Wednesday miscellany

by M.D. Creekmore on January 23, 2013 · 70 comments

Does China Plan To Establish “China Cities” And “Special Economic Zones” All Over America? : “What in the world is China up to? Over the past several years, the Chinese government and large Chinese corporations (which are often at least partially owned by the government) have been systematically buying up businesses, homes, farmland, real estate, infrastructure and natural resources all over America”

Shock Claim: “The New Litmus Test Of Leadership In The Military Is If They Will Fire On US Citizens Or Not” : “The Obama administration is moving full force to seize firearms from law abiding Americans and why the US government’s law enforcement and security assets have been making preparations for years in anticipation of social breakdown and widespread civil unrest.”

Sheriffs are key to protecting Americans from unconstitutional gun laws : “Local sheriffs are the preeminent legal authority in the country and have the power, by constitutional design, to prevent or refuse enforcement of federal statutes which violate the U.S. Constitution or their oaths of office, according to one former sheriff who has battled the Feds over gun laws and won.”

Prisoner: I Threatened To Kill Obama To Get Medical Care : “BOCA RATON, Fla. (CBS Tampa) – A homeless man who was arrested after threatening the life of President Barack Obama claimed that he only did so in order to get needed medical attention.”

Hope? Gallup: American Optimism Hits Lowest Point Since Carter Administration : “Fewer than four-in-10 Americans (39 percent) rate the US in a positive manner – the most negative feedback the country has produced since 1979.”

National ‘assault weapon’ ban coming Thursday : “Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s office confirmed that she will be introducing in the Senate Thursday a new version of the so-called assault weapon ban. A spokesman said the full text will be released at a press conference on Thursday.”

The Sovereign Debt Bubble Will Continue To Expand Until – BANG – The System Implodes : “Why are so many politicians around the world declaring that the debt crisis is “over” when debt to GDP ratios all over the planet continue to skyrocket? The global economy has never seen anything like the sovereign debt bubble that we are experiencing today. The United States, Japan, and nearly every major nation in Europe are absolutely drowning in debt.”

70 comments

HomeINsteader January 23, 2013 at 9:11 am

China has been buying up US cities for some time; as I’ve previously posted, they are buying mostly near large bodies of fresh water sources. China has to import the majority of potable water because it just doesn’t have enough, in spite of the fact that they have a law about how much each citizen can consume daily. Would you like to go to Chinese prison for consuming too much water? It happens.

China has exported by the cargoship load for years; they’ve found it easier to simply buy up the land the US citizens no longer care about – mostly around fresh water lakes, and draw down the lakes for their exports. Eventually, they intend to simply “take them over”. Make no mistake about it.

Pakistan and India have similar problems, and have imported the majority of their potable water, as well; however, they don’t have the capital to buy up land around US lakes, as does China – all built on the backs of the fired American workers!

This is a good time to remind us all that we can STILL buy “Made in the USA”, and STILL support an American worker:

http://madeinusaforever.com/

j.r. guerra in s. tx. January 23, 2013 at 1:13 pm

I’ve just heard about that this weekend, that underground water aquifer rights are being bought in huge quantities. Sounds sort of ‘tinfoil hat talk’, but its sure true that water is IMPORTANT – someone must be wanting to cash in on that.

HomeINsteader January 23, 2013 at 1:42 pm

It is not tin foil hat talk. The world is in trouble on potable water. This is no secret, and it didn’t “suddenly just occur”.

axelsteve January 23, 2013 at 9:48 pm

As far as the lthmist test goes.Does anyone wonder why he is being called the dark lord?

Encourager January 24, 2013 at 5:52 pm

I simply do not understand how they have gotten away with this. What of the local government? Do they actually know what China is doing? In the article, Milan is just over an hour from me. There is no large body of water there, only the Saline River, which isn’t much of a river at that point, more like a stream.

I find this so disturbing!

Encourager January 24, 2013 at 5:57 pm

I just told my dh about this. He wants to know if there is a list of properties – all over the USA – that we can obtain. We used to live 15 minutes from Milan, MI.

Arggg! HOW CAN OUR GOVERNMENT allow a communist country to purchase our land, drain our water and build Chinese cities??

Mystery Guest January 23, 2013 at 9:12 am

If China is buying up our real estate and interest in holdings here then Fienstein had better shut up and real quick.
I think that a continued investigation into this, and continued tracking of these colonies and holdings should be done. Also exact geographical locations, pictures of the places and people should be made public.
I believe those in charge no longer care about their country and are dummer than a bag of rocks.
The Sheriffs of this country may be our only salvation. But remember they are people, and have human failures.
The only continuity in this land left is that we all put our drawers on one leg at a time.

riverrider January 23, 2013 at 9:20 am

msm is reporting that the terrorists which hit the algerian gas facility were the same ones that hit the benghazi consulate. krauthamer et al were right. our response to benghazi embolded them to try bigger things. its reported they used weapons from libya. good job barack.

Rider of Rohan January 23, 2013 at 9:36 am

Hillary is going to testify today. One wonders if the “Party of Stupid”, of which I’m a member by the way, will go after her and attempt to find out what really was going on in Benghazi. I’m thinking arms and ammo from Libya was being forwarded to jihadist rebels in Syria. Nah, Hillary wouldn’t be in on something like that.

riverrider January 23, 2013 at 1:43 pm

ror, there’s the arms thing for sure but thats not enough to get people killed by itself. more than one report claims we had a high level al queda operative in custody there being waterboarded and the attack was a rescue attempt. they have made a big fuss about not waterboarding. i find it hard to believe it was just low level incompetence. funny how those in custody keep getting let go. where’s the blind sheik?

riverrider January 23, 2013 at 9:31 am

the chinese are experiencing growing pains. they can’t produce enough staples of daily living to keep up with population growth and because of their birth control(gender based) they have too many young unmarried men walking the streets. they need arable land to grow grain, clean water, and something to do for those extra men. add to that they are heavily invested in our debt. look for huge swaths of farmland in the heartland to be bought up by them soon. this cuts down on our ability to feed ourselves and the world. part of the reason everybody puts up with us is that without us a lot of the world will starve. if the chinese can feed their own, plus take over as the worlds breadbasket, we’re in trouble. the other companies etc give them an entry point into our most robust computer networks. classic art of war. they just bought 9000 acres in nevada from HARRY REID, so there won’t be any legislation against their move.

axelsteve January 23, 2013 at 11:55 pm

I was thinking that they may buy some coastland for commercial fishing operations. The Japanese used to have big factory boats that went to the pueget sound and bought salmon and canned the fish on the spot. The brits would also buy dogfish for fish and chips.

worrisome January 24, 2013 at 11:34 am

River Rider………do have any links to that purchase? I would like to spread that news via email to a select group of friends? Thanks, Gail

riverrider January 24, 2013 at 1:00 pm

can’t remember where i found it. its out there. his son or in-law was the attorney involved as well. they bought the land for peanuts knowing the chinese wanted it from their insider sources. he made a mint on it.

JP in MT January 23, 2013 at 10:13 am

I have read several reports that the Dems think they have a lot of support for their ban. But I only hear it from them. I sure hope that I don’t get surprised again.

JP in MT January 23, 2013 at 10:15 am

If you were China, and you owned a lot of this country’s debt, and you didn’t want to get stuck with a bunch of worthless paper, what would you do?

So many are surprised by this buying, I’m amazed.

HomeINsteader January 23, 2013 at 12:52 pm

I am (personally) not at surprised, JP.

HomeINsteader January 23, 2013 at 10:26 am

Time is running out, folks. I hope you understand that. STACK IT HIGH!

Surprise! ABC Discovers That Barack Obama Is a ‘Progressive’ ‘Liberal’
23 Jan 2013

After years of downplaying ideological labels for Barack Obama, ABC has seemingly accepted the idea that the President is a “progressive” and a “liberal.” While recapping the inauguration, Good Morning America’s journalists used the terms four times in just two minutes and 45 seconds. Yet, when Obama was a Democratic primary candidate in 2007, the networks deployed the L-word just twice– in the entire year.

On Tuesday, George Stephanopoulos hyped the ideological content of Obama’s second inaugural: “The speech, a call to action, an uncompromising annunciation of liberal principles.”

Read more: http://joemiller.us/2013/01/surprise-abc-discovers-that-barack-obama-is-a-progressive-liberal/#ixzz2IoSDKyYL

Patriot Dave January 23, 2013 at 5:44 pm

It was predicted (Glen Beck) that there would come a time that they become so emboldened as to announce who they really are, with the assumption that the opposition could no longer do anything about it. I hope they are wrong on their assumption.

worrisome January 23, 2013 at 10:38 am

Wonder where these lakes are; where these compounds are, does anyone know?

HomeINsteader January 23, 2013 at 12:51 pm

One city in particular was mentioned in Ohio, along the Great Lakes; I believe it was Toledo. It was posted on here a couple of times. Other cities mentioned have been along waterways in the midwest and far west, but I can’t recall which cities were specifically mentioned. Sorry.

Thomas T. Tinker January 23, 2013 at 9:20 pm

A chi-com company purchased a large section of land along the East side of the Maumee River. It stretchs from the “Cherry Street Bridge North to the I-280 Bridge. This was to be a theatre, condo, restaurant destination location but nobody had… or wanted to loan the money to build it. The Chi-coms haven’t built anything either.

HomeINsteader January 23, 2013 at 11:13 am

Here’s one I had not thought about; don’t know why, but “rabbit sausage”? Hmmmm…I’ll bet it’s tasty!

Just grind your rabbit meat like any other meat and season it to taste; then cook it in your favorite recipes.

Anyone tried that yet? What did YOU think?

worrisome January 23, 2013 at 11:14 am

I went to his meetings here in Northern Cali on gun control. While completely happy with his conclusions, they were not as nutz as I thought he would be………

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323468604578249702672826598.html?mod=hp_opinion

Patriot Dave January 23, 2013 at 6:14 pm

His article only repeats and parrots what all the liberals are already saying. Nothing new. Nothing of meeting in middle ground. Nothing even remotely reasonable.
For instance gun free zones = protected criminal zones, enforced by the government no less.
The mental health issue is so broad and so subject to interpretation and regulation by unelected bureaucrats that you can drive a mack truck through it. “You have to be crazy if you want to get a gun or have a gun.” No gun for you.
If the public knew how many of the TRO (temporary Restraining orders) and DRO (domestic restraining orders) are actually filed by divorcing spouses just to get an advantage over the their spouse, you would freak. It is almost automatic for many attorneys to advise their clients to get them. But the mere allegation could bar you from possession. (BTW, another reason NOT to place that sign in the window about no warning shots. A neighbor may call you in, or if pissed at you, report you) Not good opsec in any respect. additionally, If you do shoot someone, they can use the sign to prosecute you for manslaughter or 2nd degree murder, instead of being self defense. You need to convince the police, prosecutor, judge and jury you had no choice, not that you planned it all along.)
universal background checks. really, If I want to give a gift to a relative, I have to run and pay for a background check. nuts to that. It is just one more step towards total registration of all guns, which is one step towards confiscation.
We have more laws on the books now than we need. I would even argue that many are illegal. They don’t even enforce what we have. Why do liberals think they would prosecute more?
We have armed marshals on planes, armed security in airports, train stations, casinos to protect money, banks to protect money, armored cars for money, politicians to protect a$$e$, celebrities more a$$e$, sports arenas, ditto, colleges, corporations, everything. But we can’t protect our children with teachers, administrators and guards? It works in other countries. It works in other states. It is proven effective. Liberals actually reject “REASONABLE” solutions. Goes to show their real intent. total gun confiscation to usher in tyranny.

HomeINsteader January 24, 2013 at 10:02 am

The laws that support the agenda of the reigning powers that be will ALWAYS be enforced; that’s why there are so many on the books, most of which are ignored into obscurity.

worrisome January 24, 2013 at 7:23 pm

Sorry, I said “while completely happy”, I meant NOT completely happy”………But it sounds like he will waffle and not vote on Frankenstein’s ban. Which was my only point.

Tactical G-Ma January 23, 2013 at 11:40 am

1. China is slowly but surely buying the U.S. and I believe China will be first to offer aid in the event of bankruptcy, civil unrest, etc. IMHO I believe the Chinese should be viewed in the same context as the aliens in “Independence Day” and other such movies. The Chinese have a huge population who have exhausted their resources and are seeking new places to rape and pillage and loot.

2.The U.S. Military were never intended to act against our citizens until now. Martial law will be awful and most certainly result in civil war. I wouldn’t be surprised at the psychological profile of the military fighters being change to that of gang thugs and sociopaths.

3. I believe our homeboys, our local Law men and women, will help the people retain their rights.

4. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Mz. Feinstein can KMA!

HomeINsteader January 23, 2013 at 12:48 pm

TGMA, I’d love to be a fly on the wall when you deliver that message to Feinstein in person – and I know you will! LOL!

Dean in Michigan January 23, 2013 at 1:55 pm

G-Ma,

Love the “Independence Day” analogy. Makes perfect sense.

If I’m not mistaken, the remake for the movie “Red Dawn” was originally scripted as the invading army being Chinese. That was until China through a hissy fit, and it was re-written to be North Koreans.

But why should China care? It’s just a movie right? Or is it? Maybe they felt that the movie was to close to revealing something they are actually planning.

HomeINsteader January 23, 2013 at 2:39 pm

You are NOT mistaken, Dean in M.

riverrider January 24, 2013 at 1:03 pm

because they bought the studio owning the movie. seriously.

WireNut January 23, 2013 at 10:05 pm

HinN,

Just let me know when we’re going to CA or DC and I’ll drive both you and TG, plus pay for the fuel. Just as long as I get to be there for the message delivery. It would be worth it, even if we had to spend a couple of nights in jail. Of course you’ll probably want to go while I’m out of the country for work, but give me as much notice as possible and I’ll try to be back home for the trip.

HomeINsteader January 24, 2013 at 9:56 am

It would be the bestest trip ever, I think!

Patti January 23, 2013 at 4:10 pm

TGMa, +1
You hit the nail on the head with these comments. God help us all. I am praying for all of you.

a-nerd January 23, 2013 at 1:29 pm

There are various threats in the world but the biggest long term threat is the Chinese. The reason is the large population and the need for lebensraum, living space. The communist government will continue to seek to maintain its power and to do so it will need food and other resources to keep the population sufficiently happy. Much of what we now seem them do can be linked back to this. The disputes over islands with both Japan and the Philippines can be linked to the gas resources under the islands. They continue to control Tibet and have even built a railway to the area so that they could move a lot of ethnic Han Chinese there and claim it as their own. Their lap-dog North Korea continues to be a nuclear threat because the West’s desire to curb North Korea gives them leverage. The are colonizing Africa through industrial projects as any mouth outside the country is one less to feed, so it is not surprising that they are doing this elsewhere as well. The resources that they can’t own outright, they are buying up the production output of and stockpiling it. This is the reason they have a huge trade surplus, as well as buying up all our government debt to control us and prevent us from labeling them as a currency manipulator.

Keep an eye on the news from China and especially any news of food shortages or crop failures as this will be the trigger for the Chinese government to do something desperate.

riverrider January 23, 2013 at 1:48 pm

they have plenty of space, but little fertile land with water. the population is piled along the coast. the western regions are sparcely populated and not under the control of the government, in relative terms.

george January 23, 2013 at 2:54 pm

Little fertile land, what the heck are they doing with the waste of over one billion people??? That would sure make a lot of compost that could then make some good ferile land. Or does eating all the werird things they do make it toxic..

Rider of Rohan January 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm

It’s the “with water” part of the statement that makes the difference. Large parts of China are too dry.

HomeINsteader January 24, 2013 at 7:38 am

Large parts of the water they have are too polluted for human consumption because the Chinese gubment doesn’t care how much industrial waste has been drained into the waters, as long as the quotas are met and the state gets richer by the day.

tommy2rs January 23, 2013 at 2:10 pm

“The New Litmus Test Of Leadership In The Military Is If They Will Fire On US Citizens Or Not”

Well at least it will reduce the friend or foe identification problem and make it a target rich environment.

Hunker-Down January 23, 2013 at 2:46 pm

History repeats itself. If ‘they’ are in uniform it will be just like shooting at the redcoats.
They wont march in a straight line like the redcoats but we’re not using muskets, we got them nasty Ar15′s with bushel basket magazines.

Luke January 24, 2013 at 1:59 am

All I’ll say is dont shoot at my troops and my troops wont shoot at you.

riverrider January 24, 2013 at 1:06 pm

roger that. maybe we need a fof id for this. i know a lot of my former unit will be with us.

Grumpy Vermonter January 25, 2013 at 8:08 pm

This is beyond scary! If the military is having all of it’s decent Americans weeded out if they won’t pass the government’s new “litmus test” then only the really bad people will remain. The ones that like to kill, look down on civilians and so forth. We will not be handing over our guns without a fight if it comes to that, but this is so sad to see happening. Some say it’s punishment for how decadent America has become, but I say not all of America is decadent, nor all Americans decadent. May God spare those who truly are trying to do the right thing by Him/Her!

Tactical G-Ma January 26, 2013 at 9:20 am

Grumpy,
I believe there are many of us. But by TDL getting reelected obviously not enough. I can’t figure out why the order to allow women into combat NOW. Is this a diversion? How can our military strength be improved by allowing people of less physical stature, male or female, on the front lines? Any ideas?

Hunker-Down January 26, 2013 at 10:49 am

Tactical G-Ma,

It seems to me that a Muslim will do everything he can to weaken the infidels. Does ‘Trojan horse’ fit here?

Grumpy Vermonter January 26, 2013 at 4:31 pm

I agree with Hunker Down, on another blog I saw a member of the military saying it would cause demoralization of our forces. Seeing as how TDL is going for King status, I would think that may be an accurate theory! What could be better than a demoralizing diversion? Divert attention from the gun grab and Benghazi, smoke and mirrors. And while the media ignored the 500,000 march on Washington by pro-lifers, yet are swooning over the “several thousand” marching anti-gun folks. I feel like we’re part of a big shell game.

J January 23, 2013 at 3:53 pm

Guess we need to learn the Chinese language.
I can see it now “Made in the United States of China”
Being 71 years old I should be long gone before it reaches that stage.
Then again maybe not.

HomeINsteader January 23, 2013 at 4:33 pm

OH, NO! We”ll be losin’ TGMa on the Wolfpack blog now!

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Hunker-Down January 23, 2013 at 5:13 pm

HomeINsteader,

They will encourage the sheeple with anything to get votes.

HomeINsteader January 24, 2013 at 7:48 am

Well, you are right, HD.

The next headline I was about to share, just before some idiot drove down a powerpole in the ‘hood, which took power down for the next six hours, is one in which an announcement was made of BIG CUTS in the military. So, first they announce they are sending women into combat, after decades of resisting the idea. Then they announce big military budget cuts. Do you see a correlation here? I do! It’s cheaper to send the warm bodies we’re already supporting (women) into combat roles than it is to bring in new warm bodies and have to support them, too. That’s exactly what I think went on. As always, it’s all about the $$$$.

Tactical G-Ma January 23, 2013 at 6:14 pm

HI
I had my days in the sun. I am now too old and too crippled to serve. I do worry about having female leaders in combat. From personal experience, there were times I would have pulled the pin. I am not much for detente. ;-)

axelsteve January 23, 2013 at 11:51 pm

I have problems with women in combat roles. Then again I am kinda old school about some things.I have no problems with taking orders from a woman. I have for a long time from my wife. I just bristle about the thought of our women being killed or captured.

M.D. Creekmore January 24, 2013 at 8:10 am

axelsteve,

I hate to think of what will happen to them if they were to become POW’s.

HomeINsteader January 24, 2013 at 7:51 am

Well, T GMa, I’m glad we won’t be losing you on the blog, but if we had more warriors – without regard to gender issues – who are not much on detente and fewer who cave to the talking heads…we’re going to need those in the immediate future, I’m sure.

Grumpy Vermonter January 25, 2013 at 8:12 pm

Tactical, I wish you had been a genreal! Detente is B.S. I have the awful feeling that HomeInsteader says, they’re just looking for more bodies to use. I hope they all say they wouldn’t fire on another American citizen!

Luke January 24, 2013 at 2:01 am

dont worry most of them wont hack it. and the ones that do… well at least they will be trained to the same standard.

riverrider January 24, 2013 at 1:17 pm

until they complain that its not “fair” and the standards get reduced for them only. That was a pet peeve of mine. at 48 i had to do more pushups etc than an 18 y/o female. then she had the nerve to counsil ME on my pt score! then asked for help picking up a case of ammo. i told her she’s wearing the stripes, pick it up yourself. don’t get me wrong, i’ve know a few that could handle it, maybe better than some men. the problem is that the male/female dynamic is counter to good discipline in field environments. you will always have some guys trying to “get some” and you will always have some women using sex to “get over”. toss in jealousy, the gay and lesbian angles and you have a mess. i don’t see their arguement that only combat infantry get promoted. they are 14% of the force but are upwards of 25% of the officers. some are pushed up the chain even though they aren’t good officers, just because they are female. yeah, it happens with men too. its a tough sirtuation made tougher by this and further demoralizes the army, which i feel was the ultimate goal of it.

Hunker-Down January 23, 2013 at 5:46 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGaDAThOHhA&feature=player_popout

Pelosi, Reed, Obummer….how can you defend your position?

Are you THAT ignorant of history? How hard is it to become so dumb?
Just look at the Chicago stats. Apply some 3rd grade logic.

Rider of Rohan January 23, 2013 at 5:50 pm

There is now an all out assault on the fighting effectiveness of the military. And I mean no disrespect here ladies, but you have no business being on the front lines in combat mode. This has nothing to do with equality and everything to do with further degrading the military. We learned yesterday that Obama is quietly going about the business of ejecting officers who refuse to consider ordering their troops to fire on American citizens. Add these things all together with the big push coming on gun control and one can see the handwriting on the wall. TDL is gathering his forces, and we are woefully unprepared for what this evil man is getting ready to unleash.

Luke January 24, 2013 at 2:52 am

Ahh now i remember why i stopped coming to this and other prepper site and started using youtube for all my prepping needs. The bitterness against the military… To all of you haters against my chosen profession, i have this to say to you.

The American soldier, marine, sailor, and airman, whether part time or full time, and the second amendment BOTH ensure your freedom. many of you will say what has the US military done to defend my freedom they went to Afganistan and Iraq for oil and they kill innocent people every day. How is that insuring my freedom. Many of you will go so far as to say that the US military hasnt been in a war to ensure my freedom since WWII. Well thats where you are wrong. First off let me say this.
WAR IS WAR. meaning its bloody its terrible and until you have been in it it is NOT comprehendable. Innocent people die dont blame me blame the asshole that want to have a shootout in the middle of the city around civilians so that our job is harder. mistakes are made people die innocent people have to suffer. It is not fought on some distant battle field anymore. those days are gone. Concerning Afganistan and Iraq… Those 2 countries funded and trained global terrorist cells. they still do However through killing many of their leaders and burning their poppy fields we have managed to help secure your freedom by making the chances of you getting blown up less of a threat. also consider this. If it was not for the American military, i dare say the US would have been invaded by another country by now. You may quote the japanese by saying “there would be a gun behind every blade of grass”, but Japan is the a little smaller then California. Be realistic would you invade a country that had more people in one state then you had in your country at that time? Think of how the Cold war would have gone if we didnt have a standing military? Probably not in your favor comrade. Today we have China they house 20% of the world population. Without your hated military how would you defend against them? Not to mention Korea isnt really best buddys with us right now. they might would get a friend in the neighborhood to help pick on The army less United States but you and your guns would stop them right? Dont forget you also would have to keep alert for their version of AC 130 gun ships and attack helicopters because no one was rich enough to buy those for private use in America to defend against our freedoms. In short the point is dont be so quick to think your military is against you. Just having a standing military is enough to ensure your freedom today.
Keep that in mind next time you bad mouth my brothers and sisters in arms.
PS. Everyone knows commands come from the top. but its the company and platoon and squad that either enforces them or doesnt enforce them.
PSS. (lol) NATO doesnt have troops. big mis understanding about that. Look it up.

JP in MT January 24, 2013 at 10:51 am

Luke:

You speak as one who has not spent time on this site.

And as far as your PS goes; you are correct as far as you go. I will tell YOU than the kind of true leadership you are speaking of was a dying thing when I retired in the mid-1990′s. You put your future promotions and assignments on the line if you LOOKED like someone who would disobey orders, legal or not. Since promotion and assignments are a VERY big thing for most military people (enlisted over 8 and all officers), the vast majority won’t buck the system.

If you have been stationed in multiple locations, under multiple commands, and found this to be untrue, I congratulate you. I would like to think that you would be right over what I experienced. I fear that I will be the one proven right.

Tactical G-Ma January 24, 2013 at 2:00 pm

JP
Servicemen are taught they don’t have to follow unlawful orders. They are also taught they are not able to determine what an unlawful order is.

JP in MT January 24, 2013 at 5:04 pm

Tactical G-Ma:

You are absolutely right. Unfortunately, some people have difficulty discerning whether an order given by an NCO or Officer IS lawful. We teach young soldiers (in my case) to obey first, each them muscle memory, but I don’t recall a regular training session in training our soldiers HOW to determine if a reasonable sounding order is actually a lawful order. That’s what they depended upon us NCO’s to do. Unfortunately, I saw many instances (and I was in support units not combat units) where NCO’s took advantage of their rank and/or position to further themselves personally. I see this easily moving some small things to larger items, moving on to following or issuing illegal orders. And the more small things that “slip through the cracks” lead to larger ones.

I would like that when someone takes an oath they take it to heart and follow it in both to the letter and the spirit. However, all we have to do is look to many of our current leaders to determine that just taking an oath doesn’t mean they understand it let alone be willing to do what is the right thing.

Sorry, but in may opinion, without the moral conviction that you will not do bad things to those that you are supposed to protect, you will violate any oath you take.

Luke January 24, 2013 at 10:28 pm

JP

The military (at least the places i have been) has changed since even i have been in. That being said you are absolutely right. Many support NCO’s are like that and give NCO’s a bad name. That being said Ive only seen that when i was a pogue. As an infantryman I dont see it NEARLY as much. Line units are very different from the rest of the military in that regard. There has been many times when we have had training on the Constitution in a couple of units i have been in. I just got out of active duty and transfered to the Guard and i dont see it as much there but common sense tells me that citizen soldiers would have even harder time firing upon civilians then active duty would because they walk in the same shoes.

riverrider January 24, 2013 at 1:28 pm

i didn’t see any hating on the army in rohan’s statement. the opposite in fact. tdl IS trying to undermine our forces at every turn. adding the complication of females to infantry/armor/ combat assets further demoralizes our hardest troops, troops we need to be hard. i spent 29 years in, retired as a master sergeant. i led infantry, and i led support troops. its a whole other ball game when women are involved. while very valuable assets, they complicate the caos even more. if i wasn’t retired, i would now. i hope you won’t come try to get my guns if ordered. we are after all on the same team. you have to realize that your leadership may not be. good luck and god be with you.

Rider of Rohan January 24, 2013 at 5:53 pm

Luke, my dad served in the United States Air Force and the United States Army, and retired from the Army after 27 years of military service and is buried near Ft. Benning, Ga. in Phenix City, Al. He wanted to be near his beloved service. Quite frankly, I know a little bit about the military. There is no bitterness against the military in my post, how you interpreted that is beyond me. My problem is with a CIC who seems hell bent on destroying the fighting effectiveness of our military by trying every little liberal tweak he can think of, such as putting women and gays in combat roles. All these things weaken the fighting effectiveness of the force. IMHO.

As for my statement on the purges going on right now in the military, it’s being reported in many quarters. One can use logic and speculate as to why. I only ask that you re-read my first post and tell me where I wrote anything anti-military. Good day to you, sir, and thank you for your service.

HomeINsteader January 24, 2013 at 10:03 am

Every word you have spoken is true. Luke: why are you here, then? go back to youtube….best wishes to you.

HomeINsteader January 24, 2013 at 10:04 am

ROHAN – every word spoken true.

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