This is a guest post and entry in our non-fiction writing contest by Kim B.
Many years ago, my family knew a gentleman in his late fifties whom was living off-the-grid. He had his own garden to supplement his grocery bill, used lanterns for lighting his home and outhouse, heated his home and cooked all of his food with a wood stove and even caught fish once or twice a week right from his own back yard setup.
In all the time that we knew him, normally running into one another at our local post office, we had visited his residence only once as we had not received an invitation until one special day in which he wanted us to see what he had just installed onto his land.
Taking him up on his invite, we drove to his house and upon arrival we received a smile and an outstretched hand. After a bit of conversation and explanation about how he was living he excitedly began to tell us that he turned a pickup canopy upside down and filled it with water which he let warm up for a few weeks before putting several Gold Fish in. He explained that he set it up so that if the fish were to die then he would know that the water was not safe to drink.
Although we have never seen him since, I have never forgotten him and I still think that his creativity was unique and interesting even though it may not have been a foolproof means of ensuring the safety of that water. Personally, I would not use a canopy because it is made of metal that may not be good for ingestion but I think that if he had lined it with the right materials he would have had something there.
Currently, I am preparing to return to an off-the-grid lifestyle on five acres and planning for a live food supply. To save myself some money, time and labor, I have decided to build a few four-foot long by four-foot wide, two-and-a-half to three-foot high, wooden frames in the style of boxes with the corners reinforced with two-by-two’s, line the bottom with several inches of sand and the interior with a thick food-grade plastic. To not only clean up the exterior but to give the walls a little extra support, which I know is not necessary as I have already built and used an identical tank for years, I will use some small concrete blocks all the way around.
Because there may be little to no usage of the grid for many people and stores may no longer have fish and other “cold” or “frozen” foods available, I have planned to fill a few tanks with Gold Fish of different ages so that when I want a fish dinner I can go to the tank, slide open a lightweight one-fourth inch Carpenter cloth-covered top frame that will help to keep vipers and other creatures out, and catch and supplement my diet with the oldest of them. Unless I have enormous tanks with hundreds of adults and babies in them, the supply will not be for eating from on a daily basis but will be there when truly needed.
Fish are cheap to feed, easy to care for and have quite a few offspring when the time comes due and, with proper quarantine, I should be able to keep many of the babies from being eaten by their grandparents and thus a food supply going and ready for another day.
When Winter comes along, an unprotected tank will freeze over pretty good and I was taught by my mother, which also has an outdoor tank, to set a pan of hot water on the hard ice at one of the corners to help melt, or soften, the surface so that a hole can be cleared to let out any built up gases. If at first she does not succeed she will refill the pan and continue the process until she does.
I do not want to have a supply of fish that I cannot get to in the Winter so I will park each tank against or very near to the walls of my house, on the shady side for the purpose of keeping it cooler in Summer, and place a tarp over the wire-covered frame with six to eight inches of materials over it to help insulate the water from the cold. I know of several ways to protect the water from freezing and one that I have chosen, secondarily, is to lean a sheet of plywood from the outer edge of the tanks to against the wall, to sit at an angle, and protect the open ends with several layers of tarp which should insulate them enough and allow me easy access.
Even a space-limited prepper, if they have a few extra feet of space and something that will support the weight of a tank’s water, can have Gold Fish for the future. For the land and indoor limited preppers, they might do better to use a glass tank because when a wooden one leaks the locations can be difficult or impossible to detect . I would like to note that with a glass version, the only areas that will spring forth are where the edges are glued or cracks have been made. Relining a wooden type is generally the only option and will therefore require that the occupants are relocated to holding tanks with a proper saltwater solution to help with the stress of the moves from and to their home, the interior fully emptied of the few hundred gallons that it holds, completely relined, filled with cold water and left devoid of life until the correct temperature has been reached which is entirely dependant upon when the process is undertaken.
Some people raise fish as pets and their minds and hearts form attachments to them. Anyone that intends to kill and eat what they obtain for future meals, especially if they have a soft spot in their heart, should avoid talking to or interacting with them too much because when the time comes to sever their heads and slit their bellies to open and clean them, they may not be able to do it. The truth is that fish were not meant to be kept as pets but they have been marketed, like all animals for sale are, for the financial rewards that they can bring.
To watch fish in their natural environments it would become evident that one fish will eat another and they are a nutrition supply for other animals as well. For the soft-hearted to survive, they are going to have to look at the facts pertaining to fish which may not be very easy to digest when what they have learned has been distorted mostly by money hungry or other soft hearted individuals.
This is not to say that having a heart is bad or wrong nor that to love another living creature is either but there may come a time when a choice has to be made and it will be to either eat the fish or go to bed with a painfully hungered stomach.
Every person’s survival will depend upon having as many resources available as they can possibly have and fish, that can be raised cheaply and easily at home, are no exception.
This is an entry in our non-fiction writing contest where you could win:
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I have seen “gold fish” in small fish bowls but never seen them tanked. I do know that fish can grow to fill their environment.
How big can they get (max, ave) and what have you been feeding them?
Take a look at Tilpia instead of gold fish.
http://ag.arizona.edu/azaqua/ata.html
Careful with Tilapia, I am currently growing them and they are very cold sensitive. Will not survive is the water temp drops much below 45 degrees or so. Also, if you choose to grow them, you can either go for fast commercial growth and use specialized feeds or slow natural growth. If you can keep the water over 50 degrees or so year around, Tilapia are an excellent alternative.
Catfish might be a better option. Although I have not yet tried to grow them, their tolerance to cold weather is much better than Tilapia’s.
Gold fish will disappoint you. I have couple of hundred in a very large (3000 gallon) pond and none have grown beyond 4 inches. You can not get a meal out of one. Hardy fish, not much meat.
I am so doomed if TEOTWAWKI happens in my life time. While I have no problem eating meat, I am not sure I can kill an animal for food, not even fish. I dont know, maybe if it came down to killing the animal or my kids going hungry, I would more than happily change my mind. I am just thankful I have people around me who can do the job, and that I have other abilities that (hopefully) will help me through.
When you get hungry enough, your body takes over and allows you to do things you’d not “normally” be able to do; fight or flight. Don’t cut yourself short!
Chris, that is what I am hoping for. But truthfully the one and only time my dad took me fishing with him I caught a baby bass. I flipped out. “Daddy daddy, get it off, get it off, throw it back, throw it back. Did it die?” Giving myself a little credit I was only 13, and such a girly girl. But I think that event traumatized me as I havent been fishing since.
Chris is right TG. When your kids (and you) get hungry enough you will take care of business. I have seen some animations on-line that teach you how to dress animals. Not gory. Check it out.
TG, as I understand it, that is the origin of the tradition of saying a blessing before eating. It was to thank God for providing the food for you and by extension an apology and plea for forgiveness for taking the life of an animal so that you and your family could live.
I think we would all eat meat more responsibly if we had to kill our own.
TG, I’m with you. I would rather live without meat than to kill a living being (of course, if I was REALLY starving, I’m not sure my principles would hold up). I have pet rabbits (my pets are not for eating but to make MORE rabbits), specifically purchased in case TSHTF, so my children and grandchildren can have good quality protein, and the pelts are nice for making warm clothing and slippers. I do not think my sons or the neighbors would have as much of an issue with killing the rabbits for food that I do.
A month or 2 ago I participated in the cleaning and dressing of a smallish raccoon, then I took it home, cleaned it up more, cooked and ate it. It started out looking cute but dead. So on one hand it looked like a poor dead cutie, and on the other hand it looked like icky roadkill. But it sure tasted good! Once you get the fur off it starts looking more like dinner. I guess you have to just steel yourself and get through the cute/icky part.
Beware, look up ‘rabbit starvation diet’
From Wiki -
Rabbit starvation, also referred to as protein poisoning or mal de caribou, is a form of acute malnutrition caused by excess consumption of any lean meat (e.g., rabbit) coupled with a lack of other sources of nutrients usually in combination with other stressors, such as severe cold or dry environment. Symptoms include diarrhea, headache, fatigue, low blood pressure and heart rate, and a vague discomfort and hunger that can only be satisfied by consumption of fat or carbohydrates.
Just make sure you have other forms of foods too :)
Michele, you should realize that meat animals in domestic production (everything from quail to Bison) exist solely to be slaughtered as some point. If they weren’t bred and kept for this purpose they would not exist. Livestock farmers and ranchers surely would not have hundreds or thousands of animals for pets even if they could afford them. If they were turned loose they would die. So there are two fundamental
facts.
1). If these animals have a good life for the time they are alive it is because they are going to be killed.
2) if you eat meat then you are part of the economic system that caused these animals to be born, raised and ultimately killed.
Conclusion, if you eat meat you kill animals even if you don’t do it with your own hands.
Personally I love meat but I too am a big soft hearted. I’m sure I’d eat less meat if I had to do the killing but I’d still eat it.
Hehe, I’ve been dreaming for years about keeping a claw-foot tub or a normal functional bathtub full of goldfish or decorative carp, but that was more for the surreal factor. Maybe I’ll weigh aesthetics against edibility if I can ever pull it off.
I’m thinking that since my water storage might be a bit lax, I can take about 20 gallons from the fishtank without immediately killing my fish. The cats drink out of it all the time, so there shouldn’t be anything in there that will kill me if I boil the water. The fish aren’t good eating, and the only emotional thing that a single one has done to me was when the plecostomus jumped into the filter.
This one guy on Doomsday Preppers converted his pool into a sunken greenhouse and put tilapia and duckweed in the deepest part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUM0TOkNALg
Probably the folks in AJ Arizona. Neat set-p.
Of course everyone knows where they live and what they have. They let strangers volunteer to help install their new rain catchment system. They won’t survive a total Collapse ‘cuz their own neighbors will want what they have stored there. And the greenhouse/chickenccop/fishpond.
Survivor Dan….
I’m in AJ…don’t recognize these folks or their property. Looks like they are maybe on the CAP canal; Mesa/Gilbert area. Neat set-up though. They are serious! Good for them.
Plenty to think about there – thank you. Goldfish get quite sizable round here so that’s an idea worth considering. You describe covering to prevent freezing – but don’t they need day/ night light rhythm? Would you remove the tarps during the day? And what do you feed when the fish food shop is closed?
I’ve been wanting to try this for some time, except putting a vegetable garden on top to filter the water for the fish. From what I have read, Talapia (sp?) is a good fish for this.
Check out this aquaponics website. (Hope the link works)
http://americanpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=126&t=8232
Goldfish are just pretty colored carp & can get quite big, racoons find the belly a delicacy as we discovered one year when we found dozens of my mothers fish scattered throughout the backyard. I was also going to suggest Talapia as an alternative. I like the hot pan idea for winter “harvesting” but suggest during the first year just putting a split firewood log or two in to displace the gas build up. Never hard break ice that is more than 2 inches thick as the sudden pressure change & the pounding it takes to break the ice can kill the fish (also learned the hard way). Your pond can freeze solid & the fish will be fine if left alone, they sort of hybernate.
oops, see my editing deleted the part about goldfish/carp being boney & not so tasty. We plan on catfish in the duck pond with a central water spray for aeration and “dredging” when necessary for fertilized garden water.
I put in a pond with Koi and racoons came in the night and ate them.
if you put chicken wire over the top of the pond, it helps to keep the critters out, not to mention leaves and large twigs/branches.
Gold fish are just carp with colorful scales. Carp are bony and don’t taste particularly good. Please consider other species, rather than gold fish. As others have suggested, tilapia might be good to try. You could also research the native species in your area and try growing some of them. Perhaps blue gill, largemouth bass, or catfish would be better to raise.
Whatever fish species you grow, I’m sure you’ll be happy to have fresh fish available. If I had a mini-farm, I would be raising my own fish, too. Good idea!
Mr. Lint, you nailed the combo most folks here try for in farm ponds. They work to keep “trash” fish out, don’t like fish that are too bony. The only bony fish we eat are herring and they cook them hard and eat most of the bones. Too many turtles will eat the young fish, but in a bad situation the turtles will get eat just as fast as the fish. I had hoped my neighbor would buy the land next to the place I live now, it has a decent size pond that used to produce bunches of bass and blue gill/bream. He still may get it and we’ve already made a deal if he does, I help clean up around the pond and I get to fish.
Man I agree LP. Carp are not tasty as I have tried to eat them prepared in various ways. The canals and golf course ponds here are loaded with carp so I have at least a limited fresh fish supply. The Vietnamese fishermen I know take any carp I can catch. Apparently they like them. Will have to ask them for a recipe. Trick is probably to make a very spicy sauce.
My Japanese mother favors pan fried bluegills above trout or bass. Go figure…..
Bluegills are MUCH tastier than carp. Given the choice I’d eat the bluegill and feed the carp to my cat, or use it as raccoon bait and then eat the raccoon!
You can raise tilapia in a 55 gallon drum. They tolerate a lot of muck. You can just take out like 1/4 of the water and replace it with fresh from time to time, rather than having a bubbler. You can also grow plants in the water and have a mini ecosystem.
http://pennypincherpersonalfinance.blogspot.com/2010/06/extra-protein.html here is my old article on raising tilapia in a barrel!
I believe some people put small fish in to their rain barrels, maybe goldfish, maybe aquarium cat fish. The fish eat any algae that grows in the barrel and you just have to strain the water to get rid of the fish poop but it should be nice and clean. Just drop them in, hope it rains enough to keep them covered in water and let nature take its course.
Today my husband and I dropped off some 250 gallon water tanks to a man and he showed us what he was using them for. He breeds Coy fish and pond plants. He had several tanks with fish in them at different growth stages and a pond for the much larger ones. I asked him if he had ever eaten one and he said no, but original they were used as a food source .He then mentioned Tilapia. I have heard of Tilapia being used in green houses to feed the plants. I have some in the freezer that I got at Aldi’s and it is very good with a little olive oil and Cajun seasoning on it.
Tilapia is a white fish that is pretty bland by itself, but when cooked with you’re favorite seasoning can be quite good. We eat it perhaps 2-3 times per month.
Yeah, I keep my Tilapia in 270 gallon IBC tanks. You cna get food safe ones for 50-100 notes depending of how far you are from a food manufacturer. I have held 300 fingerlings and grew out 100 tilapia in such a tank without a problem. My tank is currently overwintering about 50 tilapia (they where too small for harvesting) for nest year with no issues. The tanks are ideal for fish crops. Small foot print, large capacity and easy to keep critters out. Feel free to email me with any questions.
Goldsaver,
How about an article on raising Tilapia . Some general information on your location/weather, some photos, some instructions, and perhaps sources for the fingerlings would make a great how to for the pack.
You might want to check this guy out. I watched a few of his shorter vids that he had for free online last year. He’s really inspiring, shows you cheap ways of going about it and talks about Tilapia too
http://www.aquaponics.net.au/
You might need to do a seperate search for his videos, I’m not sure if they’re linked through this page but it’s worth the search!
Very interesting Kim. If I move up to a more temperate climate I may try it. No room to try a tank in the house. Here in the Sonoran desert an outdoor tank will cook the fish in the summer. I had a friend with a 3 ft deep x 4 ft wide and 15 ft long concrete pond with a shady area. His catfish and carp did not survive the blistering sumer. I have seen Koi kept in such an outdoor pond at a carwash. But it had depths up to 5 feet and may have had a cooling system.
Still, if I do move up into the White mountains, your article inspires me to give the tanks and a fish pond a try. Thank you.
I suppose that when you change the water the nutrient ladden waste water might be good for watering some vegetables. Is that what you do with the waste water?
“laden” sp lol
Thanks you for putting your ideas on paper and sharing them. I have though of something similar, i.e. having a pond that I can grow fish in. Montana has some funny ideas on lakes and ponds so I have to finish my research with that before I do anything. We are looking at a 20+ acre plot some 20+ miles of back roads from a town of 34,000. I am hoping I can have a spring fed pond, but that remains to be seen.
We are planning on making a catfish pond out here. They are great for catch and release fun and if need be we can have another protein source
like the idea the main thing on fish types is the amount of o2 they require i know gold fish, carp can get air from the surface but bass and such cant so they need an airator of some type.
back when the parents owned the cabin my step father would put the guts and scales after cleaning fish on a raised platform (chicken wire attached to branches) to allow the flys access, they would of course lay eggs the maggots would fall off into the water and the fish would congragate in the area because of these falling into the water so he always was able to catch fish their. something to think about for help feeding your pond and it works in the wild if you want a high probability of catching fish. not sure its legal however before you do check the law
Great tip. You could also do that over your tank instead of fish food pellets.
I know folks who over the years have raised fish in standard farm stock tanks. Tractor Supply Company (TSC) has 300 gallon in either plastic or galvanized steel for $230, 100 gallon steel for $85, and 110 gallon plastic for $65, all new products, plus a host of others. These things are built to be outside and hold water in all temperatures. You might also find deals on used ones from farm auctions or your local farm outlet.
Another interesting trick I saw in a Mother Earth News article many years ago was a guy who raised fish in a pond, and had built catwalks over the pond where he raised honeybees. As the bees died off and were discarded from the hive, they fell into the water and became fish food. I’ve always thought that this was an interesting idea.
Have had fancy goldfish in my stock tank for 3 years. In the winter when there is ice in the stock tank we bust it open with a maul. When the ice gets to thick we shovel it out. Have never fed my school of goldfish 1 drop of food and some are pan size now (about 7 or 8 inches). They keep the gunk at bay in the summer. It’s to big to empty and scrub that’s the fish job here on the ranch. In the summer the horses stand/paw in the tank and the fish are fine.
I have a goldfish pond in my backyard. I am looking at getting rid of the goldfish and filling it with blue gill/bream or some of the good eating fish. Goldfish are poor eating. There are many hybrids now and I plan on researching which ones grow the fastest on the least food. Yummmm, fish dinner.
Gold fish and carp are not the same fish. You can get carp that are gold ad some pet stores will even sell them as goldfish but they are mis naming them. And I PROMISE you you will die of drinking water from the tank LONG before the fish will. and last to answer someone else’s question above no the they don’t need light to form a rythem but they will likely go in to a sort of hibernation mode if you do this and its cold out like they would if there was ice at the top of the pond. If you pond is appropriately deep for your area ice will form on the top and the fish will simply rest near the bottom in warmer waters. They do not need additional food during this time. If you really want to now more about your safety and the safety of the fish go to a certified koi club meeting in your area, just for petes sake don’t tell them your going to eat the fish.
Check this site out for aquaponics
http://www.fastonline.org/content/category/4/15/29/
I would set one of these up now if I knew I could handle killing the fish. I may not be hungry enough for that yet. It would have to be tilapia or catfish for me to want to eat it. I’ve read of raising catfish in a 55 gallon barrel somewhere.
Aquaponics is the better method of raising fish for food….feed the fish and harvest 2 x crops (fish and veggies). Aquaponics is the marriage of Aquaculture + Hydroponics – can be done outside or indoors.
There are several very active forums on how to set up Aquaponics in a very cost effective manner. For example check out the forum at http://www.aquaponics.net.au for an excellent knowledge base some friendly advice. The motivation for getting into AP is mostly not financially related – many people are prepping without realising the steps they’ve taken.
I’ve just embarked on an Aquaponics setup in our backyard – using IBCs….dirt cheap! Just make sure they have only held food type materials and not chemicals/solvents etc that easily taint the plastic.
Also, fish tend to mature at different growth rates – so kicking off a batch of fingerlings will result the fish being ready to eat at different times in the future.
Whilst AP systems need a water pump (and perhaps an aerator depending on fish density) a correctly designed system could run on minimal power – 12V + solar.
For those of you who have ponds and are interested in bream see:http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=ga%20giant%20hybrid%20bream&source=web&cd=9&ved=0CHsQFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kens-fishfarm.com%2F&ei=FqUQT7n2Iojh0QG97bTEDA&usg=AFQjCNF_2Swliz9o2185SzWESzgE11cSLw
They are the best tasting along with catfish.
I put in a 5000 gallon pond with a waterfall setup in my backyard at one point when I used to live in Indiana. While it was for decorative purposes at the time, most of what I learned would transfer over to survival skills if needed. I did most of the work by hand, although the neighbor did come and dig out the main portion of the hole with his backhoe for me. We spent the money to buy the heavy duty pond liner because it came with a 20 year warranty. The main thing you want to be sure of to keep your fish alive is to dig down below the frost line so if it does freeze, you still have water below where the fish can hibernate and survive. Also, to keep from having to feed the fish, put in dirt shelves around the edges of the pond and put in water plants on the shelves that the fish can eat. If you do have ice form over the top of the pond that is a couple inches thick, never break it by hitting it because the sonic waves can kill the fish as well. The best way to get oxygen back in is to use a hand drill and drill holes into the ice. As someone else mentioned above, to keep the ice from freezing solid you can float a log or two on top or even some styrofoam blocks. I had several varieties of gold fish and koi in the pond that lived for years that were well over a foot in length by the time I moved away.
I have a pond 8.5 feet by 21 feet that I have both goldfish and Koi. It has a biological filter and pump system. The Koi are right at 3 feet long and about 6 years old. The Goldfish have reached a foot long or a little better in the same time frame and are at various ages since they do breed each year. The Koi eat their eggs as soon as they lay them. They are my pets and beautiful. BUT-
You need to know koi that both Goldfish and Koi are Carp and full of bones. They are OK to eat but you would need to know how to prepare with all the bones. I would think Catfish with their better food conversion and growth rates would be a better fish to raise. I also had 2 white catfish that reached huge sizes and died. They died because of PH problems in pond that could have been avoided if I had know more about ponds at the time. When you raise fish you must test PH, ammonia and filter the water or you will not have the fish very long. You can get solar pumps and build your own filters.
Check your areas for the fish that are easy to raise there-all areas different.
Ann
Goldfish are carp, which are a notoriously difficult to eat fish. Catfish or tilapia are also easy to raise and would make better choices. There are many clever Permaculture designs for small fish ponds that are incorporated into other aspects of food production to save space. Do a search to find several choices.
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