What I Did to Prep This Week

What I Did To Prep This Week – Week 71: November 17th 2019 – November 23rd 2019

rifle on a basket

Hello, Pack. We have had the usual Ohio weather this week, rain followed by winter weather, and then in what seemed like just a few hours later we actually got a taste of fall temperatures.

We have been doing mostly indoor preps this week, other than tending to the livestock. We worked on some inventory lists and built a few doors out of our dwindling barnwood.

On the days (or hours) we got that felt like the season we are still supposed to be in I took the grandkiddos out for some nut hunting and animal tracking forest school lessons – complete with a storybook on the same topics and of course a sweet little picnic.

One of our tribe members is in need of using our butcher shop on a more regular basis, so we had to do a bit of cleaning up and organizing in there since part of the space is used for storage.

While I am not excited about the extra traffic the usage will bring, I am thrilled to have so many more hides to stockpile in the coolers for tanning.

Our tribe members have been doing a good bit of deer hunting this week. We carefully regulate the hunting to ensure we do not overly tax our land. Right now there are ample deer, wild turkeys, and squirrels for hunting.

We also have a decent amount of pheasants and grouse that call our woods home. While wild boar are not as heavily populated in our woods as they are in the ones located just a few miles west, we have spotted their track and sign as well.

During a SHTF situation, I imagine the fox and coyote we have will make decent eating as well. The herds of deer that wander through and spend time here are constantly treated to cracked corn to keep them frequently our woods and pastures. It took a year or so but our large ground growing plots are now deer proof.

The one common wild critter we have never seen on our survival homestead is rabbits. It is just so odd that rabbits are not wandering about, as well. I actually saw far more wild rabbits when we lived in the nearby small town than we have in and around our secluded patch of heaven.

Our indoor garden is continuing to produce well, I might have more green onions that I can use – well, almost. My green tomatoes in a cardboard box with newspaper ripening experiment is working out amazingly well. Each day, the grandkiddos open the box to check for new red ones and are never disappointed.

Cold and flu season is upon us, but, thanks to our daily routine of taking elderberry supplements, it has largely left our tribe alone.

A local gun range offered a meeting with the Ohio militia group. I did not get to attend, but it seemed to go quite well and was highly prepper infused. The only thing I was startled and dismayed to hear from those who did attend were comments by a presenter about his group’s SHTF plan.

He and his group are from the Columbus area. Their plan, if you can call it that, it to bug out to state and national parks. I groaned when I heard this.

If I had the time and space today, I would unleash a huge rant about such a “bugout plan.” Instead, I am going to drop this link to my About That Bugging Out To The Forest Scenario… article I wrote for Survival Sullivan.
This Week’s Questions:

  1. What Is your Fall Prepping Routine?
  2. What are your cold and flu prevention and remedy plans post-SHTF?
  3. What are you thoughts on the whole bugging out to the forest or country scenario?
  4. What did you do to prep this week?

Tara Dodrill

About Tara Dodrill

Tara Dodrill is a homesteading and survival journalist and author. She lives on a small ranch with her family in Appalachia. She has been both a host and frequent guest on preparedness radio shows. In addition to the publication of her first book, 'Power Grid Down: How to Prepare, Survive, and Thrive after the Lights go Out', Dodrill also travels to offer prepping tips and hands-on training and survival camps and expos.
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153 thoughts on “What I Did To Prep This Week – Week 71: November 17th 2019 – November 23rd 2019

  1. Good morning,

    1- It just involves getting the furnace serviced and taking advantage of Veterans Day discounts. Sometimes fishing for migrating stripers too. I don’t hunt but that’s only because I don’t have time.

    2- Lotsa DayQuil. I use that crap at night too. It’s like an enema for your head.

    3- Refugees do stuff like that. Rule #1: Don’t be a refugee!!!. That said, it’s their land as taxpayers so it might be viable. I’d think a militia would want to defend its own territory with a guerilla campaign but whatever, as the millennials say.

    4- Sunday we put our dog, Ivan, down. The house feels empty. He was a good boy and very protective of our family. We got his ashes back yesterday.
    I didn’t want to leave my family unprotected during my Tennessee trip. I’ve made arrangements with a friend to visit him and his kennel. His family has lived in town for about 350 years so they’re reputable breeders of Rottweilers. He has a five month old female that he was going to keep. We’re going to see if Mrs. Overwatch bonds with her. Heading there shortly.

    No other prepping this week. With all the grief, I’m surprised that I didn’t smoke a cigarette but I made it.

    1. Overwatch:

      I was such a man about putting our 1st dog down, I sent the DW. 6 months later when the other was swollen and could not move from stomach cancer, I took her. We swore off dogs after that. Made it a whole 4 months. We are back to 2 dogs again, both rescues (like me).

    2. OW,

      It’s tough right now for sure, but good for you for not smoking..

      On the cold crap…. I take Alka-Seltzer Plus Maximum Cough and Cold liquid gels, (purple colored) and it really works. No generic though.

    3. OW,

      Sorry for the loss of your pup. Its never easy to do but you know when you have to. I’m sure Ivan would want you to get a new best friend……

    4. Hey OW,
      It’s never easy to put our beloved pets down, and while it is sometimes necessary, it’s also the last kindness we can offer to our furry family. Still hurts our hearts however.

    5. Thank you all for the kind words and encouragement. We got to the breeders at 11:00 and by 11:01 had fallen in love with Eva, a beautiful, inquisitive five month old Rottweiler. The breeder let us have her for short money. Mrs Overwatch is at Tractor Supply buying her food and stuff with #1 son. Eva is waiting by the door for them to return. Meanwhile, my nonverbal ten year old keeps looking at her saying “Pup,pup,pup” over and over and laughing. I’m floored.

    6. yeah i remember having to put my dog buddy down, was old when i got him and had him just 2 and a half years then his health went bad fast (maybe 14 years old, blue heeler) farm did have something missing when he was gone, took a year and a half of searching to find another of the right breed and temperment. i was bummed out putting buddy down, though i had to do it myself, no vets involved.

    7. Overwatch,
      I was once told that to have a pet that outlives you to get a turtle, although horses live a long time.
      Over the years we’ve lost 3 dogs, and quite a few cats, one of which was a real family member. Earlier this year we lost a goat, missed by my DW; but, perhaps missed more by our little horse Liberty.
      Unfortunately these are part of life and all we can do is help them go in peace and never forget the good times we had with them.
      Always remember that bringing another animal into the family, especially a rescue, can bring joy into both lives.

  2. not late to te party tis week, got booted from te wifi hotspot so got dial up quality nternet for $45 a month on a prepaid phone, it sucks but its all i have available

    Taras questions

    1 nothing special though it is when i tend to have money so i guess shopping sprees, like last fall i bought a rifle, $1000 worth of traps, some tractor implements, etc and this year i bought another rifle, then 4000 rounds of ammo, a bunch of construction materials, and improved all my buildings. usually fall is when firewood sales and pumpkns etc are happening so thats why i got cash to spend. also lots of canning and harvesting.

    2 same as now, i don’t go out in public often and when i do i wear gloves at all times and often have a cheap facemask on, sure its a social fauxpas and people tink i am some weirdo but its been years since i had a cold.

    for the most part its a fantasy, urban and suburban types will talk but they won’t relocate unless they own a place or have relatives to crash with, its too alien or them. even then very few people could live off the land, too much of a yuk factor, i eat raccoons and woodchucks and roadkill etc and i am looked down on for eating things even country people think is vile, most people would rather starve than eat a fat muskrat and few even know how to catch one. i would say there are only a few thousand who could actually do it in america and even then they would have to avoid people to do it there are few places that re really isolated left and unless they have a place like an uncles farm to go to they would likely get shot for tresspassing. sure some may go to the country but its like the old depression era times like the movie secondhand lions where a single mother dumps her son off at her crazy uncles place since they could house and feed the kid when she could not. of course thats not being a freeloader people like that would be expected to help out and its not for anyone in general that kind of thing is family and friends only. really its all a fantasy scenario, i could do it because i am already there and if i hd to relocate know i can make it on the land, it won’t be fun but i understand the true scope of what that entails and even then i think i would only have a 50-50 shot at making it longer than a year.

    4 bad weather for the most part, 5F, mix of ice rain when its warmer, snow when its not. high wind. i did get a day in where i split some wood and another half day of sawing. got booted from the only wifi hotspot in 15 miles because they complained i was there too often (i would buy at least $30 eah day, carring heavy loads home, so wasn’ a freeloader) not happy with them and won’t buy feed from them anymore, actually found it much cheaper at another place farther away, so i guess i also got 600lbs of feed for the chickens, enough to last till may. calling for the next 4 days to be warmer and sunny so expect to get stuff done. down to just $20 so i am not doing anything moneywise till i sell a shed or something. ny state ordered ticket quotas increased becasue the state needs the revinue so 2 people i know got ticketed for having a dirty liscence plate, no way to contest in court since they will just say they cleaned it after the ticket was issued, one of the cops told them directl it was because the state increased their quotas, in the north with road sand and snow tat means lots of bs tickets gonna be issued, i been pulled over a few times just for walking on the side of the road, never ticketed or arrested just harrassed when they were lookign for some justification to issue a ticket, i walk because ny bs is not worth the hastle, been a year as of the 21st since i drove anything other than my tractor or my bike. i also heard someone 4 miles away got ticketed by the dec for baiting deer because he had apple trees (dec officer went on the guys property and confiscated his tree stand that was by the apple trees, guys fighting it in court now)

    nemo seto’s questions

    have you considered or contemplated the idea of living without motorized transport? to avoid shakedowns in excessive police times or if gas was unavailable?

    which is worse, without rule of law, or a corrupt police state? why?

    are you picky about food or will you eat whats available? if you garden do you put a lot of effort into growing what you want or do you put minimal effort into growng what does the best in your climate and soil? i am reminded of a video on youtubeby sustinence n covering where he got a bunch of raised bed garden stuff from soemone who couldn’t grow anything since they wanted cuccumbers and tomatos and lettuce in a dry texas climate and the host of the show did well with okra and other things adaped to that climate, reminds me also of my family who hated quash and thought of it as unfit to eat and they looked down on me for trying it when i got free ones after moving out, liked them and added squash to my diet and they grow really well here especially in places too rough to plant anything else in (around tree stumps and rocks). i got very prolific gardens when i grow because i grow what does well and adapt my diet to what i can get, i like broccoli but have never successflly grown it here so i rarelly eat it. this is a follow up to taras question about bugging out since most people have food predjudices that would limit their ability to live off the land or relocate.

    1. nemosoto’s questions:

      I suppose a corrupt police state would be worse than a WROL situation. A corrupt police state would still have an organized law enforcement system in place. Kill a cop, the rest descend upon you using all of the resources available to a governmental police force.

      WROL, you kill some idiot trying to force his will on you, his friends might go looking for you, but it won’t be an organized, legally sanctioned manhunt with all of the resources that a government could bring. In fact, whatever friends he might have had, might look on Bubba’s killing as his own fault since he was a jerk anyway.

    2. nemo seto’s questions
      1. have you considered or contemplated the idea of living without motorized transport? to avoid shakedowns in excessive police times or if gas was unavailable?
      We have; but, don’t really worry about police, since in our county they are a small enough contingent to only be concerned with real crimes. We have a pony cart and harness and have used it, along with riding horses, as well as bicycles; but, motorized transport of some sort will be used until it is no longer viable.
      2. which is worse, without rule of law, or a corrupt police state? why?
      A truly corrupt police state would I think be worse, since a WROL situation could be more easily handled if you have an organized defense group with their own logistics and communications.
      3. are you picky about food or will you eat whats available
      I don’t like anchovies on my pizza; but, will pretty much eat anything and like most things. I have eaten muskrat, crawdads (crawfish) garden snails and some things I won’t mention here, since most would find them disgusting. For pigs and cows, I eat everything from the liver & heart to the snout and feet. Have you ever heard of head cheese? In the garden we grown anything that will grow and eat just about anything except hot peppers, since neither of us like them.

    3. That’s crazy…you story about police consficating that dudes tree stand! On my property which is posted, I once came across a newly constructed tree stand, so I brought out the tractor and with help of a logging chain, drug the stand to the house and chained it to a big oak tree. A week later, this dude shows up (mad as you know what). He informed me that was his stand. I pointed to one of many posted signs and said, ‘That’s my property, so that trumps your tree stand’. I let friends and family hunt my land with only requirement being they leave a note on my door so I don’t let dogs out, or go out walking myself!

      1. wasn’t actually the cops is was a dec (department of environmental conservation) officer, basically game warden cops who also do alot of other stuff. but not technically cops, they ignore private property all the time. same dec officer was sitting around the feed store recording the license plates of anyone who bought feed, they she confiscated deer stands and game cams from properties by running plates, going to the persons property and searching around when they were not home, a few times finding that the person was baiting der by dumping corn by the tree stand, confiscating everything in sight and leaving a note with their card on the persons door that they took everything because the guy was baiting deer. no probable cause other than that the guy bought feed from a feedlot, went on the property with no warrant and confiscated stuff. the most recent thing was she confiscated stuff (not homemade deer stands, i’m talking the fold up metal ones you get at bigger sporting goods stores) was when she confiscated stuff for someone baiting deer by having apple trees. i got deer all over my place cause i got lots of apple trees, so the way the local dec interprit the law recently having them on my lot could be conssidered baiting.

        and i have thrown a few people off my property myself. i put a lot of time into my lot so its like a park and i can see almost every part of it from my porch now. i been investigated a few times by dec and the police but have rarelly got a ticket, pays to keep ahead of the new laws and know the gray areas.

        1. Nemoseto,

          same dec officer was sitting around the feed store recording the license plates of anyone who bought feed, they she confiscated deer stands and game cams from properties by running plates, going to the persons property and searching around when they were not home, a few times finding that the person was baiting der by dumping corn by the tree stand,

          That’s interesting; but, not surprising for NY and a few other commie dictatorial jurisdictions.
          Hunting over bait here has some restrictions; but, they are quite reasonable.

          ”A deer hunter MAY Hunt deer over bait, except on public land and in the Disease Surveillance Area. The placement of or use of bait (salt, minerals, or any food) to attract or feed deer within the DSA boundaries is prohibited, as is the hunting of deer by the aid of bait means any area where shelled or unshelled, shucked, or unshucked corn, wheat or other grain, salt, or other feed whatsoever capable of luring, attracting, or enticing game animals or birds is directly or indirectly placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, or scattered.

          This means I can setup a blind or stand and use corn or a salt block as a lure on my own property or that of neighbors, with written permission.

    4. nemo seto’s questions
      1. have you considered or contemplated the idea of living without motorized transport? to avoid shakedowns in excessive police times or if gas was unavailable?

      Yes I have multiple bicycles and solar power in case they use power as a weapon like in California.

      2. which is worse, without rule of law, or a corrupt police state? why?

      Hitler need I say more.

      3 are you picky about food or will you eat whats available?

      When you are hungry, anything is good.
      My Uncle was a POW in WW2 in Germany, he ate and loved dandelion soup uñtil he came back.

      4. if you garden do you put a lot of effort into growing what you want or do you put minimal effort into growng what does the best in your climate and soil?

      Both I suppose, I’m blessed that what I like grows well.
      Some stuff does require more work like lemon trees in colder climates. But worth it.

      1. that does seem to be the consensus here that wrol is better than excessive corrupt law, though i imagine the leftists would be the opposite and feel safer with excessive law than having to do tings for themselves.

        1. Nemoseto,

          that does seem to be the consensus here that wrol is better than excessive corrupt law, though i imagine the leftists would be the opposite and feel safer with excessive law than having to do tings for themselves.

          Let’s be really clear here. The leftists would be comfortable with EROL only if they were in charge.

  3. This Week’s Questions:

    1. What Is your Fall Prepping Routine? ATV and travel trailer get winterized. Screens closed and storm windows up. Outside water lines shut off.

    2. What are your cold and flu prevention and remedy plans post-SHTF? Elderberry tincture and Echinacea pills.

    3. What are you thoughts on the whole bugging out to the forest or country scenario? I’m too old, it’s too cold to be a long term solution for us.

    4. What did you do to prep this week? Well, ….

    Gun Show Weekend: p/u ammo & a revolver; sold a pistol and some accessories; brought home a little cash.

    Pretty much stayed home and sorted/cleaned/organized preps and general house cleaning. Nothing very exciting, but essential.

    Supply Run: 5-gal bucket lids; creamy wheat cereal;

    Received: Book: Divine Numbers and the Coming World War; Potato Flakes, #10 cans, LDS; Carrots, #10 can, LDS; ZipStich Laceration Kit; AA to C cell battery converters; small manual coffee grinder; Book: Primitive Technology; 3.5-gal buckets;

    1. JP,

      I was thinking about getting the Divine Numbers and Coming World War. I need to put them on my list.

      Primitive Technology sounds interesting.

      1. AT:

        I’m back to looking at my library. The Primitive Technology I got is a hard back, with LOTS of pictures. Still going through it though. The other is focused on events directly effecting the US; I just got started on it.

        1. JP,

          Looks like there are 2 versions of Primitive Technology. Is it by John Plant? One has a green hardcover and the other one is blue with both having the same ISBN.

        2. JP,

          I’m back to looking at my library. The Primitive Technology I got is a hard back, with LOTS of pictures. Still going through it though.

          Googling “Primitive Technology” yields about 201,000,000 results and list a YouTube channel as one of them.
          Can you post the author, publisher or other identifying items to help us find this thing?

          1. i have a copy of one by wescott, its actually named pprimative technology, a book of earth skills, its a fairly scientific look at stone age technology, flint knapping, basketry, etc. thats the only one i know of an its been out for a long tim, as in i read it first way back when i was 15 and i am almost 40 now

            not sure if thats the one refered to but its a fairly good one

  4. just read the linked article, lots of good points. i used to stealth camp and did ultralight hiking.ultralight hiking is like backpacking but with a lot of logistic planning (planning routes that pass through small towns with groceries or such for resupply) and weight reductions, packers often carry propane or alcohaul stoves etc but thats weight in the pack, ultralight hickers might carry a coffee can hobo stove for twigs weighing a fraction of what other stoves do, they also often skip tents and sleeping bags, keeping everything to a minimum to save on pack weight. i recall the story of a woman called grandma gatewood who did the appilachian trail with no tent or rain gear, she just used a shower curtain in the 8 months on the trail. minimal packs like that are lighter and a person can crack out a lot more miles a day and are not as tired doing so, in my experence you can cover the same ground in 2/3 the time as an ultralight hiker as opposed to carrying a regular pack. being a woodsman myself when i did it i favored foraging along the way to supliment what i carried.

    i used to stealth camp as well combined with ultralight hiking, stealth camping means nobody knows your there. when i did it i only carried an army poncho as my shelter which was also great cammo, i would sleep sitting up with a horsecollar pillow made from whatever was on site if i did lay down i used my boot as a pillow, only ever used a wool blanet if i carried anything at all. cooked in a hobo stove which i carried a triangia as backup, all my stuff kept to under 20lbs in my pack. would overnight anywhere and nobody ever knew i was there.

    i imagine bugging out to the woods would go about the same realistically, avoid people at all costs, camp hidden, so no tents or comfortable sites, no fires unless they can be hidden, and keep on the move and conceal tracks when possible by taking back roads, trails, railroads, etc and stepping on rocks when possible, stay light and fast, no time to linger to hunt, hunting is opportunistic (bow or crossbow or pellet gun would be best, remember the idea is stealth, when setting in for the night traps can be set nearby for the morning, but otherwise stuffs just picked as you go. and keep going till you find someplace really isolated and make a longer term stealth camp (especially needed for winter), drop cashes whenever you plan to loop back to another area, hide if you see any other people.

    i have read accounts of japansese soldiers that continued the war till the 70s living like this in various places. and i am remnded of the franklin expidition where everyone died and from sar efforts they found that when they abandoned the ships they tried to use sleds to move boats loaded with books and china (dishes) and all manner of dead weight that slowed them down and tapped their energy heavily contributing to their deaths, had they tossed most of that junk they could have realisticly gone light and fast and been out or come accross game more often along the way. most of the bug out to the woods crowd think in terms of car camping and hauling a lot of stuff with them. living off the land won’t be glamorous, they will fail quickly.

    1. just did some saw work then realized my saws oiler isn’t working, first time i cleaned it all thinking it was just clogged, second tells me i need to replace the oiler, had to do it on another saw before, taking lunch then sitching to another saw.

      had more thoughts on this bug out to the woods mentality, i see those types being like the group on walking dead, season 1 the survivor group just camped in a quary, no security of any kind except sometimes someone standing on top of an rv as a lookout, campfires every night, with everyone sitting around, in the day women cook and hand wash laundry and the men sit around “supervising” or a couple wander off to scavange. they got overrun by slow moving zombies just walking into camp one night and killing half of them. second season they went far from cities and camped on a farm, sitting around most of the time with interpersonal drama and bikering, not activly doing anyting to improve their situation and when they run low on food they just go looting and scavanging for what they need, sending out 1 or 2 people to do it while the rest sit around at camp, then get overrun, eventualy solving their problems in later seasons by finding solid walls to camp behind but otherwise doing very little different.

      i see those groups bugging out to the woods doing the same stuff, figuring they can just roll up with their rvs and stuff to some isolated spot and set up camp, everyone sitting around the camp all day while one or 2 hunt and have game as if nobody else is hunting. or doing stuff like the bundy family, ocupy some government buildings, and squat in it. women doing all the cooking and cleaning while the men sit around the campfire drinking beer and only doing work if they actually have to, figuring their numbers would protect them and ignore the locals.

      anyone wanting to raid such a group just has to watch from a distance and pick them off like a sniper or set fire to a vehicle or something to cause panic then attack in the chaos. maybe park their own car nearby with a flat and leave some supplies in the back, looking like they abandoned it, but the supplies would be poisoned. to protect a group from that kind of thing they would need to stay in the same spot a long time and basically build a fortress wich is not living off the land.

      such a group would also be more inclined to but heads with other bug out groups and the locals, the deer and other popular game would be quickly wiped out, much of the food wasted since nobody wants to eat hearts and headcheese. then if they run out of tp or can’t take daily showers or teir pillows are sweaty everyone starts to complain and take risks, or they get bored with te rations they brought and start stealing or raiding then they get into armed conflict with locals who will be pissed off and rally a militia to go force them out or wipe them out.

      after thinking about what tara said about a group plan to bug out to the woods thhis is kinda what i imagined, a bunch of weekend warriors who like buying and showing off stuff, shooting at the range and maybe doing some car camping and greatly misunderstanding the realities of what they are thinking of. that would really only work in a zombie uprising or global pandemic where 95% of the rest of the population is dead but somehow they were unaffected.

      1. ok i am on a rant now, this all reminds me of other bug out to the country types who only have the plan to come crash at my place since i have a lot of food and firewood and solar. when i was on the tribes hazmat team we did discontinuity planning when h1n1 was in the news. the tribes had been heavily impacted by disease before so they did a lot of planning, the discontinuity plan was basically to shut everything down, ban travel to and from the rez and wait everything out, making guides for trash disposal and what services hadto sttay active and what could be shut down, and making guides for tribe members to follow to stockpile food and supplies to deal with such event.

        i had more of a prepper mindset than any of the rest of the team and i knew the forestry program would b shut down, so my own plan was to simply stay at home and wait out a quarenteen. then the rest of the team started peppering me with what if questions based on their own experiences and when i had well rounded and sound plans for anything tey could come up with several people on the team decided they would just crash at my place, which unfortunatly i could not sustain very long if they did.

        i am far moe resiliant now with a much bigger and well developed farm and all kinds of plans to deal with just about any problem, mostly concocted while i walked or biked into town and had long hours to think and run scenarios in my head. right now i could last 2 + years on the dried or canned food i have assuming i don’t do any hunting, foraging, sugaring, trapping, gardening, etc, thats assuming for 1 person rationing activity to have a low calorie consumption. if a second person would join me then that estimate would be closer to a little over a year. if 3 people joined me then that supply would last 6 months, a group of 8 would go through it all in 3 months. so while taking in 7 people wouldn’t seem like much it would mean the food stock i have would be used up very fast and i wouldn’t take anyone in unless they were worth it and could carry their own weight, i might take on 1 freeloader but i would be very very selective and she would have to be willing to take my last name, but my overweight laz coworkers thinking they would just crash on the couch would be booted out very fast as none would have anything to bring to the farm. even useful people would be limited, would probably build bunk houses or some secondary housing for them and expect them to work for their place here.

        1. nemoseto,
          We have enough food on hand to feed 4 or more adults for several years, and the people who are invited here know who they are and all bring skills and resources that will increase our odds of surviving.
          This is a 3000+ ft2 12 room (4 bedrooms) house that could easily house 10 or more people, although some would be sleeping on the couch, chairs, cots, or sleeping bags on the floor. This is our plan, and although in years past I’ve heard the ”I have guns and I’m just going to your house”. I haven’t heard that in quite a while from anyone, especially when I inform the few that have that attitude about the folly and fatal danger of their plan and thought process.
          I don’t claim to understand your relationship with the reservation and its officials; but, nipping those kinds of uninvited guests in the bud is IMHO at least your first best reaction.

          1. its been a while since i worked there, had almost no interactions with anyone official above the director or assistant director of the division of the tribal government that i worked under. as forester i was at the environment division and that division had its own facility away from the rest of the tribal employees and offices. air quality and water quality monitoring, sanitation, fish and game, the alcoa superfund cleanup, hazmat, etc were all under the same division, before i worked there they used to be at the same large faclity that all the others opperated at, but environment also does fish sampling for mercury and other toxins, and one summer some interns forgot to put the samples into a refrigerator on a friday afternoon, come monday morning the entire office building stank of rotting fish so bad that nobody could go inside for a week, after that the environment division was expelled to its own building a mile away.

            as per the discontinuity plan the higher ups were doing the planning and each division had to make its own subplan, employees had to go to all kinds of training seminars the tribe hosted about past catastrophies other tribes went through like the spanish flu. the meetings i was in for the discon plan was just in the division conference room, and the whole ‘lets crash at his place” idea was just from the air program and water program technicians and one of the superfund staffers.

      2. Nemoseto,

        second season they went far from cities and camped on a farm, sitting around most of the time with interpersonal drama and bikering, not activly doing anyting to improve their situation and when they run low on food they just go looting and scavanging for what they need, sending out 1 or 2 people to do it while the rest sit around at camp

        This is where I gave up and stopped watching. It started out with people doing relatively smart things to survive; but, then turned mostly to drama and very quickly lost my attention.

        everyone sitting around the camp all day while one or 2 hunt and have game as if nobody else is hunting.

        Hunting is not shopping; but, these shows make it look easy and perhaps that’s why the group Tara mentioned thought back wood bug outs were like weekend camping.

        1. yeah thats kinda what i thought of when she mentioned them and groaned about it.

          when i worked for the tribe there were almost no deer seen on the rez, everyone complained tat there were no deer to hunt and decidedthat the reason was lack of habitat to support them, so with a buttload of federal money they hired a technician (who shared an office with me and our work often overlapped as i was the forester) to study the deer population and habitat and hunting activity on the rez.

          after a 3 year study it was determined that the rez had better habitat than most other places in the state, that there were an average of 7 deer on the hundreds of square miles the tribe had, that most deer taken were just very young ones wandering in from outside areas most often shot between the eyes (jacking) and taken year round with no limits. the technicina determined the problem was that everyone was shotting deer on sight year round as was a native right to do so on tribal territory, his solution was to place some kind of restrictions on hunting to allow seasonal buildup. everyone wanted him to do something like have the state live trap and release deer on the rez, wen he said that wouldn’t make a difference or wasn’t even possibe (they would just shoot the deer as soon as they were released) he was laid off.

          point of that is if there was a situation where people had to bug out like that every deer, turkey, bear, moose, etc would be wiped out in less than a few days, and unlike the rez there is no outside area for new ones to wander in from.

          my neighbor just got a spike horn at my place yesterday, and i saw 3 more deer ust this morning, in fact looking out the window i see 2 in the orchard right now (does, i only have buck tags). he stopped in returning my generator and saw the buck in the orchard, ran home and got his rifle when i said he could take it, came back and shot it less than 50 yards away. deer are everywhere here and hunting is so incrediby easy, but if there were no restrictions of any kind they would be gone and take years to rebuild their population if hunting suddenly let up.

          a far as walking dead goes they only ever took 2 deer on the show, in season 1 one guy was tracking it for 2 days before he got it then a zombie ate into it so it was all wasted, second season someone shot one deer, as far as i know no deer were ever seen on the show again.

          as far as the drama and bickering go i see that as being realistic to how such a situation would be, same petty bs between people in good times would contnue in bad times and the same lazy do as little as possible attitude on the show was a reflection of how people do things now, and yeah your not missing much in later seasons, they just repeat the same mistakes but just make them bigger

          1. Grammyprepper,

            LOL, TOP, yes yellow is dewalt, ryobi is green (neon green)!

            Having never owned a DeWalt the Ryobi’s look yellow to me; but, now that you mention it, I guess they do have a greenish tint.

            Gee, can ya tell I’m married to a construction worker? LOL!

            I sure can and I recall him staring longingly at my bank of Ryobi batteries plugged in & charging when you were last here. LOL

        2. Talk of the Walking Dead lead me to think about some people I ran into on the web years back who didn’t mind sharing their plans.

          Back around 1999 and getting ready to ramp up to Y2K, I was in communication with a group of what I believed to be like minded people. Over a period of time I found out a lot about their plans and it was a group of close to 30 people who had scouted out a natural cave way back in the woods and that was going to be their bug out location. They were sure they were the only ones to know about it.

          Given their talk about how long to get there, the nature of the landscape and the proximity of natural streams to the place I was able to locate it on the map. Then found, by carefully reading other post from other groups that there was at least one other, and perhaps two other groups that had scouted and were planning on using the same location. At that point I backed away from all the groups since it wasn’t going to be pretty and I was probably bad by not giving the first group a heads up but some things are not my business and I could have been wrong.

          Anyway, with the first group they sought information on comms and I told them what I could but they had no Hams in the group and thought they could just buy gear and get on the air but yet remain out of sight of everyone else. They also planned to trap and hunt with only a couple of hunters in the group and very little knowledge of how to prepare, save and serve natural game and how long they can survive off cases of MREs.

          I lost touch with all of them. I suspect that the groups who are going to try to pull out of major cities and head for the hills and who believe they can take over other folks bug out locations and can hunt and fish and feed everyone in the group are going to be in for a big surprise, and probably not a pleasant one.

          We are going to continue to plan to stay at home. The home place, while not huge, is defensible and I have more than enough food and water stored up for at least 6 more people or 8 if we are careful so that includes all the close family. I have sufficient weapons to arm all of them and enough ammo for a long siege. The place where I’m going to run short is TP. As I age my need for mass quantities seems to increase monthly. Oh well, when the stuff hits the fan we will do the best we can.

          Now, around the homeplace it is raining up a storm. All the leaves are being knocked off the trees and there is a heck of a mess to clean up once the rain stops. I have found that my battery operated blower (and chainsaw and weedeater and shurb trimmer) are all suffering. The shop where they are stored isn’t insulated very well and with all the very cold weather we have been having the batteries are not charging well or holding a charge very well. I believe I’ll be going out to get a backpack gas blower once the storm is over. I’ll probably replace all the battery powered stuff with gas before the end of year and will stock up on the store bought pre-mixed cans of gasoline as they don’t have ethanol, are not that expensive and come pre-mixed with the right mixture of gas and oil.

          We are off to work on pricing more stuff for the big church yard sale in April of next year. We get a lot of donations and there is some interesting stuff that is donated and what I like, I buy for more than we price it in the sale. Got a nice Meade telescope last week with computer assisted motor drive. Donor said it didn’t work so gave it too us and it’s about a 250 or 300 dollar telescope. Worked on it and it didnt’ work because it didn’t come with the USB cord to hook it up to a computer to download the software. Someone in the group priced it at $10, I bought it for $25 and will plan on using it as a spotting scope when I’m not taking pictures of the night sky.

          That’s all for now. DW is off getting her hair cut and when she comes back we will run by Sams Club for more TP and other stuff we just have to have. Can’t wait for Amazon to have their big cyber Monday sale to finish up Christmas shopping (they have really good deals on Auguson and other food stores and everything else you can think of).

          Keep praying for our country and hope that we come out of this current political emergency on the good side. Keep smiling and never let the rest of the world know what you are up to.

          1. Yep, we are down to 40 rolls of TP. DW said we are heading to SAMS, this is an emergency resupply.

          2. lol, i have actually gone months without tp before, had an outhouse though so i just used old newspapers for several months. old newspapers were free, but the only store i could get to for tp wanted $5 a roll for the cheap scotts brand. was 20 miles to either of the bigger towns where i could get it but i only had a bike or boots at the time, car pooled to work and was not the type to ask for a ride to buy mundane stuff. trick was to roll a scrap of newspaper into a ball, unroll it then roll it up a few more times to make it plyable. phone books were better than newspapers, and wen i ran out of both i started saving recepts and using them or any other scrap of paper, not the best of times.

          3. Heavy rains have moved out of my neck of the woods. I spent yesterday burning tree limbs. I put the wheel barrel and lawn mower away before the rains. The leaves have almost all fallen and have been bagged. However, my neighbor’s leaves (which blow into my yard) continue to give me a reason to continue with this effort.
            I love the tp comment. One can never have too much!

          4. Cliff,

            Yep, we are down to 40 rolls of TP. DW said we are heading to SAMS, this is an emergency resupply.

            Some may laugh at this; but, I understand and it’s the reason we try to keep around 200 on hand. We normally purchase the 20 roll packages; but, the DW can occasionally find the 24 roll pack for the same price, at which point she will buy several. While we could all get along without if we had to, there are some things that are just too important for modern life to run out of.

          5. TOP,,,,at one time I was a part owner of a food store in Alaska , we shipped in a container of TP at a time ,to save charges we would unload with the truck waiting ,it was all hands on deck type of thing ,all flat stacked,no pallets ,yes 80,000

          6. I would like very much to have 8000 rolls of TP on hand. At the rate we go through it I wouldn’t have to resupply during my life time. On the other hand 8000 rolls would wear out my septic tank. When the balloon goes up and the water shuts down I’m not sure what we will do with that waste. We will be in better shape for a while than the folks who have sewers and have to have water to make it work. I can always dig up the top and dump stuff in. The bacteria will continue to work to decrease the solids but without a lot of water going in it might not be that effective. Just another thing to worry about.

          7. On the battery operated tools…. I’ve been using the yellow brand for over 18 years and I keep the batteries separate from the tools in a warm location. Tools hang out in the shed to save indoor space. The batteries are one of the things I’m counting on my solar panels to keep charged. My first 18v batteries lasted 14 & 15 years before they completely died and then the yellow brand came out with an adapter so that the 20v batteries would work with my 18v tools. Do NOT leave the batteries in the charger more than 24 hours. LiIon batteries have a limit as to how many charges they will take

          8. Cliff,

            On the other hand 8000 rolls would wear out my septic tank. When the balloon goes up and the water shuts down I’m not sure what we will do with that waste. We will be in better shape for a while than the folks who have sewers and have to have water to make it work.

            In the last 35 years we’ve probably put ½ to 2/3 that amount of TP through the system and have only had the tank pumped once. The tank had a problem because we were using Quilted Northern and other similar TP; but, since we switched to single ply Scott, we’ve not had any problems in the last15+ years. We can always flush by the bucket using water from the creek, rain catchment, o r local farm ponds.

          9. Paladin,

            On the battery operated tools…. I’ve been using the yellow brand for over 18 years and I keep the batteries separate from the tools in a warm location. Tools hang out in the shed to save indoor space. The batteries are one of the things I’m counting on my solar panels to keep charged.

            By ” yellow brand” do you mean DeWalt or Ryobi?
            My sister gifted me some Ryobi ONE+ 18V tolls a while back and I’ve collected quite a few more of them. On occasion you can pay only a bit more to get the combo kit that includes additional batteries, so I have quite a few batteries (both normal and high capacity) and tools.

            Do NOT leave the batteries in the charger more than 24 hours. LiIon batteries have a limit as to how many charges they will take

            Ryobi chargers are all smart chargers that will not overcharge their Li-ion batteries; but, in any case, use the battery until it gets rather discharged (run down) before charging.

          10. LOL, TOP, yes yellow is dewalt, ryobi is green (neon green)! The ‘reds’ are more ‘prolific’, milwaukee, craftsman, there’s another one I can’t think of off the top of my head…Gee, can ya tell I’m married to a construction worker? LOL!

          11. DeWalt. Most chargers now are smart enough to not overcharge but that is not the problem I’m talking about. If you leave the batteries in the charger and they drain down a little bit and then get recharged that can count as one of the recharge cycles for the battery. I worked tech support for a large school system and laptop computers left plugged in on the desktop almost always had their batteries die before laptops that were on the go and only recharged when needed.

          12. Paladin,

            If you leave the batteries in the charger and they drain down a little bit and then get recharged that can count as one of the recharge cycles for the battery.

            It can; but, what causes it to drain down? In any case, the typical Lithium Ion battery can sustain between 300-500 full discharge / charge cycles until depleted and single batteries for tool are relatively easy to manage, with a bacnk of smart chargers.

            I worked tech support for a large school system and laptop computers left plugged in on the desktop almost always had their batteries die before laptops that were on the go and only recharged when needed.

            Laptop computers have notoriously weak battery charging & management circuits, and especially in a school, are no doubt badly abused.
            In any case, having grown up with communications equipment using NiCad (Nickel Cadmium) with their memory problems and poor power density, Li-ion batteries are still a dream that many young people don’t really appreciate.

  5. I did my low-carb grocery shopping this week. Added a little to my stash as usual. Did some weekly cooking.

    Didn’t do much at all this week in the prepping department. I’ve been sick with a bug and pretty much out of it. Had low-grade fevers a couple of times. I did take elderberry syrup regularly and it did help to moderate the coughing. It did the same when granddaughter was sick last week. I haven’t been sick like this in years. I had to skip watching my granddaughter on Monday. On Wednesday afternoon I watched her, but it about knocked me out even though she was well behaved and not demanding at all. She understands I was sick as she was just a week ago.

    I was scheduled to watch granddaughter all day on Thursday and Friday, but #1 daughter used my illness as an excuse to cancel orders she had with her reserve unit and spent those two days with her daughter instead. Good plan. The little girl had a great time with her mom and I was still fuzzy around the edges anyway, both days.

    I did manage to save the amount of money this month that I wanted to. Next month will not be as good due to Christmas buying, but that’s OK. Good reason.

    This Week’s Questions:

    1. What Is your Fall Prepping Routine?

    I don’t really have a super special fall routine. I guess I check out my warmer jackets, make certain I have gloves and fleece watch caps handy, my hoodies are washed and good to go. Otherwise, that’s about it.

    2. What are your cold and flu prevention and remedy plans post-SHTF?

    I have a good stock of normal OTC meds. Plus, I know how to make elderberry syrup and tincture if I can get the ingredients. I have a supply of tincture put away and I make syrup a couple of times a year (I give some to #1 daughter as they all like it and it works).

    3. What are you thoughts on the whole bugging out to the forest or country scenario?

    Well, for me personally, it isn’t a viable plan. I don’t have all the skills I would need first off. Second, suitable bug-out forests are not easily available in my area. Thirdly, I’m not a youngster anymore and can’t get around like I used to. I’m a city boy, born and bred. I have urban survival experience (although I could get by in the woods if suitable food supplies were available for me). I also have a sneaking suspicion I would be in a firefight sooner in the country than I would where I am in the city.

    4. What did you do to prep this week?

    See above.

    1. Zulu 3-6,

      Didn’t do much at all this week in the prepping department. I’ve been sick with a bug and pretty much out of it. Had low-grade fevers a couple of times. I did take elderberry syrup regularly and it did help to moderate the coughing. It did the same when granddaughter was sick last week. I haven’t been sick like this in years.

      Welcome to having a little one around. While we love those little ones, once they go off to preschool or school they seem to become living Petri dishes, dragging home all sorts of bugs for us to catch; but, as she gets older, that too will diminish, as it did for our little one and no doubt for your daughter back when she was that young. How soon we forget.

      I did manage to save the amount of money this month that I wanted to. Next month will not be as good due to Christmas buying, but that’s OK. Good reason.

      We heavily use a credit card for cash flow management. When purchasing Christmas or other items, we keep track of what we spend based on our income over the next several months. Items purchased after December 6 (like the new Glock I mentioned), fall into the billing cycle ending on January 6th and not due until February 2nd. In the meantime we receive 5 income distributions in December, 5 additional in January, plus a single one on Feb 1st with 4 following later in the month.
      We use other people’s money when we can and pay no interest; but, do get @ least 1% back we convert into Home Depot gift cards that purchase supplies for use around the homestead.
      It can take a few months to get this pattern running; but, once you get it going, cash flow management get really easy and the free gift cards just keep flowing.
      The key is however to not spending more than you make over the billing periods and never look at that minimum payment for any reason, only paying off the balance each month.

      1. Zulu 3-6,
        The credit card can also be useful for tax and general tracking of expenses.
        As an example for 2018
        Total $31,207.41
        0% Or2131207ganizations $130.34
        1% Other Travel $288
        16% Vehicle Services$5,088.87
        19% Merchandise $6,038.78
        19% Services $5,941.99
        2% Restaurants $638.03
        33% Health Care $10,182.96
        54 1% Entertainment $266.70
        9% Air Travel $2,631.20
        We also cashed in points for $300.00 in Home Depot gift cards at not cost.

      2. TOP,

        I use my debit card for almost everything, on-line or in-store. I too have multiple income streams that come in three times per month and my required spending (rent, utility bills, etc) is all planned. The companies I have to pay money to were really good about setting up my due dates to spread things out. The first of the month is my biggest in and also my biggest out (rent and Ex). But it all works out fine. I keep a close eye on my bank account on-line. Every day, at least once. I also keep as close to minimum amounts of money in the account as necessary.

        I do have a credit card for backup which I use a couple of times per month just so I can pay it off.

        1. Zulu 3-6,
          Like you we do have and use a debit card; but, the nice thing about the credit card over the debit is that1% back in points. The credit card also has a liability limit of $50.00 should it be hijacked or stolen, where the debit card if hijacked can allow someone to seriously drain your account.
          A gift card is a penny per point, so 5000 points gets a $50.00 card; but, on occasion, they discount things so we get that card for only 4500 points.
          You take anything you can get.

          1. TOP,

            I bank with Bank of America. Their security system is really good and recognizes weird transactions fast. I’ve never had to pay a dime back to them off a fraudulent use of my debit card, and over the years there have been a few.

          2. Zulu 3-6,
            That’s good to hear about BOA. We have our main card with Citi Bank (AT&T Universal Card, fee free for life) and one we rarely use with a local bank (Fifth Third) where we have both checking and savings. Between the two accounts we keep a large enough balance that we pay no fees and actually get a tiny bit of interest.
            The AT&T card has been misused a few times; but, like your BOA card, they have measure in place to catch things quickly.

            While we are on the subject of fraud, identity theft, etc, I have a general question for the pack.
            I keep seeing and hearing commercials for Life Lock It’s a company that monitors your account and other areas for transactions and warns you about suspicious ones, like a new loan being taken out in your name or using your credentials like the SS number.
            Does anyone here use that service and what are your opinions?

          3. that spokesman who used to give out his actual ss number on the comercials to prove how confident he was in lifelocks security had been the victim of identity theft 7 times afterwards so he stopped doing it.

            personally i am safe without it, my credit sucks beyond repair and i have a name so unique that there is nobody else on this continent with the same name, maybe a few in Ireland, almost nobody can pronounce it and its difficult to spell, Gaelic Irish name

  6. Hi Gang,

    It’s been a great week here. Today, have drizzling rain, temp’s in 50’s. Dreary, but it’s ok.

    Just picked up bed rails for setting up spare bedroom. The old wrought iron bed rails weren’t even, and so they were evened up and extended about 6″. Now I can get the room set up after a little more organizing in there.

    While I was out, I picked up an oil lamp someone locally was giving away.

    Work under the house continues tomorrow. The guy got all the supplies in place underneath, and will be coming back tomorrow to put up the posts. His wife will help with organizing in the house… Homemade Chicken Enchiladas are on the menu. Delicious.

    Sold my extra 30,000 propane heater. Meeting the guy on Monday for the swap. 10,000 BTU heater installed yesterday.

    Ordered and received new wet weather boot inserts. Put them in the car, along with a thin down blanket in case I get stuck out somewhere.

    Took a few more donation boxes to my favorite thrift store, and picked up a 1/2 a box of canning lids and rings, a metal stand for my Berkey, some spools of thread (the commercial sized ones), and one free Bible. They give away Bibles, so I always pick up one when I’m in there so I can share with someone else.

    Posted some items on FP MP. Will be posting more today.

    Planning the trip to East TN for a visit with OW and BC.

    Tara’s Questions:

    What Is your Fall Prepping Routine? Cleaning up outside the house… Hasn’t happened yet, but there are still a few more days. Maybe this coming TG weekend since I will be off Friday and Monday.

    What are your cold and flu prevention and remedy plans post-SHTF? I suppose you mean that if we had to work with what we can either grow or barter for? I have stocked up on Elderberry’s, but need to get some Elderberry bushes planted. It’s on the list.

    What are you thoughts on the whole bugging out to the forest or country scenario? I’m in the country, so I will have to stay here, as there is no place else to go.

    Prayers for the pack, for those with unspoken requests, for The President and for America.

    Happy Thanksgiving Everyone.

  7. Puppy has been so good and loving lately, he jumped up on my lap while 8 was in the recliner well with his front legs and gave me a dog hug. He also has learned to throw his toys to me. LOL He also has learned to talk. He can say momma, Dada and I want out….LOL

    Food
    Turkey and all the fixings….
    Donated to a food bank

    Water
    2 cases

    Wine
    Pinot noir
    Chinon Turkey wine

    Security
    Practiced with the G17 fast multiple target acquisition and triple tap.
    Cleaned the G17

    Medical
    Put a gunshot wound kit in my range bag.

    Gym
    Heavy cross training with a lot of heavy and speed bag
    Hand squeeze and extend weight ( good for pistol training)

    Thor’s questions:
    1. How will you cook your turkey this year?
    2.Do you think there will be arrests and/or riots after all the reports are released?
    3. Did China set off a small nuke in the China sea?
    4. Was that a warning of coming war with the US?
    5. How often do you practice with a firearm?
    6. Are you politically left or right?

    1. Thor’s questions:
      1. How will you cook your turkey this year? Won’t be, but may get a few to stock up with.

      2.Do you think there will be arrests and/or riots after all the reports are released? Hopefully lots of arrests. Doubt riots… Seems we don’t hear much about riots as much as we were.

      3. Did China set off a small nuke in the China sea? Haven’t heard anything about it. haven’t kept us this week.

      4. Was that a warning of coming war with the US? See #4

      5. How often do you practice with a firearm? Not enough…

      6. Are you politically left or right? I hate it being “us” against “them” mentality. I just want what’s right for the country, and the right seems to be one with the sanity lately.

    2. Thor’s questions:

      1. How will you cook your turkey this year?

      I won’t. Going to the Ex’s for dinner with the family and she is cooking Cuban food. Mmmm, good. 😊

      2.Do you think there will be arrests and/or riots after all the reports are released?

      What reports? The BS impeachment stuff? The House is going to impeach Trump. Sure thing. No riots then unless the leftists think the House didn’t pile on enough crap. The Senate will not convict him. Then there will be some riots, likely with arrests.

      3. Did China set off a small nuke in the China sea?

      Haven’t heard anything about this.

      4. Was that a warning of coming war with the US?

      Doubt it.

      5. How often do you practice with a firearm?

      Once or twice a month on a range. I do some dry fire drills also a couple of times a month. I’ve carried and used firearms for so long, it doesn’t take much to keep my hand and eye in.

      6. Are you politically left or right?

      Very conservative.

      1. Z36

        By reports I was referring to the IG reports on corruption by Democrats. Not the kangaroo court farce of impeachment.. LOL

        Great answer on 6

        1. Thor1,

          Ah, the IG reports could be interesting. There might be some social upset from the leftist side over those. Maybe even more when indictments come down. 🙂

      2. Zulu 3-6,

        What reports? The BS impeachment stuff? The House is going to impeach Trump. Sure thing. No riots then unless the leftists think the House didn’t pile on enough crap. The Senate will not convict him. Then there will be some riots, likely with arrests.

        I’m hoping the reports are those of IG Michael Horowitz due out on December 9th, and the widespread reports that Connecticut-based U.S. Attorney John Durham’s investigation into the origins of the probe into Russian influence in the 2016 U.S. presidential election may have evolved into a criminal investigation.
        Both have subpoena power; but, Durham can indict and charge for alleged criminal activities, so some of those in the DNC may no longer be available for the shampeachment hearings.

        1. TOP,

          Yeah, I am interested in reading the IG reports. Might be quite entertaining.

          I’ve also noticed something (or lack of something) regarding Durham’s investigation. When Mueller’s charade was in progress, the media was constantly yapping about who was marching in and out of grand jury rooms, what they might have said, and how it was going to sink Trump, ad nauseum. With Durham, you hardly hear a peep.

          Perhaps Durham is waiting for the IG stuff before really ramping up. Time will tell.

    3. Tara’s questions

      1.What Is your Fall Prepping Routine?
      2.What are your cold and flu prevention and remedy plans post-SHTF?
      3.What are you thoughts on the whole bugging out to the forest or country scenario?

      1. Clean fireplace, change or clean furnace filters, shut off water to outside, check vehicles, bring in weather sensitive plants.
      2. Medical stockpile, natural plants like garlic and Cayenne. Lysol spray.
      3. Last resort but skills and supplies are good. Looking at getting a bugout cabin soon.

    4. thors questions

      not cooking a turkey, wasn’t invited anywhere yet so probably just going to be me, i do have a package of bacon i got on sale a few weeks ago and kept outside in a cooler surounded by snow, going to pile potatos sweet potatos, cranberries, apples, turnips, etc in a baking dish and top with bacon, normally a side dish type thing i could take if invited anywhere, but for me alone its enough to last 2 or 3 days.

      2 nope, modern us citizens are too lazy and apethetic to do anything like that unless they think they can get free handouts later on for their efforts

      3 no idea

      4 probably not, china wouldn’t stand very long in a real war, maybe territorial disputes but as massive as their population is they could never invade and hold the us, and vice verca, both know it so like the cold war all it can every be is a lot of back and forth saber rattling and chest puffing.

      5 regularly, i don’t know how often

      6 i have been described as a right wing conservative hillbilly extremist but i live in ny state and in more conservative areas would be considered centrist, maybe a little right leaning centrist, and in texas i would be considered a hippy

        1. i think its in england, i don’t know of any other places that took the name but i am sure they are out there, i just don’t know any

      1. update, my neighbor who shot a deer in my orchard (with my permission) just dropped off a bunch of venison, so will probably make that root an fruit caserole i mentioned before and have it with venison.

    5. Thor’s questions:
      1. How will you cook your turkey this year?
      In the gas oven as always
      2. Do you think there will be arrests and/or riots after all the reports are released?
      Probably not; but, I hope so, since I think there were definitely crimes committed.
      3. Did China set off a small nuke in the China sea?
      No; but, they have a sizeable arsenal and a no 1st use policy if we can believe them; but, considering their agreed supposed autonomy of Hong Kong and recent actions, I don’t know that we should trust them.
      4. Was that a warning of coming war with the US?
      Was what a warning? They don’t want war; but, will bully regimes in the region if they are allowed to get away with it.
      5. How often do you practice with a firearm?
      We practice 4-5 times per week in the spring, summer, and autumn and a few times per month (weather permitting) in the winter. We also practice Airsoft handgun & rifle other times and do dry fire draw drills a few times per week. A handgun is strapped on every morning along with the belt & multitool.
      6. Are you politically left or right?
      I’m conservative and generally don’t find the Left, Right, or R & D labels to be sufficient. Ohio allows you to declare when you vote and I’ve declared both R & D, depending on who I might want to vote for or against.

    6. Thor’s questions:
      1. How will you cook your turkey this year? Deep frying a frozen turkey to coincide the the orbit of the NK satellite.
      2.Do you think there will be arrests and/or riots after all the reports are released? Reports of orbiting turkeys? Or are you taking about the stuff Congress is blathering about?
      3. Did China set off a small nuke in the China sea? No, it was a frozen turkey.
      4. Was that a warning of coming war with the US? Yep, thaw out the turkey first.
      5. How often do you practice with a firearm? More than I do with turkeys.
      6. Are you politically left or right? I’m more of the politically “leave me alone” persuasion.

          1. JP

            Definition of start (Entry 2 of 3) 1a : a sudden involuntary bodily movement or reaction woke with a start. b : a brief and sudden action or movement. c : a sudden capricious impulse or outburst. 2 : a beginning of movement, activity, or development a false start housing starts.

          2. Thor1:

            Then no, I didn’t “start” anything with them. They are all older than I am, so they went first.

        1. Top, which Turkeys is Trump going to pardon???

          I heard the turkeys names that were going to be cooked were Pelosi and AOC…LOL

          Shiff might have bee on there and Biden…,

        1. Nemoseto,

          i heard canada was planning to invade turkey and rename it chicken

          I heard it was Grease; but, it depends on how you cook the turkey to see how much grease gets included in the final solution.

    7. Thor , Having a dog that talks is always an interesting experience. My parents had a pug, He would say “Mama”, “help me”, “I want out,” “I luv you”, and once he said “Don’t go I luv you”, and once he said “Oh sh**,” when he was sure he was being manipulated… Mom and I almost fell out of our chairs! when you have him talking on command, be sure to record it… because most people will NOT believe you.
      Q’s- Baked turkey, Can hope and pray for arrests, and if Soros and other evil weevils have the money there may be riots. Just prepare for the worst and hope for the best. I put nothing past China, they are trying to “save face” in middle of a starving population… who are able to see somethings..

  8. Hi Tara, Dan, & all,
    It’s been typical autumn weather here, icy cold one day, and warm and rainy the next. We’ve had enough warm spots in the day to get some outside work done; but, have already started hibernating a bit, spending time organizing and updating inventory lists. I used to love (or at least like) winter with snowmobiling, cross country skiing and even camping; but, as I get old I more dread the cold and see why so many seniors head to point south for the warmth.

    The one common wild critter we have never seen on our survival homestead is rabbits. It is just so odd that rabbits are not wandering about, as well. I actually saw far more wild rabbits when we lived in the nearby small town than we have in and around our secluded patch of heaven.

    We used to have a ton of rabbits; but, the fox and coyote have made short work of many of them. We build brush piles for cover and will occasionally see some hiding there.

    He and his group are from the Columbus area. Their plan, if you can call it that, it to bug out to state and national parks. I groaned when I heard this.

    Groaned? Why? LOL When this group headed to those parks & forests for their ”weekend” training, they had a great time, so why not use that experience for a bug out? Since their training was more like playing in the woods and living out of their tents, vehicles, and prepared food, they think they have real experience, an attitude I’ve run into from city folks more than once; but, not often one you (a country hick) can change,

    Tara’s Questions
    1. What Is your Fall Prepping Routine?
    Raked the last of the leaves into piles, disconnected the hoses, drained them and put them away. Checked connections on the ventless propane heaters, dusted them off and made sure they work OK, leaving the pilot lights running. Check the batteries in the smoke & C.O. detectors since we’re going to start running more combustion devices.
    2. What are your cold and flu prevention and remedy plans post-SHTF?
    We have all of our inoculations, use good sanitation measures, and avoid people. Since all our influenza and pneumonia vaccinations are up to date, and we have no little ones around anymore to bring home bugs from school, we are rarely ill, so keeping away from ill people and crowds in general along with good nutrition and rest should do what we need.
    3. What are you thoughts on the whole bugging out to the forest or country scenario?
    4. What did you do to prep this week?
    As always, see below.

    TOP’s question
    1. What steps are you taking to get your homestead, vehicles, and body, ready for winter?
    2. Do you use an Airpod and have you lost yours?
    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d3abwq/this-lost-airpod-sticker-prank-is-so-chaotic
    Too much political news this week to ask anything else that’s useful.

    This week we acquired and did the following.
    1. While decluttering I found two old NunChaKu with one of them my 50+ year old original. I cut the cordage and restrung them, so they are as good as new and back with the other M.A. weapons.
    2. Also while decluttering I found two large phase change salt heating pads that still worked.
    3. Watched the documentary: ”America Before Columbus“ on the National Geographic channel. It’s worth watching and may be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-2RkTJksEc
    4. Wal-Mart
    • 12 pack peach & cherry yogurt
    • 2 half gallon orange juice
    • 15 lbs dry cat food
    • 2 boxes Boston Baked Beams
    • 2 Hickory Farms Samplers (Christmas gifts)
    5. Aldi’s
    • Slim jims (14 pack)
    • Olives
    • 4 pack (16 total) blueberry muffins
    6. Big Lots
    • 9 boxes (22 count) chocolate covered cherries (Christmas gifts)
    7. The DW & I participated in a presentation of cold weather rescue techniques with our county EMA. With winter approaching, many of our outside support activities can put members into cold weather for extended periods of time, so review on clothing, footwear, and equipment and methods to stay warm and safe were in this yearly review.
    8. Picked out a new Glock 17 in 9 mm that I will be purchasing on Pearl Harbor day. No significance to the day, only the date 12/7 when my new credit card billing cycle begins. My cycle ends on the 6th of the month, with the amount due on the 2nd of the following month, so cash flow planning means I have to wait. 
    9. Started review of an eBook for a local homesteader: ” Nigerian Dwarf Goats 201:Getting Started”

    1. tops questions

      1 nothing special, my cabin is ready year round for cold weather and i keep enough wood on hand for several years. winter is just a little colder and less work to do

      2 don’t have an airpod and don’t know what they are

      1. Nemoseto,

        1 nothing special, my cabin is ready year round for cold weather and i keep enough wood on hand for several years. winter is just a little colder and less work to do

        It’s pretty much the same here, since we make our big propane purchase in midsummer and always keep the firewood topped off.

        2 don’t have an airpod and don’t know what they are

        An Airpod is an expensive wireless Bluetooth ear bud created by Apple that can play audio and has a built-in microphone that filters out background noise, to allow making phone calls. They are small and expensive, and the link shows a 3D rendered photo that can be printed and spread around to make people think they have found, or lost one of theirs.

        1. ok, yeah, thats why i didn’t know what an airpod was, i’m cheap, only time i owned an apple product was the 2E i had in middle school (was horribly outdated even then). i am not a fan of apple, not a fan of maple computer products either (forester joke, maple family and genus is aceraceae acer, and there is a brand of computer called acer so i mess with tech people by saying maple computers)

          it never fails to surprise me how many people don’t buy or otherwise ready fuel till the last minute, i had a friend who would borrow money from me every january when he ran out of fuel then took till june to pay me back, but never listened to my advice in the fall to fill his tank when he can, or get a second backup tank. as is i estimate it will take me 8 years to use up all the firewood i have stacked around my farm, i sell the better stuff but keep the crap

    2. TOP’s question
      1. What steps are you taking to get your homestead, vehicles, and body, ready for winter?

      Homesteàd, clean fireplace, new or cleaned furnace filters, outside water shutoff and opened, plants in.

      Vehicles -fluid changes, battery charges, tire inflation The Jeep is new……

      Body is an all year thing…..Work work work

      2. Do you use an Airpod and have you lost yours? No

    3. You’re going to love your Glock 17, trust me. It’s big but not ungainly. Not pretty either. It just works when you need it to. Now you’ve gotta look for a KelTec Sub2K.

      1. Overwatch,

        You’re going to love your Glock 17, trust me. It’s big but not ungainly. Not pretty either. It just works when you need it to.

        I handled it at the store and it’s very similar in size and fit to my Ruger P89DC & P95PR; but, significantly less weight, which is the primary thing I’m looking for as a carry gun. It comes with a hard case, and 3 15-round magazines and will no doubt be easier to find a good holster. I prefer a paddle holster and while I have one for the P89, that gun is hefty even when not loaded. The rail on the P95 makes anything but a fanny pack that I already have a hard fit; but, I’m pretty sure I can make the G17 system do what I need and allow me to start carrying a 9 mm along with the .380 or the 38 special.

        Now you’ve gotta look for a KelTec Sub2K.

        I may think about it; but, I’m pretty happy with my CZ Scorpion EVO 3 carbine.

        1. TOP,

          Logistics is paramount in a “situation”. The KelTec is just one example of a carbine that accepts Glock mags. Kind of like a cowboy with a Peacemaker and a Winchester each chambered in .44-40.

        2. TOP:

          I’ve been shooting Glocks for a while now. We both have a G43X as a daily carry; I have a 19X as my “bad-times” carry and a G17 for a house gun.

          The DW had an issue chambering the Kel-Tec. Now I have a Ruger PC Carbine (comes with the equipment to use Ruger SR mags or G17’s).

          1. Just a mention. I’m getting to the point where yesterday could have been Friday or 3 years ago.

            Having a rifle and pistol that use the same magazine is a serious savings no matter what brand you choose.

          1. Thor1,
            I’m just going by what the guy in the store told me and will know more once I buy it. In either case, a few rounds don’t make much difference when you carry additional magazines and know how to do a fast tactical or emergency magazine change. My Ruger’s carry 16 or 18 and my Bersa only 6+1, so I’m adept at on the fly Mag changes.
            My 640 is a 5-shot DAO and I carry speed loaders for it, so anything we use and do will have its downsides, and we just have to learn to deal with them.
            The perfect gun for me would be a 9 or 10 mm, with a 30+ round magazine, weigh only a few ounces and fit in my coat pocket; but, physics gets in the way of all of this, so we have to compromise.

  9. What Is your Fall Prepping Routine? I live in Florida, no special prep needed. If a big freeze is forecast I will have to wrap my pipes.

    What are your cold and flu prevention and remedy plans post-SHTF? Just like now, isolation

    What are you thoughts on the whole bugging out to the forest or country scenario? Unless you have extensive experience don’t. Of course I already live on a farm in the country but three large metro areas are only 50 miles away. I am thinking banding together with family and neighbors.

    What did you do to prep this week? Homestead repairs took most of my time. My aerator system burst a water pipe and created a lake in my side yard. Good thing my wife has excellent hearing, spraying water sounds draw her attention. My new well has a submersible pump and the installers set the discharge pressure to 55 psi. My old system only put out 40 psi and an old poorly glued joint pushed apart. Of course it was in the back under my cross connects so multiple pipes had to be cut apart and union was needed on one pipe because there was no give in the pvc pipes.

    At the same time I had my wife’s Jeep disabled because I was fixing the heat in it. I would have been a simple repair for a person who was limber and had two working hands. The blend door actuator under the dash had to be replaced and it was slow work for me. I built a platform to lay on so I could reach under the steering wheel. I had to figure a way to hold it in place with only one hand and still start a screw. I remembered a mechanics trick. I took two small dry wall screws and ground the heads off and twisted them into the screw holes. I slid the actuator over the two screws and snapped the actuator arm into the door slot. I then removed the bottom screw and tightened in the proper screw and then did that to the top screw. Cost of the repair $27 for the new actuator and $20 for a right angle drill driver attachment so I could loosen and tighten the screws in the confined space.

    We still have the joy of keeping the granddaughter three days a week. She loves mechanical things and wanted desperately to help fix the Jeep. It is kind of hard to lay on your back under a car dash while a three year old is picking up and handling every part and tool she can reach. She walked under my garage with my wife and after looking around exclaimed. “Look at all of these tools!”

    Today my brother came to get his backhoe but the battery was dead. Yep, she she had got on it and tried to crank it. It has a push button starter and the key only operates the fuel shut off but that of course killed the battery. Now I will have to start hiding keys. In a few years she can be grandpa’s helper but right now we just have to keep her out of the way. I never move a car or piece of equipment unless my wife has a hold of her.

    1. Daddio7,

      My new well has a submersible pump and the installers set the discharge pressure to 55 psi. My old system only put out 40 psi and an old poorly glued joint pushed apart.

      I don’t know what we would do with only 40 psi. We run our system @ about 60 psi; but, all internal water lines are ¾ inch sweat copper using PVC only for the DWV system. This arrangement allows one of us to be in the shower while the other flushes the toilet without either freezing or boiling the showering person. The copper was a bit more expensive when we did it; but, that was 29 years ago and everything is still running well.
      We also have a 2 inch PVC pipe running out about 200 feet to the barn for an automatic watering system that also works well.

  10. Got a stove that WORKS! Moved into the house. Makes canning easier and baking possible.
    The idea of bugging out to parks or federally owned lands may end up being foolish if the government is still functioning. Those lands are patrolled by park rangers et. A place of your own makes better sense. You can make preparations now. Actually living off of the land is hard and with a group you’d have to move frequently as you’d use up what’s available quickly. Native groups moved frequently or had to be growing food.
    Company this week. Daughter, grandson and wife and 4 of the great grandkids are here for 5 days. Grandson is talking about selling California place and moving to land in Idaho. Biggest reason is taxes. Its been $5000 a year going to $15,000 this year. That’s a crazy increase.

    1. Clergylady,

      Got a stove that WORKS! Moved into the house. Makes canning easier and baking possible.

      Congratulations. We’re looking for a second gas stove for the summer kitchen. We could buy a low end model new; but, we’re hoping for something on Craig’s list or the local Habitat for Humanity Re-Store; but, would really like a new one, with a scratch and dent discount.

      1. try putting a wanted ad on craigslist for a stove, i was looking for a propane stove for a long time, whenever i saw stoves listed anywhere they were electric or natural gas (i have 20 of those grill type tanks so was looking for a stove that used lp since the same stuff is used elsewhere on the farm) got several offers right away, a few people trying to get me to buy their old electric stoves (ignoring the ad contents) and a few wanted a lot of money for fairly high end used stoves, then there were a few who had older kenmore or wirlpool brand stoves and i picked the one i liked the most and got it for $40, neighbor helped pick it up with his truck. afterwards used lp stoves showed up regularly on craigsist since people saw there was demand.

        1. nemoseto,
          I’ve actually tried that with Craig’s list; but, all I’m finding are used electric stoves @ new prices.
          We use propane (LPG) for nearly everything here and our tank farm when completely full holds about 3000 gallons. We filled in July and so far have used only 300 gallons for all of our heating, cooking, hot water, and generator operation. Last year we used only 1423 gallons total at a price of $1.09 including sales tax.
          I’m still hoping to find a gas range (stovetop & oven) by midsummer 2020.

          1. TOP,

            FB Marketplace has lots of stoves. I’ve kinda been looking myself since now I have a tank. Will work on that in January though.

      2. Thats what we did. We are building a canning kitchen so i dont mess up the upstairs kitchen, we have a small gas stove that is dual fuel(nat gas or propane), and will also serve as a secondary means of cooking.

        1. Babycatcher,

          We are building a canning kitchen so i dont mess up the upstairs kitchen, we have a small gas stove that is dual fuel(nat gas or propane), and will also serve as a secondary means of cooking.

          Your canning kitchen is what we call a summer kitchen, primarily to be used for canning or baking in the summer, when you don’t want to overly heat up the house. We have an 8’ countertop with the freeze dryer and dehydrator on it along with a 24 x 48” stainless steel work table, a work sink and some metal wire shelving for storage. We have no natural gas available so are hoping to find that elusive propane gas range on the cheap; but, can save up our free Home Depot gift cards if we really need to.

    2. doubtful, if things are bad enough for people to actually bug out then forest rangers will not be active. in the last governemnt shutdown several parks were trashed with atvs and open dumping and people cutting trees, some places like jashua tree will take millenia to recover. forest rangers are a low priority and if there is any kind of crisis they will be among the luxury expenses that get tossed aside, or like in ny they will be cycled into being cops. after i got my forestry degee i looked into being a dec forester but the state had changed it so the state foresters are required to carry handguns and have police powers, ounger guys have to often start in city parks working as suplimentl beat cops for the most part and wait till an older dec employee retires in a better location then transfer out. their police powers are somewhat restricted but they are used as suplimental cops, if they don’t get sent home in a crisis then they would be sent elsewhere to do something outside their job descriptions s foresters

      https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/1/10/18177478/joshua-tree-national-park-government-shutdown

  11. Carried in and stored 30 lbs of sugar and 20 lbs of pasta. All most filled the 5 gallon storage/shipping barrel.
    Picked up three really good scratch cooking cookbooks, and passed them on to granddaughters. Sad too many kids aren’t learning real cooking skills. I want my grandkids to learn just like I did and my kids did.

  12. Hello everyone,
    My fall routine is pretty much like most others I’ve read today, yard cleanup, tools, hoses put away etc. I think I will need todo one more blowing of the leaves that fell with this latest rain and that should just about be it for the season.

    My cold/flu prevention remedy is to stay away from sick people. Wash hands regularly, and keep fresh Tylenol Sinus (non-drowsy) tabs on hand as well as Musinex.

    I would only bug out to a forest as a last resort. I think I could survive, but don’t wanna have to give it a try.

    I am Consertative, but not narrow minded.

    Our family brings dishes to my cousins house, so she provides the Turkey (and a hen), along with dressing and fried okra. My portion of the meal has always been to bring deviled eggs, and tea (sweet and unsweet). We also bring Tupperware to pack up any leftovers, to enjoy again.

    Since Thanksgiving is next week, thought I would ask the following…

    1. What is your tradition regarding putting up a Christmas Tree? Do you do it Thanksgiving night, or that weekend? Do you decorate for yourself, for the kiddies?

    2. What is your favorite side dish with your turkey? (Mine is dressing), What is your least favorite side dish? (Rutabaga’s are mine. They taste ok, if you can stand the smell as they are cooking)

    3. How many of you have a favorite/traditional movie you watch at Thanksgiving? I love Trains, Planes and Automobiles.

    Have a great Thanksgiving fellow preppers…….

    1. Jean,

      I would only bug out to a forest as a last resort. I think I could survive, but don’t wanna have to give it a try.

      1. What is your tradition regarding putting up a Christmas Tree? Do you do it Thanksgiving night, or that weekend? Do you decorate for yourself, for the kiddies?
      It’s generally done the week before Christmas; but, it’s only a little artificial tree that the DW sets up and decorates with lights and ornaments.. 20+ years ago we bought live balled trees and then planted them outside. They are still alive so we’ll sometimes toss a few strings of lights on them.
      2. What is your favorite side dish with your turkey? (Mine is dressing), What is your least favorite side dish? (Rutabaga’s are mine. They taste ok, if you can stand the smell as they are cooking)
      I like almost everything; but, especially the sweet potatoes that one of the tribe brings. It has enough nuts, brown sugar, and maple syrup in it to mostly hide the potatoes. No one brings anything as disgusting as Rutabaga’s and I cannot think of anything I don’t like.
      3. How many of you have a favorite/traditional movie you watch at Thanksgiving? I love Trains, Planes and Automobiles.
      With hallmark channel you have a good selection. The DW likes “Elf” or the “Grinch”; but, I still kind of like “It’s a Wonderful Life”

    2. Jean,

      1. What is your tradition regarding putting up a Christmas Tree? Do you do it Thanksgiving night, or that weekend? Do you decorate for yourself, for the kiddies? Been alone so long, that I don’t put up a tree… I did decorate the front porch with Christmas scenes over the years. One time, I had 3 deer made out of cedar, and the smaller one, I had someone from work drill a hole in the nose to make Rudolph. I had forest trees, sled, and even put lights down under plastic bubble wrap, then a blanket of snow. Then snow flake lights hanging from the ceiling. It was absolutely beautiful. It made me very happy to see it lit up driving up the driveway on the way home from work as I had the lights come on at dusk.

      2. What is your favorite side dish with your turkey? (Mine is dressing), What is your least favorite side dish? (Rutabaga’s are mine. They taste ok, if you can stand the smell as they are cooking) I love sweet potatoes and my mom’s giblet gravy. I don’t like dressing (or stuffing) depending on what you call it.

      3. How many of you have a favorite/traditional movie you watch at Thanksgiving? I love Trains, Planes and Automobiles. I LOVE the Hallmark channel. My favorite Hallmark Christmas movie is “The Christmas Card”.

    3. jeans questions

      1 I don’t celebrate Christmas, i barelly even do anything for thanksgiving

      2. i have no specific favorates, and probably won’t evenhave turkey this year

      3 no specifics, and wat i do thanksgiving will depend on many factors, if the weather is good i will probably be out working on my farm, just taking lunch now from first light till noon (about 5 an a half hours) i was piling branches and firewood to get cleaned u what was cut when the snow was on the ground, then spring work will be much faster and i can burn the branches anytime before then and not have stuff in the way to cut more. if the weather stinks i will probably stay inside alone, there is a slim possibility one of my friends may invite me over but the chances are only around 10% probability. never paid attention to holidays, i was always the guy who volunteered to work them when i had a job where they had peole work them.

  13. Hello Tribe!

    Question1. Usual winterization of water tanks, insulation, vehicle, plants secured, wood, hay, grains and winter attire.
    Question 2.
    OTC cold and flu stocked, elderberry stored dried and 6 pints of tincture made, fish med antibiotics stocked, plus : garlic, onions, horseradish, jalapenos and ginger plus apple cider vinegar, with mother.
    Question 3. Not sure national parks will not be monitored by gov. employees or UN. Best quess. If not for that, maybe not a bad idea.
    This week, dug out around chicken house, leveled it and put treated 4x6x8′ around base to slow predators from digging under walls. Purchased extra turkeys, while on sale (.33/#,) and one stockpot smelled so good, when coming in from evening chores, turkey, parsley, sage and onions in rich broth. Will can in quarts when it cools. This the season to can turkey. My 8 walking around breathed a sigh of relief- turkeys rejoicing! Moved hen with 3 month old chicks into 6′ cage. Still to young to turn out as hawks fly overhead all day here. Brought in mums getting ready to bloom, to decorate the house. Dug rosemary, thyme, geraniums and they now reside in bedroom windows. Rearranged some supplies, I’ll never be organized, but everyone can get over that. Too much work here.
    Reasons to give thanks: God loves me and forgives me no matter how bad I mess up. Prepping this year I am very greatful for planting two small orchards of apple, plum, peach and mulberry trees. Built 3 grape arbors, planted a 10 x 25′ herb garden, built 16′ greenhouse, added more goats, rabbits and chickens. I am very greatful. Reasons to give thanks.
    Happy Thanksgiving to all!!!

  14. I went through our canned good stores last weekend and found several items that were past their best-buy dates, although not overly so — maybe 3 to 6 months. So, although I usually cook “from fresh,” we’ve spent the past week eating canned-good meals– beef stew (doctored with red wine, Worcestershire, and some dried onions), chili (topped with sour cream, grated cheese, and crumbled Fritos), the canned smoked ham went into a slow cooker pea soup with carrots, celery and onions, and chicken stock, the canned beef into tacos, tonight I’m cooking a chicken noodle casserole based off a meal I usually cook with chicken breasts and bacon — sauce of cream of celery soup, sour cream, a dollop of sherry, some frozen peas, and a topping of bacon bits. A couple of nights ago I decided I was tired of eating canned stuff, so I brought home pizzas from the pizza joint near my office. But, as I said to hubby, we have to test our preps, to make sure we could live off them. Not what I’d call gourmet, but it kept us full, we survived, and no ill gastro effects (at least on my side). I seriously wonder if we would “enjoy” eating this stuff if I couldn’t add in my enhancements. I doubt Fritos would be available in a SHTF situation. Something to think about. But then… my father told the story about growing up in the Depression, when he and his father were alone on Thanskgiving, and all there was to eat in the house were one onion and one slice of bread. “But we survived.”

    1. SuzyToo:

      What you described is what I was talking about with some people that want to start storing food (finally). I gave them a suggested started list, but emphasized how “boring” it was going to be. Sugar, salt, spices, sauces, and gravies are something I list only in general terms, be “highly recommend”.

      What you talked about “doctoring” your canned foods is the reason for this. I sure hope they listen.

      Thanks for posting what you did.

      1. JP,

        What you talked about “doctoring” your canned foods is the reason for this. I sure hope they listen.

        When it comes to food, I don’t know if we’re just simple folkd or boring folks.
        Sweeteners like brown sugar, honey, and maple syrup along with garlic and onions is usually about all we use to ”spice up” our foods.
        A flour, bread or cracker crumb coating with an egg wash usually makes things like pork chops or chicken pieces quite tasty.
        Some things like pasta are good with a tomato base or just some oils & cheese, like parmesan, Romano, or cheddar.

    2. from 2001 till 2007 i had a very bad fiscal situation but often got free canned goods, expired or missing labels, then got a bucket of chillie powder from a resteraunt supply on clearence, and would make mystery ingredient chillie, thats where i would dump a unch of cans into a big pot and add chillie powder till that was all i could taste, it was not good but it was not toxic. of course back ten i wwould go days with just eating plain rice or hard tack (or my own modification to only bake it part way so it was still somewhat pliable).

      best by dates on cans doesn’t mean much, after that they just cannot guaantee the flavor to be at its best and there is some vitamin loss, but as long as the can is still sealed then the contents are still safe to eat, thats what canning is, commercial canning is more coplicated than home canning but works the same, heat contents till they are sterile then seal the container to prevent anything from getting in. as long as the seal isn[t broken then whatever was canned should last indefnatly, no accounting for flavor though.

      i just got some of those canned smoked hams over last weekend, ollar general had them down to $2 each for the 1lbcans, 5 year shelf life on their best before dates, usuallythey were $4 each, i bought the entire supply they had left on the shelf (3 day sale, walked 7 miles to get there and packed it home), may not be the greatest meat source but where else is meat available for $2 a lb that doesn’t require cleaning?

  15. Starting with the questions.
    1. My fall Prepping is finished, for the year I’m on to winter Prepping.

    2. Cold and flu, plenty of boxes of tissues, Elderberry tinctures, and supply’s for the Elderberry cough syrup, lots of different teas.

    3. On bugging out unless it was at my parents, they have a forest in their property I have nothing I couldn’t even get started I’d never make it 🙂

    I’m keeping a running notebook on thing’s I’m low on or out of all together. I’ve got all my Christmas decor back home I’ve started cleaning the house and dusting I’ve started to put my fall decor away for another year. All my herbs are doing great on the sunny afternoons, I put plants out for a couple of hours, we in the high 50’s but night time in the low 30’s, so I cut the dead flowers and put away all my hanging baskets, for the winter. Trimned tree’s, and bushes, I would still like to mow one more time but,,, I’m not going to. Made monster cookies, I had to freeze some hubby, and the kid’s were eating them up fast next batch I’ll make them with raisin, and nuts more of a breakfast cookie, no M &M s… Finding good deals on cat food, and I bought several jars of Vitamins, for the whole family. I bought 2 cartons of K cups, and found a older but better quality K cup machine, the one we had is 4 year’s old and breaking down I didn’t want to spend $200.00 on a new machine, we found one at a quality second hand store for $25.00 so far it’s doing fine. I’m really in a standing pattern getting a few things here and there but not needing to go out and buy a lot of food. I’m almost done with the inside freezer food, I’ll be starting on the outside freezer, but first the Turkey:) Have a great week and a blessed Thanksgiving;) cheers.

  16. Hi all ,,,
    Question 1 preparing is the way we live , most things preparing just normal every day stuff ,

    #2we stay out town ,,was in town picking up supplys last week ,will try to not go back till after the first of the year ,because of health issues I can not take any chances ,

    #3 we will stay put for most things ,the ranch is selfcontained. Most of the neighbors are like thinkers that fly that yellow flag with the snake , there some new folks we don’t know yet ,but for the most part have know them 25-30 years , most are loggers or woods people or farmers of some sort ,folks to run the river with ,,folks that come a running when there is trouble, folks that wave on the road out to the highway , folks that mind there own business yet will lend a hand ,do we like each other? Some not so much , but still better than the city by a long shot

    Looks like seed potatoes are going to be short this year ,if the farm can’t get them we can’t grow them,my extended family grows hundreds of tons in a normal year ,starting to look bad for 2020.
    Will give more details when I can ,
    For the last two years not a thing has been normal
    Might want to put in sugar , we did ,there is a chance of a real problem with all classes of meat
    I expect swine fever to come here , we are just a plane ride away,,

    A thought To ponder ,,,,
    If ,before undertaking some action , you must obtain the permission of society, you are not free ,,
    Whether such is granted to you or not,,only a slave acts on permission,,,permission is not a right
    “RAND” atlas shrugged,,,

    Tea and chocolate

    1. OH, Have you hear anything of the research being done..on the swine flu.. that some wild pigs have a natural resistance? ‘Nother frequent contact said she had heard a little…”whisper”, but not enough to verify.

  17. TOP,,,,
    Yes, Meijer had turkeys .33/#. First day of sale there was no limit on purchases, day 2 it was one per customer, so employees told me. Glad I went day one.
    Added more sugar to stores and 8 more bags of potatoes too, if seed potatoes are not fourth coming this spring, most of you know to cut up potatoes in stock, at your homes and plant what you have not what you wish you had.
    Some how, country folks can survive! Sounds like a country song.

  18. Re Thanksgiving:

    I was reading an article in the Orlando Sentinel that the first Thanksgiving celebration in the New World actually took place in St Augustine (now in Florida, of course) involving Spanish soldiers and some Native American guests. The date was September 8, 1565. The Thanksgiving most of us celebrate was in 1621 in Plymouth Colony.

    Historians believe that the meal consisted mostly of simple Spanish dishes and MIGHT have had turkey as well since they were wild in Florida then and the Spaniards were known to hunt and eat them periodically.

    So, I guess I will be having a more accurate Thanksgiving supper when I eat Spanish food at my Ex’s house. 🙂

  19. Hi to all,
    Did not get to read lasts weeks posts , fully until this week. Kept getting interrupted or redirected.
    Someone asked what… can be done for preserving health in the middle of the bacteria soup we all live in and are exposed to….there were several good things mentioned like washing hands, antibacterial wipes,.., washing down buggys we use when going to stores…wearing face masks,..
    There is another thing we can use .. a diffuser with essential oils specifically run Frankincense and myrrh… in the sitting area , and in bedroom. Several Veterinarian offices are using this successfully to avoid getting viral illnesses from their pet parents bringing in sick animals.

    My fall preps are temp dependent , have to wait until nightime temps drop and that happened a few weeks ago. I put up fiberglass sheets to the inner wall of hen house that is primarily wire, and change out all flooring… for clean, and deeper flooring, since door is rarely opened i put as much extra sawdust as possible inside he door and under the nest boxes.. so the ladies have a place they can get a good dust bath without going out in bad weather.. when their space is more cramped than the free range they have become accustomed to. They also have a additional placed with corn.., not filled but put out daily in amounts according to temperatures. if nigh-time temps above 45 or so, I just throw out a few handfuls., if low is to be 15-20 i give them what they will eat.along with oyster shell., and put up 2 extra fiberglass panels to block wind-ad any driving rain-depending on wind direction. If projected lows go to zero to 5 range i have other things to be done. a red light will be added..Does not usually get that cold here, maybe for 3 days.

    I also have done a clean out on the raised garden beds and used manures for making more compost piles and replenishing nutrients/feeding the earthworms. There are leaves to be put in compost piles, not doing it in the rain .will find a sun shiney day.for that. I can do enough to hurt myself without doing something outside in the rain… Winter preps are additional hanging of tarps around the outside section of rabbitry., changing the oil and filters in the car… putting up the garden hose before deep freeze and we go ahead and add extra fresh hay to nestboxes…
    I did manage to pull a muscle in my shoulder once again., even while trying to be careful.
    .. We had a seal blow out on the canner and replaced it , then used it to can some potatoes,butternut , acorn , and turban squash that had to be secured. Saved the sprouts off the potatoes i rescued. are healing now. will put in the raised bed appointed for them during a warm up. and bury them deep. will protect those beds with deeper mulch.. possibly shredded leaves? I was gifted several pounds of assorted veggies and those are secured.via dehydration.
    I was doing a pantry check and found some mixed fruit that had gone bad. on the to do list this next couple of weeks is to take much of the fruit and change its form for deep storage. some of the pineapple will be used with orange juice to make orange pineapple jam.. some will be dehydrated.. Entire caned fruits will be replaced…Have a variety of tomato products to do the same with. purchased in bigger cans than we normally use for that purpose.. will drain those and can the juice separately. Dehydrator will be getting a work out.
    We held our first rabbit freezer camp this week. We had 8 volunteers… so yes we have the ability to process our own meat and have added rabbits this year..8=28 lbs of processed meats.. should net about 3 meals per rabbit.
    ..Our Chicken flock is young , these just turned one in Sept.. I was told they should begin trying to set and be able to sometime in the second year. I do have an incubator and have plans to replace the thermostat on it for a back up plan. Adding turkeys could be a possibility…next year. The meat from pasture raised birds is much better than the commercially raised ones.
    Since the wasting disease is known to be in the deer in this county and several others in our area, wild meats are off our menu. Will not risk our family’s health for a meat we do not tolerate well.
    . There are other possibilities to add, just taking this one step at a time infrastructure still in progress. Plans to plant many more veggies that can be replacements for things we usually purchase. have 3 new varieties of squash that will be added this coming year. in addition.to what we planted his fall.three of these are winter keepers. and will need to be separated for seed purity. Will change variety of Okra to a short stubby one… Have more changes to be made…for ease and productivity.

    Bugging out without a destination and known reception makes one a refugee. No plans to leave our location unless absolutely necessary-for imminent danger. (examples fire/flood.)
    We do go for supplies once a month usually.
    .. Staying in as much as possible, for the flu season , we have a selection of herbals we use for symptoms-depending on the set we are trying to address.If we are sick we stay home…if in a time of high contagion-we stay home..

    Christmas. WE memorialize Christs death each First Day, but do not have specific date of birth.So do not celebrate Christmas as a religious holiday as most do.
    Do not have any plans for a tree or decorations., no kids, no grandchildren will be to this house..pointless busy work..
    WE use the holiday season.. with several gatherings at different places from early in month thru the first of the year) for increased family time and visits..We exchange token gifts only with family members physically close.( others we send gift card as we are able… usually around birthdays.). gifts will be prepper leaning,.. items to add to their emergency stash,.( Knives,candles, matches, long term storage items, filters.).. some will be handmade others – purchased because of their necessity… .

    Hang in there folks this is gonna get real.
    Those who think they can do little to prep can do something One has to change their way of thinking. Ask yourself.. What can i cut from this budget? What can i delay as a purchase ,to reallocate that amount of funds, for preps of some thing that will be absolutely necessary later. ? Sometimes it involves planning a month or two in advance to gain ability. Try purchasing 2 packs of 3 items you use regularly. Next time you would normally purchase… Take those funds, for those items and apply it to your prepping budget.. Make a game of saving money…( for those in city) keep the money from coffee purchased at quick market, make it at home, or for the daily cola, pack your lunch for work. take ice/tea or water from home. and rack up savings…Keep up with what you have saved.
    ….. buy a dozen #spaghetti,+ spaghetti sauce. get as much variety as you will eat) rotini, elbows, small pasta shells,some kind of jarred cheese sauce, if you can eat these foods. Next time get 6# hamburger,( crumble and dehydrate) and mushrooms and dehydrate them.to have a flavor change.. This purchase should give you several variations..The Hamburger can be used for flavor,..6 lbs , dehydrated will shrink to 1.5-2 lbs depending on fat content. (be sure to rinse in hot water before dehydrating, but after browning…It will reconstitute at 1 part of Ground beef will make 3 parts of measure…ie.. 1/3 cup +enough water to reconstitute, will make about one cup… ) Other options are meat stocks, vegetable stocks, and or bullions…
    . Some canned chicken…mayo and sweet relish will make a chicken salad sandwich.. add powdered onion, chicken seasoning will change the flavor… These are two options to get you started and examples of how you can begin with a very limited budget.
    Take care. Keep on keeping on. Continue to assess what you can do to mitigate any changes you can not control preemptively.

    1. Anonamo Also,

      washing down buggys we use when going to stores

      When you mention buggies I assume you mean shopping carts and this is actually rather easy to do around here, since Wal-Mart, Kroger, and Meier’s have wipes in a container in the cart area.

      There is another thing we can use .. a diffuser with essential oils specifically run Frankincense and myrrh… in the sitting area , and in bedroom. Several Veterinarian offices are using this successfully to avoid getting viral illnesses from their pet parents bringing in sick animals.

      We cannot do this and have thankfully not found anyplace locally that has this practice, since nearly all of these fragrances cause the DW to have asthma like attacks. When shopping she even has to avoid the aisles that have the scented candles and we’ve been around a few ladies whose perfume made us vacate the area. The very thought of aroma therapy makes her wince.

      Since the wasting disease is known to be in the deer in this county and several others in our area, wild meats are off our menu. Will not risk our family’s health for a meat we do not tolerate well.

      We don’t have CWD here; but, it’s good to find someone else who admits to not really liking venison. I’ve hunted and bagged deer in the past; but, I’m not really thrilled with the meat as much as the comradery at deer camp. LOL
      People think of it as ”free”; but, that’s only if you don’t count the expense of travel, licenses, permits, etc., and even when I bag one on my own land where I don’t have those expenses, sitting out in the cold and wet doesn’t have the appeal it once had to a younger guy.

      Bugging out without a destination and known reception makes one a refugee. No plans to leave our location unless absolutely necessary-for imminent danger. (examples fire/flood.)

      Those are my thoughts also and our only danger would be a tornado where you don’t get much advance notice anyway.

      Staying in as much as possible, for the flu season , we have a selection of herbals we use for symptoms-depending on the set we are trying to address.If we are sick we stay home…if in a time of high contagion-we stay home..

      We don’t use the herbals; but, find that with all of our vaccinations, proper nutrition and sanitation, and staying away from the contagion, we keep rather healthy. Making infrequent trips to population centers like you do, also helps here.

      Do not have any plans for a tree or decorations., no kids, no grandchildren will be to this house..pointless busy work.

      I agree; but, the DW still puts up the tree & decorates it and then takes it back down with little or no help from me, so if it makes her happy…..

      WE use the holiday season.. with several gatherings at different places from early in month thru the first of the year) for increased family time and visits..We exchange token gifts only with family members physically close.

      We do pretty much the same, with one boy an hour’s south and the other boy and his wife 2 hours north, so this gives us all the excuse to make the trip and have a meal and some time together in otherwise very busy schedules.

      Hang in there folks this is gonna get real.

      I guess I don’t see it that way, other than as an observer; but, perhaps that’s part of living rural and remote, watching most of the bad things happening others places and unlikely to come here.

      What can i delay as a purchase ,to reallocate that amount of funds, for preps of some thing that will be absolutely necessary later. ? Sometimes it involves planning a month or two in advance to gain ability.

      Based on knowing what and when our income hits, we do the same thing; but, leverage free money from a credit card much for this. An item charged today 11/25/19 will end up on the billing cycle closing on 12/6/19, and come due on 1/2/2020. This means income during both November & December will be in the bank before the amount (always paid in full) comes due. Holding off the purchase until December 7th moves that amount due out until 2/2/2020 with 5 additional deposits hitting the bank. However you do it (we use a spreadsheet), having a big picture of your budget can be very enlightening and useful.

      for those in city) keep the money from coffee purchased at quick market, make it at home

      I don’t drink coffee; but, the DW occasionally will get a coffee @ MacDonald’s; but, otherwise carries an insulated mug with her from home, We have both Starbucks & Tim Horton’s and have only been in Tims once or twice.

      buy a dozen #spaghetti,+ spaghetti sauce. get as much variety as you will eat) rotini, elbows, small pasta shells,some kind of jarred cheese sauce, if you can eat these foods.

      We always have various pasta’s on hand, kept in one of the freezers or a #10 can with O2 absorbers for long term. Pasta of some type with a tomato based sauce or just oil and cheese makes a good part of a meal, all from stored supplies.

      Next time get 6# hamburger,( crumble and dehydrate) and mushrooms and dehydrate them.to have a flavor change..

      We don’t bother with dehydrating the beef since; we still have a few hundred pounds in the chest freezer. Once we’ll run out of ground beef, in a few years, we simply grind up other cuts, since it all cost us the same $2.80 per pound when purchased as half a steer.
      Mushrooms are purchased mostly in cans, since when added to other foods, they are as good as fresh and easier to handle.

      Some canned chicken…mayo and sweet relish will make a chicken salad sandwich

      We use miracle whip instead of mayo for that; but, you can also use tuna, ham, or chopped hard boiled eggs for a tasty sandwich filler.

      Take care. Keep on keeping on. Continue to assess what you can do to mitigate any changes you can not control preemptively.

      We’ve been doing that very thing for the past 40 years, and see no reason to stop now.

      1. TOP, I thought I was allergic to the world too, and there are enough things i am truly allergic to.. ragweed, roses, honeysuckle are three. It turns out most of the scents i am allergic to are the chemical, artificial ones manufactured and placed in room fresheners, deodorants,and cleaning compounds. I can actually use the citrus and Vanilla only in these.They can not be mixed with another scent.
        The esssential oils , like peppermint, esp. and spearmint can actually decrease asthma episodes in SOME people..I have several people near me who used to be on allergy and asthma meds several times daily now just inhale peppermint for an episode of as she calls it ” lungs tightening up”. OF course it is an individual thing. I can’t use the thrive blends( a common blend used as anti-infective.) because they use eucalyptus. and i am allergic to that as well. Thyme, ( used for sinus issues as inhaled.) rosemary, lavendar, oregano… scents that one likes in cooking, is where i began adding mine, and trying small amounts.. Generally if one likes the scent..and it is a natural extract, good chance of tolerance.
        DH does not like sugar in condiments. esp Mayo. it is a personal preference thing.
        We use all kinds of meats to make meat salads as well.
        We never buy coffee at the speciality stores, and rarely buy a fountain drink, or a meal we do not cook. We live tight so we can prep- while others take vacations, to the coast or to the mountains.. BECause we do not do these things… we are able to have a buffer for hard economic times.
        Banks over this nation and others are failing. they are propped up by the printing of junk paper. Every time they do more QE printing our cash has less value. and will purchase less… KEEP those BLINDERS on. WE Do not look down that train track….and we will not see the oncoming train.
        I was not posting directly to you,..ie. i know you know these hacks but more for the newer people who may be reading but not commenting..for the economically challenged who need ideas to begin their preparedness journey. Most of us have not been doing this 40 years, even tho our parents and Grandparents did…I knew more than most when i began, but have still learned plenty.. and still making steps to improve all areas..
        Many people in rural areas have an income of 750 per month.It takes no spreadsheet to show where money goes. it is gone by the end of one week… as the monthly bills are paid and the grocery budget is what is left after medications. There are no credit cards and no “more income”.. They have lived physically hard lives and have been rode hard and put up wet., no retirement system was available to them except for the federal one….Most have a medication cost of 100-350$, power about 250$-350$ Grocery budgets may be as much as 75$ per MONTH. I know of a few who have 50$ Monthly grocery budgets. TRY that .Not FOR prepping, but for a grocery budget.
        Cooked and dehydrated beef are shelf stable when stored properly and can easily be done at home. If we are i n a crisis, and it is not safe to start a fire, ( for what ever reason), it can be eaten dry with plenty water… or soaked and eaten without further cooking. .. try that from the freezer stored meat. Of course you have posted you have a site with a big Genny… not everyone has that advantage. CUT ME some slack!

        1. Almost There,

          Coming to a deer near you! It’s only a matter of time

          I don’t think so, because our Division of Wildlife Biologists have been working on this for a decade or more, and as the article states, testing and quarantine are an ongoing task.
          CWD has been detected in these states other than Ohio; but, none in the Ohio wild population as of yet:
          1. Arkansas Detected: Oct 2015
          2. Minnesota First Detected: Aug 2002
          3. Mississippi Detected: February 2018
          4. Missouri Detected: Feb 2010
          5. Nebraska Detected: Jul 1999
          6. North Dakota Detected: Mar 2010
          7. Tennessee Detected: December 2018
          It is here; but, at least for now only in captive animals and under control.

          1. TOP,

            We’ll look Ohio stats next year. TN has done the same testing and quarantining, but it still comes. It is impossible to control.

          2. Almost There,
            It is hard to control once in the wild; but, so far we’re only seeing it in captive deer. Minnesota, Missouri, Mississippi, Nebraska, and North Dakota are far away and Tennessee like Kentucky has a river in the way so we shall see.

          3. CWD has been detected in Pennsylvania in both penned and free-ranging animals.

            Pennsylvania Game Commission site

            pga.pa.gov accessed 12/02/2019

            “Where has CWD been found in Pennsylvania?
            In Pennsylvania, Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) has been detected in four Disease Management Areas (DMAs): DMA 1 on a captive deer farm in Adams County during 2012 (DMA 1 has since been eliminated); DMA 2 in multiple free-ranging deer in Bedford, Blair, Cambria, and Fulton counties during 2012, and captive deer farms in Bedford, Franklin, and Fulton counties during 2017; DMA 3 in two captive deer farms in Jefferson County during 2014 and a free-ranging deer in Clearfield County during 2017. DMA 4 in a captive deer at a facility in Lancaster County during 2018. View a map of positive cases by township (PDF). In addition, CWD has been detected in wild or captive deer and/or elk in many other states and provinces.”

  20. It’s funny you mention the lack of wild rabbits in your area, Tara. I asked DSIL and his friend about pheasant, and they say they are rare in their area due to overhunting in the past.(and I love me some pheasant, LOL!) Makes one wonder about the coyote population and how it is is impacting wildlfe too. IDK if they hunt rabbit much, never asked, but now I am curious. They are sort of in your neck of the woods, so I am curious to see the comparisons.

    And to all of The Pack, I apologize, I have been lurking, not responding much, one of those ‘life gets in the way’ situations….But you all are in my thoughts and prayers every day!

  21. OK, this is not really what I did this week, but, wanted to feel everyone out (out not up) on an offer I just got in the mail. Wise Food Storage is having a pre-Black Friday sale on their 9 buckets of emergency food supply dehydrated food. Each bucket is said to contain 170 servings of breakfast, dinner, and supper for a total of 1530 servings. Their usual price on this is about $2519.91 but if you buy it today you can get it for $755.98.

    I tried some Wise Food about 7 or 8 years ago when a local LDS fellow was selling it out of his house and he gave samples of some of the fruits and stuff and it was pretty good. I didn’t buy anything from him as I thought it was some what pricey and preferred Mountain House stuff (also pretty pricey) So, I don’t have a “what does it taste like” to base it on.

    Anyone have any feelings on this stuff? Supposed to last for 25 years? Appreciate any input.

    1. Cliff:

      I have tried and have put up some WISE food, mostly fruits and entrees. Many people have found them to be salty. I didn’t think so, but there it is.

      I try to stay away from bucket selections due to cost; I never get ones that include breakfast. And their idea of a serving is small. For example most companies consider one envelope of instant oatmeal a serving. As a rule of thumb, I take their “number of days” number can cut it in half. So, a 30 day for one bucket, means that the DW and I would need 4 for a month.

      One of the local grocery stores would carry WISE entrees and fruit, so I would get some when they were on sale or “blue-hair” Thursday discount. I get some Mountain House from Wal-Mart and a sporting goods store (it is actually cheaper than Wal-Mart and I get a GI discount).

      Bottom line is I try to keep a month’s worth of freeze dried meals for the 2 of us on hand so that for the first 30 days of a sever, no-services available, event we do not have to cook, just boil water. I feel it would keep us “hidden” during a very stressful time.

    2. Cliff,

      I almost exclusively store Mountain House freeze dried foods. As long as the pouch or can is unopened, the contents should be good for at least 25 years.

      I had an entree from Wise a long time ago and can’t remember anything particularly bad or good about it.

      JP is correct in that all freeze dried food pouches are just good enough for one serving, if that, especially someone active. They may say two-servings, but unless you’re feeding little kids, forget that.

      As JP also mentioned, I think the bucket prices are a bit overmuch. I buy Mountain House from either Amazon or the company itself when having a sale. I also buy them by the pouch, usually about six per month. However, the sale price Wise is offering doesn’t seem to be too bad.

      My plan with freeze dried foods is to not use them as my primary food source. My thought is to have a pouch a couple of times per week as a change of pace sort of thing. Right now I have almost a ten-month supply using that method, over two-months if I ate one per day.

    3. Cliff,

      9 buckets of emergency food supply dehydrated food. Each bucket is said to contain 170 servings of breakfast, dinner, and supper for a total of 1530 servings. Their usual price on this is about $2519.91 but if you buy it today you can get it for $755.98

      The math is easy, since 9 * 170 = 1530 / $755.98 = $2.02 per serving, which is not too bad for freeze dried food. I have tried some of their smaller offerings and find that some of it is a bit salty; but, some of it also contains TVP (Textured Vegetable Protein) made from soy.
      Is there tax or shipping?
      If you look around the net, I suspect you can find the contents of each bucket and then the contents of each meal, and evaluate their use for your personal situation & taste. Personally I don’t like TVP.
      If you don’t mind the salt, I find that the Bear Creek soup mixes are also pretty good as entrees. Each one takes about 2 quarts of water to prepare.
      I’ve purchased some 42 serving buckets in the past from woot.com for around $30.00; but, don’t recall if I sent you the offer. Most of my FD foods that I didn’t make myself are purchased in smaller quantities over time, like these.
      If they have it a again, I’ll send it along. I think Zulu may have tried one of those.

      1. TOP

        They offer free shipping and you can get a $10 bonus reward if you opt in for having them send you text offers to your phone. I don’t see anything about tax so far.

        1. Cliff,

          From what I recall from Wise is that the meal is about 30% to 40% salt for preserving. I also think that when I checked the ingredients, it was meat “flavored” and I want real meat. You can read up on the ingredients to see if it’s something you would want. I prefer Augason, Legacy and Mountain House, Emergency Essentials, and also Thrive (which is ordered thru a consultant or Food Storage Made Easy and those girls if you don’t know where to find a consultant.

          The price seems good, but if it’s not something I was sure about, I wouldn’t buy. IMHO.

          1. Thanks for all the good input. I went back to the site and read that each packet is 4 servings but that’s not a full size serving as far as I am concerned. I was also concerned about their liberal use of TVP. Before Y2K I invested in quite a bit of ground beef flavored TVP after reading the hype that said you couldn’t tell it from meat. I’m here to say that yes I can and it’s a weak substitute. Given that and the liberal amount of salt in the meals I’m going to give it a pass.

            I had quite a bit of Auguson and Mountain House put up and I think if I’m going to go ahead and invest 700 or so dollars I’ll do it with those companies.

            Thanks again.
            Happy Thanksgiving!
            Cliff

  22. 1) Fall general care:
    Most years trying to make sure all the tools are put up in the garage and not left outside. This year beside general clean up, used the leaf blower to herd leaves that have been down for a few years. Got most of the leaves moved before it started a mixture of rain & snow.

    2) Illness prevention:
    Care my own Lysol wipes to clean any carts that I have to touch & clean my hands after exiting the store. It is my back up to know that I have left germs behind as dh can not afford to become ill. I also carry face mask that looks like a surgeon’s mask to use if people are coughing or sneezing around me while in a store.

    3)Bugging out to a forest:
    Well,,, that is what most who have not given it a lot of thought would propose. Not the smartest of choices on their part as there are farmers/ranchers who live out there and would not appreciate interlopers on their land & the possibility of them harvesting their livestock.

    4) Prepping:
    We had the gas fireplace put back into working order as our back up heating source in the house.

    The down pouts are plugged with leaves, friend removed what they could get out from the roof opening. That means I will be doing a bit of out of the box jerry rigging to get the leaves out. When they installed the down spouts they went down quite close to the ground then the cement guys put the concrete almost to the bottom of the drains with little room to spare so I installed a tubing for the water to drain under the walk ways. Next project will be cutting the down pouts in the proper area so I can raise them up away from the rubber boots & concrete walk way. Another day here on the mountain! My honey do list is getting longer, not shorter-dahh nang!!

    Yes, as usual late for posting but when you are the chef of all the jobs. Time is a luxury around this household.

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