What I Did to Prep This Week

What I Did To Prep This Week – Week 24 – Dec 9th – Dec 15th 2018

prep week 24

We are into intellectual prepping and gift-giving prepping this week. Or at least that is what I am dubbing it. The weather outside is frightful, so I am not going to be doing any more outdoor chores than are unnecessary. The newest members of the flock are doing well with their free range training.

While the ducks love all the mud puddles, I am beyond tired of them. The ground is now hardened – and all of the ruts are so joyous to walk over when toting water or packing feed bags to the barn…sarcasm intended.

ducks on the frozen winter homestead

Yesterday early am I went outside dressed in copious amounts of layers and a goofy hat this is incredibly warm, thinking absolutely no one would see me – but of course, that is when the propane delivery guy decide to come fill the tank at our daughter’s cabin. Oh well, I was warm and married and got over what the cute young delivery guy thought about my attire rather quickly.

We had a Christmas party in an adjacent county with my family this past weekend and will have a Christmas party in the county with Bobby’s family this weekend and then play host to our youngest grandson fourth birthday party. Colt is a Christmas morning baby, but his party is obviously a bit early.

All these parties might not sound like prepping opportunities, but they are…can be…should be. I use every opportunity possible to try to infuse more self-reliance into the lives of those we love – even the tots.

We made hanging herb and indoor small crop hanging vertical planters as gifts for some relatives this year. I used the same design to make hanging portable no-tech dollhouses for some little girls in the family. I believe that providing toys made out of natural materials and require imagination and muscles to play with will help children become more independent and less reliant and addiction to technology – and more eager to play outdoors and figure out how to do things on their own.

To make the hanging planters (which came complete with non-GMO heirloom seeds) we used wood that was cute and milled on our own land – saving money is also a solid prepping activity, right? We made some of the vertical growing planters out of old barn wood.

vertical wooden growing planters

I did spend some time out in the cold harvesting river birch (or paper birch, if you prefer) to increase our stockpile of bark flour. You can’t completely replace the flour in recipes with bark flour, but you can supplement a recipe with it and therefore preserve your conventional flour.

bark bread

A necessary small part came in for our broken down 4-wheeler. It took way longer than normal, probably because of all the online Christmas shopping, but it is finally back up and running. I prefer the wheeler to the Polaris Ranger for going deep into our woods because it can weave in and out through the dense tree areas far easier – which is really handy when checking the fence line.

Our intellectual prepping is focused mostly on our post-Christmas activities. Things are a lot slower around the survival homestead during the winter, which gives us ample time to do inventory, make more shelf-stable home remedies, learn new things, and hone our winter foraging skills.

Oh, and “build in our heads.” We did this a lot before we found our dream survival land. Sitting at the table near the warm and crackling fire we tend to sip on an adult beverage and ponder, write, and draw what we want to build, repair, dig, etc. come decent weather.

The “to do” list is usually all completed before it turns cold again, but some projects get moved down on the list when equipment issues or fencing needs take priority.

Well, that’s about it for my preps this week – so onto the questions!

  1. Have you ever harvested bark to make flour or other edible uses? Please share your experiences.
  2. Do you garden indoors during the winter?
  3. What are your deep winter post-Christmas prepping plans?
  4. And……what did you do to prep this week?

Tara Dodrill

About Tara Dodrill

Tara Dodrill is a homesteading and survival journalist and author. She lives on a small ranch with her family in Appalachia. She has been both a host and frequent guest on preparedness radio shows. In addition to the publication of her first book, 'Power Grid Down: How to Prepare, Survive, and Thrive after the Lights go Out', Dodrill also travels to offer prepping tips and hands-on training and survival camps and expos.
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119 thoughts on “What I Did To Prep This Week – Week 24 – Dec 9th – Dec 15th 2018

  1. Hi Tara & all,
    I don’t know that I would call the weather frightful, since here we’re still having temperatures in the 35-50° range with 1.5 inches of rain in the last 24 hours, Had that been snow

    When you state:

    Oh well, I was warm and married and got over what the cute young delivery guy thought about my attire rather quickly., it would have been much more frightful from my perspective.

    I think that sums up most rural married couples. I had to impress the girls once upon a time; but, after 36 years of marriage, I just want to be thought of as clean and honest, since that’s all that really matters in the end.
    We have no paper birch around here; but, I wish we did, since it is some of the best natural fire starting tinder around. Birch can also be tapped like maples for their sap to make very light & tsaty syrup.

    We did this a lot before we found our dream survival land. Sitting at the table near the warm and crackling fire we tend to sip on an adult beverage and ponder, write, and draw what we want to build, repair, dig, etc. come decent weather.

    We did this a lot back before we owned this place; but, since a homestead is usually not a static thing, there is always planning and dreams for the future.

    Have you ever harvested bark to make flour or other edible uses? Please share your experiences.
    No, but I have used both the root and pollen of cattails and made pine needle tea. Birch bark as well as the bark of the Shagbark Hickory; however, make great fire components.

    Do you garden indoors during the winter?
    Perhaps a few herbs; but, this year we’re trying to overwinter a few things in the new green house as we learn to use it.

    )What are your deep winter post-Christmas prepping plans? )
    We plan to add some wiring to the summer kitchen area to provide dedicated outlets for the Freeze Dryer, Dehydrator, and the stainless table that has the George Foreman Grill, the Kitchenaid stand mixer, the Blendtec grain mill and other things requiring power on occasion. Also reworking my ham shack to add and integrate new equipment and clean up all of the wiring.

    And……what did you do to prep this week?

    This past week we did and acquired the following:
    1. Attended our County EMA Christmas party. These are the volunteers we work with off and on all year, and the one real time our families get to interact.
    • Some of these volunteer members are also preppers and one who is a good friend told me about a reputable site where he has been acquiring human antibiotics, and not relying on Fish-Mox. https://www.alldaychemist.com/ Before anyone asks about legality, I have a good friend who is an E.R. Doc who tells me that purchasing antibiotics and stockpiling them is not a problem. For narcotics, like Oxycodone; however, you need a script and need to keep the medication in a bottle with your name on it.
    2. Almost There & I have interacted for a few years and she turned me on to the Mr. Buddy 30,000 BTU Blue Flame heater a while back when she was considering getting one. The unit may be installed either free standing or wall mounted, and I opted to wall mount mine.; but, we never disposed of the feet. She got hers used, without the feet and needed them, so we shipped what we had to her, so hopefully by the time this is being read, she has a new toasty backup heat source running and her power is back on.
    3. Read an interesting article on A.I. (Artificial Intelligence) that is both interesting and perhaps a bit scary.
    ”In Just 4 Hours, Google’s AI Mastered All The Chess Knowledge in History” that may be found @ https://www.sciencealert.com/it-took-4-hours-google-s-ai-world-s-best-chess-player-deepmind-alphazero
    • Which references this more academic document: ”Mastering Chess and Shogi by Self-Play with a General Reinforcement Learning Algorithm” @ https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.01815.pdf
    • The world is getting better; but, we need to constrain how these A.I. systems interact with humans, lest they take over from an inferior species.
    4. On Tuesday I had an interesting experience I don’t quite remember. I was watching TV and trying to catch a nap, and awakened in the local hospital Emergency Department. They did a head CT and sent me to Columbus to the Ohio State University medical center. I remember the ride in the squad to OSU and passed all of the cognitive and strength (stroke) tests while there. My transport via squad from home to the local E D , plus all of the questions my DW asked prior to calling the squad and the CT done at the local E D are simply a blank. At the E D I remember my good friend and fellow EMA member being there along with my DW and everything after that. After another trip from the local E D to OSU via squad and a reevaluation they sent us home about 2:00 AM and we arrived home around 3:30 AM. They think I had what is called TGA (Transient Global Amnesia) where you experience a sudden, temporary episode of memory loss that can’t be attributed to a more common neurological condition, such as epilepsy or stroke. During an episode of TGA, your recall of recent events simply vanishes, so you can’t remember where you are or how you got there. It’s kind of like someone just took about a 3-4 hour slice out of my memory and tossed it out; but, I am not otherwise impaired by the event.
    5. Added 20 more rolls of TP to the stock
    6. We received documents from the Socialist Insecurity (err. Social Security) Administration indicating that we will see a 2.8% increase in our benefits starting next month (January 2019),. I still can’t believe I’m already writing 2019. Our total additional income will amount to an unexpected extra $104.00 per month.
    7. While sitting at the computer in my office / lab / radio shack / fortress of solitude with the DW, ordering Christmas gifts, I had a thought about a ”science fiction” story I read as a kid. “The Machine Stops” by E. M. Forster was written in 1928 and actually had a good grasp on the lifestyle of nearly 100 years in the future, where people sit in their “room”, communicating with others all over the world using their view screens, keyboards, and microphones, and having their needs met by ordering “things: that simply show up.. It’s an eerie look at a dystopian future, that could still happen. You can read it here: http://www.ele.uri.edu/faculty/vetter/Other-stuff/The-Machine-Stops.pdf
    8. Another support activity for a MAG member who posts here as BLACK). His mother is working with her young grandson who has mild Cerebral Palsy and they want a simple exercise to force him to use both hands. BLACK is a fellow ham radio operator and knowing my geeky background and disposition, he asked if I have an old dial telephone around. I of course still have several of them, and I’m now working on a simple circuit to provide dial tone to that old phone, to make it more realistic for that young boy. Preps can sometimes come in ways we had not previously imagined. When he came to pick up the phone he unexpectedly brought me 4 pints of local honey. Counting the honey I still have on hand from my own hives from 4 years ago, I now have nearly 2 gallons on hand and it keeps forever.
    9. Decluttering: Hauled some electronic scrap to the local computer store for recycling & the last of the old SLA/AGM Gel Cell batteries to the county recycling facility. We now have more floor space in our sun room that I suspect we will eventually fill with something, LOL.

      1. mom of three,

        TOP, I’m glad everything is tip top with your health very scary reading what you wrote

        In my lifetime I have spent as many as 12 hours deep inside a cave, 160 feet deep in the ocean, hundreds of feet up, climbing the face of a cliff, and jumped out of perfectly good aircraft; but, I have to admit that this was perhaps the oddest and spookiest thing that I’ve ever experience.
        While it was a bit spooky in retrospect, I woke up in the local E.D. where I have been before, with my DW and good friend at my side and was not experiencing any pain. For a moment it was like something we have all experienced, when you are a bit disoriented after waking from a nap; except, I did not shake it off and remember the preceding events.
        My DW and others have filled in the hours I’m missing, and discussion with doctors and research on the Internet on the “condition” basically says that it’s something not likely to happen again, nor leave any lasting artifacts, other than my curiosity about what may have caused it. It’s one of those events that occurs that the medical community has no real handle on the cause, and it’s simply the list of symptoms that add up to a diagnosis.

    1. Hey OP, Your TGA or whatever it was sounds very frightening. I had not previously heard of that. There are just too many things about the human body doctors do not know.
      Six days before my lung transplant, DW collapsed in the hall of our home. Her knees buckled, butt hit the tile floor, she fell back, hitting her head on the floor. A large pool of blood from the back of her head. It required two staples and seven stitches to close the gash and none of the doctors can tell us what caused her to pass out that way. Anyway, I am glad you have recovered and hope that is the last of that.

      1. William Thompson,

        A lot of members and relatives doing the DFO (done fell out) lately. #1 daughter had an MRI to find out why she had such agonizing abdominal pain that she had to DFO as well. From my paramedic days, we called those diagnoses “I dunno.”

        Well, they don’t call it “practicing medicine” for nothing.

      2. William Thompson,

        Hey OP, Your TGA or whatever it was sounds very frightening. I had not previously heard of that.

        It is called ”Transient Global Amnesia and I actually wasn’t frightened, since most of it was over and done prior to me realizing what happened. I had also never heard of it; but, the neurologist told me what it was, based solely on the description of my DW and me. Like your lung problem, it is Idiopathic (meaning they have no idea what causes it); but, it is also rare, unlikely to occur again, and has left no artifacts, other than a good story to tell.

        There are just too many things about the human body doctors do not know. Six days before my lung transplant, DW collapsed in the hall of our home. Her knees buckled, butt hit the tile floor, she fell back, hitting her head on the floor. A large pool of blood from the back of her head. It required two staples and seven stitches to close the gash and none of the doctors can tell us what caused her to pass out that way.

        I have only passed out once some years ago; but, I had been ill and was rather dehydrated. They told me that it was most likely a Vasovagal incident, also known as Vasovagal syncope that occurs when you faint because your body overreacts to /certain triggers, such as the sight of blood or extreme emotional distress. It may also be called neurocardiogenic syncope. The vasovagal syncope trigger causes your heart rate and blood pressure to drop suddenly and you simply faint. I was in cardiac rehab at the time, used the rest room and started to wash my hands. I woke up lying on the floor surrounded by the exercise physiologists who had been alerted by the fall sensor in the remote 3-lead ECG I was wearing.
        If your DW was overly stressed by your condition and upcoming procedure, that could have been a trigger event.

    2. TOP,

      I guess if there is anything good about that episode, you were sitting down at the time. Who knows what might have happened to your balance too. Falls at our age are not good things. I was reading somewhere that falls are the leading reason elderly people have to go into nursing homes.

      Glad you’re OK now even if you had to go to OSU to be seen. 🙂

      1. Zulu 3-6,

        I guess if there is anything good about that episode, you were sitting down at the time. Who knows what might have happened to your balance too. Falls at our age are not good things. I was reading somewhere that falls are the leading reason elderly people have to go into nursing homes.

        Actually I was standing and walking through most of it, including walking out to the Squad / Ambulance / Bus. Balance has been one of the few things that haven’t affected me; but, I’ve been roller skating off & on for 60 odd years and have been involved in martial arts for more than 50 years, and the very first thing you learn in martial arts is balance and how to safely fall. And I’m not yet, ”Elderly.” / LOL
        I mentioned Squad / Ambulance / Bus, since around here we call it the (Emergency) Squad; but, I was talking with Sirius last night, and when I mentioned Squad he was confused, since where he lives in California, police drive the Squad, the EMS folks drive the
        ”RA” (Rescue Ambulance), and from watching “Law and Order” they are always calling for a Bus,>/strong> I guess it’s a regional thing.

        Glad you’re OK now even if you had to go to OSU to be seen.

        Unfortunately, OSU is all too familiar, since I see numerous specialists there, who are pretty much keeping me ticking. I’m not quite to the $6,000,000 mark yet; but, slowly working on it. LOL.

    3. TOP, you should have been resting and not trying to get on here to be first. LOL

      Take care my friend and take it easy for awhile.

      1. Thor1,
        you should have been resting and not trying to get on here to be first. LOL
        This incident happened last Tuesday afternoon into Wednesday morning, so I have had more than enough time to rest. In fact, I was up for several hours waiting for Tara’s initial post.
        Take care my friend and take it easy for awhile.
        Since I’ve retired, it seems like all I do is take it easy. Hoping to start exercising and doing Tai Chi next month.

    4. TOP
      Glad I happen to check this site to see what was happening.

      Good to hear you are doing better, but I feel for your wife & friend not knowing what was happening to you. Stay healthy we need your knowledge.

  2. Thor1,
    Actually I’m not sure you’re first. I posted about an hour ago, and received the subscribe email; but, so far nothing has shown up. This has happened before and I think it’s some kind of problem with the server end. In any case, being first only means you get the email from every other post and don’t have to sort through as much of the site to keep up.

      1. Thor1,

        TOP, maybe Hillary will bleach it or smash it with a hammer……LOL

        I think HRC is finally out of the game. She’s made some comments about 2020 and many of her fellow Dems are disrespecting her and trying to shut her up. I think HRC vs. Trump would be another fun matchup; but, I think there may be real competition against her this time, since she really screwed the pooch that last time around, and hasn’t gotten any better; but, is still feeling entitled.

          1. Or Eric Holder, I don’t recall, I don’t recall, I don’t recall, I don’t remember……I don’t know, I don’t know, I don’t know……..

  3. We’ve been having a lot of wind in the PNW, I’m all batten down outside. Now that we’re on our break from school, it’s time for baking cookies this week.

    I need to make a list of Refrigerator items that I’m running out of . We did pick up 12 can’s of chili, and 6 can’s of Corn beef hash, my pantry is pretty well Stocked up.

    My mother in law, is getting worse her family, still goes and See’s her she still won’t go to a Doctor, they drop food off to her but until something bad happens we are stuck.

    1 No I’ve never made anything out of bark.
    2. I bring in my herb plants, to keep them from dying and to use them.
    3. Great question Deep winter prepping : Making plans for next year, getting stuff sold and putting the money, away for our 2nd property getting ready to put module home, on it I don’t like modules home’s, but we’re finding it’s the easiest and cheapest way to have a home without going into debt, or have a house payment, with our home sitting at a pretty penny, it’s time to leave the city.

  4. Puppy is running like crazy and getting all muddy with all the rain. He eats his food in his bowl in half. I mean he cuts a straight line down the center of the bowl. Einstein !!! LOL

    Been hearing a lot of chatter about a coming blackout and collapse. I hope these people are wrong but who knows.

    Been focusing on food ,water ammo and getting hard cold cash in hand.

    Hit the gym to get in better shape for the new year and the Apocalypse…… LOL

    Questions.

    1 No never made flour.
    2 I am growing celery, avocado trees and romaine lettuce.
    3 Working out and getting ready.

    My questions.

    1 Do you think a major war will breakout soon?
    2 Do you think a grid down will happen soon?

    1. Thor1

      1. It has already started in Ukraine… It’s only a matter of time before all this plays out and we stick our nose where it doesn’t belong. Then Russia and China will come after us here…. It’s not looking good at all.

      Did you listen to DarkMatters from Friday?

    2. Thor1,
      My questions.

      1 Do you think a major war will breakout soon?
      You would have to define Major since there are continuous skirmishes going on all of the time, all over the world.
      2 Do you think a grid down will happen soon?
      Once again you need to define it. I received a call on the radio tonight from a friend who lives only 5.6 miles from me and uses the same power cooperative. His power had been out for more than an hour and mine was still on. In any case my generator is still working fine, although it’s due for some routine maintenance that we’ll do in the next few weeks.

    3. Thor1,

      Been hearing a lot of chatter about a coming blackout and collapse. I hope these people are wrong but who knows.

      Where are you hearing this chatter and who are “these people”?
      All of our local EMA and first responders are pretty much doing normal training and our alert levels have not been elevated, so other than normal preparedness, nothing special is going on.

  5. Hi Gang,

    Yesterday, I went to a meetup where I gave a presentation on honey. Everyone liked it, and they said they learned a few things along the way. Some of us brought a few snacks and drinks to have a sort of party… I also brought in my Mr Heater to show them what I was doing for heat if the electric went out. We will be starting our monthly meetups again and even take some field trips. There were 4 new people, so that was good. I need to pick up another HAM radio for one of the new people. We have a veterinarian in the group, who lives up my way, and so we exchanged numbers, and he gave me his address and home phone number in case I needed to leave in a hurry. His wife does hydroponics. I also asked him some questions about my sick kitty, since it’s his office that I took her to for her stomach issues. There was another guy there that works for the BFI group, where people throw away propane tanks. He has 7 right now, and I need some more… I would like to have quite a few on hand for the new heat set up. So, I will take those and swap them for filled ones. Score!

    My brother told me to get a “T” connector so I can also hook up my camp stove, so I will also be able to cook if the power goes out. So, off to Lowe’s I go, and the guy that helped me before was there, and he found 2 pieces that will work for the set up. Thanks to TOP for sending me his “feet” from his heater that he mounted on the wall. I bought my heater used, and it was used on the wall and came with no “feet” so now it can sit on the floor. I will be sending him some blueberry lemon concentrate in exchange… My brother is asking for a pic of the set up… ARGH! So, will work on today and get that sent for proof of concept… Lol.

    Found another comforter to add to the stash. Gotta get it washed up. Bought some drinking glasses and 2 older platters. The good restaurant stuff. Nice and thick, that can go in the oven if needed. 2 more crates, some warm tops I will wash up and send to my SIL since she stays freezing all year round.

    Friend from meetup group came up last Sunday. We worked in the food room so I can get more stuff in there, got everything dated. Gave her my 11 pints of carrots yesterday that are the small mini carrots everyone likes. I found out that they do not can well. The one pint I opened and used did not taste good. Come to find out, they have a chemical sprayed on them. They will be feeding them to their chickens and I will need to get some regular ones to can.

    We’ve had lots of rain this week, and was cold and dreary most of the week. Finally sun is shining through a little today. Hoping there’s more of it later today.

    Prayers for those needing healing, unspoken requests, for the President and America.

    Would like to share something from Glynda… We need to pray for the President.

    http://wingsofprophecy.blogspot.com/2018/12/disobedience.html?mc_cid=e6357a84e5&mc_eid=18df89d109

    Have you ever harvested bark to make flour or other edible uses? Please share your experiences. No.

    Do you garden indoors during the winter? No

    What are your deep winter post-Christmas prepping plans? I plan on canning most of the meat in the freezers, dehydrating, and making stuff with the fruit. Want to get them cleaned out and not as stuffed as they are now in case of a power outage. I really want to sell both of those upright freezers, and get one that is upright, frost-free, and that is larger than the biggest one I have now. The larger freezer is older and not frost free. It’s time to defrost…

    Have a great week everyone!

    1. Almost There,

      I really want to sell both of those upright freezers, and get one that is upright, frost-free, and that is larger than the biggest one I have now. The larger freezer is older and not frost free. It’s time to defrost.

      From my 40+ odd years of working with both upright and chest freezers, I would highly recommend you look at a chest freezer instead of an upright. When you fill any empty space with containers partly filled of water. That water will freeze and help keep everything cold in a power outage. During a power outage you can still open the freezer and get things out with little or no loss of cold, since the cold just sis there instead of falling out to the floor like it does in an upright.
      BTW, glad to hear you got the heater feet and hope you can get everything working before and if we get any really cold weather. Here we just got 1.5 inches of rain in the past few days, so it’s likely to be a “Brown” Christmas” due to all of the mud.
      A chest freezer does require a bit more inventory management; but, I think they are well worth the effort for the energy savings.

      1. TOP,

        I know the chest freezer’s are probably better at keeping things cold, but I am short, and I don’t like digging down into the bottom to get stuff out. I would most likely need a step-stool..

        1. Almost There,

          I know the chest freezer’s are probably better at keeping things cold, but I am short, and I don’t like digging down into the bottom to get stuff out. I would most likely need a step-stool..

          I don’t know what you call short; but, at 5’ 6” ‘ish the DW and I are no giants, and we do use a step stool, LOL We also use stepstools (some with more than one step) to reach things on our shelving units and kitchen cupboards.
          When you are short, you learn to adapt & overcome, LOL.

          1. Babycatcher,

            But ya gotta be careful you don’t fall in and can’t get out, since you are by yourself. That would not be good!

            I think that’s being a bit to over cautious, and if you are being that cautious, you should also not use stairs or step stools. The lip of my 16 ft3 chest freezer is only 32 inches off the floor, and if you should happen to fall in, which is highly unlikely, you could simply stand up and climb back out.

          2. I’m 5’2″, and have balance issues. So getting on a step stool and bending over puts me in a tail spin. So, I don’t want to risk it. Safety first.

          3. Almost There,

            I’m 5’2″, and have balance issues. So getting on a step stool and bending over puts me in a tail spin. So, I don’t want to risk it. Safety first

            My DW is only 5’4″ and has balance issues; but, the lip is only 32 inches off the floor and with very little leaning from the floor she (and I)can reach just about everything with no trouble.
            I just measured it to be sure.
            Youmight try to check one out that’s empty from the floor of your local Home Depot, Lowes, or appliance store. You may be pleasantly surprised..

  6. I did my low-carb grocery shopping this week. Added a little to my stash.

    #1 daughter starts her full-time orders at her reserve unit on Monday. She gets along well with everyone there, except for one chief master sergeant who is retiring anyway. Guess whose spot #1 is filling?

    I bought a nylon tactical vest. Nice piece of kit except for one thing, I’m still too fat to wear it. I think if I drop another ten pounds or so, it will work. #1 daughter and hubby came over to drop my little monster girl off while they go to my ex-sister-in-law’s funeral. I showed her the vest and she is pretty certain she can add some nylon strapping and fix it, so my fat body can fit into it.

    I also finally got around to buying a white light for my M&P-15. I wish we had some of these toys when I was still in the military. We did have lights for our subguns and shotguns on the police SWAT team (Streamlights). But they were fixed as part of the foregrip.

    My ex-sister-in-law’s funeral was yesterday. The medical examiner determined the cause of death as a plain old-fashioned heart attack. She did have a trace of some drugs in her system, but not nearly enough to cause an overdose.

    Tara’s Questions:
    1. Nope, never used bark for anything except kindling.
    2. Not growing anything. No place for it.
    3. Winter preps – continuing my diet and starting to exercise on my stationary bike.
    4. This week’s preps – see above.

    Thor1’s Questions

    1. Major war breakout? I don’t think it will be a major war. There might be a clash between major countries (i.e., the US, China, maybe Russia), but I don’t think it will be a WWII type of war. The US and Israel is making Russia look weak in Syria. Russian “mercenary” units being annihilated by US troops, top-of-the line Russian anti-aircraft systems being blasted by the Israeli air force without problems. China is cranky over those islands in the South China Sea, although I don’t know what they could realistically do to stop the US, Taiwan, and Japan from laying waste to them. Any revenge would, by necessity, be after the fact. Vietnam might even chip in to help too. No love lost between Vietnam and China for centuries. Not to mention the last time China attacked Vietnam, they got their clocks cleaned by a very experienced Vietnamese Army fresh from fighting against the US.

    2. Grid down situation. This is always a possibility from several directions. One, simply from the sun in a large Carrington event. Possibly an EMP from one of our upset trade partners (i.e. China). Some coordinated attacks on electrical infrastructure by our peaceful Islamic friends. Who knows and hard to tell.

    1. Z36, isn’t the vest one size fits all? LOL

      Hope you’re right about all the crap going on, but I think it’s more dangerous than we think.

      1. Thor1,

        Z36, isn’t the vest one size fits all? LOL

        This comment reminds me of a story of the recruit who arrived at basic training and was given his equipment and uniform. He put it all on and the D.I. asked him how it fit. “Perfect fit” said the recruit, at which point the D.I responded, “My god man, you’re deformed”. One size fits all? LOL.

    2. Zulu 3-6,
      When my now retired Army kid sister was in Thailand doing Intel for SOC PAC, she borrowed one of those tactical vests and a tactical holster with integrated Magazine pouches, and had one of the local shops make a copy. It’s amazingly like the real thing for a lot less money. I guess those shops can copy nearly any article of clothing or clothing like gear. My problem is that it’s too large for me. Too bad we don’t live closer, since there might be a good compromise, LOL.

      1. TOP,

        Yeah, the Thais are really good at reverse engineering that stuff and creating quality goods. I spent a week in Bangkok on R&R and had a really good time. Friends of mine who had been in the Green Berets and Marine recon units generally got their Tiger Stripe fatigues from Thailand as quality was much better and the Thais could duplicate American sizes a lot better than the Vietnamese.

  7. Thor1’s questions:

    1. Do you think a major war will breakout soon? No. Why would “they”. If it’s against us, just wait, we’ll take ourselves out of the game soon enough.

    2. Do you think a grid down will happen soon? Now this is the $64,000 question. Infrastucture problems reveiled in CA. Other issues showing up. Increased demand but no increased capacity. Commercial wind and solar shown to be non-cost-effective. Then there’s the military aspect; if done right the majority of the population will never know who caused it. The dead won’t care.

    Tara’s Questions:
    1. Have you ever harvested bark to make flour or other edible uses? Never even knew about it.

    2. Do you garden indoors during the winter? No, space issues.

    3. What are your deep winter post-Christmas prepping plans? We are spending our time sorting/shifting/divesting/reprioritizing our prep supplies.

    And……what did you do to prep this week?

    More sorting/inventorying/moving of supplies. 3 more projects completed (only a dozen or so more to go).

    I wanted a small laser printer for shows. (There was a price reduction on the HP 15W, so I grabbed one. It is nice and small.) Picked up an MTM magazine case for the AR10 mags. I ordered an upgrade/replacement for my SR556, a takedown SR556; then today (Sunday) I found a home for the old one!

    1. JP, interesting comments on questions. Interesting on the breakdown SR556. I thought all AR15s were kind of breakdowns after pulling 2 pins. 😀

      1. Thor1:

        Yes and know. This one breaks down into lower receiver, barrel, and upper/forearm. Actually smaller overall length means it will fit completely in my pack, where my “standard” AR would not.

  8. I am finally getting back on track. I went back to taekwondo this week. I ran a winter clothing drive for the homeless coalition. The office lady from the coalition came and picked up seven trash bags of clothing and bedding.

    All Christmas gifts are wrapped but we can’t put them under the tree yet because we have cats. I don’t grow anything inside for the very same reason–they would become cat toys. But living in Florida, we can do winter gardens–salad greens, cabbage, celery. I didn’t do a garden this winter. I just didn’t have time for it.

    I quit one job–a job that required me to drive an hour and a half there and back three times a year. I picked up another job. We may have to do a six hour round-trip dive to fill out the new-hire paperwork but the rest of it will be online.

    Deep winter prepping: I live in Florida. We don’t really have a winter. We have a couple of weeks with weather in the 60s and a half dozen near-freezing nights. My banana trees can survive a mild freeze but not a hard freeze. I learned that papaya cannot handle even a mild freeze. I may grow some in the spring, however. I found out that even if they freeze back to the ground they come back with a vengeance in the spring.

    We don’t have birch trees here in Florida. So I’ve never tried that.

    1. Bam Bam,

      All Christmas gifts are wrapped but we can’t put them under the tree yet because we have cats. I don’t grow anything inside for the very same reason–they would become cat toys.

      We have a similar problem and is in part why we have the greenhouse. Our cats don’t bother the wrapped gifts; but, we will often see the smaller one, looking at you, eye to eye from inside the tree, often at eye level. The younger, larger guy, is our real plant problem, and has been known to get on top of either of the refrigerators when he wants something. We do have a few places we can hang plants and so far neither of them climb the wire shelving; but, we do have to keep an eye on them.
      OTOH, we wouldn’t trade them for anything, since having critters around, both in the housr and the barn just makes life better.

    2. Bam Bam,

      LOL about not putting your wrapped presents under the tree due to the cats. We have to do the same thing. They will chew on the paper and practically open them. Many presents I gave last year had chew marks on them. We decided this year to just note put them under the tree until we are ready to open them.

  9. Spent all week working on the homestead, the maintenance and repairs I have been putting off until cool weather can now be done. With my health this is the last time I will be able to do them. I had three young men paint my roof, now I have to go up there and fix the leaks they caused because they didn’t want to wait for cooler weather and they damaged the asphalt roofing. I had trouble with my toilets no flushing very well and I reluctantly crawled under my 38 year old mobile home and reveled the drain pipe. That was needed but not the problem so having a backhoe I started uncovering the inlet and outlet pipes. It wasn’t the inlet but the drain field had stopping leaching. OK, new drain field needed, good thing I had a job once installing drain fields and have large
    backhoe.

    I also used it to dig a trench to lay a waterline out to my mushroom logs. Unfortunately I had not covered the trench when my wife, who was pulling our two year old granddaughter in a wagon decided to cross the very end. She turned to get a better pull and roller her ankle. I had to put her in the wagon to get her across the yard and up to the ramp into our home. She missed a 15 hour shift at $25 an hour because she could not walk. She was able to hobble to work last night and tonight. Hopefully she can then recover because she will then be off until next Friday night. It is amazing how much stuff a person who can not walk needs.

    I am so not looking forward to when I can not do for myself. After my experience with the roof painters I just don’t trust anyone else to work on my home, not to mention the hundreds of dollars a day it costs.

    Question #1, no

    #2, Here in Florida I just grow frost resistant plants although I might start some tomatoes inside to get a jump on them in the Spring.

    #3, Again, in north Florida winter mostly means it just stays below 85 F. You don’t have to worry about heatstroke working outside.

  10. Hi Everyone, I hope you are all doing okay. I’m trying to get ready for Christmas this week. I have most of the presents wrapped, which helps me so much. If I leave them to the last minute, I get so sore in my neck and shoulders. I find if I wrap as I get things, then it makes the whole process easier. We put our tree up, and the grandkids helped me put on some ornaments today. It was such a joy to see them hang the ornaments and the giggles and laughs as they wanted to do a good job. I watch them and said a prayer of thanks for such beautiful children in my life.

    I ordered a survival kit from Woot.com based on a recommendation from Ohio Prepper. It is very cool with many small tools to use for multiple purposes. I thought it would be a great Christmas present for my DH and sons. When the 3 kits arrived, 2 of the cases were broken during shipping. I contacted the company and they were very responsive and will give me a refund on the 2 kits that were damaged. I’m giving the one kit to my son who lives about 150 miles away. He loves my survival gifts and I think he needs to have it in his truck just in case.

    I’m organizing my pantry to make room for more food and to optimize the space that I have. It’s a big job, but it’s important to be able to see what you have and what you need.

    My DH and I watch the news every day. It has been making me so mad and very nervous. Bad news each day is getting to me. The last two weeks I’ve been watching some Christmas movies on Hallmark Channel to ease my mind and I have to say it has worked. The funny thing is my DH and grandkids will watch them with me sometimes…and they like them too LOL.

        1. It’s so funny, Watching Hallmark movies was mentioned in a good way yesterday in the sermon,( thinking about what we would do if we lost a spouse, how we might handle it) and about half the congregation knew what he was talking about! LOL neither hubby nor myself has ever seen one. Hehehe.

    1. Terra,
      I’m glad you like the survival kit. I only send along those recommendations to people for whom I have email addresses and only for items I already have purchased.
      I have two of those kits stashed with my other survival “stuff”. I had no real need when I purchased mine; but, they could be handy for me or to hand out to others in a pinch. They were a good price and at the very least are good for gifts or barter.

      1. Ohio Prepper,
        Yes, thank you for recommending the item. You included a link to it when I was reading your post and I checked them out. I had never been to the Woot site before, so now they send me emails.

        1. Terra,

          I checked them out. I had never been to the Woot site before, so now they send me emails.

          Aha, you are now on the woot.com daily digest, LOL. I can go days or weeks without ordering anything; but, then they’ll run a string of days with a lot of “must have” items at great prices. With Amazon Prime I also get free shipping that can save a lot. Quite a few of this group ordered the LyfeLite battery backed LED light bulbs from them.

    1. Terra,

      Ohio Prepper,
      I’m glad you are okay. That must have been scary.

      Actually it wasn’t scary for me at all; however, the DW was rather freaked out. Over the past 4 years I’ve spent enough time in the same two hospitals getting tests and procedures done, that it’s almost become routine. Had I awakened still confused or in pain, it would no doubt have been different. I woke up fully aware of my surroundings, with the DW and a good friend at my side, with both of them calm and collected, so after being a bit puzzled for a moment I was OK. Due to my vision issues, I wear a talking atomic watch that gives me the time of day, and the day of week, date (month & year) at the touch of a button. The atomic part is that it sets itself automatically in the middle of the night, using the atomic clock synchronized radio station WWVB run by NIST in Fort Collins Colorado. When it said “Today is Tuesday December 11, 2018” I was a bit confused, since I didn’t actually remember much since our Thanksgiving activities, including the new vehicle we purchased in early October. You can see that neat watch here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MQNLRTN/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

  11. Have I harvested bark for food? No, although it is an intriguing thought.
    We do a little winter gardening at our winter house in Sun City, AZ. Harvested most of the oranges already and have a bumper crop of tangelos to pick. I use the juicer to make them into juice, which I freeze. In the garden, right now we have only some onions growing. I will add garlic and peppers,

    Winter preps are pretty skimpy, due to holidays. I did add additional hard candies to the stash – and sharpened some knives. Made tomato soup from our canned garden tomatoes.

    1. William,
      It would be lovely if I could grow citrus, but living in Kentucky it would be impossible. My sister has a second home in Arizona and she sent me some Meyer lemons from her tree. I can’t wait to try them.

      1. Hi Terra. Meyer lemons are fantastic. Sweeter and as you know MUCH larger! Enjoy.
        And Merry Christmas!

        BTW, I clicked the wrong name. I am Billy T.

  12. My winter to-do list includes: declutter my piles of stuff in our house, replacing some of our stored water, planning our spring garden n possible small expansion. I’ve recently completed the initial CERT (Community Emergency Response Training) n joined the CERT team in a neighboring county where I work. Some of us on that will at some point, begin a new CERT team in our county. I recommend CERT for their training n also to network with others who are preparedness-oriented.

    1. Red Clay,

      The organizing is perpetual… Inside in the winter and outside in the other months… I have lots of fire starter from the mound of paper I’ve had to go through….

  13. William,
    It would be lovely if I could grow citrus, but living in Kentucky it would be impossible. My sister has a second home in Arizona and she sent me some Meyer lemons from her tree. I can’t wait to try them.

    1. Terra,

      A few years back, during winter, our local greenhouse had potted Meyer lemon trees in stock, so I bought one. It hasn’t exactly thrived, but it’s in our sunroom and right now has four lemons on it. Looking forward to picking them when they ripen and making a Meyer lemon skillet cake (recipe on the web). It needs to be hand pollinated, since, needless to say, the bees can’t get at it, though I suppose I could put it outside when it’s in bloom – the blooms are very sweet-smelling. Our local grocery store also has Meyer lemons in stock.

        1. Our sunroom actually faces southwest/west, so the lemon tree gets only about 3 to 4 hours of direct sunlight this time of year, but it seems to be enough. They are thirsty plants so keep them well watered but not water-logged.

          1. Mainebrain, that can easily be rectified by using LED grow lights like I have. I have a bay area now that follows the suns path. The LED grow lights only use 4.5 watts each so its not expensive to run and can easily be run by solar or gas generator in a grid down scenario. Looking at putting in a Florida room eventually complete with multiple fruit trees and a jacuzzi.

  14. Finally got caught up on reading posts from several weeks ago, as things are slowing down a little bit.
    #1 and 2, no.
    #3 I am going to better organize EOs, herbs, meds,vitamins and supplements. Also make time to learn more about using EOs and herbs. Was given a book published in 1934, Natures Remedies, Early History of Botanical Drugs. It’s very interesting.
    I started elderberry tincture and gave sister berries to make syrup. DB fixed the barn roof leak so I restacked some of the hay squares. Sold the Glock 42. I can’t shoot it reliably. Had 3 guys shoot it and they had no problems. Bought a PK380 and really like it. The mags are easier to load too.
    I restrained my knee and am almost healed, again. Kneecap is staying in place and swelling is down. I lost 3 months of conditioning my gelding so will miss the spring competitions here.
    DS got a deer. First hunt ever.. He learned a lot at his lease from the guys there. He wants to move closer so I’ve looked at a few areas. No rush because prices are in a downward trend.
    Christmas gifts are more homemade this year. GDs are getting first aid kits for their cars. Some are getting dry canned goods with instructions, spice mixes with recipes, homemade dog and horse treats, etc.
    The house power main failed and has been replaced. The front yard is a mess, but too muddy to level it yet. Having a DB who is an electrician and preps made the situation a lot less stressful.
    Merry Christmas everyone.

      1. Thor1,

        So, no thoughts on these videos ? Hmmm

        My thought on the first one is that we’re seeing it on YouTube and not on the FEMA or DHS sites, so I don’t give it much credence. I also have some good confidential sources for these kind of events and those channels have been silent.
        The second video is more like an old Twilight Zone episode; but, what that family is described as doing, is how we’ve been living for decades, frugal with most things paid from cash flow.
        While it wouldn’t be as comfortable as we live now, we could easily drop back a bit and still live quite comfortably, even with some of the neighbors moving in part time with their skill sets adding to ours.

  15. yes but only as expirements, bark isn’t really a good food source as its celulose and humans can’t digest that, its mostly filler to make it seem like eating something (weight watchers diet breads), any food value is probably from sap, and you sacrafice a tree for it. better off using a maple spile and drinking sugary sap or going for the ryzomes of cattails to make flour.

    no, my cabin is too small and lacks sufficent windows.

    no real plans before or after christmas, most years i would be out cutting firewood towards selling next fall, usually the cleanup work lets me sell 50 to 130 cords in september and october, but last 3 years have been slowing down, and this fall i had 30 cords let over from the previous fall, and right now i still have more than 60 cords to sell and nobody is buying, everyone switching over to pellet stoves, or buying cheap cut up slab and green unsplit wood from the amish or buying log leingth green, nobody wants wood thats been cut to size split stacked in measured cords on pallets and covered with tarps to dry for a year. if i do anything it will be run the trapline but i been checking sign and all the furs i want are not around.

    this past week i did what i been doing lately, lots and lots of walking and scouting, walked 17 miles to town and back for cheese (half off at a store thats closing for renovations so i hauled home 20lb of cheese), then i walked an average of 12 miles a day the rest of the week, checking tracks if nothing else, lots of turkeys and tree rats but only found tracks from 1 fox and haven’t seen any coon or coyote. several more old farms around me got bought out by the amish and menonites and they shoot or poison furbearers all year and are largelly responcible for the population collapse (they also shoot deer all year, one guy just got in trouble for having 40 deer hanging in his barn). all the walking has if nothing else removed and extra fluff i had on me, keeping me lean and muscular, and i found a 3 foot chain in a ditch off a dirt road and carried it home, looked like part of a tow chain.

    1. nemoseto,

      any food value is probably from sap, and you sacrafice a tree for it. better off using a maple spile and drinking sugary sap or going for the ryzomes of cattails to make flour.

      Some oils in bark can make a nice tea, like Sassafras.
      I’ve baked the cattail rhizomes and ground them or gently boiled and eaten them.
      You can also grind the raw rhizome and combine it with the pollen (in season) and bake for a small hard tack type biscuit that’s rather tasteless; but, filling and nutritious.

  16. On the questions 1) No have never used bark as a replacement, nor have I ever heard of it. 2-3 answer is no our house is to dark and with cats it does not work every well.

    Prepping-no, we have been busy taking care of VA medical so dh can have a wheel chair to get around since his 02 levels drop down when he walks an requires oxygen.

    Ladies of the family are receiving homemade aprons but they are completely reversible. I put them together so it is hard to tell where I finished them. Each gift is color coded to that person, as they gave me their favorite colors they liked. Made extras of different colors for neighbors, or friends as gifts. Have to say these have been my tranquility from the craziness on the daily horse pucky stuff they pass off as news.

    Dh & I have been watching old movies rather than watch the garbage they are passing off for programming on TV.

    Hope everyone is doing well & putting items for the JIC.

    1. JP,
      So a trained and legally armed citizen like me cannot carry on school grounds AND the officer who is there to keep the peace is not required to protect anyone. Why am I not surprised? We of course are never done with this debate:
      Missing the Marx: Gun Control’s Future is … Communism?
      https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/missing-marx-gun-control%E2%80%99s-future-%E2%80%A6-communism
      On top of this proposal for the government to own the means of handgun production, Senator Elizabeth (Pocahontas) Warren wants the government to start producing generic drugs to bring the cost down. Bring down the cost like Obamacare did for the health care market, from which we are still recovering.
      https://theintercept.com/2018/12/18/elizabeth-warren-generic-drugs-bill/

    2. JP in MT,

      I am not surprised one bit that the judge in this case threw the lawsuit out.

      Why?

      Simply because there are at least FOUR US Supreme Court decisions that say she had to throw the case out on the grounds she cited. They are not recent decisions, except for the last, which came out in the mid-1980s if I remember correctly.

      Like it or not, police officers have no legal duty to protect others from harm unless they are a prisoner.

      Do I think police officers have a moral and ethical duty to protect people from harm? Yes, I do, and the vast majority do exactly that every day. What do I think of this Deputy Peterson? Based on the information I have available to me, I think he is a rank coward and had no business being a police officer.

      Why then, did the lawyers file such a lawsuit? Other than simple greed, they’re hoping either the trial judge or appellate judges will ignore stare decisis (case law) and maybe the Supreme Court will change their minds too. The trial judge didn’t.

  17. Zulu 3-6,

    I am not surprised one bit that the judge in this case threw the lawsuit out.
    Why?
    Simply because there are at least FOUR US Supreme Court decisions that say she had to throw the case out on the grounds she cited. They are not recent decisions, except for the last, which came out in the mid-1980s if I remember correctly.
    Like it or not, police officers have no legal duty to protect others from harm unless they are a prisoner.

    Now that you mention this I seem to recall the case you reference. As I recall the police have a duty in general to protect the public, and will intervene in things like a bank robbery; but, have no obligation to protect the individual. That is at least in part why I carry anywhere and everywhere I am permitted to do so.

    1. TOP,

      I did a little research. The most recent case came out in 2005, a 7-2 USSC decision. There was a 1981 case and a 1989 case as well. I think the earliest one on record was about 1960.

      So none of this is earthshakingly new.

      1. Zulu 3-6,

        So none of this is earthshakingly new.

        So in essence, we are all on our own and have been for quite some time.
        Handgun: Check.
        Kubaton: Check
        Pepper Gel: Check
        NunChaKu: Check (on occasion)
        LOL

  18. Been keeping busy with parents estate business. I’m finally seeing what furniture is under all the boxes from their house that I’ve been sorting, packing, storing any preps and giving away other stuff to those in need. Because I finally got to stay home instead of driving to Tucson every week, I’ve been able to plant a few veggies to see how they would fare in the greenhouse. Planted banana squash just to see if they were viable. Now the plant is crawling everywhere so thinning fruit to get a few that are sizable. Same with other squashes. Carrots are happy. Planted the broccoli and cabbage seedlings outside. They love the cold… can’t say the same for me. LED Grow lights have made all the difference.
    Expecting delivery this week of the Dakota alert for the driveway plus the laundry wringer rollers for the tub from Lehman’s which will be the next purchase. I hate twisting jeans dry. Did that visiting a missionary friend in the DR. Ugh.
    Solar has been installed on our house, bunkhouse is next. For right now, we just sell back to electric company but hope to purchase some batteries to store energy after we drill our own well. Have been sharing with BIL for years from the original ranch drill. Time for a change.
    Canned beef broth and scraps for the dogs. Got more food buckets delivered. Processing a 1000# steer next month. Yikes… I’m running out of storage space.
    Q#1- no
    Q#2- yes now that I have a greenhouse
    Q#3- post Christmas plans? To meet regularly again with our pod and work on some SD and medical training as a group.
    Q#4- told ya….

    1. JP, Santa is going to have a hard time getting that down the chimney…… LOL

      Especially if the fire is going…..😎🎄🎅

      1. Thor1:

        He could leave 1 (or 10) on my porch; no one would steal them (especially off my porch – being know as the “crazy guy with all the guns” does have advantages).

        1. Saw a funny on FB today. Someone posted that if you want to get rid of anything, just put it in an Amazon box and put it on your front porch…. LOL… Sad…

          1. AT:

            I have a friend who has had stuff stolen, so he cleaned up after the dog, put it in an Amazon box, for the benefit of the thief.

          2. JP,

            I have a friend who has had stuff stolen, so he cleaned up after the dog, put it in an Amazon box, for the benefit of the thief.

            We have never had anything stolen; but, we are 200 feet off the road and miles from nowhere. The doggy doo doo would be funny and a bit disgusting; but, only for a short time with no lingering effects or punishment. If however, you steal from an engineer with some time on his hands, it could be an event you’ll not soon forget.
            Everyone should get a smile when they watch these thieves in a simple battle of the Package Thief vs. the Glitter Bomb Trap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=xoxhDk-hwuo
            Enjoy the video and have a Merry Christmas.

  19. HA! Hello all, once again I am totally late to the party!
    I checked this site often over and over, until just this past week or so and never saw an updated “WDYDTPTW”…
    So color me surprised that here it is the 22nd and this was here since the 18th.
    Then again in my defense, I normally check on Friday’s, as that has always been the days the blog showed up before. LOL….and in my other defense; I have been Primary On call for the past 7 days. Life literally ceases to exist on all aspects except for work, tickets that come in and being tied to a PC and desk during on call. So..oh well better late than never.

    So…after reading the various items here, I’ll start with the easiest.
    1.Have you ever harvested bark to make flour or other edible uses? – No.
    I do have two grain mills. I use those for the kernels I have stocked up on. And there is quite a stock load. But, since I haven’t tried trees? Looks like I’ll have to learn something new.

    2. Do you garden indoors during the winter? – Not yet, but… Funny you should ask that.
    I am literally in the process of purchasing/obtaining/possibly building a green house. Just need to get the boys to get a move on on it, so it can be stabilized for our windy area. Also…I had been browsing on Amazon and found these really cool, small type garden boxes that use grow lights and hydroponics. I was thinking of giving them a try for a bit on my counters…but not until we get the solar completely installed. Our PG&E bills already kills us, adding these would really do it. 🙂

    3. What are your deep winter post-Christmas prepping plans? – Deep Winter? Where I am in NorCal it’s a standard winter…so we do the normal stuff. I did stock up on 5 cords of wood though.
    As for all other preps? It’s always full steam ahead.
    Once we finalize the Solar for the house (really fighting them on the fact that I want to be GRID attached, but have the abiity to still use my solar panels if the GRID goes down. I know I know you cant really do that since the power company has to turn you off in case of downed power lines…but I want to be able to disconnect from the GRID on MY END….if it turns out that the power will be off for longer than usual (think long term down such as hacking, EMP etc)….We have a 15k propane generator that will be attached to our system and it HAS an auto shut off so power doesn’t back feed.
    Seems with these companies it’s either completely Off Grid, or attached GRID and the power company controls when you come back on. That sucks. After all the system we are purchasing has TWO of the big batteries to hold us over in power down situations, along with the propane genny that can power the whole house.

    Also we are finally are getting our propane put in (yes my husband is slow- 15 yrs later- sigh)….and along with the propane being fed to the house we will get the biggest tank we can afford (or that they will let us have). We’ve survived for years on a couple small tanks…BBQ style,…that go on roof and attach to the main heating units. LOL
    We rarely use this in the winter, since our fireplace makes the whole 2800 sqft home a solid 78-79 degrees anyway.
    The other tank is a bit larger that feeds the dryer and stove….LOL…I know, I know…but it got us through and that’s all that matters right?

    –We also were informed by the propane dude of these tank-less water heaters that are powered by propane, not electricity. That’s something we are looking at too. It should work for us. I’ve never really had to worry about having a giant water tank as a water source since I have a very good well. (along with a free flowing creek right in back yard AND a huge pool). So that is also on our list of buys.
    I do have a secondary small genny that is set aside and protected in an EMP bag, just for the well. As a Just in case ya know. After all ; “Three is Two, Two is One, One is None” (wink wink).

    As for all other preps? I keep on a rotation as normal. Buy the things I need, teach myself the things I need to know…keep things stocked up for hard times coming.

    I did see others here talking about economic items?

    Hmm…I would say Yes…at least to a massive recession if not worse on the horizon…..so watch and be wary.
    I follow that stuff a lot.
    My input:
    There is one gal who I’ve always paid attention to. She used to work for the Fed…she warned them about the 07/08 housing meltdown way way before it happened. How did they reward her? They fired her for it. LOL…
    Her name is Danielle DiMartino….and watching what she says, along with the dreaded inversion of the yield curve?
    Yes….A major recession is coming. Sorry…But all the indicators are there. …So Ignore them at your peril.

    While yes we have low unemployment, it’s not enough….besides can we really really trust these numbers? And if we do, what about the fact that pay really hasn’t risen? Inflation? Trade issues? DEBT DEBT DEBT!
    -Trade wars…I like Trump, I think he means the best for us. But, there are too many people fighting against him on this. AND you have incoming Dems who have already stated point blank they want to attack the recent Tax Cuts bill, AS WELL as try to shove Medicare for all down our throats.

    The market has been insane..and a lot of it is because it’s forward thinking.
    It knows trouble is on the horizon. Not to mention the Fed increasing rates…
    Then there is the massive amounts of Debt…Gov Debt, Corp Debt, Student Loan Debt…and….Liquidity. Yes…Liquidity. Hunt for it and you’ll find the honest financial people will tell you that if we were to have stress tests on banks and the system? It would fail. There is very little actual Liquidity.

    As for Myself and protecting my interests ? I went to 50-65% cash at least 5-6 weeks ago.
    I could smell the roller coaster that was coming in the wind and called my financial manager for my 403b and 401k and told him to put me in 1/2 cash Now. I took my winnings of a hot market and wanted to put those winnings aside. He scoffed at me, questioned me, scolded me….but I didn’t back down….I told him “it’s my money dammit and I’ll be damned if I get my clock cleaned like I did in 2008”.
    That was back about two months or so ago. Glad I did too. HA! After the past few weeks of insane drops, ups then major drops again? Now Who’s laughing? (smirk)
    And there I will stay for now.
    Till it either stabilizes and I can get back in….or until I can figure out how to get it all out without paying a massive penalty. I think we still have a bit of time…I don’t foresee a massive collapse just yet.
    But….. I do “feel” (think) it’s on the horizon. Especially with the massive Debt issues.

    Here’s a couple great “RECENT” articles, from all over…ones I think would be helpful for you all….if you’re interested.

    “4 Economic Bubbles Growing” –(not the fun kind that kids pop either).
    https://www.lynalden.com/economic-bubbles/

    “Banks pull back on lending”
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-banks-recession/u-s-banks-quietly-pull-back-from-riskiest-loans-amid-recession-fears-idUSKBN1OG1C9

    “A recession is coming (2019)”
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/raulelizalde/2018/12/17/another-warning-that-a-2019-recession-is-coming/#1dc87d83d8f3

    “Sell offs not isolated”–expect more- BIS (smart people)
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/14/bis-report-global-stock-market-sell-off-not-an-isolated-event.html

    And from today…..
    “Warnings the worst is yet to come”
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/20/worst-is-yet-to-come-for-stock-sell-off-as-nasdaq-dips-into-bear-market-territory—strategists-.html?recirc=taboolainternal

    From Oct–
    “Top 9 economic predictions for the next 10 years” – (pay attn to what it states- plan accordingly)
    https://www.thebalance.com/top-economic-predictions-for-the-next-10-years-3305699

    Prepare, Have a Wonderful Holiday, Hugs to All….and be on the look out…
    Cheers to you all.
    TQ

    1. TechQn,

      I’m pretty much all in cash right now, except for some fractional silver. Which reminds me, I needed to go to the bank yesterday and strip my account of extra cash. Got wrapped up with granddaughter and forgot. All of my retirements, etc, are direct deposit (whether I want them to be or not), so I have to visit the bank a couple of times a month. They’re open on Monday, so guess where I’m going?

      1. Zulu 3-6,

        I’m pretty much all in cash right now, except for some fractional silver. …. . All of my retirements, etc, are direct deposit (whether I want them to be or not), so I have to visit the bank a couple of times a month. They’re open on Monday, so guess where I’m going?

        Nearly all of our income is also direct deposit and with online banking we can monitor how much goes in when & where from the comfort of our home. In our case we also have “no cost” ATM access, so we can get cash at any time of the day or day of the week.
        We have some fractional physical silver and gold; but, not purchasing any more for the time being. We have direct deposits from 5 income streams, and while we do keep some cash on hand, we are cash flow positive every month and really leverage a single credit card. It is paid in full every month; but, the points get us other benefits, generally Home Depot or other useful gift cards.
        I have a brokerage account (E*Trade) that I have managed for more than 20 years, and while the bottom line number may fluctuate, I have some equities that pay large quarterly dividends, and that cash is available for large purchases within a few days. It comes down to how you want to manage your money and not being in panic mode. If you purchase 1000 shares of a stock @ $50.00 and it drops to $45.00, many would think they lost $5,000 and get panicky. In truth, unless you sell the stock @ the low price you have lost nothing. While my entire portfolio value rises and drops, often precipitously, I don’t look at those equity values and try to time the market. My cash account has had another $453.00 in interest and dividends added to it this month and next month projections will be more than $1000.00 added. This is cash that may be withdrawn or used to purchase additional equities.
        Starting next month the DW & I will have an additional $104 added to our SS.
        Money management is not rocket science, and is just like managing other aspects of your life, by understanding the income and expenses and planning / budgeting.
        Know your fixed income, know your fixed expenses; but, mostly know the difference between wants & needs and try to put a little bit away each month for those emergencies.

        1. TOP,

          I basically don’t fully trust banks enough to keep all of my eggs in the one basket. I have four income streams and they come in at three different points during a month. I’ve got my bills organized so I can easily pay them around those dates. I also do most of my banking on-line, so I’m able to easily track my cash flow.

          However, I prefer to keep a relatively low amount of money in my account after bills are accounted for. Enough to cover grocery shopping, gas, and minor miscellaneous expenses. If I know I have other expenses coming (e.g, Christmas shopping), I’ll leave a little more money in the account, or I’ll just use a credit card (which is also paid off by the end of the billing period).

          1. Zulu 3-6:

            I do something similar, but because we are pretty remote, I use 3 different credit unions, plus what I keep “close”. I still have several bill/det that needs to be serviced throuout the month. As those diminish, we will keep less money in them, and spread our business among several.

            After Cyprus, I not only don’t trust our “financial institions”, but I don’t trust any one with most of my month.

            We also have a variety of income streams, and each banks separately.

            It’s the best way I can think of to still be viable, and as protected as best I can.

          2. Zulu 3-6,

            I basically don’t fully trust banks enough to keep all of my eggs in the one basket. I have four income streams and they come in at three different points during a month. I’ve got my bills organized so I can easily pay them around those dates. I also do most of my banking on-line, so I’m able to easily track my cash flow.

            Our income streams also come in at various times of the month and trusting a credit union, several banks or in one case an Insurance company is necessary, since keeping a few hundred thousand in cash on hand is unsafe, and yields no return on investment. I watch the business shows (mostly Fox business) and the analysts seem to think that the bank liquidity is good and with the removal of the “Mark to Market” accounting practices, debacles like those in 2008 are unlikely. We do of course have to keep a keen eye on our congresscritters, so they don’t produce another outcome based law like Jimmy Carters 1977 CRA (Community Reinvestment Act) that caused all of the Ninja (No Income, Jobs or Assets) loans and other banking problems years later. I think in the long term everything will be fine; but, if we do run into a widespread banking issue, I’m not sure even cash will be worth much. This is of course why we prep, and have the ability to sustain ourselves for at least some time, if the world really does go crazy.

            However, I prefer to keep a relatively low amount of money in my account after bills are accounted for. Enough to cover grocery shopping, gas, and minor miscellaneous expenses. If I know I have other expenses coming (e.g, Christmas shopping), I’ll leave a little more money in the account, or I’ll just use a credit card (which is also paid off by the end of the billing period).

            Does this mean you keep a lot of cash on hand? Depending on your location and situation, that could be dangerous. In any case we keep money in several accounts with several institutions and always have enough on hand to pay 3-6 months of expenses. Like you, we pay our credit card in full every month, and use that single card for cash flow management. Knowing your billing and payment cycle is part of that money management metric. The one card we use is pretty simple. The billing cycle ends on the 6th of the month, with the payment due on the 2nd of the next month. If I charge something today, the billing cycle will end on Jan 6, 2019 (did I just type 2019?) with the payment due on February 2nd 2019. If however, I wait until January 7th or beyond to make the purchase, the amount will not be due until March 2nd, 2019, giving us another month of income stream to fill the accounts. I also get points for those purchases so every now & then I’ll cash them in, normally for Home Depot gift cards.
            Our bill back in March 2017 was $9900.00 and the accrued points gave us a $100.00 and a $50.00 Home Depot Gift card. That bill included a Freeze Drier, Some additional windows for the house, and whole house insulation. Everything except the freeze dryer was planned in advance; but, judicious use of the card bought us more time, and earned some ”free” gift cards. In the end you have to count everything and stack them up in your favor. That card BTW was issued in 1990 and is “Fee Free for Life”, saving a bit more.

          3. TOP,

            Yes, I keep cash on hand. Not in the hundreds of thousands range though. I wish. I could have more than I do, but I tend to buy things for my kids, and prepper stuff for myself periodically. I have a safe, for whatever it may be worth. At least if a B&E man wants my money, he’ll have to work for it.

          4. Zulu 3-6,

            Yes, I keep cash on hand. Not in the hundreds of thousands range though. I wish. I could have more than I do, but I tend to buy things for my kids, and prepper stuff for myself periodically.

            My rather large nest egg came from contributing to my retirement accounts (mostly 401K with a match). I also stuck with companies and did not job hop, so I was able to accrue a bit every year for about 40 years, rolling the funds into an IRA (tax deferred) and just letting it grow. The DW and I also found the homestead where we wanted to settle, early in our marriage and have lived here for 34 of our nearly 37 years together. Sometimes it’s just luck; but, mostly it was planning, hard work, and frugal living.

            I have a safe, for whatever it may be worth. At least if a B&E man wants my money, he’ll have to work for it.

            We also have a small (but heavy) safe and a few fireproof boxes. In all cases you would first have to find them, and with just too much clutter around, that may be the hardest part of the theft, LOL.
            Also, at least some of the $400K+ are in rather solid equities like Caterpillar, Verizon, and British Petroleum, throwing off lots of cash every quarter, so there is no good way to turn these into cash in a box.
            OTOH, you do need to keep a close eye on the individual companies, since old time stalwarts like General Electric (GE) are no longer safe to purchase and hold. When Chemical engineer John Francis “Jack” Welch Jr… was chairman and CEO of General Electric between 1981 and 2001., the company’s value rose 4,000%. When he stepped down, Jeff Immelt took over and made horrible decisions and that company is now in serious jeopardy. Investing in equities means keeping an eye on the companies, and is some of the hardest most detailed work I’ve ever done.
            Description
            One of the first books I read on the market and investing was written by Peter Lynch who at the time was the manager of the Magellan Fund at Fidelity Investments. Between 1977 and 1990, Lynch averaged a 29.2% annual return, consistently more than doubling the S&P 500 market index and making it the best performing mutual fund in the world.
            I had a bit of money in that fund; but, remember one thing mentioned in one of his books, that I will paraphrase but never forgot. “There is no stock market, just a market of stocks” meaning that when you see the DOW Jones drop 500 points, unless you are holding onto the dogs of the DOW for that time frame, you will be fine.
            You can also do well by sticking to what you know or can glean. My first big gain was back in the late 1990’s when all of the new “digital” things were coming out. MP3 players, Video recorders and players, and digital cameras, were coming out in droves, and looking at the ads on the magazines and on TV I nearly always was seeing memory cards, many with the name “SanDisk” on them. I had never heard of SanDisk; but, some research led me to purchase some stock and I made a killing. Like anything we do for preparedness, this also takes care, time, and analysis, realizing that you can lose some or all of your capital.

    2. I do not know much about savings or 401ks, actually nothing, but I do understand electricity. If you have a whole house generator with an automatic transfer switch what is to keep you from using the panels to charge those big batteries? I am sure some enterprising electrician could figure a way to isolate the grid tie inverter and then use an off grid charge controller and inverter to charge those batteries and send power to your home.

      Now building inspectors in California might be too noisy but if you expect a long term outage just have the parts on hand and rewire the system when that happens. In ten years working with an industrial electrician I learned a lot about what can be and what shouldn’t be done.

      1. Daddio7,

        I do understand electricity. If you have a whole house generator with an automatic transfer switch what is to keep you from using the panels to charge those big batteries? I am sure some enterprising electrician could figure a way to isolate the grid tie inverter and then use an off grid charge controller and inverter to charge those batteries and send power to your home.

        It sounds easy on the surface; but, implementing this on a system not designed for it could be a bit tricky. In my case, when the mains power drops, power goes out to the entire house momentarily. The power fail detection is performed in the transfer switch, since it is the direct connect to the mains power, and via some control lines the transfer switch starts the generator. Once the switch has detected stable power (voltage & frequency) from the generator, the relay switches from mains power to the generator. This process takes from 20-30 seconds to complete. While adding in another power source and auto switching it could be possible, it may not be feasible, since it would require a bit of rework on the switch. For the small scale solar I will be using, the plan is to just have some specific outlets with a manual switch to allow mains / generator power, or inverter.

        Now building inspectors in California might be too noisy but if you expect a long term outage just have the parts on hand and rewire the system when that happens. In ten years working with an industrial electrician I learned a lot about what can be and what shouldn’t be done.

        There are of course things that don’t meet code and are dangerous; but, also some that don’t meet code and are fine, except that they don’t meet code. Doing my own wiring for extra circuits, etc. is perfectly legal here on the homestead and while I may do a shortcut now and then, I keep everything safe, even if they are not always exactly to code.

    3. TechQN,

      My brother has the on-demand water heaters and they work great… Only thing he has to do is adjust how hot it gets coming out due to his water coming from a spring… It’s either on or off as far as the heat it produces to heat up the water, so it could heat the water fine one time, too much the next and scald, or not enough. The air temperature may also go in to play. With a well, you may have a relatively constant temp that wouldn’t require changing the “flame” on the unit.

      I moved my stuff out of the market around 9 months ago. I’m like Z36, only keep enough in the bank to cover something I need. Employer requires direct deposit… Think about that one…

      Speaking of Liquidity Check….

      {dead link removed}

      1. Almost There,

        My brother has the on-demand water heaters and they work great… Only thing he has to do is adjust how hot it gets coming out due to his water coming from a spring… It’s either on or off as far as the heat it produces to heat up the water, so it could heat the water fine one time, too much the next and scald, or not enough. The air temperature may also go in to play.

        The good heaters actually make the adjustments to the heating element (electric or gas) by measuring both the inlet and outlet water temperatures. We looked at those; but, the electric units are not that efficient and the gas units require too much additional plumbing for our installation.

        With a well, you may have a relatively constant temp that wouldn’t require changing the “flame” on the unit.

        Yep, it pretty much stays around 50° F give or take a bit.

        I moved my stuff out of the market around 9 months ago. I’m like Z36, only keep enough in the bank to cover something I need. Employer requires direct deposit… Think about that one

        In general my market values are doing quite well over the long run, which is the horizon you must take, and all of my market based accounts are spinning off free cash to me every month, also by direct deposit.
        Having run a business and employing people in the past, including printing and distributing checks, I can tell you that the process is easier, less costly, and much less error prone. We could of course mail the checks to you and hope they don’t get lost or stolen from your mailbox. Once you have those checks you could then drive to the bank when they are open and make the deposit. Personally, I like to check my account online and know that the money has arrived.
        Speaking of Liquidity Check….
        halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/3626-urgent-treasury-secretary-calls-ceo-s-of-top-banks-liquidity-check-for-monday

        This is just Secretary of the Treasury Steven Mnuchin doing his job, and the MSM trying to make it another Trump scandal. I have the telephone numbers for you, Sirius, and a few others here and have talked with all of you a few times; but, a phone call this week to see how you are doing would just be a courtesy with nothing sinister involved. These kinds of discussions go on all of the time as do formal requests from the treasury or the Federal Reserve. I suspect the same event under the last administration would just be good management; but, the MSM obvious hatred for the current administration somehow makes it nefarious.

    1. Almost There,

      I suppose we aren’t going to have our weekly WIDTPTW, so I wanted to give you all a heads up. I had to listen to it 3 times already to take in all what is going on. MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE. STAY ALERT.

      I suspect you are correct about the WIDTPTW; but, since Tara has grandchildren, I suspect she has a lot of more important things going on.

      Out of curiosity, are you burning propane and helping to heat the house yet? It sounded to me like you had collected all of the pieces and were getting close.

      I only had to listen to your link once and find it to be like most conspiracy sites, with enough truth on the highest level to get your attention; but, ” “Night Shadows” on the site ”blogtalkradio? “” Come on!!!!
      I also judge sites like this rather quickly when they don’t include easily added controls in the video to stop, pause, or rewind and force you to listen to them drone on, and on, without allowing anything to sink in or small portions to be easily reheard and analyzed.
      I don’t know who this guy is or what his credentials may be; but, we do know that Larry was a police officer and that makes him an expert, or so we are led to believe, even though no jurisdiction was even mentioned. Our own Zulu 3-6 has at least mentioned where he was a LEO, which was in Detroit IIRC.

      When he mentions the Second Amendment and then talks about “Ammunition clips & 10 bullets” instead of “Magazines” and “Cartridges” or “Rounds” it shows me he is more full of himself than knowledge of the subject.

      When he mentions that: “More than 1,000,000 gun owners refused to turn in their banned equipment in NJ.” I find that a positive thing, with the citizens taking back their rights through non-violent civil disobedience.

      This guy is just re-hashing the things I’ve been involved in fighting since high school when the first big anti-2A “Gun Control Act of 1968” was implemented. This was I think a delayed response to the assassination of JFK in 1963 who was allegedly shot by Lee Harvey Oswald using a mail order rifle, so we know that any excuse will do. As an NRA life member I’ve been fighting this fight for more than 40 years and don’t see it ending, since Congresscritters like Chuck & Nancy somehow keep getting reelected. Both are elitists from the right and left coasts where I think there must be something in the salty sea air that tends to dumb down the voters. BTW, Christmas 1963 was when I received my first bolt action rifle @ age 12.
      He mentioned the U.N. takeover of the USA and the FEMA camps once again. Talk about beating a dead horse, this horse has been dead and I thought, buried a long time ago.
      And then there was further proof with the US Department of State document #7277 which is where I spent some time. That was time that the guy on the site evidently had not bothered with.
      In the document you’ll see statements like:
      ”Management is required for U.S. participation in arms control, nonproliferation, disarmament negotiations, and other verification and compliance activities.

      ”Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security to secure international support for U.S. foreign policy goals and initiatives. Funds will support activities such as climate negotiations; Northern Ireland talks; democracy promotion; and outreach on trafficking in persons, refugee, and human rights issues. “
      This 10+ year old document also lists the budget for the tasks and I think that the Northern Ireland situation has been well in hand for a while.
      ”Arms Control and International Security: $10,138,000”
      He also gets it wrong again when he mentions “Bumper stocks” instead of “Bump stocks” , once again being just credible enough to rile up the audience who are probably ignorant about firearms and not ambitious enough to chase these things down. Bump fire is a technique that with practice requires no additional hardware or modifications, although the modifications make it easier.
      I do not know a lot personally about General James “Mad Dog” Mates ; but, when the reader calls him part of the deep state, I think I would offhand disagree without a lot of real evidence being presented.

      1. To each his own TOP. He’s been doing the talk radio for 20+ years now and does know what he is talking about. He doesn’t give his credentials on every show. I do believe Larry was a LEO in Texas and I think it’s mentioned in this one. There’s lots of deep state criminals in Washington. I won’t debate you about any of it. Don’t listen if you don’t like it. Some people here may find the information invaluable to what’s really going on. BTW, you can stop and start, and rewind the recording… I do it all the time.

        No, haven’t hooked up the heater yet… Hopefully tomorrow. In all this organizing, I have misplaced the regulator and the connectors… Guess I wasn’t organized enough… Lol.

        Merry Christmas.

        1. Almost There,

          He’s been doing the talk radio for 20+ years now and does know what he is talking about. He doesn’t give his credentials on every show. I do believe Larry was a LEO in Texas and I think it’s mentioned in this one.

          For someone with that much experience I would not expect all of the errors in nomenclature like clips & bullets. I think listening to someone like him is fine if you have the time; but, I have better things and more credible sources to tap.
          I mentioned Larry because he stated he was a LEO; but, anyone can say that and even being a LEO for a long time does not always give instant credibility on all subjects. I have a lot of expertise in some areas, opinions on most, and I’m plain ignorant in some areas. I think this description fits most all of us, probably including Larry and the host Stuart Best. A search for Stuart turns up nothing, which I find odd for someone in the business for 20 years, especially since instant biographies are available on Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, or even Art Bell, or George Noory, the last two of which did and now do similar shows.
          When they open up with “Night Shadows, Where the Paranormal is Normal.” I feel like it’s time to break out the Ouija board or Tarot cards.

          There’s lots of deep state criminals in Washington. I won’t debate you about any of it. Don’t listen if you don’t like it. Some people here may find the information invaluable to what’s really going on. BTW, you can stop and start, and rewind the recording… I do it all the time.

          I agree on the deep state parasites in Washington; but, too many of then were sent there by us. I’ve tried it several times; but, there are no controls to pause or rewind once the video starts. I’m using Mozilla Firefox on Windows Vista. What is your platform?

          Hopefully tomorrow. In all this organizing, I have misplaced the regulator and the connectors… Guess I wasn’t organized enough… Lol.

          That actually makes me feel a bit better, since it turns out I’m NOT the only person who puts things in a safe place, only to have to find them again, LOL.
          Christmas will be over in another hour and a half give or take, so I hope your day was Merry and fruitful.

  20. Merry Christmas all.

    Had an interesting experience, went to get crab and shrimp for Christmas dinner. Tried to pull $400 out of the ATM and it said unable for transactions. Hope its just due to Christmas and not the coming collapse.

    1. Thor1,

      I got the money I wanted out of my bank today. But I didn’t use the ATM.

      I did tease the teller a little about the excitement they had last week. They got robbed. Holdup man is in custody. He went to another bank afterward and got caught there.

      1. Z36, LOL the Grinch got caught.

        Yeah, I heard the 6 big bank heads got a call from the Fed……and with the unstable stock market….

        1. Thor1,

          Yeah, I heard the 6 big bank heads got a call from the Fed……and with the unstable stock market

          What unstable stock market? This current volatility is normal and the current bull market in U.S. stocks just became the longest in history. Analysts are predicting that there is still a long run to go, with most companies being profitable and the reduced taxation and regulation giving the economy a big kick. You can read about it here:
          https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-stock-market-is-about-to-make-history-2018-08-14

          1. TOP, I noticed this article mentioned JFK, did you know he was the last President to go after the fed and look what happened.

          2. Thor1,

            I noticed this article mentioned JFK, did you know he was the last President to go after the fed and look what happened.

            Those events may or may not be related and this conjecture would fall under the logical fallacy of ”Post Hoc Ergo Proctor Hoc” also sometimes called ”Post hoc fallacy”. Both Ron Paul and Rand Paul have gone after the fed and are still converting O2 into CO2.
            As for JFK, I personally don’t buy the Lee Harvey Oswald single shooter theory; but, I also don’t think we will ever know the real story, of who and why.
            Trump has also been critical of the fed, so we’ll just have to keep watching.

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