How To Build A Respectable, Functionable, Survival Armory For Around $2,300

This is a guest post and entry in our non-fiction writing contest by Jason in Virginia

Any prepper will tell you that weapons, be they for self-defense or hunting, are an integral part of your preps. Any SMART prepper will also tell you that they are not the end all be all of prepping, nor are they the most important part either. Unfortunately, there exists a vein in the community (thankfully it is non-existent or shouted down on this particular blog, but it exists in the broader movement) that insists that anyone owning less than a full national guard sized armory capable of arming a brigade sized group to the teeth with everything from night vision goggles to tanks (I’m not kidding, I’ve seen it suggested on a board that a survival group build out a mock Abrams piece by piece) is not a “real” prepper or survivalist, or else is naive and is doomed to be victims of the somehow highly trained organized and disciplined groups of anti-social criminal super-villians wandering the land.

I’ll not get into the inherent contradictions in the notion of anti-social organized disciplined groups here. Thats for the shrinks to figure out. Please do not misunderstand me either, I’ve no doubt that if TSHTF, bands of criminals and looters will abound, I just don’t know that they’ll be quite so efficient as some portray. Most of those who’d gravitate towards such groups are cowards, and would much rather prey on the weak than someone with a demonstrative ability, skill, and will to shoot back.

Finally, please understand that I make a marked distinction between a firearms enthusiast and a Rambo wannabe. If guns are your hobby, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. If insisting to your buddies that the fact that you own six AK-74’s all with laser sights good out to 450 yards with built in night vision goggles strapped to the buttstock modified to fully automatic makes you a real survivalist and everyone else who doesn’t is sheeple and zombie food is your hobby, well, you’re reading the wrong article. Go polish your SOG bayonet.

I’m writing this for preppers like myself. I’ve been around guns my whole life. Started hunting with my Dad around age 10, pistols as a teenager, did my time on the ground in the military. I like guns, I know the basics, I enjoy shooting from time to time, and I realize they are an important part of preps. But I’m not a “gun guy”. I can’t discuss in depth the advantages of a West German H&K 91 vs an M1A, or explain the greater stopping power of a 7.62 round vs a 5.56. Folks like Jarhead and Riverrider can explain all of that, and it’s valuable knowledge to have.

But I’ll be frank. I don’t care too much about the technical side of firearms. If it works, meaning that so long as I take care of it, when I load it, point it at a target, and pull the trigger, it goes bang and puts a hole in what I was pointing at, I’m good. I can break them down and clean them and put them back together like any normal soldier, but that’s pretty much where it ends. For me, it’s about functionality and price, just like the rest of my preps. I don’t want to break the bank on them.

But, being honest, weapons aren’t cheap, and building an adequate survival armory can be a relatively expensive proposition. The following lists my “arsenal”, that I believe covers my needs in the situations I am likely to face. Of course, any preppers plan must be modified to suit there own situation. All of these weapons were purchased a piece at a time, and on sale when I could find them. If you were to recreate this list, it would cost approximately $2,300 not including FFL transfer fees or any other throw ins. Your mileage may vary.

I’m not at all advocating running out and buying these at the same time, and the “good” news (for your wallet) is that one gun (the CAR15 223) takes up nearly 33% of the entire cost, and I advocate making this your final piece. Finally, these weapons are not always the “cheapest” in there respective categories per se, but IMHO, represent the best value for your dollar.

1. Slingshot. Don’t laugh, at least not until you’ve taken a ball bearing off of a wrist rocket to the chest at about 15 feet. You will think you’ve been shot. It hurts. A lot. This is more for pest removal in and around your location, especially when noise discipline is important. A good slingshot and decent aim can take out a rabbit at 15 yards. One less pest in your garden, one more meal in the pot. You can find a variety of slingshots on amazon for around $10 dollars.

2. Bowie knife. Admittedly, this is used almost solely for hunting. If I’m down to fighting with my knife, its bad times in the neighborhood, and shame on me for being caught out unprepared. Nevertheless, it is a weapon, and if left with a choice of a knife fight or death, yeah I’d use it. Wal-Mart, $15. There are other knives available for defense, my knowledge of them is limited. Like I said, I don’t wanna be the guy who brought a knife to a gun fight.

3. Marlin Model 60 .22. A classic rifle, one of the most popular in the world, its tube fed with a respectable magazine capacity, and is quite easy to mount a scope on. Handles varmints of the 4 legged variety, and will certainly give pause to the 2 legged variety. Has to be considered a best buy for $179 at wal mart.

4. Remington 870 12 gauge. I learned to shoot on the 12 gauge with my dad in the woods. I still vividly remember the massive bruise I had the next day from the recoil from not listening when he taught me how to shoulder it. My father gave me his when I graduated basic training. There’s an emotional attachment to this particular model, but its also very highly regarded for its quality and reliability. This is your meat rifle. Deer hunting, bird hunting, whatever game is in your area. It may also serve as your peace keeper. Nothing tends to settle arguments faster than the sound of a shotgun shell being racked. It is also universal language for “don’t freaking move if you’d like to live another 5 minutes”. Oftentimes a good solid bluff will save both YOUR and someone else life. $339 dollars at various online outlets.

5. Bushmaster CAR 15 223 16. This is your firefight gun. Your last resort, no kidding under attack full on battle rifle. For this reason, and given its healthy price-tag in relation to the other weapons on this list, I recommend making this your final purchase of your “creating a basic” arsenal. It is a nice, LIGHT, AR style rifle that comes equipped with a red dot scope and is reasonably priced for what it is. DISCLAIMER: It is true that you can build an AR-15 piece by piece for cheaper (SEE RIVERRIDERS POST ENTITLED “Don’t Pay A Fortune For An AR-15“), but for the rank amateur, “not gun-guys” here, I think most of us would be more comfortable with a pre-assembled version. Yes, this is biased, no, its not the smartest move in the world, and yes, we will do it anyways. Because we’re not gun guys. 🙂

6. Taurus PT-709 Slim. A nine millimeter pistol that serves as an excellent CCW. 7+1 capacity and can be carried in a standard pockets or holsters. Perfect for EDC. I chose a nine for EDC because of my state. It is a solid pro 2nd amendment state with fairly easy to obtain CC licenses. It’s courts however, have been a bit ubiquitous when dealing with deaths resulting from lethal force with CC license holders. Nine millimeters have stopping power, but they’re slightly less likely to kill you than a .45, depending upon shot placement. Yes, I know there are good arguments for ignoring this fact, being judged by 12 vs carried by 6, I get it. It’s just the personal decision I made for myself. It can be found new for $341 dollars online.

7. Taurus PT111 Millennium Pro. Another 9 mil, this sits in my GHB. It’s a full sized, beefier 9, handles recoil a bit better, and can be used as a blunt weapon in a worst case scenario. I chose a nine millimeter here for much the same reason as the EDC is. If I’ve broken out the Get Home Bag, things are bad, and I’m not trying to engage, I’m running, hiding, trying to evade and get home ASAP. Not trying to fight it out with anyone. Commonly found for $359 dollars online.

8. Taurus PT145 Millennium Pro. The .45 is for home/retreat defense. Virginia may be conflicted about using lethal force out in a public setting, but has a solid record of upholding the right to defend your home. In Virginia, if you enter a man’s home uninvited, regardless of intent, you get what you get and that’s that. So I reserve the hand cannon for the house. I’m not high on the notion of shooting anyone for any reason, but I feel strongly that if I’m forced to have a firefight in the confined area that is my house, I want it to be over in one shot. This is far more likely if I have the forty-five on hand. Can easily be purchased online for $359 dollars.

Incidentally, my handguns are Taurus as a matter of personal preference. I find them to be good, well made, reliable firearms that are reasonable priced and have a 100% lifetime warranty. It’s just a matter of preference for me, but I never hesitate to recommend them. They’ve always been good to me, but I have no connection to Taurus, Remington, Marlin, or any other firearms or weapons manufacturer listed in my post.

As a final note, I strongly encourage anyone who may be interested in building there basic arsenal to do there own research and shop around. Prices vary, and I encourage purchasing used firearms from responsible dealers/individuals when possible, as prices on the used market may be drastically lower than retail. Get some range time in with the weapons before you purchase them. Make sure your comfortable with the way they feel in your hand and the way they fire.

Most dealers with ranges will allow you to “rent” a firearm for a nominal price to fire it so long as you purchase your ammunition from them. Take advantage of that. Try as many models and calibers as interest you. Maybe a .38 feels better in your hand than a .9. Or the game in your area dictates you replace the 12 gauge with a 30.06. My final suggestion is simply to make sure whatever you choose is a commonly available caliber. If SHTF, an unloaded gun will be about as useful as the gossip magazine in the grocery store line.

I can’t wait to hear your comments on the list! What’s in YOUR basic survival arsenal?

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Comments

  1. Hunker-Down says:

    M.D., If this is out of bounds, please delete it and accept my apologies.

    This is an email I received today, and I feel is un-American to not share it with you.

    No one has been able to explain to me why young men and women serve in the U.S. Military for 20 years, risking their lives protecting freedom, and only get 50% of their pay. While Politicians hold their political positions in the safe confines of the capital, protected by these same men and women, and receive full pay retirement after serving one term. It just does not make any sense.

    Monday on Fox news they learned that the staffers of Congress family members are exempt from having to pay back student loans. This will get national attention if other news networks will broadcast it. When you add this to the below, just where will all of it stop?

    35 States file lawsuit against the Federal Government

    Governors of 35 states have filed suit against the Federal Government for imposing unlawful burdens upon them. It only takes 38 (of the 50) States to convene a Constitutional Convention.
    For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress.
    Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform… in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn’t seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don’t care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.

    Here is the proposed amendment. Call your governor until he/she gets behind us in this unfair, un-American issue. Until this is corrected, we are living (unknowingly) in a banana republic.

    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

    “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States .”

    • H-D.,

      Thank you for posting this. You would think that the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment would require Congress to be subject to the same laws that the rest of us are subject to. Congress may not get this done; but the Court should.

    • SurvivorDan says:

      Right on Hunker-Down! That’s why I, as an Independent conservative, have gone from rooting for the Republican party to total disgust at the greed and self-serving of both parties. I think a lot of their bluster directed at each other publicly is just a show for the ‘useful idiots’…..us. I will continue to participate in local elections but have lost the stomach for having to vote for any Feds.
      It’s a filthy sham and we are duped by these vermin time and time again.

      • SurvivorDan says:

        Sorry Jason and all for going off topic but I see red when more and more of the filthy looting by the Feds is revealed. And nothing gets done about it.

        • Tinfoil Hat says:

          No apology needed! Glad you posted it. Well, maybe not entirely glad, as I’m now sick to my stomach thinking about it, but you get my meaning….Ron Paul 2012

          • Hunker-Down says:

            SurvivorDAn,

            Call your Governor; post it on Facebook. Tell every citizen. Lets get the proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution passed.

        • riverrider says:

          there goes my blood pressure again:(

          • Another reason for a good secession movement .

            • How did that secession movement workout last time? Are you ready for that? The only thing that may be on the secession side is all the countries that hate the us would recognize the new country and help against the US. It will still be a civil war when we try to kick the lefties out. As for Ron Paul get real. He talks the talk real good, but he don’t walk the walk. He’s been in CONgress for twenty years now. What has he really done? Has he put out a bill impeach obuma? Has he brought up ethics charges on his fellow CONgress critters for unconstitutional acts? Has he used the millions from his PACs to sue against the unconstitutional bills passed by CONgress? Haven’t seen it either?

            • Tinfoil Hat says:

              Ken

              Congressman Paul has been in office since ’98 (in addition to a stint in the 70’s). What he has done is bring full attention to the overreaching of the federal government. He has brought attention to the evil unconstitutional Federal Reserve and the unconstitutional income tax, along with irresponsible and irrational foreign policy. I despise TDL, but precisely what high crimes and misdemeanors do you suggest bringing him on impeachment charges for? To bring him up on bogus impeachment charges would be unconstitutional. It’s unfortunate that Americans allowed the left to hijack this country fair and square. Personally, I’d rather have a man focused on governing based on the constitution that presses for freedom and liberty than some blowhard who draws up phony and useless impeachment articles for sitting presidents and members of Congress. His PAC money is used to bring attention to his candidacy so that the issues he raises cannot be ignored by the mainstream political establishment. Not to fund useless symbolic paperwork….

          • Hunker-Down says:

            riverrider,

            Call your Governor; post it on Facebook. Tell every citizen. Lets get the proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution passed.

            • Tin foil! Really? All Ron Paul does is talk! He’s even called for impeachment of obuma! Really? Impeachment comes out of the house, where Ron Paul is a member, so if it’s going to be done he’s the one to bring it out. He’s frequently pointed out unconstitutional acts of obuma and his cronies, so that would be the charges. I don’t who tdl is that your referring to so what? Congress passes unconstitutional laws all the time and all CONgressman Ron Paul does is talk about it. So what? PACs can be used for more than just getting elected and nothing talks more than real action. Using his PAC in this way would prove action than just talk. Get over him

  2. Phil in L.A. says:

    I love the list, and alot of you guys are like me, over the years we have collected many amazing firearms. The other day I emptied all three of my safes to catalog all serial numbers and take photos for the insurance company. I trully had no idea how many firearms we really had in the house. My girl friend commented that it looked like a DEA seizure table. I just laughed and than made a list of guns I dont have but want and realized there are only 10 to go. Yikes I can arm the whole neighborhood. ha ha ha.

  3. william greene says:

    I would never depend on Taurus firearms for SHTF. But…..YMMV

  4. Thank you, Jason, for a really well-written, well-rehearsed post. I’m inspired to take my boys out tomorrow to the very muddy range for a round of safety training and targets. It will be a first for my youngest… he is so excited!
    The sling shots are a great idea, and one that I plan on fully implementing. They are inexpensive, tend to not be taken seriously, and ammunition is free. Can’t beat that.
    Cheers,
    Cat

    • Must be tired/late. what does ‘well-rehearsed post’ mean? Sorry crew for some spaciness!
      Cat

  5. Dwayne Dees says:

    Just started getting into a little of this a while back, and I have to admit to doing a little more in the gun area to start as it is where I have the most experience (I work 9 to 5 as a self employed gunsmith), so I am on a fairly tight budget. Here is what I have done so far;
    Shotguns, Mossberg 500 .12g and NEF single shot .20g
    Hunting, M1817 Enfield in .30-06 and Mosin Nagant M38 and M91/30 with a H&R M895 .22 and Kel-Tech SU16A
    Defense, WASR-10 and SKS in 7.62×39 and AR15 I built myself
    Handguns, Remington 1911A1, East German Makarov 9×18, HRR .22 revolver, Taurus 24/7 OSS 9mm and 709 9mm.
    I am working on a couple other things in this area as well, and building stockpiles of parts and ammo for all, including getting a small reloading press. I may end up making a couple more ARs and am looking into getting some .38 revolvers as well for BOB and E&E kits, and would like to pick up a couple more .22 rifles and some more shotguns for other family members, but mainly concerned with getting the other equipment purchases started, 99.9% of the problems I figure my family will face won’t involve shooting.

    • riverrider says:

      southern ohio gun has police trade-in taurus 38’s on sale for about 150 bucks. i got two. one needed a detailed cleaning but they shot well.

      • Dwayne Dees says:

        Yep, I am looking at those right now and think they will be the choice for me. I have owned many Rossi and Taurus revolvers over the years and found that they are great pistols at a great price, but sometimes things do need to be done to them to improve them; typically just polishing contact surfaces and replacing springs. I chose .38 as it was possibly the most common revolver ammo in the country, it has a very mild recoil (since it will also be getting use by the wife and daughters), is a smaller frame/easier to carry conceal and there is nearly nothing as reliable out there as a wheel gun for an “absolutely has to work, no matter what” type of pistol. I am also building myself a couple more 1911s and picking up some Chinese training air rifles, so I can teach marksmanship on the cheap and use them for small game.

  6. Check on the Marlin and 870 (both in 12 and 20 here), as well as the Taurus 45 cal (and a 9 mm). Was just looking at the conceal size Taurus’ to upgrade my Bersa. Glad you brought them into conversation. Rem 700 in 270 win.

    I dunno I’ve had both Taurus for years — no misfires at all. Decent gun for the price level. I bought them when that was the money I had to spend and have not regretted the purchase. I have much pricier taste in guns, just not the pocketbook to back it up.

    A Ruger 10/22 is on the wish list as a target gun. I’ll hunt the Marlin.

  7. This is great stuff. I love that you outlined exactly how someone could create a solid arsenal.

    I only have 2 of the 8 – time to start saving a bit.

  8. There’s lots of great information here. I won’t weigh in on which specific guns to get, as I really believe that depends on your personal preferences and experience. The comments here show that there are plenty of views on that question.

    In general, you need to consider your potential needs and then look for weapons that will accommodate those needs. Be able to hunt a large variety of game in your area (varmints, fowl, medium game, predators). Be able to defend yourself and your family in a variety of situations (at home, on the road, etc.).

    The one thing I would add is to make room in the budget for ammo and peripherals. Sights, scopes, magazines, slings, cleaning equipment and so forth really add up. So does ammo, especially high quality stuff. A $2,000 rifle is worthless if you don’t have any ammo to feed it. Likewise, be sure to get some training so you can make the most of your weapons.

    I recently bought a nice custom AR-15 and I’m now in the process of outfitting it. Mags, sights and other small parts will likely run me close to $400. Add in a good red dot scope and the cost might be double. Then add a few hundred rounds of ammo to the mix and I’m already above the cost of the original rifle – and that’s just the basics as far as I’m concerned. We haven’t even looked into training yet.

    I recently saw a breakdown of shooting expenses that put the cost of the gun at about 1/3 of the total cost the the shooting “package” (including gun, sights, ammo, peripherals, training, etc).

    You can cut costs in some places and spread out some of these costs over time. Just don’t think that if you have $1,000 to spend on guns, you should be looking at $1,000 guns.

  9. Hawkeye says:

    JMD…………

    Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  10. “I’ll not get into the inherent contradictions in the notion of anti-social organized disciplined groups here.”

    I will with three more words: Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs.

  11. Jason, great post! It took me about 5 minutes to read, was very well thought out, and if I were just starting out, a good way to get some ideas. The slingshot was something I had never thought of, even though my youngest uses his around the farm all the time. I’m not a “gun nut” either, although guns are my hobby, the tools of my trade (I’m military), and I love collecting and shooting them. That said, though, I agree that firearms are only a small, but very vital, part of prepping. It took me over 3 hours (off and on) to read all the comments folks have posted here, and I have to agree with almost all of them – on everything. When prepping, there is no “one answer fits all”. You have thought out your needs very well, and unless you were one of the Lotto winners, budget usually dictates how far you can go.
    I’d like to share some of my thoughts from years of firearm use and general prepping. Like some here, I eventually settled on the Eastern Bloc route on weapon selection for long guns. I had several ARs, but eventually sold them off after a deployment or two to sandier regions of the world. My reasoning was pretty simple – if it really came to a SHTF scenario, I needed a rifle that would go bang every time, period. Weapons maintenance is important, but due to tight tolerances and design of the ARs, it is critical. AK-47s were designed to operate in all environments, with less than garrison level care, and be used by people with minimal kit and ability to clean the weapons. Yes, they are heavier and less accurate than the ARs, but I live in central VA, and the opportunities for shots over 300m are few. Within 300m, I can reliably hit a torso sized target. Price had some part to play as well, but mostly my experiences in the Sandbox cemented my choice.
    Main rifles: AK-47s. Reliability was the deciding factor. I have mine fitted with folding stocks for compactness, in case they have to be used from a vehicle. My oldest son has an SKS, for ammunition compatibility, and because it has a longer effective range.
    .22 Rifles: My kids decided on Ruger 10/22s, mainly because they just plain like them over some of the other .22s in the safe. All have 3-9x scopes with see-through rings, so they can still use iron sights.
    Handguns: .45 ACP was our choice. I carry a 1911, my oldest daughter a Kimber Ultra Carry, and my wife (a revolver girl through and through) snagged one of my Webley Mk VIs. The younger two kids carry Walther P22s in .22. They will eventually “up-gun”, once they are comfortable doing so. For now, since they love going to the range and I can actually afford it, P22s are just fine.
    Shotguns: I have three, and would hate to have to choose only one to take. The first is a Rossi .410 single shot (with a .22 inter-changeable barrel) that is a great small game gun. The second is a Maverick 88 (Mossberg 500 clone), which is very reliable. The third is my baby – a Winchester 1897 made in 1927. When I was doing Cowboy Action Shooting, I used this shotgun. It handles birdshot, buck, and slug with no problems.
    I have a variety of other handguns in .32 ACP, .38 Special, .380 ACP, and 9mm. Several of them are my carry guns, depending on circumstances. I love shooting them, but in a SHTF scenario, they would not be my first picks (but definitely be used as back-ups if I could). Besides the AKs and Ruger 10/22s, I have some 8mm Mausers and British SMLEs in .303, both excellent bolt action rifles. I know the “preferred” action is semi-auto, but these rifles have the reach and power to do anything I could ever ask of them. There are also a few bows and a crossbow, just to round out the less-noisy hunting options, but again, they are not our primary arms.
    Nearly all of my firearms are military surplus. I have found that prices on good, proven surplus arms generally offset the fact that they are “older” tech. I would definitely recommend to people starting out to look at surplus arms as a cost effective way to build an “arsenal” without breaking the bank. There are concerns, of course, buying any used gun, but these weapons were purpose designed for exactly what we may (hopefully never) need them to do.

  12. Re the writeup above, I don;t think the Bushmaster is what one can call a “Battle Rifle”. I have one, but I refer to it as an “Assault Rifle”. The M-14- now that weapon is what I call a “Battle Rifle”, along with the Garand M1A, weapons of .308, 30-06 caliber and the like fall under that category. The Black Rifle was responsible for the death of too many a GI in the Vietnam War when the Defense contractors sent those weapons to the troops without enough testing but too much money going around to get Stoner’s Black Rifle baptised as the
    “new” GI standard weapon of war. Reports from soldiers in Somalia from an episode on the Military Channel spoke of soldiers shooting the enemy in Somalia but being unable to stop them with their M-16’s despite multiple hits with the .223. The M-14 is still preferred by a number of Navy Seals and people who know their guns. M16, M4, AR, CAR, in as many configurations as you can imagine, the Black Rifle can never be a battle rifle. Let’s just call it an assault rifle and leave it at that. The mere fact that the Kalashnikov AK -47 is the weapon of choice of more countries by millions around the world than we think is proof positive that the .223 just won’t cut it. Just my couple of cents.

    • Gerry,
      You are correct on the terminology and the history. The M-16 family was never designed as a “battle rifle” – it was designed as a replacement for the Air Force Air Police’s M-1 Carbines. For that role, it was ideal. When the smaller statured South Vietnamese saw it, they wanted it to replace their larger, heavier M-1 Garands. After that, everything from politics to inter-service rivalry to bribery mixed it up to get the rifle adopted. It has improved significantly over the last 40 years, but it’s major issues -100% reliability and a crappy anti-personnel cartridge – are still outstanding in the service versions. New, non-service M-16/m-4 weapons have improved to the point that they can be considered reliable, and cartridge choices make a big difference. The biggest thing that the AR platforms have going for them from a prepper’s viewpoint is that there is a lot of them, parts and accessories are common, and ammo is readily available from a whole bunch of sources. The biggest thing to remember with 5.56mm is shot placement. Hitting a vital does the job every time, but that’s always the trick, isn’t it? Same with the 7.62×39 from the AK, but simple physics give the bigger bullet an edge at most practical ranges.

  13. livinglife says:

    At the end of the day it doesn’t matter what you have in your arsenal if you do not practice with them a minimum of once every few months. One week end day with sling, slingshot, bow, the next outing pistols, the next rifles/shotgun.
    Practice a quick draw with the target six-eight feet away and see how many rounds you can put on it. This is a real life average shoot out scenario.
    If for some reason if you are relying on a full auto weapon to put down a lead curtain (spray and pray) I suggest you end this self esteem charade and practice one well placed shot instead.

    I don’t disagree withe the calibers or brands, everyone has their own preference. Most every company has ran into quality issues at one point or another, do your homework before buying.
    Last Item, 5.56 and .223 are the exact same bullet (projectile), they are NOT the same round, there is a difference in the shoulder angle and head pressure. Many newer rifles can fire either and are marked such, IE, Wylde chamber, 5.56/.223, variable chamber, etc. Do not take chances with your face and hands. YouTube has video’s of this happening.

  14. What i have and what i am working on getting

    1. slingshot
    2. Sage Takedown Recurve Bow
    3. 10/22 Ruger with foldable stock, short barrel. perfect for backpack
    4. Henry survival rifle
    5. Remington 870 short barrel with scope (my deer gun and home defense)
    6. Mossburg 500
    7. Model 91 Mosin Nagant (super cheap)
    8. Civilian AR15 varient
    9. .22 pistol, 9mm pistol, .45 acp