What is your opinion of when America will fall?

Below is a transcript of a recent email exchange that I had with a reader – please feel free to add your thoughts and comments in the comments section below…

Initial email: I’ve been subscribing to your blog for several years and it is still my favorite. I believe that you are a Christian from all the Bibilical references that you use, particularly since you started the daily Scripture.

In light of the book “Harbinger” and “The Mystery of the Shemitah,” both by Jonathan Cohn, and whole myriad of other books and articles, what is your opinion of when America will fall? I do not believe American’s fall has anything to do with the Second Coming of Christ, or the Rapture of the Church if you believe in that, but it sure seems to me like September this year is likely to be the fall of America, that we will be a nation brought low because of our sin and condoning sin in others.

Let me add that Second Coming is likely to follow pretty close on the heels of America’s fall but since no man knows the day or the hour I have to not worry about that. Keep in mind the knowing the season is not the same as knowing the day or hour. God has been warning us for a long time and I have come to the conclusion that the fall of American is inevitable, that the only hope for any delay is a tremendous outpouring of the Holy Spirit with a resulting revival where people are won to Christ, but it does not appear that is about to happen. That doesn’t mean we give up hope because as long as true Christians service and continue to serve the Lord, that is hope for the lost to come to Jesus.

To be truthful, I guess it doesn’t matter what you think, meaning that in a kind way. I have made up my mind and am warning others, using the words of Amos, “I am neither a prophet, nor the son of a prophet.” That brings me to my favorite Bible verse: Rev 22:20 Jesus speaks and John responds, “‘Yes, I am coming soon.’

Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.”

P.S. I do believe in the Rapture and the premillennial return of Christ.

M.D. replies : America is not America anymore many of our rights have been taken away already and they will keep chipping away. ​Please read my article “16 Reasons Why the United States is Going to Hell in a Hand Basket” which sums up most of my feeling on the issues. As for when America will collapse, it is collapsing now and this is more evident in certain areas, but an economic collapse does not mean that the U.S. will not continue to exist. What it means is that we will see a deep cut in services and a much lowered (think third world) standard of living. The only probable event that could make America cease to exist as a nation in our lifetimes (It exists now in name only – the real America as we knew it is fading fast with a world freedom ranking of 16 the last time that I checked) is a nuke war with China and Russia which I think could happen in about 5-10 years.

Reader reply: Thanks for the reply. I read the “16 Reasons” article when you first published it. I agree with everything you said in your reply, but I do take it a little farther. Yes, American is falling. The first major decline was when several things happened in the Sixties: 1) abortion on demand, 2) the sexual revolution, and 3) taking prayer out of schools (actually it was a banning of God from the schools.) Even though we are in agreement with many things I firmly believe there is going to being a sudden and dramatic fall.

You are correct that American will not disappear. It will still be visible, but it certainly will no longer be a world power and will become a third world county is a very bad way. I really think the dollar will crash first and lose its status as the world’s reserve currency. Then there is that Sep 11 date on which radical Muslims like to hit us hard, this time possibly via shutting our power off. Remember the article that said they only need to knock out nine power stations to knock out power for the entire nation. That might be the thing that causes the financial collapse. As of now, it all speculation as to how it will happen and exactly when, however, I’m making sure I have my get-home-bag with me when ever I’m away from home.

Thanks again for all your work, warning all us unwashed masses 🙂 and trying to help us be prepared. Keep looking up . . . (Luke 21:28)

Blessing, Brother,

Looking forward to sitting down with you in Glory for a long conversation about our loving Savior, Jesus Christ.

M.D. replies : There will be a sudden and dramatic fall, after we reach a certain point, but like you said it’s been crashing morally since the 60’s, and economically for years, so really it isn’t sudden but the end result of a long drawn out crash. But there are also many other threats, besides economic collapse and some of those could throw us into a mad max type situation that we might not ever recover from. There are so many different threats and ways the current system could fall, that it’s mind-blowing. The best thing that we can do is to stay informed, not just FOX news but from a number of sources, and to prep and become as independent from outside sources as possible. And get armed and trained if you’re not already, and be prepared to defend what you have. And pray for guidance.

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  1. nightshiftsucks says:

    I use to not believe in God but seeing all of the evil around the world I’m starting to change my mind, I’ve even thought of going to church. The only problem is I’ll have to take my wife to the ER when I tell her because I’m sure she will have a heart attack.

    • Goatlover says:

      Seek and you will find!

    • Centurion_Cornelius says:


    • messenger says:

      Accept Christ as your Savior and then when your wife has the heart attack don’t call 911 or take her to the emergency room. That way you save your soul and a lot of money now and in the future…ok ok just jok’n. But make the decision for Christ now because who is to say you or I will be here tomorrow. Death comes unexpectedly sometimes. thanks

    • Praying for you and your wife.

    • If you are looking for the evils of the world, then looking at religion is the right place to start. Why would you start believing ancient mythology and stop using common sense? Will you also allow someone to convince you the world is flat by showing you a fold out map? Just because you don’t have answers to some questions does not mean you need to make up a God to explain the gaps. Why not look into the Greek God’s? Or Buddhism? Or numerous beliefs of Native Americans?

    • Many hospitals also have churches in them! Two birds one stone…just sayin! Take baby steps so you don’t become overwhelmed.

  2. Also looking at September for a major “correction” in the stock market. I also think something will happen involving Israel this fall. Not sure what.

  3. Goatlover says:

    Armstrong Economics.com is another source that points to something significant taking place this fall. Mr. Armstrong’s computer program points to the end of September as the peak of government confidence, with a sharp decline thereafter. Interesting articles there to read several times each day. I just continue to prepare and pray. It’s more important for us to keep ourselves mentally and spiritually ready than to hash out the big WHEN question (though I ask myself WHEN quite often!).
    I will say that the Spirit of the Lord is stirring in the hearts of His people and I believe there WILL be revival occurring in our midst as we seek Him. Our human nature tends to forget God when all is going well and we are “fat and happy”. But, when things get really tough, we turn our hearts toward Him and rededicate our lives to the Kingdom. The people of Israel did that over and over again and we are no different! If it takes us experiencing difficulties to get right with the Lord, then so be it!
    As a side note—isn’t it a beautiful thing to see the forgiveness flowing from the folks in South Carolina to the person who killed their loved ones in church? The Love of God is the most powerful thing on this Earth and I pray that young man is so overcome by it that he receives Christ as Lord and Savior.

  4. JP in MT says:

    People are looking for a specific date. If you wanted to cause the most disruption to this country, I would declare a 10 business day banking holiday, 2 weeks before the Inauguration.

    I would start it start with an announcement at 5 PM EST, and be immediately effective through the Monday before the Inauguration. No cash can be withdrawn, ATM’s stop working, no EBT, debit, or credit transaction, no cashing or depositing of checks. Banks ordered closed to the public (no access to safety deposit boxes). Transactions in the stock and commodities markets would also be frozen. They might allow ongoing debit transactions (automatic bill paying) to continue.

    On that 1st Monday, currency exchanges start. New bill to oil rate is 1 new dollar for 100 old dollars. A one time exchange of up to 10,000 old dollars per adult. The exchange period would only last for 5 days or until current stocks of cash at the banks runs out of new dollars.

    During this 2 week hiatus, the FDIC coverage is dropped to $10,000, per account/holder per financial institution. Just before the start of the exchange, your deposited funds would be “exchanged” for the new currency. This would leave you with $100 new dollars per account/holder/institution. This would include 401k, stock & bond portfolios, and pension accounts (both current and future). So, even if you had an individual account, a joint checking account with the wife, others with 2 of your adult children, and a savings account, you would only have $100 to share with everybody.

    Now, to preserve business, all wages would be converted to the new dollar equivalency, but your debts would remain at the old rate. Example: you were making $100,000/yr and paying on $500,000 in debt. You would now be making $10,000/year but still paying on $500,000 on debt.

    I do believe that coinage would be unaffected do to the cost of replacing it. They would try, but it would not be effective.

    Business would go along because they would be protected. Banking would go along for the same reasons. The national debt would be reduced and the hordes of cash overseas (and stockpiled at home) would become worthless overnight.

    And this is just about money and cash. What happens to the transportation industry when there are no debt transactions for fuel? Then go from there. Yes, you and I could probably sit out 2 weeks without spending any money, but what about “them”?

    Our elected officials would blame the outgoing administration, and do nothing about it. It would actually solve many of their problems to.

    Some people (most actually) will scream and holler about how unfair this is. It will be explained away as a new start, with no other working solutions; equitable to all. And what will you do about it? You will feel helpless (if you are in the current majority of Americans). You are really about to loose everything you have “built up”. The security you thought you had will be shown as worthless (as it already is). All of your preconceived notions will be shattered – how the government is there to help YOU, how your savings are secure, how your property is safe from seizure.

    If you find that this picture is disturbing, look at your beliefs. If you find yourself saying “They can’t do this!”, think again. All the pieces are in place, they just have to have a trigger event.

    • JPinMT
      I like your posting every since I started reading this blog…
      YET there are time your thought processes scare the [email protected] out of me. For someone who was in the military like dh, did you work in the analysis division, or what?!
      I just saw a cargo container for sale down the road and it is looking even better for a wine cellar.
      Can not wait to read your posting to dh and see what he has to say.

      • JP in MT says:


        I was not an analyst, I just fixed their equipment, spent my weekends with them, and read their reports. When I first started seeing a few, I wondered why we needed to know that kind of information – things you wouldn’t think would matter to the military. After have been retired now for 20+ years, I am finally beginning to see how it all fits together.

        Too many Agatha Christy movies/novels.

        Also understand the these are my thoughts not hopes. With the way my mind works, most people that know me really hope I’m “more-than[slightly touched”.

        • JPinMT
          After reading your posting to my dh, he said wow he is right on. That even scared him…which takes a lot.
          You are more spot on than most would like, here is a few facts my hubby went through with me this evening.
          In 1962 Korea, the military changed the MPC(military payment certificates)because the loan sharks and the ‘houses of ill repute’ were hording the money they had collected from the military, and it was not circulating through the economy.
          Dh said that the head madam(s) were tossing bags of money over the fence trying to have the soldiers change the old for the new. Here is the catch you could only exchange so many old MPC’s for the new. He said it was total chaos, the gates were closed no one in and no one out. He was not in country 1966 Vietnam, but was told it was not a place you would have wanted to been, similar occurrence with the change of military monies.
          Why the comparison, it is not that far off from the past facts to your hypothesis.
          It is ok to be a little touched. We appreciate it.

        • ananamo also says:

          JP add to that …, all the convicts that will be released on the population,( with nothing but the shirts on their backs) the gangs that will be trying to “take what they have not earned”…

          • JP in MT says:


            Who said anything about releasing them?

            Gangs think they will “have it made”. The problem that they are going to have to contend with is they will no longer be able to “hind behind the judicial system”. It will end up that those how believe the rules don’t apply to them will find that neither do the protections.

    • Thomas T. Tinker says:

      JP… the numbers may vary…. but the event is not hard to believe. I have relatives in Northern Greece. Our family has made plans around what is happening there. The general public has had a total of an %82 tax levied on current daily needs.

      Have you seen the “Brinks” self paid credit card add? You auto deposit all of your ‘income’ to Brinks and they will issue you a card to use. the thing that caught my eye is that this ‘Card’ is FDIC insured!?!?

      Yepper….. Silver and Gold… in small fractions… Currently ask a Greek or an Argentine or a Venezuelan or a Serb Romanian Iraqi Afghani Tunisian or any poor fool in Zimbabwe.

      JP your post sounded like the first chapter or ‘hook’ of more than a few post apoxy-listical books or movies I’ve read or seen.

      • JP in MT says:


        The above is a compilation of various articles and books I’ve read over that last 4-5 years. The problem for me is that the more I read, the more plausible this becomes.

        • Chuck Findlay says:

          Can you say “Silver”?

          Yea they may try to stop the use of PM’s, but it won’t work. The black market is the real economy and can’t be shut down.

          I already make use of it more then most people so it’s not a new thing to me.

          I have a friend that puts a lot of his money in PM’s in off-shore accounts (yet he lives in the USA) I question the sense of doing this as if capitol controls come to the USA I don’t know that he will have free access to his money.

          As far as silver or gold, if you don’t hold it, you don’t own it…

          • JP in MT says:


            I absolutely agree. If you can’t touch it, get “warm and fuzzy” with it, you don’t really own it.

            • Chuck Findlay says:

              I’m going to the coin shop in the morning and buying another 10-oz bar of silver. Would have went today, but they are not open on Mondays.

              And yea it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside…

          • Chuck, how do make use of silver now? Bartering?

            • Chuck Findlay says:

              I buy silver and put it in the safe. My safe, not the banks safe.

              I barter some, but not a lot because there is not a lot of things most people have that I see much value in other then cash. What I do is partake in the black market quite a bit. Then I buy hard assets like preps, silver, tools and supplies that allow me to continue to work and make money.

              • kybelboy says:


                I’m familiar with the Farmers Market but I’ve yet to find a Black Market in the US. Are you talking drugs, guns, etc,??? 🙂

                • Chuck Findlay says:

                  (I’m familiar with the Farmers Market but I’ve yet to find a Black Market in the US. Are you talking drugs, guns, etc,??)

                  Black as in normal work, and an un-taxed exchanged between 2 people that feel the government has no business knowing about.

                  I don’t do or get involved in drugs, I have never partaken in them a single time and never will.

                  As far as guns people that own guns trade between themselves (just as people do with and consumer good or product) and this is not illegal. The only thing I make sure of when it comes to guns is that the person lives within my state if we trade a handgun as it’s illegal to sell a handgun to someone out of state without going through a FFL dealer. It is not needed for a rifle. I comply with the law on the trading of guns.

                  My black market reference was relating to home repair work, not controlled substances or guns.

              • Don’t forget your nickels. A couple hundred dollars in the bottom of a safe will keep it from being carted off.

                • Chuck Findlay says:

                  It’s unlike anyone is going to cart off my safe. I removed the door and it took my brother, myself and a hand truck to get it up the stairs, down the hall and into the bedroom, it was a workout. With the door back on it’ gets even heaver to move.

  5. John Pontsler says:

    I am just finishing the book “End of America” with a sub title of “The role of Islam in the end times and biblical warnings to flee America” by John Price. ($.99 Kindle version).
    A very eye opening and thought provoking read. I am still working my way through his bible references as to the identity of the “Daughter of Babylon, but everything he has put forth thus far is scripturally sound and very plausible.
    It has caused me to re-evaluate my walk with the Lord, and to seriously, with a prayerful heart seek His will in the direction I should go.
    Often I have wondered to friends just how long was America going to avoid judgment for it’s sin’s and apostasy. Read the book. It has lots of insight into what could be America’s fate and why.
    John Pontsler

  6. Big Bear says:

    A “correction” is in the wind! Not just for the world’s financial markets, but also for the societies built on a monetary house of cards. There are just too many folks without any sense of responsibility ……. not for themselves, not their communities, and not for their countries. The worth of honesty, responsibility, morality, work ethics, and charity is at an all time low. Our citizens are preoccupied with the media driven hype of Facebook, Twitter and the other social networking tools. Too many believe that their world of “being connected” is an acceptable substitute for the reality of face to face communication. Lessons from our ancestors are relegated to the past as “not being relevant” to this modern world. Regardless of what causes the collapse, it is going to occur. Those of us that believe the coming correction will change everything, will wreak havoc in the lives of everyone, have simply made astute observations about the reality of current events ……….. we are prepared!

  7. I don’t know when the collapse will be, but it looks like the hand carrying the hand basket is broken and not splinted or in a cast.

  8. Nightshift says:

    Not sure how I feel about the first posters name. I hope he is talking about working on graveyard shift and not stirring something. I’ve used my moniker for a dozen years and post here on a rare occasion but read daily.

    There is alot of talk lately about this subject. Things sure are not getting better in the world and the US and sooner or later it will collapse. I don’t think we have at most a couple years of accelerating collapse before the bottom falls out of things. I don’t put it past the Obama administration to push things to a state of martial law so he can stay in power. Sound far-fetched? Look how he tramples the Constitution and our freedoms and no one challenges him.

    Not sure about the above money conversion theory that JP posted. They can get the same effect by inflating money drastically by “printing”. Your wages stay the same, prices go up and the bankers are taken care of by increasing the interest rates. Legislation can give authority to change that loan you have at 5% to %20 or more overnight so the bankers can stay ahead of inflation. This also devalues the debt that foreign governments hold. And this is more likely to slide past the sheeple. They have been doing this already. IMHO

    That’s why I prep. Trying to pay off debt. Put back the food, tools, supplies and defensive items. Learning skills. I moved out to the boonies 6 years ago and feel much safe than in town. Have a good bunch of like minded neighbors to boot.

    Get ready folks. Its coming.

    • riverrider says:

      tdl sure loves lincoln and lincoln used the illegal suspension of habias corpus to silence his detractors among others. i’m just hoping nobody double taps him down in south carolina.

    • arjones says:

      Sorry about the thumb down , I fat fingered & ment thumb up..

  9. DW and I were talking about this last evening. She asked me what I thought would be the event that brought martial law. My response was that it could be more than just one event, as I pointed out several probabilities. The migration (forced) of the residents in the drought areas of the SW. The collapse of the money markets. Illegal immigration. Supreme Court decision on marriage. Racial issues. LEO/ police state issue. There’s really too many to mention here. I do believe in the Rapture(Lot and Noah were protected from the wrath of God for being considered righteous before Him.) I also think we will see and experience the beginning of the tribulation (which I think we are in now,The Isrealites endured three of the ten plagues brought on Egypt before being delivered out of bondage). I have been reading a book about the end time events (“end time events” by Charles Capps )that has a lot of good points and insights. The parable of the tares and the wheat is one I’ve heard all my life, but never got the fact that the tares were just gathered to burn,not burned right away. The wheat was taken on to the barn. The author related the gathering of the tares to the groups of people who are going against God and his word. I won’t name the groups as that would take way too long, but you get the idea. Those groups are now gathered and opposing God. The timing is short for us to prepare our hearts and minds. The theory of linking the Genesis account to God’s timing (a day is a thousand years, thousand years as a day) gives a total of seven thousand years. The last thousand belong to Christ for His reign of peace, so that leaves six to account for; Two thousand from Adam to Abraham, two more from Abraham to Christ, and the last two from Christ to present. So, if we use this theory, we are really close to the end. I urge all to accept the free gift of salvation by grace through faith in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

  10. Patriot Farmer says:

    You can see the decline of America everyday. Men are women, women are men, you can be what ever race you want to be as long as you identify with that race. The president pushes for racial divide and tension with every speech he gives. The media stokes the flames of violence and class divide at every newscast. People are mean, rude and downright disrespectful of each other and many don’t even know who their neighbors are anymore. Our “government” disregards the constitution when it suits them, taxes are rising at all levels and government regulations, rules, and laws are choking the life out of us. This country is on the path to decline and ruin and I doubt that it can be saved and returned to what it once was.

  11. America became not America when we elected a one term senator /community organizer , read socialist organizer TWICE. He is dismantling our nuclear arsenal , the same arsenal that has kept us from Nuclear war for a long time. He has destroyed our economy and employment. Our military is weakened and no one cares. He has shown a obvious disregard for America and his intent is nefarious.The medical system is upside down , and we will be hurting for Doctors soon.

    The average American with his/her room temperature IQ, cannot or will not be cognizant of it as they are too be busy being consumed By Honey Boo Boo or the Kardashians. The light at the end of the tunnel is a Locomotive of socialism out of control and most of the sheeple have no clue and do not care.

    • poorman says:

      Not that I am a fan of our fearless leader but America was in a huge decline before he was elected. We have had a one party system for at least 50 years and people just didn’t see it. Any president elected is just a figure head so the other party can point the finger and say, see if our guy was in office that wouldn’t have happened while both sides rape the American people.

      • kybelboy says:


        I don’t disagree with what you say, but I have to point out the current figurehead has taken everything to a new level of lawlessness. It is true that the courts and congress are not fighting back effectively, (show only) but he is way past anything we have ever had because in MHO he is truly evil and not just another misguided politician. The MS media seem to be bought and paid for or the decision makers are true believers in Socialism / Communism. I don’t know if he will finish out his term, but I believe God has allowed him to rise to power for the purpose of meting out judgement on this nation.

    • Not to mention that he’s set everybody against everybody else. He makes the usual race baiters look tame, and has easily set this country back 40 years. Maybe it’s time for lil ole me to pull a John Galt.

  12. PrepperDoc says:

    Yes, there are loads of bad harbingers. Nuclear attack, EMP attack, riots, you name it they are all possible and have happened in history and will probably happen again. Thus I prepare.

    However at the same time, I have to remember that when I was a kid they told us we were going to run out of oil! Out of nowhere, someone comes up with fracking. I personally make over half my electricity. My latest car gets three times the gas mileage my first one did. Lots of people are waking up. I never owned a single firearm until the community organizer was elected. Now I own dozens, and reload seven or eight calibers. Taught 18 people how to reload! First really successful crop ever this summer.

    I’m not unique, there are many more like me. And my kids have learned from me. Somehow, at least some of us will survive and get through whatever happens. We may not look the same. Any of us with a few gray hairs has been through tough life crises more than once. I am at least three times better prepared than I ever was in my entire life before. And I think that just the small conversation at work has caused many others to do something similar, likely on a smaller scale, because I have more gray hairs and more resources than many.

    What bugs me is how hard it is for me to convince others to get skills! I have several degrees and quite a few licenses, but it is difficult to convince others to put in the elbow grease to become skilled. That is a crying shame… My two cents worth.

    • Chuck Findlay says:

      I’ve been reloading for 30+ years so it’s not new., I use to do it for the gun shop. I got all my powder, bullets and primers paid for.

      I also had to fix just about everything I got in my life as it was all used stuff. I never really looked at it as a bad thing. It was what it was. I’m now glad I grew up that way as I can now fix just about anything in a home and on autos. In fact I turned it into a good living as I now have my own handyman business working mostly on rental property and older people that can’t do things for them selves.

      My first car was an old cop car with a bad transmission. It had a 440 police interceptor engine that the cops had chained down to keep it from breaking the motor mounts. I ended up putting 5 transmissions in that car, (Not that I was hard on it, at least not too hard!). It was not a good car for a first car, it would do 140 MPH all day long without working too hard to go that fast. I don’t know how I lived through having it???

      I know what you mean about people and teaching them skills. I find I can’t get anyone to learn new skills. My son only wants to play on-line computer games. His starter home needs a LOT of work and he doesn’t seem to care. But he has a killer game computer. He has a car that hardly runs and mostly gets rides to work because it runs so bad. I worked on cars since I was 5-years old with my dad. My son won’t even bring it over to work on it.

  13. patientmomma says:

    What a great discussion thread ! My Christian and prepper friends and I pontificate on this frequently. Some Christian faiths believe the rapture will happen before the tribulation; others believe tribulation will happen before the rapture and still others don’t even know what it is. It’s like all the different versions of the Bible; everyone has their own favorite version.

    I have read quite a few books on this subject including those already mentioned above. One other book someone on this site recommended last year was Prophecy, The Key to the Future. It is an older book which Ieventually found on Amazon Used Book Stores. It was by far the scariest book I have read about the coming disasters. The book is not as specific in the details of when things will happen but lays out a continuum of gradually increasing world-wide natural destructions (tsunami, drought, volcanos, fires, floods, tornados, etc.,) government corruption, lack of food and water, turmoil including American internal wars. For example, water wars (already happening— states owning the rain water… Oregon?), states dividing against states (think Northern California against Southern California), cities turning into battlegrounds (think Detroit and Baltimore) and a total collapse of the American Government. Other predictions included gang and mob rule and battles for control of cities and metro areas (think LA and Detroit gangs). Throw in no border security and there is a flood of terrorists, gangs, sicknesses, etc., coming in to the USA.) Depending on your belief structure you can say these things are part of the end of times or not; but we know the Book of Revelation prophecies will occur, we just don’t know when.

    I heard a man on one of the news programs who said in his opinion, USA was already in WW3 fighting the Muslim Extremists. I guess if he counted Obama’s 60-nation coalition, it could be a world war.

    Regarding economics, IMHO Obama and the FED will continue on their current QE path until the IMF and IBS, which are controlled by the Bilderberg Group, reset the world’s top currencies. This could resolve the financial messes Europe, USA, China, Russia, Japan, etc., etc., have gotten themselves into. The poor will still get their entitlements and the rich will be tipped off and make a huge amount of money, while the middle class will carry the major losses. WHEN this will occur is a closely held secret by TPTB. JP in MT has laid out a strong possible scenario of how this could happen. If this happens before the election, Dr. Ben Carson in a fox news interview last year, stated there may not be a 2016 election due to anarchy by the American people.

    So, when will America fall? I don’t know the exact timing, but it will fall and the rest of the world will fall also. I think we are in the downward spiral now but only God knows the exact timing. Keep a prayer in your heart, stay true to your faith and prep as much as you can, as fast as you can. God bless each of you.

    • i had been taught that the antichrist will be hailed and welcomed by the people of the earth, as he promises to pull them out of the hole they are in.
      so everything will be an incredible mess and antichrist will appear as a savior.
      he will be received with open arms as a hero.
      did anyone else learn this?

      • kybelboy says:


        My understanding is The anti-Christ will come on the scene when the whole earth is in turmoil and unsaved people are looking for a strong leader to fix national as well as global problems.
        The Bible also indicates he will suffer a mortal wound to the head but recover, at which point people will worship him as God. There is also a false prophet, (religious figure) that figures into this and the two of them work together to deceive the world. Once the anti-Christ has seized power, he will make war with other nations and at some point will defile the Holy Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself God.
        Rev 13:3 One of the beast’s heads looked like it had sustained a mortal wound, but its fatal wound was healed. Rapt with amazement, the whole world followed the beast
        Rev 13:4 They worshiped the dragon because it had given authority to the beast. They also worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight a war with it?”
        Rev 13:5 The beast was allowed to speak arrogant and blasphemous things, and it was given authority for 42 months.
        Rev 13:6 It uttered blasphemies against God, against his name, and against his residence, that is, against those who are living in heaven.
        Rev 13:7 It was allowed to wage war against the saints and to conquer them. It was also given authority over every tribe, people, languages, and nation.
        Rev 13:8 All those living on earth will worship it, everyone whose name is not written in the Book of Life belonging to the lamb that was slaughtered from the foundation of the world.
        Rev 13:9 Let everyone listen:
        Rev 13:10 If anyone is to be taken captive, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with a sword, with a sword he will be killed.
        Rev 13:11 I saw another beast coming up out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it talked like a dragon.
        Rev 13:12 It uses all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and it makes the earth and those living on it worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed.
        Rev 13:13 It performs spectacular signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people.
        Rev 13:14 It deceives those living on earth with the signs that it is allowed to do on behalf of the first beast, telling them to make an image for the beast who was wounded by a sword and yet lived.
        Rev 13:15 The second beast was allowed to impart life to the image of the first beast so that the image of the beast could talk and order the execution of those who would not worship the image of the beast.
        Rev 13:16 The second beast forces all people—important and unimportant, rich and poor, free and slaves—to be marked on their right hands or on their foreheads,
        Rev 13:17 so that no one may buy or sell unless he has the mark, which is the beast’s name or the number of its name.
        Rev 13:18 In this case wisdom is needed: Let the person who has understanding calculate the total number of the beast, because it is a human total number, and the sum of the number is 666.

        The Bible has a lot to say about this subject so there is much more.

        • The first beast isn’t the Antichrist. This beast rises up out of the sea. What rises out of the sea is land. The first beast is the World Empire, based in Russian Communism, which was thought to be “dead.” That’s the mortal head wound. Surprise, the beast with the feet of a bear (a couple of Russia’s eastern peninsulas) and the mouth of a lion (where it border’s Europe) has come roaring back.

          The second beast rises out of the earth, as Adam was taken from the dust of the earth. That is the antichrist. If you’re going to be a negative mirror image of Christ you have to be humble, i.e. Don’t worship me, worship my evil empire. Of course people will start worshiping him anyway, so it’s a moot point.

  14. Secret Agent Man says:

    1. Miley Cyrus becomes a Nun.
    2. Bruce Jenner is featured on the cover of Field and Stream for his deer hunting tips.
    3. The Rev. Al Sharpton quits the race baiting business, moves to Las Vegas and becomes an Elvis impersonator.
    4. Russian troops invade Texas only to be turned back by Chuck Norris and a rusty K-bar.
    5. Joe Biden has a bright idea.
    6. Bill Clinton makes a pass at his own wife.
    7. The Pope is seen in a picture without his silly white dress but instead is wearing Jeans, Camo ball cap, and a “Git-R-Done” tee shirt.
    8. The Republican Party actually does something to preserve The Constitution.
    9. Obama has his nose pierced and starts wearing a small chicken bone through it.
    10. We find out what “M.D.” really stands for?

  15. FreeSlave says:

    In a biblical context, how long is a “season”?

    Because in answering the question of “When will SHTF occur in your humble opinion?” I think it’s in the next 5-10 years, and quite possibly the second half of this year or next year.

    I’m not predicting a day or month like the Bible says that no man knoweth the day or time, but there seems to be a convergence of multiple evidence points that make it seem like this is *the* season.

    • Free slave
      I looked it up and the best answer I have is, a little while, or short time. Like the seasons we have now. That’s what the Strong’s Greek concordance suggested. Hope that helps.

    • might consider tha5t ‘the end’ for the USA may not be the end for anywhere else.
      in WWII many germans thought they had entered the end times, and maybe it was for many of them, but not yet for us.

  16. Secret Agent Man says:

    12. Hillary Clinton confesses that she is really Karl Rove in drag.
    13. After leaving office Obola moves to Chicago and opens a gun store called “Dead Thugs”
    14. Vladimir Putin lets it slip that he is a great Disney fan and often wears his “Mickey Ears” while alone in the Kremlin.
    15. Glen beck announces that God has told him in a vision what the “M.D.” in M.D. Creedmoor stands for, then starts to cry.

  17. Secret Agent Man says:

    16. Ted Cruz gets elected President and changes our National Motto from “In God We Trust” to “Nut Up or Shut Up”.

  18. I think America has already fallen, except most people don’t realise it yet.

    Like wiley coyote from looney tunes, over the edge of a cliff and just suspended there in midair until a realises theres nothing under his feet.

    • I think the US is like Samson more than Wiley Coyote:
      “Jdg 16:18 And when Delilah saw that he had told her all his heart, she sent and called for the lords of the Philistines, saying, Come up this once, for he hath told me all his heart. Then the lords of the Philistines came up unto her, and brought the money in their hand.
      “Jdg 16:19 And she made him sleep upon her knees; and she called for a man, and shaved off the seven locks of his head; and she began to afflict him, and his strength went from him.
      “Jdg 16:20 And she said, The Philistines are upon thee, Samson. And he awoke out of his sleep, and said, I will go out as at other times, and shake myself free. [b]But he knew not that Jehovah was departed from him.[/b]
      “Jdg 16:21 And the Philistines laid hold on him, and put out his eyes;”

  19. I’ve been a prepper for about 3 yrs now. & I’ve been reading/ hearing predictions of America’s end every few mths. So I’ve given up trying to make or believe predictions of the end. My goal is to keep preparing & try to get as ready as possible.

    It reminds me of trying to predict the winner of next year’s Super Bowl. THere’s a reason that the vegas oddsmakers put odds against every single team (some more than others); it’s b/c there are simply too many variables that can change between now & the Super Bowl. & almost everything has to go right for a specific team to get to the Super Bowl.

  20. TPSnodgrass says:

    I freely admit to not having a clue, as to “when” a re-set, crash, or whatever you want to call it. However, the financial markets are indeed beyond stinking to high heaven. I do see a “bank holiday” coming, and an intentional 100-1 or something equally heinous “trade-in” of “old Federal Reserve “bills”, for “new ” Federal Reserve promissory notes”. This will be designed to basically stick it to the PRC, narco-trafficante cartels, the Arabs, our Allies and anyone else holding serious amounts of “cash”. This is why our “family savings plan” is only in an amount we feel we can afford to “lose” once the “re-structuring” happens. Everything else is in precious metals, Au, Silver, brass/lead, plus our normal preps. I’ve ZERO faith in the current leadership in the Cesspool at 1600 Pennsylvania, as well as the “leadership” of the Senate and the House. All three entities are equally culpable and responsible for this mess. I believe that this Republic IS, in God’s hands, and that His Son, Jesus Christ will return in his Glory to this Earth. This is the only nation on Earth that can protect those who need protecting as well as nourishing the children of God, spiritually, temporally . We, are the Cavalry for the world, there is not anyone else. The Good versus Evil side of the fight can only come from this Republic. We have the will to conquer Evil, the rest of the world, appears to have willingly subjugated themselves to the dark side, or, will turn butt-up in submission to evil domination. Just my opinion is all.

  21. kybelboy says:

    Gen 12:3 I’ll bless those who bless you, but I’ll curse the one who curses you, and through you all the people of the earth will be blessed.

    God has always blessed the US, even in it’s darkest hours because the US blessed Israel. No more. The above verse from Genesis is a quote from God himself about the nation of Israel. The US has always been a friend and supporter of Israel until obama took office. This was true whether a Republican or a Democrat was president. obama’s administration has reversed everything 180 degrees and it will only get worse.
    Some of you may be familiar with Pastor Mark Blitz. He is a Messianic Jew and the author of “Blood Moons”. He has done much research into the “signs in the heavens” related to the last days as well as authored the book, “Blood Moons” about those signs. His unique perspective is one of a Jew who acknowledges Jesus Christ as the Messiah and worships him as such. This is Pastor Marks opinion of a recent Supreme Court decision and the consequences he expects.

    “This week the U.S. Supreme Court agreed with the State Department that Jerusalem is not in Israel! This is a final straw of judgment for America and I’ll tell you why.
    The child in the case was born in West Jerusalem, which has always been considered in Israel unlike East Jerusalem. This ruling reveals, clearly and forever, that it is US foreign policy that no part of Jerusalem is part of Israel. AS far as US policy is concerned, Jerusalem isn’t in Israel.
    This is why, the day after the ruling, a State Department spokesperson refused to name even West Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. So now ‘no Jerusalem for the Jewish people’ is official US foreign policy.

    There are three Jews on the Supreme Court that voted against saying Jerusalem was a part of Israel because they were afraid of the ” political Giants” around the world.
    Well this weekend’s torah portion, read all over the world in every synagogue “just so happens” to be “Shelach” the very story about the spies that brought the bad report, making a horrible judgment call, because they feared the giants in the land. God told them Israel was theirs for the taking and a horrible disaster came resulting in having to wander for 40 yrs in the desert.
    The Jewish sages have always said history is lived out in some way in each of the torah portions!
    I agree with Chief Justice Roberts dissenting opinion when he stated that ” Never before has this Court accepted a President’s direct defiance of an Act of Congress in the field of foreign affairs..”

    Also Justice Scalia hit the nail on the head when he said in his dissenting opinion, “It is certain that, in the long run, it will erode the structure of separated powers that the People established for the protection of their liberty.”

    Here is my next point:
    Congress passed the act declaring that Jerusalem was a part of Israel for passport issuance in 2002, the first year of the new seven-year cycle after the Shemittah in 2001. Now we are in the closing 7th year of that shemittah cycle and we are about to begin the first year of a new cycle this September. This could be the United States entering a judgment cycle like never before. Especially since this July 4th we celebrate our independence and gaining freedom from our oppressors is also the 17th of Tammuz, the same day Israel worshipped the golden calf. And it just so happens in 1776 the 4th of July also fell on the 17th of Tammuz. I believe judgment will fall on this nation this coming fall through 2016 as a result of operating out of fear and rejecting that any of Jerusalem is in the nation of Israel!”

    • i had no idea that the ‘supreme’ court had stuck its nose into Jerusalem’s business!
      saw nothing in the news at any time.

  22. Chuck Findlay says:

    The truth is that none of us know when it will happen, even the experts don’t know. We all know the situation is ripe for a fall but it’s been ripe since the 1980’s and the experts have been saying any moment for years.

    This coming September is a time frame that has been slated to be the big event, but who knows???

    I think all of us are amazed it hasn’t already fallen apart.

    I prep and at the same time enjoy life. It comes when it comes…

  23. messenger says:

    Nuclear destruction will occur before economic collapse in America. The bible absolutely guarantees it. If the stock market is going to collapse in September then you’ll see the mushroom clouds in August. This is just biblical fact. Ref: In Revelation the ship masters are crying and lamenting for the fall of the Daughter of Babylon because she made them rich by reason of her costliness. So let’s get to the point, how can they be crying for losing their riches if they are already gone in a economical collapse. Honestly, if you are waiting on a collapse of the economy then you are wasting your time. Something much, much more horrible is coming. Something the human mind is not and never can be ready to accept. Gold, Silver, and Precious Metals will do you about as much good in a post nuclear environment as looking for pearls inside acorns. NYC was the original Capital City of America, not DC, but today NYC is the undisputed hub of international commerce and it will be nuked, then and only then does the American economy wave bye bye. It’s that simple and if you are not already prepped with gobs and gobs of food, water, and the ability to defend yourself then you should definitely start enjoying life with what little time you have left. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are about to be revisited a hundredfold and an ocean away. God bless all of you, but you need to prep as never before, if it is not already too late. This is not a scare tactic, it is reality. thanks

    • JP in MT says:


      Your theory only holds if you believe that America has a place in the End Times. Personally, I feed we will be “out of the picture” before the final chapter truly begins.

      • kybelboy says:


        I agree with you that America does not seem to have a part in the last days, but right now we are the only game in town. Something has to change that…

        • JP in MT says:


          I personally feel that things will “pick u speed” as and after the US fails. Right now, as incompetent as we are, we still act as a brake for a lot of international things.

      • messenger says:

        America’s ending begins with Daniel Chapter 11 vs. 40. Just read the remainder of the chapter starting at vs. 40 and we can plainly see that America’s destruction ushers in the period of the Great Tribulation. There is not a pretrib rapture anywhere in the bible so let us prepare to go through it. thanks

      • FreeSlave says:

        Hi JP in MT,

        Just for the sake of providing another viewpoint, not necessarily one that I subscribe to myself, there are some thinkers who believe that America is “the daughter of Babylon.” I first read this argument at prepperchurch.com.


        • kybelboy says:


          I have seen the “Daughter of Babylon” presentation and it makes much more sense than Daniel 11:40-45, which I believe is about the nation of Israel, Persia. (Iran) and the Anti-Christ. No one knows for sure of course, but it is quite a stretch to attribute the US to that portion of Daniel, especially if you read from Daniel 10:1 through 12:13. I do subscribe to the Pre-Trib rapture. There is precedence in the Bible, (Elijah, Enoch) Scripture supports it.

          1. Enoch
          Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
          Enoch was Noah’s great grandfather. Enoch never died. He was carried away alive into heaven to be with God. Enoch walked with God. That means that Enoch knew God and talked with him. That is what we must to to be carried away alive into heaven.
          2. Elijah
          2Ki 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
          The prophet Elijah never died. He too was carried away alive to be with God. Elijah will return to earth before Jesus’ second coming at the end of the Tribulation period (Mat 17:11).

          There are also other people who may have been raptured. It is unclear if they were caught away in body or spirit alone. They include the prophet Isaiah (Isa 6:1), the prophet Ezekiel (Eze 1), the apostle Paul (2Co 12:2-4), and the apostle John (Rev 4:1-2). as well as Jesus (Acts 1:3, Acts 1:9) and Phillip (Act 8:39-40)

  24. idahobob says:

    we are the “frog-in-the-boiling-water”. We have been dying for many,many years, and not many people really care because we have been effectively neutered as a culture. Integrity has no meaning in elected offices, and “truth” is a foriegn concept. When “IT” finally happens………the only thing I can do……….is to make sure ,as many as possible of our true enemies”, are eliminated. I think GOD would agree…..and I would be judged accordingly…… Americas decline brings tears to my eyes…I really mean that!

  25. look&lern says:

    Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that for one hell of a long time there has not been anyone to vote FOR? Everyone has been voting against this party or that party or this political ad or that one.

    O’Scamma has successfully pitted the blacks against the whites, the poor against the cops, used every instance of a firearm being discharged as a “crime against the people”, and forced useless crap like “O’Scamma Care” down everyone’s throats.

    When will this country fail? Look closely, people. Divide and conquer works quite well. This country has been a subject of dividing for a very long time. In what manners? The haves, the have-nots, and those that finance the haves. We are quite close to the point where the haves have just about everything and don’t need those that finance the them. The have-nots have grown to the point where any promise of a ‘better life’ will get all of their support (read votes). Now, for the progression to failure.

    Devalue the dollar. Let’s say to 1/10 of face value (JP has a good vision). The have-nots still don’t have squat, the financers are now breaking even with the have-nots, and the haves still have so much they don’t care. To get rid of those that can ‘spoil the plan’, have the devaluation hit just before winter. No food, no heat, no problem. September sounds good. Two/three months of people going crazy, four to six months of people freezing and getting hungry, then ‘the gov’ment saviors’ coming in with tons of expired MRE’s for whomever is left. (Remember, it took FEMA 91 days to get of their useless butts after Katrina to get bottled water to the thirsty.)

    You know……those jerks up there in DC probably think that this will work. And O’Scamma will, in the mean time, come up with another EO and proclaim himself “Savior”. Ten times a day we will be required to bow to the north-east. Not me. I can last beyond next spring and have enough to grow food to go longer, and be a royal PITA to those jerks.

    I say September is a focal point for the NWO (insert terminology for offspring of non-married mammals.) Going by several nay-saying web sites, the month of September is a focal point for a lot of things.

    As indicated above…..I’m ready. R U?

    • Yup, the great unholy Obummer has certainly used his community agitator skills. That’s all he knows.

    • Chuck Findlay says:

      (O’Scamma has successfully pitted the blacks against the whites, the poor against the cops)

      I think the cops have pretty much pitted everyone against them.

      They serve the government and not the people any more.

  26. Crazy Joe says:


    As for the title of this article , Jimmy crack corn and I …..

    The MOST important thing all of you can do is network now . have a network , work within it , have that support now . If the ride gets bumpy it will shake out the fakers . Always look for the Cream of the Crop . If you are not the Cream Rising to the Top then do not expect those folks to bother with you . If you are the Cream then stay away from the lessor folks . Network . Crazy Joe in South Jersey .

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