Rifles for Home Defense

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  1. 19Pinky67 says:

    Very good presentation. Thank you, Mr. Yeager. Some good food for thought here.

  2. Chuck Findlay says:

    I think the video is for the most part on track. The 2 things I think about that he didn’t address is that a rifle round can easily over penetrate right through a wall and keep going into who knows what.

    And the second one is that a rifle is hard to swing around in a tight space without hitting things that could stop you from getting it pointed at the bad guy fast.

    I have a rifle in the bedroom (a 357-Mag lever-action Marlin loaded with 125 gr. silver tips HP ammo.) but it’s there to take with me when I want to go investigate noises outside at night. For inside I use handguns as they point quick.

    • JP in MT says:

      Chuck:

      My 357 Carbine is my “most traveled” gun. Mine currently carries 180 gr Hardcast RNFP GC. They work good outside. Put most things you will come across down, including Level 3A vests (not through, but down). It don’t kill them vests, but it does change their focus to “breathe”.

      • axelsteve says:

        you can always drill them a couple of more times with the 357, Just to keep them preoccupied.

        • axelsteve says:

          I think that mr Yeager is pretty good.Although at times he is kinda a blowhard and he tends to think that he knows more then other people. I am not sure of his background Being a career civilian he knows more then me but, I wonder how he would stack up to some ww2 vets.

      • Chuck Findlay says:

        JP I went with the 125 gr. Silver Tips because of the higher velocity for more hydro static shock. I have hunted with them and the 357 Mag rifle and they are very destructive to woodchucks compared to 158 gr hollow points. I know a woodchuck is nothing like a person, but it does show how the bullet works.

        I’ve always liked faster moving bullets over slower heaver ones because of the shock they have. I have a 17 Remington handgun and it fires a 25 gr bullet at 3,500 feet-per-second and it is very destructive despite only being a 25 gr bullet.

        For animals like black bears I would want a 180 gr hard-cast lead as it’s harder hitting then a jacketed bullet of the same weight and penetration is what is needed to get to critical origins on a bear. But for home defense I think the 125 gr. is best.

        I read someplace that the FBI case study of shootings had the 125 gr HP bullet fired from a 357 Mag handgun as the highest ratings as a one-shot stop. Meaning it takes people out better then any other handgun bullet.

        Add to this the 600 feet-per-second speed increase of a 357 rifle over a 6-inch handgun and it’s even more deadly.

    • I have 357 marlin lever action rifle. My son uses it deer hunting. I really love this rifle, kind of an all around rifle.

  3. Chuck, here are the results of the FBI Firearms Training Unit study on the .223 for indoors. It dispels the urban myth that the .223 over penetrates.

    https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1537272

    Try these tests yourself as I have. You will be surprised. I have seen photos of what happens when humans are hit with a .223 at close range. They are hard to look at. It is that devastating. No pistol round can compare.

    • JP in MT says:

      EmComm:

      My comments on the summation of the FBI report revolve arount the descriptions of using a 55 gr FMJ. The 62 gr M885 has a steel core, designed to penetrate!

      If you are going to use a 5.56/223 indoors, Federal makes a frangible round just for this purpose. I have not seen any lately, but I’m sure they are still out there.

  4. JP in MT says:

    I will comment further after I review the vidoe (I find this subject very interesting).

    Of course, if you don’t care about the neighbors, there are lots of type of ammo that will go clean through walls…..

  5. Chuck Findlay says:

    The best bullets to use on people in the 223 is varmint rounds. A soft spitzer style bullet with a soft lead point and a thin serrated jacket expands quicker and dumps it’s energy faster then a hollow point bullet. Hollow points need to fill with tissue before they fragment, a spitzer soft lead bullet doesn’t need to do this. The only concern is to make sure the soft lead bullets feed well from your gun. I had an HK-93 and it fed every bullet made. I think an AR would also feed spitzer bullets, but you need to run a few mags of them through your rifle to be sure before you bet your life on them.

    I’ve done a fair bit of woodchuck hunting and 50 gr. bullets seem to do the best. They don’t make them any more, but Nosler 50 gr expander bullets are explosive. I stocked up on them years ago and still have a few thousand of them, they are a great bullet. They give me a 1/2-inch group out to 125-yards. A great bullet, I can’t understand why they quit making them?

  6. I really like the attention he gave, short as it was, to considerations for if the home invader gets in close to you, past the point of bringing the long gun to bear. My honest feeling is that a long gun with as short a profile as you dare is ideal for in-home defense. There’s no way of telling how a home invader might get the drop on you until it happens and a short profile long gun I think would really help your odds if that does happen.

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