This comment was posted by an anonymous user – I thought he made some interesting points that needed further discussion, so I decided to post it here – with my comments.
Those of you who think there is safety living rural better think it through.
Sitting out there in a trailer wearing a camo wife beater with your arsenal; Rambo illusions are sitting ducks. IF the shit hit the fan and you are there in your own little isolated post and some group decided to take whatever you have, you are SCREWED, pure and simple.
You have no back up or way to create a position of advantage. You will be on your CB or radio or cell begging (crying) for any trained personnel to come to your rescue and they won’t – they will all have their hands full in the city.
Besides, what are you really going to be able to do, unload a few clips trying to scare them off? Do you think you are going to whip out your M4, point it in their direction and they will go running back to mama? Get a grip on reality.
You untrained fools will be scared shitless – believe me, I’ve seen it. Talking tough; practicing shooting at unarmed cardboard targets does nothing in preparation when you are truly under attack.
As for me I live in urban squaller in San Diego and will not trade it. I have many retired Marine buddies within 10 minutes of each other. We will simply band together, cordon off the area we want and live & good luck to those who dare to invade our supplies. There is only safety; advantage with likeminded numbers.
Although it sounds romantic to be a Jeremiah Johnson, but the worst thing you can do is separate from the rest – it’s a recipe for disaster.
He said:
“Sitting out there in a trailer wearing a camo wife beater with your arsenal & Rambo illusions are sitting ducks. IF the shit hit the fan and you are there in your own little isolated post and some group decided to take whatever you have, you are SCREWED, pure and simple.”
Any group would have to make their way through miles of heavily armed hillbilly’s before getting to me. Anyway; I have many friends and a large family living in and around my area. And who said I would be alone?
He said:
“You have no back up or way to create a position of advantage. You will be on your CB or radio or cell begging (crying) for any trained personnel to come to your rescue and they won’t – they will all have their hands full in the city.”
If you think things are going to be that bad in the city why would you want to be there? By your own admission, would it not make more sense to get out of the city?
He said:
“Besides, what are you really going to be able to do, unload a few clips trying to scare them off? Do you think you are going to whip out your M4, point it in their direction and they will go running back to mama? Get a grip on reality.”
Don’t have a M4, but I do have a great defensive position and escape plan if needed. As for pointing in their direction and and unloading a few “clips” the M4, as do most auto-loading firearms uses magazines not clips. The M1 Garand for example uses a clip. Being a highly trained military man you should have known that.
Clip: A device for holding cartridges together, usually to facilitate loading. Widely used as a synonym for “magazine” (although most firearm authorities consider this substandard usage). Technically, a magazine has a feeding spring, a clip does not.
He said:
You untrained fools will be scared shitless – believe me, I’ve seen it. Talking tough; practicing shooting at unarmed cardboard targets does nothing in preparation when you are truly under attack.
What do you suggest / train on? Live human targets? What type target does the military use? Mental conditioning and the desire to survive a confrontation are more important than the type of target you use in training. You must be willing to squeeze the trigger to protect yourself and your loved ones.
He said:
“As for me I live in urban squaller in San Diego and will not trade it. I have many retired Marine buddies within 10 minutes of each other. We will simply band together, cordon off the area we want and live; good luck to those who dare to invade our supplies. There is only safety; advantage with likeminded numbers.”
What was that about Rambo illusions? Survival isn’t all about guns and jumping from one firefight into another. How long before active military and police units descend upon your cordoned off area removing you and your group by force?
He said:
Although it sounds romantic to be a Jeremiah Johnson, but the worst thing you can do is separate from the rest – it’s a recipe for disaster.
That depends upon who or what you’re separating from. A lot of people aren’t worth banding together with. Anyway; I don’t think many of us here plan on playing Jeremiah Johnson in the boondocks.
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Hunkering down in the city doing what he says is the first step to becoming raiders when their supplies run low
"We will simply band together, cordon off the area we want and live; good luck to those who dare to invade our supplies."
But for the grace of God go a pack of thieving raiders. what of the innocents in the cordoned area will you throw them out and confiscate their supplies, or will you let them live within your protection but for a price- working the farms and such…but oh wait you are in urban squalor of San Diego. Not too many working farms around there. Just curious on your plans to deal with the people caught behind your lines.
I have to agree with your 100's (or was it 1000's) hillbilly comment. The further you are removed the more likely any looters will run afoul of a bullet before they reach you. Plus the more time you have to hear about and bug out from any large formed mob of looters.
I do like his idea of banding together, but that is the only thing i'll take from that waste of time. I would think defending a limited access area would be much easier than a city block or more. Think about it before you bump your gums Jarhead!!!
When the SHTF, I plan on laying low. Don't want to draw unwanted attention by having a mini-force of "marine buddies" to own a block of real estate. That's just asking for government forces to come in and make an example of you.
I plan on having family some very close friends and a quiet place that doesn't draw attention. It looks like the poster (poser) has the Rambo complex.
I am a Marine trained in Intelligence/counter intelligence, or black intelligence as it is called. I was attached to MACV/SOG and performed more shit that the idiot who posted that post has smelled. If he is Marine, he must have been one of the stupid ones, and believe me, there were surely some stupid ones. M.D. you are correct about the rooting out anyone who bands together in an armed compound in an urban enviroment. The government is going to consider them armed and dangerous and it will be just a matter of time before they dispose of that problem. I have worked for the government in situations that could not be told, explained, or believed. I do not trust the government as far as I can piss on them. I have seen what they can and will do. I will take my chances alone. I have trained for that. When individuals think they can pick off the loners and find they will have a single well placed bullet trveling through a few of their friends brains, they might decide that they would rather go back to the city and pick off the idiots who believe their government will protect them. There are too many targets of opportunity in the city for thugs to pass up. If this idiot that posted those comments was a Marine, then he should know the power of a well motivated squad size unit. A person must be prepared. A person must be willing to survive at all cost. A person must be willing to take devistation to his advisaries without quarter. One shot, one kill will make even the most experienced and well trained person take heed. A person does not need to empty a magazine. When I was in Nam, if we selected full auto without permission, it was your ass, if you had an ass after the fire fight. A person can crry only so much ammo. It does not last like it does in the movies. I carried a M40, so I did not have that problem. Sorry, I must post anonymous for personal reasons
LOL, this guy sounds like a Cop. Over-inflated sense of worth and ability. No knock on the few good LEO's out there…OathKeepers.
I really think this was more of a troll than anything else. From his writing, I'd say he was a wannabe Marine.
A real Marine would know you never underestimate a force of "untrained fools". Just look at how the "untrained fools" in Marjah Afghanistan are fairing against a modern military force.
It was these same type of "Untrained Fools" who did really well against a modern military force in Southeast Asia in the 60's and 70's.
Of course, a real Marine would have known that and not let his a$$ overload his mouth (or typing hand…lol)
give the bastards everything you've got and run like hell to avoid a shoot out. if you're smart. they will still only have a small portion of your supplies because you did not put all your eggs in one basket…. right??
There are the type out there that he describes but let him and his merry band attempt an assault on my retreat!
There are apples and there are oranges.
Good luck to him in the city…
Sadly, some people just don't get it, and they never get past the whole AR-15, beans and bullets fixation.
San Diego strikes me as maybe just slightly more sustainable in a disaster than LA. While there is wisdom in hunkering down where you are most comfortable as opposed to becoming a refugee somewhere, turning a city block into one's own personal compound sounds like a good way to get some guys with IFVs and fire support interested in you.
I know for a fact that just in the San Diego area of Chula Vista there is heavily armed 400 member Mexican gang. I am sure his "10 ex-Marine friends" will not stand a chance against them, let alone the hundreds of other maruaders that will take everything they need while killing and raping as they go.
This individual Marine(?)should think before he open his pie hole. I for one cannnot wait to get out to a rural area – just to enjoy a better, more self-sufficient lifestyle. My OPSEC calls for making friends in the area while all-the-while continuing my prepping and training. My shooting skills will be improve shooting wild game – as well as paper targets – until some wild-eyed, starving, crying and ill-prepared ex-Marine with 9 less of his friends comes into my defense zone looking to do me or my family harm. Then it will be an ex-Marine / now a common marauder that I will be training my iron sights on. OOOO-RAH!
That guy is just talking out of his ass. He is a disgrace to any real Marine.
First of all I want a couple of those camouflage wife beaters. Secondly that was kind of a funny comment. Third I would definitely not call the Mujaheddin untrained.
I think you're both right, it just depends on what the problem is.
Being in the middle of a million hungry people could not be a good thing, even with your buddies not far away. Out in the middle of nowhere when the hordes or raiders or just hungry neighbors come looking for you is not going to be a good thing.
During the really bad days hide out and wait for the badtimes-bloodlust-plague-or whatever to run it's course. Then come out and start to survive.
The cardnial mistake of any commander is to underestimate the capabilities of his enemy/opposition.
There is a reason there are no 45 year old privates in the Corp or the Army, their too damn old!
It's nice to remember the times when we were young and in the service, but we've gotten a little older, stopped using our muscles and started using our heads ( well, some of us anyway).
His post was the typical "Rambo" mind set, "f" the world, I got mine.
Regardless of the training we recieved while in the service, times change, things are forgotten, and younger men with weapons and up to date and constant training stand ready to stomp our butts should we take the " I'm build'in my own kingdom here" mentality.
As MD and I have discussed before, there WILL be a government after any collapse, what it will look like is anyones guess but don't be fooled, the will want answers for Anything you did or didn't do.
I did like his post. very interesting to see how NOT to go about survival prep.
Thanks all for allowing me to rant.
Jerry
Anon 11:17 said,
"I am a Marine trained in Intelligence/counter intelligence, or black intelligence as it is called."
I don't know if you are a marine or not, but anyone actually trained in counterintelligence (CI) would know the difference between that and "black intelligence," which is espionage, or the exact opposite of CI, which is to counter hostile intel services. Those actually trained in CI also spell it correctly – 'counteringelligence' – one word, no space of hyphen. I say this as someone who's been through the Army's CI officer course (35E) at Ft. Huachuca and been in the intel community for years.
roflmao…what is he thinking?? I'd rather be "banding together" with a bunch of hillbillies in an area where i can grow my own food and the population is 1000 than banding together where there is no chance of growing my own food and the population is 1 million.
Each to his own, and many prefer cities. The raiding and hiding places might be more, but so are the people. One point was that being all alone is not good. But who said the country guy would be alone?
well said MD
Great posting MD. I sense alot of envy and inferiority coming from this person. IF this guy wants to stay in the city with his 10 buddies please have at it. I think his numbers will be greatly reduced before he has a chance to break out of the city especially with his overrated opinion of himself. Most of us will laying low, helping those we can and keeping these self proclaimed "tough guys" in thier place.
Actually I'm going to split the difference and hole up in my small town with neighbors that will support each other…I found the "Marines" post entertaining and informative, hey, let's face it, most of are going to BUG-IN and need to plan accordingly.
Rimrock in Southern UT
THAT GUY BETTER THINK ABOUT THE THOUSANDS OF LATINOS THAT WOULD COME OVER THE BORDER WHEN THERE IS NO BORDER GUARD TO PROTECT THE CITY OF SAN DEIGO.IF HE HAS ANY COMMON SENSE HE SHOULD LEAVE NOW.FOR ALL THE MARINES WHO SERVED OR ARE NOW SERVING THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL.FROM JAY IN NC
A "Marine" who refers to "clips" instead of magazines . . . hhm. I think he might be a troll, as someone else mentioned.
Yes, a lot of his comments are poorly thought out, but he does have a point about the perils of isolation. Both Ferfal of "Surviving in Argentina" blog, and Joel Skousen who has written a comprehensive book on picking out retreats and securing them, have written extensively on those dangers. For example, in Argentina, people on farms had plenty of food, but because of their isolation they fell victim to roving bands of thugs who poisoned the dogs. The thugs did not stop at robbing their victims: they raped and tortured them for days because there was no one else around to hear the screams, then murdered them.
So, if you think that being in the boonies makes you safe, it doesn't. It definitely makes you safer in many ways, but leaves you open to other problems that you have to prepare for. From MD's previous posts, it sounds to be like he's well aware of that.
I believe the Marine and MD are both correct with their plans.
It just all depends on the situation…and either one of them could flourish or be screwed if the situation suddenly changes.
This is a high schooler trying to get a rise out of us, don't bother.
As Crocodile Dundee put it" I need to be somewhere I can see them coming". That's what living out of the city is all about. It gives us the advantage of surprise or the time to decide whether to stand or run. By running I mean to somewhere else that is supplied and has an advantage. That is why we prepare ahead of time. We all get comments,good or bad, it's how you handle them.
Seems to have stricken a nerve. Squidbillies quote: “If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, den shoot that lying summa' bitch goose and supa' down!”
You made me laugh. Happy now?
petecolorado
I would rather be in TENN with MD any day that in San Diego, and especially on the day the Shummer hits the fan. However, that being said, there are a lot of us who for one reason or another can't leave the urban areas right away. How will we in the cities handle a collapse? I plan to lock the door, have a drink and a smoke, and load up some weapons. Maybe if I stay quiet they won't find me?
I'm a first time writer & been reading your Blog for a while doing my own research as well but two questions keep nagging at me and thought you could shed some light to clear things up -
1. If the shit is supposed to hit the fan & the evidence is as obvious as you indicate, why do we not see many more mainstream type blogs & websites addressing preparation? Maybe I missed them.
2. How long does it really take to prep if you were to bug out? It has taken me 1 full 8 hour day to set aside all that needs to go & the weekly maintenance items mainly consist of rotating & keeping the gas tanks full along with rotating food stuffs.
Your comments are much appreciated.
And now on to the topic at hand … this lame-brained poster, need I say more? However, he did raise an interesting point about isolation & being put in a position to shoot at someone who is armed & drawing down on you.
I too go to the gun range regularly and am a bit of a marksman with the stationary targets. Also, I shoot trap & skeet, bird hunt which we all know are a fast moving targets. I think the point this potato head (PH) was making was that crossover from targets to a real person who may be armed, attacking you as well is a whole other thing. I would assume that would take some deep training in identifying who is a real threat & not. Pretty dicey position to be in…
KCC's comments regarding isolation I thought was excellent which, I believe was the issue PH was attempting to make. I think you should expand upon that point so some of those readers have a back-up plan.
I took a different look at this post and found that this individual may have attempted to add levity while make greater points. The description of a stereotypical trailer living person wearing a wife beater with a twist of it being camo and the running back to mama was darn pretty funny – I'm still chuckling about it.
And finally the sad posting from Anon 2/21 @11:17 pm wannabe-
Anon from 2/17 @ 5:40 succinctly pointed out 11:17's very stupid mistake. Then for 11:17 to sign off saying "Sorry, I must post anonymous for personal reasons" is really, really corny. He could have created a profile like "Sambo the Black Ops Phony" or "SBOP".
Anyway Creekmore, love it, all good stuff – keep it coming!
Somehow I doubt this guy was really ever a Marine.
He doesn't mention what he plans to eat inside his cordon with his "retired Marine buddies," although I assume he means to start his post-SHTF life as a bandit. When the canned food runs out what is he going to do without seeds? Assuming of course he can make enough holes in the asphalt in the middle of his "urban squalor" (or as he puts it "squaller," which I think is actually a child that cries a lot) to plant anything.
Simple horticulture is really the best of many good reasons to be in country, not in the city, when TSHTF.
And, by the way, all my wife-beaters are black, not camo.
I too intend to split the difference.
I live in a small, rural farm town. We are situated on the top of the highest hill in the county with only one road in or out, several miles from the nearest highway.
Within our town we have like minded people with a good variety of skills, everything from an attorney, to diesel mechanics to a veterinarian. We are blessed with having the vet and 4 emts living right here in town. We also have a tendency to do things "old school" around here. Most of the women in town sew, garden and can and things of the sort as a regular habit, not something they would need to learn when the SHTF. Most everybody, men, women and children hunt and fish on a regular basis and we have a butcher here in town that has taught several others how to cut and preserve meats. We have a couple teachers and several heavy concrete buildings to be used for supply storage. We have our own well and septic lagoon each less than a 1 from the center of town in easily defensible positions. We have room to grow our crops in a low lying mostly hidden area at the east end of town with a nice running creek along one side of the ground.
Most importantly we have communication – with each other – now, before anything happens.
Sure there are residents that think the rest of us are crazy, but we just smile and size up which one's will bug out early and which will be able to suck it up and contribute when the time comes.
All in all, those of us preparing know of the very real possible future. We just hope when the time comes we can utilize the plans we've made and help out our "country" neighbors that will need the support of a community.
I don't know if it's even still in print but, Ragnar Benson's "Urban Survival – A hard times guide to survival in the city" had some (in my opinion) indispensable info on…Ummm…Well…Urban Survival.
I'm gonna have to re-read it but my general takeaway from the book basically amounted to disappearing as completely and as deeply as possible. Therein he documents [essential] primary source info as well as a host of real world details on how people (not theoreticians) have successfully lived in various urban environments under a host of different SHTF situations running the gamut from national crisis to oppressive .gov, gang takeovers, living within revolutionary AO's, urban war zones, and total SHTF anarchy in the time-spaces between aforementioned power grabs.
Anyway I humbly and highly recommended the book for those who are forced -whether through circumstance or choice- to bug-in during hard a$$ times in an urban environment.
NOTE: I hold no affiliation in any way to any associated parties involved in the production of the book. I just thought it an invaluable (and sobering) resource for anyone who is serious regarding their urban bug-in planning. As well there is much to be gained by any preparednes minded person whether their intended AO be urban, suburban, or small town rural.
Bonne chance.
Gentlemen, I have read all your comments and I think ya'll will do nicely, well all except the Rambo guy ! This granny is far from being alone or helpless or without preperation or smarts ! I never put all my eggs in one basket and I always walk softly and carry a big stick. I have a husband and five sons and they all have grown family close by, we all have a way to get in touch in time of need and there is no regular communication. We all have ways of getting to each other unnoticed. I pitty the fool that makes the mistake of misjudging any one of us. We are peace loving and fun loving and I would hate to cause anyone harm. However you come to me with malice in your heart and I will certainly do you some harm to protect my family and myself. If I go down you can be certain I will put a hurt on you first. I have trained my boys and girls well and the boys have all been in the military including my husband and brother . The training has come from Nam and else where. You name it. We are never considering ourselves completely prepared. There is always room for improvement and so we improve. Always know your enemy and some need to learn to keep their mouths shut. I wouldn't be in the city if you gave me all the gold in China !!!!!!!! I believe in training everyone I can so as to lessen the number of my enemies. Trouble is most people won't listen. That is too bad. There will come a day and I may or may not be here when it does but my loved ones certainly know how to survive it !
Lots of good comments, and the best of all good wishes to ya'll. Granny
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What KCC said.
Most recent collapses have been economic ones, where you do need to band together (usually with extended family) to survive.
Yea, yea alright, you got me. I am just a inner city, white street guy. I've got plenty of Marine buddies but was unable to join with them due to a 5 1/2 year extended visit at Tehachapi State Correctional Institution (military was not an option, unfortunately). I did complete my BA in History, that's a bonus – inmate makes good.
Aside from history, I did learn a whole lot about people who have little and even less to lose, those who had horrible childhoods who turned into angry, truly bad-ass MF guys that would do anything to gain any advantage. The key to that survival is you absolutely don't F with them or their friends, don't befriend them and don't act like a pussy either – it's a weird blending in trick, especially for me @ 6' 4" & 230 lb. But did it & survived with minimal injuries. I'm very thankful I wasn't sent up to Soledad.
City survival is a walk in the park even if the shit hit the fan.
My experience is limited to the street and that's where I feel safest. I do not like being isolated where the "gang" mentality has the potential to get to me. I need options & trusted people close by.
Yes, I was trying to be a bit comical writing this poster piece which, is how I find all of this End of the World shit. I won't bother to elaborate why it won't happen because you won't want it to change your mind. You all have too much invested in the associated fear.
What I do believe is, if it happens you'll never know what just hit and you won't be prepared anyway. Like a few have said, I don't trust our government and especially those who advise through blogs (like some of these doughnuts who comment) who, most likely come from very limited real world experience base.
Here is your opportunity MD, tell me all about your experience other than what you have read.
Granny you are 100% right on the money in my opinion whether you live in the city or elsewhere, it universally applies. Some of the blatant "shoot first" gun lovers need to read and heed your words.
I'm afraid whoever this is has a rude awaking coming.
I know there's no way I am going to hang out with people like that. That danged self confidence factor has got to go and as far as being friends with people like that, forget it! From where I sit, they'll be more involved in their own thoughts than on the real scenario. I wonder, when people enter the military, young and ignorant, why would they ever come out so cocky like that? I'd hate to put someone in control with no real forethought nor true skills and the wisdom required to survive. I really appreciate our wise master's (m.d.'s) comment…thank you, thank you, thank you. How refreshing to know who the man really is! :)If I had to make a choice between who I would be around in a survival situation I'd take M.D. in a second, a very quick second.
I sure hope he and his Marine buddies don't show up here. He frightened me…
Poster child,
You'll be on a skewer in less than a week after it hits. Congrats on your BA in History. You have now earned in DA in common sense. Dumb ass!
Anonymous 5:35 PM,
Stop that – you're making me blush.
First Timer:
When you look back at the collapse of the housing market, it is completely obvious now what happened. At the time, though, there were only a few economists sounding the alarm that this is unsustainable. It is the "Black Swan", it has never happened before, so that means it never will happen in the future. I don't know if there will be a TEOTWAWKI scenario, but I do think that it is inevitable that we are headed for a very deep and sustained depression with the possibility of food shortages and civil unrest. All the rest of the stuff (EMP, Grid-down, Solar Flares, Pole reversal, etc) is possible, but less likely IMHO.
As for the MSM talking about it, you are starting to see it creep in. Look at all the new disaster shows and movies that are on. Look at Costco selling canned "survival food". There were recent articles in the WSJ about worst case scenarios. It's all out there, but it's just not leading the evening news, because it's all speculation.
That's my .02
Serfsup!
The internet is wonderful, isn't it? Such a great tool for escapism. Any and everyone can be an-Marine badass with a band of tough "buddies" who will kick the crap out of anyone who even looks at them crosswise. Probably some 12-year-old in his mom's basement on a Mac, eating Pop-Tarts and posting crap. It's really very simple- you stay in the woods and defend yourself and let "tough guy" stay in "urban squalor" and play Die-Hard with his imaginary friends.
Its rather a matter of being quiet. Not raising attention to yourself. Under the observable radar. If you are far enough from city centers, the lack of fuel will keep the Raiders city local. Thus our city "rambo" will quickly find himself dead and on someones dinner plate.
A real Marine would have never called it a "clip" He is probably some POG that would have to call his Grunt buddies to get his back no matter what trash he's talking anyway…what a tool.
To Poster Child. We(the doughnuts&M.D. of this blog) don't limit our preparing as you call it to The End of the World. This is only a small part of our so called fear. There's natural disasters like tornados and floods,even cultural disasters like riots, and finacial disasters like stock market crashes and bank closings. Everything we prep with can be used in our everyday lives like food,savings,and personal protection. Oh and by the way, it's not fear, it's intelligence.
Speaking as a former Marine, I will continue to develop my rural sanctuary.
Bret
I thought there was something familiar about the wining and crying from this "tough guy" who wants to call us out. After working in the prison system for over 24 years "tough guys" like this are a dime a dozen inside and they are usually somebody's "girlfriend"
Mechanic 2:16
Thank you for the clarification. I do apologize to all for my extreme nearsightedness. It drives me crazy when people focus on a single event and then become Chicken Little (read about CL in Wikipedia before commenting).
I had watched my parents get duped into buying a lot of useless stuff in the past over something that never materialized.
I too got taken for a considerable amount of money (six figures) because of a coming crash. All totaled made me become a "crusader against being duped" of sorts. Thanks again & I will continue reading on with a different view point – simply being prepared for X.
I do whole hardly agree that being prepared is not only prudent but a mark of intelligence.
it simply comes down to this….of course, we hillbillies have many hillbilly friends… and as for pointing my m4 at the raiders, they will have to decide whether or not my supplies are worth loosing some of their people, and i going to aim for the leader first. i realize that i can not fend off a force of 5000….but rest assured, i will rain a world of hurt down on them, even mr. marine and his misguided buddies would pay a heavy price for molesting my hillbilly heaven.
MECHANIC FROM ILLINIOS,WELL SPOKEN.FROM JAY IN NC
No one can know if a shtf is actually going to happen or not, nor any other disaster. It is not about what is going to happen. It is about what you are ready for. I live in a quiet neighborhood in a rural texas farming town, and we watch each others backs even now. not because we think the end is near, or an economic collapse is coming, because thats how we are. We have folks who wouldn't know a prepper from a prairie dog, but yet are better prepared than most to survive. they are just country folks.
we farm a 3/4 section west of town, and have a couple of old houses on the place, not the most modern, but usable as a fall back position. I do not prepare because of what I think might happen, but because of what can happen. just as with haiti, new orleans, and the WTC, bad things happen when you least expect it. the best we can do is be ready if it does.
Well it sounds like this guy's got it figured out, except what to do if the water supply is shut off, and how to get more food if there is a prolonged crisis, and how to deal with cops and military patrols going around to confiscate guns like they did during Katrina, etc., etc., etc..
It sounds to me like he's a retired NCO with a one-track mind, and as is typical of such types, seems utterly unable to imagine all the possible options and alternatives. I wish him luck there in his urban squalor in an overpopulated desert, but the best I can hope for him is a heroic death with many enemy corpses to his tally before he runs out of ammo and has to use his rifle as a club.
interesting… what a POG.
being that is he really does live in SD he is going to be in a world of hurt. SD has some of the nastiest water when the filtering stops.. and it does from time to time.. i.e. water shortage.
And being the fact that there are many who can't get out of the city due to whatever the reason, I feel for them.
If/When/Where the start of TSHTF, what will you do?
I saw someone mention costoc is selling survival food… but how long would it last? How much would you buy? The owners of Kirkland products, outside of Seattle, for Costco are becoming increasingly freaked out on how much food is being bought, especially in the orginal Costco store in Kirkland. The owners have all come to the conclussion that those people living in the little mountain communities (around the logging areas) are hoarding food and found out there were quite a bit of preppers out in the Rockies of Washington. The owners of costco are getting wise and will be coming out with some survival stuff in which Sam's Club and others stors will follow.
M.D. you may want to post about this in the future if you get a chance.
also… anyone having issues buying seeds this year? I know I am having issues trying to get some of my favoites. And it is to early to be fighting over them.
upinak
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