Things To Consider Before Bugging Out

Guest post by Michael

A year or so ago, I became interested in preparing for a disaster, so I went to the Internet to see what other folks are doing to prepare. I was surprised to learn the number of people who have been preparing for quite some time, and also at the level of their preparations; purchasing remote properties, building up a personal arsenal, and buying and storing food stocks for their families.

I figured I needed to ‘get on board’ and start my own preparations. I had a lot to do and a lot to consider; food stocks, weapons and ammunition, off-the-grid livingcommunications, tools, skills, bug out bag, get home bag, maps, cash, precious metals, and much more. Whew!

I am a planning-type person, and I don’t usually do anything without careful consideration and a solid plan. I like to think through what I will do, what I might need in the way of tools, parts, etc., and what my desired results are before I begin a project. Like all my projects, whether they be a family vacation, changing the brakes on my car, or preparing for a disaster, I feel a need to plan.

I decided to work on my preparedness tasks in parallel. As I was building up my food stocks, I also built up my weapons and ammo stock, and continued to read and learn about preparedness and survival. When I began to tackle a bug out plan, I found the task quite difficult as I thought through the three elements of how I tackle projects:

  1. What is the task or tasks involved?
  2. What items and tools will I need?
  3. What are my desired results?

Right away, I knew the answer to question three. In a bug out situation, I desired to stay alive and have the best quality of life possible for the situation. Answering questions one and two were not so easy. The planning gene in my head caused me to think about what actually is involved with pre and post “bugging out” in order to answer the first two questions. As I thought about making my plan, a sound solution to bugging out became quite murky.

There are many websites, blogs, and videos available via the Internet that provide information, ideas, and examples of bug out situations, bug out equipment, and bug out strategies, and I eagerly studied as much as a I could. I initially thought bugging out was a mighty fine idea when the SHTF. After careful consideration, though, I have concluded that bugging out should be my last resort, my “plan Z”, and only after I’ve tried every possible way to avoid it. I offer these bug out cons for your consideration:

The Plan

Everyone should have a plan and equipment for bugging out for those extreme situations when your back is to the wall, or marauding gangs are torching every house on your street. If you must bug out, have a pre-planned destination, and you must get there before your supplies run out. Essential to your bug out plan is to clearly define the condition(s) that would trigger your “got to bug out” alarm.

Remember, though, you’ll be quitting your job, abandoning your house, and your bills will pile up in your overflowing mailbox and remain unpaid. When a crisis occurs, you will not have time to make a successful bug out plan, so you must make your plan now. Anyone can make a plan, but it takes careful thought and consideration to make a successful plan.

Quality Of Life

The notion of bugging out is quite simple; grab your stuff and go. However, after bugging out and arriving “somewhere”, then what? What will you do and what will be your quality of life? When you are at home, all your equipment, food stocks, weapons, and gear are basically within easy reach.

If you have prepared and planned well, you can stay indoors for quite some time and enjoy a high quality of life. You can continue to sleep in your bed, have a bathroom down the hall, and even keep up with current events and what’s happening in your neighborhood.

The act of bugging out brings on its own set of potentially dangerous problems that you will have to deal with and suffer through “on the fly.” In all of my Internet travels, I have yet to see a bug out bag that was stocked and equipped as well my home. Bug out bags usually provide basic survival-type equipment and rations for up to 7 days.

The prospect that my situation would become that much more precarious after my rations ran out is none too appealing. Can I really depend upon hunting, fishing, and berry scavenging?

Land Mines

You are much safer in your own home in most situations. With adequate planning and supplies, you can hunker down and survive through chemical and even biological gas clouds. You can still call the police who might be able to assist you. You and your neighbors might band together to improve your collective security. Think long and hard before you engage in bugging out.

On your way to your pre-determined bug out destination, you need to avoid being ambushed, injured, robbed, or worse. You will not know who is friend or foe, and you must remain as inconspicuous and “normal” as possible.

I think it is unwise to assume you can and will homestead in the forest, hunting and fishing like Daniel Boone until “someone” gives an “all clear” and you can return home. You will not be the only person in the forest, and any food that is available will quickly be hunted or scared away. Your forest will soon be overrun with survivalist who claim hunting territories, and battles will ensue. Gangs will form and if you’re a loner, you will not survive.

Under such conditions, it would be nearly impossible for you to rest or sleep. You’d have to be on your guard 24/7. You couldn’t leave your camp to hunt or fish for fear of coming back to nothing, or a pack of squatters who have taken over your camp and everything you depend upon.

If you knew or sensed that others were in your forest, having a camp fire would be a bad idea because it would give away your location. How would you stay warm, or cook your kill? What if someone off in the distance sees smoke and calls 911 to report a forest fire? What about the winter cold or the summer mosquitos?

What would you do? Remember, you took only your bug out bag which did not have a sleeping bag or multi-season clothing. Sure, you have your big bowie-knife, your .22 rifle, and your length of para cord, but what about those other hundred items you need now that are back home?

Remote Hideaway

If you are one of the fortunate individuals who has some land in a remote location that you have already set up to be your bugged out location, great! The difficult task for you is to know when to bug out and before the crisis or disaster occurs. Timing will be critical. Bugging out after the crisis only increases your chances that you’ll be stuck in gridlock traffic, apprehended, robbed, or again, even worse.

Predicting when and where a disaster or crisis will occur is anyone’s guess. If you guess wrong, then you would have bugged out for nothing, and increased your chances of coming home to a looted and ransacked house.

Abort! Abort!

If you decide to return home, your immediate task would be to navigate your way through or around newly formed gangs and other non-friendlies you might encounter. If you bugged out with your get home bag, it is safe to say that any food you had in your get home bag would have already been eaten a long time ago.

You might arrive home only to find that your house has been looted, and all the food, gear, weapons, and supplies you didn’t take with you when you bugged out are gone. Your windows are broken, your electronics have disappeared, and you quickly discover thieves stole all the copper wires and pipes in your house, along with your refrigerator.

We all know that thieves are not a considerate lot. Since they took your copper pipes and left the water turned on, your house is now flooded, and your water bill is over $1,000. To add insult to injury, every thread of clothing, shoes, tools, and anything of any value that you had is now gone. Was it bugging out or going home that was the wrong decision?

Conclusion

I am unable to convince myself that I, after being so dependent upon grocery stores, utilities on demand, and sound shelter for decades, could just set up camp in the forest for an unknown length of time with only a bug out bag. You know, I am not the MacGyver type.

What do you think is “bugging out” a better plan than “bugging in”?

Comments

  1. I reserve “bugging out” as a last ditch, emergency situation. A time when it is not tenable to be able to remain at home.

    I remote location with shelter and supplies sounds like the idea solution to bug-out to, but IMO it needs to be manned by someone living there.

    If we were to have a disaster, I can “survive” away from my home for 30-60 days, depending upon the amount of time I have to prepare for it. These items would be for things like a forest fire where we have to move because it is too dangerous to stay in town. Earthquakes might require I “camp” at my home, because the facility is damaged and unlivable.

    I know that having to live out of a backpack or my truck alone would be a sever challenge. Life would be okay for a week or so, after that it gets to be a real challenge. And I would not want to do it alone.

  2. mom of three says:

    I believe it would be better to bug in and know your neighbors. But if you have a second place, to go to depending on how far you are from it you would need to keep on the know of what is going on. I don’t think there is an easy answer because we won’t know until an emergency, happens. I think it’s best to keep your vehicle, in good condition, and have water, some food, some kind of shelter,
    some changes of clothes, in your vehicle. If you have a
    second property, same thing have food , water, tool’s, ready
    to use if you leave keep a running list to mark off when you
    get thing’s for your bug out place.

  3. You raise good issues, Michael. Thanks.

    As with you, I think that in most situations bugging out is the very last, worst option. Barring something like a wildfire, sheltering in place beats bugging out nearly every time.

    I think a lot of the options we choose to plan for will be determined by first thinking about which are the likeliest scenarios for us in our current situations, and which are the less likely but so serious that we want to be prepared for them, too. Fortunately, prepping is to some extent generic, so being well prepared for one scenario goes a long way to being prepared for others.

    As an example, we made sure we had the ability to store water and filter neighbors’ swimming pool water, because our major issue was hurricanes, which give a couple days notice. Then we realized that earthquakes were a possibility, so we needed to have water already stored because earthquakes give no notice. All we had to do was add a barrel of water and some 5 gallon water fountain jugs to our hurricane supplies.

    A terrible situation here (Honolulu) might require bugging out to the Mainland or possibly “any flight out of here, no matter where to.” I think the latter is exceptionally unlikely, but making it an option requires only adding a valid passport to our Mainland bugout preps.

    Maintaining the Mainland option requires having plenty of credit available on the credit card for tickets -First Class if only that is available and we REALLY need to get out NOW, state issued photo ID, cash, money in a Mainland bank -or at least one with Mainland branches- and just in case, the passports.

    We travel internationally only about once in 5 years, but we make sure that our passports are always valid. A few months before they expire we get new ones. It’s a cheap way of maintaining our options.

    Same thing with precious metals: We have some, and if we had to flee internationally it would be nice to arrive with some real money which was not dependent on the US banking system being intact. In fact, in a situation in which the US banking system was down even temporarily, another country might not allow US citizens to enter the country without proof we could support ourselves for some time.

    I actually ran into that one, when back in the 1970s I arrived in Heathrow Airport Customs in London rather, shall we say, casually dressed, with only a small backpack for luggage, and no hotel reservation. I had to show the customs official a big wad of travelers checks to be allowed in, and even then got a visit restricted to 30 days. In a major crisis with questionable access to one’s US bank accounts, some gold might better serve the same purpose.

  4. I’m so glad these well thought articles are starting to be seen more often. Bugging out is a euphemism for becoming a refugee.

    Yes it is better to have a 96 hour kit than nothing if a disaster hits but to plan to go up in the hills to survive an apocalypse is not a workable option for most. Roads will be blockaded so forget about bringing your expensive awesome bugout ride very far. Having training in evasion and man tracking would be helpful.

    Survival shows are almost all fake. Les Stroud is the exception and look how tough one week is on him with depleted supplies. And he’s an expert!

    Much better plan is to live in a good community far enough away from metro areas. Be a great neighbor and get involved in neighborhood watch programs and go from there. Talk to like minded people. Live in a red state that is pro second amendment. Ask the what-if questions to gauge their stance.

    If you absolutely have to bug out, have somewhere to bug out to! Family or relations would be best.

    But don’t put so much emphasis money or training on bugging out. Put most on the home and preps and security where you have the greatest chance to survive.

  5. Chuck Findlay says:

    Bugging-out is always done in just about every movie, TV show and prepper porn fiction book. It works out great when you have a writer or screen writer deciding the outcome. But in real life it takes a LOT of planning (and money) to make it work out.

    I like the idea of gold to talk a border guard into allowing passage in times of trouble in places where boarders are found. I don’t see this working on a rural road when you cross some town border as they would likely just take everything you have.

    Here in my location (Toledo Ohio area) it’s easy to drive away from a problem. I have a motor-home and could do so. But I’m not sure where I would go as I have no bug-out location to go to. I have the motor-home stocked up (as I camp with it) and it has a spare 40-gal fuel tank I installed (That was a fun job fitting it in the tight space!) so it has a good range.

    With divorce at 50% (and going up more all the time) these days and many people not getting married at all it really cuts down on family dependence as the family structure has been destroyed since the 1960’s (the rise of feminism, no-fault divorce and fathers being replaced by government caused this.) and people live a fractured life these days.

    Civil unrest is the only concern I can think of to require a bug-out, but I live in a suburb away from where a riot would break out. But a real break-down could easily have it spreading out. I plan on moving out 25 or 30 miles, but not till after my parents die as there is no one else that will step up to take care of them.

    I think 25-miles out would be a good buffer as long as I don’t move to a house on a main road that will see lots of traffic.

    There is a refinery close to me and I suppose it could blow up, but it has done that in the past and no one needed to run away. In 1978 or 1979 a pump house blew up and rattled the windows a bit, but no bug-out was needed.

    I wish I had family that had a place to go to, but I don’t. And you can’t have some shack to move to and expect it to not be ransacked as empty houses get broken into all the time.

    As said above bugging out is likely to make you a refugee.

  6. Patriot Farmer says:

    Great article! Bugging in has been my plan all along.

    • Axelsteve says:

      We almost had to bug out last year from the wild fires that we had in out area. We kept the truck ready to go . Since we have 3 dogs we also stocked food for them.

      • Axelsteve:

        Fire is a real danger around here. East of us is a “access restricted” area where they have not allowed it to be logged or thinned since I’ve been here and it’s full of beetle-kill. When it goes it will be spectacular and long.

  7. Great artice and great comments! From a lot of what I read on other sites, I largely find that people are shooting off what they’ll do if SHTF from the ego of their imaginations. Most commentors here are showing a very grounded, realistic sense of how hard it really would be to leave your world and belongings behind.

    One thing that I very rarely see people ever talk about (I can literally count the times on one hand), is the responsibility to be physically fit. If a worst case scenario happened and you and your family were forced to “bug out,” how far could you realistically get with your supplies before you need to take a rest? What kind of terrain are you going up against? Is it summer in the desert, or winter in the high country? Yourself + a BOB + any last minute add ons = a whole lot of weight. Not to mention if you have members of your group that are going to physically need your assistance.

    Recognizing our short falls now gives us a chance to improve our situations for later. Go for walks/hikes carrying a bag of similar weight to emulate what you’ll be up against. Best wishes.

  8. Chuck F, has got a good grip on reality. Never make yourself a refugee. I can not emphasize that enough. I’m lucky to have a sound livable structure on my farm, 15 miles from my primary residence. Where I spend a great deal of time. And I live in a small town. But, I have older neighbors, it would be hard to leave them exposed. As an Oathkeeper, I believe in being stocked for my family. And keeping an extra 10% for my neighbors and friends. It’s just the way I do things. Bugging out, with a basic needs pack and weaponry, is only for ” inch “, situations, (I’m never coming home). History has repeatedly shown us the plight of refugees, is always traumatic, devastating culturally, and leads to hopeless conditions for those involved. I frankly believe, if we are Americans, patriots if you will, we stick. We cannot ” bug out ” at the first sign of trouble, we lose our identity as citizens, and we weaken those with the fortitude to stick it out. One thing I would add, save money on survivalist gadgetry, and improve your knowledge. Learn to build sustainable lives. I would recommend leaving the inner cities if at all possible. My last thought, at 35 I spent 7 days alone, elk hunting on the eastern slope of the Rockies. I did fill my game ticket, I did survive. But it was the most eye opening experience of my life. Bugging out to the unknown, is for the naive, and unenlightened.

    Yours in liberty, rokflyer

  9. Concerning my previous post. I do understand the need to leave home in the event of fires, floods and earthquake. My post was concerning the SHTF, we speak of, with much apprehension. Also I would say to travellers, as to the folks in Hawaii. If martail law is declared. You will not go through airport customs or security, with gold. It will be confiscated. The same if you are caught out stateside, with gold, silver, ammo or weaponry. Ain’t fair, ain’t right, but it is so. Check history, check present law, concerning this topic.

    Hope you find this information helpful

    • Absolutely correct.

    • Hi rokflyer, “If martail law is declared. You will not go through airport customs or security, with gold.”

      You may well be right in any given situation. However, I cannot know the future. I will be among the last to claim that I am so prescient as to know it for a fact. That is one of the reasons we spread out our investments, and our preps.

      Throughout history people who were fleeing disaster have put some of their wealth into gold, and we all know that many of those people were murdered and had their wealth stolen either by independent criminals or government criminals. Nonetheless, many of those refuges got through with much or all of their wealth intact.

      Many years ago I met a South African woman who told me that her grandparents, Russian Jews, had fled the Russian Revolution. They sold everything they had, bought as much gold as they could, sewed it into their belts, and fled the revolution. They arrived in South Africa with enough gold to start a new life.

      The same with the Vietnamese boat people. Many of them put everything they could into gold and fled the communist takeover. Were many robbed and murdered? Of course, because gold is a tempting target for armed robbers. Nonetheless, many others succeeded.

      My take away: Fleeing the country is an absolute last ditch desperation decision: There is a high probability of failure and even of death. Nonetheless, myriad people have made that desperate decision, survived, and even prospered.

      We prefer to maintain options. Owning some gold is a reasonable way to spread out one’s assets during decent times, and has the advantage of helping provide the option to flee in such terrible times that one is willing to run the serious risks.

      If things are already so bad that one chooses to flee, it it very late for buying gold. Whatever conditions drive one to such desperation will almost certainly have driven the price of gold through the stratosphere. Better to buy in relatively benign times than to wait for catastrophe.

      In any case, we each live in our own circumstances, and have to make our decisions as best we can based on those circumstances.

      Just as I expect that our house will never burn down, but have fire insurance anyway, I expect to never have to flee the country, but have wealth insurance anyway.

      Other people, different circumstances, different decisions. We prefer to create and maintain as many options as possible. We don’t have to exercise those options. Having them, though, helps create peace of mind, and that in itself is worth something.

      • Chuck Findlay says:

        (Hi rokflyer, “If martail law is declared. You will not go through airport customs or security, with gold.”)

        Gold may be taken away, or may not be taken away.

        If there is a volcano going off, earthquake just happened, civil unrest erupting. I could see pure confusion at the airport and the TSA not looking real hard for things as they will be overwhelmed with people. In this situation a gold coin on a (gold) chain around your neck could be overlooked and if there is a bottleneck it could lubricate your departure time to much shorter then otherwise may have been.

        Border guards have been bribed for 5,000-years, I don’t see that changing any time soon. I see it as a good option to be ready to take advantage of this part of human nature. It’s not a right or wrong issue, it just is what it is.

        It’s better to have a gold coin (a few of them even) then to not have them. It gives you options for different events.

        • I agree with your logic as it pertains to past history. But I will tell you this. Remember, my post dealt with do or die shtf leaving. I myself would apply the same logic, pertaining to gold, silver, ect. But stealth would be key. To be blunt. You better have it out of site, and out of any conversation.
          I really would advise anyone to read up on some of the newer requirements, concerning martial law. It is a different world. If our country gets to that point, it will be like nothing history has ever seen. Again, I say. Improve your knowledge. Chuck, bribing a guard with a token is a good move in fiction. In the real world, you will go to jail, or he will take all you have, and then you will go to jail. Asset Forfeiture, will become very real, very quick. It is already law.

  10. Rich in Pa says:

    This is a terrific article and as stated by most people here “bugging in” is preferred unless you have a guarded retreat.

    The defensive actions taken during any disaster to prevent looting or worse, requires great consideration. Unless it is a total long term societal collapse you can’t have bodies stacked up in your front yard. In my state there has to be a home invasion before you can justify deadly force. The Katrina hurricane is a good example where 6 months after the event some people went to prison for excessive force used.

    • Hi Rich, “The Katrina hurricane is a good example where 6 months after the event some people went to prison for excessive force used.”

      I think a lot of us tend to gloss over that return to sanity/rule of law part.

      The chances of society falling apart to a WROL situation are extremely small at the national level. The chances of such a situation never returning to ROL are even smaller. As you say, New Orleans went WROL for a few days or weeks, but the law returned and people were held accountable for their actions.

      Anyone who thinks they will get away with gunning people down for simple trespass in a major disaster will almost certainly eventually find themselves in prison. One of the things I like about this site is that the people who comment here get that.

      • Rich in Pa says:

        The article’s most important point is to identify a trigger event where the ROL no longer exists. If indeed it is the looting and destruction of your nearest neighbor’s house then that is definitive. I think if we have “Teotwawki” event that is not catastrophic at the onset but a slow erosion of goods and services it will be very difficult to identify when to employ extreme defensive measures.

  11. Except in a case of fire coming through my area the idea of bugging out is not on my agenda . A fire would cause a short term problem and a couple of years ago I had both Jeeps loaded and ready to go as a large wildfire came within 1/4 mile of my place. In a WROL or TEOTWAWKI situation I would be in my home and deal with what comes as it does. If this means to fight and die then that’s how it will go. At my age trying to run off to the woods is just a longer death sentence as it will be for the large majority of others that try it. I live in one of the areas that people will run to and I promise you the locals WILL NOT welcome or tolerate you coming into their area and trying to hunt or fish what they consider theirs. Also trying to live a subsistence living in the wild unless you do it everyday is not going to happen. Hiking and traveling in the mountains while hunting for food will require aprox 4000 calories a day and you aren’t going to collect enough berries and bugs to get that. For the ones thinking they will hunt you need to consider how you will save the meat you might find and the fact that wild game is so lean you will still starve just trying to live off of it. This doesn’t even include finding water,living with the weather ect. IMHO you are always better off bugging in than bugging out.

    • Axelsteve says:

      We live in a doublewide m.h. There is a huge pine tree about 10 feet from it. IF A EMBER LANDS ON THE TREE IT WILL GO UP FASTER THEN THE PRICE OF GAS. Then our m.h. will go up at the same speed. Sometimes being in the vicinity is good enough reason to go. The tree is owned by the city so I can`t do much about it.

      • Chuck Findlay says:

        (The tree is owned by the city so I can`t do much about it.)

        Playing by the rules the tree may be there forever, but if it were to die my guess is they would take it down.

        Figure out how to kill it and then in a year complain to the city that you have a dead tree.

      • I have the same situation except my place is surrounded with pines and ceders. The King fire started 1/4 mile from me. Lucky it went north and east or it would have ran right over me. As an aside they just gave the idiot that started it 20 years.

    • Patriot Dave says:

      Do you know how to “girdle” a tree? that will do the trick.

  12. Penrod, Man can not live on rice and toilet paper for long which used to be the first items to disappear from the grocery shelves. Gasoline goes pretty quick too, which would limit movement from the leeward side. But if you live on the windward side of Oahu and are close to the mountains then you have a great source of food and water. I lived there for 40 years and could get around with a very light kit. Water filtration with iodine is a necessity due to leptospirosis in the stream waters. Fortunately, with a windward population of about 60,000 and less than 2% of them hunters this area would make foraging and hunting much less contentious. Its’ likely most people would be out trying to shoreline fish, lots of luck with that. Leeward, West, and Central Oahu would be more problematic since there are ten times the population there.

    • Chuck Findlay says:

      May be too expensive to do, but a sailboat could give you a way off the island. Not that you have to sail 2,000 miles to the main land. You could sail to another island that is not in the volcano’s path.

      One major problem is to figure out how to keep someone from taking your boat to save themselves leaving you in a world of trouble.

      • Back in the early 1980s I was invited to attend a meeting of a group of survivalists who intended to do exactly that: Steal a big sailboat- say 80 feet or so- and sail away.

        The major concern at the time was all out nuclear war with the Soviet Union.

        Once I realized that their plans were based on felony theft, and likely injuring or killing someone to do that, I decided that one meeting was enough.

        I never bothered asking what their plan was if, after stealing the boat, and likely assaulting someone in the process, the expected war did not happen.

        These were exactly the kind of people we need to beware of: Heavily armed, planning ahead on robbery and if need be, murder of people who are better prepared.

        Scary, scary, people.

    • Hi Whodaguy, well, as luck has it, we overlook Pearl Harbor. It’s quite dry here most of the year, heavily settled, as you know, and not a good spot for farming or foraging.

      A direct strike from a hurricane would wipe the ridges and probably the valleys clean, a major earthquake would knock out the water system, and a nuclear bomb over Pearl Harbor would likely toast us. A nuclear attack on Downtown might leave us standing for a while, but really, with hundreds of thousands of people looking for water and shelter from fallout, I think you are right: this side would not be in decent shape.

      I think on the Windward side the pig hunters would have the edge over most people: They know the hunting/foraging areas and have both skills and dogs. Few of them or not, it would take only one to object to competition to set their dogs on interlopers, and that would be a bad situation.

      The utter incompetence of the government at every level, and the dedication of the voters to re-electing the incompetents, gives me complete confidence that any governmental response to a long term calamity would turn a calamity into Armageddon.

      Better to do everything possible to escape, and, of course, better before the fact than after. I plan to be out of here in 5 years or less, but can’t really hope for much less.

  13. I hope I don’t have to bug out. But if I do I have a cache buried on BLM land that is not easily accessible and has no roads. It adjoins the ranch of a friend of mine who has allowed me to hunt there and in turn I have helped him from time to time. The access is easiest through his property so I was able to bring in food, a tent and other gear which is buried back in the woods. There is game and other resources there and it is survivable in the winter in a tent. Still, not ideal, but in a worst case scenario it would be better than roaming the streets with scant supplies on my back.

  14. I have given this a lot of thought and came up with the following for “bugging in.”

    If you live in a two story home, board up the bottom floor and enter/exit through the upper floor by use of a ladder. It will be more secure

    Stop mowing your lawn. Cut grass means you have means, and gasoline. Blackout your house at night. Face it. Electricty will be gone in less than a week and so will all of your other utilities. Water will last till your municipal water supply tower runs dry. Drill a well now or cozy up to a neighbor that does. Make sure you have a way of pumping it out. You’ll still be able to use your toilet for a while but have a plan to construct an outhouse. Mail will stop after the first day and police/fire/ems will disappear the first week.

    I already live in a remote location but I have a bug out location 100 miles away that I can get to by driving country roads at night. Only have to cross one interstate highway. Pick a dead end road to the interstate, cut the wire and cross there
    Major crossings will most certainly be manned by God knows what.

    I think bugging in is your best option so long as you don’t live in a metro area. Otherwise, get the hell out early.

  15. Very thoughtful article and comments. I always learn so much from ‘the pack”.

    I have already lived through several big earthquakes, fires that encircled our valley, wind storms, riots in LA and closer, but non spilled over to my area, and a personal economic downturn. Maybe I’m being naieve, but I feel much stronger and safer in my own home. It’s the place I can (and have) hold up for days and weeks and months. Bugging out, for me, would be tantamount to moving my entire home and something I don’t think is feasible for a single person. I also can’t afford to have an entire duplicate set-up in a remote location.

    If things got really, really bad I could go to my brother’s mountain home, but I’d still need to move a great deal of stuff, by myself. Plus the development there isn’t much unlike it is here.

    My plan is still to: Plan for the worst (as best I can), hope for the best and pray for the times in between. It’s all in God’s hands anyway.

  16. up_hill_travels says:

    Wow. Whatta humorous bunch of responses. Love it!

    Whodaguy: If ya don’t like Oahu….I never did….head north-west. As in Ni’ihau. Puuwai is not that bad! In fact, there are a number of places where even Hoale are excepted. LMAO

    To those that aren’t in the Hawai’i area…..well, you need to ascertain just WTF is going on BEFORE you bail. As one non-middle-class person said: Those expected to be thieves probably won’t have the IQ to figure out where the stuff they want is. As in: The thieves don’t know where the stuff they want is unless you shoe them. (There is a point here. i.e., The thieves are really as stupid as you think!) If you don’t advertise…..they won’t know! If the houses in your area are being burned, grab your butt and get out. If not….stay put. Just keep your eyes open and your ears pointed towards the horizon.

    Personally…..the better thing to do BEFORE the SHTF…..get a trailer. Not a huge one. But big enough to hold all the stuff you need to get yourself going in the ‘next life’…..if need be. I have an 8 x 14 ft trailer……plus 24 ft. traveler-ish type trailer. Working on how to haul both at the same time. Can exist with either….so far not both.

    Have more than ONE option. Look for more than one place to go. More than one way to get there. More than one thing to help get you there. If you back yourself into a corner….that’s YOUR problem. COVER YOUR BUTT!!!! CYB!!!! Don’t believe anything the useless government tells you!!!! Do what you need to keep you and yours alive. I have a place…..I have a way to get there….(not telling anybody where!!!!!)….and I/we have a way to protect me and mine. If you get in my way……well, think about it. I won’t be the one that doesn’t make it. Those with me have been instructed on the methodology on how to accomplish this.

    Those that have indicated that they have their act together….here and other places….can/will be appreciative of my efforts, and theirs, will see the positive direction we/they are headed. I appreciate their efforts. I appreciate their abilities. We, and they, will survive. We, and they, will not be in any other peoples face in an effort to take what they have. We will have what we need. Just don’t try to take out stuff. It won’t work.

    • Chuck Findlay says:

      (Personally…..the better thing to do BEFORE the SHTF…..get a trailer. Not a huge one. But big enough to hold all the stuff you need to get yourself going in the ‘next life’…..if need be. I have an 8 x 14 ft trailer……plus 24 ft. traveler-ish type trailer. Working on how to haul both at the same time. Can exist with either….so far not both.)

      Get rid of the 24 ft. traveler-ish type trailer, trade it in for a motor home (as you can drive it without a truck to pull it) Put a quality hitch on the motor home and you can pull the trailer. This way you can move both of them down the road with one engine, the one in the motor home.

      Problem solved…

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