my 2nd-floor bedroom….some plywood on the jutting-out I-beams that hold the house up, and an aluminum extension ladder. I am very glad I’ve tried it a couple times….would be very awkward if I was adrenalized and trying it for the first time. And I think a rope ladder is more difficult to use (if that’s what you got). Just a thought.

      And good luck with the job/hunts…it’s tough times for sure.

      • robert in mid michigan says:

        yeah want her to do it but have got to get the window to open she has a hammer for breaking and has been instructed on how to do it blanket and such over the window. so that is this weeks job.

        it has ropes between the rungs would prepfer chains but that was more cash i just dont have.

        i got her to repel off a 40′ sand cliff a few years ago she liked but was not real crazy about it. if the fire isnt upstairs she can come to my room rite next door as we have the front porch below our window and thats only 10′ drop and got a ladder for our room as well. getting older sucks when i was in my 20s i would jump from that hieght and not think about it now,,,, well i might just lay thier on the ground.

        • MtWoman (N Texas) says:

          R in MM…you are doing a great job by having your daughter do these things. I’m impressed.

    • Hunker-Down says:


      We pray that both you and your wife find better jobs than the old ones. I’m impressed that you found productive tasks to do around the house. An attitude like that will soon find a grateful employer.

    • robert, i’m keeping my fingers crossed and saying prayer for you and the mrs. i’m sure it won’t be long before something comes along.

    • Robert, the rope ladder, is that similar to the chain ladder that rolls down and has built in steps and hooks to the window sill? If so, remember to inspect the rope from time to time, would hate for it to break, I have done a lot of rope climbing in my time and most injuries were due to not inspecting equipment. Two floors isn’t that high but it is still a fall none the less.

      Good call on the co detectors, a friend of mine was in the hospital due to a gas leak just before Christmas.

    • robert, good to see you are staying focused on the big picture…wishing better jobs for you and your wife…in the meantime, you are using your time productively…cheers.

    • robert in mid michigan says:

      to all of you who are remembering us i apreciate it a ton. just started coming back to god after a 28 year break do to loosing a child and it has filled a large hole in my life. i appreciate it and all of you are in my prayers.

      as far as staying busy, i dont know how to do anything else if i start watching tv ill loose my mind and its a short trip. everytime me and the wife have had problems was because i was trapped in the house after surgery on my knees or laid off i can go about a week then i have to work on something. how i got started in gardening actually.

      thx all and good luck
      first night on the new job i dont know how pwoplw do this shift, probably same as me no choice.

      • robert, praying that you continue with strength and courage.

        take things a day at a time…

        it is not a sprint, it’s a marathon, so pace yourself, stay strong – you are taking care of your family, you are all together under one roof…take care – get plenty of fitful sleep, and take up the challenge as each day arrived.

  72. Hunker-Down says:

    M.D., you got it right, Mom comes first. How was the session at the dentist?

    Its the usual after Christmas, I ain’t got no money, so the only thing we did this week to prep. was to bag more white wheat into Mylar bags and work on the food inventory.

    Mother Earth News sent an email about “An End of An Era, coal fired electrical Plants”. It got me to thinking about having fuel after TEOTWAWKI, and our past conversations on this blog about propane storing longer than gasoline. We have a “Mr. Heater Big Buddy” propane heater rated for indoors use but no generator to produce electricity. If we choose a propane generator, what will we do when the propane supplier isn’t resupplied? If we go with gasoline wont we have the same problem?
    So I arrive at the question, can’t we make ethanol or gasoline from corn or sugar or apples? If so, we should have a renewable fuel. If we could do this we could avoid using propane to generate electricity, and save the propane for heating only.

    There are several Internet sellers who manufacture devices to make E85 at home as auto fuel but most require electricity to keep the temperature even during the manufacturing process.
    Is it possible to make E85 using wood for heat and fruit as the raw material?
    Does anyone have any recommendations?

    • riverrider says:

      it would be more efficient to use a woodgas boiler to run it. you lose a lot converting and re-converting. save your applebrandy for sippin:)

    • There is a gentleman by the name of Steven Harris that has pioneered and/or refined several processes involving homemade alcohol based fuels as well as other alternative energy. His website is http://imakemygas.com/. He has been on The Survival Podcast with Jack Spirko several times with episode 777 being the most recent one in which he discussed alcohol based fuels. It is something I plan on exploring more once I have a retreat location.

    • robert in mid michigan says:

      you can make ethonal pretty easily the problem comes from the amount of material you need to make it. on average you can get 2 to 2 and a half gallons from a bushel of corn. of course you can then make methane from the left overs for more fuel but you need to store huge amounts of material to make any type of renewable energy work.

      solar panel heat supplemented with wood would be ideal. been trying to work on this myself you cant store enough fuel to make it long term so you have to look at a lot of alternatives.

  73. woodman nc1 says:

    Well, picked up some more 223s this week, dig up a new garden area with my skid steer about 2′ deep and 20′ x 30′ all red clay so I added 7 yds. of compost got from the city good black stuff. Now I will throw in some lime and leaves and till it all up. If I have time today, need to start tomato seeds, like to get my plants in the ground early and protect them with walls of water. My DW and I went to the range and pulled the bang switch some this past week,she has gotten good with her Glock 19. Now heading out to Costco, they carry Shelf Reliance products in # 10 cans but they have to be ordered on line. Take care all.

  74. I pulled out some frozen veggies from the freezer and started dehydrating them. I try to do most of my dehydrating during the Winter because the dehydrator generates a bunch of heat. I worked in the garden. Our weather here in N. CA is totally wacko and the garden and orchard think it’s spring…lots of new growth and buds. No rain, so I’ve had to irrigate and I don’t like doing that in the Winter…this is suppose to be my down time. I’m working on expanding the garden again this year…by double. I ordered 3 pallets of cinder blocks and the Mushroom Plant/Farm will be delivering a truck and trailer load of compost the first of Feb. That will be enough to fill the new beds, top off the old beds, spread a couple inches on the new pasture patch and have a bit left over for compost tea.

    I’m heading up to the cabin next weekend with a small load of prep stuff I got while cleaning out my mil’s shed. She died at 96 and was a pack-rat her whole life…lots of good stuff that doesn’t require electricity. I’ll be taking up another load of almond wood and a propane fridge I got off of Craigs List. This time last year there was snow up to the roof-line…this year NOTHING…thank goodness I have 3 springs and the year round creek runs through the property.

    • Vienna (Soggy Prepper) says:

      Our weather here in SW WA has been really weird too. Really dry and snow pack is not impressive in the mountains. Warm for here also this time of year. Hopefully we’ll catch up on rain soon or we could be looking at a bad summer.

      I haven’t read news lately for Texas and such. You guys still having drought conditions?

      • MtWoman (N Texas) says:

        Yup…still in drought these days here in N Central Texas (and much of the state)…even though we just had a night & day of rain here in N Texas and enough down South to flood Houston. The drought got so deep that they are saying it will PROBABLY take at least 2 years to get over it, IF there’s enough rain events. Pretty scary actually.

        Here’s a great site for drought info: http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/

      • The Houston area has gotten some rain lately (in fact today much of Houston got flooded) but unfortunately there hasnt been enough rain to take care of the drought conditions. They are predicting the drought to be just as bad if not worse this next summer.

        • TG, glad to hear you got some rain. May be a good time to pick up some 55 gallon containers and slowly fill them up as you can. Not sure if you have a garden or what your plans are. Good luck! We had the same issue years back here in California, we are a bit below the norm but doing better than other years.

      • Copperhead says:

        North West Texas got 10.5 inches of snow over Christmas but that is all the moisture in eons. It was sure welcome. Ended 2011 about 12 inches below normal for the area. Looks to be a below normal rain year this year, too, IF forecasters are right. You know how forecasters can be 🙂

    • Rob in Ontario says:

      Central Ontario is also not getting normal weather today was above freezing again calling for some rain – freezing rain and snow over next few days

  75. Grannytraveler,

    As a retired public school teacher who didn’t pay into SS during that time, but did otherwise, I AM receiving SS. Suppose it’s based on DH’s entitlement.

    • Grannytraveler says:

      It depends on your pension and the state I guess. Did you pay into ss while you were working as a teacher? Because of the Windfall Elimination Act and one other that I can’t remember, my pension will be subtracted from what I would get from ss. I would go with my DH’s. At most, I would get a few hundred (better than nothing!) but not the entire amount. Didn’t even know about this when I went into teaching.

  76. Picked up 50 lbs of pinto beans. I like rice and it is a key part of my food storage. So I figured 1 cup uncooked rice per day would be good. That weighs 7-5/8 oz, dividing that into 50 lbs gives 104 days, or 174 lbs per year. When I stand back and look at my food storage, I think I must be nuts there’s so much of it, but then I do calculations like this and I don’t have nearly enough.
    I don’t ride the city bus very often, but was waiting for it the other day and two other guys started fighting, I guess somebody got dissed. After the minute fight, they started some macho jawboning at each other and then I heard one say that he had called his home boys for back up. So right then, as they say in the army, I un-a**ed the AO down to the next bus stop. Then Friday I’m eating lunch in the park and some guy wants a quarter and when I turn him down he starts yelling at me. Geez. Watch out everyone, when more people go off their meds, it’s going to get crazy.
    A couple weeks ago, someone was thinking about a prepper online dating service, which would be a huge OPSEC risk, but the next best thing is http://www.farmersonly.com/

    • Cliff in Douglasville says:


      You are a wise man to get the heck out of dodge when the fist start to fly. I wouldn’t want to be sitting there when some home boys streak by for a drive by. As to the guy asking for a quarter, I usually keep a quarter or 30 cents in my pocket, no more change than that and when someone ask for it I pull my pocket inside out and then give them the quarter or whatever is in there. Anyone else asking, I tell them, I just gave my last money to that guy back there, ask him if he can spare some since he has all of mine. Seems to work pretty well and I usually get a smile rather than a cussing.

    • Garden Mom says:

      David, I agree on the food storage. When I look at how much space it takes up, it seems like too much. But if that is all we have available to eat – no where near enough. We have about 4 months of food stored, and 24 days of water at 2 gal/day (or 48 days if we go with 1 gal/day and wash with baby wipes, be really careful with water, etc.)

      • Something I stock for low water use is body powder, or talc. Both medicated and floral scent. Too little water for washing will lead to rashes and unpleasant oders. 10 to 13 ounce size can be found at most dollar stores. I don’t know about humid places out here in the dry AZ climate, I’ve been weeks roughing it in places and was real glad to have it in my trailer.

        • Azyogi, you are right! The temps out there get someone ripe fast,.my brother lived in Carefree just north of Phoenix and I would keep a towel in my car and baby wipes in a plastic bag in the cooler in my trunk during those 110+ days.

  77. sheeple_no_more says:

    Started rebuilding our pantry shelving. We had the black plastic ones from the big box store and they sagged under the weight. Built some FIFO shelving and and bought some additional supplies for BOBs.

    Also, joined a free weekly video lab through Survive and Thrive(http://www.meetup.com/SURVIVE-AND-THRIVE-Philadelphia-region)/ that will assist with prepping. I did one last year and we met once a week on line for an hour and discussed the best/latest method covering all topics.

  78. Anonymous Prepper says:

    Prepping on a severely limited budget.

    Well this week I bought about 40 cheap items on ebay from china to make emergency kits. Aluminum water bottles, aluminum whistles, baseplace navigation compasses, led lights, batteries, multi-tools, and various kits, firesteels, and stainless steel survival knives.

    Yea, I know, why not buy Made in the USA?

    Well, if you are like me, money is extemely tight, so those cheap china products come in handy when prepping. Later when I can afford it I will buy quality made in the USA items, but for now I am thankful china makes the cheap stuff so I can prepare faster in case something goes wrong.

    So, if you are poor or on a severely limited budget, just go to ebay and type in “survival”, paginate by lowest price+shipping, then start scrolling. You can refine the search returns, listing only BUY NOW with FREE SHIPPING and you get a boatload of search returns for a buck or two for good items. Remember that these emergency supplies dont have to be the best quality or for heavy duty use. They are for emergencies. A $5 stainless steel knife that you have to use some elbow grease to sharpen better will cut just as good as that $200 ceramic or $100 carbon steel knife. Same goes for the $1 aluminum whistle from china compared to that $15 top of the line athletic whistle.

    We also changed over from electric heat to coal. Invested $1800 in a good coal stove. Last year we used about a ton and a quarter of coal. $250-$275. this has by far been our most noticable preparation item, saving us thousands per year now since the deregulation of the electric companies. Since the deregulation, winter heating has cost us between $400 and $600 a month in electric bills. Since we started using coal to heat, electric bills have been between $90-$120 a month, which is now more in the summer because of air conditioning. Initially it was a pain in the butt dealing with the coal, but now I build a coal storage room in front of the basement window and the coal man delivers and chutes it right into the window into the enclosed coal room. Simple, cheap, easy, and effectively traps the coal dust until it can settle. The coal stove is also in the basement on the other side , so we move a few buckets at a time. Easy as you please.

    We also insulated our water heater pipes which brough the electric costs down between $20 and $40 a month between summer and winter.

    We bought a cord of hardwood for starting the coal stove. One cord should last us 5 years or more. Maybe 10. But I am lowering the wood costs as well. I am always on the lookout on craigslist for free wood from downed trees after storms and such. Unfortunately I am always busy and rarely get to them fast enough before someone else with the same idea. Unfortunately we live in a development and do not have ready access to woodland to get our wood.

    Speaking of cragslist, take a gander and search their FREE ITEMS section of buy/sell. Lots of people giving stuff away for free that can be used in prepping or everyday life. And if you have things you want to throw away and still might be useful, put them up on craigslist free items section of buy/sell so others can have the opportunity to make use of them. It helps your neighbor and saves our landfil space.

    Pay it forward. Some day you might need something.

  79. Just a quick question: why do people store their ammo in an ammo box? Is there some reason why putting it in a closet in the original packaging isn’t good?

    • Anonymous Prepper says:

      I store mine in ammo cans with moisture absorbers so they do not oxidize and moisture does not compromise the powder over time. They even keep the cardboard boxes in better condition. Also, its easier to organize and carry if you have many calibers. Check the seals every 5 years or so. Eventually the rubber gaskets get old and cracked and you need to make new ones. Also watch out for rust from scratches on the can itself. These can be repaired with some oil and steel wool, then washing, priming, and repainting.

    • Gayle, the ammo can keeps ammo air tight, water proof, free from exposure to the elements, dust free and easier to store, stack and grab when needed. I keep all of my ammunition in ammo cans and mark and organize them by caliber and specific grains or type of ammo for same calibers.

      I also have a ammo cans that have my grab and go ammo for the BOB. They are the smaller size cans and fit well in the back of the SUV or car taking little room.

    • axelsteve says:

      I keep my ammo in the original packs with no problem. It could be regional depending on humidity though.I keep some in a ammo can in my closet or locked in a drawer in my toolbox.

    • Plant Lady says:

      So, which brand/type of ammo box is best and who has the best prices on them? I need ummm, rather a lot of them, so if someone offers good deals on quantity orders that would be the way to go.

      • cosmolined says:

        Plant Lady:
        Military cans are unbeatable. Just check the rubber seals for flexibility and the bottoms of the cans for severe rust.
        Widener’s , located in Tennessee, (SP?) has a nine pack of 50 cal cans for $73. If you are near there, the shipping won’t be much more. Here on the Left Coast, it’d kill a person. Cos

        • Plant Lady says:

          Thanks, Cosmolined! Having a goodly stash of ammo is something we are not accustomed to. In the past, it was always a good excuse to go shooting…oh, boy, we have 60 boxes, that is enough to last a couple hours…and there went the stash (hehe). We live way out in the boonies, so we all just shoot in our yards or neighboring fields. Seems like every birthday party, anniversary, whatever, turns into a shooting match after the eating (hehe). Now we have to have two stashes…one for everyday use and one for long-term. Oops, 3 stashes…forgot the new Diana RWS 34 .22 air rifle! I can’t keep enough pellets on hand for that – everybody likes it. Sure wish I could find a good bulk source for pellets…250-500 pellet tins are just too small.
          You sound like you might know…how many rounds of .22LR, .10 ga., 12 ga. and 30.06 will fit in each can? Do you leave the ammo in the boxes or pack it in loose? And the rubber seals on the ammo boxes – can you get replacements to refurbish an old box or store them for future use?

          • cosmolined says:

            Plant Lady:
            Sorry, boxed ammo comes in different sizes. I just fill em up and label them on both ends with a white sticky address label. I don’t know if there are replacement rubber seals but think if you get good cans to begin with they will last almost forever. I leave the ammo in the boxes. Having bullets hit primers if I drop the can would not be a good thing.

            • Plant Lady says:

              Thanks, Cosmolined…trying to figure out just how many we will need. You seem to have such a good handle on the subject was hoping you might have a guesstimate. Always read your posts for good info on a subject I need to know a lot more about.

          • Plant Lady, if you go to any gun shows, they tend to have the best deals on them. I use the following 30 caliber/7.62mm ammo cans for my bug out and range cans.
            5.56mm/.50 caliber cans for shot gun and large cache ammo.
            I keep them marked by caliber and specialty loads in that caliber.

            • Plant Lady says:

              Jarhead: Thanks for the info! Sadly, we live way out in the boonies – about 3 hrs. from the nearest show of any size and can’t make that kind of trip while caring for my MIL. Sure wish I could get to one for a cash sale and not get my name on a list somewhere. Our little local VFW show offers less than most folks have in their closets around here. I went once, after I won a cute little Mossberg .410 in their raffle, but it was pretty sad.

          • Plant Lady, I take my ammo out of the ammo boxes and pour or place them in the cans. Makes it easy to load ammo. My 22 and pistol ammo gets poured in there and the rifle/shotgun ammo gets sorted and I keep an average count.

            I believe there are replacement seals out there our you can buy rubber or other silicone type caulking and fill it in there. Never had an issue, I buy the newest looking cans I can find and inspect them before buying.

            • Plant Lady says:

              Thanks, Jarhead…didn’t know if the seals were considered consumables that needed to be replaced every few years or what. Like to stock up on stuff like that.

            • Plant, its rare to need to replace them if the can is in good condition. I have seen to worn out but those were the cans that look like they were issued in the WW II or Korean War lol

            • cosmolined says:

              I bought a used footlocker size metal crew box. (I’m having a senior moment….I think it is a Knack? something like that. ) Anyway, it has double locks, one on each side that are real padlocks and encased in quarter inch steel. Got it for $100. Well worth the $.

            • cosmolined says:

              Sorry, this was for an earlier post. When I tried to ask plant lady what state she lived in, it came back up. I guessed I hadn’t submitted earlier and hit submit thinking it would go where I originally was…. I’m too darned old to do this computer stuff. (58 LOL)

  80. Gschnauzer says:

    For those who leave in the North East, Shoprite has the can, can sale going on. It is not as great as last year but 48 cents a can for vegetables isn’t too bad. They also have sale on their Ronzoni pasta. Last week it was 48 cents this week 67 cents/lb.

    • Muddy Fork says:

      I assume you have a Giant? Great dogs, my first was Schutzhund trained but I lost him to kidney failure when he was only 5. I could not get back into the sport after that. Had to put down my last one about a year ago and only have two minis now. I miss not having a big dog around but dont miss the grooming.

  81. Cliff in Douglasville says:

    I keep the bulk of my ammo in ammo cans. They are designed to be air and water tight and can hold quite a few rounds. They also have a very strong handle and when you pick up a box that weights 35 or 40 pounds you’ll appreciate the handle. I keep each caliber or gauge in a separate, labeled ammo box so when I open the safe I go to the right one immediately, pull it out and will instantly have a large number of rounds in the correct caliber or gauge ready to go rather than sorting through boxes of 20 or 50 rounds and cardboard boxes are prone to fall apart with some rough handling leave you with ammo all over the ground.
    I have ammo in the closets in original boxes, but we are only talking about 1, maybe 2 boxes of each caliber. The ammo boxes hold several hundred rounds and if I’m going outside with my “go to” guns I want to have access to a lot of ammo.
    Otherwise I think it is just an OCD thing of liking to have things in order, labeled and neatly stacked.

    • Thanks, Cliff. I appreciate the explanation.

    • Harold Dean says:

      Good sound logic if you don’t have grandsons who are thieves. Took both ammo cans that had ammo in them but totally missed about a dozen boxes of CCI minimags that were in socks in the sock basket. I split it up among various places anymore.

      • HD, Sorry to hear that. I moved to Kali to escape the thief side of the family….. I still am ruled by my old fears. If you can, make one room with a lock that ONLY you have a key for or maybe a small safe. Remember to forgive the little Bas***sd’s for your own peace of mind. (We don’t take anything with us at the end but our Belief, actions and accountability for them.)

    • I “know” (giggling) I am OCD and love using ammo cans for alot of things. They are easy to stack, mark, carry, and they come in differentt sizes. Our Army surplus store has a kazillion of them. I even use one as a lunch pail.
      Because I am sadly a classic overachiever… For long term storage of ammo, I insert the boxes of ammo into Food Saver bags with an O2 absorber. then stack into the cans. Then stack the cans.
      And like Harold, find different spots to hide them. We have 6 people in our house who shoot weekly and it is super easy to get into moms ammo stash when they are broke. Well, it used to be. I have put rocks in them with a note saying “GOTCHA turkeys”!

      • Mama J.,

        Have you ever received one of those cards that you open it up and music starts blasting? If you find one with an appropriate song, buy it. Then cut open the card and insert the mechanism into the ammo box so that when your family opens the ammo box, a song starts blasting. That would scare the hell out of them. LOL

        Would would be the best song?

        • Maybe “Smoke Gets in Your Eyes” by the Platters.

        • Or even better: “Boom, boom, Pow” by the Black Eyed Peas.

        • If there is an inexpensive way to rig up something, I think that old Air Force ditty: “Will You Go Boom Today” would be a hoot. Spent time in the munitions business and the load toads and BB stackers had all sorts of songs etc about things blowing up or being fried to a crisp (ala napalm).

      • Harold Dean says:

        Sadly, the boys stole them to trade for drugs. If only they had taken them to practice shooting with I would not consider them stolen, just consumed without my supervision. Three of the seven grandsons are that way and unfortunately they are the ones in close proximity so I have to keep my firearms all locked up and only take out my home defense pistol at bedtime. Sad state of affairs this country has came to when you have to defend from your family also. Harold

        • templar knight says:

          Harold, if I had only one wish granted, it would be for this plague of drug use in this country to end. I’ve seen mothers lose their motherly instinct(something I never thought could happen), children turn against their parents, grandchildren steal from their grandparents(which happened to you), and many other abominations occur during this plague. Our society is sick, with a constant barage of things that are just wrong hitting our young people from tv, movies, radio, internet, social media, schools, and government. The Bible tells us what the fruit of this foul harvest will be, and it is the very thing you experienced. I feel terrible for you, and wish you the best, and pray for the recovery of your grandsons from their drug abuse.

          • I recently was out of town, helping some friends. The DH was home in the evenings after work. I am home after being gone a week, and noticed when I walked in the house that someone had been going through my things. I found alot of meds missing and some cash, right out of the safe! Only the meds missing? I would have never found out. But, someone knew where the safe keys were, and POW, I cornered him, took him down to the linoeum, and gave him the old typewriter in his chest. You all remember the “typewriter” where you poke em in the same spot on their sterum with your finger until they scream uncle. Worked for my brother 30 years ago. Still works.
            Yep. I got a FULL confession. The kid was on the drugs. And an apology. And the money back. And the chicken coop cleaned out. Booyah, don’t mess with the Mama.

            • MtWoman (N Texas) says:

              Mama J…you are one FUNNY lady!! Your sense of humor and practicality are wonderful to see. We can all use some of that in today’s world.

            • cosmolined says:

              Mama J:
              Thanks for the laughter! God Bless. Cos

          • Harold Dean says:

            Although only one was born there, I raised my five children in California and never had one minutes trouble with them using drugs or getting into problems with the law. The oldest son had gotten married while we still lived in the San Fernando Valley before we moved to the high desert. Second son joined the ARmy soon after we moved there and made a career of it. Three daughters were kept busy with their horses, ponies and other livestock with the attendant chores so did not really have a chance to go bad. A divorce by the oldest daughter with the four boys living with Dad most of the time is what caused this problem. Only 3 out of the 4 so I guess I am very lucky. Oldest son still lives in the high desert and of his three, the oldest boy is worthless, daughter is so so and younger son is a good boy.

        • Harold, where the latch to secure it has the hole, you can drill a hole and install and I bolt with rubber washers to keep the seal and keep them secured.

          I have them on my range ammo cans, living in Kalifornia some LE get nervous about large quantities of ammo so it helps ease their nerves seeing the ammo secured. If someone steals a 20 to 50 pound ammo can with a lock, they won’t be able to run off with it easily and will have a chore opening it.

          Sorry to hear about the family, I have cut ties with friends and family that have I have lost trust for. After leaving the Marines, friends and family complained of my rigid ways with trust and reliability. I got used to being able to depend my life on my “brothers” and that’s a loyalty paid in blood thicker than some of my family and friends.

          • Harold Dean says:

            Jar, I just done the simple thing and quit storing it in ammo cans. They make a small lockable metal tool box that sells in specialty construction equipment stores that has seals and lockable and is used for the loads for the ramsets. Got a couple given to me and since they are red and say Ramset on them, only a knowledgeable person would know they actually contain ammunition.

  82. I just read about this: A new completely drug resistant strain of TB has been found in India.


    • SickSkilz says:

      I read about this too. Scary stuff. Apparently and infected person can infect 10-15 people a year. I imagine they may eventually fine a drug that helps with the new strain but even then, it could become immune to even whatever that ends up being.

  83. Harold Dean says:

    Forced to go shopping with the DW today since she wanted some paneling for one wall in the living room and wanted genuine wood paneling not print on hardboard (me also) and later stopped at Menards to buy a new kitchen light fixture. Found a real buy on Star Kist Albacore tuna in water 6 cans for 7.10. Normally pay 2.89 for each can. Bought a case of it. Stopped at Big Lots for a bathmat and found some led flashlights, 4 to a package waterproof for 8 bucks. Same aisle found a sale on rechargable LI batteries, 4 for four bucks. Bought what they had, 5 packs of double A and 3 packs of triple A. ONly two sizes I use but I am gravitating to the double A and will haunt them until I find some more. Bought both of the packages of the 4 flashlights.

    • Harold,

      With all that shopping, we might just start calling you an honorary woman. LOL

      • Did your wife make you hold her purse too? (Lint is recuperating from his trip so someone’s got to stir the pot a little.)

        • Harold Dean says:

          Good heavens no!! The checkbook is in her purse and I can’t be trusted with something that dangerous. I get to hold the packages. Harold

      • Harold Dean says:

        I have been called a lot worse in my life. As long as it is either a good looking, good cooking, good hunting, good natured woman or a rich one is okay with me. Harold

    • breadmomma says:

      and Lint would give him the Flasher award for the purchase of those flashlights!

      • Were any of them pink?

        • Harold Dean says:

          One each in pink, green, gray and blue.

          • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

            Not pink, it’s the manly color of SALMON.

            • Harold Dean says:

              My granddaughter calls it “Pale Blush”. Of course, you know what happened to the pink one by that comment. I probably would have called it Coral except it said on the package Pink

      • Breadmomma,

        So now he’s a woman flasher?

        • Harold Dean says:

          A smile is the only thing I am capable of flashing anymore

          • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

            I know what you mean. I’m surprised nobody has seen the similarity between a Maglite and a _____. I think in the world of psychology, it’s known as compensation.

            • Harold Dean says:

              That puts me in mind of a retort that Massad Ayoob who writes for Backwoods Magazine and other periodicals regarding gun ownership. When asked if it was really a phallic symbol he said of course not or men would not buy a gun with a two inch barrel. Goes down in my books as one of the most spot on retorts ever.

            • breadmomma says:

              oh linty…there are small maglites, medium maglites and those super colossus maglites…you know what they say…motion of the ocean, size of ship…etc….
              better have more light …you know…and I rather think that a manly salmon maglite is every grrrlss, dream…

            • there is no ‘reply’ button to Harold Dean’s post about 2″ barrel…

              is that 2″ long, or 2″ wide…cheers.

  84. Not much prepping this past week for me due to financial restraints. Continue to read, watch youtube videos and learn new things.

    my parents have decided they are no longer going to rough it too much when they camp so they bought a nice camper with a kitchen and a propane/electric oven and stove top. So, they gave me all of their cast-iron cookware, including 2 different sized dutch ovens, 2 frying pans and a large griddle. I don’t know much about cooking on, and caring for, cast-iron cookware. They gave me some pointers but I want to do as much cooking as I can with it. Anyone know of any quality books referencing this kind of cookware? Also, I have heard differing opinions about the type of untensils to use. Should I use wooden utensils or stainless steel? I have heard arguments for both.

    Thanks in advance for any advise! Take care and have a great week Wolfpack!

    • jd, i’m not much of a cook, but i use a cast iron skillet when i fry chicken and it turns out pretty good.

    • WOW! You have some wonderful parents!
      The first rule in cast iron is Never use soap. Just rinse them in hot water and scrub them with a scrubbing pad, dry them and maybe give them a light coating of olive oil before storing.
      Utensils are not important with cast iron. I have a book called “Cooking with Cast Iron”, but I can’t find my copy presently.

    • blindshooter says:

      I like cast iron, its very tough and with some care will last generations. I never use soap just hot water and maybe a plastic brush then dry well and a light coat of oil if its going to be stored. I try to never use metal utensils only plastic or wood. Never let it sit with food or water for any length of time, always clean and dry it as soon as possible. If you are starting with new iron you will need to do a preseason, clean the pan with hot water and soap(last time for that) then coat with oil, I like shortening or lard then into an oven at about 350-400 until it stops smoking then let it cool until you can handle it and repeat the process again. You will need good ventilation or the smoke alarm will be wailing. If you have a large gas grill use it and the other half won’t complain as much:^) The first few times you use it stay away from acidic foods, I like to fry stuff in a new or newly seasoned pan until the black coating is fairly thick. The older pans seem to have a smoother finish than the new stuff especially the cheap Chinese iron. I have used a disk sander to smooth the bottom of new pans before the first seasoning is done. If the things your parents gave you are old and well seasoned you are ready to cook right away. I have the cast iron my mother used and she got it from her mother, don’t know how old some pans are but they work as well or better than anything new. Funny, my sister hates it, she says its only good for planting flowers!

      • blindshooter and others…………

        Love cast iron…an art using them, and many accessories available also, from a table to lid lifters, etc, etc. The Lodge brand seems to be the “Gold Standard” in cast iron ware.
        They were so important in Pioneer day’s that they were actually put into the owner’s will (Martha Washington’s will comes to mind); and they undoubtedly last years, even hundreds of years!

        • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

          Darn, Hawkeye, didn’t realize until now that you were a friend of Martha Washington’s. That’s so cool. 😉

          Check out this link for really great dutch ovens. I can’t afford to buy one of them, but I do like to look at ’em. Someday, when I win the lottery, I’m gonna buy one or five of these babies. http://www.macaovens.com/ovens.htm

          • Those are some serious ovens lint. The prices are decent,just wondering how to use such a big pot.

        • Hawkeye – Griswold or Wagner. I believe Lodge has gone to the pebbly, made in China finish instead of the nice, smooth finish they had. Lehman’s says it is better. Maybe it is, or maybe that is what they were told. Jeff

          • Jeff…

            Haven’t bought one in years. Sorry to hear about Lodge; they were the “gold standard” when I was acquiring mine!

    • Jd, don’t cook acidic foods (tomatoes) in cast iron…takes the sheen off the pan.

      don’t soak pot/skillet in water – just wipe out with paper towels after cooking.
      no dish-washing detergent.
      After cooking and wiping, I spray a little oil over skillet etc and heat it up again, then wipe and excess oil off after cooked down.

      Always strive to leave skillet with a sheen. Food will not stick if seasoned properly.

      Happy cooking with your cast iron..I have lots of quality copper lined heavy stainless steel pots/pans – but choose to use cast iron instead…good even heat dispersal – throw it in the oven, over coals.

      very versatile equipment.

      Do not put a hot pan into a sink/tub of cold water… can warp the pot/skillet.

    • We do fine with metal utensils in the pan, and I even give mine a good rub with an unsoaped copper scrubby if the seasoning couldn’t quite stand up to the food. I use butter when cooking, but rendered bird fat or lard when I’m refreshing the seasoning. (I find vegetable oils, possibly even crisco, tend to get sticky if the pan is in storage too long, or perhaps that was from a life under the broiler pan with constant heating and cooling.) I also dry after rinsing by leaving it on a low flame for a while and let cool.

    • Harold Dean says:

      We lived for four days once and again for nine days in the little Fiberglass fifth wheel camper trailer I used to have due to ice storms and it was cozy, close and comfortable. I set up a standby generator and we haven’t lost power since then. I guess you just have to bluff the weather out. Kind of wish I hadn’t let the DW talk me into getting rid of the rig.

  85. charliebuck69 says:

    Wolf Pack,Has anyone here tried canning lunchmeat,like sliced Pastrami,ham,etc? Just wondering if its worth doing?GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

    • Charlie,

      I have never canned lunch meat but the idea seems counter intuitive. If you are going to can, why buy meat that has already been sliced? (Sliced meat typically costs more.)

      I would recommend buying the entire ham or the entire roast, cutting it into chunks and then canning that. To fix a sandwich with it, grill up some onions and some peppers and dump in the can of diced roast. Yum. Serve on freshly baked bread.

  86. I finally finished the new rabbit house and cage. I had to make a few alterations along the way, but it’s done and nice and sturdy – if a little cobbled together. I’m sure if a real carpenter saw it he’d die laughing.

    Is it premeditated murder if I take a carpenter down to see it????

    • Michele, with the laws these day it probably would be considered premeditated. But you know, as long as it is nice and sturdy and will do the intended job, then that is all that matters.

  87. beans-Bullets says:

    Well, didn’t prep much this week.
    Pulled frozen stuff out of the freezer and dehydrated.
    Looking at getting a D I V O R C E so my question to the pack is what would you do??
    All the preps that have been done in this household have been paid for and canned, dehydrated, grown and everything else by me. All weapons and ammo have been purchased by me. All work and $ has come from me while listening to the other half tell friends how I’m preparing “FOR THE END OF THE WORLD” Not a lot of support and a whole lotta loose lips.
    Frustration is high and I keep thinking about the women who turned in her husband for “Prepping” and the local P.D took the guys guns, never did hear if he got them back.
    Any suggestions at this point would be good.
    I have managed to keep everything “NICE” between us
    Thanks for letting me vent

    • My suggestion: Take a deep breath and very calmly begin to QUIETLY move your stuff to a storage facility or a trusted friend’s until this is settled. You would hate to lose anything especially the expensive things. If she has derided your decision to be prepared, she most likely won’t respect your things being yours. She would be a risk to take them even if things have been NICE so far. Just saying.

    • If she has not been interested in your preps before, chances are she is not interested now. What does she want? Ask (calmly).

      What is important to you? If you make a list of what you REALLY want, and are willing to let a lot of the other stuff just go, it might be an easy split. Remember, you will get a lot more in the long run if you give in a little and don’t have to pay huge attorney fees.

      Her loose lips may not matter if you are the one moving out.

      In the long run, even though you may have provided all the money, most states will give her approximately half – that’s just the way it is, so don’t let that make you crazy. Divorce is incredibly tough, and emotions run high. Don’t fall into the trap of fighting over every little thing, and end up giving attorneys most of your money.

    • MtWoman (N Texas) says:

      Beans-Bullets…first…take a deep breath…you’ll figure it out. Second, this is an interesting issue. I see many on here who do not have support for prepping from their partners, so this could come up as it has with you.

      If you prepped in good faith for both of you, regardless of the lack of support, then maybe an action of divying it up would take away the tension, at least for yourself.

      If you feel otherwise, I suggest you remove what you can to another location, when and as soon as you can privately. I would especially move any lists and papers that inventory your preps, and weapons & ammo. I’d leave the food…maybe it will distract from the rest going away.

      Other than that, keep breathing…it’ll be ok.

      • Grannytraveler says:

        I agree with the idea of quietly moving your valuables to another location. My son was getting starting to get what he thought was an amicable divorce. He came home one day and EVERYTHING was gone even a rubber band ball he had made in grade school. She took things like camping equipment that she had never used. All that was left were his clothes and one blanket. Took even his computer. Her parents had flown out and hired movers. Everything was sold (washer, dryer-brand new) for $100 supposedly. My son called the police who told him nothing could be done because they were still married and it was community property. In hindsight, my son said he would have quietly started moving what was important to him before the divorce topic had ever come up but he had never imagined her doing this in a million years. Better safe than sorry I say.

    • beans-Bullets, i’m sorry for what you are going through. keeping it nice is the best. i know it sounds hokey and you both are mad at each other but at one point you both cared about one another or you would not have gotten married. so if a divorce is in the picture i would try to keep what is yours, but being nice will keep the anger away from eating yourself alive. (i know this from experience). keeping you in my prayers.

    • Calm negotiation is the key. Are you church people? All I can think of if you need a mediator is to use a deacon or the head of a discussion group, someone who is less likely to take sides.

      Keep in mind that half of the stuff isn’t an even split. Obviously you can’t divide a house, so shouldn’t its value be worth a larger share of the contents for the one who is leaving?

      What I’m thinking is that she’d probably not want most of the prepping stuff, and she may be more concerned about the nicer pieces of furniture than you are. Each can walk away with most of what they consider most important and be satisfied that the other is getting the junk.

      • templar knight says:


        Remain calm, as the worst thing you can do is get in an argument and get her focused on what you want rather than what she wants, at least as far as property is concerned. I’ve learned in my life that there are some women(the Wolfpack excepted) who will wish to punish rather than doing the logical thing. So she might want your guns, for example, just because she knows you have an attachment to them and she knows it will make you mad. Or she may use them as a ploy to get more than her fair share. Just be aware of these things, and think them through.

        Negociate from a position of not having an emotional attachment to personal property, other than what a family member might have given you, and no judge will force you to give up property that is given to you as a family heirloom. All property you owned prior to your marriage(including guns) is not subject to property settlement in most states.

        Always keep in mind that almost all property is easily replaced, and don’t make any deals that give her more property than you just because you have an emotional attachment to some AR-15 or some similar object. Be aware that these things are easy to get right now. I will say this, if you have expensive sights, night vision, etc. and she doesn’t know it, go ahead and move those things to a trusted friends home. I wouldn’t rent a storage facility, as that will be one of the questions you will be asked, and the fact that you rented a storeroom and stored something will make them suspicious that you might have something valuable that you are trying to hide. Always give the retail value of items you bought.

        And don’t sign anything wanting to just get out of a bad marriage. Many men are guilty of this, and lose out property- wise in many divorces, and divorce lawyers are well-aware of this. Their tactics are to make you as miserable as possible in an effort to get you to sign away your rights. Be aware of this tactic.

        I am not a lawyer, and this advice is just general in nature, and is in no way legal advice. I urge you to get an attorney for advice, and to look at any property settlement you might have presented to you. Do not try to save money and let your wife and her lawyer dictate terms to you. Get a lawyer. And good luck.

        • cosmolined says:

          I also STRONGLY SUGGEST A LAWYER! My ex worked for one. I was stupid and didn’t get my own. I paid in blood for almost 15 years… Good Luck. Life will be better even if this marriage comes to an end.

      • I would start moving some things that you may want to keep and not have to be liquidated. For instance,do you have any guns that were once your dads?Grandads?You would hate to have to sell it to pay for a liar,lawyer.In Comradfornia sometimes a restraining order is filed and police come get the guns anyway.Do you want that to happen to them?Do you have any tools?You can empty the toolbox and take the contents to a storage place and she may never know that they are gone.(he he) Same thing with a gunsafe.Be careful and be safe.

  88. Lexington says:

    @JD …I’ve used cast iron cookware since I was tall enough to reach the stove. Stainless steel utensils are just fine. Make certain you learn how to properly clean and re-season them. High acid foods (tomato sauces, for example) are hard on cast iron.

    My BOB is essentially complete, so this week I priced warmer weather sleeping bags (We only have very cold weather bags) and researched using bivy sacks instead of tents. This will not please SWMBO, but I don’t want our lives to depend on us being together. If we are separated, each of us will have to survive alone until we can re-unite. I want her to stay alive until we can do that.

    About mid-week I will be emptying my backpack to refresh some of the food items and reconsider what I am carrying in light of my evolving education. I’m pretty certain that I will be able to drop a couple of pounds.

    I also began an exercise program as my fitness level is way below par. The best-equipped backpack in the world isn’t much good if I can’t lug it.

  89. Harold Dean says:

    I had to go back and take another look at those batteries when I started looking for a LI charger. All of the ones listed were 3.7v in AA and AAA sizes. The package says 1.5v for the both of them. Popped one out and checked it with the meter and it definitely is a 1.68v. Never saw a LI charger for that voltage and a NICD charger won’t work since it does not have a charge limiter built in to prevent battery explosion from overcharging. Will have to buy one of the cheapies and look at the circuit and see if the limiter works down to 1.5v. I am only looking at the solar ones so hopefully it will limit the charge at that point or can be changed to that point with a resistor.

  90. Copperhead says:

    Not much prepping done this last week. Need to make a trip to Sams for a major shopping next week. I did get some more sewing supplies and 6 1lb cans of propane.
    Have a question…is a metal Army footlocker o.k. to stock EMP stuff in, or is it too thin of metal or too many seams? Have my hubbies and was just wondering.
    Hope all our sick/injured people are well soon. Lint, 30 lashes with a wet noodle for making us worry!!!! 🙂

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Copperhead, I’m hanging my head in shame for making anybody worry. So sorry. (Shuffling off with pink flashlight in hand.) sniff.

      • Diver Gal (South Fla) says:

        So you DO have a pink flashlight…. HAH. We all knew it.

        Glad to see you’re back and mending Lint, Your comments were missed by us all.


        • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

          NO! I vehemently deny that I have a pink flashlight. It’s salmon, not pink. ;P

      • Hey Lint, Outdoor Bunker is having a sale on pink stuff. You can get a nice pink camo range bag for all your new pink flashlights. Just kidding pal.

        • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

          Hey, you go ahead and laugh, friend, but someday those pink flashlights might come in handy – like when I’m trying to hide in a flock of flamingos. Or when the cotton candy machine explodes….you just never know.

          How’s your gut doing? Still bleeding? Seems they should have found it and fixed it by now. Or maybe you’re going the home-remedy route?

      • Lint, don’t worry. Be glad you have people that care. If I knew where you live,I would have checked on my two days off but just glad you are alright, we all need time to do what we need to do. You are a good man and respected in the pack. Hope you find the place you are looking for, I won’t be able to do that for another 20 years unless I lost my job.

  91. Col. S. Gray (Ret) says:

    Great site MD. Very insightful and encouraging, I am recommending this to my friends! On topic, today I walked all 3 of the cache loc’s on my property, checking my range card and distance markers as I went. Many forget that the world is a totally different place once the sun goes down or foul weather sets in. While you may know your property like the back of your hand in the daylight, how many times have you traversed it in the dark, in the fog, or in the rain at night? Unobtrusive markers for directions are helpful in such situations i.e. broken branches that point north, carefully hidden notches on trees marking distance from your tactical center etc.

    Keep in mind that while we all should, by now, know that a fight survived (avoided) is a fight won until a tactical advantage (if required to regain something) is obtained. That in mind, a threat tends to not come on sunny days with warning.

    Therefore, I walk my property at different times of day, night and in different weather so I know where I am even if caught by surprise and cannot return to my TOC without confronting intruders. (They would be in for several surprises anyway) ****Keep in mind you should check your local, state, and federal laws when it comes to boobytraps. In many states, a property owner owes a duty even to a trespasser….BS, I know…. but still true so check.

    Lastly, I will reiterate what a great site this is MD, and I will donate as frequently as possible to support your work! Keep it up and lets all hope that we will never need our prep or skills, yet if we do, we will not only survive but prosper!


    • SG, welcome. Big smile on my face when I read about your walking your property in all sorts of weather…looking forward to your future posts…I have so much to learn in evasive and avoidance tactics…

      • Col. S. Gray (Ret) says:

        Thank you Chloe and may I suggest as a primer on the subject, that you check out the US Army Survival Manual: FM 21-76. Just cut n paste this link for a few on Ebay. You can google the FM (Field Manual) and get a good sense of what it teaches. http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Army-Survival-Manual-FM-21-76-Illustrated-NEW-/150693808620?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item23160d09ec

        There are several other books on the subject that each give their own interesting approaches on the topic i.e. SAS Survival Handbook, Revised Edition: For Any Climate, in Any Situation, John ‘Lofty’ Wiseman; Five Years to Freedom: The True Story of a Vietnam POW, James N. Rowe (Author)

        I think after reading Col. Rowe’s book, you will find that the key element to survival is will and determination…the utter refusal to give up. The book is an account of his time as a POW in S. Vietnam and not only is it moving, but also truly inspiring as it shows how far the human body can go if the mind is strong and determined.

        Enjoy, Learn & Survive.


        • cosmolined says:

          Colonel Gray:
          Pleased to meet another advocate of Col. Rowe. He is a hero of mine. Welcome to the pack Sir. Cos.

          • Col. S. Gray (Ret) says:

            Thank you Cosmo, great to be here. Col. Rowe was a truly astonishing human being.

        • SG, thank you – downloaded the army survival guide – will print the pages I need later tonight. Now tracking down the SAS and J. Rowe’s book…many thanks…

          • Col. S. Gray (Ret) says:

            Yw, Chloe. I hope you enjoy them all. Amazon or Ebay generally carry both and you can compare the prices and shipping rates.

            Next we will have to work on fieldcraft and making your own ghillie suit while evading =)


            • SG, for me it will be trying to evade.

              Not ashamed to say that if I can run – then I will run away from the uniformed and armed goons …for as long as possible…so that I and my family/others can get to a safe place, if there will be such a thing when SHTF –

              so shocked at the NDAA – had to study the USA’s BoR – held up as a shining example of what was possible – we all know what is happening, and no need to paint you a picture – you have a better grasp of the current situation then I do. Prep on.

  92. cosmolined says:

    Not sure how, but I just got erased and am logging back in. I did have a battery issue with the computer but I don’t know if that would erase me from the Pack….

  93. Overkill750 says:

    Got a few books this week. One Second After by William R. Forstchen, Killing Lincoln by Bill O’Rielly, The Original Argument by Glenn Beck, Being George Washington also by Beck and Dirt-Cheap Survival Retreat by a guy that you might have heard of,,,,,,,,,,, M.D. Creekmore.
    D-CSR is the first book that my wife took away from me, to read herself. Good info, references and a damn good philosophy on life.

  94. Pineslayer says:

    Lots of preps this week’
    First Aid
    Food, food, food
    Re-evaluate BOB’s
    Does the go-kart/dune buggy count? EMP proof and teaching my 9 year old to drive, plus is really fun
    Taught a 20 year old to shoot, she is hooked
    Maxpedition Pocket Reference Guide, tons of good camp reading
    Canning supplies
    Have a chance to pick up some big batteries from a Hospital that is upgrading its back up system. Seems like a good idea. Might be nice addition to the home generator.
    The flu post has me twitching and rethinking security.

    • Rob in Ontario says:

      are the batteries 12 volt? we used to have some for our place in the bush gives you lite is about all

      • Pineslayer says:

        The batts are big 2 volt units. They are still serviceable, I’m thinking of getting 6 of them. Don’t have any other info yet as I missed the boat on the first batch, but he will be getting more. At 30 cents a pound it is a great deal, then all the connections and cables will put the hurt on me. Right now I’m on the fence about them as I have a couple of back up systems and I’m drooling over a new Mini-14.

    • Hunker-Down says:


      If you mount an AK47 on the go-kart, the Pack might accept it as a prepper-buggy.

      • Hunker-Down,

        Great idea. I would love a prepper-buggy with an AK47. HeeHeeHee.

      • Pineslayer says:

        Don’t think I haven’t thought about it. It is a Rattler XLT, and it is a bone jarring ride. Live axle, great in the slick stuff, and it has a pleasing black and OD green paint job. I have a very patient and understanding wife. At $350 from CL I never stood a chance.

  95. Miss Molly says:

    Well, we ended up doing a little more purchasing today. Went to our Bi-Mart store for some ad specials. Bought lots of canned soups, large cans of fruit, and canned veggies. They had canned shitake mushrooms 2/$1. I love shitake’s but have never found them canned before…excellent addition to soups. We also found a mock Carhart jacket for DH, only $15 too. He was pretty happy with that deal and was especially happy with the large deep inside pocket. Ammo was on sale again, picked up another brick for the new 22 rifle and my Walther p22. We spent the rest of the day working on pruning the orchard. I hope we get another lovely sunny day to finish up the job. We need to get better at using the resources on our property and that starts with taking better care of the trees. It has been so unseasonably sunny here that I thought it was time to prune the roses…no it isn’t Feb. yet. We have some young ornamental crab apple trees that are starting to leaf out (very concerned about this). I also started looking at seeds while we were at the store. The store has already started putting out the garden stuff, had to remind myself again that it is only Jan. lol! I love spring and this weather has been giving me a serious case of very early spring fever. Have a great week everyone and God bless!

  96. axelsteve says:

    I found a unused pack at a garage sale it is real tree cammo . It will make a good daypack. I also bought 3 bags of beans that are 4 lbs each. They only cost 99 cents each. They are on closeout.I all found 2 lachmiller loading presses at a yard sale that I want to get in touch with Nor Cal Ray about.I used some money that I got for selling on of my 22 rifles with and got some good deals.

  97. Chonte' in MD says:

    just wondering if anyone else caught the special on food network “The Big Waste” ? they give the chefs 48 hours to make a meal that feeds 100 people. the catch is that they can only use items that were going to be thrown out. The amount of food that gets wasted is UNREAL. so many people starving and all this food gets trashed instead of donated. it might be a good idea to go to local farms and see if they are willing to give you their discards instead of throwing them in the trash. think of all the canning and dehydrating we could do?? here is a link to the tv schedule if anyone is interested http://www.foodnetwork.com/food-network-specials/the-big-waste/index.html

    • Hi,

      In one of my small farm magazines, they had a very interesting article in regards to food waste.the study was talking about the fact that roughly a third of food is wasted, according to new statistis from the united Nation’s Food and Agiculture, they say they think its around 1.3 Billion! tons per year.. (per qoute from Small Farm)

      Now in the developing world, they are said to lose over 40 percent after harvest time, they lose it while in storage and or transpotion, or while processing and packing.. while in the 1st world nations, they say that we also have more then 40 percent losses but our loss’s occur as a result of retailers and consumers discarding unwanted but perfectly edible food

      I took just over 2000 pds of my personal gardens during the year of 2011, and I figured that I grew/produced/had leftover’s of over 500 pds on top of what made the grade for me, that was used for critter feed and or went to the compost piles as scrap.

      As you truly do need to use peek fruit/veggie for canning, processing and or drying, and as one person running a garden that is pretty much an acre, I said a number of time’s, that I really wished that I had a family or two that I could have give my “seconds” to so they could have been eaten right away, but the main issue with that is a) most folks don’t want seconds, they want the picture perfect looks they would get from the store b) those that will happily eat fresh seconds at least in my area, all garden and in the flush of overload at the same time as me..

      I don’t have TV but it certainly sounds like it would be a interesting show.. for all your hard core gardens, have you been tracking your waste amount and if so, are you under or over the 25% that I got when I tracked it this year and if you don’t have a small mixed farm like me to be able to feed those cracked tomato’s to a flock of very happy ducks/chickens, are you composting all your extras?

      • Plant Lady says:

        I donate any garden extras “too good” for the chickens to family and friends, the Senior Citizens Center where they prepare the Meals on Wheels and the local church food bank. The Meals on Wheels and Food Bank can take all I can give and are most grateful.
        Hopefully this year I will also have goats and pigs for more of the less perfect produce and after GardenMom’s excellent post on dehydrating, will be getting a big dehydrator soon. With MIL here needing care 24/7, just can’t do much canning right now.

      • A friend of mine just told me about the same article! We use, donate, or feed extras to animals. So we have a Zero waste percentage. But, we have a co-op learning farm and everything is consumed by someone.

        I don’t have food scraps in my compost because it draws rodents, and everything not human worthy is feed to animals.

        I used to collect old/bad produce from the local markets and restaurants for animal food. The markets cut the farmers off years ago, due to liability issues. Now, I only get a food stuff from a few locavore restaurants. The price of fuel to collect the buckets is becoming an issue. Now I won’t feed my animals anything that is NOT organic. Too many toxins (Round Up) on GMO crops.

        Walmart throws out TONS of produce that is barely damaged. I would not eat that food anyway. Not even to pigs. But, just sayin.

      • Harold Dean says:

        I used to grow a large garden out of habit, I guess. Three years ago, the daughters asked me to plant some various things for them. I faithfully tended and weeded the garden, watered it in dry weather and stirred the ground up and when the effort started to bear and bear heavily, I could not get any one of them to come pick the bounty. We could not use it all and no one was willing to come gather it. I had a couple that told me if I picked it and delivered it they would be happy to have it. One said he was too lazy to to that kind of work and if times got hard he would just steal what he needed. Last year was a very small garden and several of them came looking for tomatoes because the store prices were too high. Alas, no extra tomatoes or anything else. 4 tomato plants, 4 bell pepper plants, 4 banana pepper plants and 2 zucchini plants. They asked me at Christmas why I had not tilled up the garden patch yet and I told them that I was done with gardening. I said with two ruptured places in my spine and I can’t even get you to come gather what I have planted and tended, I am just going to not garden anymore. Shock and dismay!!!

        • Harold, sad to hear the ungrateful attitudes from your family, after all your hard work, and gardening is constant attendance – no disrespect to you, but sounds like they will have no oil in their lamps when it is time.

          Take care of yourself – get your self squared away as best you can…and get that back seen to now – while you can…cheers.

    • Chonte’,
      Thanks for posting the link to this program. This coming Saturday is the next chance for me to see it. To bad there aren’t more slots scheduled. On the way to setting up the DVR to record I noticed that Foodnetwork will begin running the next set of episodes of “The Pioneer Woman” with cookbook author Ree Drummond, starting 9 AM this coming Saturday, at least on my DISH network system. Anyone who watched and liked the first season (7 episodes) and doesn’t know the series is returning might want to pay a visit and set up their DVR.

      • Chonte' in MD says:

        im so glad the you guys donated what you can. if you watch the show it will break your heart. one of the orchards the visted told them they run with 45% waste…thats almost half the crop!! i get that rotting veggies should be thrown in the compost but the amount of food they find is eyeopening. i hope everyone who’s able will get a chance to watch it.

    • chonte in md…your post reminded me of a program on a radio station a few days ago – mentioned that we aussies throw out over $5m worth of food from our fridges…there are only 22.5m of us here…it’s a disgrace.

      you are right re so many people starving (and homeless) yet when some people have feed the homeless in a part of the US – has not turned out okay for them…read some articles on this on the net – if I find the links will attach them.

      excellent idea about asking local producers for discards, the amount of dehydrated food that could then be all ready to go, hand the packs out to help others during our floods and cyclones – and we have lost power for weeks – I am definately going to look into this suggestion – cheers.

    • I can’t see to get much from the more useful networks without a television, but I did catch a show called “Dive!: Living Off America’s Waste.”

      Basically this bunch of otherwise well-off people were dumpster diving for their groceries, and then they saw a rise of newcomers and started questioning why so much was going into landfills instead of being given to food kitchens.

  98. MtWoman (N Texas) says:
  99. Candy in Nebraska says:

    DH is curious if anyone has had any experience will the Duromax Insulated Building? We are curious if it would work as a temporary house in snow kinda like a refridgerated semi trailer?

  100. I just wanted to share something absolutely hilarious with all of you. http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/end-of-the-world/are-video-games-adequately-preparing-kidsfor-the-post-apocalyptic-future.html

    I’m going to check the links later to see if they lead to anything plausible.

  101. Four five gallon “Jerry Cans” from Cheaper Than Dirt” along with five more USGI 20 round M14 magazines. Also ordered 100 rounds of Horaday 150 grain Match BTHP .308 and some spare parts from Fulton Armory.

  102. Anyone run into the new Ruger SR22 semi-auto pistol? I had heard of it but just saw a pic. Looks like any of the new “super nines” and is being featured at the Las Vegas Shot Show. The article/review I read implies that it may well become a classic….like the Ruger MKII/III. Haven’t heard the price.

    • templar knight says:

      I want me one. Rumor has it the price will be in the $400 range, a little pricey, but the price will come down I hope. Prices are usually a little less than the suggested retail price anyway.

  103. Lexington says:

    OTOH, had “the conversation” with SWMBO and it had a surprising turn … she’s on board with bivy sacks. This is a big plus, as it shaves the weight of shelter by 2/3. Found these at a decent price: http://titaniumgoat.com/Bivy.html. I’d never heard of them, but they were referenced as being better than another sack in the reviews for the other, more expensive, sack. I also like that it is a quiet gray color. I have signalling and communication devices … if I want to be found, I can arrange that. But I want to control whether it happens or not. Gray on the ground is a good camo color as the shape and color of the sack rather resembles a weathered rock out-cropping.

  104. SurvivorDan says:

    Sort of out of the ordinary prepping activity, but a fellow prepper and I are going to the ANME and SHOT shows in Vegas. See the latest and greatest in long term foods, food prepartion eqipment, tents, weapons, bags, clothing , gear, solar ovens etc.
    I’m not a rich yuppie prepper but there might be some decent gear and food products there and I can touch them, taste them and test them before I order another strange and disappointing item sight-unseen on-line. The trip will cost the equivalent of a lot of preps but I hope to find some good stuff and will report back here on anything interesting.

    • SurvivorDan says:

      By ‘strange and disappointing items bought on-line’ I was NOT referring to MD’s recommended products which he has vetted and approves of. I mean that whiz-bang knife or solar oven that I bought on a strange site and was ripped off for.
      Caveat emptor.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Dan, if you have the inclination to do so, I would enjoy reading your assessments of the SHOT & AMNE shows in LV. I will probably never attend one, so reading your comments would be quite helpful. Thanks.

  105. Here’s another article on totally drug resistant TB–outbreaks in both India and Iran.


  106. MENTALMATT says:

    Hey Lint Picker, Dont make me come after you, I was really concerned. I was ready to call out all the units, and the dogs. Good luck on finding a new place, get the hell out of California. god Bless.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Matt, I noticed NOBODY offered a reward for information leading to my whereabouts. Seems you guys weren’t that worried about me. LMAO

      • You never offer a reward the first week someone is gone.

      • templar knight says:

        Well, I was about to offer a pink flashlight as a reward. I figured that would flush you out of hiding. My first thought was to offer a bag of boiled peanuts, but H-D wanted those to pave the road in front of his house, or so he said. Personally, I think he is a closet boiled-peanut lover.

        • Hunker-Down says:


          I love peanuts. Grade A peanuts are dry roasted, coated in a clear candy shell and painted in lots of pretty colors, with an “M”.
          They get respect.
          The Grade B nuts are ground into delicious peanut butter; I have a pp&j sandwich every day for lunch.
          The other junk that cant make the grade are boiled, mostly for livestock feed. They never make it up North.

      • Lint, TK told me to follow the cracked shells of boiled peanuts and the UPS/FedEx guys with bad backs. Lol I was on the 101 when you posted you were back (LA area of course lol)

        • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

          All I know is if my life depended on the sleuthing abilities of any of you guys, I’d have been a goner. You all need to work on your tracking and interrogation skills. Colombo is turning over in his grave.

          • templar knight says:

            I don’t know about that. I suggested to MD that he contact NorCalRay to see if he could get in touch with you, and NCR did know a mutual friend to contact. Not that it did any good, mind you, but I thought it was a pretty good angle from someone who is a couple of thousand miles away, and doesn’t know your name, address, phone number, e-mail or cell phone number. Of course, I could have called every hospital in No. California and asked them if they had admitted a patient with a flashlight fetish. That seemed a little far-fetched, though.

            I’ll admit to being worried about you, but I had a feeling you were going to show up with an adventure to talk about, although I figured it might have to do with a hospital stay and a pretty nurse. I’m pretty dang glad it was an adventure of another sort. You be careful from now on, and watch out for wet floors. Or I’ll sic MamaJ on you, she knows how to deal with boys who get out of line. LOL.

            • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

              Oh no, not MamaJ – I’m quaking in my boots (well, actually my slippers – still can’t wear my boots). Yeah, poor NorCalRay, he said he got inundated with questions about my “disappearance”. OK, I’ll post a message to the Pack next time I take off for a few days. Sheesh – this place is worse than having a nagging wife. (not that I ever had a nagging wife, but I’ve heard stories)

      • You almost had the biker of the apocolyps my evil twin. Looking for you.

        • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

          The biker of the apocolypse – I think I went to school with that guy. Scary dude.

  107. Another good week of preps:

    I resealed 6 x 5 gallon food storage buckets with Mylar bags as my original attempt 2 weeks ago left too much air in them (rice and flour). I also added 22 lbs of beans to my long term food storage.
    Purchased another large container of coffee
    Ordered a minor surgery kit and an additional 397 piece first aid kit
    Refilled my 5 and 7 gallon water containers and purified them
    Took my DD hiking in the mountains and hills 4 times
    Settled on an area for a retreat cabin in the sierras, now looking at land plots
    Researched cabin kits and modulars

    Questions for the Wolf Pack:
    Does spaghetti or any type of pasta store well in Mylar bags and food grade buckets and if so what is the expectant shelf life?

    Does anyone have any experience with Victorio VKP1012 Hand Operated Grain Mill and would you recommend it? I have never used a grain mill of any type so this will be another self taught lesson.


    • d2 prep…that ground flour will not store as long as wheat berries (30years ++).

      My ground flour is good for about 12 months – but stored in the tropics – so you may get better longevity.

      LDS has a huge free download on all things prepping/storage.

      Search on this blog…it has been linked already.

      also, google ‘vacuum sealing beans and rice’ – will see youtube video of someone showing how to use empty dry clean soda bottles – all sizes – instead of vac seal foodsaver bags…will still need to place these in vermin proof buckets. will definately save you some money as bags are expensive – yet very handy for me, so, go with what works for you.

      yes, pasta does store well in mylar bags – with O2 absorbers, leave pasta in its original packets – must get an O2 free environment. Mine are all stored this way.

      LDS manual will tell you all the different storage periods – including the difference in years, depending on the temperature items are stored at…pace yourself – this is a new way of life.

      You probably have a sense of urgency – I know that I did when I first started…remember – at least you are on your way…you are doing something productive to ensure your family’s future.

      And I don’t have all the answers, still learning also. cheers.

      • Chloe thank you! I found the site and was just watching one of the videos and reading the info. So with your pasta, you keep them in the original packages, then inside the mylar bags with oxygen absorbers in the food grade buckets?

        You are right the more I learn the more I feel I need to do. I try to do a little each week to sure up areas of my preparations. I actually enjoy doing it and find it to be as fun as a hobby. I try to tell my family that it is like an insurance policy. Need to do it just in case….

        Thanks again for your insight!

        • d2 prep…and, have to tell you, that once I got all my beans and band-aids stored, then I had to start practicing getting out of dodge (GOOD).

          Some days, my level of paranoia is heightened – and I have to keep moving more stuff to yet another location…be flexible…just in case you cannot stay where your preps are…

          in my opinion, it would be unwise to store all your preps/things in one place, and for whatever reason – circumstances out of your control, means you have to move quickly and leave…

          I practice various prepping things, and stay active and as agile as I can.

          Take that GOOD drive – topo maps, with local phone book maps, and the locally printed map of the area – had to peruse all combined, finally allowed me to really see what was available. Makes me wonder if vital info is left out of our civilian maps purposely…

          And I’m still spewing that some roads that are marked as ‘through’ roads, aren’t.

          Test those headlamps, tents, rope, solar lights, knives.

          Cook outdoors (not in your backyard, or patio) in the bush…that’ll make the expletives come thick and fast for a while, until you finally can cook a good filling meal from a coffee can stove…

          Had to get organized during the afternoons with my meal preparations so I would have no campfire burning when it got dark…if SHTF – have to keep a low profile.

          My little battery radio has earplugs, so I can stay in touch with daily news, but my TV was/is the stars and night sky.

          also, when you get to the stage of planting a stealth garden – (e.g., in places where I go camping to test my prep items), don’t expect the growth of the fruit to be anywhere near the normal size…when I checked on some pineapple tops I had planted, the fruit was only the size of a medium apple – and that pineapple was fully ripe.

          The more I learn, the more there seems to be to learn…so, a little each day sees progress.

          There is a ton of stuff on the net…however, I really needed to talk/share with other like-minded people, after years of only being able to discuss preps with my DD.
          As you will need to be careful about what you tell people who live near you, and/or who you interact with on a daily basis…better to share anonymously on this blog –

          Be aware that neighbours will call in unannounced – especially in the country…when you have bags of opened wheat/rice/beans, scoops, sharpie, vacuum sealer all set up for the hours it takes to get it all packed up and all stored away, and all in full view – when they come driving up the driveway…the first question is usually ‘where did you get all the buckets?

          Even though I live in the boonies, now when I arrive home with a carload of preps to repackage, I re-padlock the gate down at the dirt road, and drive up to my home…and when my phone rings, if it’s anyone other than my DD, it goes to voice-mail until I’m finished and stuff is all hidden away.

          have fun.

          • I agree with all your points. I only have one neighbor who has a clue as to what I am up to. He is prepping on a smaller scale as well and I would want him in my group WTSHTF. Other neighbors although I like them, I view as potential vultures. Convincing my family that I am not “off the reservation” is the next biggest hurdle (LOL). I appreciate your feedback as I have along way to go.

  108. Has anyone studied herbal medicine? I would like to learn about herbs, but am not very disciplined to just read a text book on my own. There is a course called the East West School of herbology that looks very good, but is also very expensive.

    • Donna, I am a licensed practitioner of Oriental Medicine and started out, like you, interested in using herbs for healing.

      The East-West school is excellent, but as you say, expensive.

      I have been sitting on my hands undecided whether to write up an article related to herbal training resources for this blog and it looks like the time is now.

      • bmerry – training resources would be helpful. I have a few herbal books, but would like something interactive, or some dvds to watch, as I find I learn better that way.

    • MtWoman is working on a post on herbal medicine.

  109. breadmomma says:

    a little bit off topic, but I am mad as hell…Twinkies, Hohos and Dingdongs may be a thing of the past…seems that the company is going to have to file chapter 22 or go totally bankrupt…with all the negatives about all of us fat US citizens, those of us that revere the little soft cakes with the “cream” center ( ok, fat, sugar, and lots of things I can’t pronounce) if you are into gratuitous junk food, you may want to stock up on these bad boys while you still can…of course, none of us have personal responsibility and it was the companies fault for making us eat too many of these things along the way….I wonder how long a twinkie can last in a nitrogen packed can????

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      breadmomma, I heard on the news this morning that Hostess was filing for bankruptcy. What a bummer! I liked the Twinkies when I was a kid, but as an adult I sometimes got a hankering for a berry pie. Those things were really tasty after a day of treasure hunting (and finding nothing) or after driving 400 miles to get to a good fishing location (and catching nothing). Them little pies were the pot of gold at the end of the rainbor, or the brass ring at the merrygoround. And now I’ll have no more berry pies to eat, no more little donuts covered with pneumonia-inducing powdered confectioner’s sugar, no more sugar rush. WAAAAAAAAH!

      What’s next? What other company will bite the dust? I shudder to think.

    • Wow man, I’m sorry. I insist on being part of that problem by not wasting my money on them.

      Easy access to Twinkies-like products has caused my inability to eat cakes and cookies and pie now, but I don’t think that the products themselves should go away.

      No, I’m not diabetic yet, sugary foods simply make me curl up on the floor and make me wish I were dead. This could have been prevented by so many factors that rest on my shoulders alone, and the rest of the preventative factors seem impractical outside of some grand conspiracy.

  110. conmaze (nofla) says:

    I accomplished more than I expected over the weekend. I went to Sam’s and got my usual tuna fish, canned corn and canned salmon. I also got a pack of 24 microfiber towels in the auto section for 50 cents a piece. They are a great cleaning cloth, rinse well and dry very quickly. I even use them as hot pads in the kitchen. I got to Sam’s too late and the girls in the bakery were gone so I missed out on getting any empty frosting buckets. No packing buckets this week! Then I hit Big Lots and picked up 9 packs of Bear Creek Soups for $3 ea. The coolest find of the day were battery operated “closet” lights. They come in a two pack for $5 and take 3 AA batteries per light (included). I bought 3 packs to try them out to see how bright they really are. I am always worried about not having enough good work light in the kitchen if the power goes, so I held two of them up under the cabinets and wow, I was impressed! I then took one into the bathrooms, closets, even the bedrooms. Puts out a good light! They are not LED and only have a single little bulb. You can mount with hook and loop, double-sided tape or with screws and they have a toggle switch on the side. I’m going to get enough to do my whole kitchen area and put one inside the door of each room so I can turn on a light when I walk in, even if it’s just to make sure I don’t trip over the dogs! These little things are great! Now I will have to test to see how long the batteries last.

    I started gathering all of the stuff I’ve purchased over the last few months for two BOBs and realized I have almost everything I need! I also bought some small Christmas tins on clearance at Big Lots and found my two-way radio, Eton Red Cross solar/crank radio, solar charger for the two-way and cell phone and one of many backup thumb drives fit in perfectly. Now I need to find something to line the tin with for EMP protection and I’ll be ready to pack it up.

    Ladies, I also bought my daughter a Diva Cup for her bag just in case. I don’t have that monthly worry any longer, but I remember it well enough that if I were walking to get home or get wherever, I sure wouldn’t want to have to have to stop and go off by myself to find a hidden area to “make a change” every few hours – the Diva Cup will carry you through about 12 hours. What a great invention! One-time cost instead of having to stock up on boxes and boxes of tampons or pads and then wondering how to dispose of them. Ew, so unsanitary! She bought herself one to use now so she can eliminate the monthly costs of pads, etc., and puts that savings into buying more preps. What a good girl *grin*

    Another thing I did/discovered that got me excited was in the fall I had purchased 3 boxes of cheap outdoor solar lights on clearance from Tractor Supply for $4 for a box of six. I took one of them apart and discoved they run on AA batteries. Woot woot! So that means not only did I get 18 solar lights each with a AA rechargable battery, but I got 18 solar battery chargers – all for $12! Who needs to buy an expensive charging unit? I’ll just keep switching out the batteries on the lights! I also bought some jars at the Dollar Tree that have a hinged glass lid like on the old style canning jars that used the rubbers, the type of jar for bath salts or cotton balls. If I remove the ground stake from the solar light, the top of the solar light (charging panel and bulb with clear plastic globe) fit neatly into the jar and the solar panel snugs right up to the top of the glass lid. Voila, pretty little solar lights to set on the table or add a wire bail handle and hang it from a hook. In the morning just take it back outside and charge it up for the next night. I think the charging panel being under the glass magnifies the sun’s rays because those lights appear to be much brighter than the others. Bonus!

    Anyway, it was a good week. Finding solutions to worrisome problems, the simple things I can do to prep to make my life easier, safer and as close to “normal” as possible always make me happy.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      Wow, lots of great prepping done this past week. Good work!

    • Grannytraveler says:

      I love those Dollar Store lidded jars with the rubber gasket. I buy them whenever I can find them and use them to store all kinds of items from spices, etc., to craft supplies. You cannot beat the price. They may be made in China but glass is inert and the rubber gasket doesn’t seem to touch anything so I figure they are safe to use. Don’t tell me if I am wrong. LOL.

      Love the idea on the solar lights!

  111. Grannytraveler says:

    Splurged this week and bought 4 cans of Mtn. House entrees. Also picked up pasta real cheap on sale and had coupons too!! My family calls me the pasta queen but I know it will go fast if there is any kind of a disaster. Only difficulty will be the water. Finally some good deals on holiday stuff. After the holidays it was only 50% off – not good enough for me. Bought a lot of zip lock holiday bags now that they’re 75% off. Also found a lot of holiday quickbread mixes for $1.00. I like to cook things from scratch but when there’s a deal, I’ll snap it up. Plus the men in my family will eat anything.

    I need to start organizing my storage room better. I know where everything is but no one else does and that could create difficulties if I am not in the area when something bad happens. That’s my major new year’s resolution. Need some more shelving. It’s in an upstairs room that is only used in the summer when grandkids come from out of state. Last year I had all the shelves and shelf reliance shelf bolted to the walls in case of earthquakes. This year I want to get some kind of netting to keep things on the shelf in case of shaking. Most glass things I have in cupboards with latches.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      You mentioned that you want to use some netting to keep your stored foods from falling off the shelves. Great idea! Have you considered using the type of cargo netting used on SUV’s or ATVs? They might work really well, but getting them for cheap may be an exercise in futility.

      • Grannytraveler says:

        Yeah, they don’t seem too economical. I was thinking of getting a roll of that orange plastic netting just to wrap around the shelving and having hooks on the side for easy access. I store heavy stuff on the bottom and lighter things as we move up. I still have a dresser to get bolted to the wall and it contains oil lamps that I picked up cheaply at Kmart and additional medical supplies, etc. Other lamps are still in their original boxes. I am trying to think proactively especially after seeing stuff flying off the selves on video from the Japanese quake. I’m trying to lock everything down but with my luck the roof will fall in or there will be a fire.LOL. At least I don’t have to worry about tornados or snow. Winter has disappeared here in SoCal. Not even any rain.

        • conmaze (nofla) says:

          I know what you mean about the roof falling in or fire! We can try to be prepared for almost everything. Key words – “try” and “almost everything.” I live in north Florida and tornadoes came dangerously close to us last year. Worse yet, I live in a mobile home with no basement so all of my preps are stored in my house, so if we survive the tornado everything to help us in the aftermath would probably be gone. I would love to be able to afford an underground storm shelter just to be able to try to stay alive! *sigh* After seeing pictures of Joplin, I guess it really doesn’t matter. Solid brick homes were completely wiped away and all that was left was the cement slab on the ground. How do you prepare for that, other than going underground? But still, there were some amazing stories of survival that you know had God’s fingerprints all over them!

          I have to trust that if we do the best we can to prepare and stay right with God and place ourselves in His hands we will have no worries no matter what happens. He helps those who help themselves (and others). Just keep being proactive and do your prepping and praying and trusting! (o:

        • Cliff in Douglasville says:

          Having lived in Japan for a while (years ago) I have a pretty good handle on the earthquake thing. Things that I kept on open shelves, like books and boxes of electronic parts and stuff like that, I just put an eye bolt in the frame on either side of the shelf, one set about 2 inches up and the other set about 2 inches or so from the top or moved them closer together as needed depending on what was on the shelf then I just had bunge cords that I strung from one eyebolt across to the other and they kept things pretty much in place. I usually had to hook two together to make the span but they were still in tight and kept stuff on the shelf. I also had an upright computer stand with the monitor on the top leaning forward. I used two bunge cords to secure the monitor to the metal frame and the only way it would have rocked off was if the whole metal stand took a tumble. If it was bad enough for that we had bigger problems than things falling off the shelf. At one point my wife didn’t like the looks of them so I took wire and ran it from eyebolt to eyebolt in the bottom of the shelf and we found some cheap lace curtains (they made those for vans in Japan) and I threaded them on the wire. I could flip them up, get what I needed and didn’t have everything on an open shelf for everyone to see. Not sure if that will help what you have in mind but it worked for me.

          • Grannytraveler says:

            The bungee cord idea sounds great – I have a lot of those. I will also look in the garage and see what kind of wire I can find. It’s amazing what turns up out there. My husband likes to start things but rarely finishes them so I have almost 40 years of unused stuff accumulated. The wire sounds like it might even be better than the bungee cords. Both good ideas. Thanx 🙂

  112. well lets see made about 40 of my egg carton candles to help start campfires when everything is whet[k-bar tanto did nice job of seperating the idevidual cups from the wole carton will have to redo the edge though,usualy need the hacksaw for this job] put about 30 of them in bob#2 wicth gave me opertunity to reveve its contents,still some tweking to do but thats whay thay call it pereping,for an apartment liver on a fixed income i sometime cant beleve how well preped i am,will soon put the others in bob #1 and revewe its contents az well,prep the body prep the sole.

  113. Plant Lady says:

    I am just plain weirded out – it was 50 degrees here today. We are in the north…as in the only thing north of us is Canada…and we are even north of a big chunk of the eastern half of Canada. The last time it was 50 degrees on this day was in 1928! Most of the past two weeks we have been in the high 30s-40s…this is just plain wrong. Our normal high is 26 degrees! I played outside and rebuilt the hoops over the two winter salad gardens and did some transplanting and weeding. Ok, I ate some too (hehe). It felt like I was in the Twilight Zone the whole time.
    Got my first LDS order: 100 lb. white wheat, 100 lb. quick oats, 50 lb. rice, 50 lb. dry milk, 100 mylar bags and 100 O2 absorbers. It is such a good feeling to see a sizable pile of food! (hehe) Got my pails sanitized and it is supposed to rain/sleet/snow tomorrow, so packing up sounds like a good project. Hit a great sale so also have 6 lbs. of chicken breasts and big ham to dissect and vacuum seal. When I get down to the bone, I foresee a big pot of split pea soup!
    Got my first egg of the season – a pretty blue one. By the end of the month production will be picking up. Got to get an order in for some Cochins and assorted meat birds. Not the mutant Cornish Cross, just an assortment of heavy males. Roosters are the eye candy of the chicken world. Might as well have something pretty to look at while you are waiting to eat them (hehe).
    Sis & BIL went to Sams Club and brought me four 2-pks. of Jif Peanut Butter (40 oz. ea) for $9.79 – Walmart price $12.97, up from $10.49 last week. Also got three 500 ct. Vitamin C 1000 mg. at $14 ea. (Walmart price $18.88). Got a few other things I can’t recall at the moment. I really need to find time to get down there, but its an hour one-way drive and with MIL here finding a time to get away for a few hours is a real trick.
    Buying a stainless cheese press was going to be my “big ticket” item for this month, but after reading Garden Mom’s great article on dehydrating, think I will get a dehydrator instead. I am looking at the Excalibur 9-tray but have no idea which of the liner sheets to get? Which do you use? More than one kind for different purposes?Do you need to replace them – how often? If you use it a lot, does your electric bill obviously increase?
    Installing the woodstove is turning into a comedy. Every time we get a minute to work on it MIL has another stroke or somebody else dies (2 this week) or somebody stops by to visit or hubby has to work…or the main hearth piece of plywood delams over an 18″ area (never saw that before in brand new?). Its going…but in slo-mo (sigh) It was making me cranky but has turned comical now, just waiting to see what will prevent us working on it next.

    • templar knight says:

      Plant Lady, I gave up trying to get my wood stove installed, and hired it done. My wife doesn’t have your disposition. LOL. By the way, it’s been in the 60s here(No. Central Arkansas) lately, but was 19 degrees with blowing snow this morning. Quite a change. And to me you’re one of the most admirable members of the Wolfpack, and there is a large number in the Pack to admire. Taking care of your MIL and grandpa is one of the hardest things one can do, but I believe God has a special place in Heaven for folks who take care of their family like you do. Best regards.

      • Plant Lady says:

        templar knight: I wish we could afford to hire it done! But, it is something we can do ourselves so we can instead use the money for a dehydrator, cheese press, storage food, etc. – so we are going to “endeavor to persevere” and get it done when we can. And being an artist and sculptor with a serious rock fetish, I am really looking forward to laying the slate on the hearth and walls. At least with the warm weather we aren’t burning too much propane before we get it done.
        Boy, your 19 degrees/snow in the far south vs our 36 degrees/rain this morn in the far north illustrates just how wrong the weather has been! Of course, it changed this pm and now we are looking at 5″ of snow and temps around 10 by tomorrow night.
        Thank you for your kind words…but what I am doing for the old folks is only what everyone had to do before the last couple generations. And what everyone will have to do once TSHTF. It will be easier for you when its your turn if you don’t think of it as something deserving admiration, but rather just another ordinary stage of life (hehe). It is hard and I may not have done it if I had known exactly what it would entail…especially thinking it would last at most a month or two…and that was 5 years ago (hehe). But, it is pretty much just like having kids…if you knew ahead of time what you were getting into, you would never do it (hehe).

        • MtWoman (N Central Texas) says:

          Plant Lady…I am with you. I moved in with my father (after my step-mother passed away suddenly)…for what was supposed to be 3-6 months….and it’s been almost 4 years. I didn’t have a clue what it would be like. It’s been an incredible challenge, as he is declining mentally & physically, and I get NO help from his other kids (who live fairly close by) . But in my heart I know I’ve done the right thing for a daughter to do, and I’ll have no regrets.

        • templar knight says:

          There is more wisdom in your last two sentences than I’ve seen or heard in a year. And, of course, you are right about how things will be once times get hard. Take care, Plant Lady.

  114. templar knight says:

    Lake Lili has not posted this week, either. She said on last week’s thread that she was sick, and was going to the doctor Monday to see if she had pneumonia. I think all of us who do should pray that Lake Lili has a good outcome, and that she is getting better. I hope we hear from her soon.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      I’ll say a prayer for Lake Lili. She is a good woman. I hope and pray she is well and back to posting here soon.

  115. Hunker-Down says:

    For those with a fat wallet, Tattler has a good deal on their lids but it is for a quantity of 200.


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  117. Col. S. Gray (RET) says:

    Read a few of the posts on places to live today. Very interesting comments concerning Kentucky, which is where I live. Actually, I moved back to my home of Eastern KY with the thought of the SHTF in mind.

    One of the reasons I did this was simply….geography. The area where I live is very mountainous. There are no large concentrations of population within 100 miles. There are limited avenues of approach by wheeled or tracked vehicle. Resources are vast, from timber and water to coal, natural gas and oil.

    The people here are very clannish and generally lived here for many generations. Most are very skilled woodsmen and if they accept you…loyal to the death.

    Property can generally be purchased very cheap compared to city areas. Example, last year I purchased a 200 acre tract that used to be a mine. As far a defensible positions go, let’s say the only thing I would worry about would be attacks from the air. At that point the deep reinforced stone shafts come in very handy.

    Many of the posts I read today within the article seemed to come from persons unfamiliar with the true characteristics of this area. Having grownup here, I can tell you that the Appalachian Mountains are not only great fallback positions, but also if you check your history on the migration of this country early on….this was one area that flourished due to the benefits I listed above.

    Anyway….such was my day.

    • Lint Picker (Northern California) says:

      When you’ve got a good thing, sometimes it’s best to keep it to yourself. The blogger who keeps telling his readers to move to the “American Redoubt” may live to regret his decision to promote the area. My state used to be great, until everybody and his brother moved here.

      • Col. S. Gray (Ret) says:

        Logical point of course Lint Picker. I am not overly concerned with the prospect however. Confident that I am not engaged in serial promotion of the area, coupled with the innate issues that generally steer people away from the area (as seen in the posts) I am not worried that I will awaken next week and find the area saturated with an influx of new arrivals.

    • Harold Dean says:

      Colonel, at my mature age of seventy two, I have came to the conclusion that no matter where I lived, there are other places I would like to live when certain circumstances happen that make me wonder why I chose to locate where I did. My generation grew up having to subsist with a lot of what we grew or hunted and foraged and were used to working with the hand tools to provide what we needed to live with. Point in favor of this is situation that happened with a neighbor across the street who was wanting to put in some fencing. He needed some post holes dug and I offered him my venerable old twist post auger that I have used since I was barely into my teens. He asked what is this?. He was used to seeing the youtube videos of people with the two handled jab diggers to dig holes with. Bad back and all, I went ahead and after sharpening the cutting edge, I dug the first hole for him. He returned the auger an hour later with only two more holes dug and went down and rented a hydraulic powered unit that had an engine and pump in the truck bed and long hoses to the motor driving the unit. He would have been lost or dead in a SHTF situation. I am familiar with your location since a lot of my ancestors came from that part of the woods and I have made numerous trips back there. It is wonderful and is just as good a place as any other. At my age and physical condition, I am stuck where I am and since I figure that my worst worries are the Golden Hordes of unprepared people (including some neighbors), I need to work on evasion, camouflage and defensive measures which is what I am going to concentrate on. Best to you sir and thanks for your service. Harold

      • Hunker-Down says:

        Harold Dean,

        I have a twist post auger from my dads farm, and use it a few times a year. It was his favorite tool to hand to me when we worked the fence line.

        • Harold Dean says:

          Hope you got as much use out of it as I did. I was seventeen and wanting to get out of the woods and join the Army since the high school refused to graduate me early on the grounds that American History was a requirement. They also refused to give me a test that I could have easily passed on the grounds it was only offered in the senior year of high school. I already had several more credits than need to graduate only lacking that one. I left and entered the ARmy and finished my education acquiring a BS in Electrical and Mechanical Engineering and later in my 50’s my Masters in Electrical. In order to get my parents to sign the permission for me to enlist since I was seventeen, I had to run a fence line down the east edge of our property. 317 post holes later, some that I had to carry water in a 5 gallon bucket from the spring to soften the hard ground, I finished the fence with posts I had cut myself from our woods, boring them for the rails with sharpened ends to fit between the posts, I was allowed to enter the Army. School was out on the 29th of May and I enlisted on the 21st of June. I will always remember that bargain because if I had not done it I probably would have retired from a menial backbreaking type of job since that was all I had to look forrward to without advanced education. I retired making more than 100k a year as a senior field service engineer. Harold

      • Col. S. Gray (Ret) says:

        Harold Dean:

        Thank you Sir for your service as well. I agree with you that there are hordes of out population that have lived such a posh life that the mere thought of physical labor is abhorent to them.

        If the SHTF, these people will be a serious problem both to security and assets. Unfortunately we will not be able to help them…and that is a sad fact.

        Goodluck to you Sir and if you are ever in the area be sure to email me.


  118. M.D. & the Other Wolf Pack Gun Gurus,

    When it is suggested that we stock up on at last 250 rounds of our primary defensive weapon, does that include target ammo?

    I ask because I need to stock up on ammo. I have a box of 100 hollow points for home defense. I guess my question is this: what percentage of your ammo is for self-defense and what percentage is for target practice?

    • Gayle,
      There is no set rule on how much ammo you need to put away, 250 round would likely suffice for self-defense because you / we should avoid confrontation if possible. A good rule of thumb is to stock as much ammo as you can afford, with 250 rounds being a good starting point that can be built upon if time and finances permit. Ammo used for practice should be replaced a.s.a.p.

      • Thanks, M.D. I will make a trip to Walmart tomorrow and replace the target ammo that I shot up this week. I really like my new Glock 19. It is so easy to shoot. I am getting better. My shots were in line vertically with the bulls eye with a nice grouping but some of my shots tended to be a little low.

  119. Harold Dean says:

    Just found something relevant in the propane storage question. The 29lb and the 100lb cylinders are the ones under suspicion around here. For some reason they never even look at the 30 lb cylinders with the quick disconnects they use on the forklift trucks. They also do not consider the horizontal tanks that are in the propane powered truck beds since they do not consider them portable. Out of curiousity we weighed one that belongs to one of the telephone servicemen who lived on the other side of the block and purchased the truck from the phone company when they bought new ones. It only took removing the four 3/8″ bolts to be able to move the tank. Empty one man can handle it and with it full of propane it weights just a little over 300 pounds and can be handled by two people. Guess what I am going to use to store my propane now after I buy the truck from the guy next door. Don’t have a forklift or any reason to have one but if you were located right next to a small factory like one of my friends and his rack is going to be located right against the factory rack on his side of the fence with the locked tanks stored in it. I realize that I could have a large stationary tank set up but that would cause questions since our area is well served with natural gas and I think that in the event of any SHTF situation, they would probably collect the propane from those tanks within the first week. As a matter of fact they will probably requisition the truck also so I will keep it temporarily out of repair. The reason why the emphasis on propane is because it can be used for many things other than fuel and in the event of disruption, you do not need electricity to pump it like you would with underground gasoline tanks. This is written up in the city’s major disruptive events suggestions for a terrorism incident. Strike out the word terrorism and you will undertand their thinking. Also on the subject of relocation, after this last trip to the Doctor and finding I have two areas of vertabra disruption, this renders me incapable of relocating to a more rural area. I guess I will just have to go with my other idea of the metal shipping container with a lot of my stores in the back end and have the entire front end strategically loaded with useless junk, like old mowers, garden tractors and washing machines effectively blocking view of an access to my stores that I don’t have in the house, basement or under the floor in the two rooms not over the basement. I have figured that by placing the junk in such a manner that it can be moved aside with the aid of a bar or comealong, I can hid my stuff in case I am raided for what is in the house. Harold

  120. Harold Dean says:

    MD, Just took a good look at the front cover of your book and just had to ask this question. Did you ever happen to see the Ray Milland movie called “Panic in the year zero”? Picture of the trailer is what made me think of it. Harold

    • Harold Dean,

      I’ve seen it – good movie btw.

      • Harold Dean says:

        That have any bearing on your decision to use a trailer. I have thought about the times I had used ours during a couple of ice storms and wish now I had not let the DW talk me into getting rid of it. Harold

        • Harold Dean,

          No, I just needed a place to live at the time…

          • Harold Dean says:

            Just a stray random thought I had M.D., when I saw the picture and the idea clicked into my head. Along that line, however, when I was inquiring about the metal shipping container I mentioned in an earlier post about a place to store my preps, a got several suggestions about using a couple of them suitably coated and buried as retreat shelters. I guess they would work for that but I don’t think I would really like to live underground. I’m not claustrophobic but I need all of the natural light anymore to be able to see everything clearly. Nothing like giving someone unscrupulous a hundred dollar bill instead of a one because you couldn’t see clearly. Hasn’t happened in a long time since we stopped carrying much cash and use the swipe card for purchases and keep a close eye on the account. Only been scammed once for 12.37 but spotted it and got it instantly reversed by the bank. When I reported it to the establishment where I had used the card that day for the only time, they told me they had just had their machine serviced. When I told them it had to have came from their machine since the card was not impressed but simply swiped, they protested until I called the manager. He removed the machine immediately and several days later told me that it had a fake reader chip implanted and he was going forward with a lawsuit against the company who had serviced the machine. He no longer uses that company but one the bank recommended. Harold

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