Questions and Answers with The Wolf Pack : Should I serve in the military?

Hello,

My name is MK and I’m living in Pacific Northwest. As a healthcare professional and a naturalized US citizen I have always had a desire to serve in the military and provide the best possible care for the troops.

However, as a prepper I don’t know if joining the military would be a prudent decision given the turmoil surrounding our country. Therefore, I was hoping to get more opinions from the prepper community regarding my situation as I’m sure I’m not the only one with a similar question and question.

Thank you for your blog and God bless, MK

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Comments

  1. If I were you I would join, no question, the training and skills that you get and the development of character that you can achieve is reason enough.

    • The PTSD will also stick with you for life . just sayin

    • re: filming encounters with police

      Automatically uploaded video is best. Keep it out of their reach. Just ask yourself why the pigs keep screaming for a “kill” switch for phones. In case of theft, don’t ya know.

  2. Rider of Rohan says:

    Though my dad retired from the US Army, and my son just finished a 5 yr. contract, my advice is to hold off right now. Even though I realize service in the military is the highest of honors one can achieve, right now is not the time. The military is in crisis, as is the country.

  3. Are you serious? A “healthcare professional” cannot answer this question for himself? And must turn to complete strangers?

    I smell “fake” in everything here.

    Sounds like a phony question, or a phony article, or a phony “professional”.

  4. As a 20 year Army veteran married to a 22 year Army veteran I would say that there are many positive things about being a military member.

    That being said, being a prepper, depending upon YOUR how and why, I would consider the Reserve or National Guard. You get your training, you get to serve, yet you spend most of your time near your home base. I think it would give you other skills that you would find useful for prepping, and possibly a group of LMI’s

    • riverrider says:

      all true but the ng deploys nearly as often as the regulars these days. i would hold off for now. who want to trapped across the water when tshtf?

  5. Donna in MN says:

    I would hold off until you have a different president and pentagon leaders. Those in office now has already put our military in danger, and you may be used to fight your own people soon.
    If you want to help our veterans, you don’t have to join the military to do that.

  6. axelsteve says:

    I am with Donna on this one. The service used to be an honorable thing to do. That being said it is a new ballgame under TDL. Being excempt from serving myself,cause of age and pre exhisting condition.I would think long and hard first. For example training. You can get training manuals online now.What branch and why? You may want to be a pilot but good luck joining the air force.You may be too old . You may be too old to fly a helicopter for that matter.Being a medical pro(that being a very vauge term) have you ever treated a tranny? Transexual not a transmison.Jocelyn Elders sees no reason why they should not serve and this adminstration is loony tunes enough to probably agree with that.

    • Babycatcher says:

      I also second Donna. Our son just finished out 6 yrs with a branch I won’t name, but has all kinds of problems now because of what he’s seen and had to do. No 24 year old should have to live with those memories! He’s considered disabled now, because of injuries received in battle. He’s literally been on 6 of the seven continents and at least 20 countries. Wherever Uncle Sam said go, he went, did his duty, and came home. But he’s scarred, inside and out. I’m not a pacifist by any means( come from a loooong line of military officers) but we should have been allowed to go in there and clean house, instead of pussyfooting around with people who want to destroy us. Our country is going to pay for our military being hog tied, big time. You watch…

      • mom of three says:

        I’m sorry to hear about your son, anytime my husband, and I see anyone that is active, or retired we always shake hands, and thank them for their service.

        • Babycatcher says:

          There were many prayers sent up for his safety and those he was working with. He knows that’s the only reason he’s alive today.

      • Donna in MN says:

        Thank your son for me for his military service. I am concerned for those returning home after war, as the casualties keep coming when it ends. Since 22 veterans commit suicide every day, it’s difficult to predict what the toll of America’s newest wars will be.The number of male veterans under the age of 30 who commit suicide jumped by 44 percent between 2009 and 2011.
        I question why, when the greatest generation of WW2 never saw such a rate. Is it because the military hiearchy follow political correctness and shush Christian beliefs? Is it the way we are not allowed to fight our enemies and protect the troops? Is it a lack of veteran services ? With the announcement of cuts to military servicemen, it was told by a pentagon reporter that it cuts $5,000 per year per military person. This is our future, and one would have to be gaud awful tough to make it through the hurdles and traps and come out okay.

        • Could be because they practically force feed SSRIs to people in the military now. I have no respect for the US military as it is presently ran. If you join, you are volunteering to help commit the atrocities perpetrated by the US military.

  7. I would hold off until the turmoil of the downsizing is over. I am retired military, and about half dozen of us mil retirees were discussing this last week. None of us would recommend any of our kids or grandkids to join, unless they go a service Academy, and that is not a sure thing anymore.

    Within 50 miles of where we live are six military installations.. There are not too many troops optimistic about the future with the upcoming cuts.

    I would be leery about the Reserves or Guard. When I was in the Reserves and Guard would be called up last to help the active duty force. That was the Cold War and the military was more of a garrison force. It is now an expeditionary force, and there is not enough active duty, so the Reserves and Guard is called up much more frequently.

    Wait a year to determine what is what after the cut backs.

  8. OwlCreekObserver says:

    I retired from the Air Force many years ago after 23 years service. If you’re a medical professional (e.g. doctor or RN) your military training would be minimal. Basically, they teach you about regulations and how to properly wear your uniform. Beyond that, you would be mostly doing the work that you’re probably doing now.

    However, I agree with many of the negative comments here. Today’s military bears little resemblance to what I knew during my career. It has been forced by the current administration to accept lowered standards and alternative lifestyles that, in my opinion, are leaving us weaker and less prepared for the challenges ahead. I could not, in good conscience, recommend a military career to any of my grandkids at this time.

  9. Tactical G-Ma says:

    MK,
    Your desire to serve your nation is admirable. I would say it all depends on age, gender, and specific skills. If you are a 22yo EMT, I say join the Navy as a corpsman and train to go with the Marines. You then are in effect a field physician. You can continue your education and eventually become an ER nurse or doctor.

    If you are an MD or RN I would definitely talk to the recruiters about the benefits and compensation. You are an Officer and don’t have to pay malpractice insurance.
    While you are in the military, you civilian counterparts will be moving up the ladder. But you will learn many different skills you wouldn’t learn anywhere except innercity Memphis, Chicago, or the like.
    If you are female and under 25 yo and do not have a superstrong sense of self, I recommend you stay civilian.

    If you really feel you want to serve, check into the reserves or the National Guard.

    There is likely to be a huge drawdown recommended in the near future, but rarely do the Medical groups get rifted. And if you do get cut, there is always a need in civilian life.

    Good luck.

  10. farmergranny says:

    I guess my opinion is running counter to most of those posted. Having dedicated patriots and believers in the military would be wonderful! When the shtf, we need to know that our military will defend the Constitution and the American people. Having talked with military and other of those who are supposed to protect us, I’ve very bluntly asked, “if Obama ordered you to fire on American citizens, would you do so” and the majority replied in the negative. Just mho

    • SOME of our military will defend the constitution , the others will sell out and do what they are told . Just Sayin

    • the fact that ANY said that they would ,should tell you a lot …….1 is too many .

    • You can rest assured, the service personnel unwilling to fire on Americans will be deployed outside the US, and will probably never hear anything about what’s happening stateside on any “news” program…

  11. I would not join the military, but not for the bigoted and ‘current administration’ reasons given so far. Since the end of WWII our military has been used not to defend our nation but to impose an American global empire that does not promote liberty and democracy, but serves only capitalist interests. As a medical professional you would willingly uphold your oath and provide care to a ‘tranny.’ There is no conspiracy, our armed forces will not turn on the citizens and the President is not trying to destroy our way of life.

    • Rider of Rohan says:

      Hmmmm….”and the President is not trying to destroy our way of life.”

      If you really believe this, what are you doing on a prepper site? You must be one of the paid OFA people who troll the internet and dish out misinformation.

      • Since when are political beliefs of a certain type a requirement to be a prepper? If that works for you – fine. There are far more scenarios to prep for other than a preceived political agenda.

        • Rider of Rohan says:

          Didn’t say there weren’t, it’s that the political agenda of the ones running the country right now are the single most likely thing to cause one to need to prep long term, which is what most do here. You might want to follow the news a little closer. How’s that sand taste by the way?

    • OwlCreekObserver says:

      Justin, this is a friendly neighborhood, so I will just say that your suggestion that comments from myself and others are somehow bigoted and politically motivated are way out of line. Beyond that, your understanding of America’s military and its role in the world is misguided and erroneous. Thank you for not serving.

      • OwlCreek, you took the words right out of my mouth. +100

      • How is it not bigoted and hateful to suggest that a wounded transgender soldier is any less worthy of medical care than any other soldier, or human, for that matter? And the preoccupation with the President using our armed forces against the American population is a morbid, paranoid fantasy perpetuated in this friendly neighborhood. Tell me what objectives were truly accomplished in any act of American military aggression from Vietnam to Iraq?

        • No one suggested that a wounded transsexual would not be worthy of medical care. They suggested that they are not likely to be good candidates for service in a fighting army. Please don’t attack what you think people think.

          • axelsteve says:

            That is just the old lefty lib tact. Call someone hateful and etc if you do not agree.

        • Babycatcher says:

          Please go back and read world history that you were not taught in school. Then come back and speak your peace. Until you have a better grasp of world and US history, it would be wise of you to just read, not comment.

        • Screw the “transgender” freaks. They want the rest of the world to love them for their perversion. Sorry, cutting off or sewing on a tallywackle doesn’t change your status as a man or a woman.

    • I wouldn’t advise it yet. I don’t think you will learn what you seek. Assuming you already have a skill set above that of a medic, your skills will be valuable enough that you will spend your time in hospitals, clinics and caring for Soldiers, not learning fighting or surviving skills.

      I also agree with Justin. Both political parties are addicted to the money supplied by Corporate America & the 1%. The Military has been misused, defending corporate interests instead of our nation. Greed drives the 1% and they are leading us toward economic and potentially planetary collapse similar to that experienced by the Romans or Mayans among others. The need to prep for the future has never been higher. See the following link: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/14/nasa-civilisation-irreversible-collapse-study-scientists.

      If your goal is to serve our nation those Soldiers, though unknowing puppets of the 1%, did enlist to serve our nation and deserve the best support, weapons, healthcare, and tools to defend our nation. Your enlistment and service to them is service to our nation. Denying the Soldiers healthcare or weapons doesn’t punish the 1%, only the Soldiers.

  12. Tomthetinker says:

    MK: In my youth I got the itch to ‘do’ something heroic. In my opinion and that of smarter folks than me, every one with hormones will have that urge… itch… I joined the Navy Reserve at 17 while still in high school. (I .. was a horrible student .. a bored student.) I’ll skip the stories and get to the point that I will never regret what I did. I could never in my wildest beer induced coma .. dream the things that I learned, saw, felt, performed.

    Two days before I was to report for my 2 years of active duty I joined the regular Marine Corps. I’ll skip the stories there as well. I learned facts of life, human nature, politics, faith, goodness and a lot of Evil. These two ‘events’ in my life gave me skill sets and perspectives one can .. not .. acquire in any ‘civilian’ endeavor.

    Today .. single .. at whatever level of education. I would follow your itch and learn what life could be and so many many truths about it. I would not care to live with any regrets about what I could have been or done with my time .. life.

    Let us all know what you decide …………………………

  13. Tomthetinker says:

    forgot to sign that…..

    With all respect MK

    Tinker Thomas T. Torpedoman 1st Class, USNR / Rifleman H Co. 2nd of the 9th Marines, Fleet Marine Force, 3rd. Mar. Div. USMC

    TOOT TOOT

    • Tactical G-Ma says:

      TTT,
      Don’t you think those Navy Corpsmen who serve with the Marines are awesome? There are also SEALS who are corpsmen (at least there used to be).

      • Tomthetinker says:

        My Cousin is a ‘former’ Navy Corpsmen and is now a Surgical Nurse in Honolulu… all the others, I got acquainted with the hard way.

    • JP in MT says:

      TTT:

      Thanks for the smile. You would not believe the mental picture I got with your job description. And I thought being a radioman was tough work!

  14. KR Prepper says:

    I also come from a Military Family. At the end of the day. You have to know how you’re wired. Person. I love the possibility of training. However I only fight battles within the scope of my family, church, and local commuinity. Those have the greater influence on my survivability right now. Not going to somewhere distant

  15. Msgtretired says:

    Always serve your country I did my 23 years. Remember you don’t have to follow unlawful orders. I know our current boys will not participate in gun confiscation. This country IS defended by every blade of grass thanks the the greatest gun salesman of all time BARAK HUSSIEN OBAMA.

  16. MK,

    How old are you? What do you do as a health care professional? If you are a CNA or MA, joining the military could give you the opportunity to up your education. My suggestion is to wait for midterm elections. I hate to suggest that the decision whether to join is a political one but if the Republicans gain control of the Senate, we might have some real balance of power and neutralize Obama’s rule by executive order.

    I finished high school two years early. I wasn’t of age and my parents wouldn’t sign of on me to join the Marine Corps. By the time I was 18, I was already on the college route. The decision not to join the military is the only decision in my life that I regret.

  17. Here is the rub. They will have you swear an oath to support and defend the Constitution for the United States of America. Then you will likely be placed in harm’s way, in a foreign land, and expected to fight in an undeclared war.

    If your conscience is mushy enough to do that, then may God have mercy on you.

    Before signing any papers with a recruiter, I would recommend that you research the concept of “just war”.

    Sincerely

    • Hey! I served during Desert Shield/Storm, saving Kuwaiti babies from being killed by Iraqis while still in their incubators. I didn’t need no stinking declaration to do what I knew was right!

      Ohhh, wait. Nevermind.

  18. MK
    I have a coworker who came to the US as a college student after graduation she got permanent worker status. She is now a registered P.E. Along the way she joined a Naval Sea Bee Reserve Unit. She got married and had two sons. While called on to serve in Afghanistan she met all the requirements for citizenship. She waited till she got home so her sons could be there. Just before returning she broke both legs and spent a few months in a Navy Hospital in California. As soon as she could she came home and was sworn in as a US Citizen.
    Did I mention, she is my hero.

    To some of you others… Right now we need right thinking men and women of good character and with a strong sense of service to join our military. People who will say no to illegal orders.

  19. Son of Liberty says:

    As a health care professional, you HAVE sufficient skills for a SHTF situation. Secondly, learn other skills and branch out from the medical end of things. Learn woodcraft, etc. Third, I would NOT go into the military now. Things are going to happen, and soon! You don’t need to be tied up serving the countries ‘needs,’ you need to be serving your families ‘needs,’ where ever they might be.

    Blessings

  20. Chuck Findlay says:

    I have not served, but I have close family members and friends that did join. Over the last 3-years or do we have talked about this very subject and all of them think it’s a bad idea to join right now. These are all pro-USA, pro-Military people. But with the present and very likely coming future they think it’s a bad idea for new people to join. It really pains them to say or think this, but when they look at our country and the direction it is going they can come to no other decision.

    .
    The political left that has infected our government is destroying it from within.

    .

  21. NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dont be an enabler , allowing the government to have manpower to continue to interfere world wide . You may also get maimed , disfigured , or killed for some horse shit political cause …….Then get a kick in the ass when you get out ……..ever been to the VA ? its as bad as county indigent care . Just sayin , its not the same , we dont go to places for honorable reasons , and guess what …..you get to do the dirty work , and see things that you should not have to see , then get labeled mental when it comes to your 2nd amendment rights , if you get psychiatric treatment for any of it . Join a militia instead and actually train to protect American soil .

  22. Dave Meyer says:

    I’m a retired Marine. I would say that serving your country is not only a admirable and honorable thing, but also a excellent way to learn some valuable skills towards survival and prepping. Not only physical skills but the mindset that will allow you to carry on regardless of what you face. I have trained in almost every single climate and type of terrain on earth and feel I can survive anywhere if need be.

    • Retired Marine here, also & just finished working with the present day USMC as a civilian. IMHO, everyone in the USA should serve their country, either active duty, Reserves or NG at some time in their lives…Stop taking your freedom for granted! Less than 1/2 of 1% of Americans actually serve in the military…Shame on you…You want to talk street creds in this business, then get some real training before it is too late. Reading about it just doesn’t cut it when rounds start flying down range.

      • Shame on us ? NO , When there is a need , then there will be no shortage , good example is after Pearl Harbor was attacked , people lined up . Other than that …..why ? When 9/11 happened , I wanted to join up ….what stopped me ? the way we fight ! I knew we would piddle dick around and not do a damn thing constructive …….I was right , the government used it as an excuse to turn on iits own people . Just sayin . What should have happened from the start is continue the state run militias , you get your training and know you wont get sent to some shithole country , see a lot of your friends get killed , just to end up bugging out with nothing to show for it . You would only get called up when there is a real need . The only reason that stopped , was because the state militias were called up and formed one of the most bad ass forces in our history …the Confederate Army .

    • I think you can be pulled back in against your will for ten years after your discharge.

  23. I believe strongly that public service is the obligation of every citizen. Mine was in a career in the Army. However, with the national leadership engaged in policies and actions that I consider to be of questionable/doubtful legal and moral status, and military operations abroad that no longer are to support the existential needs of our country, I recommend you look for an alternative to military service.

  24. Someone said, earlier, “…you don’t have to follow illegal orders.” Which begs the question: WHO determines if the orders are illegal? The person tasked with following them? Hardly. That decision will be made by the person(s) giving the orders and his superiors, and, who’d have though it, the orders will be declared legal by the higher-ups. Off to Leavenworth with you or, in extreme cases, the firing squad.

    The way to avoid that problem is, simply, not to enlist. Until the draft returns (and it might), you have that option.

    • OR , it could be like 1917 in Russia , where the officers started to fear their own men in the trenches , because so many were starting to get shot by their own men . They stopped giving out orders that they knew would be unpopular , some even stopped wearing rank insignia , and adopted the regular soldiers uniform . It has to get real bad for that to happen ….but it can and has . There was even a period years in the Roman Empire , that the Praetorian guard ( emperors body guard ) were choosing the emperors , through assassination .

    • When a draft is reinstituted, get ready girls. You’ve gotten what your mothers demanded. Happy trails.

  25. Have you looked at the medical positions within the Veterans Administration? (I’m not military and know the system has it’s issues, but the VA certainly has a need for folks who actually care about patients from countless stories of bad experiences and lack of access stories as told by friends and family…).

    Also, despite the failures of our political and military leadership, military service remains a professional of honor and prestige.
    That said, IMO beginning a career in the military is a young person’s game and hard to do if you have responsibilities beyond just yourself. And depending on your whys of prepping may make it very difficult to accomplish what you want to do there as well. There are a lot of rules and regulations that you may find onerous, including how and where you can store private weapons if living on base…

    Like anything it’s a tradeoff.

  26. Also, as a medical professional, you might want to look into medical repercussions too.

    The vaccination schedule is pretty robust and there are large courses w/in a few days. Know a couple folks that were diagnosed with autoimmune diseases like lupus when in the service that they attribute to forced vaccinations…

  27. I spent 10 yrs in the Navy and made the mistake of leaving as MM1(SS) instead of staying another 10 for minimal retirement. That said, my shipmates are the ones I am closest too with the exception of family. 4 years of amphibious ships and 6 years on SSBNs left me with memories that far outshine anything I have done since. Does it sound as if I regret the service? Not at all. I think all should be required to serve the country in some manner but realize some are not suitable for a military life but I cant think of any place to get 3 hots and a cot while you finish growing up after high school. My 2 cents.