What I Did to Prep This Week

What I Did To Prep This Week – Week 60: September 1st – September 7th 2019

pregnant goat

Hello Pack. I would like to say I had a productive week of prepping, but I so have not. The rest of my tribe did, but a cold that a granddaughter shared with me and a horse stomped foot another one prompted, have had me nearly sidelined all week.

We are on kidding watch with Pearl right now. As you can see by the photo, my delightful one-eared and 3-legged goat is extremely pregnant. Pearl has four actual legs, but only the full use of three of them after a dog attack that nearly took her life.

I keep wrestling the other members of the goat herd out of the way so I can stall only Pearl at night in case she goes into labor – which is no simple task since I lure Pearl into the kidding stall with treats.

If she remains true to form, and being a stubborn little goat I imagine she will, Pearl will wait until it is a bad weather night and start to kid about 2 a.m. or at least not until after midnight. My beloved nanny goat simply refused to deliver her kids during nice weather or broad daylight.

So, onto my stomped foot portion of this week’s prepping highlights. The three youngest grandkiddos were doing their morning barn chores: toting water to the flock, feeding the flock, feeding the goats, horses, mini donkeys, and their mini horse, Bandit.

young children riding a mini donkey

To do these chores they have to measure the feed after choosing the right one for each animal set. They have to work gates, maneuver around fencing to get to feed tubs, and remain in charge of each bucket of feed to prevent the minis and goats from getting into it while they move around the barnyard to deliver it.

I think that last part is the most challenging myself, but they have never had a dumped feed bucket or allowed any animal to push them around. Being as Ariyah is 1 ½, Auddie is 3 ½ and Colt is 4 ½, I think they are doing an excellent job learning how to be self-reliant and responsible.

Anyway, Ariyah used to absolutely love getting on the horses. It did not matter which one or how tall it was, she wanted to sit on it – all by herself if possible, ride, and be led around. She fussed when she had to get off of the horse.

For the last several months, the exact opposite has proven to be true. She screams when put on a horse. She went through this same stage when the goats came near her but is now back to petting and feeding them. Ariyah will feed and pet the horses, but does not want to be on top of one.

little girl feeding a mini horse

Brea and I thought that Ariyah might get back into the swing of things if she sat on top of Bandit along with Auddie and Colt instead of by herself. Well, fellow preppers, that was our first mistake. The second might have been instructing Colt to wrap his arms tightly around his youngest sister to make sure she did not fall off – she was in front by Bandit’s neck.

I am not sure which part of the experience Ariyah hated worse, being on Bandit or the big bear hug by her brother, but she started screaming and fussing, and wriggling around.

I was standing directly behind Bandit and Brea right next to him on his right side. He decided to bolt to get the heck away from whatever was doing all of that screaming and moving on his back. I imagine he thought it was the most enormous and loudest horse fly ever.

He bolted, I leaned in and hooked all three kids with one arm and then wrapped my other arm around them as he ran – holding them all in the air slightly above him just briefly. As Brea cheered my quick movements, I calmly told her to grab them. The adorable mini horse stomped my left foot twice – hard, trying to make his grand escape, and I thought it was broken.

It is not broken, but it hurts like heck. Bandit only weighs around 300 pounds, but those two stomps to my feet ripped off most of a toenail and chipped a tiny bone on the left side of the foot. Now, being preppers, we have crutches and a wheelchair so we were prepared for the injury I sustained after a cute photo op went awry.

I didn’t end up using the crutches, but still might. I kept alternating ice and light walking on the foot, just as I would have had one of my student athletes do. Used to doctors and trainers wanted you off a sprain, strain, or similar injury but not anymore.

The “walk it off” theory still seems to be the best course of action. Shortly I am going to soak some brown paper bag pieces in apple cider vinegar and wrap them around my foot to help reduce the swelling and associated pain – this simple coaching trick works wonders.

In other preps, ones I had not part in accomplishing, a new muffler was welded out of spare parts and added to the wood splitter, some more work was completed on whatever it was that quit working on the Polaris Ranger this week, all tractors were given a tune up, and some backhoe work was done on our road. I am hoping to get a tribe member to do some new pond digging on the backhoe this weekend.

I am intrigued by the idea of learning how to throw knives and tomahawks, as a prep, exercise, and fun. If any of you have any tips and knife recommendations, please let me know. Regardless of how this foot deal shakes out over the weekend, I am definitely making some Amish black drawing salve – a task that can be completed entirely seated!

littel girls playing with livestock

This Week’s Questions

  1. What is the most stupid and avoidable injury you have ever sustained while prepping or just living in the country?
  2. If you could pick just one non-firearm weapon as a prep, what would it be and why?
  3. Have you ever made or used Amish black drawing salve? Experiences or recipes to share?
  4. What did you do to prep this week?

Tara Dodrill

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Tara Dodrill is a homesteading and survival journalist and author. She lives on a small ranch with her family in Appalachia. She has been both a host and frequent guest on preparedness radio shows. In addition to the publication of her first book, 'Power Grid Down: How to Prepare, Survive, and Thrive after the Lights go Out', Dodrill also travels to offer prepping tips and hands-on training and survival camps and expos.
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132 thoughts on “What I Did To Prep This Week – Week 60: September 1st – September 7th 2019

    1. Puppy had an unusual encounter with a skeleton werewolf. Its a Halloween decoration that howls, its eyes glow red and its jaw moves. I bought it from home depot and asked if it had a return policy if its head got ripped off. I thought puppy might kill it but instead when it howls he comes over and sniffs his butt. LOL

      Electrical
      Charged AA & AAA batteries
      Charged rechargeable radio transceivers
      Charged solar generator
      Charged rechargeable flashlights
      Charged sealed lead acid power source

      Fuel
      Topped off all vehicles
      Bought another propane tank for the grill.

      Water
      Bought 2 cases of water

      Security
      Tested the new AA AR15 upper, it functioned flawlessly and only needed a one click adjustment to zero. I love that laser bore sighter from laserlyte.
      The AR actually fits in the Blanchi ÀR case.

      Practiced mag changes with the Glocks with snap caps with the Mrs. Muscle memory…..

      Medical
      Reorganized medical supplies such as leg,knee,wrist,arm, ankle and finger braces/splints

      Thor’s questions:
      1. Do you think the politicians will pass laws that violate our rights more?
      2. Do you think they will try a gun registration/ confiscation?
      3. If an asteroid was going to hit the Earth in 72 hours and end all life, what would you do?

      1. Tara’s questions:

        1.What is the most stupid and avoidable injury you have ever sustained while prepping or just living in the country?
        2.If you could pick just one non-firearm weapon as a prep, what would it be and why?
        3.Have you ever made or used Amish black drawing salve? Experiences or recipes to share?

        1. Splitting wood with a rapid maul and having it kick back in the shin on a cold snowy day. Ouch.

        2. My gator machete, it has so many uses.

        3. Garlic, cinnamon, cayenne, oregano water.

        Tara, you need to be more careful and stop kidding and horsing around….LOL
        Hope you heal up.

        Prayers for he Bahamians and all affected by the hurricane.

      2. Thor’s questions:

        1. Do you think the politicians will pass laws that violate our rights more?

        Yes, every chance they get when it appears to be of an advantage to them.

        2. Do you think they will try a gun registration/ confiscation?

        Yes, if certain people get elected.

        3. If an asteroid was going to hit the Earth in 72 hours and end all life, what would you do?

        When you’re frightened or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout. Actually, I’d probably start drinking and smoking again. Why not? Might as well be drunk when it hits earth.

        1. Z36, do they still make kools? That was my first cigarette when I used to smoke. I have quit for 22 years now. But why lite beer, get the real stuff, its not like weight will matter. LOL

          1. Thor1 and TOP,

            Miller Lite will do. That was my standard for too many years before I quit. Maybe Molsen Blue would be OK. I always drank that when I went over to Canada. The domestic brand, never the export.

            I didn’t know if Kools are still on the market. I don’t pay attention to that stuff anymore. I researched Google and they still are selling. They were very popular in urban areas in the past.

      3. Thor’s questions:
        1. Do you think the politicians will pass laws that violate our rights more?
        Not any more than normal; but, I think they’ll try, and either fail or get a rude wakening when a real rebellion starts in their face. I am reminded of a time during WW II, when the pope was against the Nazi’s and the axis powers, and an unconcerned Stalin, showing his contempt for the Church was shown by his simple question: “How many divisions does he have, anyway?”. I would ask the same of Bernie, Elizabeth, and all of their ilk.
        2. Do you think they will try a gun registration/ confiscation?
        They have been trying since 1968 and once again, except for a few small pockets of insanity like the PDRK they will fail, due if nothing else to the civil disobedience of the gun owning population.
        3. If an asteroid was going to hit the Earth in 72 hours and end all life, what would you do?
        I would contact all of my friends and family to tell them I loved them, put on some good music, and cuddle up with the DW and wait, all the while keeping my fingers crossed. 65,000,000 years ago an impact wiped out the dinosaurs; but, did not kill all life and well may have been a new beginning for some. If I am still around when the dust settles, I will grab a broom, and do what I can.

        1. Top, I agree with 1&2 but what would I do in 3 days if the end was coming….

          See how fast the vet could go.
          Drive the Jeep through everyone’s front yard in the neighborhood.
          Shoot a lot of guns in the backyard.
          Cook up a couple of big porterhouse on the grill for family & puppy.
          Take puppy for a walk and play Frisbee with him.
          Like Z36 a good bottle of Scotch & cigar.
          The Mrs. Said smoke pot and go up in smoke…LOL
          Then just cuddle….

        2. Top hey, if you are going to go out you might as well have some fun or whats the point!!!

          LOL You are only as old as you feel……

          1. Thor1,

            Top hey, if you are going to go out you might as well have some fun or whats the point!!!

            I don’t consider shooting at or being shot at by anyone for any reason to be fun

            LOL You are only as old as you feel

            Well sort of.
            Mentally I usually feel like I’m in my 20’s or 30’s with my mental acuity as sharp as ever; but, then the brain tells the body to do something that just doesn’t work.
            Our EMA was out doing some work a few weeks ago at a fairground and one of the guys offered the DW and I a ride back to our vehicle in the JD Gator. She sat shotgun beside him and I got into the bed as I had done with this and pickup trucks many times.
            I placed my foot on the trailer ball, my hands on the tailgate, and heaved myself over into the bed, except the heaving part failed to function. I ended up leaning over the tailgate and rolling into the bed. The brain knew what to do; but, the arms refused; however, I’m working on that.

    2. I have helped a friend charter a boat to Abaco and to deliver life-saving supplies. I parted with a good many supplies–like 24 cases of “Mormon” food. I can’t see what good this food does me while others are going without. I purchased “Mormon” food with the understanding that it was purchased “at cost”–with the labor being Mormons. I really didn’t intend this post to be about “Mormons”. I just wanted to say that the food they sold me (for cheap) is now going to help the folks in Abaco. I have been working 16 hour days to get food over there. I have donated more than half my food supply to folks in need. I am so exhausted that I probably can’t even spell my own name.

      1. Bravo to you Bam Bam.
        You are showing the world that one person can make a difference and that people on their own or in groups quite often are more charitable than any government program.
        From my perspective, the leftist are just greedy and lazy and government handouts only ease their conscience while they point their fingers at the rest of us.
        Tax records released by major candidates often show that the leftists who make tons of money, often donate the least of it.

  1. I did my low-carb grocery shopping this week. Added a little to my stash as usual. Did some weekly cooking.

    I didn’t do any real prepping acquisitions this week. Just got my apartment squared away for the potential hurricane impact, which for Orlando, turned out to be a nothing burger. We got some rain as the bands came through, but nothing really bad. Heavy for brief periods, but generally just a steady rain for a half-hour then the band moved on. No damage to my property or around the complex. Put my balcony furniture back out on Thursday. It was a good excuse to sweep down the balcony as well. Granddaughter helped with the dustpan and her feet ended up filthy. 😊

    Well, I did make my monthly freeze-dried food order, six-pack of Mountain House Italian Style Pepper Steak with Rice. I find this particular menu item to be very tasty.

    The Ex had a papaya tree blow over at the house (up for sale). It was loaded with unripe fruit. It looks like the tree can be replanted, but the fruit will have to be picked. Evidently, unripe papaya can be salvaged and pickled. She plans to do that and replant the tree. A Cuban friend sent her a pickling recipe she likes. Our son is going to get a couple of friends to come over as slave labor and help replant. No other damage at the house, just a really nerved up Miniature Pinscher and a mellow Chihuahua. Storms do not bother that little dog a bit.

    I really feel sorry for the folks in the Bahamas. There just isn’t much they could do to prep for that storm other than fly to some place well south. Assuming one had the money and airlines had the seats, that is. Bugging out was otherwise moving from one flat spot to another flat spot. Worse than Florida is. At least we have some bug-out options they don’t (if taken soon enough).

    I guess #1 daughter’s unit is sending some Pave Hawks to help out in the earlier part of search and rescue. After a week or so, their specialist skills aren’t really needed. The US Coast Guard and regular helo units can handle things from there.

    Tara’s questions:

    1. What is the most stupid and avoidable injury you have ever sustained while prepping or just living in the country?

    I can’t really think of anything special. The closest I can come to is falling off a ladder while doing some roof work about 10-12 years ago. Screwed up my knee enough to require a trip to the ER for an x-ray. Nothing broken, but well sprained.

    2. If you could pick just one non-firearm weapon as a prep, what would it be and why?

    A Marine Corps KA-Bar knife. They are excellent knives for utility work and fighting. I don’t have mine from Vietnam anymore (lost it in a field exercise after Vietnam), but I do have my fathers from WWII. I have a couple of other knives I would probably use before dad’s KA-Bar, simply to preserve it as memorabilia.

    3. Have you ever made or used Amish black drawing salve? Experiences or recipes to share?

    No experience at all with black salve, or any recipes.

    4. What did you do to prep this week?

    See above.

    1. Not much prepping this week. Got a good deal on a 35 gallon water tank cheap and cleaned it up from being outside, moved it to the shelter and filled it with water. Went through my PM stash and rolled some of the loose 90% silver that I’ve accumulated in dribs and drabs. It added up to more than I thought face value wise.

      The most stupid and avoidable accident I had was years ago when I was first hired by Southern Bell as an installer/repairman. I was given my tool set, climbing belt and spikes before I went off to climbing school. I thought I was smart so I strapped on the spikes at the pole in front of our house and took a step up. I got both feet planted into the pole and felt very proud. I stepped down with one foot and when I stepped down with the other I planted the spike in the back of my heel. It was so sharp I didn’t feel it but when I took a step I felt the blood filling my shoe. Nice inverted V scar on the back and I hobbled for a few days while it was heeling. It was a silly and stupid mistake.

      What non-firearm weapon would I pick. I’m partial to my K-Bar. I had one my issue one on a missing in a Far East country many years ago. I was there as an Morse intel collector using HF radios at a forward base when we were attacked. I had an M16 but only one magazine (I wasn’t supposed to be fighting) and when we got over run that magazine was empty in a heartbeat. I was attacked by a non-friendly with his rifle and bayonet, he was also out of ammo (ammo management is not well practiced in the middle of combat on either side). We went face to face and hand to hand and my K-Bar won and I only got minor scratches while he got dead. I would take that in a fight over bare hands or just about any other non-firearm piece. Besides it feels really good in the hand and rides easy on the hip.

      I am familiar with black drawing salve from my childhood. We were prone to “risins” as they were called at the time and once they started to develop a core, out would come the black drawing salve. It smelled bad but would bring it to a head so the core could be popped out and healing would being. Not sure how it was made or what it was made of but it was good stuff. Another go to salve from my youth was Watkins Petrocarbo Salve and mom put it on everything from the hole in my foot from stepping on a nail to the dogs when they had sores. I’ve seen it a couple of times in recent years but it doesn’t smell like it used to so not sure what the difference is.

      No rain in a while here in Georgia but the grass is still growing and the pecan tree is making plenty of pecans to feed the squirrels.

      Keep praying, keep prepping and keep smiling.

      1. Cliff in Douglasville,

        Nice inverted V scar on the back and I hobbled for a few days while it was heeling. It was a silly and stupid mistake.

        Most of the good ones are silly and stupid, aren’t they? LOL

        No rain in a while here in Georgia but the grass is still growing and the pecan tree is making plenty of pecans to feed the squirrels.

        I love pecans and think I would harvest them if they grew here; but, since I have the same thing with black walnuts, perhaps mine would also feed the squirrels, since they are really hard to harvest & process.

    2. Z36, from what I hear people are shooting at people for food and water. People taking over houses that are left standing at gun point.

    3. Zulu 3-6,

      A Marine Corps KA-Bar knife. They are excellent knives for utility work and fighting.

      I have a KA-Bar as well as a lot of other cutlery and have some training; but, for close in encounters, knives scare me more than firearms. There are numerous ways to pin the cylinder or at least keep out of the line of fire; but, a knife can do damage in too many ways & directions. My NunChaKu gives little old me, at least a small standoff distance.

    4. Zulu,

      I am glad we were not impacted by Dorian. I do have a question for you and the rest of the pack. When do you go full tilt boogie with water storage? Or perhaps better, what is the danger threshold for doing all water preps? We only went to level 2 (on my subjective scale). Level one is just having 6-10 cases of water. This is our standard. Level 2 would be getting extra cases, which we did for Dorian. Levels 3 would involve filling up the 7-gallon aqua tanks that we got from walmart. We have eight of these. We have never done Levels 4 and 5–filling up the water barrel and the water bob. Here’s my main concern: how to you empty the water bob?

      1. Bam Bam,

        I generally keep about 20 cases or so of water all of the time (32-bottle cases). I also have a DIY Berkey style water purification system that I filled for the first time this hurricane since it needed a run-through anyway. I did not reach my threshold to fill the WaterBOB. Had Dorian come ashore around Vera Beach then turn north, I would have filled it the day before land fall. A WaterBOB is a one-time use only thing. To empty it, I slash the bottom near the tub drain with a knife and let it empty.

        1. Z36,

          Why is the waterBOB a one time use? I just bought one and was wondering why it’s a one time use Can’t it be emptied and put away for next time? Is it because water would be trapped in there and mold over time? What if it was placed in a bucket with a lid after it was used, or put in a vacuum sealed bag that would suck all the water out. Once all the water was sucked out and discarded from the food saver, couldn’t it be sealed? If someone has a Berkey like system, putting in bad water, it will be cleaned.

          1. My water BoB (and this is my 3rd of 4th) has always been in the tub for flushing the commode. It comes with a pump so you can pump out an appropriate size bucket of water to do the deed. I have never considered it usable more than once (I keep the pumps as they are very useful in other settings). I agree at $24 or so dollars it is a little expensive to toss out, but I’ve found that you can never get all the water out. There is condensation in the top, there are folds that hold water and it’s really difficult to dry out. You would spend a lot of money on oxygen absorbers to get it dry, if you ever did, and it will never fold back up the way it came out of the wrapping. Do with it what you will, but experience told me to buy a couple and I’ve used a few due to water line construction and such.

            As an aside, in prep for Y2K (anyone remember that?), I bought a king size waveless water bed mattress and build a 2×6 inch wood frame around it and filled that up. It sat on the basement floor for 6 or 8 months. I topped it off with bleach but never considered it potable water. At the end of the time period I tried pumping out the water. Not all of it would come out. Even when I thought it was empty it was too much for me to manhandle so I took a blade to it and took it out in sections. Even though it was waveless it still had some kind of batting inside it that held water and was heavy as heck. It was a good idea for a storage of grey water and it might have been OK to run through the Berky but it never got to that.

            Keep praying, keep prepping, keep smiling.

          2. AT,

            Reusing a WaterBOB is pretty much exactly as described by Cliff. You can’t get it all out and will eventually cause mold. You can keep water in one for longer than the company recommends by using bleach or other purification methods, or using it for flushing toilets or grey water purposes if you can keep it reasonably close to potable. I’d rather not use skunky water to wash my clothes (although BTDT in the Marines).

            I’ve only felt the need to use two WaterBOBs so far, although I have four spares. Since I don’t feel like trying to dry them out thoroughly (very difficult), I just slash the bottom, drain what I can, and pitch the bladder. I too keep the pumps as they can be used for other projects.

          3. Cliff in Douglasville,

            I could not find a BOB for less than $38… Someone had the nerve to price one at $140, and another person at $299 on ebay. Shameful. I sent a message to the one that had it for $140, calling them out on their price. No response as of yet… And I wonder if they could get in trouble for price gouging… I guess if someone doesn’t do their homework, it’s buyer beware. If someone has a better price, I would love to know.

          4. Price gouging is unconscionable and especially at a time like this when there are people needing food and water. I admit that I haven’t bought a Waterbob in quite a while. I tend to stock up on things when I find them and then unless I reach a designated resupply point I don’t revisit the item. I would be hard pressed to pay 38 dollars for one and no way over 100. If it gets to that point I’ll get out one or two of the grandkids inflatable pools, put them in the back yard, blow them up, put water in them and cover with heavy clear plastic and use as necessary. I’ve drank kiddie pool water a few times (not after the kids have peed in it) and it’s not that bad but is best kept for grey water.

          5. Almost There,

            Why is the waterBOB a one time use? I just bought one and was wondering why it’s a one time use Can’t it be emptied and put away for next time?

            Actually it may be drained and put away if you are willing to take the time and hassle to do so.
            We did this years ago with our first one and were sort of successful; but, there is still moisture in the bladder that could potentially grow nasty stuff.
            You can very nearly drain it with the siphon pump; but, even an inch of water left in the thing means it’s like wrestling a heavy grease pig that won’t stay put as you try to position the fill tube to drain out the remaining water.

            Is it because water would be trapped in there and mold over time? What if it was placed in a bucket with a lid after it was used, or put in a vacuum sealed bag that would suck all the water out. Once all the water was sucked out and discarded from the food saver, couldn’t it be sealed?

            All of that; but, I would not used a food saver and even a shop vacuum will only suck the bladder into a tight ball with at least some moisture trapped inside.
            Inflating it and blowing warm dry air into it releasing the air and the moisture through the siphon pump hole to dry it out might work; but, for around $30.00 it’s not worth my time (many hours) and hassle to try and reuse it.
            It’s JMHO and YMMV.

            If someone has a Berkey like system, putting in bad water, it will be cleaned.

            True; but, you should not use cloudy water, filtering at least through a towel or coffee filter to get it as clear as possible.

          6. Cliff in Douglasville,

            My water BoB (and this is my 3rd of 4th) has always been in the tub for flushing the commode. It comes with a pump so you can pump out an appropriate size bucket of water to do the deed. I have never considered it usable more than once (I keep the pumps as they are very useful in other settings). I agree at $24 or so dollars it is a little expensive to toss out, but I’ve found that you can never get all the water out. There is condensation in the top, there are folds that hold water and it’s really difficult to dry out.

            We used our first experimental one for potable water, meaning it can be ingested without harm; but, it does take on a nasty taste.
            For flushing we keep 5 gallon buckets almost full with a loose lid on top to keep out the bugs. This does of course require some storage space.

            it will never fold back up the way it came out of the wrapping.

            Just like so many other things such as Mylar, space blankets. LOL

            As an aside, in prep for Y2K (anyone remember that?), I bought a king size waveless water bed mattress and build a 2×6 inch wood frame around it and filled that up. It sat on the basement floor for 6 or 8 months.

            I had a king size waterbed I slept on for nearly 10 years. I build a base for it out of 2×10’s & plywood, and a frame on top to contain it. We actually move that thing twice, with two teenage boys to help.
            The baffles for the wave less part did tend to hold water and it was much like a large water BOB with the big difference being instead of wrestling a greased pig, it was more like a greased hippo.
            A big bag of water like that does require a heater, which was apad laying under it and plugged into the wall. The final episode was when the heater shorted out; but, managed to burn a hole in the bottom of the bed before blowing a fuse.
            A shop vac and many towels cleaned up the mess, as did a few holes drilled into the floor for drainage into the basement.
            A backup water source was always in the back of my mind; but, it never came to that.

            I tried pumping out the water. Not all of it would come out. Even when I thought it was empty it was too much for me to manhandle

            Yep, that greased pig or hippo. LOL

            Even though it was waveless it still had some kind of batting inside it that held water and was heavy as heck.

            Those were the plastic baffles (loose walls) to keep the water from sloshing around and did hold water.
            Memories of long ago

          7. Cliff in Douglasville & Almost There,
            I think I paid around $18-20 for the ones I have; but, Amazon has them here for $35.00. You’ll add tax and shipping if you’re not a Prime Member, so for me they would run about $37.50.
            Inflation is small; but, very real.
            As for price gouging I don’t think that applies for online, since they can ship anywhere.
            Locals like Home Depot, etc. would be the ones that may be charged with gouging and in some jurisdictions, it’s a real crime with real penalties.

          8. TOP,

            Price gouging is treated as seriously as a heart attack here in Florida during hurricanes. They start advertising the price gouging hotlines very early and they try hard to catch as many gougers as possible. I think the fine is $1,000.00 per offense. It’s a civil fine and it can go up to $25,000 for multiple violations within a 24-hour period. Plus some gougers “forget” to charge sales tax on those items, so that adds 2d degree misdemeanor charges.

            Most legit big box stores know better. It’s usually the independently owned gas stations, motels, and party stores that do the naughty things.

          9. Almost There,

            How is the water cloudy? It is coming from the bathtub faucet, which is drinkable water.

            That’s my mistake. I took the filter question to be separate from the BOB question. Since the water BOB is BPA free, you can drink it right from the bladder; but, it does have a bit of a funny taste; however, in my case, municipal water with chlorine has a funny taste.
            The filter would take care of that if it’s objectionable; but, could also filter water from your pool, rain catchment system, creek or pond which is why I added the cloudy part.

          10. Zulu 3-6,

            Most legit big box stores know better. It’s usually the independently owned gas stations, motels, and party stores that do the naughty things.

            I understand that and my point had to do with local retailers anywhere in an emergency.
            If I have a quantity of any item and put them on eBay for any price, Florida officials cannot say I am price gouging since no one is forced to purchase from me and wait days for the item to arrive.
            People selling the bags of ice or cases of water locally at much inflated prices, OTOH do have an immediate effect on the locals and should be fined or worse.
            While our events tend to not be as widespread as yours, when a major city like Dayton gets hit with a tornado outbreak, we have similar laws here for the local affected area..
            Not being gouged or merely running out is of course why most of us forward thinking folks try to mitigate thing with our own small stocks to beat the rush and have time to focus on the essentials.

          11. Yea socialism, so I decide to sell some of my preps in an emergency but I do not get to set my price, the goverment does. What if the people who did not make preparations and need my stuff have no money, do they still get a fair share of my stuff?

            Sure, it is great that a guy who has done well buys $50,000 worth of generators and pays to send them to the Bahamas. People who have less means could borrow money (Capitalism) and get thousands more there but can only charge what Costco was selling them for before the storm. Not happening, what will happen is a no bid goverment contract will be giving to an insider who will charge three times what the generators are worth and half of them will be stolen before they get off the dock. But at least there was no price gouging.

      2. Bam Bam,

        I do have a question for you and the rest of the pack. When do you go full tilt boogie with water storage? Or perhaps better, what is the danger threshold for doing all water preps?

        Since we are in very different situations I’ll keep mine relatively short.
        We generally keep 3-4 cases of water on hand, with at least 6 bottles in one of the refrigerators.
        We also keep 2 or 3 5-gallon buckets with loose lids for emergency flushing, in case of a pump failure, which has happened 3 times in the past 35 years, each time requiring replacement.
        As long as the pump is working and we have propane for the generator, we normally have no water problems.
        Like Zulu, I have three of the bucket based water filter systems, with one of them yet to be constructed and both the creek on the property and local farm ponds for a water source should it come down to that.
        I have some food grade barrels to set up a catchment system and an unused water BOB. I used one water BOB years ago for practice, and agree with Zulu that it’s pretty much a single use device. We tried emptying our first experiment and were mostly successful; but, there was still moisture in the bladder and it was like wrestling a greased pig, so they are inexpensive enough to just toss.
        I think the best water prep for you and for that matter, for everyone else is a filter system, purchasing either the Big Berkey or its equivalent, or doing what ZULU and I did, purchasing the filter elements, some food grade buckets, and building your own. At that point any local water source like a creek, pond, or swimming pool can keep you hydrated.
        Construction of the filter system is easy, requiring only a drill, a few drill bits, and some time and as I recall, you (or someone) posted some Church Men’s Group a while back that had suitable filters available.

        1. Bam Bam,
          Here’s one of the filter system kits I purchased.
          Gravity Water Filter Kit for DIY Purifier, Includes .2 Micron Ceramic Filter, Pre Filter, Dispenser, and Instructions by SHTFandGO
          https://www.amazon.com/Gravity-Purifier-Dispenser-Instructions-SHTFandGO/dp/B00XTJJIF2/ref=asc_df_B00XTJJIF2/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309802514774&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17479181069436081261&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9015383&hvtargid=aud-801381245258:pla-583432860191&psc=1

          All you need are a few buckets, a drill and some drill bits, solving your emergency situation problem for about $30.00.

          1. Bam Bam,

            And making a wanna-be Berkey doesn’t take much time at all if you have the drill and bits. I’ve made two, one for me and one for #1 daughter. Plus I have a spare set of filters to either make another system, or to replace the existing filters (1,000 or so gallons later).

            Just for my convenience, I also put Gamma lids on the top bucket and on a third bucket I would use for fetching water from the swimming pool or local lake. Gamma lids are not an absolute requirement if you don’t want to spend the cash.

  2. Good Morning! Third isn’t bad this week. I didn’t get much done last week as I was camping with a group of people. I did get some much needed exercise in the form of climbing the ‘Bear Hair Trail’, andeating way too much food. What can you do when one invites you to share blueberry cobbler, Peach cobbler, and homemade vanilla ice cream and homemade peach ice cream? You eat!

    For Tara’s questions this week, the stupidest accident I had was to sit the chainsaw on thedeckandyank the cord. Of course the saw, being attached to the pullcord flew offthedeckand onto bothshins, blade first! Dang it! More scrapes! Atleastitwas running! Lesson learned! (Note: I do not have the strength to just hold the saw in one hand and pull cord with other hand and start it.). My Method is to put one food on the handle and yank cord upward. Withtheyhad. Electric starters! Used to have a McCulluah,and it was perfect for me! Easystart. Wonder if cord tension can be loosened?

    I really like my Glock 19

    No experience with black drawing sauve – yet.

    No prepping this week. Busy painting and getting outside projects completed before weather changes.

    Blessings to everyone on this site, and to those in Bahamas. Awlful to see the destruction left behind. Glad Pres Trump loosened entry restrictions for those affected by hurricane, so that they could fly to U.S. andhunker down with family.

    1. Jean,

      I do not have the strength to just hold the saw in one hand and pull cord with other hand and start it.). My Method is to put one food on the handle and yank cord upward. With they had. Electric starters!?

      Placing your foot instead of your food on the saw is actually the ”correct: way; but, most of us do the more dangerous “Drop Start”. You hold the saw in one hand, and the cord in the other and as you gently hold and pull, you drop the saw while still holding it, which required much less arm strength.
      It is also more dangerous than using your foot; but, everyone I know does it that way, and all of us still have our fingers, toes, and other limbs intact. So far.

    2. Jean,

      Do not listen to O.P. about chainsaws. He knows nothing about women and machines. Cook pie. Let those who can’t cook pie run the chainsaw. 🙂

      1. Bam Bam,

        Do not listen to O.P. about chainsaws.

        Actually I know a lot about chainsaws and have been using my 16” Stihl 028 Wood Boss since its purchase in 1975. The proper way to start a saw is with your foot on the underside of the grip on a solid surface. BLACK was over with his 20” Stihl MS361 helping with that big black walnut and we joked about how he incorrectly drop starts his saw the same way. My latest acquisitions are a 10” Ryobi electric pole saw and a 10” Ryobi ONE+ battery powered saw, that is lighter, easier to handle and requires no fuel.

        He knows nothing about women and machines.

        I don’t need to know too much about women, other than the one I’ve been married to for 37 years.
        As for machinery, I know about it; but, with my vision issues, some things are best left to the professionals if I can afford the price, and I generally can for important things.

        Cook pie. Let those who can’t cook pie run the chainsaw. 🙂

        I can do both and haven’t found anything I cannot cook with enough time and preparation. The DW would generally agree; however, she still thinks I need more practice on the cleanup end of the meals. LOL.
        It’s a simple division of labor, where I cook the food and make the mess and she eats the food and cleans up, LOL

  3. Hello,

    1- Stupid and avoidable injuries? Most involved the overconsumption of adult beverages in my late teens and twenties. Thank God I’ve never hurt anyone else.
    2- I’m in total agreement with Zulu. A Marine K- Bar. I’ve carried one every time I was in the field. It’s capable of just about everything.
    3- Never heard of it until now.
    4- This week, we battened down the hatches in case Dorian hit Massachusetts. I didn’t need to buy anything “hurricane specific” because I already have it all. ( This is why we prep!)
    Other than that, I bought some extra soap, toothpaste, toothbrushes, and TP. My neighbor did some PM on our vehicles. My van burns a little bit of oil ( he said they tend to) so he put in one of those extra viscous BG additives as well as a top-off.
    I bought a few boxes of 12 Gauge 00 buck and some more 5.56 ball. We laughed about Walmart’s globalist cuckold CEO caving in on ammunition sales. It’s going to be good news for the local gun shops. Buy it cheap and stack it deep!!

  4. This Week’s Questions

    1. What is the most stupid and avoidable injury you have ever sustained while prepping or just living in the country? Nothing real bad – yet.

    2. If you could pick just one non-firearm weapon as a prep, what would it be and why? My Cold Steel Kukri.

    3. Have you ever made or used Amish black drawing salve? Experiences or recipes to share? I have used black drawing salve, not Amish though.

    4. What did you do to prep this week?

    The garage got painted! The DW commented that the final coat went on much smoother than she thought, based upon priming the rough wood. Since I can’t really do ladders, I have been running the errands and some work from the ground. Looks good, it could use a little touch up; maybe later.

    Got in my Olight Seaker 2 flashlight, rechargeable, 3000 Lumen, 3 LED/brightness settings, w/magnetic charger attachment. I will be getting the wall mount charging station and replacing 2 other quality lights. I may even get another for the camp trailer w/the charging mount. Great size and features. The 13T is like a AAA Streamlight flashlight my DW really likes (but has lost 2).

    With the theft of 3 guns off tables at the last show, I ordered and got in a second 34”x23”x3” display case. It cost $111 delivered vs. the cost of a stolen gun or scope; seemed like a no brainer to me.

    Brought in all the 2-gallon buckets from storage, replacing lids that are not secure.

    Although WalMart is no longer a “go-to” destination for us (with their change in policy), I did stop in because they have the cheapest price on my preferred 22 Mag ammo. While I was there, I noticed they had Winchester 22 LR ammo marked down. It is my preferred type, Power Point 40 gr HP’s. They were closing them out at $5/100! (Normally $9 – $12 per 100) They now have one case less to worry about moving.

    Getting started with a group of LMI’s “near here” (it is Montana, close is relative). Just a “meet and greet”, so we’ll see where it goes.

    Supply Run: Mag-Pul AR foregrip; beans, Low Salt SPAM, dehydrated hash browns; canned chicken; rice; pasta; ammo;

    Received: Movie; Olight Flashlight set (13T + Seaker 2 w/clip); display case (for gun shows), acrylic rods for display cases;

      1. It says it has a 220 meter “throw”! When I’m out in the woods, I don’t have that far I can see in a straight line. It’s actually slighly smaller than my Surefire 6P.

    1. JP,

      Supply Run: Mag-Pul AR foregrip; beans, Low Salt SPAM, dehydrated hash browns; canned chicken; rice; pasta; ammo

      We didn’t even know about the low sodium SPAM until your mention of it a while back, we’ve tried it and really like it.
      The other day the DW was opening a can saying she was craving it.
      Being on a low sodium diet I hadn’t had SPAM in a while; but, this works well for our need.
      Thanks again.
      We may now have to try the hash browns that could be the perfect side.

  5. Hi Tara, Dan, & all,

    No illnesses here; but, all of the little children have been gone for 2 decades. The DW would like grand children some day; but, I guess there is that one downside. LOL
    Our little three legged rescue goat Maryann (now gone) like your Pearl, gives you appreciation for how critters can cope with something as significant as a missing limb, since Maryann romped and climbed like there was nothing wrong or missing. People could learn a lot from ”dumb” animals.

    My beloved nanny goat simply refused to deliver her kids during nice weather or broad daylight.

    One has to think if this might be an evolutionary trait, since predators may be less likely out & about during that same inclement weather.

    Bandit only weighs around 300 pounds, but those two stomps to my feet ripped off most of a toenail and chipped a tiny bone on the left side of the foot.

    I suspect you like anyone with horses knows Barn Sense; but, what this shows me is how a parent or grandparent will often throw caution to the wind when protecting our young. Better your foot than a grand kidoe’s head or broken bone. Good catch!!!!

    I am intrigued by the idea of learning how to throw knives and tomahawks, as a prep, exercise, and fun. If any of you have any tips and knife recommendations, please let me know.

    I’ve not thrown knives all that much; but, have several tomahawks, including some specifically balanced for throwing. For those I would recommend a good wide backstop, a full overhead arc of the throwing arm, releasing right as the arc turns downward. Use a ballistic trajectory and practice, practice, practice.
    While the trajectory is normally more flat, it’s not unlike learning to toss a basketball.

    Tara’s Questions
    1. What is the most stupid and avoidable injury you have ever sustained while prepping or just living in the country?
    Mine is almost embarrassing; but, was recoverable without too much damage. It was Thanksgiving and I was preparing a large Turkey for the oven. I had spread a thick layer of butter over the turkey skin and was in the process of putting in the stuffing, when I noticed a large chunk of fat. Grabbing a serrated knife the wrong direction (as if to stab something) I proceeded to cut out the fat with my hands still butter covered. The knife hit something solid, my hands slipped down and across the blade, and I cut through the web of my hand. I quickly rinsed the wound, wrapped it in a paper towel, placed the turkey in the refrigerator, and headed to the local E.R, since this cut was well beyond self treatment using only my left (non dominant) hand. After a shot of lidocaine or something in the hand, a few stitches and a bandage later, I returned home and finished preparing and cooking the turkey. The lesson learned, was to slow down and take your time, even more applicable as we age.
    2. If you could pick just one non-firearm weapon as a prep, what would it be and why?
    I’ve already chosen mine. The NunChaKu, since I started training with it more than 50 years ago and for close in defense, I’ve found nothing much better; however, the short Bo staff runs a close second. The short staff easily translates to a broom stick, mop handle, or even a rolled up magazine or newspaper. For standoff defense I however still prefer a firearm.
    3. Have you ever made or used Amish black drawing salve? Experiences or recipes to share?
    No; but, I have used various poultices in my misspent youth, often roaming the hills in your area of the state; but, don’t really remember the recipes.
    4. What did you do to prep this week?
    As always: see below.

    TOP’s question
    1. Since the antics of the democrat challengers each trying to outspend the other has me just shaking my head in disbelief, do you think the U.S. population is dump or greedy enough to vote in one of the democrats and replace Trump.
    2. Does the chaos in Hong Kong show us that China cannot be trusted to obey any treaty or agreement they make?
    3. Do you think Brexit will ever actually happen?
    4. Do you think a peace treaty with the Talban is possible or even feasible?

    This week we acquired and did the following.
    1. While Decluttering I found a 5 gallon bucket with a Gamma Seal lid tucked away, evidently for quite some time. It contained a gold mine of previously purchased items:
    • Ceramic Knife Sharpener
    • Filet Knife Folding (Outdoor Edge)
    • Fuel tabs Hexamine 2 tubes – 5 each
    • Fuel tabs Trioxane (4)
    • Identification card deck: Edible and Poisonous plants of the United States
    • Identification cards deck: Edible Wild Foods
    • Long burning campers candles 5 hours each (5)
    • Long burning emergency candles 6-10 hours each (2)
    • Matches 10 inch Fireplace (60)
    • MSR Fuel Bottle 22 Fl Oz (2)
    • Nylon Tent Seam Sealer 2 oz 60 ml (2)
    • Ohio Wildlife Identification Guide (4)
    • Poly Water bottle 1 Quart (4)
    • Shotgun bandoleer
    • Sterno (1 can)
    • Swiss Steel Wallet Multitool
    • Votive candles 2×5 inch (3)
    • Votive candles Pina Colada scented 2.1 cm (h( x 3.4 cm(d) (8)
    2. While I’ve been prepping for more than 40 years and a volunteer with my local county EMA for 20, coverage of hurricane Dorian brought out a metric I had not heard of, with several news articles covering it.
    Hurricane Dorian: Waffle House Index and why FEMA watches it
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/waffle-houses-watched-hurricane-dorian-florida
    From the article

    As Dorian batters the state, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) officials will be keeping a close eye on an unlikely indicator – the Waffle House Index – to measure the severity of the storm.

    Who would have thought such a thing existed?
    3. Single serving pies, 5 cherry, 5 blueberries, 5 peach.
    4. Folgers coffee 14.5 oz canister times 4
    5. Pure cane sugar, 10 lbs
    6. Weed & grass killer concentrate (32 oz) & 1 gallon pump sprayer
    7. Martin Marquis silk and steel, light guitar strings, 2 sets.
    8. BLACK was over and helped me cut down my antennae eating tree. The 65 foot 16 inch diameter black walnut will be split between us and help heat both of our homes next winter.

    1. TOP’s question

      1. Since the antics of the democrat challengers each trying to outspend the other has me just shaking my head in disbelief, do you think the U.S. population is dump or greedy enough to vote in one of the democrats and replace Trump.

      God, I hope not. None of the Democrap candidates have a single functional brain cell among them.

      2. Does the chaos in Hong Kong show us that China cannot be trusted to obey any treaty or agreement they make?

      Nope. China cannot be trusted to do anything that doesn’t benefit China. If that means following a treaty, they will, otherwise they won’t. If I had to put money down, I would bet they won’t follow a treaty in the vast majority of instances as they think they can intimidate other countries into just going along. They used to do that with the US, but Trump don’t play ‘dat.

      3. Do you think Brexit will ever actually happen?

      No. There is too much money for the politicians involved.

      4. Do you think a peace treaty with the Taliban is possible or even feasible?

      The Taliban are Muslims. Therefore they will only do what they think benefits Islam. Just like the Chinese do with China. Unfortunately, Muslims tend to cleave to Islam as a natural instinct a lot closer than the average Chinese cleaves to communism (except when force is used).

    2. Top’s questions:
      1. The Democrats always puts themselves/ power over everyone else. Especially us taxpayers.
      2.Can you trust a communist that runs a protester over with a tank? No
      3. Yes
      4. No

      1. Thor1,

        No one seems to know what happened to that man who stood in front the tank in Tiananmen Square in 1989. All people know is the tank did not run him over. The Chinese government claims they do not know what happened to him or what his name was. Two men in blue clothing were seen dragging him off, but a number of other protesters think they were just bystanders trying to save his life. Who knows for certain?

          1. Thor1,

            If he was waffled, it was out of view of the public and the media present. There are rumors that he was arrested and subsequently executed. There are also rumors that the tank crew was imprisoned for a while for not running him over, although the Chinese government touted their failure to do so as an example of the “merciful nature” of the army. At the same time, there are rumors that Tank Man escaped to Taiwan and lives there to this day.

      1. Babycatcher,

        Send me a chunk of it and i’ll make you both a couple of pens! The blanks need to be 1 in square by 6 inches long

        Black walnut tends to be a bit twisted and knotty; but, I’ll look through the stack and find the best pieces I can find.
        The chunks will be about 16-18 inches long and would require you to rip them to you required size; but, I’ll check in the next few days and let you know.
        Before my vision issues I would have run a few through my lathe; but, that tool was sold long ago, leaving me with only a few shop tools and some good hand tools.

  6. Spent my week hiding from rain bands and watching hurricane coverage plus helping my wife wrangle our granddaughter. I have defiantly had enough of summer and can hardy wait for fall, are at least Florida’s version.

  7. Hi everyone, well its been a fast week again, I had my Birthday last week hubby, was sweet and took the four of us to a nice restaurant and a cheesecake, was waiting at home. First week of school, was fine but a yucky sickness, has all ready started to go around our son takes, vitamins, and our daughter, washes her hands, and try’s very hard to stay away from sick kid’s, but she always gets something she loves her tea, so she’s been keeping hydrated. Hubby, turned a couple of Electrical job’s down they were either just too big or he didn’t have enough time to do them, generators weather is starting up as the winds and rains are coming back to the Western side of Washington, tonight were supposed to get thunder so this afternoon I’ll be moving and putting cushions and plant’s away. I haven’t done a lot of shopping mostly for the refrigerator. I started getting my upstairs in order I’ll be moving boxes around and take some of my mother in laws stuff to our storage unit since she’s not going to move back with us she just can’t. I’ve been rotating stock we need to start eating cereal, I have a few boxes we need to get eating on..

    Tara, on all your questions, are a no I’ve been very careful not to do thing’s that can hurt you burned finger or a cut but nothing major. Everyone have a good weekend, I’m going too 🙂

    1. mom of three,

      It’s hard to stay away from the crud when kids are in school. Granddaughter starts pre-school on Monday and we’ll see what she drags home. Since I’ll be picking her up from school, I’ll have first crack at whatever epidemic comes with her.

      #1 daughter came down with a kick-butt case of sinus infection. She’s been bedridden for two days now and, what is very unusual for her, she has been dealing with a fever too. The doctor prescribed antibiotics but whatever she has is kicking the medications butt too. Granddaughter and her hubby are doing fine (so far).

      I don’t know if it’s related to what #1 has, but I think I have a minor ear infection going on in my right ear. It isn’t terribly bothersome, thank goodness.

  8. Finally finished dh’s ramp for easy in & out of the house until he has muscle strength for the back stairs climb. Ordered roll a ramp via northern tools, selected their 10ft section to go along with the 8ft we already had here at the place. Rigged 2x6x10 foot long braces to go under the ramp (10ft) since they would be carrying the heaviest burden of weight with concrete bricks as the underlying support.
    Recovered from a cold virus that is going around the area, starts with a sore throat then becomes what I term a fake cold, as the normal signs were not the same as a cold. odd. I did not have the stuffy head which usually accompanies a true cold. This was more like some who had allergies with a runny nose. I do not suffer from allergies.

    Happy to be back to being me, not that grumpy person who has not been ill in over 6 years.

    Started with repairs that the house requires, have an appointment for a roof estimate, then underlayment costs due to water leak in the master bathroom. Bathroom leak I fixed the damage done under the house, these old bones can not handle that repair any longer.

    Gathering items to send down to the neice’s yard sale when she has it, she will have to be my sales person. Other items to storage, 2nd hand stores, antique stores, or given to family that want them.

    Tara’s questions:
    1) Avoidable accident? Well growing up on a ranch to many to list. Worst one was not paying attention while getting into the pickup and fell backwards onto the very rocky ground. Chiropractors love me. lol
    2) Dog and a special knife dh bought for me. Knife inside a scaboard which you wear around your neck for quick pull & knife if free of its casing.
    3) I have not made the black drawing sauve but have a friend in TN that makes it. Am interest in the Claifloria sauve made from the calendula flower for healing, as I use it on dh.

    Question: Why is the grandaughter now so afraid of the horses? To go from a child who loves everything she can climb upon to being terrified is a rather odd turn around.

    I am not asking you to respond to this inquiry, but you may wish to ask her why she is afraid now, so you can work on repairing what triggered it.

    1. Antique Collector,

      I did not have the stuffy head which usually accompanies a true cold. This was more like some who had allergies with a runny nose. I do not suffer from allergies.

      Like you I do not suffer from allergies; but, have had those same symptoms all spring and most of the summer. I mentioned this to my primary care doctor while in for my yearly ”Medicare checkup” and she said she was seeing a lot of this, most likely from our horrible, nasty, wet, monsoon like weather, making lots of pollen and mold in the air.

    2. Hi A/C!

      Glad to hear you’re feeling better, sinuses for lots of folks have been really cranky this summer. I was doing well with the generic Flonase as long as I continued taking it, but stopping for a week just reminded me I need to stock up on it a little more.

      Thought I’d drop by over here to let you know TOP bcc:d you on his reply to me a couple days ago, hopefully it didn’t go into a spam folder.

      Best to ACDH!

  9. Thor1
    In a nut shell to your questions please go to Forbes 9/6/19 for a news article about a work around to gain access to your personal data.

    **”Feds demand that Apple and Google hand over names of 10,000+ of gun scope app”. **

    1 & 2) Yes & YES
    3)last meal-Root beer, hamburger, tator totes and sauce from the last mom & pop hamburger place in this valley

    1. AC, I’m glad you don’t have Of or Or in the middle of your name..LOL

      Last 3 days on Earth and your only going to get one last meal…..LOL Must be a good burger.

      Hey, no insult intended but, news flash, the NSA already knows everything. What time you wakeup, what groceries you buy, what you watch on TV or the internet, when you flush your toilet… Ect

      1. Thor1,

        You say NSA knows when you flush your commode. They might do so but it is pretty uninteresting. I worked for NSA or was stationed there in the late 70s, early 80s in the main building. Through my job I ended up with access to stuff that enlisted people usually don’t get access to. The nature of what I did has to do with remote collection of HF signals through satellite signals and entailed getting 5 different mainframe computers to work together. In the process I learned some of what the NSA has stored and I found that there is more data than all the people on earth could process and analyze in all the years we’ve been on the planet. They have so much data and can only tap a small percentage of it. They had a Cray super computer that ran 24/7 and it was processing at a blinding speed at that time but in the end final analysis was done by individuals. So yes, they have the data, no they don’t analyze it all and there were strict prohibitions on collecting intel on US persons (that may have changed in all the years I’ve been out of the business). I wouldn’t worry about what they know. I would worry more about what things they are manipulating in conjunction with the Pentagon and the CIA for the rest of the world in the US interest. Of that you should be afraid, very, very afraid.

        1. Guys,

          Remeber there is a difference between mega-data and usable intelligence. For the “gray man” the idea is to get lost in the background noise.

          1. JP ,

            Remeber there is a difference between mega-data and usable intelligence. For the “gray man” the idea is to get lost in the background noise.

            This reminded me of a lesson I learned in High School.
            I was active in the Engineers club and entered all of the science fairs, often winning at some level. One day the High School principal said hello to me in the hall, by name and it surprised me with a senior class of more than 800 and perhaps twice that many in the building.
            His answer was simple, “I don’t know all of the students; but, do know the really bad ones and the really good ones” with me being the later.
            I suspect getting lost in the data follows the same rules and that case of ammunition I ordered or the small regular orders of freeze dried food Zulu purchases, most likely go unnoticed.
            Point of fact is that most of us are simply just not that important.
            Hang out on child porn sites or terrorist blogs OTOH, and you stick out like a loose nail waiting to be pounded.

        2. Cliff in Douglasville,

          I learned some of what the NSA has stored and I found that there is more data than all the people on earth could process and analyze in all the years we’ve been on the planet. They have so much data and can only tap a small percentage of it. They had a Cray super computer that ran 24/7 and it was processing at a blinding speed at that time but in the end final analysis was done by individuals.

          Cray super computers are now old hat, with their introduction way back in the 1970’s. They were capable machines; and could solve linear problems quickly; but, the problems had to be well understood and custom programmed.
          Today’s technology has entered the realm of A.I. (Artificial Intelligence) and true”Thinking Machines” like the IBM Watson are real functional devices. Turning these machines loose on that data could yield real results and hopefully those controlling the machines are true patriots who take seriously their oath.

          So yes, they have the data, no they don’t analyze it all and there were strict prohibitions on collecting intel on US persons (that may have changed in all the years I’ve been out of the business).

          With that new data center in Utah and the rise of real A.I. that could well be changing. This doesn’t really bother me as long as any kinetic actions still requires human control and involvement.
          Look up the old short story “Klugmeister” written in 1957 or watch the 1970 movie “Colossus: The Forbin Project” and you will get a sense of what putting A.I. in control can do.
          My kid sister has worked in the intelligence community now for 30 years, both in the military and in civilian life and has assured me that eavesdropping on citizens without probable cause and a warrant is still the rule, and Is followed, unless of course you’re a former FBI director.

      2. Thor1,

        Hey, no insult intended but, news flash, the NSA already knows everything. What time you wakeup, what groceries you buy, what you watch on TV or the internet, when you flush your toilet… Ect

        Perhaps for some; but, neither our alarm clock nor our toilet are connected to the internet or any municipal supply and we often pay cash for groceries.
        Facebook just had a breach of thousands of phone numbers and they wonder why my FB account has no personal information.
        We bring internet connected cameras into the house so we can check on the dog with our phone while on vacation.
        We (but not I) store photos and other information on the cloud since it is cheap and convenient.
        NSA used to have to work for such information; but, today, people gladly hand it over, simply for the convenience.
        Privacy may be dead; but, only because each of us had a hand in killing it

        1. Top, FB is nothing but for gathering info. Facial recognition from pictures, friends family common hangouts. Then phones locked with finger or thumb prints. Then GPS tracing….the CIA admitted thats what FB was for and people still use it. LOL

          Are you on grid with electricity? Your well pump runs,….

          Here is an interesting site…..

          https://www.globalsecurity.org/eye/

          1. Thor1,

            Top, FB is nothing but for gathering info. Facial recognition from pictures, friends family common hangouts. Then phones locked with finger or thumb prints. Then GPS tracing….the CIA admitted thats what FB was for and people still use it.

            I’m not sure FB is in cahoots with CIA; but, I generally agree and that’s why I have no photos or personal data other then my name on FB. Our county EMA has an FB page to privately communicate with the members and I belong to a group called Ohio Homesteaders and Gardeners, moderated in part by our own GrammyPrepper; but, that is my limit on using it other than some occasional ham radio groups.

            I’m not sure what you mean by GPS Tracing.

            No photos of me on the net and I don’t used the convenience of face or fingerprint recognition on any devices, nor do I use the cloud, with all of my storage kept local and often encrypted.

            Are you on grid with electricity? Your well pump runs,

            It does and runs all of the time. Flushing the toilet makes up only a very tiny, tiny amount of our water usage along with showers, clothes and dish washing, and watering the garden, all of which pales when compared to continuous watering of 30-50 head of dairy cattle.

            Here is an interesting site

            It is; but, what do we know about it. Other than they are located in Virginia I haven’t been able to determine their veracity; but, I may create an email address to use with them and try them out.

          1. Thor1,

            from on NRA member to another, how do you feel about being called a terrorist by a bunch of fruits and nuts in San Fransisco?

            Actually it doesn’t really bother me, since I’ve been called worse names by better people.
            What does concern me are things like NY governor Andrew Cuomo pressuring banks and insurance companies, many with headquarters in NY to stop working with the NRA, essentially resurrecting the 2013 Operation Choke Point.
            The NY A.G. is also looking into NRA’s NY charter to see if they can break it up that way, once again stopping its activities with banks, and stopping the funding, since they cannot get enough people to support their anti gun position. The NRA is chartered in NY because it was first chartered in the State of New York in 1871 and that charter is still valid (for the time being)

            I think the fumes from the raw sewage has killed what few braincells they may have had.

            Nope. They are just snobby untalented overpaid elitists who think only highly trained people like military, police and their bodyguard’s should have guns.
            It’s evidently really tacky to have to defend one self when others are there to do it on your behalf.

            This is what America faces. Illinois

            That’s only if we allow the big cities and their ilk to get their way.
            Best not talk about failed gun restrictions and the correlation to Chicago gun crime.

      3. Thor1
        I do not have one of those fancy phones, simple flip it open dial a number.
        They would love dh’s watching tv, he is all over the place. Me not so much..lol

        Told dh when it goes to 5G, and our cells no longer work. That is it for phones as we are going cheap, no phones for us. Maybe a tin can with string…rowl

  10. Hi Gang,

    It was really hot this morning outside when I finally dragged my butt out of bed at 10am this morning… Dog tired because I worked OT for 12 hours yesterday… It was very busy, and didn’t get to eat lunch until 3pm… My feet needed a brake, and this morning, they got one. My days are all messed up… And, no Thor1, it’s not the wine this time… Lol

    Allergies have flared up again this week. I have been having to take the Zytec generic every nite for the last 5 nights. It really helps.

    Went to a seminar to learn about saving energy by using a NASA developed attic “blanket”, solar attic vent, and a product that will clean out the inside of the coils on a a/c and heating unit, making it last double the time the newer ones last. Unfortunately, the people didn’t show up the following nite to go over their product prices for my house, and pretty disappointed that they didn’t call the next day to tell me what happened.. Waste of 2 hours Wednesday evening waiting for them to show up… Did get a good ribeye meal out of the deal though.

    Once out and about today, I mailed something that someone had bought off ebay. Then went to the local produce stand and bought some small yellow squash, zucchini, 1 tomato and 1 watermelon. Going to fix up some more refrigerator pickles using the squash, zucchini and the rest of my onions. The watermelon I got last time from the guy was so good. Seedless and very sweet. Yummy!

    Stopped by Goodwill, after I went to the local meat and 3 for lunch, and found some more winter type clothes for my BIL and SIL. Also, found some glass jars that have the metal clamp, something that looks like it opens bottles, a tote, couple of baskets, a couple of nice towels, and a couple of rags. Everything was 1/2 price today.

    Then I went to the local Belk’s to buy me another pair of tennis shoes for work, and the only color they had was white. Not into white, so came home and found some on Amazon.

    On Amazon, I also bought some solar lights and some raw, unfiltered creamed honey. I want to make up some lemon honey to spread on biscuits and such.

    The organic elderberries I ordered came in today. I think I am going to order another 1 or 2 lbs since it seems to be hard to find for a few months once the season starts.

    Tara’s questions:

    What is the most stupid and avoidable injury you have ever sustained while prepping or just living in the country? I crawled thru a pipe fence one time, and didn’t duck my head far enough down when I went to go thru and almost knocked myself out… I saw stars for a few minutes there…

    If you could pick just one non-firearm weapon as a prep, what would it be and why? Pepper spray

    Have you ever made or used Amish black drawing salve? Experiences or recipes to share? No, but I have some on hand. Good to know about the ACV and brown paper bags to reduce the swelling.

    Prayers for the pack, for those unspoken requests, for The President and for America.

    Have a great week everyone.

      1. Thor1,

        Time Thor1… lack of it… Been working too much the last few weeks.

        Thor’s questions:

        #1 and #2 – They will follow the plan…

        #3 – Make darn sure I was ready to meet my maker.

        For your replies to your questions… You probably wouldn’t get to anything after you seeing how fast your vet would go… Lol…

  11. Heads up Florida, hurricane Humberto may be headed your way……its projected to be worse than Dorian and might slam the Bahamas again too……

      1. Bam Bam & Thor1,

        There is no Humberto!!!

        Actually there is a Hurricane Humberto. It was a Cat 1 back in 2007 and is a potential upcoming named storm after Dorian. We however must first deal with:
        Erin, Fernand, Gabrielle, and then Hstrong>umberto. So unless We were all asleep for a long time, this is just that 16 year old kid n the basement with his puppy, stirring up the group once again.

  12. Tara your mention of learning to throw knives made me think of as Ames and his famous tomahawk throw. Found it on you tube recently to show a friend. It makes me laugh just thinking about it. It was on Johnny Carson in the 70’s I think.
    Preps this week involved picking up items at the food Bank and getting the latest problem with the car fixed. Apparently a mouse liked the wiring and chewed up some wires. Then the 2 week old battery was declared dead. The wire fix was $30 and the battery was replaced for free.
    The realtor came by and appeared happy about the house and so will probably have paperwork for listing tomorrow. Before I sign I will go to the attorney to make sure all bases are covered.
    Next week should have several things showing a positive movement forward.

      1. Haven’t fully decided. Have thought of getting a trailer and traveling or buying a little piece of property and putting a trailer on it. My Dr appointment on Tuesday will tell a lot. I have arthritis in both knees and one shoulder. It is bone on bone in most of one knee and the other is only a couple of years behind. The orthopedic visit on Tuesday is to hear what the shoulder looks like. The end of July I had steroid shots in the knees which this time only lasted a couple of weeks. My days of working 60 hour weeks are definitely over. In fact 20 hours a week makes me very tired.
        A couple of my friends would like me to stay close so we will see.

  13. Hello Pack, and for Tara’s list first.. #4 I have done very little prepping this week..Monday morning about 2 am i awoke itching, poison ivy again, After i dosed it, 2 ibupropen pm’s and a zyrtec. and was better when i awoke…then that was followed within 12 hours by Tennessee (6 hr.)quickstep episode and extreme nausea, for 5 more days. When this ole girl does not eat it is bad!….just getting all the chores done that could be put off,.. or done at a reduced level during those 5 days…Normal chores. and rotation of supplies continues…
    #1No major injuries Thank God.
    #2 non firearms weapon flip. +good stash of steelies.

    #3Amish Drawing salve, never had that kind. but have used the ones that are available thru Vet supply. It worked really well to draw a deep pustulant infection from between DH’s toes when we were out of area and our medical team could not be accessed. By time a medical team could be used, imrovement was noted, and we continued with the treatment we were doing..I soaked foot in combination of hot epsom salts water and light bleach solution for about one hour.(look up Dankins solution- used similar to it).. refreshed with hot water 2x. to highest tolerance. opened lightly draining wound..( using cleanest technique.) washed with betadyne.. filled wound with drawing salve. sterile dressing applied, elevated limb…. I also used permanent marker to circle area of reddness of insult. . Did q8 hr soaks and salve applications by 16 hr area of redness had visibly and measurably reduced. cleaned all soaking pans with strong bleach water between soaks..(no oral antibiotics were used.- and no other herbals were used.- )

    Thors Q #1…Yes, #2 Yes #3. I’d.check the source on that one. Our agencies can not predict the weather, even tho I believe it is being manipulated.. Why would I believe anyone would allow that info out.? I would prepare with extra water and supplies like for a 2 week event- as if for a severe ice storm…or a tornado event and find a hidey hole for a severe storm…In middle of all the basic topping off and checking of lists..continue with normal activities and encouragement of others to follow God’s plan.

  14. I am exhausted. That’s one thing I didn’t account for in my preps–just how tired I would be after dealing with all the crap. Please note that “the crap” was a hurricane that never hit us. The “crap” was just dealing with the possibility of a Category 5 hurricane coming up the gut of Florida. All of the schools cancelled classes. So my schedule was really up-ended. In the end, Dorian side-swiped us–no real damage.

    I had an experience yesterday that totally shocked me. My dh and I went to our local bar to watch the game, as we have done so many times. I asked a man at another table if I could have one of his chairs. (He wasn’t using the chair). His response: “I am not giving up my chair for no nigger”. Then he beat his chest and asked “If I wanted a piece of this”. I was so shocked that I didn’t say anything. What the hell do you say to people like this? (I wasn’t worried for my own safety. The man seated to our right was a former Marine. The man to our left was a former Army Ranger. (Both Black) I was just in shock. Why would a grown man hate blacks and then try to pick a fight with a white woman? All of my friends at the bar said he was just trying to “rob our joy” and that he just wanted a reaction. I am disappointed that I didn’t have a good come back. But I have no idea what a good come back would be.

    1. Bam Bam,

      Unfortunately, the best comeback to a jerk like that is a baseball bat upside his head. Equally unfortunate, is while he will be in the hospital, you will be in jail.

      1. Zulu 3-6 & Bam Bam,
        Another way to deal with this, depending on the laws of your jurisdiction is to record the incident with a body cam, since they are now very inexpensive and small. You then post the video somewhere to get the guy attention, and let someone else deal with the baseball bat.
        Ohio is a single party state, allowing such activity as described here:
        ”Under Ohio law it is legal to record an oral or phone conversation with the consent of one party barring any criminal or tortious intent”
        This means I can wear my body camera and have it record everything I do and all of my interactions with others; but, should I leave the camera behind to record others without their knowledge and without my presence, it’s a crime.
        Your laws may vary; but, now days it’s not a bad device to have around.
        The ones I have record in a loop, overwriting the video when recording and can also be used for a Dashcam or survelance in your home when you are gone.

        1. Bam Bam ,

          Actually, I was thinking about a palm strike to the nose–much more effective than a round kick.

          Or maybe simultaneous palm strikes to the ears.
          The nose is fixable; but, perhaps that permanent tinnitus would give him pause the next time he thinks of being that rude.
          It is of course good that we may not (yet) be locked up for mere thoughts. LOL.

          1. TOP and Bam Bam,

            Well, Bam Bam might get away with this one. Get close to the guy, bump into him hard, then stumble back clutching your abdomen screaming, “My baby, my baby!” The hatred from the other patrons becomes palpable. My oldest sister did that at a shopping mall when a group of punks blocked her way. The hue and cry came out and chased the now terrified punks out of the mall. It did help that my sister was about 8-months PG.

          2. Ha, whiplash….. More like a broken wrist…..Didn’t your sensei ever teach you know your enemy before you attack? Never expect one move or strike will end a fight?

            Top, if we fought there would only be two hits, me hitting you and you hitting the floor…LOL

          3. Thor1,

            Ha, whiplash….. More like a broken wrist

            Only if you incorrectly use the technique. Personally I think a palm strike in this case would be far better and safer than a punch with a fist.

            Didn’t your sensei ever teach you know your enemy before you attack? Never expect one move or strike will end a fight?

            I generally don’t attack; but, will defend (counterattack) with any technique that works and will damage any body part I can damage, with some types of damage being permanent.
            While you cannot expect a single technique to end the fight, there are a few that definitely have that possibility.

            Top, if we fought there would only be two hits, me hitting you and you hitting the floor…LOL

            I cannot count how many times I’ve heard that one, most often from immature macho teenagers like you.
            We’re not likely to fight unless you come here and ambush me, since I’ll gladly run from a fight if need be.

          4. Thor1,

            I would think Bam might have better luck with a solar Plexus punch

            If you recall the bigot was seated and not about to get up and give up his chair, making the Solar Plexus a much harder target than the head, face, or ears.
            Details count.

        2. Bam, a palm strike is not always effective. An easy defense is just look down and the palm will strike the forehead. Then the person will be put in a sleeper hold. Nighty night.

          1. Thor1 to Bam Bam,

            a palm strike is not always effective. An easy defense is just look down and the palm will strike the forehead.

            Properly delivered with speed and surprise it could well hit the nose; but, even using your ducked head defense will still likely result in a whiplash injury to the target. An ignorant, belligerent guy facing a mere woman would not likely be expecting to get his face rearranged, and that gives Bam Bam the surprise factor.

            Then the person will be put in a sleeper hold. Nighty night.

            Which person? Try that on me and you’ll likely end up with some body part severely damaged. An eye, a piece of ear or nose, doesn’t really matter which part,

          2. I would still have to ask why?

            Yep, he was an ass. Do you know why? Do you know what happened 15 minutes before you got there? What would it solve?

            I don’t walk away from violence, but sometimes it’s like open carry of a 7 1/2″ single action – because I can – is a bad reason.

          3. JP,

            I would still have to ask why?
            Yep, he was an ass. Do you know why? Do you know what happened 15 minutes before you got there? What would it solve?

            I agree; but, keep in mind that this is all hypothetical and just the thing we might like to do when confronted by a bigoted moron.
            No matter how hard a life he has, some behaviors just have no excuse and while we may not act on our thoughts, many of us still have them, at least in the moment.

            I don’t walk away from violence, but sometimes it’s like open carry of a 7 1/2″ single action – because I can – is a bad reason.

            I agree. While concealed carry with a license and open carry without is legal here, personally I think open carry is a bad idea.
            Many who open carry are just being belligerent without regard to how it hurts the public perception and how much it actually hurts the gun owning community.
            Because I can is just another stupid, immature, macho phrase.

    2. Bam Bam, Ignorance and stupidity. Can’t fix stupid. Maybe ask a question, Does your Mom know you are @ home? OR Do we need to call a cab for you, it’s obvious you are at least Blind…( as opposed to blind and dumb.)

  15. JP and Top, I’m not sticking up for the guy. But, what if this guy was a boxer or a street fighter? People who practice fighting all the time. Just saying……
    I used to bounce before improving my mind. In that time I took 3 guns, 3 knives, a baseball bat and a nightstick off of people. People always think they have the upper hand when they carry a weapon which leads them into false security. So the guy might have been armed.

    Be careful Bam, a black belt doesn’t make you invincible, it only a piece of cloth.

    1. Thor1,

      JP and Top, I’m not sticking up for the guy. But, what if this guy was a boxer or a street fighter? People who practice fighting all the time.

      A real boxer is not likely to be out starting street fights, and street fighters or gangs are not likely to be in my areas of operation.
      I’ve mostly gone by the basic rule for staying out of trouble. ”Don’t go to stupid places, and do stupid things, with stupid people” and it has worked out for about 60 years. I have only been approached on the street once by someone with intent to harm or rob me with a knife, and it was his poor luck that I was on the way home from the dojo and carrying my NunChaKu. He was still in pain when the police came to pick him up. I was only 18 at the time and that’s really been my only real altercation outside of the dojo.

      People always think they have the upper hand when they carry a weapon which leads them into false security. So the guy might have been armed.

      Possibly; but, I generally carry several means of defense, even when not carrying an actual weapon, and my situational awareness and lack of ego means I’ll most often avoid a conflict unless forced into it.
      Call me a nasty name and you’ll more likely just be frustrated by my lack of response.

      Be careful Bam, a black belt doesn’t make you invincible, it only a piece of cloth.

      It may be only a piece of cloth; but, they don’t just hand them out since it takes a lot of work and practice to earn one.
      Martial arts training can easily transfer to a street fight, since the techniques when properly performed can be devastating; to an opponent; however, Jiyu kumite (Free style sparring) normally has rules and a referee who will stop the fight when it gets too violent, while street fights often end badly for one or the other participant and the best techniques and strategy is avoidance.

      1. Thor1, Bam Bam & all,
        I recalled my earliest training and thought those both familiar and unfamiliar with the philosophy might be interested in its precepts, set down by Master Gichin Funakoshi in the early 1920’s. He is the father of Shotokan and most Japanese and Okinawan styles with much influence on the Korean styles like Taekwondo in the 1950’s and Tang Soo Do in the 1960’s

        Gichin Funakoshi’s 20 Precepts of Karate-Do
        1. Karate begins with courtesy and ends with courtesy.
        2. There is no first attack in Karate.
        3. Karate is an aid to justice.
        4. First control yourself before attempting to control others.
        5. Spirit first, technique second.
        6. Always be ready to release your mind.
        7. Accidents arise from negligence.
        8. Do not think that Karate training is only in the d ojo.
        9. It will take your entire life to learn Karate; there is no limit.
        10. Put your everyday living into Karate and you will find “Myo” (subtle secrets).
        11. Karate is like boiling water. If you do not heat constantly, it will cool.
        12. Do not think that you have to win, think rather that you do not have to lose.
        13. Victory depends on your ability to distinguish vulnerable points from invulnerable ones.
        14. The battle is according to how you move guarded an d unguarded (move according to your opponent).
        15. Think of your hands and feet as swords.
        16. When you leave home, think that you have numerous opponents waiting for you. It is your behavior that invites trouble from them.
        17. Beginners must master low stance and posture, natural body positions are for the advanced.
        18. Practicing a kata is one thing, engaging in a real fight is another.
        19. Do not forget to correctly apply: strength and weakness of power, stretching and contraction of the body and slowness and speed of techniques.
        20. Always think and devise ways to live the precepts every day. “The ultimate aim of Karate lies not in victory nor defeat, but in the perfection of the character of its participants”
        You may find the pdf of this book @ http://www.karatedo.net/KDA%20Handbook.pdf

        Thor1’s mention of the belt being pnly a piece of cloth, more propertly related to #18.

        Enjoy

        1. TOP, Thor1, Bam Bam,

          I thought I’d drop my 2-cents in here seeing as I’ve been in a fight or two in my life.

          If I am certain the other guy is going to smack me one, I will hit him first. Even as a police officer I did that. The Supreme Court said I could. Depending on circumstances, my first strike was usually one of three. A forehand palm strike, or backhand strike, to the side of the neck to impinge on the brachial plexus nerve (this normally dropped them like a ton of bricks). Or, a palm heel strike to the nose (as has been discussed here), or a good old fashioned throat punch with a fist or knife hand. A throat punch was a potentially lethal strike, so that needs to be considered. I did once hit a guy with cupped hands on his ears and I did rupture both ear drums in the process. Tough luck for him. No, I’m not a nice guy in a street fight.

          When we got pepper spray, I tended to lead with that instead as my department preferred us to do so. We did not have Tasers when I was on the job (they do now). In fact, it was against Michigan law for anyone, including cops, to have Tasers, or other electrical stun devices, at the time.

          As an on-duty cop, I often had no choice in whether I was going to have to fight or not. The fight was on and I might as well hit first. Off-duty, or these days, I followed TOPs adage ”Don’t go to stupid places, and do stupid things, with stupid people.” However, sometimes stupid people can’t follow simple advice like that and they may regret doing stupid things with me. I can hit, kick, spray, stab, or shoot. I can pick one quite quickly. I also have no qualms using objects like chairs, bottles, tables, walls, doors, windows, etc. I did throw a guy through a plate glass window once. Luckily for him he didn’t get cut up too badly.

          Policing in or next door to Detroit was not a gentle occupation.

          In Bam-Bam’s case with the chest pounding racist, she chose the correct path under the circumstances. However, if he laid a hand on her, she would have been fully justified to hurt him badly. Like feed him the chair he was so proud of.

          1. Zulu 3-6 says:

            I thought I’d drop my 2-cents in here seeing as I’ve been in a fight or two in my life.

            Your experience and input is always welcome. I am not ashamed to say I have avoided and even run from a fight or two in my life. I started taking Shotokan @ age 14 and was taught those precepts and as precept #12 states: “Do not think that you have to win, think rather that you do not have to lose. “ As an early teen, sensei showed us that our worst enemy was ego and while it took a few lessons, they were taken to heart.

            If I am certain the other guy is going to smack me one, I will hit him first.

            I would probably do the same; but, so far, that has only happened once as I described earlier.
            It may in part be due to the places I’ve lived most of my life, in small towns and rural settings, with more than half of my life on this property, where they will someday (in the distant future) spread my ashes.

            Even as a police officer I did that. The Supreme Court said I could. Depending on circumstances, my first strike was usually one of three. A forehand palm strike, or backhand strike, to the side of the neck to impinge on the brachial plexus nerve (this normally dropped them like a ton of bricks). Or, a palm heel strike to the nose (as has been discussed here), or a good old fashioned throat punch with a fist or knife hand.

            I have practiced all of those and a few I will not describe, in controlled settings and think I would use them in a real fight; but, I still try to avoid fights when I can, and so far, so good.

            I did once hit a guy with cupped hands on his ears and I did rupture both ear drums in the process. Tough luck for him. No, I’m not a nice guy in a street fight.

            At my age, size, and weight I would have to do the same, since I cannot go multiple rounds and would have to end it quickly, one way or another.

            When we got pepper spray, I tended to lead with that instead as my department preferred us to do so.

            At the recommendation of Dave Grossman, I carry Sabre Red Pepper Gel along with other defensive tools, and have a spectrum of defenses I can deploy depending on the situation. Having taught firearms for nearly 30 years including a class that qualifies for the state CHL, I am very aware of the limits on defense and use of lethal force. Perhaps the most important thing in our classes is making the students aware of their responsibilities when carrying, since quite often the general public has horrible misconceptions of how and when they may defend themselves and in what situations.

            We did not have Tasers when I was on the job (they do now). In fact, it was against Michigan law for anyone, including cops, to have Tasers, or other electrical stun devices, at the time.

            Stun guns like knives sort of scare me, since they can be too easily turned on the user, and it’s even worse now that I have a pacemaker. I know someone years ago who had one, and zapped himself while reaching into his pocket for something else.

            As an on-duty cop, I often had no choice in whether I was going to have to fight or not. The fight was on and I might as well hit first.

            That is an understandable situation and one most of us are unlikely to encounter; however, in a SHTF situation, things going sideways could change things abruptly.

            Off-duty, or these days, I followed TOPs adage ”Don’t go to stupid places, and do stupid things, with stupid people.” However, sometimes stupid people can’t follow simple advice like that and they may regret doing stupid things with me.

            This is where living in a more remote situation is a definite advantage, although situational awareness is still paramount. One other thing is I generally roam the property openly armed unless it’s cold enough for a jacket, and most people stopping by don’t even seem to notice. That’s another advantage over urban living, especially now since things have changed drastically with gun ignorance and paranoia everywhere.
            I have a friend who grew up in Columbus and as a young teen would take his .22 rifle (empty) on the transit bus to the end of the line to hunt rabbits. At the end of the day he would get on the returning bus with the rifle and bag ‘o rabbits to return home. That innocent act today would no doubt involce SWAT.

            I can hit, kick, spray, stab, or shoot. I can pick one quite quickly. I also have no qualms using objects like chairs, bottles, tables, walls, doors, windows, etc.

            I’ve actually practice with a handful of silverware. Tossed in the face of an intruder may be a way to distract as you move close enough to react. One needs to think out of the box instead of just fold. Never tried this for real and hope I never have to.

            Policing in or next door to Detroit was not a gentle occupation.

            Unfortunately that’s true of most major cities today. In college I lived in an apartment complex that had originally been government housing for the DCSC (Defense Construction Supply Center), now part of DLA during WW II. It was mostly college students looking for cheap living, plus a few working stiff and a rather large Yugoslavian ghetto. You could tell the Yugos, since they were always carrying and kicking soccer balls back in the 70’s. before it was in vogue.
            That complex is now gone, razed due to crime that had given it the new name of Uzi Alley. The news now reports at least one or two shootings each week in a town that used to be pretty decent.

            In Bam-Bam’s case with the chest pounding racist, she chose the correct path under the circumstances. However, if he laid a hand on her, she would have been fully justified to hurt him badly. Like feed him the chair he was so proud of.

            I agree on both points; but, often leaving the situation is the better part of valor; but, may lead to stress. Stress definition: “The confusion created in the body when one’s mind overrides the body’s basic desire to choke the living daylights out of some jerk that desperately needs it.”
            I hope Bam Bam will be OK, LOL.

    1. Thor1 & Bam Bam,
      This time there really is a Hunberto; but, for now it looks to be just barely a tropical storm. Dorian is now pretty much gone; but, Erin, Fernand, and Gabrielle were named tropical storms when they hit winds speeds of at least 39 MPH. They all did; but, fizzled out, as some models expect Humberto to do.
      For more on this and other storms, take a look @
      NOAA UNITED States Department of Commerce National HurricanE Center & Central Pacific Hurricane Center
      https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

      1. TOP,

        I was just looking at the data and radar, and there is no TS Humberto quite yet. It’s still a tropical depression. However, it is roughly following the same track that Hurricane Dorian took.

        The NHC doesn’t expect it to make TS strength until early tomorrow (Saturday) morning. If it follows the track that is predicted right now, Bam-Bam may get some rain, as will I, but not a lot of wind. Daddio7 should be the same. The storm also has a faster forward speed than Dorian, so it should get in and out pretty quickly.

        1. Zulu 3-6,

          The NHC doesn’t expect it to make TS strength until early tomorrow (Saturday) morning. If it follows the track that is predicted right now, Bam-Bam may get some rain, as will I, but not a lot of wind.

          The weather analyst I watched, mentioned that until it forms into a real tropical storm with a definable center, they don’t know what it will do, since it takes that starting data (i.e., a real eye) to initialize the models.
          I’ve seen some of the modeling code which is basically multivariable calculus, and even with the computing power we now have available, prediction is often a crap shoot, since even a small change in starting parameters can make an enormous effect on the system,
          It’s basically Edward Lorenz’s chaotic ”Butterfly Effect” in action and a reason why I think your ”Weather guessers” label is unfair.

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