What I Did to Prep This Week

What I Did To Prep This Week – Week 57: August 11th – August 17th 2019

missy with friends and family

There has not been a whole lot of active prepping going on this week, Pack. We lost a member of our tribe after a fierce battle with a rare cancer. Missy was sweet, loving, hard-working, kind to others, always smiling, dedicated youth and community volunteer, a fellow FD wife, and taken far too soon.

The number of residents in our rural county that have attracted unusual cancers or more common cancers in specific geographic clusters is the highest in the state per capita, even though we have either the lowest or second lowest population.

There could be several reasons why cancer rates are so high here – all of which are topics the government really had never wanted to address.

There was a train wreck here in the 70s with toxic chemicals of some type that wrecked on its way to the uranium enrichment plant in Piketon. Four of the five men tasked with clean-up died quickly of cancer.

Exactly what was spilled and where it may have leached into, no one knows. There is no record of the train wreck even taking place outside of scant local media coverage.

The wind patterns from the Piketon plant could also have something to do with the clusters of cancers in both Vinton County and Meigs County, according to reports and statements given at the monthly cancer investigation committee meetings.

Perhaps the wind patterns from the Mead plant in Chillicothe of the sludge used after the vast amount of strip mining is the cause. I honestly have no clue. But the cancer death toll is outrageous here.

Some politicians blame it on all of the poor people who live here not knowing enough to take care of themselves and go to the doctor – especially since there is no hospital in the county.

Of course, the PC crowd didn’t refer to a large part of our population as poor, merely as “economically disadvantaged” or “at risk.”

The “at risk” moniker they toss around when discussing rural folks in poor areas always made me laugh. What exactly are we at risk for? Not being able to buy a $5 a cup of coffee from the anti-Second Amendment Starbucks?

Are we are risk for never having to sit in rush hour traffic, feeling the need to lock our doors at night, having a murder in our county, seeing chain restaurants take over mom and pop locally owned joints? Maybe they mean we are not at risk for dealing with hordes of panicked marauders when the SHTF. But, I digress.

There really has to be something here that is making so many people get cancer. People who have health insurance they can afford to us (I am not one of that lucky group, thanks to liberals and career politician Republicans with no balls) have paid sick leave, and are solidly in the middle class and do not drink, smoke, and are generally fit, are getting sick with this horrific disease nearly left and right.

The cancer my friend and cousin-in-law died of is extremely rare form of cancer. So rare, in fact, that about 10 to 15 people at most get it in the United States annually. How odd is it that 2 of the 10 to 15 people with this specific type of cancer this year live in my county of only about 13,000 people?

I grew up in an adjacent county and only moved here about 13 years ago. I knew only one person with cancer and she worked at our school but lived in a different county 45 miles away. The demographics of my hometown area and here are extremely similar, but the cancer rate is anything but.

I just do not understand why there are 8 women with breast cancer in one village who all live on the same block, 10 men with prostate cancer in another village who also live in the same block – these are but two of many examples of clusters of people with either identical cancers or rare cancers, living within a rock’s throw of each other. It just seems to me that the cause is most likely an environmental one.

So, my week has been filled with sorrow and ultimately, a loving send-off of a fellow tribe member. I hope your week was far better, fellow preppers.

This Week’s Questions

  1. If you or a member of your tribe have cancer or a similar serious and chronic illness, how do you plan to deal with it during a long-term disaster?
  2. I read this article today in the early a.m. about scientists testing fake electrical grids to test a new substation Faraday cage design to protect our most fragile infrastructure from an attack. Check it out and let us all know what you think.
  3. Did you do anything this week to introduce self-reliance to non-preppers? Please share.
  4. What did you do to prep this week?

Tara Dodrill

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Tara Dodrill is a homesteading and survival journalist and author. She lives on a small ranch with her family in Appalachia. She has been both a host and frequent guest on preparedness radio shows. In addition to the publication of her first book, 'Power Grid Down: How to Prepare, Survive, and Thrive after the Lights go Out', Dodrill also travels to offer prepping tips and hands-on training and survival camps and expos.
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123 thoughts on “What I Did To Prep This Week – Week 57: August 11th – August 17th 2019

  1. Sorry to hear about your friend. Cluster cancers are more common than genetic cancers from what I understand.

    We’ve brought on some new employees at work in my department and at least one is married to someone who believes in being self-sufficient.

    I have been working on doing better rotation with my stored foods while getting more focused on what we actually eat and use. We also continue to look for ways to get out of the city.

    We had our annual check-ups and everything is good. Exercise and eating better is paying off for both of us.

    Prayers for those in need.

  2. I did my low-carb grocery shopping this week. Added a little to my stash as usual. Did some weekly cooking. Jerked more beef this week and made plantain chips too. Granddaughter loves those chips. I love the jerky. She likes the jerky too but prefers the sweet chips.

    Ordered two more tactical antennas for my ham HTs. One is a little longer, the other is a duplicate of the last one I got. I also ordered a new “operator’s cap.” The fancy term for a baseball cap you can stick a Velcro patch on the front of. My other two are still serviceable but are sweat and sun bleached and look like crap. I will save them as spares or for range use.

    I ordered 450-rounds of IMI 55-gr 5.56mm for indoor range use. I also ordered four PMAGs in brown to use as indoor range mags. Can’t use the 62-gr rounds indoors because of the partial steel core. I’m going to have a full week of no granddaughter soon so I’m going to the range to re-zero my AR since I attached a magnifier to use with my holographic sight. It’s an excuse to make noise. Need some pistol time too.

    Still no tropical activity of note. Since there are no fresh disasters to prattle on about, the weather wonks keep making a big deal out of the 2004 hurricanes here in Florida when we got whacked with four of them within six-weeks. The first one, Charlie, came through Orlando on August 13 and #1 daughter was getting married on the 14th. She did get married on schedule despite no electricity in the church and we had a good turnout as well. The area I lived in at the time got nailed by three of them, including Charlie.

    Regular weather-wise, temps are a tad lower than normal (still in the low 90s though), but humidity is higher. Rainfall is a little higher than normal too, but mostly spread out. This past week the Central Florida area got some good gully washers in spots with some street flooding. My area was wet, but no flooding. Not hours worth of continuous rain, just good heavy t-storm cells when they happen. Only had one very brief power outage. Just enough to make the cable TV and Internet routers have to re-boot.

    Granddaughter passed her swimming refresher course with flying colors. These lifesaving lessons for kids are great and they do work. Do not depend on stuff like arm floaties to do the job. Nothing beats adult supervision and a child trained in lifesaving techniques. Her teacher is recommending regular swimming lessons for her because she has good skills in the water and isn’t afraid of it. These lessons are most assuredly a prep for people with young children.

    Granddaughter and I also talk about wild animals (particularly gators) and what to do if she encounters one (not at all out of the realm of possibility here in Florida). She has seen them in the wild as there are a number in a creek near her abuela’s old house, and there is one about 14-foot in that creek too. I’ve seen it out sunning more than once during the years I lived there.

    I’m sorry to hear about your friend and cousin succumbing to this rare cancer. A lot of weird stuff out there. This past weekend, a friend and fellow Marine I served with in Vietnam died of a rather virulent cancer that took him out within a year. He was certain that it was Agent Orange related. This is very possible as the base we were at was a major facility for Operation Ranch Hand (the spraying of AO) and he spent more time around the area of the base Ranch Hand was headquartered out of (even though it was shut down by the time we were there – the remnants were certainly still present). I have Type II Diabetes which is also considered caused by AO. No cancer so far, thank God.

    Tara’s questions:

    1. If you or a member of your tribe have cancer or a similar serious and chronic illness, how do you plan to deal with it during a long-term disaster?

    Realistically, if one has cancer in a TEOTWAWKI situation, the only things that can be done is palliative care as best as can be done, and prayer. As I mentioned above, I have Type II Diabetes. My best plan would be to watch my carb intake, and my weight. Although I take an oral medication now, Diet and exercise would be my only hope otherwise. At least I don’t need insulin injections (yet). I think if someone had extremely painful Stage IV cancer, and there was absolutely no way to alleviate the pain with meds, perhaps euthanasia might have to be considered. That is, of course, an absolutely last resort method.

    2. I read this article today in the early a.m. about scientists testing fake electrical grids to test a new substation Faraday cage design to protect our most fragile infrastructure from an attack. Check it out and let us all know what you think.

    I don’t see the article you are referring to. If they are doing something like that, it’s about damned time.

    3. Did you do anything this week to introduce self-reliance to non-preppers? Please share.

    No, I really haven’t this week, other than discussing wild animals with granddaughter, how and why to avoid them.

    4. What did you do to prep this week? See above.

        1. Thor1:

          I try to always pick up some ammo. I use a variety of ammo, and different stuff is available/on-sale at different times. And no telling what will set off a general run of panic buying.

    1. Great training with your granddaughter! Every time we went walking around the block at my in-laws winter house in Venice, FL I kept my eyes peeled for gators. They would have to be tiny to get through the grates in the ditch culverts, but walking next to those still made me nervous.

    2. Zulu 3-6,

      Ordered two more tactical antennas for my ham HTs. One is a little longer, the other is a duplicate of the last one I got.

      Tactical antennas? I’ve never heard them called that. High gain or extended range perhaps; but, never tactical. LOL

      It’s an excuse to make noise. Need some pistol time too.

      It’s finally dried out enough to hit my backyard range for the same thing. There’s something cathartic about the rhythmic tat, tat of rounds on target.

      Still no tropical activity of note. Since there are no fresh disasters to prattle on about, the weather wonks keep making a big deal out of the 2004 hurricanes here in Florida when we got whacked with four of them within six-weeks.

      I think that’s part of our societal problem. Too many 24/7 news outlets and not nearly enough news or programming to fill all the time, so prattling on is all too often the case.

      Granddaughter passed her swimming refresher course with flying colors. These lifesaving lessons for kids are great and they do work. Do not depend on stuff like arm floaties to do the job. Nothing beats adult supervision and a child trained in lifesaving techniques. Her teacher is recommending regular swimming lessons for her because she has good skills in the water and isn’t afraid of it. These lessons are most assuredly a prep for people with young children.

      Good for her and I agree on swimming lessons and what I learned as a kid, ”Drown Proofing”

      My best plan would be to watch my carb intake, and my weight. Although I take an oral medication now, Diet and exercise would be my only hope otherwise. At least I don’t need insulin injections (yet).

      There’s some good news on this front. I have a good friend and fellow ham operator who was morbidly obese and using the max does of insulin from a pump. He scraped up the money for stomach reduction surgery, has dropped 140 pounds, and is now insulin free, managing only with diet. His diet is of course permanently modified since his small stomach can only handle a little at a time but, the effect on him was amazing.
      It turns out that there is a correlation (no known causation) between that surgery and diabetes

        1. Zulu 3-6,

          Tactical antennas are those that have the propagation capabilities of longer whip antennas, but can be folded to shorter lengths for ease of carry
          An example is this one which works as well as a Nagoya 15.6″ whip on a Baofeng HT.

          I guess technically most of my longer antennas would fit the bill, since they are flexible enough to be folded without breakage.
          All of mine were purchased directly from a Hong Kong supplier; but, are equivalent to the Nagoya or Diamond.
          Here’s an example:
          DH-771 Color Series High Gain UV Dual Band Antenna with SMA Female Connector for Walkie Talkie

          https://www.dx.com/p/dh-771-color-series-high-gain-uv-dual-band-antenna-with-sma-female-connector-for-walkie-talkie-green-black-2012653#.XVmIX2dtFeI

          They have a variety of them with BNC & SMA male & female. A site search for antenna walkie talkie returned 15 selections.
          They also carry microphones & other accessories.
          Free shipping takes about 10-14 days.
          I use PayPal.

          1. Zulu 3-6,
            Another thing many of us in the boonies use for broader coverage is a dual band radio in the vehicle with cross band capability.
            You set the VHF repeater frequency pair and a single UHF frequency and the radio listens on UHF, send ing that comms. On the VHF output (repeater input). VHF repeater output (radio input) is transmitted on that same UHF frequency so a simplex UHF transceiver like one of my Baofeng UV 888’s or a programmed channel on the UV 5 or UV 82 will get wider coverage via the vehicle radio with the better antenna and higher power.

      1. as a teen i became diabetic when i was forced to take a bunch of drugs (ritalin, zoloft, and risperdal, basically i was always angry or depressed as a kid in the 90s because somehow thats what happens to a kid who is regularly beaten, sleeps on the floor, goes without glasses, wears whatever is free like shoes 2 sizes too small or a womans coat and bulied relentlessly at home and at school), the drugs caused me to baloon up to 350lbs, then my sugars were all messed up and i added pills for that. american scale said over 900 in mornings. in college i started walking in my free time, my top week was 500 miles in a 6 day stretch just to see if i could do it. i became lean and muscular and then was passing out unconsious on the roadside, and my sugar was tested and was 10 on the american scale, was suffering low sugar crashes and was taken off the sugar drug and regularly had sugar around 70 nd doctor told me i no longer had diabetes. still have sugar crashes so am constantly packing candy and donuts, might get faint and on verge of passing out if i don’t eat something every few hours, but i also burn 12,000 calories a day on average year round and work 12 hours a day at hard labor (average). the weight loss is a way to stop sugar problems.

        still have deformed toes from the wrong size shoes back then

      2. Been there done that with gastric bypass w/ banding and resection…surgery.. I was part of a research study, It was proven there is a gene that gives tendency to have morbid obesity. Study was @ UT of Memphis/Obesity wellness center.came out in 97 or 98. it is in the Genes that control carbohydrate use, storage and insulin resistance/needs ..Surgery changes the way your body processes and does NOT process everything. For those with insulin resistance, Bitter Melon helps improve control of sugars, I take it for about 2 weeks of the month,It takes 2 months of taking 15 days and skipping 15 days for it to become fully effective..I have been taking it intermittently for several years. .. Now,24 years post op..The body’s response does change @ intervals. .. suddenly one craves dill pickles for a couple of years, wants all sour things instead of sweet… things like that. People who NEED that surgery do not process carbohydrates correctly,Part of that is insulin resistance, surgery corrects that, and even type I Diabetics greatly reduce insulin needs after surgery. . Yes at first stomach capacity can be anything from 45 cc to 200, as the edema subsides, it increases slightly, depends on the exact procedure completed and need as evaluated by surgeon.Following the surgeons rules for intake , amounts and frequency is vital to maintain loss. My surgery was an early procedure that gave a permanent solution for a permanent problem…The procedure i had is not done today, parts of it have been improved and parts have been determined to be un necessary. . It worked for me, but if anyone can loose and maintain weight loss i do not recommend surgery. Some people come thru surgery and initial recuperation and have almost no issues. others have bodies that resist the changes and surgery must be modified. Tell your friend to be sure to do Vitamin and iron studies religiously especially after 2 years.. the body has reserves that last from 18 mo. to 2 years. once levels begin dropping many uninitiated Drs are not concerned ENOUGH about drops as long as they are close to normal.. people who have this surgery will not have ability to quickly rebuild critical blood components . With the right nutritional supports, it can be done naturally, but nothing is fast.

        1. AA, you are SO spot on about the gastric bypass/banding surgeries! Yes, they can be helpful, but one must be so careful with diet and supplementation. I worked at a hospital that was one of the pioneering centers for gastric bypass, and have seen wonderful success stories, but also horrible complications. It is definitely not a quick fix, and the guidelines need to be followed rigorously. And yes, drs need to pay more attention to vitamin/mineral levels and need for supplementation/dietary changes.

          1. Doc’s who specialize in this surgery say you have 12-18 months to get to your target goal weight.. Ideal from my perspective, goal should be reached around 11-14 months. and the months remaining – of that honeymoon period with a new tool – of pouch or banding- needs to be done fine tuning your diet for maintaining, for maximizing nutrition and increasing balance and flexibility goals.

    3. Zulu 3-6,

      Only had one very brief power outage. Just enough to make the cable TV and Internet routers have to re-boot.

      It’s possible that the transients from a power glitch like this can damage equipment, so what we’ve done, even before the generator, was to put such devices on an inexpensive computer UPS. Properly sized, the equipment can often run for hours; but, even the smaller units will help ride out the glitches and allow proper shutdown of the computer for longer outages.

      1. I do have a UPS hooked up to my computer stuff. Perhaps another one for the routers and such is a good idea too. They are plugged into surge protectors, but still.

  3. Last weekend we “vendor’d” at a gun show. Friday, we had quite the “gully washer”. We were in a steel building and the noise was quite loud. Some hail on Saturday with thunderstorms rolling in as we left on Sunday. Sold a little and did a trade. But had a good weekend with the DW.

    Picked up my (new to me) now youth-stocked 410 double, from the gunsmith. Fits DW great! One more “wish list” item checked off.

    Put up 2-gallon buckets of food: pinto/great northern/black/chili beans and pearl barley;
    (lids from Walmart.com: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Argee-2-Gallon-White-Lid-10-Pack/55277093 – they work very well $9.73/10)

    Got another load of “collectables” out and off to the Thrift Shop. More cleaning done!

    Contractor came in to put up the concealment/support wall. We had to stop the work to fix a leaking sewer pipe we found.

    Supply run: Beans; barley; SPAM (low salt); Gamma-Lids (2 Gal); Mac & Cheese; ammo; TP; zip-loc storage bags (gallon and quart); paper plates;

    Received: Movies – Avenger’s Endgame & Jericho (complete series); solar-powered window vent (for truck that is mostly parked); 12” stem thermometer & 20” skimmer for deep fryer (another project complete); Smith’s tinder maker and Firestarter;

    Note to Dan: Looks like the notifications are working again. Last week I, too, did not get any.

    1. Tara:

      My mother died from brain cancer; it’s usually secondard, we think is started as lung cancer. Father is was lung cancer; he was a heavy smoker. Step-father died of liver cancer. I’m just falling apart.

      The only thing I can think of doing, with the grid down, is making them comfortable, and working through it. I don’t know of anything that cures it, even modern medicine seems to only prolong life not cure.

      Looks like we may have found some like-minded people within 2 hours of us. We’ll see how that goes.

      1. Wow, cancer sure has caused a lot of loss in your family, I am so sorry about that. Glad you might have found some self-reliant pals!

      1. Nope. I only use the regular and Low Sodium. Occationally, the Bacon for my friend BC, but this one is taking the holidays just a little too far for me.

          1. Thor1:

            He has a you-tube channel. Moved and set up shop in a new state. Sure appears to be doing well.

        1. JPinMT
          Good to know that BC is still around. I watch some of his U tube videos but time is of short supply around here. Chores keep adding up faster than I can get them taken care of.

    2. JP,

      Those 2 gallon lids look great. Where did you get your 2-gallon buckets from? I want to put some 1lb bags of beans/rice, etc in mylar in them.

        1. AT, You have contact with “Fixit”? ask him what product to use to refurbish canning lids? i am thinking a rubberized cement. I am thinking to refurbish some to use for dehydrated foods, and oxy absorbers….and use with a plastic wrap between lid and jar rim?

          1. AA:

            I put up a lot of food in 2 quart plastic jars I got from Dollar Tree. I used wax paper and rubber cement. No O2 obsorbers or anything like that, but after a day the paper was taught and had a good seal.

          2. Anonamo Also,

            i am thinking a rubberized cement. I am thinking to refurbish some to use for dehydrated foods, and oxy absorbers….and use with a plastic wrap between lid and jar rim?

            I’ve used plastic wrap (saran wrap) between a used, clean, straight lid and the jar and pulled It into place with the Foodsaver Jar attachment; but, I suspect the same would work with an O2 absorber, using the ring to hold it together until the absorber does its work and creates the partial vacuum in the jar. You should see the cap dent into place. Removing the ring and slightly pulling the cap would confirm the seal that doesn’t have to be all that thick unless the top of the jar is chipped.

      1. Almost There:

        I had (and still have) a few 2-gallon buckets I got when I was delivering to smaller grocery stores a few years back. But recently I found 2 and 3.5-gallon buckets at Home Depot. Free shipping on orders over $45 or you can pick them up at the store. Since I got to “that” town twice a month, and I get my military discount if I go to the store, that’s the way I’m going. I have some info for next weeks report already, although my order my not get here by the end of the week. I report further when I get them.

        I get 25# in a 3.5-gallon, and 13/14# in a 2-gallon bucket.

  4. not deal with it, if its treatable then treat it, if not tollerate it till its not tollerable then check out quick

    nevr heard of it off grid so it doesn’t matter to me

    haven’t seen anyone in a week, the one person i may sorta consider that applies is a guy who is dumber than a sack of hammers who kept running out of wood last winter and coming to beg to buy it the day after every snowfall last winter, i convinced him to start buying wood now, helped that he had to shovel out my driveway to get to the wood just to buy it last year (told him to get lost and that i wasn’t going to shovel out 2 feet of snow when i didn’t have a coat and it was 10 degrees out, he was so desperate to buy it he shoveled out the driveway to reach it then bought it)

    sold or arranged to sell the remaining wood, bought a new (used) rifle, skidded logs out, took other logs to the mill, gathered rocks from what the backhoe dug out other week, and piled them on the stone fence. cut more firewood, burned slash, built the floor in my polebarn, did work on other buildings, split a full cord of pine towards my own frewood this season (have 12 full cords in reserve stacks out back, didn’t want to move that up to the cabin so i split more to stack at the cabin and leave the reserve wood in reserve). rained last night heavily and everything soaked outside, so i am sitting inside taking the first day off in a long time

      1. got several coats, 2 heavy carhart ones were given to me by friends who used to work with me when i was a forester, their employer buys them a new one every year and they toss them out in the spring (a regular coat with no logo). mentioned the lack of a coat to them and they gave them to me rather than toss them this year, also picked a coat up at tractor supply in march for $20 (90% off clearence), and 3 other winter coats were given to me by some very overweight friends who can no longer fit in them. only had 25 full cords to sell this year since i do my sawing in the winter, lack of a coat meant i only did about half what i usually do.

        i had 4 coats in december, but they had the tribal forestry and hazmat team logo’s on them for the st regis mohawks (my former employers). was walking on a main road on the rez in early january and my former supervisor saw me and offered me a ride home. he saw i had a hazmat team jacket on and asked where i got it, he seemed to forget i got all the training and was on the team and he himself issued it to me a decade earlier. i never bought coats since i had been issued them at work and had 4 left (i got 1 a year when i worked there). the next day i got a call from the tribe demanding i turn in any coats hats etc i was issued when i worked there. my former supervisor had saw me just as he was on his way to the division directors meeting and had a stick up his ass about the coat and not remembering i was on the team, made a huge stink about it in the meeting and i was accused of stealing the coat and threatened with legal action by the tribes administrators. so i walked up to the transfer station (closest facility to my farm) and turned them over there (4 coats, 3 sweatshirts, 3 hats and 6 t shirts). didn’t have the money to buy a coat at the time so i just made due with whatever else till they went on clearence, tried making a wool capote but had no more artificial sinew thread just wore a heavy fleece robe and a cape made from a wool blanket. i had not planned to need a coat since till that oint i “had” 4 of them. haven’t spoken to my former supervisor since, i had regarded him among my closest friends till that point and i took it personally.

        usually i cut all the wood over winter, then spend spring and summer hauling it up and splitting it. so all the wood i sell is seasoned and i sell till i run out. nobody around here buys till they are needing to turn the heat on despite my usual effort to remind them of how bad it got for them in the past, unlike me they never learn from their mistakes (i put 2 coats into cashe just in case). i have plenty for my own use, i just stacked it all out back on pallets and under tarps and didn’t feel like unstacking those stacks so split more to fill my shed, i just like seeeing all those reserve stacks out back.

      1. rode to town with my neighbor this afternoon, besides getting chinese takeout i also picked up a couple hundred rounds of ammo (shotgun and rifle ammo) and lights, wire, and an inveter to set up a better light system for my workshop (current one runs dc but its salvaged incandecant dome lights, very high power use, rather switch to an ac led setup). also groceries.

  5. Tara, sorry to here about your friend. He Mrs. and I are both cancer survivors. She had ovary cancer and I had a large tumor on my shoulder.

    Puppy enjoyed playing a new game with the ball gun. I have him sit next to me and shoot it in front of him.
    He is so fast and grabs it on the first bounce. He chased another cat up a tree while I was at work. The Mrs. Said she was worried he was going to get over the fence or knock open the back gate, he was mad and doesn’t like trespassers.

    Security
    Went to the range and shot the ARs, Glock 17 and Beretta .380
    Used the Otis cleaning kit. (Very cool)

    Medical
    Ordered a gunshot trauma kit.
    Ordered 2 CPR face shields.
    Ordered a N. American combat tourniquet.
    Ordered 2 Swiss wool blankets

    Garden
    Still picking tomatoes,peppers, and onions
    Picked pears and will be canning this weekend. Mmmm

    Dehydrator
    Made 4 more lbs of jerky. (Puppy loves his kind and starts drooling)

    Thor’s questions:
    1. If you’re lucky enough to not live in a state with a red flag law, do you think a federal red flag law could trigger a civil war due to its unconstitutionally?
    2. Universal background checks would not have stopped any of the shootings. Do you think the Democrats just want an illegal registration of firearms?
    3. Will they try to ban ” assault weapons? Would that cause a civil war? Do you think that’s what they want?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N4ApDFIbwuE

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vYexewtnYQc

    1. Bonus question

      Have ward of the new pumpkin spiced spam? Did you try some?

      Tara’s questions:
      1 If you or a member of your tribe have cancer or a similar serious and chronic illness, how do you plan to deal with it during a long-term disaster?
      2.I read this article today in the early a.m. about scientists testing fake electrical grids to test a new substation Faraday cage design to protect our most fragile infrastructure from an attack. Check it out and let us all know what you think.
      3.Did you do anything this week to introduce self-reliance to non-preppers? Please share.
      What did you do to prep this week?
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      1. Make them as comfortable as possible until they can’t take it and then mercy.(Their choice)
      2. No haven’t seen it. I agree with Z36 about time.
      3. No

        1. We haven’t had SPAM in years since it’s too salty; but, if they have a low sodium version, it may be worth trying again.
          I however think I’ll hold on the pumpkin spice and save that for pies.

    2. Thor1:

      I have a new challenge/answer for libs/Dems who want more gun control. “Let’s take a relatively small, urban area, placed under Dem/lib governance for decades, implement you gun-control ideas, and see if it works. I was thinking “Chicago”. Fix it there, show me it works, and we’ll talk about expanding it.”

      If we used that on a national level platform, where could they go, or even argue, that they have a plan to fix it elsewhere, where the local political opposition is against them?

      1. JP, good analysis. My thoughts were Dems doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results is he definition of insanity.

        We should have less restrictions on gun laws and more restrictions on Democrats since they seem to be the shooters 90% of the time.

      2. JP,

        If we used that on a national level platform, where could they go, or even argue, that they have a plan to fix it elsewhere, where the local political opposition is against them?

        They don’t need a working plan. Just a ”a feeling”, a ”a belief”, a ”a hope”.
        Performance is for the hard hearted, uncaring, conservatives.
        Have you no heart???? LOL

        1. None whatsoever! Ask my children & grandchildren.

          I always offered to show them the 2 words to look between in the dictionary to find “sympathy”.

    3. Thor’s questions:

      1. If you’re lucky enough to not live in a state with a red flag law, do you think a federal red flag law could trigger a civil war due to its unconstitutionally?

      I don’t know that a civil war will result. However, there will be more shootings of citizens and officers trying to enforce the stupid things. However, if the Supremes allow red flag laws there might be trouble.

      2. Universal background checks would not have stopped any of the shootings. Do you think the Democrats just want an illegal registration of firearms?

      Yes they do, followed as soon as possible by confiscations.

      3. Will they try to ban ” assault weapons? Would that cause a civil war? Do you think that’s what they want?

      If the libs want a civil war, they may get more than they wish for.

      1. Z36, They said if they take control of the White House, they will stack the court with 15 justices and repeal the 2A.That might be the final trigger.

        1. Thor1,

          They said if they take control of the White House, they will stack the court with 15 justices and repeal the 2A.That might be the final trigger.

          They would have to take the White House and the Senate, and then hire lots of security.
          Also, repeal would take an amendment, involving congress and a lot of the states, so that’s not going to happen.

        2. Thor1,

          Well, they’d also have to take control of the Senate too. Black Robes can’t take the bench without the advice AND consent of the Senate. Also, to actually repeal the 2A, they would have to legislate an amendment repealing the 2A and get enough state legislatures to go along with it.

          However, if they did pack the court, and the court ignored or allowed the resulting anti-gun legislation, then they wouldn’t have to actually repeal the 2A. A liberal packed court would essentially repeal it in practice if not in actual fact. Then they might get their civil war.

    4. :Thor1,

      Medical
      Ordered a gunshot trauma kit.
      Ordered 2 CPR face shields.
      Ordered a N. American combat tourniquet.

      We have these in multiples in several FAK’s

      Ordered 2 Swiss wool blankets

      Are these wool or wool & synthetic. My favorite blanket is cream colored Swiss wool with nylon, so it doesn’t fall apart in the wash. Purchased 25 years ago at a gun show and haven’t been able to find this kind of quality anywhere since.

      Dehydrator
      Made 4 more lbs of jerky. (Puppy loves his kind and starts drooling)

      Is that using the jerky gun?

      Thor’s questions:
      1. If you’re lucky enough to not live in a state with a red flag law, do you think a federal red flag law could trigger a civil war due to its unconstitutionally?
      No, a civil war is unlikely; but, civil disobedience in some areas would definitely happen. Ohio has no Red Flag law; but, since the Dayton incident there is discussion of it, with the republicans in the state legislature holding back to make sure due process is involved if it happens. The fact that the guy in Dayton passed the NICS and was a supporter of Bernie & Pocahontas seems to be lost on many.
      2. Universal background checks would not have stopped any of the shootings. Do you think the Democrats just want an illegal registration of firearms?
      No, they want an all out ban on private ownership of firearms, and registration is only the first step.
      3. Will they try to ban ” assault weapons? Would that cause a civil war? Do you think that’s what they want?
      Yes on the ban. No, just more massive civil disobedience. No on the civil war, since I think they realize they are outnumbered and living in the cities would make them vulnerable to loss of power and incoming food shipments. OTOH, they could just be arrogant and stupid.
      Your video was interesting; but, the one on Schumer is no surprise, since this character has been a thorn in our side since he entered congress more than 20 years ago.

      1. Top, no on the jerky gun, the Dem’s are trying to ban it…LOL I used London broils.

        I have 4 trauma kits with quick clot, but this is just designated a gunshot trauma kit. $86 Also have a SWAT tourniquet.

      2. Top, the reproduction wool swiss army blankets are 70% wool, 30% natural fiber, so no poly.
        They cost about $25 ea. I got 1 for the Jeep and 1 for the Mrs. car. Although she’s a southern Bell ànd doesn’t drive in the snow at all,..LOL

        1. Thor1,

          I did a deployment to Cairo-West Air Base in Egypt. We were issued an Egyptian-made wool blanket (why, I don’t know, this is the Air Force remember), but they were really nice blankets. I used mine on top of my foam sleeping mat to add a little more padding to the cot. My sleeping bag was more than adequate to keep me warm at night (although I mostly worked at night).

          We were allowed to purchase our blanket if we wanted when the trip was over, but I was too cheap (they were about $25). Sometimes I wish I did. We were issued Egyptian cotton long-sleeved t-shirts and long john trousers because some units didn’t bring cold weather gear not thinking it gets cold at night in the desert, especially during the winter months. My unit knew better and we brought our snuggies. I still have the shirts and trousers. They don’t fit my fat body anymore though.

          1. Z36, hindsight is 20/20…… CTD in the survival section has the blankets. They also have HK 91/93 mags for under $5.

            You can get in shape, I know it’s harder as you get older but you got to keep up with your granddaughter. Walks with weights, pushups or maybe bicycle riding when she gets older?

          2. Thor1,

            Thanks for the tip. I’m OK for blankets now. Not a lot of need here in Central FLA for wool blankets, but I have a stock of fleece blankets that do the trick nicely here. Plus they dry quite rapidly. I also have an old USGI wool blanket. I used to have more a number of years ago, but I gave them to my kids and Ex.

            I have a bunch of HK-91 mags, both steel and aluminum. Over 40 total. Should do the trick, especially since there is no way I can carry that many loaded. I also have over 40 AR mags (mostly PMAG Gen 3). Can’t carry that many either. My HK mag vest can carry eight and my AR vest is currently rigged for eight also, although I could re-rig it to handle 12. My AR has a 40-round PMAG to start things off with.

          3. Z36 my starter is a hundred round beta mag. Then switch to 2 30 round mags in jungle setup.

            Beta states you can leave it loaded indefinitely with no damage due to the low torsion spring.

          4. Thor1,

            A 100-round drum mag is too much weight. I prefer a bit more mobility, or such mobility as I can develop anyway. I figure if I can’t break contact within 40-rounds, I’m either dealing with pros, or way too many amateurs. A 100-round mag also tends to tempt one into way overheating your weapon.

            I’m well drilled in rapid magazine changes, so I can generally get by if I’m dealing with some amateurs. If it’s just me against some pros, I’m screwed, blued, and tattooed anyway.

          5. Zulu 3-6,

            I’m well drilled in rapid magazine changes, so I can generally get by if I’m dealing with some amateurs. If it’s just me against some pros, I’m screwed, blued, and tattooed anyway.

            I’m also well drilled; but, no more than a moderately trained amateur. I can comport myself well enough; but, like you, well trained pros would be a bridge too far and the only hope is that they take prisoners. LOL
            Living where I live with my lifestyle, I don’t seriously contemplate firefights anyway; but, in the larger cities. . . . well.

          6. Z36, ammo capacity comes down to discipline. Pop,pop,pop….pause. If you continued and fired constantly 100 rounds you could have a melt down, unless you are using a piston type action that runs a little cooler than a gas tube. AKA AK for example. ARs also have that mod.

        2. Thor1,

          Top, the reproduction wool swiss army blankets are 70% wool, 30% natural fiber, so no poly.
          They cost about $25 ea. I got 1 for the Jeep and 1 for the Mrs. car.

          My problem with a lot of Milsurp wool blankets is that they disintegrate in the wash. My good one does not.
          Do yours hold up to machine washing and if so, where did you get them?

          Although she’s a southern Bell ànd doesn’t drive in the snow at all,..LOL

          Perhaps that’s another security feature where I live. Ice & snow for at least part of the year can keep some people away or in the ditches.

          1. Top, just ordered the blankets but read these are wip stitched and not just pained.
            CTD. Next week I got to order some replacement ammo for the ARs. More mags and more 22lr.

          2. Thor1,

            just ordered the blankets but read these are wip stitched and not just pained.

            I have the grey wool (almost like felt) that are also whip stitched; but, still don’t do well in the washer.
            I’m looking forward to a report when you get them.

      3. TOP,

        To a degree, getting into a shoot ’em up with some urban gang-bangers is to your advantage if you’ve got decent cover. The vast majority of them are amateurs when it come to shooting and tactics. Their idea of good tactics and fire discipline is to see how many rounds they can shoot toward you as fast as they can. While they’re changing magazines (assuming they have a spare), is your time to take them out with a few well aimed rounds. Then hope one of their friends tries to retrieve their rifle by grabbing the barrel so you can have a good laugh too, after you put a pair into the second one’s brain housing group as he’s dancing around screaming, “Ow, ow, ow!”

        1. Zulu 3-6,

          To a degree, getting into a shoot ’em up with some urban gang-bangers is to your advantage if you’ve got decent cover. The vast majority of them are amateurs when it come to shooting and tactics. Their idea of good tactics and fire discipline is to see how many rounds they can shoot toward you as fast as they can.

          While I guess that scenario is possible since we do go into the big city on occasion. Next Thursday I have a Doc appointment at the local university hospital, about a 45 mile trip every 6 months or so; but, otherwise we stay in our rural area or the surrounding small towns that so far have no urban gang problem.
          Here at the homestead, we have adequate cover; but, also a 200 foot minimum clear field of view (and fire) in nearly all directions, with wireless motion sensors on the perimeters.
          Most of my MAG live close enough to rally here with plenty of room for them. All have at least some firearms training and we have plenty of comms on hand.
          I think the best way to survive a fight like this is to avoid it if possible, and living out here should surely stretch the logistics of any wayward urban youth.
          We also have LP/OP positions on tall buildings and silo’s if necessary.

          While they’re changing magazines (assuming they have a spare), is your time to take them out with a few well aimed rounds.

          That would be the plan, since they don’t seem to understand that rapid fire is for suppression and then only works with a large cache of ammunition.

          Then hope one of their friends tries to retrieve their rifle by grabbing the barrel so you can have a good laugh too, after you put a pair into the second one’s brain housing group as he’s dancing around screaming, “Ow, ow, ow!”

          That my friend is cruel (and funny)

          1. TOP,

            Sorry, but I am a product of my environment (Detroit, Marines, police work) 😉

            Somehow I fail to find sympathy for anyone who wants to kill me.

          2. Zulu 3-6,

            Sorry, but I am a product of my environment (Detroit, Marines, police work) 😉

            No need to be sorry and I suspect we all like another perspective.. My environment was mostly wilderness or rural. I’ve been to Chicago twice (work & vacation) and NYC twice (both for vacation) and could not wait to get out.
            I’ve been hour’s deep in caves and spent the night there; but, was never as claustrophobic as in those asphalt canyons of those large cities. I’m just more comfortable in the woods than in the urban jungle.

            Somehow I fail to find sympathy for anyone who wants to kill me.

            That’s just what we used to call common sense.
            As we tell people in our classes, ”When seconds count, help (via 911) is only minutes away” so best have the tools, skills, and mindset to handle things if you must.

        2. in an urban seting thats because everything is done fast and at close range, usually handguns only because it has to be concealed. they also don’t have a place to practice so its like a british falanx, lots of guys in a line firing in the same general direction hoping the volume of projectiles causes them actually hit something.

          my crazy uncle/aunt (a 400 lb man with a beard to his waist, the worlds strongest high heeels, lipstick, his nails done, and not having bathed in months or years at a time, always ranting about how the general is after him with bizzare conspiracies like shutting off his cable, despite that he/she had not paid a bill in months, that guy was nuts) lived in nyc suburbs, had all kinds of guns and sold them on the street, but despite all his talk he couldn’t hit anything farther than 20 feet away accuratly since he only practiced when he drove 500 miles to my parents place once every 2 years and more often than not it was ust to se if something crazy worked or he was there to use the bathtub at my grandmothers. he also never had more than a box or 2 worth of ammo if he had any at all. he was a city type. at 13 was a superior marksman in comparison since i had little else to do at times but plink cans with a crack barrel pellet gun or 22 he gave me (used to be able to get a brick of 22 ammo at ames when i was 14, no parents around, store emloyees didn’t care, man have times chnged, these days need all kinds of id and the store manager has to escourt you to the regster to buy ammo in walmart or runnings even if your almost 40). back then i used iron sights only and hit 3 inch groups at 80 yards (the longest clear spot in the woods i could find).

          yeah those city people would be handed their asses on a silver platter in a firefight with an average country marksman

          1. nemoseto,

            This is generally true that the average urban gunman would be outclassed by the average country shooter, all other things being equal.

            It is also true that things tend to happen at a closer range, and faster, in the city. As police officers, we were taught to create distance between yourself and the bad guy, both for shooting and, sometimes, hand to hand. It’s been my experience that the average urban criminal gunman can’t hit beans at any real distance unless he’s using the spray and pray method. You can see the results in the news about many drive-by shootings. Often, innocent bystanders (including little kids), are in far more danger than the actual target. Sadly, the average urban cop falls into the same skill category. Note however, some criminal gunmen are quite skilled and do practice regularly. These guys are scary dangerous at any range, Luckily, they tend to be far and few between.

            Another problem in the city, is the average criminal gunman has often already decided if he is going to shoot you before he even pulls his gun especially if you’re dealing with a gang-banger. This puts the other person in a distinct OODA loop disadvantage right from the start, whether armed or not. The criminal has no force continuum or rules of engagement to worry about, unlike the rest of us.

            Personally, in a WROL situation, I have no qualms about putting a couple between some dirtball’s lookers if he threatens me. I never hesitated to hit first when I was a cop and the situation allowed it (per the Supreme Court – a cop doesn’t have to let himself be hit first in order to use force). Won a lot of fights that way, especially since I know how to effectively hit/kick someone more than a few ways.

            Growing up in Detroit, things weren’t nearly as bad as they are now. My dad took me plinking a number of times with a .22 rifle and a .38 revolver, and when older, a friend had his own Ruger 10-22 and we went shooting a lot (as teenagers and no adult supervision. The horror!). My real firearms training started in the Marine Corps and progressed from there.

            Right now, I consider myself a reasonably proficient shooter (handgun, sub-gun, rifle, shotgun). I used to be pretty good, if I say so myself, but that was when my body still worked at top efficiency. If you can out-shoot a former Team Six SEAL with a sub-gun and pistol on a CQB course, you must be pretty decent. 🙂

          2. Zulu 3-6,

            It is also true that things tend to happen at a closer range, and faster, in the city. As police officers, we were taught to create distance between yourself and the bad guy, both for shooting and, sometimes, hand to hand.

            This is pretty much common sense, since anyone who has worked the Tueller drill can attest that you often cannot be too far from an assailant.

            Sadly, the average urban cop falls into the same skill category. Note however, some criminal gunmen are quite skilled and do practice regularly. These guys are scary dangerous at any range, Luckily, they tend to be far and few between.

            I have a friend and fellow instructor, who was a police (now retired) armorer and range officer, and has told me some interesting stories of officer sweating bullets for their yearly qualification.
            It make sense since tools like the handgun and radio are just tools to many, but may be more of a hobby to the shooter or the ham radio operator who delves more into their operation and use.

            Another problem in the city, is the average criminal gunman has often already decided if he is going to shoot you before he even pulls his gun especially if you’re dealing with a gang-banger. This puts the other person in a distinct OODA loop disadvantage right from the start, whether armed or not. The criminal has no force continuum or rules of engagement to worry about, unlike the rest of us.

            I like to think that my OODA loop is in pretty good shape; but, I had not thought about a gang banger who simply skips the Orientation and Decision steps, since most of us, at least civilians are usually in defensive mode, where those steps are important. OA?

            Personally, in a WROL situation, I have no qualms about putting a couple between some dirtball’s lookers if he threatens me. I never hesitated to hit first when I was a cop and the situation allowed it (per the Supreme Court – a cop doesn’t have to let himself be hit first in order to use force). Won a lot of fights that way, especially since I know how to effectively hit/kick someone more than a few ways.

            WROL would mean pretty much throwing out the rules by definition; but, for most of us with morals and ethics, that mindset change would have to be deliberate, and the OODA loop would have to be reconsidered / retrained.

            Growing up in Detroit, things weren’t nearly as bad as they are now. My dad took me plinking a number of times with a .22 rifle and a .38 revolver, and when older, a friend had his own Ruger 10-22 and we went shooting a lot (as teenagers and no adult supervision. The horror!).

            I was shooting by age 9 or 10 at my uncle’s farm and the scout camp range, and got my first real rifle (a .22 bolt action) at age 12. My DD was shooting by age 5, here on the farm. Does that make me a bad parent? LOL Not around here it doesn’t.

            Right now, I consider myself a reasonably proficient shooter (handgun, sub-gun, rifle, shotgun). I used to be pretty good, if I say so myself, but that was when my body still worked at top efficiency. If you can out-shoot a former Team Six SEAL with a sub-gun and pistol on a CQB course, you must be pretty decent. 🙂

            With my vision problems I don’t do as well on the 100 yard range; but, within defensive distances I can handle anything reasonably well and safe, except for that sub gun. I’ve shot full auto a few times; but, never had the extra cash for the gun, the tax stamp, and to feed the thing; but, I could still win the lottery. LOL.

    5. unfortunatly i’m in a red flag state, i think it will be fought at the federal level a lot more than on state level, with the courts possibly ruling it unconstatutional. i don’t think it will start a civil war but it will probably have a lot of states refuse to enforce it or follow along, like cuomos directive for dmv offices to give out drivers licenses to illegal immigrants, many counties have openly refused and they are taking heat for it in the form of funding cuts. i see some states opposing it like this while its fought in court.

      the democrats are too busy getting high smelling their own farts. my uncle worked for the cia in the 80s, when i was a kid he let me shoot some homemade submachine guns he made off an old paladin press guide )we shot a poplar tree so many times it fell over. he was in and out of the nuthouse after he went crazy in 89 (he was making guns like that in the 90s). he had a whole room full of stuff that was even then very very illegal. good luck registering guys like my uncle, i won’t mess with that stuff myself (when i was 13 he seemed cool now i realize he was a deranged nutcase who also wore lipstick and had a bust of hilter next to his bed) but i know those gun laws will not stop anything, just make it worse. from what i hear about states requiring registration of some guns even the cops have less than a 10% compliance rate.

      i hear cuomo is trying to get dem pres candidates to pledge to make the un’safe act a fedaral law like how obama made romneycare federal instead of just a taxachusets thing. that i do see leading to a civil war if it happens.

      nope haven’t seen pumpkin spice spam, don’t buy spam, only package i have was one i bought for a joke and put in my tech support friends mailbox (spam in his inbox), he didn’t eat spam either so gave it back to me.

      1. nem, sorry to hear that you live in a Commie state. If someone gets arrested for registration, maybe they can use the 2A defense of “shall not be infringed “.

        I like the SPAM joke. LOL

    6. Thor….

      Where did you get your Swiss wool blankets? I LOVE hospital blankets, which I used to find here and there at thrifty stores. Now, I don’t find any…

      I have pears coming in too. I want to can some ginger pears.

        1. AT, its CTD….cheaper than dirt…. But a warning, it can be addictive.

          The Mrs. wanted to make pear honey. I said maybe next time.

          1. Thor,
            Are you saying I may need an intervention down the line? Will have to take a look…

            Thanks.. 🙂

  6. Hi Tara, Dan, & all,
    First of all, I received the New Post” email, a day earlier than expected, and the check boxes seem to be in place.

    There has not been a whole lot of active prepping going on this week, Pack. We lost a member of our tribe after a fierce battle with a rare cancer. Missy was sweet, loving, hard-working, kind to others, always smiling, dedicated youth and community volunteer, a fellow FD wife, and taken far too soon.

    Sorry for your loss. In the past few years I’ve lost friends and family, and the best you can do is to try and remember the good times you had with them.
    What kind of rare cancer?
    As I age and as our population expands and ages, the deaths of friends and loved ones are perhaps one of the hardest things of which I must cope.

    There was a train wreck here in the 70s with toxic chemicals of some type that wrecked on its way to the uranium enrichment plant in Piketon. Four of the five men tasked with clean-up died quickly of cancer.

    I suspect there is no cover-up here, just plain ignorance on the part of the companies and first responders of the time. I’ve recently taken some Hazmat training, and the entire field is relatively young, beginning in the early to mid 1980’s. One of the instructors in the last seminar I was in, routinely talked about a class of chemicals he referred to as ”Methyl Ethyl Death”, since all of this stuff is taken much more seriously today. Fir a brief over view, look at: https://www.caloes.ca.gov/CaliforniaSpecializedTrainingInstituteSite/Documents/HazMat%20History.pdf
    The Portsmouth (Ohio) Gaseous Diffusion Plant (in Piketon) has long been an interest of mine. Built in 1952 and operated in the 1950’s along with one in Oak Ridge TN and Paducah Kentucky there were no doubt problems with the operation long before we knew the hazards. As I understand it, the Piketon plant is still being decontaminated, and having radiological testing equipment (e.g., Geiger counters & dosimeters or film badges) might be a good thing to have in your preps down there.

    Perhaps the wind patterns from the Mead plant in Chillicothe of the sludge used after the vast amount of strip mining is the cause. I honestly have no clue. But the cancer death toll is outrageous here.

    While outrageous sounds bad, can you quantify it with numbers? Quite often so called cancer clusters in the overall seem to be statistical anomalies, all too often expressed by grieving friends and family, simply searching for answers that may not be there. As our population ages, cancer and other disease processes such as Alzheimer’s and dementia are more likely to be seen in the population. Poor nutrition, smoking, and obesity are also problems, with the population; but, not limited to areas with poverty.

    The “at risk” moniker they toss around when discussing rural folks in poor areas always made me laugh. What exactly are we at risk for? Not being able to buy a $5 a cup of coffee from the anti-Second Amendment Starbucks?

    I agree. While we may not have the extensive medical facilities close at hand, I think that “At Risk” moniker often helps those in the large cities, feel better about their ”existence”, where many of their needs are met by others; but, deep down know that a problem like a grid down could make life turn really bad, really quickly. Easier to make fun of the hicks in flyover country, than to realize how vulnerable they really are and do something about it.
    Not long ago an aging transformer caught fire and darkened lower Manhattan for hours, leaving people stranded in elevators, or having to hike up hundreds of steps to reach lofty apartments in the sky, all in the sweltering heat. Whose at risk? LOL
    Right now there are large cities in the PDRK with piles of trash, human waste and rats running the streets. Typhus and tuberculosis have been seen and I just saw an interview with a doctor out there who is really worried about the rats, which are a primary vector for Yersinia Pestis. The wealthy elites with multiple homes and the ruling class (all of the democrat persuasion) are still claiming it’s a housing and income inequality problem. What hypocrites.

    Tara’s Questions
    1. If you or a member of your tribe have cancer or a similar serious and chronic illness, how do you plan to deal with it during a long-term disaster?
    Considering that some cancers and other illnesses cannot be successfully treated or cured even today, Long term with no appropriate medical treatment, Palliative care may be the only thing available as it has been in the distant past. Alcoholic beverages and narcotics in your stores may be your only treatment / relief.
    2. I read this article today in the early a.m. about scientists testing fake electrical grids to test a new substation Faraday cage design to protect our most fragile infrastructure from an attack. Check it out and let us all know what you think.
    I don’t see an article link; but, would be interested in reading & analyzing it. Testing like this goes on all of the time and we know the issues and how to mitigate them; but, congress has not taken the action required to allow the infrastructure to be hardened. Either direct funding or tax incentives are required, since public utilities as regulated monopolies, may not have monies available for this mitigation under current tariffs / rates structures and regulations. Utilities cannot simply raise their prices to fund such enhancements, much as they might like to do so. Here in Ohio for instance, the PUCO (Public Utilities Commission of Ohio) manages all utilities and acts on rate requests as needed.
    3. Did you do anything this week to introduce self-reliance to non-preppers? Please share.
    Continued work with our county EMA, on new communications techniques that I think are very important to being prepared, especially if pieces of the infrastructure (power & communications) fail during an event, which they often do.
    4. What did you do to prep this week?
    As always, see below.

    TOP’s question
    1. Now that the FBI 302’s are public, showing a credible illegal data laundering operation, in an attempt to perform a soft coup on the Trump campaign before the election, with continuation after the election, will any of the parties (Christopher Steele, Glen Simpson, et. al.) involved will actually be punished?
    2. Loneliness and social isolation may play a factor in these mass shootings. How do violent games, the internet, and the interstate highway system play a role?
    3. Is the NY Times, actually the newsletter of the resistance?

    This week we acquired and did the following.
    1. A trip to the local farm market for
    • 1 pound of turkey breast
    • ½ pound Swiss cheese
    • 2 pounds of ham salad
    • 3 pounds of potato salad
    2. Received 64 Green Mountain Coffee Roasters Breakfast Blend, Single Serve K-Cup Pods, Light Roast from Amazon as a surprise for the DW. We purchased a variety pack from woot a while back and she really liked this one.
    3. Received 2 PNY 32 GB Turbo USB 3.0 Flash Drives from woot.com for EMP proof backup storage.
    4. Tossed out and replaced 5 pillows and pillow cases. The old ones had gotten so bad that they were getting hard to keep clean, so it was time for new ones.
    5. We went from monsoon to drought, and have started watering the garden, which is doing not much so far this year.

    1. TOP’s question

      1. Now that the FBI 302’s are public, showing a credible illegal data laundering operation, in an attempt to perform a soft coup on the Trump campaign before the election, with continuation after the election, will any of the parties (Christopher Steele, Glen Simpson, et. al.) involved will actually be punished?

      I think if Trump has his way, yes, they will. Unfortunately, it isn’t all in his hands.

      2. Loneliness and social isolation may play a factor in these mass shootings. How do violent games, the internet, and the interstate highway system play a role?

      Violent video games have an effect, I am sure. They are essentially use of force simulators with no controls by supervisors (i.e. laws, regulations, rules of engagement, supervisors, NCOs, officers, or just old fashioned parents). The Internet and the 24/7 news cycle might have some effect in that copy-cats can get ideas easier. The interstate highway system? I don’t think so. One can get around using secondary roads just fine. It may take longer, but you can still get there just like in the old days (pre-freeways). Or, you just shoot up your own neighborhood.
      .
      3. Is the NY Times, actually the newsletter of the resistance?

      Sure makes you wonder, doesn’t it?

      1. Zulu 3-6
        Along with the Interstate Highway System I perhaps should have included inexpensive air travel.
        I live in Ohio with a sister in PA and one in Key West. The boys live an hour south an 2 hours north with the daughter living in the Boston area.
        Families are now all too often separated at long distances, at least in part due to the Interstate system, making that 15 hours drive into perhaps 4.
        There is obviously no single answer to a complex question; but, a lot of contributing factors.

    2. 1 doubt it but may happen

      2 i don’t know about the interstate but i think the internet has a role in making people more isolated. i rarelly use the internet and perfer to talk to people in person, like the amish around me do, i am also direct and don’t say anything i won’t stand behind. with the social media thing people are less concerned what others think, less personal, social disconnect. as per violent video games i have read they actually help people burn stress, and they are being used as an effective therapy for people with ptsd. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-camouflage-couch/201005/video-game-or-treatment-ptsd video games are as much at fault as chess or dungeons and dragons (when chess was first introduced people thought it would lead to social deviency and laziness, and d&D was thought to be part of a satanic cult corupting americas youth after one nutcase killed someone with a sword) its just something people can point to, the nutcases will do things anyway. ironically serial killers have become a thing of the past the numbers have rapidly dropped, the same people who would be serial killers are becoming the “mass shooters” serial killers are having a hard time due to betterpolice proceedures, forensics, and everyone having cell phones, and cameras, the same kinds of nuts who would vent their frustrations stalking some random strangers and murdering them can’t get away with that anymore so it seems they are now going out doing as much as they can at once.

      no idea

      1. Dan,

        Sorry about that, I forgot to add it when I published the article, it is this one:

        No problem. I sometimes have trouble getting one of my large comments all put together and clear enough to make some sense, so I can imagine the logistics of managing an entire site along with other aspects and tasks of life and living.

        All I can say about the article is that it’s about time we see some empirical scholarly information on HEMP and the power grid.
        The information is of no surprise to me since I’ve been involved in similar low level compliance testing going back at least 2 decades, and still have some of the required equipment on my bench.

        From the article:

        Mention of the HEMP from the Starfish Prime July 9, 1962 and the street lights taken out in Hawaii, comes as no surprise to those of us who follow this subject nor does mention of the 1859 Carrington event, nor the fact that control buildings constructed of metal fared better than those of other materials; but, once again empirical evidence may be what moves politicians off the mark to provide funding or regulatory relief to install wide scale mitigation.

        Keep in mind that the effect of solar storms was not well known in the 1850’s and today we have dedicated equipment, like the SOHO (Solar and Heliospheric Observatory) satellite) watching the sun for activities generally giving us hours to days of warning of a impending events, and allowing mitigation or resources to be put in place for faster recovery.

        One important mention in the article, was noting that in 1989 Sandia National Laboratories first determined the event and its effects, mostly in Hawaii were related, so real information and further scholarly study of this phenomenon is only about 30 years old

        And finally:
        There is continued concern and planning by those of us in the professional preparedness community, since Emergency Managers are tasked with study, planning and mitigation of such events, even though Congress often only talks about it. It’s the difference between politicians trying to get reelected and people serious about solving problems, which brings me around to a global exercise going on today.
        EARTH EX®//19
        Emergency All-sector Response Transnational Hazard Exercise®

        https://www.eiscouncil.org/EarthEx.aspx
        Our local county EMA will be doing a tabletop discussion of this exercise @ tonight’s meeting. We will discuss how to handle a power outage from a personal, community, and agency perspective, trying to better understand the problem and how we may help mitigate it at various levels.

    1. 2 that leads back memories.painful painful memories. antidepressants are not a problem in and of themselves. its that tey are used as a cover for other peoblems, a way to sweep things under the rug and forget about them.

      had a long post to explain it better but the story was too horrible

  7. I guess I live in a cluster free zone, I can only think of one person who has died or been affected with cancer. That man got leukemia shortly after returning from Vietnam and it was defiantly Agent Orange related.

    The major prep this week and something that might continue for a year or more is the taming of my granddaughter. After being sent home from the second daycare in two weeks my wife is taking care of her during the day. This child is very intelligent (aren’t they all) and hyper active. She never stands still and does not take naps. She is fine one on one but my daughter has just let her run wild. She was acting just like Helen Keller before Anne Sullivan got her attention.
    This is our second week and we have made some progress. I feel for my wife, if I get tired I can go take a nap. Fridays are the worse, she has to get up at 7:30 to get ready to go get her and then at 4:00 drop her off where her dad can take over and she goes on to work her 15 hour overnight shift. She won’t get home until 9:00 tomorrow morning, a 26 hour day. She then has two more 12 hour overnight shifts before she gets Monday off.

    Actually the work like routine is good for me. I have no trouble going to sleep at night and wake up before the alarm goes off and make coffee for my wife and myself. She is a very sweet child and loves her Papa and Nannie dearly and is likely to be my only grandchild so I am going to get all the good I can out of this.

    I am going to play Devil’s advocate here and propose a tongue in cheek help for the latest gun crises. This of course would prevent a dozen or so homicides but those are the ones making the news. By this I mean young white men shooting up schools or malls. Simply raise the age for a white man to own or possess a semi automatic firearm to 26. Also put a one year waiting period for any white man to purchase his first firearm. Most of these shootings are committed with newly purchased guns.

    Don’t worry, that would never be considered, the Democrats want to disarm people who already have guns. They know the people who own them will vigorously defend America against the things they want to inflict us with.

  8. The cleaning and purging of the house continues. Had to buy a new battery for the car yesterday but it does twice in two days and regularly died if the car sat for 3 days so it was time. When I take the old one in to get the old core charge refunded I’ll find out if it was only a 3 year battery (manufacture date of 9/16). Still saved $30 by buying it at Wal-Mart over a parts store in town. While shopping local is great a $120 is easier to come up with than $145.
    Notified a boss that I can no longer work 12 to 14 hours a day plus 3 hours of drive time. It’s just too hard on my knees (saving the shoulder diagnosis till later). Fortunately those days aren’t 5 days a week but next week I was scheduled for 60 plus hours between Monday and Thursday. Will see if I still have a job after they consider the email.
    Not much else going on. Blackberries are ripening and free in the areas I go so am picking berries for the freezer and eventually for other good things.

    1. suzyq:

      I have used Walmart batteries for years. I even had a few replaced under warrenty. I now use Interstate batteries. In the last 6 years, I have not had to re-replace any of them (including the batteries in my camp trailer) and the one in my DW’s Subaru (which typically goes 6 miles a day) was replaced in 2010 and is still running gretat.

      I was always resistant to battery manufacturer’s claims on battery life, but your issue brought my experience to mind.

      1. JP,

        I now use Interstate batteries. In the last 6 years, I have not had to re-replace any of them

        It’s the same here with Interstate and before that, the old Sears ”Die Hard” that’s actually a rebranded Interstate.

        I was always resistant to battery manufacturer’s claims on battery life, but your issue brought my experience to mind.

        I recall having the debate with others in the past about my expensive batteries vs. their Wal-Mart, Kmart , or other brands, and had them tell me that they had their batteries replaced under warranty, “no questions asked.”. The smug look disappeared when I reminded them that they were first stranded somewhere and had to call for help before getting their battery replaced.
        A dead battery after dark in the middle of nowhere is just not worth the savings. We of course now also carry the lithium jump packs just in case.

        1. TOP:

          I love my jump pack. Mine also has a port for 19V which is what my laptop needs; gives me extended time at a show. I still need to get one for my diesel.

          1. JP,

            Mine also has a port for 19V which is what my laptop needs; gives me extended time at a show.

            For that kind of thing I use an inverter. It’s not as efficient; but, runs off the 12 VDC from the jump pack or the vehicle.
            My biggest problem with the jump pack in the vehicle is convincing my DW to keep it plugged into the USB port while driving, to make sure it’s topped off.

          2. JP,
            I Understand. I’ve worked at and attended shows in nice buildings, and fairgrounds with power and without, and sometimes a flea market atmosphere in a field. I often see small generators for outdoor venues.

    2. SuzyQ, I have an older honda minivan with electrical issues. We recently started buying car batteries at Rural King. Cheaper than Wallyworld and absolutely no issues with returns/exchanges. Working to track the electrical issues down. And heck yeah, I carry a jump box with me at all times. Not only do I use it on a regular basis, I have been able to help others with it as well. When DH was driving my van daily for work (30 plus miles daily), no problems. But now that his van is back up, I only drive a couple miles daily, so the battery doesn’t get as well charged (and no, it’s not the alternator, that’s been replaced…the AC is disconnected, read that compressor could be an issue, we also disconnected the hitch hookup…I personally think it is the radio and/or the antitheft features).
      Good luck with the job issues.

      1. Grammyprepper,

        But now that his van is back up, I only drive a couple miles daily, so the battery doesn’t get as well charged
        . . . . . . . .
        I personally think it is the radio and/or the antitheft features).

        I think your thoughts on this may be correct, since modern vehicles never shot off completely, otherwise the remote keyfob would not work.
        Have you considered a battery maintainer / trickle charger?
        Harbor freight has an inexpensive one we use on some of our lawn and gardening equipment that we also used on the old van and truck, and they always started OK after long periods of nonuse.

  9. sorry about your loss.
    a loose friend from H.S. mentioned southern ohio has a huge amount of autism and cancer. i always figured it was the west virginia chemical plants. the autism rates supposed to be multiple times the rest of the state. but at the same time i get, there is multiple forms and severities and misdiagnosis. i guess scotts had a illegal dump site, near here about 55 years ago. only a few have been around long enough to remember it. right on the edge of the marysville water shed, supplying the cities water.

    i’ve been busy round baling hay and am looking for a square baler for added income.
    getting out of dairy cattle and made a bid on a angus bull. to breed my unbred heifers to. keep me in your prayers, for my path forward.
    i;m going to put wheat out, for the first time in 20-25 years. no trade deal, means we should look for something other than corn and beans and hay to plant. planning on doing the farmers market next year.

    i know alot of people think the economies fine. i seem to always see the other side. i know our semen sales company, almost completely pulled out of ohio. just ask others to be careful and get out of debt and develope a side hustle. things could get better or just finish tanking.
    ,

    1. Black, your input is invaluable here, and I hope everyone pays attention to what you have to say. I think you may be the only large scale farmer in this forum. (If there are others, I apologize) So what you are seeing and experiencing is valuable information for those of us who are much smaller scale (think home gardeners, small groups). My takeaway from your comment here, is to not put all your eggs in one basket. That used to be a viable option, but in today’s age, not so much. Kind of like back in the day, you could expect to retire from the company you went to work at as a teen and be taken care of…

  10. Hi Everyone,

    Tara, sorry about your friend and cousin. My nephew passed away in 2008, at the age of 26, from Melanoma, after being diagnosed a year earlier. It was and is still sad for us. My sister still hasn’t gotten over it.

    Had a welcome visitor this week, BC (baby catcher), on Monday, and we had a great time. It was a quick trip though, and she brought my stuff that I had bought a few months back. Was excited to see it all and get in a quick visit. Hoping to visit her way before the end of the year, and when Overwatch comes down.

    Not much in purchases this past week except buying a few canning jars, lids, supplies that fit in a paper grocery sack… So not much at all.

    Worked OT yesterday, +12 hrs, so will be working on the kitchen again today, cleaning up from canning 27 pints of peaches. They look delicious. Got cukes, squash and onions to make up another batch of refrigerator pickles. Not the amount I made before though… May put some on FB MP to sell, as I see people selling their food they canned all the time. Wonder how much of it they really sell?

    Will freeze some tomatoes from the garden. Still wanting to buy some to can. Maybe this weekend… Pears coming in from my tree. BC took back a 1/2 bushel there are so many this year.

    Wanting to get one more 6-shelf wire shelf, but need to make a spot for it first in the “food” room. I see pictures of people making shelves to store all their canned food, along walls in rooms, where the jars are only 1 deep, have a wire to hold them on the shelf in case of an earthquake, so you can see what you have and can rotate without digging out the older stuff to put the new stuff under… I am sorta of jealous… I just need to figure out a better way for rotation with what I have… Sigh…. Another project…

    Prayers for the pack, for The President, and for America…

    Have a great week everyone.

    1. Almost There,

      Was excited to see it all and get in a quick visit. Hoping to visit her way before the end of the year, and when Overwatch comes down.

      The DW has consented to coming down for a meetup when Overwatch comes down there. It would have to be based on timing and weather conditions of course. Google mapping shows 6 hours flat (391 miles) from my door to Babycatcher’s door.

      Will freeze some tomatoes from the garden. Still wanting to buy some to can.

      We may have to purchase some also, since so far we’ve gotten only a few to eat. Monsoon followed by drought to the point we’ve had to water the garden.

      Pears coming in from my tree.

      We were gifted some and have been freezing them. Pears are my least favorite fruit with peaches perhaps my favorite.

      Wanting to get one more 6-shelf wire shelf, but need to make a spot for it first in the “food” room. I see pictures of people making shelves to store all their canned food, along walls in rooms, where the jars are only 1 deep, have a wire to hold them on the shelf in case of an earthquake, so you can see what you have and can rotate without digging out the older stuff to put the new stuff under… I am sorta of jealous… I just need to figure out a better way for rotation with what I have.

      We have been using and loving the Cansolidators for rotation of commercial canned goods, sitting on one of those wire shelves. I’ll send you some photos.
      For glass jars, we keep them in original cardboard boxes sitting on the wire shelves with an inventory kept on note cards or in a spreadsheet.

          1. GA Red,
            My favorite canned fruit are Mandarin Oranges, followed by peaches &/or pineapple.
            For fresh fruit I like Granny Smith Apples, Peaches, and Watermelon.
            I like the cheddar cheese and mayo (actually Miracle Whip) with various meats on toasted bread or bun.
            We keep shredded sharp cheddar (from Aldi’s) on hand all of the time. it it’s a good add to many soups or casseroles, or even mashed potatoes.

      1. TOP,

        I have the cansolidators. Actually, I was the one that told you about them… Lol. I am using my 2 smaller ones. They take up too much room. They are also closed up where you can’t see from the side. so, wasted space if you don’t have enough of one kind to fill the track.

        I don’t want to keep my canned jars in their box because:

        1) When you use 1 jar out of the box, it creates unused space.
        2) Not everything cans up into 12 jars… So then you end up with a mix match box if you use the unused space in the box.
        3) I don’t like to stack another box on top of another, but am going 2 high, but careful when stacking.
        4) When you stack, you can’t get to what you need, and keep things rotated.
        5) The wire shelves are very nice, but there is much wasted space between shelves.
        6) No time to create a spreadsheet. And then keep it updated. Note card would eventually be used up and a new one would have to be created… And is why I would LOVE to have the single depth shelves along the walls for canning jars.

        Hoping we can all meet up… It will be fun. And of course, before the snow flies..

        1. Almost There,

          I have the cansolidators. Actually, I was the one that told you about them… Lol.

          Now that you mention it, that’s right and one of the best recommendations for storage I’ve had in a while.

          I am using my 2 smaller ones. They take up too much room. They are also closed up where you can’t see from the side. so, wasted space if you don’t have enough of one kind to fill the track.

          Smaller ones? They are an erector set that allows you to go as wide and tall as you like, which is what we did.
          We often put more than one type but related item in a bin.
          Green beans (normal & French cut), corn (whole kernel & cream), Lima & butter beans. We mark the date with a Sharpie on the can lid when we bring them home, and you can flip through a whole section in just a moment. For instance we have one holding Progresso soups. And I often run part way through it looking for something that sounds good.

          I don’t want to keep my canned jars in their box because:

          1) When you use 1 jar out of the box, it creates unused space.
          True; but, the same for an empty position on the shelf.
          We also usually cut the boxes down to more easily see the contents from the side.

          2) Not everything cans up into 12 jars… So then you end up with a mix match box if you use the unused space in the box.
          Cut the box down and you can see what’s there more easily.

          3) I don’t like to stack another box on top of another, but am going 2 high, but careful when stacking.
          That I understand, so maybe you need to add more shelves to a wire unit. I’ve been known to both add and delete shelves when I put something together, to fit my needs.
          You can also install wheel kits on the shelves so you can rotate the shelf and get to the other side.

          4) When you stack, you can’t get to what you need, and keep things rotated.
          You can; but, it does take more effort. LOL.

          5) The wire shelves are very nice, but there is much wasted space between shelves.
          That depends on how you assemble them. Like I said above, I add or delete shelves and put them where they will best serve the needs of the project. Just another erector set with pieces to use as needed.

          6) No time to create a spreadsheet. And then keep it updated. Note card would eventually be used up and a new one would have to be created… And is why I would LOVE to have the single depth shelves along the walls for canning jars.
          I keep spreadsheets for inventory of many things, and once the sheet is created and it becomes a habit, it only takes a few minutes per day to update. I of course keep more than one computer running 24/7 and that helps to just sit down and quickly do the work.

          Hoping we can all meet up… It will be fun. And of course, before the snow flies.

          Yes & YES!!!

        2. Yep! I second AT’s comments. We had a blast, and are looking forward to the fall. I have a client due end Sept, then an interview for a possible one in Feb, and a previous client sent me her happy news, so April/May i will be here. Looking forward to seeing whoever shows up, and i just need a number so i will know how many to house/feed! ( and to tell hubby “ hey guess what? Ive invited 3 Hams to our house for a weekend (or some amount) this fall, and their spouses/children/selves. Lol”) so it ought to be interesting. Im working up the pears AT gave me( beautiful, and no spraying!) and i have grapes in primary fermentation, and we just got back from Huntsville Hamfest. So, catchup time! Btw, i may not post much, but i read every reply and post, and am praying for those in the Pack with needs that i am aware of. Tara, i send my condolences to you and your relatives. Cancer is an awful thing ,and i hate it. Prayers for your comfort

  11. I am sorry for your family, member passing from Cancer , my mom had breast cancer, about 4 year’s ago, hers was medicine she took in her 40’s she’s now 80, they knew it could happen so they kept an eye out on it. My Aunt, had breast cancer twice, and beat it she’s 86, I had three uncle’s, whom passed from different types of cancer, and another Aunt, that had two different cancers, they all lived in the Eastern part of Washington, their cancer, could have been from pesticides, because they all lived in the valley of Yakima County, yes cancer is a nasty disease.

    I have done some canning, pickles, tomatillo sauce, I hope I have time for red salsa, that’s my favorite. I started to paint the trim on our house, while the weather, is still holding and I’ll see if I can start on the body, of the house after labor day. My grapes, are going wonderful, I feel like the first part of September, they should be ready to pick hubby, is getting excited for our first crop. The hops, should be ready to pick too , a small batch of hop tincture. Well, have a great week, and stay cool 🙂

  12. 1) Preparing for someone who has cancer in the group.
    Dh went through two bouts of cancer from AO exposure from time in service. If there were no services available for treatment would do what we are using now, Graviola(aka Sour sop). He had a test showing he could be coming down with it, he went on the Graviola and his levels are dropping. He takes it every day, and I keep it in stock. If I knew where our forever place was going to be would try to acquire this plant for its medicinal properties.
    2) Did not hear about the test on the electrical grid
    3) We have not been able to leave the house due to dh healing injury
    4) Prepping- building a wheel chair ramp for dh. Gives him the availability to get into & out of the house until he has the strength to maneuver via the steps.

  13. Tara, I am so sorry for the loss of your friend.. Cancer s a terrible thing. WWe have one branch of our family that every son/daughter except one has passed from this terrible malady. If I lived in your area, I would send 3 samples of water off to 3 different labs, one of them would be the one the Health Ranger has.What ever contaminant is in the water table i would filter, no filter available then it is past time to move. There is a superfund site in our area of Tn. fortunately for us well away from us, but the areas near that site have a cancer rate very near what you are describing, and i have only a passing knowledge from people DM worked with in that area.
    For your questions..#1 It would depend on the diagnosis, or suspected diagnosis. I keep herbals on hand for my family for entire family to use for Blood sugar. Bitter Melon, fenugreek, cinnamon,Gymnea sylvestere, selenium,sea kelp(natural iodine source, to maintain hormones, and to boost immunity). For cancer treatment we have determined we will go natural on that as well.re; Life changing event(LCE) for everyone or just us.. many cancers are fungal and inflammatory in nature and are evidence of an immune compromise. Some common things that could be used are baking soda, food grade peroxide, colloidal silver, and herbals. There are certain instances reports have been written and utilized for extended life in a pain free manner. I keep a supply of all of these on hand, and would try to do what ever possible ..in multiples, as indicated…from the information we have at the time.
    #2 EMP devise is available for about 400$ for house, car, motor home…each devise. by same ones who designed for government.
    #3. Self reliance info passed on to some who were previously unable to progress beyond short term-to 3 months. Info passed to give sources, methods and amounts necessary for worst case..for that family. With that identified ..by that family…They have a beginning place for the long term storage.
    #4 We visited a local farmers market and purchased some veggies for freezer…/in short term for now… may end up in long term. Was gifted about 15 lbs of yellow onions, a few peaches and plums. they are in various stages of secure, will be completed within 24 hours. with acorn squash that were gathered over past two weeks…those are diced and awaiting final packaging
    .then i. pulled up all of the acorn squash and pulled a full 5 gallon bucket full from one plant invaded by squash bugs.. since last posting we gathered a watermelon from volunteer plant…
    have done routine maintenance to gardening areas, including watering intermittently as needed. using some materials for shading.
    I have done some research on the grasses we have available and found they have 17-19% protein..not bad for a supplemental rabbit feed.
    We have kept our animals alive outside by providing 2 and 3 liter ice bottles and ice for water and bathing pans. Our heat index was 125 one afternoon ..actual temp was 99, with very high( 89%,humidity, if i remember right, numbers were from one of heat index calculators) . The weather did give us a break for several days but has returned to heat index above 100… presently we have 3 adult rabbits and 2 litters., just old enough to be weaned. The ice water bottles were also placed in open pans for the chickens out in the yard….Ice bottle’ have kept me busy refilling, washing and re freezing and staying ahead of the need.
    I found some meats on sale, purchased and secured.
    I have been rotating out some of older foods and playing with different combinations..entirely from shelf stable.

    Thor’s questions.. #1 could possibly- so yes. #2,No- They want complete control of every aspect of our lives, as long as they are not controlled or affected. #3 Those ppl do not know what they truly want or ask for- they depend on the feelings of the moment and it changes like the wind.
    …Prayers for the Pack, for spoken and unspoken needs.
    Keep on Keeping On…Do what you can where you are.

  14. Sorry I have been absent lately, I was working hard for a promotion at work that I did not get. I was told it was close, and basically came down to seniority, as well as the person who got it had some experience in the position. It’s all well and good, I hear that person has higher mgmt aspirations, so I expect to learn from her and get the position when she decides to move on. It’s also summer, and it’s been a work in progress trying to spend time with the grandson when he was physically closer to us at his dad’s. Got to spend a couple weekends with him, and took him shopping for school clothes. I bought his shoes a size too big, but that’s okay, he’ll grow into them in no time. I will share his school pic when they come out, cuz I picked an outfit specifically for that which he liked. Got him a pair of real cowboy boots too!
    Gardening has been a bust due to the crazy weather. Container plants have done well, garden not so much. So we get a harvest of cherry type tomatoes (yellow pear, red cherry, Brad’s atomic grapes) enough to eat on a daily basis, but nothing enough to put up. I got one huge Brandywine from the garden, it needs another day, but my mouth is watering waiting for it to ripen!
    Tara, I am so sorry for your loss. There is not enough attention paid to cluster cancers. Much like the gooberment won’t acknowledge all of the issues associated with agent orange that our valiant vietnam vets are dealing with.
    In a SHTF situation, IDK that we would have the capability to define a persons illness as cancer. I would imagine that the symptoms would be treated until nothing else works. At that point, palliative care would become priority. But that raises a plethora of questions in and of itself. If the person in question had a prior health diagnosis, then you might know how to treat them. But if they were previously healthy, and all of a sudden start having health issues, aside from treating those health issues, how do you ‘know’ it could be cancer, and how do you decide just how much of your medical stores do you use to help them? How do you ‘know’ their health issues are due to poor hygeine, onset of a chronic disease like diabetes or cancer? How does your interpretation of that affect how they are treated? Mind you, I am playing ‘devils advocate’ here, but these are the things that make you go hmmmm….

    Nemoseto…you never cease to amaze me, the things you have been through and continue to live through. You need to write a book. Seriously.

    All of you are in my thoughts and prayers daily. God Bless America! (can i say that really? yeah here i can)

    1. i have writtn book, but it ended up vry disturbing and messed up especially any part that was about what i been trhough before i was 27, just about everything before tht was horrible

      agreed about diagnosing cancer, i would not be able to diagnose cancer in anyone, my own medical skill is more about bandaging injuries, treating infection, and treating viruses. cancer is soemthing far outside the scope of me abilities. and even then it seems to be outside the scope of most doctors as well

    2. Grammyprepper,

      I was working hard for a promotion at work that I did not get. I was told it was close, and basically came down to seniority, as well as the person who got it had some experience in the position. It’s all well and good, I hear that person has higher mgmt aspirations, so I expect to learn from her and get the position when she decides to move on.

      Many people would be bitter in your circumstance; but, it does not surprise me that you are not. I’ve had many setbacks in my lifetime and each time you step back, evaluate the situation, and plan your next move, as you are doing. One step back and then two forward still means you’re moving forward, and being angry and bitter takes its own toll. As I recall that in the end the tortoise beat the hare.

      Gardening has been a bust due to the crazy weather. Container plants have done well, garden not so much. So we get a harvest of cherry type tomatoes (yellow pear, red cherry, Brad’s atomic grapes) enough to eat on a daily basis, but nothing enough to put up. I got one huge Brandywine from the garden, it needs another day, but my mouth is watering waiting for it to ripen!

      Unfortunately we didn’t do enough in containers. We’re still hoping to get something at the farm market or the produce auction in the next few weeks or perhaps even a little more from the garden, first too wet and now too dry.

      Much like the gooberment won’t acknowledge all of the issues associated with agent orange that our valiant vietnam vets are dealing with.

      I think that Agent Orange is finally being addressed for those that are still surviving, and I suspect some here may know the details. Zulu?

      In a SHTF situation, IDK that we would have the capability to define a persons illness as cancer. I would imagine that the symptoms would be treated until nothing else works. At that point, palliative care would become priority. But that raises a plethora of questions in and of itself. If the person in question had a prior health diagnosis, then you might know how to treat them. But if they were previously healthy, and all of a sudden start having health issues, aside from treating those health issues, how do you ‘know’ it could be cancer, and how do you decide just how much of your medical stores do you use to help them?

      I agree which is why knowing some basic herbals would be needed. In my case I’ve been building medical supplies not only to treat others; but, as much for me and mine as anything.

      How do you ‘know’ their health issues are due to poor hygeine, onset of a chronic disease like diabetes or cancer?

      I think some of those things would be obvious, like poor hygiene, and instrumentation for measuring glucose and other chemistry are getting less expensive by the day. I have BP cuff & Pulse Oximeters in my kit and some chemistry that might help in diagnosis. It could no doubt be a skin of your teeth, duct tape and baling wire kind of medicine.
      Short of an asteroid strike I really don’t expect a global event all that horrific that some medical care will not be available.

      Mind you, I am playing ‘devils advocate’ here, but these are the things that make you go hmmmm.

      Hmmm. They certainly do, and poking holes in someone’s Pollyanna rose colored glasses view of the world is never a bad thing.
      Hope for the best & prepare for the worst is all any of us can do.

      All of you are in my thoughts and prayers daily. God Bless America! (can i say that really? yeah here i can)

      You and I can say that and stand for the anthem and salute the flag anywhere and anytime we want, and pity the fool who tries to stop us (or at least me) LOL.

  15. Tara
    You had questions about the ‘cluster’ effect since it incorporated ‘blocks’ of homes where neighbors were effected.
    Here are my questions for you.
    1)Do they receive their water from a private well or municipality?
    2) Have the soils in which the home set ever been checked for soil contamination?
    Reason I am requesting this information I am a trained professional dowser . Would like to provide as much information to help those who live back there. Know the sorro that you and others are feeling from the loss of a loved one or dear friend.

    If you wish you can contact me privately at the email listed
    AC.

  16. Hi All,

    Please pray for my neighbors. The daughter called us last night to help her pick up her dad, a WWII fighter pilot. He fell. They said he had a “brain bleed” from the fall.” His name is Ed. He flew a corsair. In the last hours my husband and I had with him (he recognized us but not his daughter), he talked about how the plane he flew flipped down.

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