Cheap Bulk Pistols for Preppers the Kel tec PF9 and P11.

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Keltec PF9Some people choose a small number of very expensive, fine firearms for their protection planning. While I have my share of expensive firearms, I also prefer to have a significant number of “additional” firearms. There are many reasons, including the fact that if I’m ever involved in a self-defense issue, it is likely that whatever firearm was involved will be impounded; also there is a significant advantage in really scary times to be able to arm trainable friends/neighbors…

So I choose to purchase several lesser-expensive models, especially if crucial replaceable parts are available at low prices without hassle. Sometimes a bit of work is required to make these inexpensive firearms become thoroughly reliable. I happen to have developed some familiarity with the Keltec line (manufactured in America) and while there may be better options, here I present some helpful hints for these firearms.

Two firearms that meet that my criteria are the Keltec PF9 and P11. I have several, and I also have the .380 P3AT.

DISCLAIMER: I’m not an FFL, and I’m certainly not YOUR FFL. My opinions and modifications are presented here for you to review only – always seek the help and advice of a certified gunsmith before performing any firearm modifications. Presented here for informational purposes only.

First let’s investigate parts, because you want spares if you are a prepper. Parts for both these firearms are readily and cheaply available from their Cocoa, FL USA maker via their website ( For example, an “extractor kit” for the PF9 is only $6.00.

P11 extractor by itself with sharpie to show some of the areas for filing. (See Ref 2)

P11 extractor by itself with sharpie to show some of the areas for filing. (See Ref 2)

The extractor itself for that model is $4.00; the spring that holds the extractor is only $1.00; the ejector is $1.50. A P11 extractor is $4.50; firing pin $2.50, ejector $1.50. (I’ve even purchased the entire plastic lower (minus frame) and switched out colors on one firearm inexpensively.) Where some vendors will use handling charges to gouge the purchaser, Keltec charges only about $7 for fedex delivery (USA) for even a miniscule purchase, a huge help to the home buyer who wants to have a few key components on hand.

PF9 extractor springs & original screw

PF9 extractor springs & original screw

These are not fancy firearms. If you want fancy, buy the Ruger versions that look very similar! On Keltecs, you may find edges that need sanding/filing, little plastic sprues from the mold etc, easy stuff for you to smooth and make the gun nicer. So do it yourself.

Both of these firearms under discussion are 9mm, and capable of occasional usage of +P. With lightweight 9mm’s, I don’t like +P, so not an issue for me. Both are locked breech (like most 9mm’s) with a takedown pin securing the slide on the frame. Keltecs have a really nice touch that the takedown pin can be levered out easily with a 9mm case edge, rather than needing a pin tool.

PF9 with extractor (silver sharpie dot) in place. If you look very closely, you can see there are two of them sticked under the new bright screw.

PF9 with extractor (silver sharpie dot) in place. If you look very closely, you can see there are two of them sticked under the new bright screw.

Firearms manufacturers (especially the ones who build their products with CNC mills) are always improving their product. They may well have fixed the issues that I’m going to tell you how I fixed. At least some people who have current PF9’s and P11’s have problems with “failure to extract” – and also know how to voice their problems on forums, and as a result these guns can be bought secondhand VERY inexpensively. Both models can be fixed with a little effort. Let’s take the PF9 first, because it’s fix is SO easy, and it is a really nice-feeling pistol in my hands, also!

P11 with extractor in place, look very closely to see the slant on the previously vertical edge of extractor

P11 with extractor in place, look very closely to see the slant on the previously vertical edge of extractor

The PF9 is one of the extremely thin single-stack 9mm’s (0.88” ) that could easily be concealable by many people, even in a pocket holster. I usually see them in the mid to high $200’s. Even new, they are not much more. Like many other smaller pistols, this one is “semi-double-action” in the sense that the slide MUST have cycled in order for the trigger to fire the next shot. If a round doesn’t fire, you do the “tap, rack, bang” drill. No safety needed; the trigger pull is considerable and this is a safe gun to pocket carry (in a holster). (I don’t like safeties on my defensive weapons.)

If your PF9 has failures to extract, you merely need to add a 2nd curved flat extractor spring ($1) on top of the existing one so that it grips the 9mm case more strongly. The spring (see photo) is held in place by a 6-32 screw, and you’ll need to replace that screw with a slightly longer one that has just about exactly one more thread to make up for the additional thickness of the 2nd spring, because the screw (as in other designs) does double duty to keep the firing pin from leaving the gun! Simply buy a couple pan-head 6-32 screws (ten cents each), accurately cut & file/grind the length correctly, and lock-tite when you have tested it. Fixed! I include a photo where if you look very closely you can see both springs stacked, and the new screw holding them.

On to the P-11. These go VERY CHEAP used, likely because of two issues: This slightly chunkier (1” wide) double-stack pistol (10 or 12 rounds) has what many consider a great self-defense trigger: it is FULLY double-action. The trigger both cocks and fires; as a result, if your primer doesn’t go off, you can simply pull the trigger again immediately and it works! But it is a real trigger pull (no safety needed here either!) and many people don’t realize its advantages – including the fellow who made it possible for me to buy his turned-in specimen for $176 from my favorite retailer. I LIKE it that way in a defensive gun.

The second issue, in my opinion, is the design of the extractor tip (that grabs the 9mm case and pulls it back from the chamber after firing) which is built with a perfectly vertical straight edge sitting just at and below the midline of the case. Because it is a straight edge trying to grasp a round groove, it grabs the circular case rim at only ONE point. Two out of three of my P11’s had extraction problems.

If yours does also, three bits of file work may make it perfect: (a) give a that extractor a “slant” (or even a radius) to the business end somewhat matching the case curve better, (b) take a bit off of the extractor “flat” that butts up against the slide, so that the extractor can go even further into the case groove, and (c) round the front (leading) edge just slightly so it will nicely bump over a case rim should it need to.

This idea is not original with me; I found here here: Ref [2]. In a photo below I show the extractor (silver sharpie dot) both on and off the firearm, and I tried to mark the places you could trim a bit to get more grasp of the case. The part is CHEAP ($4.50) so buy a couple in case you err. It comes out easily by removing a roll pin with a tiny nail as a tool. The description of how to file in Ref [2] is much better than my photo, so read this carefully through; it only takes a few moments once you see what you need to do. If you know this trick, you can take firearms that others practically GIVE away and turn them into very cheap and very reliable equipment!

The youtube video Ref [3] nicely demonstrates how to field strip and reassemble these Keltecs, and also shows a “gotcha” that some of mine also had– barrel doesn’t always slide easily fully forward on its own accord during reassembly (unless you “fluff & buff” the gun quite a bit) and as a result the takedown pin won’t find the proper slot in the barrel. Clerks at gun shops may not even be aware of this, and it is another reason (once you demonstrate it) to argue for a lower price! Knowing this trick will save you considerable embarrassment when reviewing a Keltec for possible purchase.

Precisely because these firearms have a few rough edges, a few oddities and areas of possible improvements, they are available used for HALF or less what fancy new 9mm’s cost. Two for the price of one! I prefer to have a small number of my very favorite carry/range pistols and I paid dearly for some of them – and then I prefer to have several “just for bad times” extra firearms that can be stored in locked boxes in each vehicle of our family. The Keltec’s have filled that niche very nicely.


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Top Mistakes in Training for Self-Defense Shooting

By Ethan Robinson

These days, self-defense is something many people hold as important, especially firearms training. However, the acquired skills may be compromised if discrepancies are made during training. Here, we’ve got the top mistakes people commonly make when it comes to firearms training for self-defense.

Not training in the proper field

In different fields of firearms training, different techniques and strategies are used. Whether it’s for hunting, for civilians, for law enforcement, or others, it’s important to have the proper training in the right field. Tactics used for training in one field will not always be applicable to another, leading to possible lawsuits.

Not having effective student-instructor ratio for training

When you’re training for self-defense shooting, you need a focused instruction to learn quickly and effectively. This will most likely not be achieved in a classroom setting that has more than 20 students and only one instructor. Of course, having one-or-one instruction or near to it will be best for beginners.

Listening to inexpert instruction

Bad habits are acquired when people learn from inexperienced gun owners. Having the license to carry a gun does not make anyone a real expert on firearms. For proficient training, find an experienced instructor. Talk to people who take self-defense classes and ask about their experiences to find the right fit for you.

Repeating one skill too much

Practicing your skills is good, but focusing on just one technique is not. You might end up being unable to adapt to the various scenarios which may call for self-defense. Always try to keep your skills varied and efficient by mixing up your practice. Focus on mastering different skills, not just one or two.

Not having a realistic mindset for self-defense

Self-defense training helps you protect yourself from hostile forces. In a real setting, shots will not be clean hits on paper targets. As much as possible, inject realism into your training by using targets that are clothed or in 3D. Practice different angles and positions for shooting and try practicing on moving targets.

Not having more instruction or guidance

Professional instruction on basic self-defense shooting skills is important. After the needed preliminary knowledge, keep learning by having guidance from someone else. Self-defense skills are not developed with just one dimension. Continue learning so you’ll know different skills for different scenarios.

Not doing drills with dry firing

Ammo is expensive, especially when you’re just beginning to learn. To save money and time, practice dry firing at home. Make sure the guns are not loaded and keep all ammunition away. With this, you can improve your trigger control and practice drawing from your holster for improved muscle memory.

Having the wrong type of gun for you

Not all types of guns would fit well with everybody. The right gun is determined by several factors that differ from one person to another, so try out different types before settling to one. The factors to consider include experience, body type, the size of one’s hands, and to what purpose you will use the gun.

Self-defense is an important skill to have against the unpredictable dangers of today’s world, so make sure to have proper training by avoiding these mistakes. No aspect of your training must be sacrificed for substandard skills, as these are what will safeguard you against real-life threats.

Bio: Ethan Robinson is a gun and self-defense enthusiast, hunter, blogger, and online marketing strategist based in Australia. He is currently partnering with IDF Holsters, a top supplier of high-quality holsters, tactical equipment and weapon accessories.

Random Thoughts on Bug Out Bag Firearms

bug out bag and gunMost people will suggest a .22 caliber rifle, such as the Ruger 10/22 and this is a great choice. A .22 caliber rifle can take small game as well as larger game such as deer with proper shot placement.

Another advantage for having a .22 Long rifle is the relatively low-report especially when using CB caps and the ability to be effectively silenced with a commercial or homemade sound suppressor aka “silencer”. Just remembered that such a device is illegal without proper government approval and will land you behind bars if you’re caught, and is suggested here for a worst case scenario only or after you have went through all of the legal hoops.

The downside of the .22 Long rifle round is limited range, penetration and stopping power all of which limit the rounds effectiveness when used for self-defense. I suggest a backup handgun chambered for a cartridge suitable for self-defense. I would not go below a 9mm or 38 special and then us good expanding ammo.

Even with a 9mm and 38 special, you should seriously consider using only the +P rounds such as the 115 or 124 grain JHP +P in the 9 mm or 158-grain lead semi-wadcutter hollow point .38 Special +P for defensive purposes .

Your location would also determine weapons choice. For example those bugging-out in grizzly country should definitely consider something more powerful than the aforementioned 9 mm or 38 special.

My first choice for protection against such large game would be a center-fire rifle chambered for 308 or larger. My second choice would be a magnum revolver with a 5.5″ to 7.5″ barrel chambered for .44 magnum or larger.

It is wise to avoid any armed confrontation if possible. Trust me you are not a coward if you avoid the possibility of being shot or having to shoot someone else. You are not expendable – neither are the lives of your family or those in your bug out group. Those with the macho kill ‘em all attitudes will not last very long after the poop hit’s the fan.

With that being said, a semi-auto military style rifle should be considered especially if you are trying to get from an urban area to the country, where facing organized gangs or other threats attempting to block your exit could be a possibility.

An AR-15 with collapsible buttstock or folding stocked AK-47 (for compactness and concealability) could help get you out of a dangerous situation if you’re forced into one, while taking up little space and not adding significant weight to your overall survival gear.

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Rifles for Home Defense

Why a handgun should be your first SHTF weapon purchase for self-defense

pic of Glock 19 Gen4

Glock 19

The issue of the best SHTF gun has been worked top to bottom, bottom to top and side to side and back again, it is nothing new.

Some will say a .22 rifle or shotgun, others will suggest an AR-15 or some other centerfire magazine fed rifle and a few will tell you a bolt-action is the most logical choice.

While they aren’t wrong – at least under certain circumstances, they fail to see the big picture or fail to realize what really happens after a collapse.

It would seem many survivalist have been influenced by Hollywood or writers of fiction and can’t separate reality from fantasy. Leave make-believe to the armchair commandos and teenage boys.

Points to consider

  • You won’t be engaging constant combat after a disaster.
  • Those wanting to do you harm will not announce the fact.
  • Anyone wanting to rob or steal from you will attack when you’re most vulnerable.
  • If you’re attacked it will be up close, quick and violent.

After a collapse, violent crime will increase to levels never thought possible, theft, robbery, kidnappings and home invasion will be the norm. You’ll need to be armed at all times. Not following this rule will almost guarantee that you will be abused, robbed, raped, tortured and killed at some point.

Keeping a rifle or shotgun on your person at all times is impossible. Working the garden, feeding the chickens, cutting firewood, setting traps etc. And don’t forget barter markets where going armed will likely be forbidden. Criminals will know this and will wait to attack when you leave the market area.

It’s been said before; the first rule of winning a fight is to have a gun, in this regard a handgun makes the most sense. I know many of you look to be attacked from a distance, you see yourself returning fire from 300 or more yards away.

It could happen – but it’s not likely. In war yes; but not in a SHTF situation – most survivalist confuse the two. You’re more likely to need to defend yourself at arm’s length than from a distance of several hundred yards, if you’re attacked it will be fast, brutal and in your face close-up.

In a recent study it was found that 90% of police and civilian self-defense shooting occurred at ranges of less than 15 feet, with 34% being from contact to 3 feet.

I can’t find one justifiable civilian self-defense shooting taking place at 100 yards or beyond – if you know of a documented case please let us know.

Like any firearm, handguns are encumbered by a number of limitations; namely low power and limited range compared to a rifle or shotgun – but a handgun can be there when you need it and that is most important…

And no, I’m not saying that you should sell your shotguns and rifles and go buy handguns, what I’m saying is that a handgun will be your most useful and used self-defense tool now and after the SHTF.  If you have no defensive firearms get a good handgun first (it’s hard to beat the Glock 19), and learn how to use it, IE get professional training. Then expand your self-defense “arsenal” and training to include shotguns and rifles.

The Bedside Home Defense Kit

The first kit that we will look at in this chapter is what I refer to as “the bedside kit” and as the reference implies, this kit is kept beside your bed in a drawer or under the bed in a small box with a lid such as a plastic storage box with a snap on lid, you could of course just toss the kit under your bed, but that would allow dust, dirt and grim to accumulate and the items to be more likely to be scattered and difficult to find, especially in the dark, when you’re most likely to need them.

Of course, if you have small children living at home, you won’t be able to do this, you’ll need to secure your handgun from being assessed by them while still being available to you. There are a number of ways to do this, but I like the Gunvault MV500-STD Microvault Pistol Gun Safe for this.

My bedside kit - The kit includes a handgun, extra loaded magazines, weapon mounted and hand-held flashlights, a phone and a blood control kit.

My bedside kit – The kit includes a handgun, extra loaded magazines, weapon mounted and hand-held flashlights, a phone and a blood control kit.

The kit above is good for most home owners that are concerned about crime, theft or home invasion, but my readers aren’t usual nor typical and most (as I do) see it necessary, to be even better prepared and armed with an extended bedside kit, because you never know what, or who is going to burst through your door in the middle of the night.

The photo below shows my extended bedside kit…

My bedside kit

The extended kit includes a Mossberg 590 pump-action shotgun, extra buckshot, body armor, and gas mask.

After Argentina’s economic collapse home invasions by well-armed gangs was common place. According to the accounts of people who were there, the gangs would invade the homes, (they targeted rural secluded homes and farms mostly), and then tortured and rape the inhabitants for days… I see this also being the case in the U.S. (or any other country) after a major long-term social upheaval. Have your bedside kit ready because you never know when they are going to come through the door at 3:00 AM.

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